The Convoluted Case of Spinning Things: CarToon Spin v Cosmic Rewind

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[00:00:46] Welcome to the Supreme Resort, Land v. World, a podcast about Disneyland and Walt Disney World and which is the Supreme Resort. Each episode we will discuss and explore each resort ride by ride, land by land, park by park to determine which is better. I'm your host Jimmy and thank you for joining me on this quest to help the greater good of humanity answer this long elusive question which is better Disneyland or Walt Disney World. Joining me as always is Dan. Dan. Hey, I'm Dan.

[00:01:15] I have a feeling that this episode is going to be brought to us by Spectrum Cable. That's right, Spectrum Cable for those people who miss attaching your phone cord to your computer. Great and thank you for our sponsors. And Eric is also with us. Hi, Eric. Yes, I am also here. And I can't think of any witty retort that would go along with Dan right now.

[00:01:38] Every episode I think about I should have some kind of thing like some little funny thing majig and you know, we just never do like Jim and Len have a whole thing always prepared. And because Len always has some kind of no. So Jim always has some kind of like anecdote about the way he's introduced and always felt very improv, but it's clearly planned ahead. Oh, yeah, those are those are scripted. Yeah. I mean, they're great.

[00:02:05] And then like the PTR boys always have a, you know, a man and something related to the episode. So like in this case, it would be like a man who feels dizzy just by getting out of bed or something spinning. I don't know. But yeah, they do. They record that that part after the show because they reference bits in the show. Right. No, I don't know about that. They the opening is. Yeah, it's opening. That's true. Is warning. Yeah, I haven't actually listened to that. It's been a while.

[00:02:35] I just enjoy the the the look on your face, Jimmy, of I don't know what you're going to say, but you're probably going to say something. And then I enjoy Eric's reaction, which is usually like, I don't know if I want to respond to that. Yeah, like it's pretty typical. Like that's the feel of it. I like it. That's our brand. Yeah, I like I like responding to it. But in this particular case, I didn't feel witty enough to handle it. What's your cable? I couldn't. I couldn't. Yes. And Eric, what's your Internet?

[00:03:05] I don't have cable. I have fiber. What's your Internet? It's from Mountain Broadband. Thank you, Mountain Broadband for being a sponsor. Thank you, Mountain Broadband. Yeah. All right, boys. This is a podcast about Disneyland at Disney World and which is better. Oh, it is? Yeah. So that's the one we're doing today. That's right. And which which one's better? I have a bunch of notes on Abbey Road. I'm going to need to come up with this on the spot. All right. All right. Eric.

[00:03:34] Walt Disney World is better. Okay. I had a friend who went to Disneyland for the first time, who'd been to Disney World a bunch, went to Disneyland for the first time. And they, I think it's recency bias, but they said Disneyland because of just the proximity that you can go on the same number of attractions. Basically, it's the same number of attractions at Disneyland Resort as there are at all Disney World. Same, generally same number. Yeah. But you can do them all in a quarter of the time because of the proximity.

[00:04:04] My wife's at Disneyland right now. Yeah. It's recency bias. That's all I'm going to say. Yeah. We, I, and I, I get the feeling that Disney World and I'm not trying to say this in a dickish way is almost leaning into the like, we're kind of not as good, but that's okay because there's more stuff energy. I just don't think there's more stuff. I mean, so, well, I mean, yeah, there's more stuff, not just rides.

[00:04:33] I mean, like more things to do things to do. And I realized I didn't, I didn't speaking of water. I didn't get water for this podcast. So you two talk amongst yourselves. I'm going to go get water as, and feel free to, if you want to put in any quips listener, how about this? If you want to play the character that I often play of myself and give little quips and dick jokes while I do that, feel free to do that. Okay. I will ask, I will ask questions to Dan and listener. I'd like you to fill in the blanks of what you think Dan would say. Oh yes.

[00:05:03] We'll just, we'll leave a little space. No, actually. So, you know, we've talked about it before and whenever this show ends, if, and when, um, you know, we need to have a basic summary. I think it's going to end up being, you know, points, right? The number of points. Listener, you should have thrown in at least one pun by now. At least one pun. They haven't had a chance. They haven't had a chance cause I've been talking, but, um, you know, so the winner will just be,

[00:05:29] and you know, just kind of objectively how many, which one has the most points. Right. We're going to have to do some kind of summary. And as it stands now is basically, it depends on what you want to do. Do you want to spend a day or two in a, in, in a really well themed environment, Disneyland, if you want to go and escape and spend a week exploring. You should have thrown in at least one intentional misunderstanding or a complicated idea presented as though it was a throwaway thought.

[00:05:58] Okay. I'll be back shortly. I don't think he's getting water at all. Oh, wait, he's just yelling from the, from across the room. Yeah. We can see him listener. Uh, he's back. Okay. How'd they do? They did a good job. They did a good job. It was all very well-timed. Hey, Jimmy. Yeah. Uh, you know that, uh, we're, we're all well aware that you, um, you got married at,

[00:06:28] at Walt Disney world. Had I mentioned that before? It's, it's come up. Okay. It's come up. Sorry. You know, sometimes when you record, it's off the air. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's never come up on the show. Okay. Got it. But, uh, Disney weddings episode we did with the harpist, especially not during that. And you heard like, so Eric, go ahead, please. Uh, Brandy and I are going to renew our vows. That's so exciting.

[00:06:58] At a Disney park on our 20th. And when is that blessed event? Uh, I don't know. You don't have to give me a date. So what year? 20, 28. 20, 28. 20, 28. All right. Save the date listeners. I have Google handle that. I really don't know. So the 20, 28, you said is the year. Yes. 20, 28.

[00:07:27] Do you know which park you're planning on renewing? Well, that was the deal because that that's, that's the discussion because we, we, uh, we went to our honeymoon at Walt Disney world. We stayed at the grand grand Floridian, um, at which we are unlikely to stay again. Um, not, not, not our style, not our type of people. Yeah. But, uh, but yeah, we might be able to get John Stamos. It's possible at the grand Floridian only though.

[00:07:57] Yeah. Oh, you could get Josh Gad for sure. So Eric. Oh my goodness. We're, we've got a lot of work to do here. If you said, Hey Josh Gad, will you officiate our renewal? Will Josh Gad officiate? And so inside a Disney theme park you're saying? Uh, well we're, we're, we're going to renew our vows. Yeah. At a, at a theme park. And, uh, wow. Do you have to like, is that something you do incognito?

[00:08:24] Like just bring a priest and go find a corner or do it on the, on a gash? Yeah, exactly. We're going to do the thing where, where we mortgage our house for the eighth time. Um, yeah. Are we invited? But, but no. Is the listener invited? That's a real. The listeners are invited. Listen, I'm a listener. Not you too. Yeah. You guys don't listen to the show. That's exciting, Eric. But yeah, we're, we're going to do this at, uh, Brandy wants to go to Disneyland because

[00:08:53] that's been more, um, more, more of our style. No, your West coasters. It's easier to get to. Well, I suppose it's kind of easier. Can I make a suggestion and you might for any number of reasons want to edit this out. Uh huh. Can I recommend that Terrence be the officiant? Um, Terrence, I would love, I would love for Terrence to be the officiant. Um, our, our friend Mark is probably going to be our officiant. So, sorry, Josh Gad, you're out. Yeah.

[00:09:23] Uh, Josh, if Josh Gad is available. Well, he's probably, then maybe Josh Gad will edge out Mark and Terrence. Oh. Well, I hadn't thought of Terrence. Um, I haven't thought of Terrence in a long time. Yeah. I hope he's well talked to Terrence as much as I used to. Listener, think of Terrence. And if you have his number, send him a text telling him we're thinking about him. Yeah. I should do that. Okay. Here, let me do that right now. Let's move on.

[00:09:49] Um, while he's texting Terrence to let him know that we're thinking about him. Uh, we, I started to say we're podcast about Disneyland Disney world, which is better. And as a result, we go to these parks a lot. I haven't been since September, I think, but Dan, what, uh, do you have any latest Disney experience trips? Something that you've just recently, I mean, nothing that's not like weirdly personal.

[00:10:18] I think I've listeners who have listened longterm, I think have been somewhat aware of my quest to find good vacation mode for myself. And I think I'm landing on that. And I think I'm landing on that, which is don't do, don't do rope drop the first day. If you're doing multiple day, cause that initiates like go, go, go energy. Instead, just, you know, do lazy stuff first and then hold the go, go energy for the last day.

[00:10:47] Um, it's great advice, which is, I never, I mean, it, now that I've landed on it, it's feels obvious, but that's just very me. Um, the, I will share that you listeners, you probably already didn't possibly already know this, but DCA has a new rope drop thing where you can wait in like five different places instead of two, um, or three.

[00:11:12] Uh, I never rope drop DCA because that park is almost dead to me. Um, but it's kind of started there. I'm not, it's the, I'm not the person that it's made for. We've been there. We've talked about this before. I enjoy parts of it, but I'm never, it's never like, if anyone's just like, I'm going to go to DCA and not Disneyland. Do you want to go? I'm like, no.

[00:11:39] If the whole thing was a giant mission tortilla factory, that's a different story. Oh, it'd be awesome. Cause I mean, first of all, it'd be impressive. Just the feet of the giant mission, the giant mission tortilla alone. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Um, would you allow the, the sourdough factory as well? Well, you'd have to, I mean, I think it should be a, a, a theme park of factories. Factory theme. It almost was. It, I know. And I think it should still be, there was a working farm.

[00:12:09] There was a, there's a tractor. There's a winery where there's five very small grapes growing. That's right. Um, but yeah, you should make wine out of that. Attractions should be, you should be able to stomp and make your own wine. I'm just saying. All right. Anyway. So, uh, you, the DCA rope drop thing. So now you can rope drop cars land specifically. And then like the rope is at the end of the street, right? Like you're walking. It's like, it's the, it's at the end. Uh, yeah.

[00:12:39] I mean, uh, David fresh baked, um, has a video about it. Go ahead and watch that. Put it in the comments that you got there because of us. Yeah. Um, that's concerning. I think we should start doing. Yeah. You're right. Um, and Oh, uh, in other YouTube news, uh, SoCal Disney dad is almost unwatchable for me now. And that means that I watch him even more. Yeah. Hate watch is a fun, fun pastime for Dan. Um, wait, isn't that a trips coming up?

[00:13:07] Which, which guys, SoCal in June, they said, uh, SoCal Disney dad is the guy with the two kids and the wife. And I know there's a whole text string about it. Um, yeah, he's, he's the one that you saw him. Somebody saw him. I saw, well, right. No. Yeah. Ryan saw him on the, on a cruise. Right. I saw them in person in the parks and my running theory.

[00:13:33] And you know, if I'm, if I'm wrong, Hey, SoCal Disney dad come at us better yet be a guest in our show. Um, I think that he is an insufferable, like Karen esque sort of person. And his wife strikes me as genuinely cool and probably the more reasonable of the two. Um, and the brief interaction that I had with them kind of confirmed that, but I went in with a lot of, you know, predisposed.

[00:14:03] Yeah. Yeah. Is he the West coast Tom Corliss? No, he wants to be, here's the thing. His whole deal is that he's just doing other people's bets. Like he's, he's like fresh baked. We'll put out a video and then like a week later, he'll put out his take on the exact same thing, except it's like worse and more wrong. And then Bricky will put out something or ordinary inventors will put out something, uh, or magic journeys.

[00:14:31] We'll put out something, you know, everyone has like their lane. And I think my honest analysis is that all the lanes are taken and he doesn't have a lane. So he's like, he's just like kind of rubbing across all the lanes. Because you have like ordinary adventures, which is like just straight up nerd culture, Bricky, which is like design and like kind of is some depth to it. Design speculation.

[00:14:58] Uh, fresh baked is like, you know, uh, strategy, uh, magic journeys as food. Um, and then there's, there's, there's some smatterings in there, but that's kind of, Oh, Oh, Oh. And, uh, best life and beyond is, uh, you know, vaguely racist weirdness. Um, if you want that. Um, and, uh, so provost park passes, uh, Oh, the provost is, um, secrets and secrets. And he's just a goofy dude.

[00:15:26] And I think that that's like, he's kind of work getting in. He's kind of in the Adam, the woo lane where you kind of watch it for him, you know? Yeah. So Cal Disney dad has no personality. Um, and he's just clearly trying to build his brand and it makes my skin crawl every time I watch his, his videos, which of course means that I watch more of them and the way

[00:15:51] that he introduces himself at the beginning of every video sounds as though it sound has the same cadence as somebody introducing themselves to the new neighbors because they have been ordered by a court to do that. Oh, interesting. Cause they're child molester. Um, Hey, I don't know if you know this about pro park pass. Uh, he used to be in business. Did you know that? Oh, business. Still, he started making, he started making videos. Yeah.

