The Case of TSR Forward

[00:00:00] Welcome to the Supreme Resort, Land V World, a podcast about Disneyland and Walt Disney

[00:00:22] World and which is the Supreme Resort.

[00:00:26] Each episode we will discuss and explore each resort ride by ride, land by land, park by

[00:00:31] park to determine which is better.

[00:00:35] I'm your host Jimmy and thank you for joining me on this quest to help the greater good

[00:00:38] of humanity answer this long elusive question, which is better Disneyland or Walt Disney

[00:00:43] World. Joining me as always is Dan.

[00:00:47] Hi, I'm Dan. I think it's really important.

[00:00:49] I just want to say this is of a table.

[00:00:53] I think spectrum is the best that you can get from cable for spectrum is there's so

[00:01:02] much irony in that, Dan, if you only knew from our end because I presume you're talking

[00:01:08] about spectrum cable.

[00:01:09] We heard every other word.

[00:01:10] Okay.

[00:01:12] Eric is also here.

[00:01:13] Hi Eric.

[00:01:14] How do you feel about spectrum cable?

[00:01:16] I don't have spectrum cable, but Danny totally fell for it.

[00:01:20] Wow.

[00:01:22] He fell for it.

[00:01:23] He's in the script.

[00:01:25] Yeah.

[00:01:26] OK, so ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome back.

[00:01:29] We're back and we have some things to say.

[00:01:33] We have things to talk about.

[00:01:34] We're going to do a little bit of speculation, which I don't love to do on the show

[00:01:38] because of timestamps a little bit, but we have a lot to say.

[00:01:42] Thank you again, Eric, for your time and energy in recording a couple episodes

[00:01:46] for Run Disney.

[00:01:48] If you have not listened to those episodes, please go back and listen.

[00:01:50] They're very informative and fun.

[00:01:52] And then we had David, who's our producer.

[00:01:55] Come on and talk about his first trip to Disney World.

[00:01:58] We are back with a...

[00:02:00] It's the same show you know and love.

[00:02:02] And we are both, I think all three of us are excited about upcoming trips personally.

[00:02:08] Yeah.

[00:02:09] I have a trip coming up in June with Dan and Eric and all of the concierge.

[00:02:15] I think I mentioned it last time, but just in case you missed it, June the 9th,

[00:02:19] we will be at Disneyland Resort.

[00:02:23] We'll be in the parks the 10th and the 11th of June.

[00:02:25] And then the 12th, Dan and I will be at Knott's Berry Farm,

[00:02:28] followed by medieval times with Dan, Eric and Audrey from Scraping the Vault.

[00:02:33] So if you are in that area and you want to say hi or connect with us,

[00:02:37] please reach out.

[00:02:38] You know how.

[00:02:39] And if you don't, then if it's fate, we'll see each other.

[00:02:44] No, just keep showing up at medieval times and just keep saying,

[00:02:48] no, I've got friends joining me.

[00:02:50] I've got...

[00:02:50] That's right.

[00:02:51] I'm saving seats.

[00:02:52] I'm saving seats.

[00:02:54] Works for me all the time when I go to Disneyland by myself.

[00:02:57] Yeah.

[00:02:58] So I'm particularly excited.

[00:03:01] I had mentioned you've heard us talk for several years, folks,

[00:03:04] about various personal things.

[00:03:07] We don't try to get too deep into personal stuff other than just so you know us as people.

[00:03:12] I have kind of gone through a long back and forth with too much alcohol.

[00:03:17] And I gave it up December 17th, and I have not touched a lick since.

[00:03:22] And I'm awake for the first time in a very long time.

[00:03:25] And I'm looking around and some stuff I don't like.

[00:03:31] Yeah, it's like, oh boy.

[00:03:33] Number one, too many cars on the street.

[00:03:36] That's right.

[00:03:37] If I understand correctly, you wanted to make the rest of this podcast about the Lord?

[00:03:42] Is that...

[00:03:42] That's correct.

[00:03:43] I meant to mention I have found our Lord and Savior.

[00:03:47] And he has told me that all of the rest of you are here in this state.

[00:03:55] Disney adult who goes by themselves is a spawn of Satan.

[00:03:59] Damn right.

[00:04:00] So the point is that I have quit drinking and it's been an interesting sort of six

[00:04:06] months of discovery and awakening.

[00:04:09] And one of the things I didn't really have was something like to look forward

[00:04:14] to that wasn't work or just, you know, the day to day stuff.

[00:04:18] Right.

[00:04:18] And so I have since planned two trips to Disneyland, one with my family,

[00:04:24] one with my other family, one with my chosen family.

[00:04:28] And what I guess what's nice is this.

[00:04:32] Whatever you choose, Eric.

[00:04:35] But I guess what I'm excited about is, you know, I go to bed at night is a little

[00:04:40] harder part of the reason I drink so much is to go to sleep to shut off my brain.

[00:04:44] But now I've just kind of got this sense of comfort and excitement looking

[00:04:48] forward to these trips.

[00:04:50] Also going to Disneyland for the first time since I can remember and not

[00:04:55] feeling like I have to drink, which is a really good feeling.

[00:04:58] And I said I have to.

[00:05:00] And for those of you who may or may not struggle with alcohol, I think maybe

[00:05:03] understand what that means.

[00:05:05] Okay.

[00:05:06] I admit I every time we go, I will push Jimmy down into a park bench and I

[00:05:11] will pour beer into his mouth.

[00:05:15] It's really hard to see.

[00:05:18] Yeah.

[00:05:19] It is uncomfortable.

[00:05:20] There are tears.

[00:05:20] It's not even like frat boy fun.

[00:05:22] It's just unpleasant.

[00:05:23] No.

[00:05:24] Yeah.

[00:05:25] It's water.

[00:05:25] My mouth is closed.

[00:05:27] Basically water for Jimmy with.

[00:05:30] And if my mouth is closed, he finds other ways to get it in.

[00:05:33] That's right.

[00:05:33] Anyway, but I guess my point is I'm very excited about it.

[00:05:37] I'm looking forward to going and being there with friends, people I love.

[00:05:41] And yeah, I'm very excited.

[00:05:43] So that's in June.

[00:05:44] And then again in July with my family.

[00:05:48] So Dan, do you have any trips coming up that you're excited about?

[00:05:52] Oh boy, do I.

[00:05:53] I have a trip coming up this coming weekend for three days.

[00:06:01] Well, you shared.

[00:06:02] So I'll share.

[00:06:04] Oh, so yeah, some of the things that have been happening in the past month

[00:06:09] that we have been less productive.

[00:06:10] One of the things that again, we don't want to focus too much on our

[00:06:14] personal lives, but it's been brought up before that my dad had Alzheimer's.

[00:06:20] Little hint there.

[00:06:22] He no longer has Alzheimer's, which is the good news.

[00:06:26] And those of you who know how that happens can put it together that he is

[00:06:32] no longer with us.

[00:06:33] So yeah, people who have listened to every single episode and know about

[00:06:39] our lives and whatnot, which is probably like 12 people, you know,

[00:06:43] that that was how him and I connected.

[00:06:46] It was maybe the only way we connected.

[00:06:49] Other than our ridiculous sense of humor.

[00:06:54] It's Disneyland.

[00:06:55] Disneyland, yeah.

[00:06:56] So I'm going there and I am spending.

[00:07:00] I am spending some time remembering times that we spent there together.

[00:07:06] He was very patient with me and I appreciate that.

[00:07:11] Isn't it interesting, Dan?

[00:07:13] This is like a cats in the cradle podcast now because

[00:07:18] when I was a child, I'm one of five.

[00:07:20] I'm the youngest to five children and my dad would take each of the five

[00:07:23] kids on the trip to, you know, with just dad and the kid.

[00:07:26] And our trips were always Disneyland.

[00:07:29] What do you know about that?

[00:07:30] Eric, how about your father issues?

[00:07:32] Sorry.

[00:07:32] No, back to Dan real fast.

[00:07:35] So anyway, yeah, just any of you who have people, people have

[00:07:40] communicated that they appreciate me sharing that aspect.

[00:07:44] And yeah, it's been an interesting month.

[00:07:50] And that's I don't want to, I don't feel like I need to get further into it.

[00:07:57] For this.

[00:07:58] Well, thank you for sharing, Dan.

[00:07:59] We Dan's father was I, you know, when I was a teenager, I made

[00:08:04] questionable choices and Dan's father was very instrumental to me as

[00:08:09] an adolescent and I will.

[00:08:11] I never went to Disneyland with him, but I will always have very strong

[00:08:15] and very powerful, joyful memories of Dan's father.

[00:08:20] As I got older and as Dan and I started hanging out, in fact, the

[00:08:23] times that I spent with Dan's dad, Dan and I were not friends.

[00:08:27] And we didn't like each other.

[00:08:29] It's possible.

[00:08:30] Anyway, so then as Dan and I became friends, we of course

[00:08:34] became friends through Disneyland.

[00:08:36] We would have, we both had annual passes and amongst the few people

[00:08:40] that had them at the time.

[00:08:42] So we went together and then we, I won't get into more details, but

[00:08:47] the origins of scraping the vault.

[00:08:49] Anyhow, I would sleep on the couch.

[00:08:51] You can put it together.

[00:08:52] Yeah.

[00:08:53] You just did in scraping the vault.

[00:08:54] Right.

[00:08:55] Yes.

[00:08:55] Exactly.

[00:08:56] So listen to that show if you're curious what I mean.

[00:08:58] So I would sleep on the couch and Dan's house.

[00:09:01] Now this is his father's house and the couch is an old living room

[00:09:05] and it's just adjacent to the kitchen and we would stay up really

[00:09:08] late, make bad choices.

[00:09:10] And then his dad would come in for breakfast as one does and it's

[00:09:14] his house and he has the right to do so.

[00:09:16] And he would always do the same thing, make coffee and he would

[00:09:20] do some oatmeal and he would clink on the bowl.

[00:09:27] And I can't say anything because it's his house and I'm sleeping

[00:09:30] in his living room.

[00:09:31] Just clink, clink, clink.

[00:09:33] And it wasn't, it wasn't to try to wake you up.

[00:09:35] It was just, I'm not even going to, I'm not going to change anything.

[00:09:39] No, it's my house.

[00:09:40] I'm doing what I do.

[00:09:41] I do me.

[00:09:43] But God bless him anyway.

[00:09:45] He will be missed and thank you for sharing Dan.

[00:09:49] And in fact, a parting gift from Dan's dad is Dan, Eric and I are

[00:09:54] taking a tour of the, tell us Dan that Lily Bell and what else?

[00:10:00] We're going on a railroad tour together funded by

[00:10:06] what was left, part of what was left behind by dad.

[00:10:11] And this is also a part that I'm giving myself gifts this weekend from him

[00:10:16] and in like memory.

[00:10:18] It's something ridiculous, but you know, like I'm going to the

[00:10:21] wall department.

[00:10:22] You would want me to do that.

