The Case of the Main Street Christmases: Disneyland v Magic Kingdom

[00:00:00] Welcome to The Supreme Resort, Land V World, a podcast about Disneyland and Walt Disney World

[00:00:26] and which is the Supreme Resort?

[00:00:31] Each episode we will discuss and explore each resort land by land, park by park ride by

[00:00:35] ride to determine which is better.

[00:00:38] I'm your host Jimmy and thank you for joining me on this quest to help the greater good

[00:00:41] of humanity answer this long elusive question which is better, Disneyland or Walt Disney World.

[00:00:47] Joining me as always is Dan.

[00:00:48] Hi Dan.

[00:00:49] Hi Dan.

[00:00:50] I'm going to give a question screening.

[00:00:53] I hope your kids are near and I hope your kids are around like six grade to maybe ninth

[00:00:59] grade because I have a very special Christmas greeting for them.

[00:01:02] Merry Christmas.

[00:01:03] I hope your stockings are hung in your gun cave so Santa's God can skip it to your toilet.

[00:01:09] Merry Christmas.

[00:01:10] And we just losing their minds right now.

[00:01:12] And also I haven't used these earphones before.

[00:01:16] They're vibrating my ears and it tickles me.

[00:01:19] So I need to do something about that.

[00:01:22] We have Eric also.

[00:01:23] Hi Eric, how are your ears?

[00:01:25] My ears are great.

[00:01:26] I understood several of the words that Dan just said.

[00:01:29] I'm recovering from a migraine from this morning so in last week.

[00:01:35] Well yeah last week was bad.

[00:01:39] Yeah but hey we're recording the thing.

[00:01:42] This is the fifth podcast I've done.

[00:01:44] Yeah.

[00:01:45] Last week.

[00:01:46] Yay.

[00:01:47] That's commitment to you listener.

[00:01:48] You the listener Eric is doing it for you.

[00:01:51] Yeah.

[00:01:52] Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.

[00:01:55] I just want to say, okay if you think it's not you, it's you.

[00:01:59] I'm really talking.

[00:02:00] I'm really talking.

[00:02:01] I'm really talking.

[00:02:02] I'm really doing this for you.

[00:02:05] If you think it's not you, it's you.

[00:02:09] And if you want it to be not you, I'm sorry it's you.

[00:02:14] Get a regular Chris Pro us on our hands over here.

[00:02:16] Hey.

[00:02:18] He should be on the show.

[00:02:21] He should be indeed.

[00:02:22] I think he would be fun.

[00:02:24] In New Year phone news they don't vibrate.

[00:02:27] Okay so these ones are going to tickle you.

[00:02:30] No but they're pretty quiet.

[00:02:33] So guys I went to Disney World last week for business related but we went to animal kingdom

[00:02:40] on a Wednesday.

[00:02:41] This was December the 6th.

[00:02:44] Yes December 6th it was a Wednesday.

[00:02:47] We booked the park the day before.

[00:02:50] There were nine of us and we park over the eight.

[00:02:55] We were in Q rope drop at 730.

[00:03:00] Now for those who have been animal kingdom there are two ways to access the Discovery Island.

[00:03:05] There's one to the left that's for resort guests and one to the right for non-resort guests.

[00:03:09] We were the very first people at 730am to be in the rope drop and they didn't let us

[00:03:14] send until 8.

[00:03:17] 8 o'clock we left at 1230 so for those of you who are not big math quizzes that's 4.5 hours

[00:03:24] and 4.5 hours.

[00:03:25] I mean either did a whole lot or not much at all.

[00:03:30] Stay tuned.

[00:03:31] In 4 hours we did flight of passage, Kilimanjaro safaris.

[00:03:38] We did Collie River Rapids, Everest, dinosaur.

[00:03:43] It was tough to be a bug.

[00:03:46] Now we were in the journey and we had lunch in 4.5 hours.

[00:03:51] I was going to say you should have added on some lunch but you did the lunch.

[00:03:55] We did lunch at the Flamery BBQ, not the Centurly Canteen which is my new go-to but

[00:04:01] Flamery.

[00:04:02] So it was a good day to be a Disney World.

[00:04:05] It was wonderful.

[00:04:06] It was cold F. I think the high that day was 54.

[00:04:09] Holy cow.

[00:04:10] It was cold.

[00:04:11] It was really cold.

[00:04:12] Yeah, we got there on Monday it was 82.

[00:04:15] Tuesday it was 72.

[00:04:17] Wednesday it was like 54 I think something like that was cold.

[00:04:21] Wow I saw you wearing long sleeves and thought come on.

[00:04:25] Yeah come on.

[00:04:26] Shilly.

[00:04:27] Anyway so that was fun.

[00:04:30] It's rare.

[00:04:31] It's not a common thing to be able to do eight things in 4 hours anymore at any of these

[00:04:36] theme parks right?

[00:04:38] Yeah.

[00:04:39] It's so fun.

[00:04:41] As you're telling that story I'm thinking about like my experiences at Animal Kingdom

[00:04:46] and I think this happened when you and I went together the most recent time, Jimmy

[00:04:52] and it's not like any fault of yours or anything.

[00:04:54] It's just when I just want to be clear in case it sounds that way because like when

[00:05:00] I conceived of going I was like I just want to spend some time hanging out in these

[00:05:05] lush environments and just like taking it in and soaking on all the thing because that's

[00:05:10] what the park seems to be really built for in some ways.

[00:05:14] But then anytime like the fact that I was at Disney World always would get in the way

[00:05:21] of that totally by my own doing because it was just like yeah I could sit in this lush

[00:05:27] atmosphere and take it in and even when I try it's like yeah but I could have covered

[00:05:33] their stuff.

[00:05:36] Yeah.

[00:05:37] Yeah it's a beautiful park and absolutely if I was with theme park lovers we would have

[00:05:43] done those eight things and then for the next six, seven hours we would have gone on the

[00:05:48] train back to the conservation station.

[00:05:50] We would have walked through the Maharaja jungle track.

[00:05:54] We would have walked through the grill of stuff.

[00:05:56] We would have walked through the tree of life in Discovery Island.

[00:05:59] We would have probably gone on Everest again.

[00:06:01] Then been there for, because you know it's sun goes down like 445 right now.

[00:06:07] So we would have been there for the bioluminescence but they weren't big theme park fans so instead

[00:06:13] they went back to the hotel and sat in the hot tub and drink beer.

[00:06:16] Nice.

[00:06:17] That's pretty awesome.

[00:06:19] And then we door dashed little seasors.

[00:06:22] Ooh little seasors.

[00:06:25] Bala.

[00:06:26] Not even dominoes.

[00:06:28] Ew.

[00:06:29] Sorry.

[00:06:30] You like little seasors better than dominoes?

[00:06:33] I actually do.

[00:06:34] Little seasors is my go to and I think it's just a childhood thing but my new favorite pizza

[00:06:40] of all time is from a little chain called Nancy's Pizzeria.

[00:06:45] I think there are 65 locations in the greater Chicago land area and they're moving their way.

[00:06:50] It is the single best deep dish pizza I've ever had.

[00:06:52] Oh no, no.