[00:16:20] Um, okay guys, let's move on. Subscribe, subscribe to his videos. Subscribe to his videos. Subscribe to them. Okay. So, uh, Dan, have you, have either of you seen the new, uh, revised revitalized star Wars land with the, the different timelines? I have not. Hmm. I'm not. I'm going to be there Wednesday. Okay. Okay. So next time we record, you can tell us all about it. Yeah. I, I, what I've, what I'm hearing is that I forgot about that part.

[00:16:51] What I'm hearing is that the music in some parts really works. Cause it's like kind of dead space. So it's like, I'm in the middle of a transition, like the scene where like, you know, the stuff that we use C-3PO and R2D2 for those scenes where it's like, it doesn't really matter what's happening. We're just going from one thing to another. Um, and then when you hit the, for lack of a better term, main area of, uh, Batuu, it's

[00:17:18] just nonstop, like Avengers campus level. Oh no. Yeah. Yeah. Like just star Wars, like the main fanfare. Yeah. Just basically that. Yeah. Oh, that's a shame. Where, and I think I watched the bricky video, uh, video. Um, did you subscribe? I subscribed. I subscribed. I'm already subscribed.

[00:17:42] And, um, you know, he went in through, uh, Tiana's Bayou critter country area. Adventure. And it was like, it was like, you know, the, the, the beginning was okay. I get the, as you're going under the train tracks, you get like a little bit of the John Williams music. And it's like, okay, cool. Then you get to the, the outpost area and there's really no music. It's just sound effects. And he's just like, Hey, this is really works.

[00:18:10] And then from the transition from there to the, um, the town area, the outpost, it's like that, like really heavy woodwind, John Williams, sort of a, you know, that kind of transitional music. And he was like, Hey, this actually really fits. Cause it feels like I'm in between scenes and then the music never stops. So what I'd like to, I'd like to picture it this way. Like they, they, they designed it.

[00:18:38] So where, when you walk into and have the reveal, the millennium Falcon that you hear right. Right. Whatever that. And I just, I, it's a sensor. So it just keeps resetting. That's it. It's a hundred percent where my head was. So every person that walks by, I love it. All right.

[00:19:04] Uh, on that note, um, I wanted to, I wanted to share, I'm not going to read the whole thing, but I just want to acknowledge. Um, I, I'm sorry if I'm pronouncing this name wrong, but it's Alina or Alina Kaepernick. She wrote us a very, very kind, uh, letter thanking us for the show and, um, what it meant to her. And, um, this, the last thing I really appreciated was thank you for what you do. You probably don't fully realize how many people you're helping and inspiring on a daily basis,

[00:19:33] but I can promise you I'm one of them. That was very sweet. I won't read her whole thing. It's just some personal stuff in there, but thank you. Um, Alina, Alina. I'm going to say Alina. Thank you. And I'm sorry, I'm pronouncing your name wrong. Um, but thanks for listening. And it was, it was nice, you know, just basically acknowledging that she appreciates the length and she appreciates the banter. And even though we've been kind of inconsistent that she's kind of stuck with us. And that seems indicative of our listeners is that the, the, as we gotten a little more

[00:20:03] sporadic, uh, due to life events and whatever, that, um, the same number of people seem to listen. So thank you all of you. And thank you, Alina for your kind words. All right. Excuse me. This show today, everybody, you may be confused by the title you saw when you clicked to download this show. No one's going to make sense to me. Um, today we're today is the case of the currently operating multi-dimensional spinning

[00:20:31] rides cartoon spin V cosmic rewind. So here's how we got this song. You're going to, here's how we got to email that to me when I post it. We what's in the Supreme folder under the, the folder is called convoluted spinners. Oh, okay. Okay. I see. Um, anyway, so, so here's how we got here. Now there's really, you know, as we're, as we're doing more and more. We're nonsensical shows and less versus episodes of late.

[00:20:57] We need to get back into kind of versus we, you know, we have a lot to do obviously in small world, not the least of which. Um, but you know, how are we going to get the guardian gal guardians of the galaxy cosmic rewind? There's no, there's no kind of analog comparison for that. Same with Roger rabbit. What we realized is both of these rides, number one, still operating. Unlike the, uh, the, the, the dinosaur spinning one that's closed in dino land or formerly dino land.

[00:21:27] We can still can't remember right now. Um, anyway, there's that one. We did an episode on it. I'm sure we did. It's probably that versus sky school. Um, yeah, yes. Countdown to an extinction. Um, no, anyway, it doesn't matter. So, so both of these rides are forward moving. They're both in the dark in a building and they both spin. Yep. Hooray. The end.

[00:21:56] So that's how we got an analogy. That's how we got there. Um, anyway. All right, great. So, uh, Dan is going to argue for Roger rabbits, cartoon spin car. Get it. Cause they're in a car and it's a cartoon. What are you, what are you implying? So, uh, and that came first. And then Eric is going to argue for guardians of the galaxy, cosmic rewind.

[00:22:24] If Dan makes an argument I like, Oh, there we go. You're going to hear this sound. Hello. And if Eric makes a point that I like, you're going to hear this sound. I love that idea. I love that idea. Oh, RIP. Um, all right. So first we're going to have opening arguments, opening statements by Dan and Eric. So Dan, what's your opening statement? Okay.

[00:22:54] Um, I forgot to actually draft an opening statement, but I did ask Claude, uh, AI to help. Preview things that will be set on this episode that will upset me. And in ways that especially the, the listener will assume is a bit, and then I will get even more upset when they assume that. Um, because as we all know, I am playing a character and I love the Beatles.

[00:23:20] Um, you are going to say that it has a backward launch and you're going to say it more times than it needs to be said. Uh, it's going to, the opening statement is about supposed to be about your ride. Not about this. Come on. Okay. My, okay. Roger rabbit. Hold on. Let me see if there's anything else good in here. Kids today know who the guardians are. You're going to say that. Let's see. Uh, Q is really cool because of the horizon. This should be your closing arguments. Closing. Uh, let's see.

[00:23:50] It might also be, uh, it's you're gonna say that it's just objectively better. You're going to have to admit that the, uh, let's see. Uh, Epcot world discovery ride vehicles, more sophisticated. Anyway. Uh, let's see Roger rabbit. Uh, it was a movie. Okay. Once upon a time, uh, there were things called movie theaters where people would go to see things called movies. And in these things called movies, it was usually expected.

[00:24:20] They were talkies. Yes. They, the history of cinema as presented by the Supreme resort as filtered through my ADHD adult brain. Uh, the Lumiere brothers came to Hollywood in let's say 1910, uh, on a horseback and they had many machines and those machines could make movies. And many of their first movies were just horses and they were just like nibbling at each other.

[00:24:46] And then eventually the technology caught up and they had a movie in which Bob Hoskins and a rabbit were together. And not like that. It's not in a gross way. In fact, it was a very wholesome movie except for a character named Jessica rabbit, who was really sinful and, and had, she just wears a trench coat. That movie, right? Oh no, she does more than that. And she knows. Um, she, so then they made a ride.

[00:25:16] The ride is at Disneyland and it can't be anywhere else because contracts are really supreme. Dot. And Michael, I was going to be a lot of Hollywood studios. Originally was going to have a lot of Roger Abbott in it. Oh yeah. Um, and Michael Eisner is both a hero and a villain in this story. He's not bad. He's just drawn that way. And that's why Roger rabbits cartoon spin is the supreme spinning.

[00:25:47] I think what we do, Eric is in editing when we do closing arguments, just cut that and just paste it back in at the end. Now he's going to get more convoluted. I'm just going to keep pasting that throughout the entire episode. You know, we'll, we'll have that four times. All right, Eric, uh, what is your opening statement? Yeah. Well, from the beginning of Epcot center future world was, I wrote an opening statement. Look at me. I write better.

[00:26:18] I followed the assignment. I prepared kiss up. And I'm reading my notes that I wrote a week ago. And I'm like, what the heck did I write? All right. From the beginning of Epcot center, from the beginning of the Epcot center, future world was focused on edutainment of the youths of the 1980s. This made a huge impact on me as an 1980s youth.

[00:26:48] It also made a huge impact on fictional character, Peter Quill, also known as star Lord. Guardians of the galaxy. Cosmic rewind does not have as much punctuation as mission breakout. What it does have is a rich history of weird attractions. It also has a giant show building that some people hate and some people don't mind. It's also one of the best roller coasters I've ever written. Let's discuss. Some people hate and some people don't mind. Got it.

[00:27:17] So we can put a personal touch in there. Okay. Real quick. Did Peter Quill ever ride cartoon spin? The late great Peter Quill? I'm not sure. He's still around. He will return. I'm just, I will return. This is how we talk about all fictional characters now. The late great. Yeah. Oh my God. Like Hannibal Lecter. Yeah, exactly. Okay. I'm afraid to ask, but Dan, can you give us the history of Roger Rabbit's cartoon spin? I can definitely give you the history. Does that have anything to do with the Lumiere brothers?

[00:27:46] No, I just, I actually prepared that part. I just haven't read it. I prepared it. I just haven't read it. I know the preparation that went into it. Look, if we can use, if we can use AI to deny people healthcare and like melt poor people and annihilate an entire population of people, then we can use it for this.

[00:28:14] I do want to say though, in case I forget, which I probably won't, but I'll probably just say it a bunch more times is that I saw this movie in theaters. The movie that this is based on 11 times in one weekend. Wow. In one weekend? In one weekend. It's a good movie. I've seen it many, many times, but not 11 times in one weekend. I was also visiting Wichita Falls where there wasn't a whole lot more to do. This is the same year that Little Mermaid came out, 1989. That's right. That's right. The Disney Renaissance. It's one of my favorite movies.

[00:28:44] It's a great movie. It is a great movie. And I'm going to argue it's a great ride. It's a great movie. But first we're going to talk about the great history of Roger Rabbit. The character, not the ride. Roger Rabbit is based on a novel called Who Censored Roger Rabbit by Gary K. Wolf. It is noir satire where tunes create doppelgangers and Roger speaks in physical word balloons. He is a murder victim.

[00:29:12] Jessica is a gold digger and Disney acquired the film rights in 1983. Have you read the book? In 1980. Huh? Have you read the book? No, I don't like to read. Oh, okay. I can, but I don't like to. I did read the book. Oh. Oh, well. Cool. How Disneyfied is the movie versus the book. Oh, the movie is very, very different from the book.

[00:29:39] The book sounds like dirty-ish. Yeah. Dirty and decent. Like, have you read the Wicked book, Eric? I've read the Wicked books, yeah. Yeah. And the movie is like profoundly, it's like somebody, they use some of the same character names and some of the same like vernacular, but that's about it. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. It's that sort of thing where, I mean, cause like Dan said, like the, it's, it's based

[00:30:06] on, on like comic strips in the newspaper. So like Roger literally speaks in word bubbles. Yeah. Um, and that's, that's the way all the, like the Hagar, the horrible is in there and all this other stuff. Um, it, so it's interesting.

[00:30:28] So once we apply the layer of it being animated, then that kind of, that would have to change a lot of things kind of immediately. Right. Right. And it, I mean, it's, it's not a, it, I mean, it was, it's an entertaining book. Uh, but, but yeah, it's much more entertaining to see it in, in a movie with animation. Um, Gary K Wolf, uh, if you follow him on his social media, uh, is obsessed with Jessica rabbit.

[00:30:59] Hmm. Maybe that's what they changed it. You're like, okay, we haven't got it. He keeps writing this. Okay. Um, changes yet. Uh, that's true. They don't exist yet. Uh, the film who framed Roger, but can't who framed Roger. I became out in 1988. I saw it 11 times in the theater over one weekend. Not sure if I've said that before. Uh, it was released by Disney touch tone along with Amblin. Um, it was a huge re-imagining.

[00:31:29] They dropped the donk doppelganger idea. They had a judge doom. It was the highest grossing domestic film of 1988. Uh, hit $351 million worldwide on a $50 million budget. Uh, directed by what's his face. The guy that does. Yeah. That guy, um, won four Academy awards, including special achievement for animation director, Richard Williams, and it was added to the national film registry in 2016.

[00:31:57] It was a massive landmark for live action animation hybrid films. Uh, it was kind of a contrast contractual fuster clock. You're welcome, Eric. Um, Disney and Amblin co-own the original, the film original characters. So it's a 50, 50 split, which means that there's a huge internal dispute.