[00:10:23] Of course.

[00:10:24] Yeah.

[00:10:25] And I know that he would if he were here and thought of it,

[00:10:33] he would absolutely pay for the three of us to go on a tour of the Disneyland

[00:10:39] Railroad, which includes a ride.

[00:10:42] I think maybe a ride, possibly just a tour of the Lily Bell.

[00:10:46] I don't really know much more about it, but that's something that's going

[00:10:50] to be happening and maybe we'll work into it, work it into an episode or something.

[00:10:55] Oh, that'd be great.

[00:10:55] I think we should infect Eric will be bringing recording equipment so I can

[00:10:59] almost guarantee listener that there will be some content from the Lily Bell

[00:11:03] and or that tour on one of the future episodes.

[00:11:07] And Eric, do you have any trips that you're excited about to Disneyland or Disney World?

[00:11:12] Do it's all you see I don't have the rich, the rich history here with Disneyland

[00:11:18] or with you two, but where your dad.

[00:11:21] I do have a rich history with my dad.

[00:11:23] Yes.

[00:11:23] But not at Disneyland.

[00:11:24] Not at Disneyland.

[00:11:25] No, he's never been there.

[00:11:27] Oh my God.

[00:11:28] That's right.

[00:11:28] Rich right there.

[00:11:29] There you go.

[00:11:31] We didn't know that it that Disneyland existed really.

[00:11:34] It was like, oh, they cut to that weird small castle on the Christmas special.

[00:11:40] Who's standing at the weird one this year?

[00:11:43] But yeah, you know, Dan, I I I hope you you get some good

[00:11:50] some good feels and some some good times out of your next trip coming up.

[00:11:54] Walt's apartment was great.

[00:11:56] I'm looking forward to our trip,

[00:12:00] which will be this will be it'll be fun.

[00:12:03] Jimmy and I well, this is going to be the second time we'll be going

[00:12:07] to Disneyland dry because I did that a few years ago due to some liver issues

[00:12:14] that have resurfaced.

[00:12:16] And so I'm taking some time off a drink and two.

[00:12:19] It's all.

[00:12:20] So it's a day.

[00:12:22] It's super boring.

[00:12:23] Yeah.

[00:12:25] So yeah, I guess between all of this listener, if you've been wondering why

[00:12:32] we have been kind of loosey goosey with the release schedules on all of our podcasts

[00:12:38] and whatnot, there you go.

[00:12:41] Okay.

[00:12:44] Speaking for myself, I'm in a very good place.

[00:12:48] Arguably the best place that I've been mentally for a long time.

[00:12:51] So I'm back.

[00:12:53] And we're working on it.

[00:12:55] I know you've heard that before, but I think we'll get back to a more

[00:12:58] regularly scheduled programming.

[00:13:00] And then we're going to get into this appellate process, you know,

[00:13:02] especially after a Haunted Mansion reopens with the new queue and

[00:13:05] everything else and Tianna's opens.

[00:13:07] We have to do an episode about that.

[00:13:08] So things will continue.

[00:13:10] And then we're going to have to go back and relitigate Space Mountain

[00:13:13] and some of the other stuff that we started the show with before

[00:13:16] we really found our voices.

[00:13:17] So Eric, I'm excited to spend time with you.

[00:13:21] And Dan at Disneyland.

[00:13:23] It'll be really fun.

[00:13:24] You're just, you're both two of my favorite people and I'm very excited

[00:13:28] to spend it with you.

[00:13:29] So, okay.

[00:13:30] So moving on to Disneyland forward.

[00:13:35] Um, you know, I tried, I think I'd mentioned don't really want

[00:13:40] to make this a speculative podcast.

[00:13:41] This is not a news podcast, but it's a big deal.

[00:13:45] And moment in time snapshot in time, city councils approved it.

[00:13:50] And there's been some chat about Avatar and there's been some

[00:13:53] speculation of different properties for what's going where is it a

[00:13:57] third theme park?

[00:13:58] Is there going to be a third gate?

[00:14:00] What is the West side between the hotels going to be?

[00:14:04] So, Dan, I'm going to let you kind of tee this one up and kick

[00:14:07] it off of how this segment is going to go.

[00:14:11] So go ahead.

[00:14:12] What is Disneyland forward, Dan?

[00:14:14] Disneyland forward is a thing that they put together with Anaheim.

[00:14:22] We've talked about this before.

[00:14:23] So if you want to know the details, listen to previous episodes or look it up,

[00:14:28] we're going to get into the fun part, which is speculation.

[00:14:31] And I kind of floated this idea with the other two hosts who I don't know why

[00:14:40] I'm David and David and Ryan, those other hosts.

[00:14:44] No, you too.

[00:14:45] I don't know why my brain is not working currently.

[00:14:48] Basically, I want to try to...

[00:14:51] So one of the premises of this is that we have some ideas of what's going

[00:14:56] to be happening, some loose kind of vague.

[00:15:01] It's kind of the whole thing's kind of beyond Thunder Mountain at this point.

[00:15:06] All we really know is that they now have the ability to do whatever

[00:15:10] they want with the land.

[00:15:11] Right?

[00:15:12] And we know what the land, what the properties are, the physical land

[00:15:17] properties are that they're going to be dealing with.

[00:15:19] But nobody really has any firm idea of what exactly is going to happen.

[00:15:26] So I thought it would be fun for us to come up with very, very firm

[00:15:33] predictions about what we think will happen.

[00:15:37] Now by that, I don't mean that we're going to go down to like,

[00:15:41] okay, and then there's going to be a popcorn cart here.

[00:15:43] Like if there's vague space in your mind about what it's going to be, great.

[00:15:50] But like if you have any predictions, I think that this is going

[00:15:55] to go in this park or this part is going to become this.

[00:16:00] Make those firm predictions and we're sticking with them.

[00:16:04] So because there is no actual...

[00:16:07] There's nothing out there other than just they're doing Pandora.

[00:16:11] So, okay, where is it going to go?

[00:16:13] What's going to become of the toy story lot?

[00:16:16] Like some of the notes I have are like, they're going to put this there.

[00:16:21] And this is why.

[00:16:22] But I don't really have like what that entire space is going to be.

[00:16:27] So basically, like if you make a prediction, it is a firm prediction.

[00:16:32] But if you don't know, you don't know.

[00:16:35] And that's fine.

[00:16:36] And we can maybe go forward and think about whoever gets the most correct,

[00:16:40] get surprised.

[00:16:42] Some guy between the three of us, between the three of us or whatever.

[00:16:45] We can come up with something.

[00:16:47] So if you're going to set some ground rules, yeah, go ahead.

[00:16:51] Okay.

[00:16:52] First of all, I'm going to set a time limit on this discussion

[00:16:55] so we don't get too far down in the weeds.

[00:16:57] Okay.

[00:16:58] I'm not going to say what the time limit is, but I'm setting it.

[00:17:00] Thing number two is I would like to lay the premise that nothing happens

[00:17:08] at all until they build a parking structure.

[00:17:12] I would agree with that.

[00:17:14] Okay.

[00:17:15] They have to support this expansion and they cannot support the expansion

[00:17:18] with the current parking situation.

[00:17:21] So they have to build a parking structure first.

[00:17:24] So that's the first thing that's going to happen.

[00:17:26] Mm-hmm.

[00:17:28] Then we can, now we can start.

[00:17:31] So I have some, I'm going to make some broad statements.

[00:17:35] First of all, you said Avatar, that's a done deal.

[00:17:38] Right.

[00:17:38] I'm going to say that Avatar is going to go into the, it is the Toy Story lot,

[00:17:44] is the one that's south of Pixar Pier or Pixar Hotel.

[00:17:47] Oh wait, no, no, no.

[00:17:49] No, no, no.

[00:17:49] Sorry.

[00:17:49] Yeah.

[00:17:50] Okay.

[00:17:51] Is your thinking it's going to be part of DCA?

[00:17:53] Yes.

[00:17:54] Okay.

[00:17:54] I think that would be west of the park.

[00:17:57] The westward expansion of these parks in the concept art will not be its own theme park.

[00:18:02] They will be expansions of existing theme parks.

[00:18:04] Okay.

[00:18:04] Okay.

[00:18:06] Avatarland is going to go west of DCA and it'll be through a tunnel.

[00:18:11] They will dig a tunnel under all Mickey's Tune Town,

[00:18:15] all Galaxy's Edge in the, you know, the frontier land area.

[00:18:19] There will be a tunnel using Disney's age old go from small to big

[00:18:23] for the big reveal.

[00:18:25] Under the street.

[00:18:25] So under the street.

[00:18:27] So go under the street, theme tunnel again back to Galaxy's Edge at Hollywood Studios.

[00:18:32] There will be a tunnel.

[00:18:34] You'll go from a small space to a big space for a big reveal

[00:18:37] and it will be virtually identical to the one in Florida.

[00:18:41] Okay.

[00:18:42] There's going to be a theme to all of my statements in that they will not do

[00:18:45] something new.

[00:18:47] They will only build what they've already built.

[00:18:51] Okay.

[00:18:52] So I'm going to start with that prediction.

[00:18:53] Okay.

[00:18:54] There will not be anything that they have not already built or are going to build

[00:18:57] at Disney World.

[00:18:59] Okay.

[00:19:00] So going forward with this conversation, do we want to go

[00:19:06] like acreage by like chunk of land by chunk of land?

[00:19:09] So you said with the thing about West of DCA, do you want to do the rest

[00:19:14] of yours or do you want to go?

[00:19:16] Yeah, may as well.

[00:19:17] So, so it's just only because I have very little.

[00:19:21] So, so the predictions are there will be, they will be expansions of the existing

[00:19:27] parks.

[00:19:28] They will not be a third gate West of the parks.

[00:19:31] Okay.

[00:19:32] So surrounding the hotels will be to the Southwest will be Avatar land and

[00:19:37] that will be its thing across from Disneyland, West of Galaxy's Edge,

[00:19:43] Splash Mountain, all of that will be Arundel and Coco and Kanto.

[00:19:50] Whatever they build at Disney World with respect to Coco and Kanto will be

[00:19:56] built at Disneyland and frozen Arundel like they did in Shanghai, like they did

[00:20:01] it, Disneyland Paris, it's going to be the same thing.

[00:20:04] Same attractions, same whatever.

[00:20:07] It's going to be the same because that's this version of Disney, you know,

[00:20:11] parks and resorts, they did it with Star Wars land.

[00:20:13] They did it with it.

[00:20:14] I don't think they're going to build a Toy Story land.

[00:20:17] West of Disneyland is going to be in Kanto, Coco and Frozen.

[00:20:21] Okay.

[00:20:23] Unrelated to that expansion, but I believe what is the lot inside of DCA called?

[00:20:31] Behind the what?

[00:20:34] It's an employer.

[00:20:34] Oh yeah.

[00:20:37] It's just a lot.

[00:20:38] I think it's you can't park there anymore.

[00:20:40] No, you can't inside DCA.