[00:06:53] Nancy's is the best.

[00:06:55] I didn't realize.

[00:06:56] I didn't realize.

[00:06:57] You love it.

[00:06:58] What Nancy's was because that's the best deep dish.

[00:07:02] There's an Nancy's like 10 minutes from my house in Atlanta and oh my god.

[00:07:07] For a while it was once a week but it's so good.

[00:07:12] The quality is so good.

[00:07:14] I would get a small deep dish which no one else will eat in my family.

[00:07:17] They don't like it.

[00:07:18] I get a small deep dish, a medium thin crust and it's legit thin crust right?

[00:07:22] Oh yeah.

[00:07:23] Yeah for sure.

[00:07:24] I mean the deep dish is two and a half inches deep but it is legit.

[00:07:29] But I would order a block of cheese.

[00:07:31] It is so good.

[00:07:32] Small deep dish, medium thin crust and a salad was $80.

[00:07:36] It's insane.

[00:07:38] So anyway we don't do that a lot anymore.

[00:07:41] I have a question.

[00:07:42] I'm sorry speaking a little secers were you aware that the founder quietly paid for

[00:07:47] as a park's rent for years?

[00:07:49] No.

[00:07:50] What?

[00:07:51] Yeah.

[00:07:52] No, it's true story right?

[00:07:53] Hold on.

[00:07:54] V-rosa parks.

[00:07:55] V-rosa parks.

[00:07:56] V-rosa parks.

[00:07:57] Yeah no, not let's say it's a turret target.

[00:07:59] It has a pretty big impact.

[00:08:02] It's a pretty good story.

[00:08:03] You can't really get around saying it, shortly after her famed defiance.

[00:08:08] Oh in 1994 parks was robbed and assaulted in her home at the 1881.

[00:08:13] Keith himself an important legal figure in the civil rights movement.

[00:08:16] Work defined parks a new safer apartment at the riverfront apartments of Detroit according

[00:08:21] to the sports business daily.

[00:08:24] I-illage, that's the founder read the story in the newspaper and called this person offering

[00:08:29] to pay for parks housing indefinitely.

[00:08:33] That's so cool.

[00:08:34] Yeah, I think little season is still family owned if i'm not mistaken.

[00:08:37] Yeah.

[00:08:38] Oh very cool.

[00:08:39] Yeah excellent.

[00:08:40] Wow.

[00:08:41] We slowly become a pizza review podcast.

[00:08:44] Woo.

[00:08:45] Look out doleboys we're coming to work.

[00:08:48] We're probably going to skip over Jimmy uh, Jimmy johns but anyhow.

[00:08:53] What is PWN?

[00:08:55] What is PWN?

[00:08:57] Pony?

[00:08:59] What does that mean?

[00:09:00] It's, Eric, you might know the actual rich history

[00:09:03] of this.

[00:09:04] I usually just take the slang and use it.

[00:09:06] I believe it is making fun of the sort of person

[00:09:12] who would first of all talk about owning somebody

[00:09:15] but also be so excited about it.

[00:09:17] They would type it in as PWN.

[00:09:21] Why?

[00:09:23] Because it's making fun of weird nerdy gamers, I think.

[00:09:28] It's gameers slang.

[00:09:30] It's owning somebody.

[00:09:31] It's a, yeah.

[00:09:34] Hey, I totally took you out and now I'm going to have my character

[00:09:45] squat over your character, your character's corpse.

[00:09:49] And yeah, there we go.

[00:09:51] So, and defecate presumably?

[00:09:54] No, no, no.

[00:09:55] It's just implied.

[00:09:56] It's a ballsy thing.

[00:09:57] Oh, that's not it.

[00:09:58] Okay, so if our messenger thread is to believe,

[00:10:01] believe there's going to be a lot of poning in this episode.

[00:10:04] I am.

[00:10:05] Epic ponage.

[00:10:07] Epic ponage.

[00:10:08] In future episode, in future Supreme Resort episode news,

[00:10:13] the haunted mansion is closing for refurbishment.

[00:10:16] Currently featuring the Honda Mansion holiday overlay.

[00:10:18] Guess last chance to experience the ride will be January 21st,

[00:10:21] 2024, according to the Disneyland Resort official hours

[00:10:25] and events calendar.

[00:10:26] On January 22nd, it will go down for refurbishment.

[00:10:30] No opening date has been given.

[00:10:32] The rumors indicate the regular version of the attraction

[00:10:34] will not return until after the 2024 holiday season

[00:10:38] and the annual Honda Mansion holiday overlay, meaning early 2025.

[00:10:46] Dan, go.

[00:10:47] Just close it.

[00:10:48] Just close it.

[00:10:49] Just make it a Honda Mansion holiday all the time.

[00:10:51] I do not give a shit anymore.

[00:10:52] I'm so tired of this.

[00:10:54] Just close it.

[00:10:56] I don't want to even, the ride is absolutely dead to me.

[00:11:01] I just let the obnoxious Tim Burton fanboys win.

[00:11:05] I do not care.

[00:11:06] Eric's right there.

[00:11:10] It's like Tim's my best friend.

[00:11:13] It's not even that good of a movie.

[00:11:15] It's like people just figured out

[00:11:19] that they liked it because it's like,

[00:11:21] oh, I'm dark and interesting.

[00:11:23] And this movie is dark and interesting.

[00:11:24] And Tim Burton's dark and he's not interesting by the way.

[00:11:29] His movies are except for big fish.

[00:11:31] They're terrible.

[00:11:33] That none of the characters learn anything.

[00:11:35] None of them change in any of his movies.

[00:11:37] And his dark and interesting stuff

[00:11:40] is just lazy expressionism.

[00:11:44] And it's not even done well.

[00:11:45] I will admit that Sally has no purpose.

[00:11:50] That's true.

[00:11:51] There's no nightmare.

[00:11:52] This Tom Cornwall is over here as well.

[00:11:54] I mean, but seriously,

[00:11:59] it's I am so tired of also people's

[00:12:03] like they're promoting the Honda Mansion.

[00:12:05] And that's great.

[00:12:06] And they have all this Honda Mansion merchandise crap.

[00:12:08] And that's great.

[00:12:09] But then it's not even the Honda Mansion

[00:12:12] like more than half of the year.

[00:12:14] And at this point, like who?

[00:12:16] Like stop.

[00:12:17] This year in particular.

[00:12:18] Yeah.

[00:12:19] It was more than half of the year

[00:12:21] was either construction or holiday.

[00:12:27] Well, I'm excited about that.

[00:12:28] The movie came out.

[00:12:29] Yeah.

[00:12:30] Well, the movie didn't do well as evidenced

[00:12:33] by the fact that neither of you've seen it.

[00:12:35] I saw it.

[00:12:36] Oh, you did.

[00:12:37] Did we talk to that movie?

[00:12:38] Remember?

[00:12:39] Oh, we both thought.

[00:12:40] That's right.

[00:12:40] We also talked.

[00:12:41] We saw it together recorded a podcast about it.

[00:12:43] Did you see it or haunted mansion?

[00:12:45] H haunted mansion.