[00:32:19] Um, where they wanted to attach, um, a, they wanted to attach later shorts, one called rollercoaster rabbit to Dick Tracy, but Spielberg wanted to have, uh, be attached to arachnophobia. And eventually things fall apart between Disney and Amblin. That was where he wanted to put it. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:32:46] And we can speculate, we can speculate that, um, this kind of led to it directly or indirectly Spielberg kind of doubling down on the universal, um, relationship because, you know, they were not run by megalomaniacs, at least not like open megalomaniacs. Um, Michael Eisner, he gets me a guest on our show.

[00:33:11] Uh, there was a complicated sequel script by, uh, Seaman and price. Uh, and the Robert Zemeckis said recently that Disney would never make it. Uh, recently Gary K Wolf got the rights back. Um, he said the process was very, very civil and courteous. Disney didn't find it.

[00:33:35] What he got back was actually just the characters, the ability to develop new Roger Rabbit projects, live action, Jessica Rabbit movie. Who, um, based on his novel, just a Jessica Rabbit serious business. Uh, what does the cab play Jessica Rabbit in the live action? Um, the jeans girl. What's her name? Sydney Sweeney. Sabrina Carpenter. Oh, it's. Oh yeah. Sydney Sweeney. Yeah. Sydney Sweeney. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:34:04] That's, that's, that's right. Okay. Okay. Continue. And she, she, and she'd be, if it should be wonderful, everyone would love it. And she wouldn't, there would be no controversy around it. Um, yeah, Disney kept the film and the film version characters. So the implication for the ride going forward is that cartoon spin uses Disney's film version IP. It's not legally endangered, but the ride is now effectively the last Roger Rabbit attraction.

[00:34:30] Disney will independently operate any future Roger project projects will run through Wolf. Uh, there was a huge impact on popular culture and animation when this movie came out and helped catalyze the Disney Renaissance. Um, that's basically a little mermaid, uh, onward to, I guess, chicken run is where that ended. Um, if that's even a Disney movie, open the door for adults facing animation revival. We're talking Simpsons, Ren and Stimpy, Animaniacs.

[00:34:59] Um, Ren and Stimpy connection is indirect, but it's been cited a couple places. This is where my notes fall apart. Thank you. AI, uh, cool world came out route Ralph Bakshi, uh, attempted to create a Roger Rabbit feel. It's incoherent. It's darker. People have hardly watched it. I don't know if it's any good at all. Um, I'm going to talk about Isra's Disney decade, but I definitely need to get a glass of water. If you two want to talk about it.

[00:35:26] Well, I want to interject with one of the things that Roger Rabbit did help revolutionize animation is something called the bumping the lamp technique. You heard of this Eric bumping the lamp in, in the movie, uh, Eddie Valiant, like swings Roger and Roger bumps the lamp with his head or something like that. Oh yeah. Yeah.

[00:35:48] Oh, I know that's like animators hand shadowed every cell to actually show real world things interacting with animated characters like, uh, street lights or, or headlights, you know, as they kind of slide by or swing by that. That was, um, created in who framed Roger rabbit, the bumping. Despite it being 2d animation, there was still so much 3d shading and everything on there.

[00:36:13] It was, I remember watching so many specials about, about the making of the movie and you know, how they like, how the, the, the, the gorilla bouncer throws Eddie Valiant out of the club and all this crazy stuff. Like that. I was fascinated by the making of this movie. I, I, the tunes impact the environment, right?

[00:36:38] The tunes impact the environment and the environment also impacts the tunes, which is, yeah, that's the bumping the lamp effect. All right, Dan, Disney decade, Disney decade. Uh, we're talking 1984 and then 2005, uh, peaks around late 1980s, early nineties. Uh, splash mountain was part of it. Tony Baxter log flume also, uh, Breck, uh, Eisner development, uh, was one of the first major post Roger attractions, uh, that proved the Renaissance had legs.

[00:37:07] Um, toontown opened in January 24th, 1993 at Disneyland, uh, concept directly inspired by the movie. A phantasmic part of the Disney, Disney decade didn't exist before. Uh, there was just a body of water that no one looked at and it had a huge impact on everything. Uh, Dick Tracy is the thing that exists. It did exist. Look it up. It's weird. Uh, Westcott is going to be part of it. It was canceled because of the French.

[00:37:37] Um, and we also had, uh, the Paul Pressler take over shortly after that because of the French. And, um, by the way, French people, if anyone can be on the show, feel free. We need guests. Um, and that eventually led to toontown to find French guests. Uh, our guests say a French, um, uh, and toontown itself got bogged down in weird legal, just nightmare.

[00:38:04] Um, Jolly Trolley shut down in 2003 from safety concerns. Uh, the tracks just rusted in place. The land closed nightly for fireworks fallout, which people eventually were like, I guess this is just what this land is now. Um, by 2010s toontown was culturally written off as the kids land and adults avoided it. Uh, and then more recently Mickey and Minnie's runaway railway opened in Disneyland.

[00:38:33] I'm promise I'm getting to the ride soon. Um, full re-imagining of the, of, uh, the land itself was kind of a risk to put Mickey and Minnie's runaway railway in there because it had kind of negative, half negative reception due to it. And then they started replacing, I know I said, do, do, um, the great movie ride at Disney world. And people were kind of upset about it even existing. Um, but they doubled down and they said, we're going to do this.

[00:39:01] Um, and they revitalized the whole land. And ever since then, um, people have kind of arrived and gone, Oh, I guess I did care about this land. Um, and it's actually really nice to see, uh, Jessica rabbit. Would it surprise you to learn that Paul Pressler is now the chairman of the board of eBay? No, not one bit. That's a perfect day. Huh? There you go. Yep. I was expecting you to say Enron.

[00:39:30] Um, so let's see, I have a ride development. Uh, toontown was something that they were, they were, they're, they're developing based on the, um, success of the movie in part. Um, and so they, but they needed an e-ticket. Uh, it opened with no anchor ride. It was just gadget gadgets, go coaster and walkthroughs.

[00:39:57] Some anchor projects considered where Winnie the Pooh, um, they've got a decent way through the development. Wouldn't have fit there. Little mermaid also wouldn't have fit. But they find that neither really had the temperament, uh, for what toontown needed. Um, Eisner personally champion championed Roger rabbit as the anchor. Um, tying it to, uh, the movie history, there was an unbuilt Roger rabbits, Hollywood.

[00:40:26] Uh, it would preexisting. There were preexisting plans for a full Roger rabbit themed area at Disney MGM studios. It was never built. It was going to include Gus, the bus kind of similar to a toontown trolley, except it was a simulator ride through toontown on a new character who was a sentient bus. Um, toon coaster based on rollercoaster rabbit short,

[00:40:51] baby Herman's runaway buggy, uh, runaway, baby buggy ride guests and strollers, a stunt doubles. Okay. Uh, Benny the cab ride eventually evolved into cartoon spin, by the way, cartoon spin is a play on the word cartoon because you're in a car and you're in toontown. Um, yes. Oh, this expansion in Hollywood studios, uh, was shelved due to the rights disputes,

[00:41:20] which we will get into almost endlessly, I think. And also because of the French, um, uh, Hollywood Disneyland, only Hollywood land behind main street was also planned around Roger rabbit. That was also canceled. Um, they, there's no evidence that they thought about doing a book report version of the movie. Um, but I imagine that's likely anyway, they didn't do that.

[00:41:47] The ride system itself is super interesting because they wanted to make something that, um, was unique and would lend itself to the wacky zany world of tunes. Um, so on a whim channeling full imagineer energy. Um, I forget what I called it and nevermind. No, you know what? Don't listen to what I just said.

[00:42:15] Uh, a mattress took a real mad tea tea party teacup off the teacup ride one night and physically placed it on the track for Pinocchio's daring journey to test whether a 360 degree rider controlled spinning, uh, ride could work on a standard dark ride path. And that's crazy. What? They, they really did that. They really did that. I've never heard this. That's crazy. Just to test the concept of, wow.

[00:42:43] For this ride, they did this to test the concept. Yeah. Yeah. They were just like, I don't know. What if it's span? Spun, spun, spinned, spanned, spin, um, so the, the, the idea is also, you know, the, the reason it wouldn't work on a Pinocchio is it exists today as those flats. You know, when you turn around, there's just nothing would, which also means a lot more. Yeah.

[00:43:13] Which means that they would have to like flesh out the details for a 360 experience. Give you more. I see. Instead of just pointing you at what they wanted you to see. Like some rides do.

[00:43:23] So, um, the ride system is a hybrid of existing technologies, uh, which kind of is, I don't want to credit it for starting this lineage, but if you think about it, there has been kind of a pattern going forward where they're like, okay, what if we combine ride systems and what can that then become?

[00:43:51] Um, and from there you get, um, Indiana Jones, Indiana Jones. Thank you. You also get rise of the resistance and you get another one that I'm not thinking of. Um, basically this started, it, it kind of unlocked the imagineers minds in a little bit to go like, well, wait, what if we just start piling things that already exist on top of each other? What can we do there? Right. Another good example is cosmic rewind.

[00:44:20] Uh, sure. I guess it wouldn't probably say that, but no, I don't know that anybody would ever say that. Yeah. But I mean, well, if we are going to build, if you are going to build that in, then I think that, and you wouldn't be wrong to do that. Honestly, what I'm saying is that we might not get to that without this. Yeah. Maybe.

[00:44:43] Which if I need to, if I need to unload an argument about how, because this ride is so influential, it is clearly the best, just like the Beatles. I will do that, but I'm not, I don't feel like I need to do that yet. Um, you don't need to justify the Beatles right now. No, I'd leave them out of it. Uh, so originally there's going to be a two story layout for the ride.

[00:45:09] Well, it would wind up on a path to a second floor, come outside the building. So now they've added Alice in Wonderland too. That's a triple layer. Run along an exterior balcony track and reenter for the finale. Uh, the intent was to use the visible outdoor section as a weenie, uh, which we all know what that means. It's an imagineer flap. Oh, drawing visitors towards the right from elsewhere in Toontown.

[00:45:38] Um, that was scrapped because it just was going to end up being a huge architectural problem, but there's been, there have been, if you look, if you know where to look and I recommend you watch Bricky did a video on this recently, make sure to, if you watch it, leave in the comments that you got there by listening to us. Um, so if you want more about that, feel free, but let, let them know how you got there, please.

[00:46:05] Um, that cut the budget from 40 million to 22 million. Um, and they needed to do everything inside and not be in two stories. Right. Right. And they needed to cut that money because of the French. Um, so what they were trying to do is they're trying to give guests control of the spin. Uh, they wanted to give guests control of the spin, uh, because they didn't want them to feel like it, they were, it was, it was out of control.

[00:46:35] Um, so that also meant that they lost control of what the guests would see. So they had no guarantee that they would even see certain things. So that also mean that they had, they also meant they had to prioritize mood and feeling over linear merit narrative because sometimes they would miss just like major parts of the plot. Uh, so the whole thing is tone over plot, which I guess part might be part of why I like it so much.

[00:47:02] Uh, some stats, we have 17 audio animatronics, 59 animated props, 20 special effects. Uh, the duration's about three and a half minutes. Uh, so basically this has, uh, animatronics, which is really good for this argument. Um, there's some imaginary cameos in it. Uh, they voice the gorilla. I'm fighting off a burp in case that's why my voice sounds weird. Um, just, just let it go.

[00:47:31] I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll totally not edit it out. I, no, I usually do. I'm just really trying to be polite. Um, which I don't know why. Uh, so you can hear them doing bongo, the gorilla, and you can also hear them as Bolina. You could hear them as some of the clowns in the wacky gag warehouse. Um, dip barrels in the queue are actual film props. Uh, one was dented from a Christopher Lloyd kick. Um, let's see.

[00:48:00] Uh, so yeah, I'm going to, what this comes down to, and I'm just going to lay it out. This ride is kind of a relic or gem, whatever you want to say of a time when Disney was taking risks, being aggressively weird. Um, not afraid to, you know, take really big steps.

[00:48:26] And as opposed to, uh, another ride, which I won't mention, which I feel like is almost the exact opposite. You've Dan, you've made some very sound arguments, uh, because it was the history. Would you like some unsound ones? No, you've done that as well. Um, but, but I guess had you go back when you're doing the ride itself and point out some of those movie props and animatronics and that kind of thing.

[00:48:55] Um, cause I think that's, I don't know the ride that well. So that's point worthy. So just point those out as we come to that. Cause we're just talking about histories. Right. Um, because I don't know how many animatronics are in guardians. I haven't heard yet. Um, probably are you done with, are you done with the history Dan? I'm done. How many, uh, maybe not only animatronics, but how many, uh, contractually obligated actors phoned in their performances.