[00:20:42] Yeah.

[00:20:42] Inside DCA they will build Wakanda.

[00:20:44] It'll be a Wakanda outreach center.

[00:20:46] You know those ones they build all over the world.

[00:20:49] It'll be a Wakanda outreach thing.

[00:20:51] It'll replace whatever's back there, Hollywood, you know, beyond that stuff.

[00:20:55] Behind like the Hyperion.

[00:20:58] Yes, all that stuff is going to be a Wakanda outreach.

[00:21:01] Okay.

[00:21:01] Okay.

[00:21:03] Maybe get rid of the Hollywood back lot thing.

[00:21:06] That's going to be Wakanda outreach, whatever they call that.

[00:21:11] So it won't be a replica of Wakanda.

[00:21:13] It'll be some Wakanda and run outreach center like they have in San Francisco

[00:21:19] in the movies and whatever.

[00:21:21] Interesting.

[00:21:21] So building on, and so that was the only exception to what they haven't built before,

[00:21:26] which is Wakanda, which is probably the least likely to happen.

[00:21:29] But they're going to build Avatar land and it's going to look like Florida.

[00:21:31] They're going to build Frozen land, Coco and Kanto just like it is in

[00:21:34] Florida, the other parks, the end.

[00:21:37] Hmm.

[00:21:37] Any thoughts about since you're still on Jimmy, what are your thoughts

[00:21:41] on the Toy Story lot?

[00:21:44] I apologize with my ignorance, but where is the Toy Story lot?

[00:21:48] It's in an eye.

[00:21:50] Oh, oh, shoot.

[00:21:53] All right.

[00:21:53] Let me start over.

[00:21:56] Okay.

[00:21:59] No, the Toy Story lots, but like between the Pixar pals, Mickey and friends,

[00:22:04] that's right over there, right?

[00:22:05] No.

[00:22:06] Oh, in the Southeast side.

[00:22:07] The Southeast.

[00:22:08] Yes.

[00:22:09] I still think it's a water.

[00:22:10] Across Harbor.

[00:22:14] I know this is dumb.

[00:22:16] I'm sticking to it.

[00:22:17] It's a water park.

[00:22:18] All right.

[00:22:19] I'm sticking to it.

[00:22:20] I it's fascinating to me that that prediction that you keep making is sort of

[00:22:26] like it's like when Fresh Baked David keeps talking about how like, oh,

[00:22:31] they're going to get rid of the reservation system.

[00:22:33] Like why do you think they're gonna?

[00:22:36] It's adorable that you think that, but I don't know why you think that.

[00:22:41] I don't know that they will.

[00:22:42] Yeah.

[00:22:43] And I appreciate that you think it's adorable because my sense of this Disney

[00:22:52] company is that they are trying to make Disneyland into Disney World the best

[00:22:57] they possibly can.

[00:22:58] What do they have there?

[00:22:59] They have all the things I just mentioned and they have water parks

[00:23:03] and they have shopping, blah, blah, blah.

[00:23:05] I think it's going to be a water like Universal did a water theme park or

[00:23:11] whatever they call that.

[00:23:12] So it's it's a third gate.

[00:23:14] It's a water park.

[00:23:15] It's themed whatever that's what it's going to be.

[00:23:17] Oh, so you're saying are you saying like water slides, water park or?

[00:23:20] Yes.

[00:23:21] Okay.

[00:23:21] Okay.

[00:23:23] That is what I'm saying.

[00:23:24] Okay.

[00:23:27] My next thing before I'm done.

[00:23:28] Yep.

[00:23:29] When they build Avatar across the street south of the Pixar Pier hotel.

[00:23:37] When they do this.

[00:23:39] What are they now going to call California Adventure?

[00:23:42] Let me rephrase.

[00:23:46] They will rename Disney's California Adventure when they build Avatarland.

[00:23:50] Is it going to be, are you thinking a studio?

[00:23:55] That's where that's I'm gonna, I'm gonna rephrase it start from scratch.

[00:23:58] Say they are going to rename this theme park.

[00:24:01] You don't have a firm prediction.

[00:24:02] I don't know.

[00:24:03] Okay.

[00:24:03] That's fine.

[00:24:04] They will rename it.

[00:24:06] It already needs a read theme.

[00:24:08] I think that, and I know it's not my turn yet, but I, but on that point,

[00:24:13] I, I think that they're going to reframe California Adventure to be about

[00:24:18] adventures in a California park.

[00:24:21] I think they're going to embrace the vagueness of it.

[00:24:28] But.

[00:24:29] Adventures in California?

[00:24:32] No, I think it's going to stay the same.

[00:24:33] I just think that like the framing around it is, is going to be less about

[00:24:38] is going to be less about like, Hey, come visit California at Disney Park

[00:24:43] and more about like it's an adventure park in California.

[00:24:47] Okay.

[00:24:50] Like basically, yeah.

[00:24:51] Okay.

[00:24:52] It's your turn.

[00:24:53] I have a lot.

[00:24:54] Eric, do you want to go first?

[00:24:56] Maybe.

[00:24:57] Maybe I have a lot.

[00:25:00] Okay.

[00:25:00] Go on.

[00:25:01] Go on.

[00:25:02] Okay.

[00:25:02] Here we go.

[00:25:03] I think that the Toy Story parking lot is going to become a version of

[00:25:07] Fantasy Springs.

[00:25:08] I don't know if they're going to call it Fantasy Springs, but I think it's

[00:25:12] going to be in that vein and I think Pandora is going to go there.

[00:25:16] And I think Frozen's going to go there.

[00:25:18] I think they're going to have Peter Pan stuff.

[00:25:21] Well, wait, Fantasy Springs is, is a theme park land in Shanghai?

[00:25:30] Disney Sea, I think.

[00:25:31] Disney Sea, yes.

[00:25:31] Oh, see, I'm sorry.

[00:25:33] They, so it's, it's not Fantasy Land, it's Fantasy Springs.

[00:25:37] And there you are going to have, go ahead.

[00:25:38] Yeah, there's a third gate.

[00:25:41] I think it's a third gate.

[00:25:42] Okay, go ahead.

[00:25:43] And I think that the reason they put Pandora, Frozen and Peter Pan

[00:25:47] stuff in there is that Disney learned from the opening of DCA to

[00:25:51] avoid assuming people would go to a new theme park just because it's new.

[00:25:55] So they need big draws like Frozen and Pandora to give people a reason

[00:26:01] to visit like at least once.

[00:26:03] And I think Peter Pan's there to bring in some, some really solid.

[00:26:07] I think it's going to be like Pandora is like the adult adventure

[00:26:11] e-ticket stuff and then Frozen and Peter Pan is like the play areas.

[00:26:16] And I think we still get the Frozen ride.

[00:26:17] But does Peter Pan's flight in Fantasy Land stay all of Star Tours?

[00:26:20] Yes.

[00:26:23] Because I think that it's going to be, it's going to be a way,

[00:26:26] I'm thinking that they're going to try to think of as many ways

[00:26:29] as possible to draw people into this park using things that they

[00:26:33] already have. And at Fantasy Springs, they have a Peter Pan play area.

[00:26:37] I think that's going to be there.

[00:26:40] It's a property that's popular even though it's probably going

[00:26:42] to be problematic in about 15 years, but whatever.

[00:26:45] Has that ever stopped them?

[00:26:46] No, it hasn't.

[00:26:47] So they're going to do that.

[00:26:49] And I think Frozen is a big draw there.

[00:26:52] I think that the Garden Walk is going to suddenly need to sell

[00:26:58] to somebody and some kind of conveyance between Mickey and

[00:27:01] friends and the Eastern expansion structure, which I think is going

[00:27:05] to be called a Ventures parking structure.

[00:27:08] That's going to exist and Garden Walk will become like a free version

[00:27:12] of Main Street, meaning that like you could go and shop, but it's also

[00:27:18] going to kind of sort of unofficially operate as an entry statement

[00:27:24] for the third gate, meaning that the actual line to get in,

[00:27:30] the entrance will be over Catella.

[00:27:32] So you're kind of like using that dead space for dead things like lines.

[00:27:38] I think West of DCA, they're going to build a Silicon Valley area,

[00:27:45] which will contain an educational ride about communication in the

[00:27:49] vein of Spaceship Earth because it's high capacity, indoor, slow

[00:27:54] moving with animatronics.

[00:27:55] DCA needs that.

[00:27:57] And I think that they're going to build Tron in that area.

[00:28:01] And they can theme it directly to the movie because they go to a Silicon

[00:28:06] Valley place in the movie.

[00:28:08] I also think that the Tron nightclub experience will return.

[00:28:12] And I also think that this area, there's going to be more stuff,

[00:28:15] but these are the things I'm willing to commit to.

[00:28:17] I also think that this area is going to be very focused on

[00:28:20] festival food festival stuff because that's proven to be very popular

[00:28:25] at DCA, but it is also a crowd jamming nightmare.

[00:28:31] Okay.

[00:28:31] Can you can you start over with not start over, but where in DCA is this?

[00:28:36] What?

[00:28:36] DCA across, I think there's going to be a bridge across.

[00:28:41] Across the under.

[00:28:42] Across the under because California is the one.

[00:28:45] No, they're going to build a ride.

[00:28:48] They're not going to build a structure of Spaceship Earth.

[00:28:51] They're going to build a ride similar to the ride content of Spaceship Earth,

[00:28:56] but maybe not like communication concept or the technology concept.

[00:29:00] Right.

[00:29:00] Maybe not like deep history, but the theme is going to be communications and

[00:29:04] technology because it will be an omnimover.

[00:29:07] Yes.

[00:29:07] 100%.

[00:29:08] Okay.

[00:29:09] So festival arena, all the Epcot with you.

[00:29:13] I, he lost me at Tron too big.

[00:29:15] I think that that's how we get Tron because we're not, it's, I don't know

[00:29:20] how you could get it in Tomorrowland.

[00:29:23] And we, I think, I think we know it's coming.

[00:29:26] And I think that if you, if you make it about like kind of like where the

[00:29:31] movie starts, where it's like, we're breaking into this place and now, oh no,

[00:29:34] now you're in the world of Tron.

[00:29:36] That is a perfect way to get Tron into DCA.

[00:29:41] It basically make it not about like this is a futuristic ride and make it

[00:29:45] about, you know, computers are scary now.

[00:29:50] And yeah, food festival.

[00:29:51] I think that Pixar hotel will connect as an entry and exit only to this part

[00:30:01] of the park.

[00:30:03] And I suspect it's going to be more of a nightlife-y, more like adult

[00:30:09] forward kind of thing, not like, you know, Daisy can have like her boobs

[00:30:13] or everything like that.

[00:30:13] But like, you know, like, like more like this is, this is a place to

[00:30:17] hang out for adults to like, you know, dance the Tron dance club and do

[00:30:23] whatever they do.

[00:30:24] And this is all going to be south of the Pixar hotel.