[00:12:46] How do we mention it?

[00:12:47] Do you think that movie is better?

[00:12:49] Do you think a movie is better received

[00:12:51] and a blockbuster?

[00:12:53] Does this overlay go away?

[00:12:56] No, because people won't shut up

[00:12:57] about how much they love this fucking overlay.

[00:12:59] Oh my god.

[00:13:00] Oh no.

[00:13:02] It's beginning to look good.

[00:13:04] I'm not bluffing that.

[00:13:07] It's just so stupid.

[00:13:10] And so much of it really does in my opinion come from just

[00:13:17] the most obnoxious people who are like,

[00:13:22] I am an interesting person.

[00:13:24] It's like the same personality type

[00:13:26] that's just like, I'm going to identify with the Empire

[00:13:29] which is like a fascist organization in Star Wars

[00:13:32] because that makes me an interesting person.

[00:13:35] It's like, you idiot.

[00:13:37] Is the movie?

[00:13:38] But you're OK.

[00:13:38] OK.

[00:13:39] Now you're coming at me directly.

[00:13:42] Not intentionally.

[00:13:44] I couldn't wait to see the overlay the first time

[00:13:49] I went to Disneyland.

[00:13:50] That's acceptable.

[00:13:51] That's totally never been there.

[00:13:54] And I knew that there was this overlay

[00:13:56] and I wanted to see it because I enjoy nightmare.

[00:14:01] I remember watching it many times.

[00:14:04] But I remember liking that movie too.

[00:14:05] And then this happened.

[00:14:07] And finding out that Haunted Mansion,

[00:14:11] one of my favorite things they had an overlay.

[00:14:14] Yes.

[00:14:15] I wanted to see the different version.

[00:14:20] And also, I like the Empire not for the fascism

[00:14:27] but because it's a bunch of people

[00:14:29] that were forced into a life where

[00:14:37] sometimes you just need a job.

[00:14:39] OK?

[00:14:40] They were just helping orders.

[00:14:42] Somehow, pal, with the return.

[00:14:45] And where else are you going to get a job on Coruscant?

[00:14:50] Come on.

[00:14:51] Like somebody's got to do the job and then you find out,

[00:14:55] oh no, I'm shooting at the good guys.

[00:14:58] Oh no.

[00:14:59] Well, that's from a certain point of view, right?

[00:15:01] Maybe that's why there's so bad shooting.

[00:15:02] Maybe it's there.

[00:15:03] It's subconscious.

[00:15:04] OK, do you guys want to know?

[00:15:06] I just find it.

[00:15:08] Yeah, Jimmy, please.

[00:15:09] Sorry.

[00:15:10] I was going to say at some point we'll

[00:15:13] have to relitigate that episode.

[00:15:14] But it just does a reminder for everyone

[00:15:16] who is all upset about Haunted Mansion episode.

[00:15:18] The reason it lost is the reason Dan is upset.

[00:15:21] That's the reason that it happened.

[00:15:23] Oh no, it really lost.

[00:15:24] We lost Jimmy.

[00:15:26] What?

[00:15:27] We didn't hear what you said for like five seconds.

[00:15:29] Well, the listeners did because I'm still recording.

[00:15:32] All right.

[00:15:34] Let's hope that the tester kept up with it.

[00:15:37] So I said, again, sorry for the listener,

[00:15:40] but that the reason Haunted Mansion lost that episode

[00:15:43] is because of this overlay.

[00:15:45] Yeah, right.

[00:15:46] So we won't need to relitigate once.

[00:15:49] Well, no, I know.

[00:15:50] But I'm just saying that that's the whole point

[00:15:52] we've been talking about it for years.

[00:15:53] But when this new gazebo and expanded courtyard and all

[00:15:58] that stuff, when that opens now that we have the hatbox

[00:16:00] goes to Norlando, which transitions me real quick

[00:16:03] to why I'm the worst Disney fan.

[00:16:07] I'm in Orlando.

[00:16:10] The day or like three days after the hatbox goes

[00:16:13] gets into Haunted Mansion.

[00:16:15] I don't go to the Magic Kingdom.

[00:16:16] I'm in Orlando.

[00:16:17] The day the Walt Disney statue and the whole Epcot

[00:16:20] crater opens up, I don't go to Epcot.

[00:16:23] Yeah.

[00:16:24] Instead of animal kingdom.

[00:16:27] Yeah, but I mean, it's very cool.

[00:16:28] Yeah, you'll see the things though, right?

[00:16:30] I will.

[00:16:31] That's why I wasn't really worried about it.

[00:16:32] I mean, they're the day of, although there were like hour

[00:16:33] long lines to go sit with Walt.

[00:16:35] I would not have done that.

[00:16:36] Yeah.

[00:16:37] And I think just to put a bow or a button or whatever

[00:16:40] on this, I think what I'm really trying to say is,

[00:16:45] what direction do I want to go with this?

[00:16:48] OK, since here.

[00:16:49] I think it, to me, it causes a lot of cognitive dissonance

[00:16:54] to say, here's this ride that we want to pay tribute to

[00:16:58] and treasure and all this stuff.

[00:17:00] And then every year, just take a giant shit in its mouth.

[00:17:08] Sorry, Supreme.

[00:17:09] I mean, all right.

[00:17:11] The Haunted Mansion holiday is better than the original

[00:17:13] Haunted Mansion.

[00:17:14] OK, we're moving on.

[00:17:15] No.

[00:17:16] Just get ready.

[00:17:17] Just make it permanent.

[00:17:18] I just, I barely get to see it anyway.

[00:17:23] Just make it always the holiday.

[00:17:26] And I wish.

[00:17:26] How was the tree?

[00:17:29] Oh, it's great.

[00:17:31] I can't wait.

[00:17:32] I'll be there next week.

[00:17:34] That's right.

[00:17:35] We're going to not.

[00:17:36] Ooh, ooh.

[00:17:36] We might go to nots.

[00:17:37] We're going to be in Southern California

[00:17:39] that we between Christmas and New Year's

[00:17:40] and we're talking about because Disneyland is ridiculous.

[00:17:44] $1,000 for people to go for a day.

[00:17:46] I even, even nots will tell you, do

[00:17:51] you want to come to nots twice this year?

[00:17:53] You should buy an annual pass.

[00:17:55] Yeah.

[00:17:56] So we're thinking about going to nots for me.

[00:17:58] Recommended when I was buying a ticket.

[00:18:01] Maybe you should buy an annual pass.

[00:18:04] Come tomorrow, pay for the whole thing.

[00:18:07] Well, if you haven't noticed, it's

[00:18:08] our special Christmas episode where we filled with all

[00:18:11] the dates here.

[00:18:12] It wasn't obvious from the language that it was in obviously.

[00:18:17] This is the episode of the case of the Christmas on Main Street.

[00:18:20] So Dan and Eric have done extensive research

[00:18:23] on Christmas around Main Street.

[00:18:26] Specifically, there's obviously Christmas

[00:18:27] all throughout the resorts.

[00:18:28] We're going to focus on Main Street

[00:18:30] because that's one thing they both share.