[00:49:25] Oh, Oh, so Jimmy's aware of the ride. I've just, so I've been told, uh, Eric, I've never been on guardians, which probably gives me a, an advantage in this argument because I hear it's really good. It is in fact. And I feel like if I had been on it, I feel like if I had been on it, this would be a harder argument to make. Um, and I'm pretty sure it's going to win anyway, but I'm going to make a solid argument for Roger. Well, that's what this show is all about. Yeah.

[00:49:55] Yeah. Make, make as hard an argument as you can make it as hard as you can. Um, Oh, he's way ahead of you while making the argument. Um, so let us hope that we have a new Renaissance with the tomorrow decade. Mm hmm. See if they get back to that weird creative stuff. It seems like he's all in. Hopefully the, hopefully the French will learn that lesson. That's right.

[00:50:22] Uh, Eric, would you like to give us the history of guardians of the galaxy cosmic rewind? I assume it's a lot shorter. This, this episode is so long already. I know they had a boring. Let me look. Can I help? They had a ride. A lot of people thought it was boring. They put Ellen in it. It got worse. They decided what if we had a roller coaster in Epcot? Then they said, what property can we make a roller coaster around? And someone said, how about guardians of the galaxy? And they built this. Yeah.

[00:50:51] Cause universal doesn't have the theme park rights to them. This, this side of the country. Okay. Well, Dan just, uh, just made my argument. So succinct. Eric, do you want to elaborate a little bit? Yes. Let's elaborate a little bit from Walt Disney's Epcot center, creating the new world of tomorrow. The preview center book that I, I absolutely love. It's got, this is an amazing book.

[00:51:18] If you can find it, um, it's got so many great images from the early, the like concept art and early days of, of Epcot. It's, it's fantastic. But here, you'd have a Disney quote. What paraphrase Walt Disney quote? Cause I know people really appreciate that on podcasts like these. If you can find it, then you can read it. Thank you. Oh, yep. Yep. That's, that's exactly what he said.

[00:51:46] Um, when it comes to reading Dan's other favorite. Disney quote, it's kind of fun to do the impossible. True. That's Dan reading. I'm joking. Actually, my favorite thing to say about reading is I can, I just don't like to. That's right. I feel the same way. But why? Yeah. Continue Eric. All right. Continue. Read your dumb book. Like a nerd show up. Nerd.

[00:52:16] Shut the damn up. Read it a book. Read it. The universe of energy. See, I can't read either. Universe of energy presented by Exxon. Hmm. No problem here. The building shaped like an enormous triangle with the apex toward the ground seems to rise

[00:52:40] out of the earth in a great swoop of silver and gray with its unique architectural shapes and clean lines. It makes a dynamic statement as well as, as it should. It houses the universe of energy. Now the universe of energy. The universe of energy. The universe of energy. Had. Jimmy was just singing some song. One of the most Epcot things to ever exist. 100%. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:53:08] It had a great, it had a great song. It had weird technology in the queue. Into the radoc screens, which was a, a, an array of triangular screens that would rotate and spin. And. Oh, yeah. The pre show. Yeah. The pre show. It was this. Yeah. This, this astounding thing where you're like, what is happening in front of me?

[00:53:39] Um, wasn't it like one side was white, the other was black and the other was like reflective or something. yeah yeah yeah they the whole thing just kept shifting and um yeah it was it was just one of those and you could hear them go you could hear it moving clank clank clank it's like when uh reminds me when dan and i watch um

[00:54:06] the lincoln show dan always does the hydraulic noises every time he moved oh my goodness uh but yes it and this is this is an attraction that that opened in 1982 with the with the park uh sponsored by exxon uh it reflected real world energy in industry influences and it was

[00:54:35] one of the largest show buildings ever constructed by disney and uh if you think it you know people complain about the current show building at at uh at guardians this show building was already massive and the reason it was massive is because this attraction featured you sitting in bleachers

[00:54:59] and those bleachers starting to drive that you you kind of saw the beginning of the show the bleachers would start to drive through the show and this show was 45 minutes long eric you you would be on ellen's universe of energy right i've yeah i've been on ellen's yeah have you been on did you go on the original ones i yeah one of my

[00:55:26] one of my favorite things about the original and this was this was one of the first things i wrote at disney world at all and i think it really i'm i'm still upset that it's not there anymore because it is it was so so an epcot thing it was so wonderfully convoluted like in all the best ways like like just full on just like we are a future world um the way you walk we are a future world the future is

[00:55:56] fossil fuels yeah the way you walk in and like there's really no clue that we what you're gonna sit in our cars because first of all they're giant they're just like weird looking seats yeah and there's like these curtains on either side and it's like i don't know what i'm looking at i don't know what

[00:56:19] this is and you get in there and as soon as they press the button the thing turns right it turns in a way that is like ominous and they don't explain there's it's just it's just we're turning you now and then this movie comes on and it's that weird like like a world of color animation on a budget

[00:56:45] type of animation and and they're playing this creepy like music that i always call the like fear yet embrace and love science music where it's like a lot of like deep flutes and like stuff that's just like oh creepy and oh yeah scary but it but but this is going somewhere and it's just like the

[00:57:08] whole presentation was amazing and just so overblown it was like you could see the projector coming out on the on the on the thing in the multi-purpose room and it's like we're gonna watch some weird old science stuff yes yeah oh yeah it was all narration it was all serious it was long

[00:57:30] it was here is science and that that was so much of early epcot like like the living seas the deluge um it was like pbs at three in the morning right my first experience with this was ellen so okay sorry is the difference the only difference between the ellen version and the original version

[00:57:54] is they added ellen to the no well they changed they changed the original video when so it was 1996 yeah what i mean in the ride itself like the ride itself was still the same thing they just added ellen and bill nye most of the ride was the same okay the videos were different yeah i figured that um

[00:58:18] yeah because that's when we got stupid judy and and all of this other stuff it was much more humorous but they they i mean they left the dinosaur portion intact right so there was this iconic portion that was dinosaurs and it was all very serious and here this is where we get our energy despite the the fact that this ride was priding itself on the exterior having all of this

[00:58:48] the these solar panels that only provided some energy to the ride but they and at the end they tell you why that's gay and wrong that's right bill nye you know i remember at the end like what about these other types of energy we don't know too expensive jury's still out it might work sponsored by exxon mobile i don't know hello i'm dick cheney i'm here to talk to you

[00:59:15] more about these full this photovoltaic crap oh my goodness can't have energy it kills birds yeah there you go oh my goodness but yet the ride was really almost almost the same um it was the videos that were different when ellen came in in the mid 90s uh they did add in a scary ellen uh

[00:59:39] animatronic sure did and now the ride is extinct oh oh my goodness it's all over that place but yeah the ride system was the same so the the rotating theaters and the vehicles that would just your seats that would just start driving that you didn't think would be like moving it was trackless

[01:00:06] too wasn't it yeah it was yeah so listener if you haven't um if you hadn't ever experienced it it's it's the same technology as was the great movie ride right but it's just it's hard to explain going from a pre-show walking into this massive room with with essentially bleachers right i mean that's just bleachers that aren't elevated they're all flat and you're just sitting in a in a in a movie theater if you will and then it starts to move and if you don't know that it's crazy and yeah

[01:00:34] it's slow and that's why it was 45 minutes long because it just took so long to get all those vehicles in place and everything else but man it was 45 minutes is just something you don't see in a theme park it was almost like you were about to watch the most like boring dry but expensive community theater you could ever that's right that's right oh gosh that move yeah yeah what where but i do recommend seeing if i'm sure there's a video out there i don't know if it's any good

[01:01:04] of the original version just oh it's it's it's just if you love that early epcot energy of like this is terrifying but you have no choice but to embrace it um this the that is 100 that is the vibe no other attraction hit it so well on so many great notes because this is a company well think about they know that they're an evil company like they've known that they're an evil company from the

[01:01:33] very beginning exxon of course not disney exxon well the you know debates open on that but um it's like they know you're coming in with baggage and i feel like tonally they almost had to say like okay welcome to the heart of the evil thing we're gonna tell you why the evil thing is actually your

[01:01:55] only choice and now here's animatronics right there's a dinosaur aren't you entertained so we don't you wish you could burn that thing in your car um it's been an hour and we haven't even started talking about the ride yet oh okay um okay so yeah then they put ellen and bill nye in there um

[01:02:19] the end the end the end i i really enjoyed it i i personally like ellen as a comedian um i liked her i like the stupid judy of it all the jeopardy r.i.p but alex trebek was he dead oh yeah yeah yeah um alex trebek bill nye the science guy i enjoyed it and that was my first experience with it and it was the first time i'd ever been on a vehicle like that that's before i rode the great movie ride but you know you don't you we just don't we're never gonna get that again

[01:02:49] like even the tiki room used to be 20 minutes long and they cut out a whole section and this the this i guess generation or i guess it's really more about disney wanting to get people to the next thing and buy more stuff yeah there it is it's it it was it was fun in an old school way like that that what you're right dan that was old school epcot yeah that was the the the promise of old epcot

[01:03:18] and so let's to make an argument for those long things and i promise this won't itself be long but like those kinds of things helped the operation of a park and if you don't have that like in dca for example if you don't have those people eaters where you can actually have like there's 5 000 i'm overshooting but you get the idea there's 5 000 people in this building currently being entertained

[01:03:43] for 45 minutes they can't be anywhere else that's right so like if you have one or two of those things in a park it really helps with the flow and that's why something like a tiki room or like a country bear jamboree or whatever those are essential it was part of the design of these parks it's an essential part

[01:04:06] of it and the more we go away from it the more it adds to the for lack of a better term fuster cluck of the experience you know what i'd like to see as an experiment i'm sure somebody's done the math it's a little bit of a tangent but i would like to see you know sometimes they like throwback things throwback jerseys throwback this whatever and like throwback logos on cereal boxes and things i'd like to have a throwback thursday at the disney theme parks where they eliminate all lightning lane

[01:04:37] have the exact same amount of people that would have been there with lightning lane and just today there's no lightning lane both lanes are open for everybody and what happens to the crowd level so looking back at like 2020 when the parks reopened yeah exactly well that was skewed because there weren't as many people in reservations but it'd be interesting to see if it if on any given day there's 40 000 people at disneyland on on wednesday with lightning lane the same number of

[01:05:04] people go on thursday what happens to how crowded it feels you know what i mean i suspect people feel a lot less crowded i i feel like it would be something like okay jungle cruise is just as that's jungle cruise is like my measure of how busy it is there jungle cruise is always going to be about 25 minutes but that also means that like indiana jones next to it won't go over 30 you know yeah i don't know i've

[01:05:29] waited a lot longer for jungle cruise sometimes when it starts going upstairs and oh yeah me too i'm with one of those uh eric are you finished with the history uh yeah um can we take a quick break because my dog keeps hitting me with his face which means he needs to go pee well while you're doing that i'm going to read to the audience the lyrics of the song energy from the universe of energy here we go

[01:05:58] you go go with your dog and then we can okay listener this is just to sum up the history of epcot portion of old epcot energy parentheses you make the world go round was the opening song of universe of energy at epcot in its first version from 1982 until 1996 when it was ellenified listen and you'll hear the heartbeat of a universe teeming with force see all the forms of the faces of nature taking its

[01:06:26] course and feel all the wonderful motion flowing through things far and near nature will share her secrets when we are ready to hear energy these are a few of your faces glowing in timeless places bringing our lives new graces energy there is no living without you we must keep learning about you

[01:06:48] now is the time to find how to energy you are profound you make the world go round and round you make the world go round i was trying to find creepy science music but yeah it's too late anyway that was fun it's a fun song that's it's not tabusi but then there's another song i oh go ahead there's

[01:07:17] another song that the universe of energy it's a different song this one's that's when the neon people that's when the um the neon the the laser people were so good creepy science music i wish you could do a search where it's like remember that creepy music that they would have in like science documentaries

[01:07:44] yeah give me that please that well that's that's early epcot future world music yeah i really do think that if you had written you would oh you would love the original universe of energy i believe it's it's it's wonderful and i guess the the trackless thing was there was like a single wire down the

[01:08:06] the center of the yeah the thing that it would just follow it wasn't rfid it was like magnetic almost yeah yeah yeah and okay universe of energy yeah also commonly referred to as feel the flow was a finale theme song for the universe of energy feel the flow here we go through the universe of energy

[01:08:28] feel it grow see it glow it's the universe of energy come through time set the course sail the wind tap the source from the sea to the skies there's a force beyond our eyes feel the flow here we go feel the universe the universe the universe of energy cross the bridge future bound there's a

[01:08:51] flame all around from the sea to the skies there's a force beyond our eyes feel the flow here we go through the universe the universe the universe of energy of energy here it is this is good filler for dog's potty and we won't get sued for this right well yeah it's feeling the flow of the dogs peeing