[00:30:27] They're not going to change the theme of the Pixar hotel into this adult

[00:30:31] history of communication.

[00:30:32] No, because I'm part of the speculation is that the Pixar hotel

[00:30:38] kind of matches the Silicon Valley idea.

[00:30:42] I think there might be a, there are, I don't think the whole place

[00:30:44] is going to be Silicon Valley, but I think that this will be included.

[00:30:48] And I think that that's where we get Tron.

[00:30:49] And I think that that's how we get our entry into the Pixar, the gateway

[00:30:56] into and out of Pixar hotel because Silicon Valley.

[00:31:00] Yeah, it's like there's a connection.

[00:31:03] Where's Avatar going?

[00:31:05] Avatar is going to the third park.

[00:31:10] Oh, you said Avatar frozen Peter Pan.

[00:31:14] Yeah, Pandora frozen Peter Pan.

[00:31:16] Avatar is there.

[00:31:17] They don't have enough room.

[00:31:19] There's a lot more room than you think there.

[00:31:21] Yeah, the the Toy Story lot is

[00:31:26] I read today 50 50 acres smaller than DCA.

[00:31:32] Yeah, I think it's going to be a small, I think it's going to be

[00:31:36] kind of a compact park, which is why I think they're going to put

[00:31:38] some of the big stuff in there, big in terms of like heavy hitters

[00:31:42] really attractive like Pandora frozen Peter Pan player.

[00:31:46] I think it's going to be it's it's going to be like a lot of a lot

[00:31:50] of bang for your buck in that.

[00:31:53] I'm changing my mind.

[00:31:54] What if they finish?

[00:31:56] Well, hold on.

[00:31:56] I'm just I'm just interjecting because what you said.

[00:31:58] OK, move.

[00:32:02] To Toy Story, that becomes your shopping time.

[00:32:04] That's your Disney Springs.

[00:32:06] And then all the stuff that's existing now is expansion

[00:32:08] theme park the end.

[00:32:09] Go ahead.

[00:32:10] I think that that we get our shopping area by Disney buying Gardenwalk.

[00:32:16] I think Gardenwalk is going to suddenly have a family emergency.

[00:32:20] All of their grandparents are going to die and they're going to be like,

[00:32:22] oh, my dog get my homework and all my grandparents said, oh no,

[00:32:25] we never planned for this.

[00:32:26] And then Disney's going to be like, well, I guess we have to take this opportunity.

[00:32:33] So West of Disneyland, I have less.

[00:32:37] But I think it's definitely going to connect to the Disneyland hotel

[00:32:43] only for hotel guests.

[00:32:46] And I think that there will be.

[00:32:50] I suspect that they are going to say and Kanto and Coco have to go together

[00:32:54] because clearly they're the same thing.

[00:32:56] They're not the same.

[00:32:57] Well, the reason I thought that too, Dan was and this I don't know,

[00:33:01] whatever the sound like, they were the same thing.

[00:33:04] No, that I thought that they would build Coco and Kanto also

[00:33:08] because there's a lot of.

[00:33:11] Like America influences in Southern California used to be part of Mexico,

[00:33:14] etc. I think there's enough of a local appeal since it is a local's park.

[00:33:19] Oh, I completely agree with you.

[00:33:21] Is racist. Is that my sound?

[00:33:22] Right. I mean, the one that's said in Mexico.

[00:33:25] Oh, no, Coco is Coco is.

[00:33:28] And that's why so where I'm going with this is I'm thinking like, OK,

[00:33:33] we're coming from Critter Country into this new area.

[00:33:37] Right. So what would make sense to me thematically

[00:33:42] would be to then have in Kanto because it's all you have foresty, foresty stuff.

[00:33:47] And then you could go to jungle, you foresty stuff.

[00:33:50] And that's how you get to in Kanto.

[00:33:52] And I want to resist saying that Coco will also be there

[00:33:56] because I don't want to imply that they're both Mexican.

[00:34:01] But that's the way this company thinks about these properties.

[00:34:03] So Coco will probably also be there, but I'm not going to commit to that part.

[00:34:08] I am going to commit to in Kanto being West of Disneyland.

[00:34:14] And I think that they're just going to deal with that by making it kind of

[00:34:17] Adventureland Part Two, like it's just going to be more jungle,

[00:34:21] more foresty stuff, more because Adventureland in terms of like

[00:34:26] making more jungly themed stuff, they're stuck.

[00:34:28] They can't do anything else.

[00:34:30] And this gives them more space to do that kind of theming stuff.

[00:34:36] And all of the oh, I think also why didn't I put this in my notes?

[00:34:42] I'm so I remember.

[00:34:44] I think, oh, here it is.

[00:34:45] The bad parts of Hollywood area will become Zootopia,

[00:34:48] meaning the back lot area.

[00:34:50] It's going to be Zootopia land.

[00:34:52] Why do I think this because they have the monorail

[00:34:54] and the monorail is a problem for whatever goes there.

[00:34:57] And in Zootopia, there is a monorail.

[00:35:00] So done, fixed.

[00:35:02] And I think that they want to build a Zootopia land

[00:35:05] because the Zootopia characters are already in DCA as photo ops.

[00:35:11] And I think that monsters is going to go away

[00:35:14] because it's not that good of a ride.

[00:35:16] They all know it's not that good of a ride

[00:35:17] and they can replace it with something better.

[00:35:20] And let's see what else they have.

[00:35:23] I also think this is the final thing I think.

[00:35:26] Black Panther Wakanda ride will be the e-ticket,

[00:35:29] the new e-ticket for Avengers Campus.

[00:35:32] Because they have nothing.

[00:35:34] They keep changing their minds.

[00:35:36] They got nothing.

[00:35:37] They know they want to include Wakanda.

[00:35:39] This gets them there.

[00:35:40] And I like Jimmy, your idea of them doing

[00:35:43] like a Wakanda outreach center.

[00:35:46] Maybe they build behind.

[00:35:48] Maybe they build some of that behind Marvel,

[00:35:52] Avengers Campus.

[00:35:53] But I don't think that we're going to have

[00:35:56] like Hollywood land

[00:35:59] and then Avengers Campus.

[00:36:00] And then Avengers stuff on either side.

[00:36:02] I think we're going to have...

[00:36:04] I think that Hollywood Drive is going to become

[00:36:06] kind of an extension of the entrance

[00:36:09] to where like you still have the animation building,

[00:36:11] you still have the Hyperion,

[00:36:12] but everything else gets changed into Zootopia

[00:36:16] on one side and more Marvel stuff on the other side.

[00:36:20] So it sounds like we're aligned in that

[00:36:22] everything you're proposing with the exception of the...

[00:36:25] Well, I'm going to say with the exception

[00:36:27] of the spaceship Earth concept of the communication thing

[00:36:30] is like I said, all properties that they've

[00:36:34] already built somewhere else.

[00:36:35] Right. Well, but the spaceship Earth thing.

[00:36:38] And again, I'm not saying they're going to build the giant globe,

[00:36:41] but the spaceship Earth concept,

[00:36:44] that kind of ride has been shown to be,

[00:36:47] you know, a reliable popular thing to do in other parks.

[00:36:51] And DCA really means...

[00:36:52] But it's a nostalgic thing.

[00:36:54] I mean, part of the allure of spaceship Earth

[00:36:57] is because it's

[00:36:59] spaceship Earth.

[00:37:00] It's inside the weenie of the park

[00:37:03] and it's been there for decades and it

[00:37:05] right, but OK, so it breaks down and let me explain

[00:37:09] how I got there and maybe that would make sense.

[00:37:11] How I got there is I am looking at what does DCA need

[00:37:14] and DCA needs more long form experiences.

[00:37:19] They need more animatronics

[00:37:22] because they have like maybe one animatronic in the whole park.

[00:37:25] And this is a way for us to get there.

[00:37:27] You use a concept that is already proven and already exists.

[00:37:31] Maybe you don't go through the whole history of communication.

[00:37:35] We don't have like papyrus, but I think it'll be

[00:37:38] thematically adjacent to like a spaceship Earth kind of thing.

[00:37:44] And I think that having it

[00:37:45] and the reason I think it'll be communications

[00:37:47] is because I think that that's going to tie into the Silicon Valley area,

[00:37:51] which is how we get it basically starts with.

[00:37:53] How do we get Toronto DCA? OK, well, Silicon Valley exists.

[00:37:57] Why don't we have Tron be part of a Silicon Valley experience?

[00:38:00] And that way, the way that you get through the pre-show

[00:38:04] is a different experience.

[00:38:06] You're like breaking into the factory or whatever.

[00:38:09] And then you go, you get sucked into the world of Tron,

[00:38:11] just like the original movie.

[00:38:13] And then all of a sudden, no, no, you have to get shot out of a can or whatever.

[00:38:19] I think I think that's how we get to Tron.

[00:38:21] And then I kind of added in the other thing of like, OK, well,

[00:38:26] we also need something that is air conditioned and can take 15 to 20 minutes

[00:38:31] of people in a ride, slow conveyance like.

[00:38:35] And that's that's basically how I got there,

[00:38:37] because it wouldn't be hard for them to just go like,

[00:38:39] I don't know, build a flat spaceship Earth, basically.

[00:38:41] Yeah, they need a lot of geography.

[00:38:44] So question, will they take a page out of the Epic Universe book

[00:38:50] and be able to block off these sections for corporate parties and that kind of thing?

[00:38:55] I mean, just by the geography of it, I think that's a given.

[00:39:01] Yeah, I suppose that would be Eric.

[00:39:03] We we're coming up against my time limit.

[00:39:08] You have anywhere between one and 12 minutes.

[00:39:13] It's your turn.

[00:39:15] What do you think is going to happen?

[00:39:16] And why am I right?

[00:39:24] Damn, you guys.

[00:39:26] I was about to start playing the Dan is rambling music.

[00:39:29] Anyway, here's here's what's here's what's what's up.

[00:39:33] Similar to what you were saying, Jimmy, we need parking

[00:39:36] part of one of the early one of the earlier releases

[00:39:40] while they were while Disney was kind of pushing Disneyland forward

[00:39:44] was an eastern parking structure.

[00:39:46] I say we take the Pumba parking lot.

[00:39:49] We we throw together one of the biggest parking structures they've ever made.

[00:39:53] And hey, you know what's right south of there?

[00:39:56] It's this garden walk place that nobody cares about.

[00:39:58] Dan's got some great ideas there.

[00:40:01] I enjoy the idea of that suddenly people have been talking

[00:40:05] about Disney buying this longer than I've been going to Disneyland,

[00:40:08] which is not a long time.

[00:40:10] But still, it's suddenly downtown Disney Part Two.

[00:40:14] And that's the direct way to get into the new third gate,

[00:40:19] which I'm kind of on Dan's side there with with the the Fantasy Springs,

[00:40:25] where we put in these properties that are, you know,

[00:40:28] maybe we can make it a little more or a little more kidlike.

[00:40:31] It's definitely going to be popular, popular stuff.