[00:18:32] This discussion will include vehicles,

[00:18:34] it'll include decorations, it'll include shows,

[00:18:37] celebrities, parades, Christmas specials.

[00:18:41] You name it.

[00:18:42] We have lists of celebrities.

[00:18:44] CND list, alike, and reaches Philbin.

[00:18:49] So we're going to get started.

[00:18:50] Obviously, A right there.

[00:18:52] That's right.

[00:18:53] Presumably.

[00:18:54] Presumably?

[00:18:55] Yes.

[00:18:56] Yeah.

[00:18:57] Disneyland's first with Christmas on Main Street?

[00:19:03] Yes.

[00:19:03] Yeah, Christmas happened earlier than Walt Disney World.

[00:19:09] Let's definitely have some time.

[00:19:11] That's right.

[00:19:12] Oh yeah.

[00:19:12] Technically these days, Disneyland came first

[00:19:15] but are Disney World.

[00:19:16] Anyway, the point is Dan is going to give us

[00:19:18] an opening statement about Christmas on Main Street, USA.

[00:19:24] Before I do, I have a fun fact follow up

[00:19:26] from our friend David from previous episode.

[00:19:29] Oh the FF.

[00:19:30] I forgot to mention this.

[00:19:31] That the Turo Kart across the street

[00:19:33] from Mr. Lincoln at Disneyland is referred to as Walt's Kart

[00:19:38] because it, I guess, they used to have ice cream

[00:19:41] and when he would go there or go to Disneyland

[00:19:43] with his kids in his, his NFUs.

[00:19:45] And that's where he would just,

[00:19:47] he would always stop and get the ice cream.

[00:19:49] And apparently it's still,

[00:19:52] I guess they just kind of like make necessary repairs

[00:19:57] and they kind of let it be old, apparently.

[00:20:01] They don't have, not Sir's Turo's anyway.

[00:20:03] That's cute.

[00:20:04] Just like still refer to it as Walt's Kart.

[00:20:06] I forget the exact story but David was telling me

[00:20:09] about how they have an inventory name for each Kart

[00:20:12] everywhere in the parks.

[00:20:14] So like the, for example,

[00:20:17] the popcorn Kart in Fanson Island would be

[00:20:19] like popcorn fantasy too or something like that.

[00:20:22] Right.

[00:20:23] And I believe this one is referred to as Walt's Kart.

[00:20:29] Or so there is a,

[00:20:31] there is a series from Lego celebrating Disney 100

[00:20:35] and one of the Lego sets is like a film camera

[00:20:37] with film coming out of it.

[00:20:40] And there's a set with Mickey Mouse and Walt Disney.

[00:20:42] There's a Walt Disney minifigure.

[00:20:45] I want to go to there.

[00:20:47] Nice.

[00:20:48] Go ahead Dan.

[00:20:49] I need a tiny Walt Disney.

[00:20:52] Who does it?

[00:20:52] I have two Funko Walt Disney's but I need a Lego Walt Disney.

[00:20:57] I want his head.

[00:20:59] Anyway, so...

[00:21:02] See, could freeze it just to make it real.

[00:21:07] Yeah, that's exactly.

[00:21:08] So I'm gonna talk a little bit about nostalgia.

[00:21:13] Nostalgia is a, it's referred to and for this

[00:21:17] I'm gonna be referencing a paper from the journal

[00:21:24] of personality and social psychology called Nostalgia,

[00:21:29] content, triggers and functions.

[00:21:34] They say that it is a shared cultural memory

[00:21:37] which is an agreed upon starting point for social connection.

[00:21:41] There's a compelling evidence

[00:21:42] that I'm quoting directly from them here.

[00:21:45] There's compelling evidence that nostalgia

[00:21:46] is an allegue with other positive emotions

[00:21:48] such as love, pride and joy.

[00:21:50] Our findings indicate that like love,

[00:21:53] nostalgia bolsters social bonds.

[00:21:55] Well, that like pride nostalgia,

[00:21:58] that like pride nostalgia increases positive self-regard

[00:22:02] and that like joy, nostalgia generates positive effect.

[00:22:07] Now what is Main Street if not just a giant chunk

[00:22:10] of nostalgia?

[00:22:11] Right.

[00:22:13] They also sought to answer the related to the functions

[00:22:18] of Nostalgia, the question related

[00:22:20] to the functions of nostalgia.

[00:22:22] They took as their point of departure

[00:22:24] the idea that nostalgia bolsters social bonds

[00:22:26] increases positive self-regard and generates positive effect.

[00:22:31] They did a study and relative to participants

[00:22:35] in the control condition.

[00:22:36] Those in the Nostalgia condition reported greater confidence

[00:22:39] than their ability to initiate interactions

[00:22:42] in relationships, disclose personal information

[00:22:44] and provide emotional support to others.

[00:22:47] So in a lot of ways Main Street is as a piece of nostalgia,

[00:22:53] it does those good things for people.

[00:22:56] There's also such a thing as toxic nostalgia

[00:22:59] which is the refusal to acknowledge any fault

[00:23:02] in the time being nostalgic for.

[00:23:05] A-A-K-A went into see it all as good.

[00:23:07] The reverse can also be true,

[00:23:09] wanting to see it all as bad.

[00:23:11] So this is sort of like the woke scoleds versus the woke police

[00:23:14] one side is saying no everything was great.

[00:23:16] The other side was saying no nothing was great.

[00:23:20] There's also problems with nostalgia that can happen.

[00:23:23] People can experience nostalgic depression

[00:23:26] that is a yearning, colored with deeper tones

[00:23:28] of hopelessness or despair.

[00:23:30] And of course like any emotion

[00:23:31] it can be evoked through art

[00:23:33] and like anything that can be evoked through art

[00:23:36] it can be used cynically.

[00:23:38] Basically, if you're thinking what I'm thinking

[00:23:41] and you'd like an example of some of this,

[00:23:43] we're wind about 10 minutes

[00:23:44] and listen to the 100 mentioned holiday overlay.

[00:23:47] Conversation.

[00:23:48] What are you talking about?

[00:23:50] I'm just joking.

[00:23:52] I don't know what you're saying.

[00:23:54] That ride was always perfect

[00:23:57] and now it's always bad.

[00:23:59] That's right.

[00:24:01] Proceed.

[00:24:02] I think when I made these notes,

[00:24:05] I assumed that I would be able to tie them together

[00:24:08] and I should know myself better than that by now.

[00:24:11] I think what I'm just kind of laying the groundwork for is

[00:24:15] Main Street equals nostalgia, Disneyland's Main Street

[00:24:21] kind of does it in a more purposeful way

[00:24:28] in a lot of ways

[00:24:29] and this ties into their Christmas,

[00:24:31] this ties into their vehicles?

[00:24:34] How much of that nostalgia is yes you're right.

[00:24:36] I mean it's well documented

[00:24:39] that Disneyland Main Street specifically

[00:24:42] is sort of is nostalgia not personified

[00:24:46] so the right word,

[00:24:47] but how much of Disneyland's nostalgia

[00:24:50] inherently is because of Walt Disney?

[00:24:53] Well I think that what...