[01:09:18] i bet that's what eric sings to the dog every time they have to pee oh i hope so feel the flow for those of you who love audio directly from a person's phone there we go there it is there we go of energy come through time set the course oh i have good news since we're filling

[01:09:46] time yeah i passed a cognitive test that my doctor gave oh banana apple tv yeah yeah that's that's good news right well he said to me which one of these is a giraffe and i pointed to the giraffe yeah and the other the other animals were uh a smaller giraffe a giraffe with a long shorter head

[01:10:13] shorter neck a swimming giraffe and a flying giraffe and i pointed to the one that was a regular giraffe and he was like okay next one i'm gonna give you a series of numbers you tell me what happens next so it was five six really and i said nine ten eleven it's like good job wow you know dan if you pass that two or three more times you can be president

[01:10:45] that would but that would also mean that my doctor would need to see that i need to take it three or four more times yeah that that says more than yeah that's a awfully high bar that's right oh my goodness well congratulations on passing why did you take it thank you uh the doctor was

[01:11:07] concerned oh wow what did you say or do that would well what he said is sir i'm worried to the podcast clearly he said you might be too mentally aware i think i think you might be too much of a genius we need to give you this test wow and i said oh okay thank you and so they they i offered

[01:11:32] they offered to wheel me over but i said no i like the way the paper flaps in the back as and my exposed but it tickles my exposed but as i walk there myself with with the iv drip connected so that the bruises on my hands don't show oh interesting yeah we're working on

[01:12:00] wow all right my doctor said that my doctor said the bruises are too attractive so that's it i missed out on something we you could maybe leave it in we went through the lyrics of both songs energy and the universe of energy feel the flow we played a little bit of it and dan shared that he passed his cognitive test that his doctor gave him and we said if you pass three or four more times

[01:12:25] you could be president oh i said that my concern there is that my doctor might not be concerned enough to give it to me three more times that's right um all right let's uh let's speed this along i'm my uh i only got so much more bandwidth um okay everybody so if you want to feel that feeling all the time spectrum internet spectrum cable

[01:12:54] um okay your attention please and we're back okay now let us talk about the ride dan let us explain roger rabbit's cartoon spin well no q sorry q q q q yeah oh gosh because the q is long um so what it's okay here we go what's supposed to be uh it's the backstage of martin maroon cartoon studio a working animation studio where

[01:13:20] tunes are contract actors guests walk through loading dock dressing rooms dick re i mean this is the reason people this is the reason people tune in you don't have to go fast on this part yeah come on dan yeah yeah eloquence here yeah and then part of it part of it is you get scenes and details uh you see bongo the bongo the gorilla so this is backstage at maroon cartoon studios

[01:13:46] so first of all you see what happens first you look at the building okay somewhere in between somewhere between these two modes no no we're getting there and then you're like 45 minutes that's crazy it looks like there's no minutes that's right and then you walk in and you're like this is such a short line then you walk like 10 feet and all of a sudden it's like oh okay but surely this isn't

[01:14:15] going to be the longest ride of my life or longest line of my life and uh no um so you go through the back alley of uh maroon cartoon studio a little peephole opens up and it's bongo the gorilla saying hey remember me from the movie um and then you go into uh you also see kathleen turner you hear

[01:14:38] kathleen turner's voice behind frosted glass a shadow moves uh fun fact that might be lena hyena and it's not just a rabbit uh as you go through actual film props of dip barrels there's uh tune patrol shadows in the upper window uh plotting to dip the city um there's plenty license plates

[01:15:02] everywhere uh one is i am late l8 uh another one tell me if you can figure this one out cap 10 hook anyone captain hook good uh another one three little pigs three little pigs okay no one that's three little pigs um so it why is it so long this was designed

[01:15:29] before fast pass um it was built to absorb weights indoors with entertainment and it was i think the first at least at disneyland to do that yeah this is pre-indiana jones right anywhere yeah pre-indiana jones um so they wanted to have and it wasn't even we need to get you you know across the berm to a giant show building it was we are actually expecting the weight to be this long and we need space for it

[01:15:59] um entertain the guests so they're not going back and forth in stanchions and right and to this day it's still pretty long um and it's consistently create praised as one of the most entertaining cues in the park uh and yeah it is still popular usually wait times are between 30 and 60 minutes and that's for a ride that's nightly closed for firework fallout in alana rebuilt around mickey

[01:16:24] that's notable um there's of course the balcony to nowhere which we don't get to in our queue notes but thank you ai for doing that um let's see what else um oh uh as you go by the ink and paint club uh they are they're playing uh what's the song i had the sound had the song uh

[01:16:49] the hungarian rhapsody no no that's the other one uh you can paint the song that that oh yeah that is played um it took itself out of the notes anyway they have you walk by the ink and paint club and you hear the tunes that's the song daffy daffy and uh donald were playing

[01:17:13] playing piano right and that song actually follows you into the ride itself which is cool it plants a little seed and it says okay now we're going to use the song that everyone knows and is um associated with wacky tune stuff that's great um that's kind of it i mean without going into every little tiny detail that's kind of that's kind of it okay so in terms of that i'm gonna i'm gonna say

[01:17:42] i i remember this queue i really like it we don't go on it very often on account of the 45 minutes piece of it all um but the the innovation of the queue and the bongo behind the you know the the little peephole and the the shadow work with the the frosted glass and the the ink and paint club that just the nod to the movie like you know very immersive you feel like you're outside uh i'm

[01:18:05] gonna give the queue for roger rabbit four points all right hello the song is hungarian rhapsody number yeah i was gonna say dan you were correct it is hungarian rhapsody and you don't have to play the point sound the number of points i awarded it hello hello okay eric take it away okay the queue uh so the the the main premise behind

[01:18:36] uh cosmic rewind is that uh peter quill went to epcot when he was a kid and he totally remembers everything about it and doesn't say anything weird uh and uh the the basically the uh the zandarians um have come

[01:19:00] to make their own uh their own pavilion to introduce their culture to earth yeah so the the premise is or the shoehorning of it is that you have the world showcase that has the norway pavilion and the france pavilion so this is meant to be the zandar pavilion right this is the zand wonders of zandar pavilion right um it's a cultural exchange between earth

[01:19:30] and the very advanced people from wherever they are and uh yeah you know it seemed to be a pavilion yeah so dan no no different than having norway or mexico or whatever it's just a different planet not just a different country in this planet it's a different planet having their entry into the world showcase but it has nothing to do it's nowhere near the world showcase is true

[01:19:56] it's about as far away from it as you can get yeah but it's in what used to be future world yes and i's now world discovery world discovery yes um so it's not necessarily just a line they do have a lot of little exhibits in there so they've got uh murals of and and it kind of reminds you of of

[01:20:22] your museum experiences where they've got these these little dioramas of zandar and things that you remember seeing from the first movie in particular uh where we actually see zandar uh there is a whole section in the center where when you first walk in where they're talking about the uh you know the big

[01:20:47] bang and the the you know the beginning of the universe and how our planets have have evolved similarly uh there is a lot about the nova core they they have uh exhibits about the ranks of the nova core from the movies they've got uniforms they've got uh they've got all of these big monitors where people

[01:21:14] are are talking to you about zandar and about the nova core that makes it feel like this is this is them literally telling us about their culture uh there's a little bit more about uh about the guardians because um in in some cases uh the nova core don't get the details right about earth

[01:21:42] and uh they we start to see the guardians of the galaxy showing up in things and they're talking about how they're you know the guardians of the galaxy look they've they've saved us so many times and yeah there's like news reports and that sort of thing right right yeah so i i'm skipping ahead a little bit but but i'm getting more and more sort of feeling that you know one would argue that the

[01:22:09] matterhorn is to um expedition everest as space mountain is to guardians but the more we're talking about this it feels like more of a spiritual successor to roger rabbit because if you think about the queue and sort of the the immersion into that environment you know your experience that environment and and had they had the hologram technology they have in guardians that back then

[01:22:34] that would have been the shadow on frosted glass right because it wouldn't have had screens or whatever yeah i i think that's fair that i mean that's kind of the way we went with this even though they they do both of these rides do spin they do have a ton of nods to the movies that they're based on right the ip that they're based on yeah and then you have the whole let's take this one technology

[01:22:58] in a roller coaster in this case or in cartoon spins case the dark ride and let's add another element so let's add a teacup to it and they're like well we can't control the narrative this way so how do we do this same thing and be able to control the narrative and that's where the guardians thing comes in so after a fashion is these are you know clearly very much in not directly inspired by

[01:23:22] but the technology is inspired by what roger was introducing i think couldn't put a teacup thing on a roller coaster that would be like yeah recipe for but it's it's it's a it's an omnimover meets roller coaster right yeah anyway sorry but yeah you know

[01:23:44] it's there's a lot of really good stuff in there and we've got appearances as jimmy mentioned from begrudging big time actors i feel like chris pratt was into it end of the list maybe yeah but yeah you know it's it it they're they're actually appearing in the queue

[01:24:11] and they're talking about what they did and they're talking like jessica rabbit appeared in the queue and you know in in theory daffy and donald appeared in the queue and uh bongo appeared in the queue that kind of thing right you know it's the characters you want to see yeah and they're actually there and they're on well they're not actually there they're on video there's no there are no animatronics on this

[01:24:35] anymore um sorry dan but i'm not the one we'll get to the actual ride but uh but yeah you know it there's a lot to see in the queue and if if the queue is moving if you're if you're moving at a normal pace you can take some time to kind of take it in and it really does feel like

[01:25:00] like an old museum it does it's it feels very much like a museum and what's interesting about that is that i don't love museums you know we go to them and i appreciate what they are but this is they just don't speak to me and i'm immediately put off by it you know what i mean yeah there's there's stuff to look at which is nice you know thanks roger rabbit or rides like that that kind

[01:25:26] of give you something to do while you're standing around but i just don't care oh i don't know that i care about the zanderians i i loved the old museum vibe of like miniatures and yeah they did a great job and i'm not saying it's bad i just that's just that's a me personally that's my thing i love museums it is interesting and this isn't okay yeah this is me trying to win the argument but it's not

[01:25:50] purely that it's it's it's almost like they made a pavilion but the way that they themed the it's like okay let's let's let's commit to the bit the zandarians come and they build a pavilion and it one might wonder okay well if they were to do this in world showcase would we still have universe of energy and would world showcase actually be more dynamic and interesting but i'm

[01:26:16] not going to go there oops it is dead and it's almost like the pavilion that these zandarians built was like the most boring epcot world showcase yeah it does feel like that you're right but it fits i mean think about universe of energy yeah it would it yes it we'll get there when we get to the area impact i think but um the whole museum of it all is very well executed it's so well executed

[01:26:41] that i'm put off by it because it's a museum because you're like i don't want to see a museum like when i go to a museum we do a lot of national parks we do a lot of travel like we always go to the visitor center and the visitor center inevitably has some kind of museumy aspect of whatever that thing is and the first thing i always want to do is go see the video i want to watch the video of this thing tell me the story of it i don't want to look at artifacts yeah go sit on the bench and watch the the video there's some dumb tree here's an animal that doesn't exist anymore but anyway so

[01:27:10] then then eric we move to the good part that okay so do you want me to go through the pre-show and everything too yeah yeah i suppose that's that's part that is more that is part of the queue that's right yeah so the pre-show the good part as jimmy says unless you had more about the museum that you wanted to get to i'm not trying no no i mean it's i i like the way it's set up they they're their talk this they're they're really leaning into the concept to say here's here's our culture here's

[01:27:39] you know here's the security force that we have and here are the types of ships we have and here's one of our here's a diorama of one of our cities and all that good stuff so i like that um yeah they go through all the ranks of the nova core like you said it's very well executed clearly james gunn was involved in some capacity oh yeah yeah yeah yeah uh but then we get to the the pre-show so you

[01:28:07] you you get to the first pre-show which um has glenn close as nova prime she explains uh the purpose of this pavilion uh i can no longer watch this without realizing that she's looking off into the corner at a teleprompter but props she was not under any contractual agreement no no she didn't need to

[01:28:37] do this so it's great that she's there i'm gonna i'm just gonna interject actresses i'm gonna interject a point for um low budget meryl street being in this low but you you can't call glenn close low budget meryl we already talked about this we've done this yeah i love that idea and she's not she's not meryl street that's she's not meryl street i do sometimes get them confused but i love i love glenn

[01:29:03] close but uh but yeah she's very formal uh it's it's structured you know she's she's talking to you about what's what's happening here and then we uh then we switch to uh terry cruz we move into a new room right we move into a new room not yet terry cruz comes on before we move to the new terry cruz comes on before we move into the new room because he comes up and that's where he's doing the what do