[00:40:35] If you've seen the Hong Kong and the Hong Kong

[00:40:39] World of Frozen and if you've seen images

[00:40:42] of what they're working on with Fantasy Springs,

[00:40:45] it's a perfect way of building a new like artificial

[00:40:48] berm around the outside of this this area.

[00:40:51] One of the issues that I've heard about from a few different places

[00:40:55] is that there are noise considerations,

[00:40:58] because there were there were there were these noise studies

[00:41:01] that Disney was doing about a year ago.

[00:41:03] I think we talked about it on the ears up where they were

[00:41:07] basically seeing how much how noisy certain rides were

[00:41:10] and how far away they were from certain things.

[00:41:14] So I believe there were some concessions made as part of Disneyland

[00:41:17] forward that would include noise, which means anything

[00:41:21] that's close to a neighborhood can't be noisy.

[00:41:25] And there are certain restrictions about how far away

[00:41:29] attractions have to be from residential places.

[00:41:32] So some of these areas are perfect because it's not

[00:41:36] residential, it's hotels, it's businesses.

[00:41:38] We don't have to worry about putting something crazy

[00:41:42] in that back corner that like you're talking about Jimmy

[00:41:44] where you wanted to put the Wakanda Welcome Center

[00:41:47] because you've got hotels nearby.

[00:41:50] You've got Cattella Avenue, you've got Harvard.

[00:41:52] Like that doesn't that doesn't matter.

[00:41:55] What you do have to worry about is the south end

[00:41:57] of the Toy Story Lot where there are homes.

[00:42:00] You have to worry about the far west side where there are also homes.

[00:42:05] I say Toy Story Lot becomes more of of the the small it's

[00:42:13] it is a smaller space, but we cram in some smaller attractions

[00:42:17] clustering toward the center or in the the northwest side.

[00:42:21] You still want to draw people in.

[00:42:22] So you still have to have something down there.

[00:42:24] So something indoors.

[00:42:25] Maybe that's where you get the world of frozen stuff

[00:42:28] where you can simulate a cold environment indoors.

[00:42:31] That sort of idea.

[00:42:33] Let's see. Heading across the way, I love expanding

[00:42:38] taking taking all of the Hollywood stuff and making it New York.

[00:42:44] Make it New York City.

[00:42:46] Expand New York City.

[00:42:49] Get a rope.

[00:42:51] I don't know how the Carthage Circle works there, but

[00:42:55] expand the Avengers stuff so we can have this.

[00:42:59] We can finally build out the ticket, whatever that's going to be.

[00:43:03] But then expand into the other region over there

[00:43:06] where we've got the Hyperion Theater.

[00:43:08] We've got Mike and Sully to the rescue.

[00:43:10] We've got large buildings that they sometimes use for something.

[00:43:16] We've got plenty of space in that area for more more Marvel stuff.

[00:43:21] So basically, we've got a Marvel mini park

[00:43:23] that's more than just one restaurant,

[00:43:26] a few a few food carts and some shows.

[00:43:30] Dan, one part of that part of what we're not mentioning

[00:43:35] to is that where the buses come in currently on that east side,

[00:43:41] north of currently monsters,

[00:43:45] that they don't need that anymore because they can have all of that

[00:43:48] in the eastward eastern gateway.

[00:43:52] You know what they have instead?

[00:43:54] You know what they have instead in that area, Dan,

[00:43:57] in that chunk of the Esplanade?

[00:43:59] Yeah, what's that?

[00:44:00] He's thought of this.

[00:44:01] I have thought of this.

[00:44:02] Given this thought. Yes, I have given this thought.

[00:44:04] What they have instead is a Skyway station,

[00:44:09] Skyliner station.

[00:44:10] Skyliner.

[00:44:11] So the Skyliner can bring people directly from

[00:44:15] the eastern parking structure across

[00:44:20] across Harbor to get directly out of the Harbor problem.

[00:44:23] So you can still access Harbor, right?

[00:44:25] Or you could walk through the new downtown.

[00:44:27] You can walk through downtown Disney East to access the third gate.

[00:44:31] Oh, yeah.

[00:44:32] You can also take the Skyliner all the way across downtown Disney

[00:44:37] to the Disneyland Hotel and all the wonders down that way.

[00:44:41] Now, before we move from the east side,

[00:44:45] you know what we could do?

[00:44:46] Let's we I guess we're we're investing in

[00:44:50] in Autopia, so we're probably not going to get rid of Autopia.

[00:44:54] You know what we can get rid of is a large circular building

[00:44:58] and get my favorite thing in Tomorrowland.

[00:45:02] How dare you?

[00:45:03] The large circular building with nothing to do in it.

[00:45:06] And a a pizza place that we can we can figure something to do with.

[00:45:13] We could put a thrill ride like Tron

[00:45:16] into Marland right there.

[00:45:19] It can go over the Autopia.

[00:45:21] It can weave around that whole region.

[00:45:24] We don't have to worry about a thrill ride being close to the neighborhood

[00:45:27] because across the street is hotels.

[00:45:29] Yeah, it's brilliant.

[00:45:32] That's where Tron goes.

[00:45:34] It's not completely my idea.

[00:45:36] I've heard I've I've I've heard many wild rumors, but that's the one I like.

[00:45:41] West side.

[00:45:42] I just out of curiosity, how wild of a rumor is that that you've heard?

[00:45:47] I'm not I'm not trying to like debate it.

[00:45:50] I'm just trying to figure out where like where are you hearing this?

[00:45:53] I have heard Wild Rumors, the one that makes me go, oh, crap, that could work.

[00:45:58] Is from the Disney History Institute.

[00:46:03] Interesting because Todd because Todd James Pierce knows his stuff.

[00:46:06] OK, and if he thinks he's he's the one that was talking about

[00:46:11] on his most recent episode about the noise restrictions

[00:46:15] and how far away people like residential areas had to be from certain things.

[00:46:19] So that would take care of that.

[00:46:21] And that was his that was his theory.

[00:46:23] And I'm I'm grabbing onto that one.

[00:46:25] I think that's fantastic.

[00:46:27] No, because I've heard other people come up with like

[00:46:31] random stuff like, hey, we could put we'll put Tron somewhere in Tomorrowland.

[00:46:35] I think that's the reason why you put Tron in Tomorrowland,

[00:46:38] though, that's a reason why you make it work.

[00:46:40] Dan, I love your idea of going of expanding under under Disneyland Drive,

[00:46:45] which is one of the Disneyland Drive Magic Way,

[00:46:49] which are roads that Disney is trying to buy from the city of Anaheim

[00:46:54] and going underneath through Critter Country into another kid area.

[00:46:59] I think you could have a whole, I don't know,

[00:47:02] do you I'm not exactly sure what you would expand to there,

[00:47:05] but it would be it could be the Zootopia area

[00:47:08] that they've that they're already building elsewhere.

[00:47:12] Again, Jimmy, I love the idea of we've got to repurpose

[00:47:15] these attractions that we're doing around the world.

[00:47:18] It's cheaper, it's easier and put it into this small space

[00:47:22] that's currently that's currently parking for hotels.

[00:47:26] We've got new places for people to park for hotels.

[00:47:29] We've got this this these giant parking structures to the north

[00:47:32] and we've got they could develop a public transit way to get around now.

[00:47:39] I like the skylining or skyline our idea just because it's easier to install

[00:47:43] their big pylons. It's really easy.

[00:47:45] You don't have to expand the monorail geography. Right.

[00:47:48] Right. It's why they're not going to expand the monorail.

[00:47:51] Walt Disney World, they're it's too expensive to do the monorail.

[00:47:55] But you could I like the idea.

[00:47:58] I think there's a possibility that they could add a spur of the skyliner

[00:48:02] that goes to Coronado Springs, making that a real hotel

[00:48:07] that people want to stay at and then going all the way out to animal kingdom.

[00:48:10] I think that's a definite idea for the future.

[00:48:14] But I don't think they'll ever go to Disney Springs, but that's another story.

[00:48:17] Yeah, that is another story.

[00:48:19] I'm not sure what to do with the Southwest.

[00:48:21] I haven't there's there's got to be something to do that's more

[00:48:26] kid stuff for for DCA because we can expand the kiddy stuff for Disney land.

[00:48:33] DCA, you're right, Dan, it needs more animatronics.

[00:48:35] It needs more dark rides.

[00:48:37] It needs more things to do and going in that direction,

[00:48:41] you're heading toward a neighborhood.

[00:48:42] So it's got to be indoors and it's got to be insulated from from the neighborhood.

[00:48:48] I don't I don't know exactly what they could do there,

[00:48:51] but I think having some more kid themed things would be maybe that's

[00:48:54] where they put the Zootopia stuff because that looks like big,

[00:48:58] big buildings around the outer edge of that read of that area

[00:49:04] from the video.

[00:49:04] So I mean, to your point, Eric, we know they're doing avatar.

[00:49:08] We know that that parking lot is going away.

[00:49:11] We know where's that parking lot's going away.

[00:49:14] And that show building in Florida is all enclosed.

[00:49:18] Mm hmm. That's that's where it's going.

[00:49:20] Maybe that's what I was.

[00:49:21] Yeah, maybe that's where I originally thought about that because one of the

[00:49:24] reasons I really think that avatar isn't going into DCA is because we have soren.

[00:49:31] But that didn't stop them from building web sling.

[00:49:35] Just man, Dan, it was it was done before it finished before you finish the sense.

[00:49:39] We could also put avatar past past Critter Country.

[00:49:44] I mean, it doesn't seem like it's going to be a big area.

[00:49:47] It seems like from everything I've heard, it's going to be a way of the water

[00:49:51] attraction, which means it's going to be a boat ride indoors.

[00:49:55] All right.

[00:49:55] Well, we are you thinking they don't bring five flight of passage as part of it?

[00:49:59] I think they absolutely do.

[00:50:00] I don't think they do.

[00:50:01] I think they do a completely different.

[00:50:03] I mean, have you seen Flight of Passage?

[00:50:04] How much footage is there that is in that movie, the way of water?

[00:50:08] There's so much way of water footage in there.

[00:50:10] That's true. There is a lot, but I think they're going to do.

[00:50:12] And it's a movie.

[00:50:13] So you just changed the movie.

[00:50:15] Yeah, but I don't know.

[00:50:18] I think I think they do.

[00:50:19] I think they do a boat ride.

[00:50:20] Well, they'd have one in Florida too.

[00:50:22] I suppose it's lame and it's right underneath the other.

[00:50:25] I'm just saying they're doing the same thing.

[00:50:27] They're going to say it is a massive building.

[00:50:31] It is. We did try to map that up before.

[00:50:33] And just for the listener and we're

[00:50:36] we're done minutes over our time for the listener.

[00:50:40] The Eric, you said that someone told you

[00:50:43] that the Toy Story Lad is 50 acres smaller than DCA.

[00:50:48] DCA being a 60 acre theme park, so it's 10 acres.