[00:24:56] So nostalgia is a part of what makes it so interesting

[00:25:01] and so impactful is it doesn't need to be true or accurate.

[00:25:04] It just needs to feel as though I just drew an accurate

[00:25:07] and I think Walt Disney's original Main Street

[00:25:12] is really that way he was trying to say,

[00:25:16] okay well this is an every town.

[00:25:19] This is filtered through my memory

[00:25:22] through that guy's memory,

[00:25:23] this person's memory

[00:25:24] and we're gonna make it feel as though

[00:25:26] it is actually a place where you have been

[00:25:30] when in 2010,

[00:25:31] his place has never existed.

[00:25:33] Right.

[00:25:35] Yep, very good.

[00:25:37] So your opening statement is essentially saying

[00:25:39] that Main Street nostalgia at Disneyland

[00:25:42] is better than Main Street nostalgia at Disney World?

[00:25:45] I don't know but I think more than anything

[00:25:47] I'm just laying a little thematic groundwork.

[00:25:49] That's about it.

[00:25:51] Eric do you have any thematic groundwork to lay?

[00:25:54] Well, I mean the...

[00:25:57] I guess the idea I was originally going to go with

[00:26:01] was that yeah, of course we're gonna do it again at Walt Disney

[00:26:07] World at the Magic Kingdom.

[00:26:09] Of course we're gonna do Christmas things

[00:26:11] because they are so well received

[00:26:15] at Disneyland and there's so much nostalgia.

[00:26:19] But yeah,

[00:26:22] it dance through me for a loop here because...

[00:26:26] Yeah, if we're gonna talk about nostalgia

[00:26:29] we basically did try to do it again

[00:26:34] on the East Coast.

[00:26:36] But I think effectively it does the same thing, right?

[00:26:40] It's any town USA gas lamps transition

[00:26:43] to electric lamps as you proceed.

[00:26:46] That's true for both.

[00:26:48] So what I guess what I'll do since there's no

[00:26:50] specific format, there's no cues, et cetera.

[00:26:52] Let me just ask questions,

[00:26:54] presuming you have some level of response or research around it.

[00:26:58] So one of the things you guys both...

[00:27:00] Before you do I also wanna tie in that idea

[00:27:03] that nostalgia idea also applies to Christmas in general.

[00:27:08] Of course.

[00:27:09] Absolutely.

[00:27:10] And I think that goes to

[00:27:13] kind of something that we talked about

[00:27:15] in the scraping of all the episode

[00:27:17] that I hope to get finished this week.

[00:27:20] Where it's like if you have experienced

[00:27:24] some sort of a damage in that nostalgia cycle

[00:27:26] it becomes difficult to reconcile

[00:27:31] the real feeling with the shared nostalgic feeling

[00:27:35] that is happening around you,

[00:27:37] that you are trying,

[00:27:38] that you want to be a part of

[00:27:40] but you maybe are detached from.

[00:27:42] Yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of people

[00:27:43] that come to these places wanting to...

[00:27:48] If they don't have their own Christmas feelings

[00:27:55] they want to create them because that's the idea.

[00:28:01] Right.

[00:28:02] It's come in and see this is the ideal.

[00:28:05] Yeah, and this is what Christmas is.

[00:28:08] And just helps...

[00:28:09] But to wonder how much personal reflection that statement is.

[00:28:15] 100%.

[00:28:17] If I'm not saying you correctly

[00:28:19] you don't have that nostalgia for that Christmas stereotype.

[00:28:22] No.

[00:28:23] And you want to fit into that

[00:28:25] and you want to find where that box fits with you

[00:28:29] and you're kind of outside of it still?

[00:28:32] Okay, so I may as well just tell the whole thing.

[00:28:37] I have...

[00:28:40] Dude, it's just whatever family stuff

[00:28:43] they were fine now but like there was...

[00:28:45] There have been years that have been difficult.

[00:28:47] I've kind of talked about before.

[00:28:48] I don't want to hammer too much on it.

[00:28:50] Just the case listers like,

[00:28:51] oh this again,

[00:28:52] I don't like this Christmas tradition

[00:28:55] but there were years that I was very abrasive towards Christmas

[00:29:01] for reasons that I think are justified in my own head

[00:29:04] and I think are understandable

[00:29:06] if I were to explain them further.

[00:29:09] And there were a couple of years where I was...

[00:29:13] I was working customer service

[00:29:16] and put in malls

[00:29:19] where people were being demanding and awful

[00:29:21] because it was Christmas

[00:29:23] and they wanted their Christmas to be magical

[00:29:25] and I didn't have access to that.

[00:29:27] And there was very upsetting as this Christmas music

[00:29:30] was playing in the halls of the mall

[00:29:32] and anytime I would be faced with that

[00:29:36] that like invitation by our greater culture

[00:29:40] to be like, hey look how great it is.

[00:29:43] My initial response would be like...

[00:29:47] go supreme yourself

[00:29:50] and I think that there's again

[00:29:52] we can get to an understandable place there

[00:29:54] but in recent years

[00:29:56] I have come around to this idea that

[00:29:59] Disney specifically Disneyland

[00:30:02] just because it's the one I'm closer to

[00:30:04] and the one that I go to

[00:30:06] really really hits that perfect Christmas thing

[00:30:10] really well

[00:30:12] and it hits all of the notes

[00:30:14] of what it is that

[00:30:16] fits into the normal

[00:30:19] cultural norms of Christmas and nostalgia

[00:30:22] and in recent years

[00:30:24] I have allowed myself to...

[00:30:27] I will go there

[00:30:29] that's my Christmas

[00:30:31] I will take it in

[00:30:33] I will feel all the things

[00:30:35] and then do not talk to me about it

[00:30:37] because I don't...

[00:30:39] there's too much nuance

[00:30:41] as is evidence

[00:30:43] by the fact that you're going to be at Disneyland

[00:30:45] December 19, 2021

[00:30:47] I got a cancel of 21

[00:30:49] wait no 18th I don't know

[00:30:51] I don't remember I just looked at it

[00:30:53] I'm there on the 21st

[00:30:55] I like that for you

[00:30:57] so you're not going to be there together

[00:30:59] no we don't like each other

[00:31:01] we were going to

[00:31:03] let me tell the story

[00:31:09] so I work for a travel agency

[00:31:11] and I'm glad you mentioned that

[00:31:13] did we already tell the story

[00:31:17] no but if I was just going to say

[00:31:19] if you don't mention that part

[00:31:21] I definitely was going to

[00:31:23] okay well I'm the voice of a travel agency

[00:31:27] I don't book trips for people

[00:31:31] generally

[00:31:33] but yeah in this particular case

[00:31:35] I was supposed to go with Dan

[00:31:39] starting

[00:31:41] but today

[00:31:43] oh the 16th is when I was going to fly...