[01:29:31] they call themselves epcotians no no no no so so it's glenn close room then then the light wall turns into a wall again it's not a screen anymore uh-huh and then you move into the room and he's trying to figure out what they're called and you got to let me know when they come in no no it's still in the same room is it same room yeah okay yeah um because yeah the next room you see

[01:29:56] him after after the transformation but yeah terry cruz is is like well what do they call themselves you know epcotians welcome epcotians epcotarians yeah and yeah that's when he's like you gotta tell me when i'm on and um yeah you see you you get to see two famous people doing doing a thing yeah by the way point for terry cruz because he's fantastic oh yeah it works great i love that idea

[01:30:27] yeah he's he's super fun uh so then you go into the next room and uh you have to basically stand in the center of the room yes this is a fantastic um effect oh my goodness it's so good go into a room it's like a teleportation thing dan and you're going to be teleported up to their spaceship which

[01:30:50] is above epcot in space right um i have a portable hull so whatever oh well so so yeah so you stand in the middle of the room and they tell you to look up at the the the lights on the ceiling so it's kind of it it's reminiscent of uh flight of passage where they're flashing lights at you so you can't see the

[01:31:10] walls move right and suddenly the walls disappear and you're in you're on a spaceship eric right you've you've been oh that's right they disappear because you got teleported yes you disappear that's why yeah that's right yes you disappear and you appear in a different place so they flash a bunch of lights so your eyes kind of need to adjust to that light they turn all the lights off so they can see you're

[01:31:34] still kind of blinded by the light revved up like a fly in that room sorry if there's ever a fly in that room it's a whole different ride right sorry go ahead um anyway so so you blinded by the light and then so you don't see the walls wrapped up like a deuce i know that's what i was trying to say and cut me off oh sorry i'm sorry um except i said revved up like a douche because that's the real

[01:32:01] lyrics um okay so so tell us what where do the walls go up do you know how this works i don't actually um eric paul i don't want to i don't want to ruin it okay it's such a good effect it's so quiet quiet you don't hear anything because they're of course blasting music and and sound effects at you but it's

[01:32:24] so fast it just goes up is what i understand i know i know how the portable hole works it's a mirror go ahead oh well um but yeah suddenly you're you're on a spaceship and you're being presented with the mcguffin the uh the the thing that is stolen um so you you get to see the guardians you get to

[01:32:53] look out into space on a giant screen um you're now like a participant in this you're not just observing what's going on and one of the celestials takes the thing and it's like an energy thing yes the so this is this is the device that that creates um basically wormholes or or

[01:33:19] uh jump points that's what they're called points between between places and that's that's something that is in the marvel universe because of guardians where this is how you travel between long distances so this is the device that makes it happen but then the celestial isan shows up and says

[01:33:42] humanity is a pestilence and i'm going to get rid of it and steals the generator the cosmic generator and goes back it says i'm going back in time to the big bang we're going to restart this whole thing he's basically like the dad from that twisted sister uh music video you kids with your rock music that's

[01:34:09] right and not to derail again but presumably his relative is growing inside of earth at this time this is true yes so yeah he's getting rid of the planet where his relative is i haven't thought about that but i just thought about it just now but everybody loves the eternals maybe not but everybody loves the eternals and that that uh celestial was referenced in uh captain america brave new world

[01:34:38] yeah you're correct um oh and i should i should mention i i didn't go i didn't bring this up in the initial uh history of the whole thing the reason why we have the guardians of the galaxy in epcot is because it's one of the few properties from marvel that we can use yeah on the east coast earlier yeah okay oh you did you did talk about that brief synopsis okay well yes anyway okay

[01:35:06] anyway never mind and this is the animatronics none of them none of them are animatronics there's a cool effect where the thing steals the because you can see the energy or the whatever the jump point generator in the room and then the celestial takes it and you it's a cool effect yeah because it's not it's very cool um this is the room where everybody who knows what they're doing starts to go to the

[01:35:32] right i was just about to bring that up because no initially initially everybody stands in the center of the room and you watch the video but now um everybody crowds around the doors because they know when the doors are going to open and no one pays any attention to the pre-show that's right and no one cares you know the people who have never seen it before versus the people who

[01:35:55] have yeah yeah and so everybody crowds around the doors the doors open up there's more queue so it's one of those weird things where you've just been through a large amount of queue and now you've been batched into two separate rooms and now you're entering yet another queue that's right and this is where you get very reminiscent of space mountain because yes in in disneyland because there's loading on both

[01:36:23] sides you enter from the center and you get you know peeled off to the right or the left yeah so you just walk through the queue and at this point they've got some you know now that we're being evacuated from you know the the story is we're being evacuated from the space station um and we're gonna help the the guardians of the galaxy uh we have to stand in line for a little while and then get on to

[01:36:50] yeah it's so it's so frustratingly um not demoralizing it's not the right word but it's like okay queue and then glen close and then the thing and there's really cool effect and it's like all right we gotta go go go go and then you stand in line for 20 minutes you just gotta like it you you're in it and it's like oh we there's this urgency we gotta get there and instead of like racing to get on your ship like in my head i've been standing here for 20 minutes that guy's already

[01:37:19] he's already screwed everything up with the big oh yeah yeah he destroyed the jump points closed like 20 minutes ago dude what are we doing there are all these not waiting there are all these other people who are the only people who can save them that's right that's another thing yeah you're the only people and these other thousands of people um anyway i don't like that part of it i wish they would kind of space it out a little bit more so it's in batches and so you're loading in batches also just would feel better because it's just that kind of that energy dies out when you're

[01:37:49] just standing around but yeah but you mean like 50 more riders per hour doing it this way i believe they do uh i would like to also give a point for that uh that really cool effect um the it's the the the walls disappearing effect is really cool and it's very impactful it's it's it's i love that idea it's the it it's so impressive every time i see it yeah it's one of those things i'm not

[01:38:16] trying to go ahead it is one of those things for me it was a concept that i learned about while researching the indiana jones ride and you guys give me crap about the the the christmas morning effect but but the idea is disney is very good at taking you from a confined space into a large space and the impact that has it's true on indiana jones it's true on you know all the most rides like this

[01:38:42] especially newer rides in queues where you go from a kind of a cramped space into a big open space is that big reveal and that's the effect that this thing has it feels a very tight room and then it's just this massive space and it feels so much more impactful same thing on like rise of the resistance with the at-at walkers you know what i mean yeah um i'm at i'm gonna yeah thank you i was i really that bothered me i don't care um so i'm not i promise i'm not trying to be a debate lord here

[01:39:10] what is the conceit that like why are you going what's the conceit of the reason you're getting on the ride according to the story well you're going to the museum and they're going to transport you to one of it's an information exchange so you're learning about their culture they're going to bring you to their spaceship to show you that technology so it's like alien encounter minus the implication that they're going to eat you i got that yeah yeah fair yeah then then a bad guy shows

[01:39:38] up okay and in the pre-show and the guardians of the galaxy show up to say oh we'll help you fight the bad guy but we also need your help to evacuate and also fight the bad guy very much your hands cone scan yes and you have to help us for some reason got it so i said it didn't give a point for that no i know okay thank you okay just curious

[01:40:08] yeah all right yeah the whole the whole point is is the museum and then for some reason bad things happen and so it's not just like comparison it's not just like you go to toontown cab company and get on a cab true it's may as well be but yeah what's what's what's the what's benny's cousin's name is it lenny cousin lenny lenny okay yeah lenny the cab you're writing lenny

[01:40:37] not benny because you see benny in the ride yeah true exactly oh but we're getting ahead of ourselves oh good lord two hours okay um let's uh let's move on to uh the ride itself dan roger rabbit's cartoon spin okay uh so first of all you control a spin which gives you agency and that's awesome um you do not have to spin you have that option however physics exists and the

[01:41:05] thing will spin kind of ambiently from time to time but guess what you have the steering wheel in front of you and you can just kind of course correct if you don't want to spin uh we're all big boys and girls and nbs we can handle that on our own um or you can just spin like crazy and you're disoriented and there's all sorts of things around you that uh contribute to that um so you go through

[01:41:32] the ride you start off in the uh toontown cab company because you're just getting a cab for toontown that's that's the entire conceit but the the queue kind of gets you ready for this idea of there's like this criminal organization this underbelly and this maniac is making something called the dip and very first thing you i believe it's like one of your tires or maybe two of your tires kind of like

[01:41:59] edge into the dip and then all of a sudden you can start spinning okay there we go we're there that's that's the story and then you first go into bolina's china shop neither of those terms are racist i have checked several times um and bull in a china shop yeah um that's and you spend yeah and you're spinning

[01:42:21] around yeah point for the pun bolina's china shop hello um and you're also spinning in a cab in a shop and the bull is holding all this all the the china in her hooves i guess and on her anyway no those words are problematic i've checked exactly and then you go through the sort of back alley and

[01:42:48] all the mailbox is spinning the uh the the the light the electric lines are giggling everything is everything has a face just like all those old tunes everything has a personality everything has a face unless it doesn't suit us like it does in the china shop that would be ridiculous so we all know how stories work and then you go into i believe the next stop is the i'm just going off the dome here

[01:43:13] the next stop is the um electrical place where the factory where evil they the evil making factory um where they make evil and you can spin around and there's a thing going warning warning danger danger so that you know you're in danger and everything has a face the machines have a space you're spinning have a have a face you're spinning there's electric things you've seen before in science shops are not spinning if you want uh you are then i believe roger rabbit is captured by one of

[01:43:43] the weasels roger rabbit is then is then captured by one of the weasels um and is attached to what looks like it's some sort of an electric torture device and he gets electrocuted and so do you presumably his spin his tie spins whimsically and there's uh so that's that's one other animatronic on top of all the others that have happened um are they good animatronics no they're not

[01:44:11] super articulated but they exist and then you go into an explosion room which is reminiscent of uh mr toad's wild ride which is also a precursor to this ride uh and strobe lights happen loud loud sounds happen but it's updated from uh toad technology then you fall into downtown toontown

[01:44:35] because apparently the explosion shot you up into the air and you are going that high because that's how big the explosion was just like in cartoons and then you fall and you go through a uh what's the ceiling uh window uh skylight you go through a skylight that's right into uh what looks like a stairwell an apartment stairwell and you see roger rabbit on the wall

[01:45:04] because you are supposedly you're oriented differently because you're falling down so he is he's looking up at you and things transition to you being right side up again you are then in the uh gag factory or all sorts of gags happen and hungarian rhapsody number two is playing not bohemian rhapsody which is the thing i almost said and there's all sorts of props jumping out at

[01:45:29] you you got pies you have um what are other wacky things you have uh but let's say bananas for the sake of argument uh there's a calliope playing you know how much we love calliope is on this show and there's also a very very not sexy jessica rabbit who we also see before now here's i do not like the change that they made to jessica rabbit because first of all it implies that i guess

[01:45:58] people were masturbating on the ride oh lord or they were afraid that people might or they're they're thinking that like a character or a person who like chooses to present themselves in a certain way is like immediately probably problematic which almost feels like more sexist than what they were trying to do

[01:46:25] she has agency she's she's a strong woman in that movie like the line i'm not bad i'm just drawn that way is carrying a lot of conceptual weight and i think i think it's super insulting to everybody across the board nobody wins when you put jessica rabbit in a trench coat yeah okay the perverts who don't know how to find you know actual porn they lose jessica rabbit loses and that's really the main

[01:46:52] thing i realize this sounds like a ridiculous argument and shoehorned whatever but this is just putting it out there i think it's more about concerned moms than it is about pervert guys i think it's more about concerned moms having their children see cleavage in a disney ride i think that's more about that than it is about perverts i i i get it i just think they're really focusing on

[01:47:14] the wrong thing and i think that the in the effect is that they're they're it's it's i don't want to say it's the pirates not selling women effect you know it's like it's yeah it's that energy but i feel like the net effect is opposite of what the intent is because it's basically saying like ladies

[01:47:38] just don't be too sexy okay well in in this is a very weak defense but in the defense at the end of the movie isn't jessica wearing a trench coat when she hits roger over the head with a frying pan no well i mean i think she is i don't i mean she is for like a scene but that's not but she's still

[01:48:02] this is the only this is the only depiction of jessica we get in the ride yeah yeah okay um it's it's it's it's a weird move i just anyway i don't want to get too much into yeah it feels unnecessary and the the addition of it also points in a direction where it's like wait this wasn't a problem but it's now weird that you did that anyway um so then you go there and you're think

[01:48:29] it are we supposed to think it's a problem now exactly right um uh so then you go through the tune factory things uh you know pop out at you it's whimsical it's wacky you're spinning or not uh there's a lot of props that you recognize from uh tunes in general like an elephant above something that it could possibly destroy wacky things like that you get captured by the weasels