[00:50:51] What?

[00:50:51] Fifty acres and you're right down the number wrong.

[00:50:54] I think so because I think DCA maybe 45 acres.

[00:50:57] Maybe I wrote down the wrong.

[00:50:59] Maybe 15 is the number.

[00:51:04] Anyway, pass show correction.

[00:51:05] Yeah. OK. No, we're not going to pass show.

[00:51:08] Correct that because I'm not going to look it up.

[00:51:10] OK, great.

[00:51:12] Anyway, so I think that that was fun.

[00:51:14] Thank you. And did we have any closing statements?

[00:51:17] Anything new that has come up since we've been talking for the last 35 minutes?

[00:51:21] My closing statement is that

[00:51:25] I love Avatar.

[00:51:27] It's my favorite movie. Great.

[00:51:29] You're not alone.

[00:51:30] I watched The Way of Water last week.

[00:51:33] Hey, yeah, we've got some mail.

[00:51:36] We have a mail bag of mail.

[00:51:40] Hey, what's up, everybody?

[00:51:43] It's time for the mail bag of mail.

[00:51:46] That's where all the mail goes in the bag.

[00:51:48] And then I close the bag and then I open the bag.

[00:51:51] And now I'm now the bag is closed.

[00:51:52] You see it's closed and I'm going to open it up.

[00:51:55] And look what we have in here.

[00:51:57] We have a letter.

[00:51:59] It's a handwritten letter with lipstick kisses on it from

[00:52:05] Toy Soldier Mike.

[00:52:07] He says, hey, Jimmy, thanks for reading my mail.

[00:52:10] Last episode.

[00:52:11] I'm a little confused, though.

[00:52:13] I listened to 117 episodes.

[00:52:15] Have we done that many episodes?

[00:52:17] Yeah, more than.

[00:52:18] Yeah, this is.

[00:52:19] Wow.

[00:52:20] Where's our hundredth episode?

[00:52:22] Episode. Great question.

[00:52:24] Over the past three plus months,

[00:52:27] but I haven't heard a new one in a few weeks.

[00:52:30] I thought you came out with a new episode every day.

[00:52:32] Anyway, stay safe out there and be kind to one another.

[00:52:36] Fresh baked.

[00:52:37] He has a big share of fresh baked guy doing that.

[00:52:40] Fresh baked salute.

[00:52:42] That's from Toy Soldier Mike.

[00:52:44] That is that's all I got in the.

[00:52:47] What do you have to say about that?

[00:52:48] I think we kind of covered that, right?

[00:52:49] I think we covered the reason why

[00:52:51] than not some new episodes.

[00:52:53] But thank you for your loyalty, Toy Soldier Mike.

[00:52:56] Eric, there was another message about love.

[00:53:00] Yes, there was.

[00:53:02] There was a message about love because I've been talking to

[00:53:06] Mike is now a mail bag of mail.

[00:53:08] That's right.

[00:53:10] Dupie.

[00:53:14] There we go.

[00:53:15] And you have been talking to Mike about being on the hub crawl

[00:53:18] and we'll eventually get the schedule worked out where he will be on that.

[00:53:21] But he did refer to T.S.R.

[00:53:23] as his long lost love.

[00:53:27] We love you too, Mike.

[00:53:28] We sure do.

[00:53:30] Everybody else thinks I'm talking to you, but I'm talking to you.

[00:53:35] OK, thank you.

[00:53:36] There goes.

[00:53:38] Goodbye.

[00:53:39] All right, so for our final topic today,

[00:53:42] I would like to talk about some small things that are different

[00:53:46] between Disneyland and Disney World and perhaps what's better between the two.

[00:53:52] And one thing that kind of kept coming up

[00:53:54] and we talked about it a little bit, but I want to talk about condiment stations.

[00:54:00] You really ran with this.

[00:54:02] Yeah, so Eric was recently at Disney World.

[00:54:05] You've listened to the last couple of episodes, you know,

[00:54:08] while he was there, he was vehemently

[00:54:11] photographing condiment stations for those of you who have never been to Disney World.

[00:54:16] Go to I think of Tomorrowland Terrace, right?

[00:54:19] But make it is that what it's still called Galactic Grill?

[00:54:22] Galactic Grill at Disneyland.

[00:54:24] Yeah, at Disneyland.

[00:54:25] Yeah. So put that in a giant building

[00:54:29] with a robot animatronic from Unorq City.

[00:54:35] They've listened to the episode they know.

[00:54:37] Yeah. So, you know, you're getting your burger at the Galactic Grill

[00:54:42] and you go get a ketchup packet or mustard or mayonnaise or whatever.

[00:54:46] You go to the let's call that a equivalent at Disney World in

[00:54:51] Cosmic Ray's Starlight Cafe.

[00:54:53] And in addition to those condiments that you have in pump stations,

[00:54:58] you also have shredded lettuce and sliced tomatoes

[00:55:02] and onion and grilled onions.

[00:55:05] Is this more than just Pecos Bill?

[00:55:09] Yeah, I like the grills.

[00:55:10] Got I mean, Pecos Bill's going, Eric, shut me down.

[00:55:13] I hate to break it to you, Jimmy, but break it.

[00:55:18] We got we got we got to break it down here

[00:55:20] because currently the condiment station is it's the same

[00:55:25] stainless steel structure with the sneeze guard over it.

[00:55:28] But inside it's a bunch of that there's a sad there.

[00:55:33] There are two sad pumps of of ketchup

[00:55:37] and then a whole bunch of containers of packets of mustard,

[00:55:41] mayo relish, armor. Yeah.

[00:55:44] The the the veritable lettuce pickle station.

[00:55:48] I want to do a current show correction, though,

[00:55:50] because what you're describing, Jimmy, is not really so much

[00:55:54] of condiment station as it is a fix in station.

[00:55:58] Fix and excuse me. Yeah.

[00:56:00] But you don't have those.

[00:56:01] The real who's who've watched you sped it down.

[00:56:04] That's fi-exense fi-exense.

[00:56:07] Have you seen this show?

[00:56:08] So I have not.

[00:56:10] Eric, so having recently been and forgive me

[00:56:13] because I thought it was still there,

[00:56:15] I know covid did away with a lot of stuff, but I thought it came back.

[00:56:17] Are there fi-exense stations anywhere at Disney World?

[00:56:21] Not not exactly at the polite pig in down in Disney Springs.

[00:56:28] Some barbecue sauce.

[00:56:29] They do have a multi-pump multi-barbecue station.

[00:56:32] Multi variety. Yeah.

[00:56:34] Yeah, there's there's a large variety of pumps.

[00:56:37] You can have everything under the sun like barbecue ranch.

[00:56:40] There's southern gold sweet sauce.

[00:56:45] I can't read some of these porter sauce.

[00:56:48] OK, made with with beer.

[00:56:51] And there's even a pump for mayonnaise.

[00:56:58] And I bet they have tapatio and we could make manatee.

[00:57:01] Oh, we sure can.

[00:57:01] They do have they do have hot sauce right next to it.

[00:57:04] They so they don't have tapatio, but they have a

[00:57:06] did you make it over to Pekos spills, Eric, before it becomes Tiana's?

[00:57:09] You know, I did not go into Pekos spills this time.

[00:57:12] I didn't think about about witnessing their fix.

[00:57:15] Because I think they did away with the fix and station there too.

[00:57:19] They have salsa and whatever in packets.

[00:57:21] Are there no more fi-exense stations?

[00:57:23] Man, everything I saw was just bowls of packets.

[00:57:27] Even outside Casey's, they just it was just bowls of packets.

[00:57:31] Well, never mind then.

[00:57:33] How do we feel about the proximity to the shopping district?

[00:57:36] Let's Disneyland forward being speculative.

[00:57:39] Let's talk about what's today.

[00:57:40] The shopping district at Disneyland is right outside the gates.

[00:57:44] Do we like that better or do we like to have that separate on a bus

[00:57:47] in a shopping district that's by itself?

[00:57:51] It makes it a destination like you have to set us

[00:57:54] unless you're staying at Saratoga Springs or

[00:57:57] or maybe one of the good neighbors, like Porter Leans,

[00:58:01] one of or one of the good neighbors.

[00:58:03] Yeah, for if you're not staying there for us, it's like this is the night

[00:58:07] we're going to make sure we go to the springs and get some dinner

[00:58:10] and do our shopping afternoon flight on Saturday.

[00:58:12] We're going to go there in the morning. Right.

[00:58:14] That sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:58:15] So do you like that better?

[00:58:16] I think it depends on where I I don't think it's a one

[00:58:21] fix for either because I think that the way it's set up

[00:58:25] just works for each one.

[00:58:28] I don't have an answer that I don't think I have an answer

[00:58:30] because like to me, taking a bus to a shopping district

[00:58:35] is depressing and I don't want to do that.

[00:58:39] But but that's purely because of I think where I'm coming from.

[00:58:42] To me, did we already do an episode on Genie Plus Land View World?

[00:58:47] I don't believe so.

[00:58:49] You mean Genie Plus?

[00:58:50] Oh, no, we haven't. We have not done that.

[00:58:52] Yeah, because we definitely want to do an episode about the apps,

[00:58:54] my Disney Experience versus Disneyland app and their user friendliness.

[00:58:59] But one of the things I was talking to my kids about because we're,

[00:59:02] you know, my oldest went to Disney World with this band in February

[00:59:06] and he hasn't been to Disneyland since, I don't know, two years ago.

[00:59:10] One of the things we talked about going, we're going for two days.

[00:59:13] We're staying for three nights at the Disneyland Hotel at the new tower.

[00:59:16] And, you know, we were talking about proximity

[00:59:18] and I asked this question to my family, like, what are things that you like better or worse?

[00:59:22] And the thing about Genie Plus at Disneyland

[00:59:26] is that you could be at it's a small world riding that ride,

[00:59:31] have a lightning lane for in credit coaster

[00:59:35] on the other side of an other theme park.

[00:59:38] And you could be there in 10 minutes.

[00:59:40] True. And so just that again, size is size.

[00:59:43] Let's just take size out of the equation.

[00:59:45] But the proximity of these things and how much more efficient Genie Plus is

[00:59:50] and how much more worthwhile it is because you have access to all of these

[00:59:54] attractions and such a small proximity makes Genie Plus a much more useful,

[00:59:59] much more valuable for your money.

[01:00:01] Yeah. Yeah. I think

[01:00:04] of course we never will come up with a conclusive answer, which one's better?

[01:00:08] Right. But I think if if there's a theme that's emerging here,

[01:00:13] I think it really comes down to are you going to be on vacation for seven days

[01:00:18] or are you going to a theme park for two or three?

[01:00:21] And and I think that if you're going on vacation for seven days,

[01:00:26] don't go to Disneyland, go to Southern California.

[01:00:28] If you're going or go to Disney World and don't do anything else

[01:00:34] because you can do that if you're but if you're just theme park

[01:00:38] in for two or three days, Disneyland is that's a great amount of time to do that.