[00:31:45] yeah

[00:31:47] we're recording on December 16th

[00:31:49] I was supposed to fly out

[00:31:51] and spend a few days

[00:31:53] at the parks

[00:31:55] to not spare you farm for the first time

[00:31:57] but

[00:31:59] I

[00:32:03] in my hubris wanted to go

[00:32:05] and stay at the new

[00:32:07] suites at the Disneyland hotel

[00:32:09] using

[00:32:11] DVC points

[00:32:13] and I already sold

[00:32:15] the remainder of my points

[00:32:17] for the year

[00:32:19] and thought well I'll go

[00:32:21] to one of those reseller places

[00:32:23] where I sold off the last few points

[00:32:25] around I had

[00:32:27] ironically

[00:32:29] yes

[00:32:31] this particular site

[00:32:33] when

[00:32:35] when I put in the dates that I was supposed to go

[00:32:37] they returned

[00:32:39] here's how much it would cost

[00:32:41] and I thought wow that's great

[00:32:43] and I was at work

[00:32:45] when I did that so I didn't want to

[00:32:47] really

[00:32:49] investigate it much further

[00:32:51] this is called wage staff

[00:32:53] Eric

[00:32:55] yes

[00:32:57] I was on a break

[00:32:59] and

[00:33:01] I came home that night

[00:33:03] put in those dates

[00:33:05] and it said

[00:33:07] hey it's even cheaper now

[00:33:09] and I went wow that's great

[00:33:11] apparently

[00:33:13] this particular site

[00:33:15] when the dates

[00:33:17] you want

[00:33:19] to say but how about these dates

[00:33:21] oh

[00:33:23] and I was not paying close attention

[00:33:25] no

[00:33:27] and so I booked myself

[00:33:29] for the three days before

[00:33:31] Christmas Eve

[00:33:33] and they're cheaper

[00:33:35] they were cheaper

[00:33:37] I was shocked

[00:33:39] but yeah it was cheaper

[00:33:41] to go these dates

[00:33:43] and actually the flights were cheaper too

[00:33:45] I'm flying home on Christmas Eve

[00:33:47] the whole trip is cheaper

[00:33:49] than it would have been if I had gone

[00:33:51] this in the current weekend

[00:33:53] well and I think

[00:33:55] I really

[00:33:57] you're on a lot of podcasts

[00:33:59] and I know our listeners listen to you

[00:34:01] probably on ears up

[00:34:03] and I know that people really like

[00:34:05] they like you

[00:34:07] you're a likable person

[00:34:09] and you've got a good audience

[00:34:11] so I really don't want to do this to you

[00:34:13] but I think it's important

[00:34:15] you're attention

[00:34:17] please

[00:34:25] this man

[00:34:27] oh sorry this monster

[00:34:29] oh no

[00:34:31] sent his wife

[00:34:33] to Walt Disney World

[00:34:35] she was in tears

[00:34:37] he made her get on the plane

[00:34:39] he bought a ticket just so he could go through security

[00:34:43] to make sure she got on the plane

[00:34:45] I carried her

[00:34:47] through security

[00:34:49] I put her through

[00:34:51] through the metal detector

[00:34:53] like she went through the scanner

[00:34:55] oh the metal

[00:34:57] she was baggage

[00:34:59] yeah that's the real Eric

[00:35:01] forced his wife to spend a week

[00:35:03] at Disney World where it was 80 degrees

[00:35:05] and he was in

[00:35:07] he couldn't get out of the driveway

[00:35:09] because the snow was so deep

[00:35:11] yeah just want to let you guys know

[00:35:13] who he really is

[00:35:15] I'm sorry

[00:35:17] America and Belgium

[00:35:19] we have a lot of Belgian

[00:35:21] listeners

[00:35:23] we need to get on the boots of show

[00:35:25] Dan let's talk about

[00:35:27] Main Street vehicles

[00:35:29] you guys mentioned

[00:35:31] I didn't understand it

[00:35:33] we talked about Christmas on Main Street

[00:35:35] and you kept saying

[00:35:37] and Main Street vehicles

[00:35:39] so what we ended up talking about

[00:35:41] was Main Street

[00:35:43] and we're like is that enough for a show

[00:35:45] and then one of us was like

[00:35:47] let's do Christmas on Main Street too

[00:35:49] because that's kind of the related

[00:35:51] that's what happened

[00:35:53] so we're going to start with the

[00:35:55] Main Street vehicles at both

[00:35:57] unrelated to Christmas

[00:35:59] yes I'm not prepared to talk about

[00:36:01] vehicles

[00:36:03] oh I thought we left that in the

[00:36:05] dust maybe that's because

[00:36:07] I think maybe it's because

[00:36:09] you knew that you wouldn't be able to win this argument

[00:36:11] anyway

[00:36:13] so

[00:36:15] because Walt Disney World's

[00:36:17] vehicles

[00:36:19] are

[00:36:21] pony generally not operating

[00:36:23] really running very often

[00:36:25] yeah

[00:36:27] we just said

[00:36:29] that's why it wins

[00:36:31] let's go

[00:36:33] we didn't talk about the sounds

[00:36:35] if I like quid

[00:36:37] I try that again

[00:36:39] I spoke over it

[00:36:41] do the normal thing

[00:36:43] if dance is something I think is

[00:36:45] relevant and cool

[00:36:47] you're going to hear this sound

[00:36:49] maybe tried staples

[00:36:51] of course it's grudged

[00:36:53] if Eric says something

[00:36:55] that all the things that I said before

[00:36:57] you're going to hear this sound

[00:36:59] and please explain

[00:37:01] I hope your kids are just listening

[00:37:03] it's just

[00:37:05] it's just a weird dumb

[00:37:07] stuff

[00:37:09] cranks you up

[00:37:11] okay

[00:37:13] Dan tell us about the history of

[00:37:15] mainstream vehicles

[00:37:17] so

[00:37:19] does that mean street is intended to be

[00:37:21] a snapshot of a crossroad

[00:37:23] moment in time

[00:37:25] the specific time for him

[00:37:27] takes place

[00:37:29] according to Walt Disney

[00:37:31] it was from 1890 to 1910

[00:37:35] and so that's when we're going from gas

[00:37:37] to electricity

[00:37:39] and not in that dumb

[00:37:41] nerdy way that Disney World does

[00:37:43] where it's like

[00:37:45] here's gas over here

[00:37:47] and then now we're going to walk towards electricity

[00:37:49] that's delightful

[00:37:51] I might have gotten a point for it

[00:37:53] I can't remember that

[00:37:55] episode was three years ago

[00:37:57] yeah

[00:37:59] a community in the progress of

[00:38:03] switching around so you have some gas, some electricity

[00:38:07] it's kind of like

[00:38:09] all there at the same time

[00:38:11] so like

[00:38:13] for example when the town

[00:38:15] in this mythology

[00:38:17] when the town gets their first

[00:38:19] horseless carriage

[00:38:21] there would still be the horse-drawn trolley

[00:38:23] because you have an entirely switched over

[00:38:25] right

[00:38:27] so let's see what do I have in my notes

[00:38:29] Walt Disney World's tendency toward

[00:38:31] over-imagined near nonsense

[00:38:33] goes more in the direction of

[00:38:35] mainstream as a museum

[00:38:37] and loses any sense of distinct