[01:48:59] uh they put you in a crate and you hear moving sounds and apparently you end up somewhere else and i think it's the we i think it's the weasels layer it's no it's the the thing it's the climactic scene from the movie you end up in that factory in the acme factory yes okay uh and then so that's where you go in the crate crate opens up you go out you're spinning spinning spinning and then

[01:49:25] the one of the the lead weasel has he's driving the dip machine that uh judge doom almost called him dr doom uh made and he implies that he's about to blast you with um dip and then all of a sudden roger rabbit's in the corner he saves your ass by saying hey i found a portable hole and it's a gag

[01:49:50] it's a it's a very small gag from the movie but it's a major plot point in this ride and he's holding what looks like a giant hole and you can see the wall behind it it's a mirror i know how mine works and then his arm seems to comically and whimsically extend like cartoons often do with the hole it goes against the wall and you return to the taxi station yep so point for that effect because i i don't know

[01:50:19] how it works and it's really cool because the hole gets bigger doesn't it it just feels like the hole gets bigger it might i think perspective it might yeah it might appear i think it's a really cool effect um also you said there were actual props from the movie in the ride my notes did yes i see so and we're assuming it's the dip uh the dip uh drum that has a dent in it because judge doom kicked it

[01:50:47] christopher lloyd dented dented it christopher dented wow uh are we just assuming this is correct or am i giving you a point because it's correct i mean i that i think it's i did i ran this through several fact checks i didn't make it up yeah okay all right point for that hello i like the actual prop um are there actual props in the queue of the ride is actual nova core uniform from the movie

[01:51:17] unverified i don't know if they're actually from the movie i mean they are actual uniforms yeah but i don't know if they're from the movie um and we know there aren't any actual props in the right all right so okay dan moving on to eric to cause guardians of the galaxy cosmic rewind because jimmy wants to eat

[01:51:44] well i don't want to if there's something else to say for you know to complete the argument i want to make sure everybody has a chance all right well um all right so uh when you finally get through uh cue number two after cue number one and two batch room um this is yeah it's cue number one

[01:52:09] shows two pre-shows cue number two cue number two you head downstairs or you head down ramp and you get onto uh one of your ride vehicles and the ride vehicles are regular um nothing nothing nothing to nothing too it's a roller coaster train yeah it's a roller coaster it's fine

[01:52:35] uh so you you head out you head out a little little gently uh the tunnel shows you a little video of uh rocket raccoon telling you hey we're gonna go someplace and then you kind of you head uphill and

[01:53:00] dan has been laughing about this for a while but your your vehicle turns around dan can you believe it can you believe that as you head around the corner all of the cars on this omni coaster

[01:53:20] that spins turns you around for a backwards launch what yeah yes yeah i don't know if you could believe that such a thing exists but it does and you get to watch a giant wall video of esam the uh

[01:53:45] the guy who's going to destroy that's going back to the big bang yeah he's going you followed him to the big bang through the jump point so it's good that they talked about the big bang in the cue okay that's right yes yeah yeah so he's he's going to destroy the universe by going back to the big bang and uh the guardians of the galaxy approach in the milano their famous ship named after Alyssa Milano

[01:54:11] mm-hmm okay i like that with the trench not the not the cookies correct yeah but she has a trench coat on yes right in our minds yes yes in our minds alissa milano is wearing a trench coat so dan since you haven't been on the ride and and just so what happens you go forward then you go through the jump

[01:54:35] point then you get to a point where your car your cars turn around yes and then i've seen isan yeah isan is saying he's going to take us back to the big bang and we're gonna change things and uh peter quill says you're not gonna stop rock and roll from existing it doesn't isan whatever whatever his

[01:54:59] name is doesn't he make a comment about oh that noise that's playing no oh no he doesn't he doesn't complain like your grandpa i think he i think he does he does he does he does i think he does really i think he does and i think whatever i think that's when watching some videos of it i think that's the where i was just like okay this is dumb i don't think that happens yeah i think he said like what's

[01:55:29] that noise yeah i don't i don't think he says anything all right we'll fact check and uh pass show correction okay uh okay so so then the explosion of the big bang forces your vehicle back right so you launch backwards um it's it's a backwards launch okay got it dan it's a backwards launch have you ever

[01:55:56] heard of a backwards launch no okay let's move on come on it's like a launch but it's backwards okay okay sideways launch should be all about no no backwards that's that's too far too far backwards yeah yeah come on you're hitting head don't be ridiculous neighbor like the clacky ball thing or like the weasels and roger rabbit when they turn around there you go yeah oh hey there you go lesson learned oh wow

[01:56:28] oh my goodness keep going uh okay so you launch backwards and a song starts playing yes one of seven yeah right yes because i'm an annual pass holder can i ask to wait for my favorite song i think it's random i think it is it's unless it's unless it's a certain day in september

[01:56:54] that's right yeah which by the way is the best of the songs to play to write through having gone i i do have to say i really like iran and everybody wants to rule the world but september is the one that i i think eric what you just said is a really good setup for a joke about world politics but i'm not going to

[01:57:16] go there okay okay i don't so what happens in the ride so what happens in the ride do you want to hear about do you want to hear the songs or do you want to hear the ride what i want to hear well first let's talk about the songs what are they okay we've said the songs the songs are september earth wind and fire disco inferno the tramps not my favorite conga gloria stefan yeah the worst favorite it's the

[01:57:44] worst one yeah uh it's like getting um on mission breakout uh uh born to be wild i don't mind that one no okay yeah everybody wants to rule the world tears for fears i ran so far away flock of seagulls one way or another blondie that's a good one too yeah that's pretty good yeah uh so the the song

[01:58:12] really like these songs really do kind of change the way the ride feels depending on which one you get so it's like spinning or not changes the roger rabbit yeah you can control that yeah yeah you can't control this um so there's a little more chaos in yours okay fine uh but yeah so your your car

[01:58:40] shoots uh so there's a backwards launch i don't know if i've mentioned backwards launch i'm about to hang up on this podcast oh my goodness uh but yeah as you turn through the entire thing uh there it basically the the the vehicle the right vehicle does turn as you go and it usually kind of

[01:59:07] turns you in a way that's like contrary to the movement that you're making so if the track is going to the right you might be turning to the left uh it focuses you on on i guess uh what let's just be honest that what little there is to look at in the right so but what's the story of

[01:59:33] the rides you big bang you explode you launch backwards um what's happening how are you getting back to epcot um i don't know okay great yeah i think they just show up and say okay the ride's done now well no there's actually a story and they're talking to you throughout the thing yeah but i just don't remember how you get points and stuff they're jump points that's right you're getting jump points

[02:00:01] through time i guess to get back to earth and and so i have to say this is one of the best roller coaster rides of all time it is oh yeah incredibly smooth people do have some nausea associated with it just like they would with roger rabbit control it or not um it is a fantastic ride and yeah

[02:00:26] and and the one thing i'll say eric is that it tells a good story it's very smooth it's a very fun fast exciting roller coaster i really like the innovation of the ride vehicle i'm not going to give it a point because i think that they share innovation um but the the thing that i can't get past is when you're circling the moon and then circling the earth you like quite literally looking at a

[02:00:52] a a craft fair ball on a stick and you can see the floor yeah it's very obvious that it's just a a prop is there a sign on it that says moon that's right yeah it's it yeah it's it's all projection effects onto large balls yeah and it's i mean it doesn't that's not the point of the ride it's just

[02:01:15] it's just try harder imagineers do better yeah the the feeling of the ride is incredible yeah it's phenomenal it it's it it feels so great the way it spins you around and you're it's so smooth and it's so it works in so well with every one of the songs yeah um i i think i've i've had every one of

[02:01:41] these songs at some point and for dan and for the listener who haven't been on the ride it doesn't spin you around it turns turns you to point you at focal points it's not you're not like spinning around right you're looking at here's here is the earth here is a bunch of stars here is a jump point

[02:02:02] that you're driving through um flying sure but yeah it it yeah it's it's it's designed to point you at the thing so it's not like it's not like cartoon spin where you're just like spinning in circles it's not like the you know yeah it's it's designed to point you at things that they're they want you to

[02:02:32] see there's just not a lot to see because it's a roller coaster you're moving too fast in fairness in fairness and i was going to go there in a non-argumentive way but eric kind of poked the the bear there a little bit there are focal points to look at in cartoon spin yes it's just saying we're gonna let you continue spinning if you want to do that that's yeah and and until they you know

[02:02:59] you're at the end like it's you can't control it until you go in the dip and then you cannot control it anymore right kind of like in uh in buzz light when roger saves you right right yeah they all have a start and stop point yeah so okay and then you end up back at epcot and the guardians have a screen and they tell you how great you did right drax says something snarky yeah through the whole thing

[02:03:25] you get you know quotes from from the actors who were forced to record this whole thing just like mission breakout there's a runner with drax something about food and like why are you talking about food i forget it's like something about the cookie crumbles or what is it do you remember i don't know that i've heard that one yeah there's there's references that that star lord make and then

[02:03:54] tracks is like no you just said this and you've contradicted yourself because it's that like are we like this how the cookie crumbles and then you know that's all a slice of bread away i thought we're talking about cookies something oh yeah i think it's cake cake okay yeah it's cake yeah where why why aren't we talking where's this cake oh yeah and that is a holdover from the movie

[02:04:18] something like that yeah there's there's those kinds of jokes yeah um but yeah it's the it's it's a very in some ways it's similar to um mission breakout where it's like hey they didn't do anything right yeah similar jacks kind of punch they just flew through a lot of people feel queasy after the ride and then they make you walk up and downstairs yep yeah but they've got garbage cans you can throw up

[02:04:45] into it's true they want to yeah um all right so and then there's a great gift shop there is a great gift shop but it's out you have to walk outside first right true you don't go through you don't exit through the gift shop you exit then you can enter the gift shop if you'd like correct same yeah i was gonna say the same yeah that's true yeah your your isn't yeah all right so here's where

[02:05:12] i'm i'm torn is oh land impact well i'm not there yet okay um i'm just talking about awarding points so um the ride itself is seriously one of you know we're talking about theme parks and really ultimately we're talking about rides and as a ride it is way better and i would rather go on this ride than i

[02:05:36] would i would go on roger rabbit so as a ride the actual ride experience i would award three points i love that idea steve loves that idea uh yeah it it's it's the smoothest i i mean it's between this and veloci coaster for my favorite percent i just roller coaster is the exact same

[02:06:03] thing eric they're the and hagrid haggard haggard is is also pretty great i i still if i if i had to pick two it's these two same same here if you had a third it's probably haggard yeah yeah oh absolutely coaster is just but the velocity coaster is a lot more thrilling this is more of a fun it is it's just you got a smile on your face the whole time it's just yeah it's just fun you're listening to cool

[02:06:28] you're listening to a fun song that somehow makes the ride better i like every every song that you you've got on there it does enhance just for sure yeah oh every time you know what else is fun a weasel with stars spinning over it also fun i mean listen they exist in their own universes and they they

[02:06:50] exist well in their own universes um okay let's talk about land impact dan uh land impact roger harbert's cartoon spin is part of the land meaning um it's woven into toontown the toontown cab company storefront anchors the land's interest and yeah it's like the first thing you see yeah uh the queue winds

[02:07:14] backstage through alleys which then develops the land further in your sort of mind map of the land um so it adds to the land by being in the land and being a part of the land and within the queue it extends your awareness of the land by exploring by land i mean it's the toontown is from this movie yes yeah um so before the ride to town was just meet and greet houses now it's a coherent

[02:07:43] land with an anchor that is adult friendly adjacent it's not a thrill ride but it can be very thrilling if you spin it very quickly um so basically cartoon sports the land uh cosmic rewind i would argue is the land wonders of xandar pavilion exists solely to house the coaster universe of energy building was hollowed out no broader theming it's just a marble peg inside of in of in the epcot round

[02:08:13] hole and that's about it um yeah so so i think that the for me well first can you see the massive show building from anywhere in the park never oh you mean like roger rabbit i'm gonna i'm gonna get there actually can't you can't you cannot okay okay got it um so i would argue that the the the ride

[02:08:39] is the land and that it's roger rabbit in toontown so what i would have preferred is it though now because maybe not anymore railway maybe not anymore but but what i'm what i'm similar to star tours and you exit star tours into batu i think this ride should be the front or like unentrance and then you exit the ride ends in toontown and you walk out and you're in toontown i think that'd be cooler