[01:00:43] Anymore and just go to knots.

[01:00:46] We had this conversation a little bit with with David on our last episode

[01:00:50] of how long should you go to Disney World?

[01:00:52] And coincidentally, two days later, I had a client refer their in-laws.

[01:00:58] They've only been to Disneyland, their West Coasters.

[01:01:01] They've only ever been to Disneyland, never been to Disney World.

[01:01:03] They call me what should we do?

[01:01:05] How long should we go?

[01:01:06] For what kind of concierge?

[01:01:08] Oh, what is concierge, Jimmy?

[01:01:10] So concierge is a vacation planning service where you pay no extra.

[01:01:13] We'll do all the planning for you.

[01:01:15] I've booked their flights for them.

[01:01:16] I've booked their vacation package.

[01:01:19] I'm doing their dining reservations.

[01:01:20] I'm doing a full touring plan for them who've never been to Disney World before.

[01:01:23] They're staying at the Swann and Dolphin.

[01:01:25] I'll give you an example.

[01:01:26] I said, you know, the best place to say they're in their 70s, right?

[01:01:30] They've never been to Disney World before.

[01:01:31] They're only Disneyland people.

[01:01:33] And so I presume they're going to like Epcot best.

[01:01:37] So I said you should stay behind Epcot Beach Club,

[01:01:40] Yacht Club, Boardwalk.

[01:01:42] It's swolfin'.

[01:01:43] So I said the boardwalk is great.

[01:01:45] Like Beach Club, Yacht Club, probably too expensive for what you really want.

[01:01:49] They're their deluxe resorts.

[01:01:50] Boardwalk also a deluxe resort, but less expensive because there are more rooms, right?

[01:01:55] Supply and demand, etc.

[01:01:56] So I looked at a package for them and I said, first of all,

[01:02:00] you want to go to the parks for five days.

[01:02:02] This is your first time.

[01:02:03] If you want to see everything go for a month, if you want to get the good

[01:02:07] gist of Disney World, like I really experienced Disney World.

[01:02:10] But man, there's so much we didn't see.

[01:02:12] Go for five days, dedicate one day per park, still park hop,

[01:02:16] but just dedicate one day per park.

[01:02:18] There's four and then have a fifth floater.

[01:02:21] Right.

[01:02:21] So get there on a Sunday, leave on a Saturday, spend Monday through Friday at the parks.

[01:02:26] Stay behind Epcot.

[01:02:27] We looked at the boardwalk and it was $6,200 for them to stay at the

[01:02:32] boardwalk, standard room, standard view, five day park hopper passes.

[01:02:37] That's pretty nice.

[01:02:38] And then I said, so 60 they were like, great, that sounds good.

[01:02:41] Let's book it.

[01:02:42] And then I said, okay, now the wife in this scenario said, how do we avoid kids?

[01:02:49] And I said, you don't go to Disney World.

[01:02:52] And she said, well, I've been around kids.

[01:02:54] I used to teach whatever I just don't want them in my face all the time.

[01:02:56] I said, okay, well what you do instead, $6,200 is in your budget.

[01:03:01] That's great.

[01:03:02] So let's look next door.

[01:03:03] Literally next door is the Swann and Dolphin.

[01:03:05] They're merry up properties.

[01:03:06] They're on Disney property.

[01:03:08] You have the same access to Epcot.

[01:03:10] You have the same access to Hollywood studios on the Skyliner or the

[01:03:13] Friendships or whatever.

[01:03:15] It's a nice room, recently renovated.

[01:03:17] The Dolphin Hotel is a Sheraton property.

[01:03:19] You can stay there at the same amount of time, same views, same access to

[01:03:24] the boardwalk, same access to everything else.

[01:03:26] It's $4,200.

[01:03:29] So they were able to save $2,000 because I understood them as people.

[01:03:34] I understood what their needs are.

[01:03:35] And because it's a convention hotel, there will be less children just by

[01:03:40] nature of the property.

[01:03:42] So anyway, that's kind of an advertisement of concierge.

[01:03:46] Just once we get to kind of know what you're into, what you want, we just

[01:03:50] saved them $2,000.

[01:03:51] Their flights total round trip or $1,000.

[01:03:54] So before they, after they buy food and whatever else, they'll end up

[01:03:58] having a vacation that will have cost them the same amount as just the

[01:04:03] hotel and theme parks if they were to stay at the boardwalk, which is 200 feet away.

[01:04:08] Anyway, don't remember what the original point was.

[01:04:10] Well, while you're thinking of the original point, I just want to point out

[01:04:13] to our listeners that because we are two out of the three of us are pretty

[01:04:18] sure that Garden Walk is going to be purchased by Disney.

[01:04:21] That means that you have a short amount of time to visit such stores as

[01:04:25] Factory Extreme Clothing Store where you can get knockoff.

[01:04:30] How dare you?

[01:04:31] Uh, knockoff studio gear.

[01:04:36] St. Press.

[01:04:37] Sorry.

[01:04:37] S Preston Art and Designs.

[01:04:40] Primrose Market Boutique.

[01:04:45] Yeah, yeah.

[01:04:47] Formosa gift shop.

[01:04:49] Mystical gifts and souvenirs.

[01:04:52] All my tea.

[01:04:54] King Coffee.

[01:04:56] 528 Design Studio.

[01:04:59] It's a do it yourself shop, according to Google Maps.

[01:05:03] Argo Store, it's where you can get pet supplies.

[01:05:06] You know, Argo for it of it.

[01:05:08] Meeple's Family Game Store.

[01:05:11] Ride Makers Toy Store.

[01:05:13] I believe that there's probably stuff with marbles there.

[01:05:16] Case Mac Wireless.

[01:05:19] Eric, where you like different Castles?

[01:05:21] New World and Disneyland.

[01:05:22] Have you thought of any?

[01:05:23] An ATM machine.

[01:05:26] ATM machine.

[01:05:28] Oh, an ATM and access to money machine machine.

[01:05:31] Yes.

[01:05:33] Eric, have you thought of any small differences between Disneyland and Disney World?

[01:05:37] You want to highlight?

[01:05:38] He's ultra-louch.

[01:05:43] It's hard to believe that that property is going to go out of business.

[01:05:46] Right?

[01:05:47] Very yeah.

[01:05:48] Yeah, all those, those, including places like Ride Makers that used to be

[01:05:53] that's with a Z that used to be in downtown Disney and got through it.

[01:05:57] Yeah.

[01:05:58] So did House of Blues?

[01:06:01] Dan, remember Roy's Hawaiian Fusion?

[01:06:03] Pineapple martinis at the bar?

[01:06:05] Yep, I won't say anything more about it, but I do remember.

[01:06:07] I was the interestingest night of hailing the taxi.

[01:06:10] Anyway, Eric, what small things have you noticed?

[01:06:14] You just recently went to Disney World.

[01:06:15] You've spent more time at Disneyland of late.

[01:06:17] There's also Liberty X Bitcoin ATM.

[01:06:20] Oh, geez.

[01:06:22] Can you get Bitcoin out of that ATM?

[01:06:25] Maybe, let's see.

[01:06:26] That'd be fun.

[01:06:28] Head on over, Dan.

[01:06:29] Eric, hop on that train.

[01:06:31] I mean, really, we've kind of talked about a lot of this recently.

[01:06:35] You know, it was, it was fun shepherding David and his family through

[01:06:41] the Walt Disney World app.

[01:06:42] And it was fun talking to Concier Mike who hasn't been to Disneyland

[01:06:50] in many years and is planning for this trip that's coming up in a few weeks

[01:06:54] and telling him things about the Disneyland app where he's like,

[01:06:59] Sue, why don't, what do you mean you guys don't bring magic bands?

[01:07:02] I'm like, well, you can, but nobody really does.

[01:07:04] And vice versa with David.

[01:07:07] I mean, we'd be, yeah, we talked about all that stuff with David,

[01:07:10] but it was, it's now fun having the opposite conversation with Mike

[01:07:13] where he runs a travel company.

[01:07:16] And some of these details he hasn't had to deal with personally.

[01:07:19] He's like, this is why I have Disneyland experts on staff.

[01:07:23] I don't, I don't do those anymore.

[01:07:25] So we'll need to do a an app versus app.

[01:07:29] Yes, we'll do an app episode.

[01:07:30] We'll do a Disney or a Genie Plus episode.

[01:07:32] We will do a part of the conversation that I asked my family about these differences.

[01:07:37] My wife brought up refreshment corner versus Casey's corner.

[01:07:41] I love basically glorified hot dog stands.

[01:07:44] Oh, it's gonna be great.

[01:07:45] I can't wait for that one episode.

[01:07:47] The U of D Express ramen in Garden Walk has three stars.

[01:07:53] Jimmy suggested Wishing Wells.

[01:07:55] I like the Wishing Wells.

[01:07:57] That might be a fun little episode.

[01:07:58] I don't know if that's a full episode, but no, because,

[01:08:02] you know, spoiler alert, Walt Disney World, you might say, where is it?

[01:08:06] And he would not be wrong.

[01:08:09] That's correct. But there is one.

[01:08:11] There is one.

[01:08:12] You could put coins in, right? Somewhere like a.

[01:08:15] There is a.

[01:08:15] There's no snow.

[01:08:17] What is it?

[01:08:18] Everywhere, everywhere, there's a body of water.

[01:08:20] People are checking coins in there.

[01:08:22] Yeah, I don't understand the fascination with it.

[01:08:24] Yeah. But anyway, Dan, any other thoughts?

[01:08:28] Disneyland, Disney World differences on this specific topic,

[01:08:31] the shopping thing, I got nothing.

[01:08:34] But I don't know.

[01:08:37] I'm just fascinated by Garden Walk currently.

[01:08:39] I think you've lost me to that condiments.

[01:08:42] Brandy and I are our dinner people or lunch.

[01:08:46] We like to we like to go to restaurants and we like to shop.

[01:08:48] So we have difficult, depends on our trip.

[01:08:51] If we're alone, then we're going to spend a lot of time.

[01:08:54] And it's nice and easy to get to.

[01:08:56] I mean, you got to walk through downtown Disney

[01:08:58] if you're staying nearby.

[01:08:59] And and it's a little bit of a pain

[01:09:02] to get over to Disney Springs sometimes.

[01:09:04] You're there for a long trip and you want to devote hours.

[01:09:07] Yeah, five days.

[01:09:08] I'm just not a merch person.

[01:09:10] I mean, I don't know where this merch thing came from.

[01:09:13] I don't know that was never a topic.

[01:09:14] It's not necessarily merch like just shopping.

[01:09:16] We're just talking about the shopping in general adjacent.

[01:09:18] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:09:20] That doesn't have to be Disney merch.

[01:09:21] I don't think that's even that's that's not even a part of my part

[01:09:25] going into your house. Yeah, it really isn't.

[01:09:28] All right. We were talking about condiments.

[01:09:29] We were talking about shopping adjacent.