[00:38:39] vagueness in this process

[00:38:41] wow, a sick bird

[00:38:43] it says and not does

[00:38:45] that's and I think

[00:38:47] Disneyland does it

[00:38:49] because this island is also intended to

[00:38:51] represent a small town

[00:38:53] which is growing

[00:38:55] and that's kind of also reflected in the history

[00:38:59] of the park itself

[00:39:01] because this was a park that was like

[00:39:03] the first fits kind so

[00:39:05] we see a lot of this like

[00:39:07] hodgepodge

[00:39:09] well what if we take this thing

[00:39:11] that you see in normal life

[00:39:13] and turn it upside down and

[00:39:15] saw it in half and then attach

[00:39:17] another thing to it

[00:39:19] then all of a sudden

[00:39:21] it's this other new thing

[00:39:23] we see the horse-drawn street car

[00:39:25] there are two of them

[00:39:27] very rarely are two

[00:39:29] running because that can be a bit

[00:39:31] of a nightmare

[00:39:33] there are little ads inside

[00:39:35] of it if you're

[00:39:37] writing it

[00:39:39] for like air adjacent

[00:39:41] interactions like the Golden Horseshoe

[00:39:43] which provides like a

[00:39:45] through statement of

[00:39:47] this is a moment in time

[00:39:49] right

[00:39:51] there are engines

[00:39:53] one that you can currently ride

[00:39:55] one that you used to be able

[00:39:57] to drive or ride which was

[00:39:59] horse-drawn

[00:40:01] and fun story

[00:40:03] Bob Gerr drove

[00:40:05] the motorized one from the studios

[00:40:07] and caused a traffic jam

[00:40:09] and someone joking

[00:40:11] that the fire would be out by the time he got there

[00:40:13] looks like

[00:40:15] I didn't really provide

[00:40:17] a transition from my thoughts

[00:40:19] about the history

[00:40:21] of this place

[00:40:23] as a place to

[00:40:25] the vehicles so let's just keep going

[00:40:27] there used to be a horse-drawn

[00:40:29] a story and that doesn't exist

[00:40:31] anymore

[00:40:33] was there a friend jump top

[00:40:35] there were several friend's on top

[00:40:37] there is also a

[00:40:39] horseless carriage

[00:40:41] which is lovingly

[00:40:43] referred to as a

[00:40:45] vehicle

[00:40:47] this is currently

[00:40:49] an operation

[00:40:51] it's back end

[00:40:53] aka Giat is a Jeep

[00:40:55] front is a Ford model A

[00:40:57] it has brakes

[00:40:59] of a 1952 mercury

[00:41:01] the steering system is a

[00:41:03] 1950 Chrysler Imperial

[00:41:05] fellow gear heads

[00:41:07] I'm sure you all like me

[00:41:09] have a great appreciation

[00:41:11] for what all this means

[00:41:13] as we all know

[00:41:15] a gear heads that would

[00:41:17] have been chosen

[00:41:19] for the sound and vibration

[00:41:21] as well as it's very well-known

[00:41:23] durability

[00:41:25] that machine travels

[00:41:27] at four miles per hour on the regular

[00:41:29] its top speed

[00:41:31] is seven miles per hour

[00:41:33] oh seven

[00:41:35] I remember a couple of

[00:41:37] trips ago I tried talking

[00:41:39] to one of the

[00:41:41] cars that I was

[00:41:43] like so I know

[00:41:45] this you said four miles

[00:41:47] an hour what is the actual

[00:41:49] top speed of this thing

[00:41:51] they're like seven miles an

[00:41:53] hour okay is that

[00:41:55] a hard limit

[00:41:57] because you know

[00:41:59] the to be a car as they have

[00:42:01] governors on them which will stop

[00:42:03] them from going faster

[00:42:05] and the person who explain it

[00:42:07] to me basically said

[00:42:09] that the car is as fast as

[00:42:11] it can go

[00:42:13] the omnibus

[00:42:15] it was

[00:42:17] the latest addition to the line

[00:42:19] up in 1956 there are two

[00:42:21] it was inspired by a model

[00:42:23] by dinky toys

[00:42:25] in England

[00:42:27] that model was of an omnibus

[00:42:29] Bob Gerr was sent

[00:42:31] to travel town and Griffith Park

[00:42:33] to study omnibus

[00:42:35] that they had there

[00:42:37] and it's interesting because

[00:42:39] Gerr's dad and uncle both

[00:42:41] worked on an omnibus

[00:42:43] for LA Transit Line

[00:42:45] you back when there was

[00:42:47] an LA Transit Line for more

[00:42:49] on that watch the documentary

[00:42:51] who framed to watch

[00:42:53] you have it

[00:42:55] it had to fit the force perspective

[00:42:57] which is very interesting

[00:42:59] because you have this

[00:43:01] vehicle that is

[00:43:03] larger because it's two stories

[00:43:05] a town that's built in

[00:43:07] force perspective so

[00:43:09] you got to be really careful not to break it

[00:43:11] and they were very careful not to break it

[00:43:13] for the chassis all you

[00:43:15] Gerr heads out there i'm sure you know

[00:43:17] that they use an international

[00:43:19] harvester i really

[00:43:21] that just confirmed my suspicion

[00:43:23] when i read that

[00:43:25] because as again we all know

[00:43:27] that is a vehicle used

[00:43:29] for beer trucks or it was

[00:43:31] and that again

[00:43:33] it's a vehicle that allows

[00:43:35] for a more

[00:43:37] a lower inside center

[00:43:39] so then you can

[00:43:41] bring the whole scale of the thing down

[00:43:43] the motor is here more about what

[00:43:45] Eric's dogs feel about this

[00:43:47] oh i'm trying to mute them

[00:43:49] they're also

[00:43:51] your heads i think

[00:43:53] that's i clearly

[00:43:55] the motor is six-cylinder inline motor

[00:43:57] and as again as you all know

[00:43:59] inline means

[00:44:01] that aside by side

[00:44:03] i have always known this i didn't need to

[00:44:05] look that up for this specific show

[00:44:07] and if i had

[00:44:09] looked it up for this specific episode

[00:44:11] i probably would have felt really stupid

[00:44:13] that i realized that it was just

[00:44:15] what the thing said

[00:44:17] but luckily i didn't have to lift it through that

[00:44:19] it has a three-speed transmission

[00:44:21] and it used to go to the Mickey Mouse

[00:44:23] club Mickey Mouse Circus

[00:44:25] in fantasy land

[00:44:27] but they decided that

[00:44:29] the path was too narrow

[00:44:31] and it didn't

[00:44:33] with the uh... theming

[00:44:35] of fantasy land

[00:44:37] is that by between the castle and the matterhorn

[00:44:39] yeah

[00:44:41] because they couldn't build a hot air balloon

[00:44:43] as you know

[00:44:45] everybody likes to build this hot air balloon

[00:44:47] around the park

[00:44:49] so

[00:44:51] this frankensteining of contemporary pieces

[00:44:53] to create something that feels accurate

[00:44:55] because it digs

[00:44:57] in an uncanny valley of time and machinery

[00:44:59] that sounds so intelligent

[00:45:01] i think what i was trying to say is that