[02:09:06] well but it's incorporated into the downtown district of toontown no i get it i just i think it'd be you know that fun reveal if you walk out and you see the big toontown mountains and all that stuff anyway okay it doesn't detract from anything i'm not saying it's a negative right right wouldn't it be cool if um but it's also by the way all the way also by the way toontown and by extension this ride didn't replace anything it was it was an addition not a subtraction or a replacement yeah

[02:09:36] um so i don't know as far as the i think it's very integral to the land um it maybe it used to be the anchor i think rip mickey and minis is now the anchor i think you know roger abbott's more of like the train at the entrance of disneyland and then you know but anyway i i think it uh has a very big impact land-wise and it is the first thing you see when you walk up that hill i think in fairness i think

[02:10:02] you might be thinking of it from the point of view of somebody who knows that roger rabbit is an interesting and important character i but i think anyone 10 or more years younger than us don't know who roger rabbit is it's just oh there's that right over there yeah and yeah what's that why is there a cab coming out of the wall yeah and it's it's almost like here's this fun extra weird thing that you

[02:10:29] didn't know you were gonna get right okay so eric you're well uh i mean there's almost nothing else going on in world discovery well you've got mission space test track is test track test i guess it is technically part of world discovery yeah i guess that's been redone um uh mission space uh most people

[02:10:55] don't care about space 220 is very interesting restaurant i i actually like going to space 220 uh the this this chunk over here is next to what used to be the wonders of life which was a whole pavilion full of attractions spend a lot of time on it yeah yeah um and and then there's the you know the

[02:11:24] universe of energy it's it you know it was a it this was a big attraction it's yes this replaced it um yes they made an even bigger show building yeah let's talk about the show building yeah let's talk about the show building for the for the listeners not been it is a massive building it's incredibly large

[02:11:48] to look like the sky effectively yeah and which is always the same color yes always the same color and i suppose when you're in the park you don't really see it you're not paying attention to it but when you have any kind of distance you can see it from miles away it is a very big building yeah that you know what other choice they have but and i suppose they do a good job when you're in the queue and you kind of forget about it when you're in the world discovery in the the front front part of the park

[02:12:16] right yeah if you are if you are near the building you won't notice it that's true across the way i will say we were we were in japan and my wife could still see that building no what no this is the point of the the argument is i said oh there's the this is when they were still building it i'm like oh

[02:12:42] there's the guardians building and my wife said where because it happened you're in the japan pavilion i thought you meant you were in the country of japan and you could still see the guardians i was in the country of japan no i was in the japan pavilion and brandy brandy said where and yeah they did a good job like certain parts of the day very much blends in yeah and and that was it you know like dan says

[02:13:12] you know it's always going to be the same color but it's kind of like disney's go away green color yeah that's fair that they do where it it just for the most part but it's like in the berm it blends no it's outside the berm is it okay they don't have a berm and i mean effectively whatever that

[02:13:38] berm would mean you know yeah but yeah it she didn't immediately notice it and i think people who are looking at it want it to to be more obtrusive than it is yeah it's not obtrusive the experience in the park it's just it's really big and very obvious it is but they do a good job if you're looking for it it's easy to see if you're not looking for it then it just blends into your

[02:14:05] point yeah i feel like at the heart of this though is sort of like saying okay they they made a move that they wouldn't have done as sloppily before they would have figured out a way to disguise the building better but it's not really as bad as i expected so that means it's good so here's so all right the bottom line is roger rabbit's cartoon spin belongs in toontown because that's where

[02:14:34] roger rabbit lives in all these cartoons so it belongs there guardians of the galaxy doesn't make sense where it is i mean where else are you going to put it question mark i think world showcase is an excellent idea actually yes a world showcase but like where the where the uh the little restaurant place is what do they call that between the odyssey and that would make more sense as a transition to

[02:15:01] world showcase maybe they physically couldn't do it but it just i don't like the fact that they really shoehorned it in and they're like well it's because peter quill went to epcot when he was a kid it's just super shoehorned so it just this maybe isn't a land impact it just doesn't make sense you don't where you don't like the basic conceit of i don't this okay i don't personally i think it's a better ride i think it's a better experience if they're side by side i go on guardians all day

[02:15:29] but because there's such disparate attractions yeah yeah there's such disparate attractions like i can't you can't really say this roller coaster's i can say this roller coaster is better than that roller coaster but it's really hard for me to say that one's not a roller coaster you know what i mean it's like how do you really decide this and the whole conceit of the show is we're trying to be objective and that's really what this boils down to is objectivity and the fact that this

[02:15:52] guardians ride doesn't make sense but you don't you you you prefer do you prefer roger rabbit's cartoon spin with a bunch of like cartoon flats and 90s 90s well i'm not saying it's not just flat colors and it's not there's a little more three-dimensional to it true um part of this and i and i gave it credit i gave them both credit for

[02:16:20] you know the spiritual successor of it all with the cue and immersion and everything i guardians is a better ride like it's hands down is a better ride and so so it would be easy to say there's no argument but that's not the point right what if then it becomes which is doing the better job at being a disney attraction this is epcot though if this were a magic kingdom that's a different story

[02:16:45] you know but this is in epcot and it's doing a very good job so epcot okay but let me throw that back at you if it's about doing the best epcot then why replace universe of energy why not replace like uh i don't know wonders of life corporate greed is the answer to that question so so i i where

[02:17:09] i'm at is the the tiebreaker because right now it's six to six the tiebreaker for me is just just this conversation about it doesn't belong it doesn't belong where it is they did a good job shoehorning it and they they logically i get why they did it but it's really just about corporate it's branding and and and getting people to go to epcot to ride this roller coaster it's

[02:17:36] awesome so you're saying that if they had taken one of the empty like world showcase pavilion pads and then put a giant warehouse behind it it would have been better for you then world showcase and you could even change it to worlds showcase like worlds you know

[02:18:00] with an s you could make that one really it would have been a really weird choice but in a way that would have been really fun interesting i think right the argument could also be next to germany yeah well you know i mean i just i obviously it wouldn't work but um it would make more sense okay so you know if you know at the same time though you know mission space goes to mars

[02:18:29] so maybe it does make sense it's intergalactic travel but mars is a real thing so is and so is and are okay can i can i help you with this because this is kind of where i'm at with my when i tried to come up with my actual argument and with knowing that i might need to do a reverse dan hates the beatles thing about how this is so you know inspirational and everything glad i didn't have to go there here's

[02:18:55] where i legitimately came down to is that the cartoon spin is kind of it's it's a symbol first of all it's the last roger rabbit thing we're gonna get which by itself is kind of cool ever yeah just for contractual reasons no they're not doing any more roger rabbit things anywhere um it's also a sort of leftover of disney a time when disney was still trying it's from a weird book

[02:19:24] with a weird rights deal they tried this ride system you know late at night on pinocchio with most likely you know cigarettes in their mouths as they spin um they attempted a physically impossible two-story layout and they were like okay well we can't do that but let's just kind of leave what we were working on um imaginers voiced their own cameo characters which is like old

[02:19:51] imagineer stuff toontown itself was a purposely ridiculous concept they had exploding mailboxes you know you know how it went this was an era when disney took risks that could fail but they still did it because the failures themselves were interesting um and as guardians is a is a is a function of today's you know yes today's version of the business is we build this because people will show up because

[02:20:18] of this ip and because of it's a lot it's this is guaranteed it's like we know people yep so all right so i i i'm i'm with you i think they're both immersive cues it's not roger rabbit's by the way our listeners are gonna hate us if we go with roger rabbit but that shouldn't stop us no no they're both immersive

[02:20:44] cues it's not roger rabbit's fault that the technology didn't exist that that right because the guardians cue is much wait wait wait are we going back to it's not disneyland's fault no no it's not it's not the ride's fault that the technology didn't exist at the time and even with the technology that exists that makes guardians more advanced you couldn't do that in roger rabbit because then you'd be out of it you know you has to have that practical effect and having the the practical characters and everything else so so i'm suggesting they both

[02:21:14] have good immersive cues of their time of their technology and of their environment um the the guardians ride is better and as a ride as a ride it's a more it's more fun and rewritable you know it's got more rewritability and so i i just don't know what else to differentiate other than saying hey it's a better ride but it doesn't fit where it belongs roger rabbit does the end

[02:21:44] that's the only impact wins for the first time i think ever i that's that's you i as always i did not go into this thinking this result i was thinking how could i possibly argue that roger rabbit holds a candle to guardians that's what i was pretty much prepared for but yeah i guess i could have given more points to the actual ride itself i didn't give any points to the roger rabbit

[02:22:10] ride i gave points to you know you know like the accessories in the ride and gags a pun you know so it's almost like guardians they said okay we need to check these boxes and wouldn't it be interesting if we did this other thing ride guardians guardians is an amazing ride but when you get down to it there's no theming in the ride other yeah i mean the theme is it's a roller coaster

[02:22:38] and you're going through yeah there's screens or whatever but you know if they added a a quill animatronic would it make it better probably not you know you're moving too fast you can't have scenery when you're moving that fast you know yeah they they did a very good job theming a roller coaster better than space mountain better than you know some of these other roller coasters yeah i i i will say just like you said i i don't like that there are two giant balls that are just

[02:23:05] yeah hosted on the floor whatever it's fine it's just it doesn't take away it just doesn't enhance right so i'm gonna say final it's just a fun ride final verdict is guardians of the galaxy is a way better ride experience but it doesn't fit therefore roger rabbit's cartoon spin is the supreme i hate you guys currently operating multi-dimensional spinning ride you can believe it hello hello

[02:23:33] i almost can't if you can believe it oh my goodness we've been doing this for almost three hours i know that's why we need to be done uh folks none of this matters it's all nonsense and you know if if our verdict is making you upset and you want to like get send us a mean comment or something please do take think think of all the other things that are happening in the world there's a lot more

[02:24:00] stuff give us five stars and then say the mean things that's right i got one of those we had a five-star review that said take off the we got a five-star review take it off something about a photo that was posted on one of our podcasts the president the president one they they want that picture removed abraham lincoln and donald trump eating spaghetti together i saw that one recently and went oh that was that was a great day good time um all right listener thanks for listening

[02:24:29] thanks for bearing with us uh that was a long one but we're we're back to verses and uh you know yeah maybe we're grasping at straws with this one but we wanted to talk about both these rides and what what better way but i think this this show in fairness to us this show is partially part of the energy is that grasping at straws thing where it's like okay well what's this ridiculous matchup and then we actually find connective tissue there because it's all it's all just you're just going on a ride

[02:24:58] it's all just fun stuff you know that's right yeah and if you know in the spirit of our objectivity that's ultimately kind of where we landed at this result because otherwise i would have just said let's let's gush about guardians for an hour and you know move on but that's anyway i'm justifying thank you both for all your research thank you for the time that you've taken to do this listener thank you for the time you've taken to listen we hope uh we hope that there are more of you out there

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[02:27:30] i muted myself how's that okay how's that for a for an easter egg stop blowing your microphone that's exactly why a little hand blower we don't know why he has it and why he's using it so much it's because i have to clean the fuel inlet of my car and i have learned that if you get hold on

[02:27:53] you don't keep your car in your bedroom do you if this does turn into an easter egg it's going to be informative if you have a capless uh gas thing basically if you have a ford um there's a point where the thing gets gummy and dirty and you have to uh like clean it otherwise it'll not get a good

[02:28:23] fuel and you get a thing on your dashboard that says check engine and then it goes away after it figures out that your engine's fine and then a thing will come up saying uh check fuel inlet and then you go on youtube and you find car people and you say how do i do that and apparently you have to

[02:28:47] buy one of these or find that it came with the car good luck with that you put it in the inlet and you you you uh well you jerk it off so you put it so first you put it in the inlet and it'll open up the thing and you get wd-40 and you spray around the edges of this thing not not not

[02:29:11] lubricate the thing you're thrusting into your car yes you want to apply lubrication that stick into the hole of the car vigorously uh inserting you're penetrating the gas hole the gas so you don't want to put the loop into the tank no you want to put on the outside you want to put it on the outside so it slides into the gas hole if my hand is the the gas hole you penetrate it like that

[02:29:41] real quick and then i'm gonna turn my microphone off for this part well i can't okay so then you get you get a compressed air which i was your hair dryer i was gonna buy a can of compressed air but i realized that these things exist which you just charge them and they'll it's compressed air forever

[02:30:01] and you go like this and it blows all the gunk and then once again you take the gas hole and you go like yeah so you go like that again so you blow it you blow you blow it only after you stick it into

[02:30:25] the gas hole yes but it still needs to be properly lubricated by the wd-40 and then you wipe off you you gotta get a towel or some tissues towel or an old tube sock yeah yeah and then you get a towel and you wipe off all the brown and all the lubricated brown residue thank you for listening

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