[01:09:31] We were talking about Genie Plus.

[01:09:32] Just little things like that.

[01:09:33] Is there anything that sticks out to you?

[01:09:34] It's like when you go to Disneyland, do you think, oh man,

[01:09:37] it would be nice if something, something Disney World.

[01:09:40] I think a variety of cuisine options.

[01:09:44] We could lose we could easily lose a hamburger place

[01:09:47] and have like a decent ramen, the ramen at the hotel

[01:09:51] sucks like an actual good ramen place. Right.

[01:09:54] You know, like stuff like that.

[01:09:56] All right. OK.

[01:09:57] Well, so does anybody do either of you have any other topics

[01:10:01] before we close up the old showbag?

[01:10:04] The showbag of show.

[01:10:05] I'd like to re-litigate the honomension right now.

[01:10:08] OK. OK.

[01:10:10] 1966 original concept art

[01:10:13] in 1956 showed a haunted house just off of Main Street.

[01:10:20] Buddy Baker was anyway.

[01:10:22] What do you think about the new

[01:10:24] the new honomension lounge on that they're putting onto the Disney treasure?

[01:10:27] Yeah, I think I don't follow the ships very well.

[01:10:30] I think that the more places they can put as many references as possible

[01:10:34] to my favorite ride, the honomension, because I'm an interesting person.

[01:10:39] It's it doesn't water down the property one bit.

[01:10:43] I say just put it everywhere.

[01:10:45] I want is this going to be the trader Sam's of haunted mansion?

[01:10:51] I think it's going to be more obnoxious because. Yeah.

[01:10:55] And is it also a proving ground for the theme parks?

[01:10:59] Oh, I think it might.

[01:11:01] Well, the treasure is supposed to be done

[01:11:03] and having its maiden voyage this winter.

[01:11:06] So I mean, they're going to have a fish tank with ghost fish in it.

[01:11:11] And there is going to be a mystery and they're bringing in the captain.

[01:11:15] If you know your mansion, Laura, you know,

[01:11:17] the captain was originally supposed to be a guy, the captain and his bride.

[01:11:23] They're pirates of the Caribbean bar across from pirates of the Caribbean

[01:11:27] at Disney World. That's a thing.

[01:11:30] All right. The final piece of speculation, Dan,

[01:11:33] Fantasmac is coming back. What is the dragon going to be?

[01:11:37] I think it's going to be the dragon. Same one.

[01:11:39] Well, different model.

[01:11:41] OK, I think I think that they they probably put some thought into how to

[01:11:46] close this thing and they thought we need to.

[01:11:49] And this is based on nothing other than just a tangent I went on last night

[01:11:54] because it occurred to me that I'm going to be there with the opening

[01:11:56] reopening weekend of Fantasmic.

[01:11:59] And those of you who have listened to every episode know how much I love that show.

[01:12:04] I think they probably went through a process where they were like, OK,

[01:12:07] we clearly need to clear up the charred remains of this Murphy

[01:12:11] and we need to come up with a whole new finale.

[01:12:14] And then, OK, well, that involves re-recording everything.

[01:12:17] And that involves like reimagining stuff.

[01:12:20] And it's going to it's like it's a big deal.

[01:12:22] And what do we get to replace this big moment?

[01:12:26] And they've said before, they're not they're going to reimagine it

[01:12:30] and they've heavily implied that it's not going to be any anything involving a dragon.

[01:12:34] And then we haven't heard anything.

[01:12:37] This thing's opening next weekend.

[01:12:39] If they had a replacement that we would have heard from Disney Parks

[01:12:44] and Imagination and Storytelling and Glorious Magic wishes,

[01:12:49] why we should be excited about this new thing?

[01:12:51] So you're saying we haven't heard anything.

[01:12:53] There's no hullabaloo.

[01:12:55] They're just going to have a water screen with a projection of.

[01:12:58] No, I think that they thought this through and they thought,

[01:13:01] what if we just like made everything fireproof

[01:13:06] and brought back Murphy in a fireproof version

[01:13:10] and let's like jam up the holes where they shoot the Cremora out or whatever.

[01:13:16] And if we don't say anything, people are going to lose their supreme

[01:13:22] when they see this thing return.

[01:13:24] And this is far better and probably more cost effective in the long run

[01:13:29] than reimagining this whole coming up with a new thing,

[01:13:32] reimagining it, disappointing people because people will be disappointed by it.

[01:13:38] I think this is the path of least resistance

[01:13:41] is just figure out a way to bring it back because we know this company

[01:13:46] if they were going to bring if they were going to change anything.

[01:13:49] Basically, it's either Murphy, miscreen of Murphy or nothing else

[01:13:55] because they were going to write.

[01:13:57] Yeah, but if but they've said before it won't be miscreened

[01:14:00] so they can't go back on that.

[01:14:02] OK, well, that still could be me be mode.

[01:14:04] Dan, maybe this episode comes out as you're listening to this.

[01:14:08] The Fantasmic is already open.

[01:14:10] So you already know what the show is.

[01:14:12] Yes. And it was wonderful.

[01:14:14] Yes. And as we're recording this, Dan, are the pirates gone?

[01:14:17] And is it back to Peter Pan?

[01:14:18] It's back to Peter Pan. OK.

[01:14:21] And they've already talked about that.

[01:14:22] But I really think I mean, you know this company,

[01:14:24] if they had come up with any replacement that was an action

[01:14:28] that was here all about it, we would have heard about like,

[01:14:30] you're not going to believe the way Tinkerbell,

[01:14:33] you know, gets a BBL and it bounces all over the stage.

[01:14:38] And Mickey fights her because I don't know.

[01:14:41] Like, maybe I hear Brazilian but left.

[01:14:45] OK, thank you.

[01:14:46] Oh, it's really they take fat from other parts of your body

[01:14:51] and squirt it in your butt.

[01:14:54] But it's more a medical procedure than what I just said.

[01:14:56] All right.

[01:14:57] Anything else about Fantasmic before we close it up?

[01:14:59] I've seen Fantasmic once.

[01:15:02] Hey, are we going to see it when we're together in June?

[01:15:04] Is it going to be open?

[01:15:05] It'll be open.

[01:15:06] Are they going to be showing it in the weekdays?

[01:15:07] Yeah, yeah, that summer.

[01:15:09] Oh, all right.

[01:15:10] It is a weekend.

[01:15:11] Let's do it. All right.

[01:15:12] Everybody listener happens.

[01:15:14] We whatever you want, Dan,

[01:15:15] I'll be there and I'm ready to stay up.

[01:15:19] Listener, thank you for listening.

[01:15:20] Thank you for your patience with us as we sort through,

[01:15:22] you know, things that are unrelated to the show.

[01:15:25] We appreciate your support and your love.

[01:15:27] And that's it.

[01:15:30] Concealers is eight, five, six hour years.

[01:15:31] You heard about the vacation planning.

[01:15:33] You too could potentially save money

[01:15:35] if you talk to the right people.

[01:15:37] They have a group of phenomenal vacation planners.

[01:15:39] Most of them better than me.

[01:15:41] But thank you for reaching out to me if you ever do.

[01:15:45] Thank you for the Rohrbach family for recently booking

[01:15:48] the aforementioned trip to Disney World.

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[01:15:54] And thank you, Dan and Eric,

[01:15:57] where there are other shows.

[01:15:58] The Supreme Resort is the one you're listening to.

[01:16:00] Scraping the Vault, the pent ultimate episode of whatever it was.

[01:16:05] What did you call that?

[01:16:07] The Fox and the Haltos just came out.

[01:16:09] Cinderella 3 is the next.

[01:16:11] The culmination of the podcast.

[01:16:15] And then Bantha Milk Boys and the puny pod.

[01:16:20] I've asked to be on the Thor Ragnarok episode

[01:16:22] because that was my introduction to the MCU in earnest.

[01:16:26] Wow.

[01:16:27] So I've requested to be a part of that episode.

[01:16:31] Yeah, and listen to Bowie Splaining

[01:16:33] also on all of your favorite podcast Catcher Apps

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[01:16:41] Bowie Splaining, we just released our pinups album

[01:16:43] and Eric and I loved that album very much.

[01:16:47] And we introduced a new game.

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[01:16:53] So listen to Bowie Splaining,

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[01:17:01] That's it, right, Eric?

[01:17:02] That's all your shows.

[01:17:02] Just keep listening.

[01:17:03] Come on, just the four.

[01:17:05] Over and over.

[01:17:06] Joe Rogan experience.

[01:17:08] Eric's on that.

[01:17:09] The Joe Rogan experience.

[01:17:10] Until next time, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,

[01:17:12] stay tuned, keep listening.

[01:17:14] Next episodes will include in park madness,

[01:17:18] some theme, some Disneyland adventures.

[01:17:20] We're going to get to the Hollywoodland final

[01:17:24] land episodes.

[01:17:26] We'll get back to re-litigating some of the other episodes

[01:17:28] you know and hate.

[01:17:31] And yeah, until next time, be good to each other

[01:17:33] and court is adjourned.

[01:18:06] We also might talk about.

[01:18:07] Oh, also after hours.

[01:18:09] Listen to after hours on the Patreon.

[01:18:12] Here's a Patreon we have after hours,

[01:18:14] which are a lot of fun.

[01:18:15] We eventually might get to talk about

[01:18:18] the Billy B's indoor playground.

[01:18:21] But first you have to join

[01:18:21] Patreon, which means you have to give Jason money,

[01:18:23] which is fine.

[01:18:24] You don't have to give five dollars

[01:18:26] and then you get access to after hours.

[01:18:31] I think Dan legit froze the second I hit the theme song.

[01:18:36] Oh, I thought he was just being contemplative.

[01:18:38] No, no.

[01:18:39] Your episode.

[01:18:41] I actually did after hours.

[01:18:42] Really, a lot of times we record before,

[01:18:44] so it's misnomer, but it's still fun.

[01:18:46] I'm telling you, don't tell that.

[01:18:51] Damn, I really hope he comes back

[01:18:53] because he really looks upload.

[01:18:55] He kind of looks a little disgusted.

[01:18:56] I'm talking.

[01:18:58] Yeah, a little bit.

[01:18:59] I'm here.

[01:18:59] A little disgusted.

[01:19:00] He's reading one of those one star reviews again.

[01:19:03] Yeah, we don't have a lot of them.

[01:19:04] We have, you know,

[01:19:06] scraping the vault only has five Star Wars reviews.

[01:19:09] Oh, good for them.

[01:19:12] Us.

[01:19:13] That's good for us.

[01:19:14] Scraping the vault.

[01:19:14] Now you're frozen.

[01:19:15] Yeah.

[01:19:15] OK, now you're back.

[01:19:16] Good.

[01:19:17] Well, good for it.

[01:19:17] Well, I'm not one of you.

[01:19:20] What are you coming on yours up?

[01:19:21] Scraping the vault here.

[01:19:22] Let me hit stop.

[01:19:23] Oh, am I actually.