[00:45:03] there's a mechanical nostalgia there

[00:45:05] which goes back to the opening statement

[00:45:07] because these vehicles

[00:45:09] aren't actually

[00:45:11] replicas of the time

[00:45:13] but they seem old

[00:45:15] because they are thrown together

[00:45:17] in a way

[00:45:19] that

[00:45:21] these machines

[00:45:23] kind of

[00:45:25] were thrown together when they were invented

[00:45:27] and it reflects the specific

[00:45:29] vagueness of the setting

[00:45:31] when i did these notes

[00:45:33] i was very proud of myself

[00:45:35] for that specific

[00:45:37] as you should be

[00:45:39] yeah

[00:45:41] so this idea

[00:45:43] of disneyland

[00:45:45] uh... as a snapshot in the moment

[00:45:47] and

[00:45:49] having

[00:45:51] the shared

[00:45:53] opening statement

[00:45:55] gives us all

[00:45:57] as visitors to the park

[00:45:59] kind of

[00:46:01] without even knowing

[00:46:03] it a sense of

[00:46:05] community because there's

[00:46:07] like this shared experience

[00:46:09] we all kind of

[00:46:11] started in this same

[00:46:13] hometown

[00:46:15] and i feel like that was

[00:46:17] part of it

[00:46:19] in some ways

[00:46:21] if you piece

[00:46:23] enough of the pieces together

[00:46:25] it's like well yeah that's

[00:46:27] kind of why you do that

[00:46:29] and the whole idea

[00:46:31] of the choose your own adventure

[00:46:33] thing that will setup

[00:46:35] intentionally or inadvertently

[00:46:37] everyone has the same opening statement

[00:46:39] open credits

[00:46:41] so you have this shared experience

[00:46:43] moving into an expanse where you can create

[00:46:45] your own story from that point on

[00:46:47] and you could always return to it

[00:46:49] yeah

[00:46:51] but by and by design

[00:46:53] it gives you that shared piece of

[00:46:55] this is our starting point

[00:46:57] this is all our ending point

[00:46:59] and i mean if you want to pile

[00:47:01] all the pieces

[00:47:03] all the points into one giant thing

[00:47:05] i think that this is

[00:47:07] i don't like to use the wall

[00:47:09] touch the argument

[00:47:11] but

[00:47:13] boy how did you do to touch this

[00:47:15] for whatever

[00:47:17] you want to

[00:47:19] get

[00:47:21] Eric's if you have any

[00:47:23] perspective on mainstream vehicles

[00:47:25] i think my take away

[00:47:27] from the non-Christmas portion of this

[00:47:29] is very well researched

[00:47:31] and articulated Dan

[00:47:33] i think that's great i know

[00:47:35] what a gear head you are

[00:47:37] so i appreciate you being

[00:47:39] so for us layman

[00:47:41] being so descriptive

[00:47:43] i'm happy to dumb down my

[00:47:45] experience

[00:47:47] and i appreciate that

[00:47:49] it's a synch nature in which you

[00:47:51] articulated your

[00:47:53] expansive knowledge of cars

[00:47:55] and vehicles i appreciate it

[00:47:57] and you're right Eric

[00:47:59] you know i think about

[00:48:01] disney land and it's like

[00:48:03] the first thing i think of this

[00:48:05] mainstream vehicles

[00:48:07] and we go on and we went on

[00:48:09] last time we were there

[00:48:11] you were there

[00:48:13] and i think that's a good

[00:48:15] thing to do

[00:48:17] is to make sure that

[00:48:19] i have shared with other people

[00:48:21] that they find delightful

[00:48:23] which is that

[00:48:25] if you are walking up

[00:48:27] or down main street

[00:48:29] and a vehicle is there

[00:48:31] ready for you to use

[00:48:33] you're taking that vehicle

[00:48:35] yeah it's a good rule

[00:48:37] yeah um oh

[00:48:39] maybe the main street vehicles

[00:48:41] is the same

[00:48:43] you know

[00:48:45] it's almost the same

[00:48:47] thing i mean

[00:48:49] not necessarily designed by

[00:48:51] you know put together by Bob

[00:48:53] Gerr

[00:48:55] i suppose maybe

[00:48:57] yeah Bob

[00:48:59] would have been hard for them

[00:49:01] to get rid of him

[00:49:03] but he wanted to

[00:49:05] yeah it's a similar

[00:49:07] setup

[00:49:09] uh the Omnibus

[00:49:11] for

[00:49:13] horse pulled trolleys

[00:49:17] again not all operating

[00:49:19] at the same time

[00:49:21] uh three horseless carriages

[00:49:23] and uh two jinnies

[00:49:25] uh

[00:49:27] so it's the same thing

[00:49:29] they just they wanted to do

[00:49:31] what they did at disney land

[00:49:33] and they made a few more

[00:49:35] but yeah i would imagine

[00:49:37] they operate less

[00:49:39] yeah i think it's disney land

[00:49:41] for the point uh let's give it

[00:49:43] to disney land because you can actually

[00:49:45] experience this more often

[00:49:47] well let's make this more thorough

[00:49:49] because i have some notes on that

[00:49:51] uh so

[00:49:53] first of all

[00:49:55] the drive just to

[00:49:57] add to some ponage

[00:49:59] drivers are knowledgeable super fans

[00:50:01] who have director and direct

[00:50:03] connections to Bob Gerr

[00:50:05] yeah we've all talked to Steve

[00:50:07] when he he's been

[00:50:09] driving a stomach

[00:50:11] well it kind of

[00:50:13] in thinking about in thinking about this

[00:50:15] i was reminded of when i worked as a projectionist

[00:50:17] at a movie theater

[00:50:19] like people who have had certain kinds of

[00:50:21] jobs sometimes become

[00:50:23] like

[00:50:25] very passionate especially if it's

[00:50:27] if it's like a dying breed kind of thing

[00:50:29] they become very very

[00:50:31] passionate about

[00:50:33] and all everything about the thing

[00:50:35] and they love passing on that knowledge

[00:50:37] whether you want to hear it or not

[00:50:39] um so

[00:50:41] it kind of reminded me of that when i was reading about the

[00:50:43] it's like it was wall-favorite stuff

[00:50:45] so a lot of the

[00:50:47] old heads feel

[00:50:49] a really deep need to be like no you don't understand

[00:50:51] he's sat here

[00:50:53] you know

[00:50:55] the drivers don't like

[00:50:57] force it on you but it's

[00:50:59] oh boy is it there if you want to engage

[00:51:01] with it

[00:51:03] but one thing that

[00:51:05] ties more directly what we were saying is

[00:51:07] they recently started running the vehicles

[00:51:09] all times of day

[00:51:11] basically like whenever they can

[00:51:13] they do and this started around spring of 2023

[00:51:17] um and i remember when it started

[00:51:19] i was i would talk to them and be like

[00:51:21] whoa what happened

[00:51:23] if you like this

[00:51:25] tell them

[00:51:27] tell the comment on the app

[00:51:29] they're experimenting with and they're really

[00:51:31] thinking that like

[00:51:33] the vehicles we may as well run them whenever

[00:51:35] we can

[00:51:37] so that means that they stop running it for

[00:51:39] parades, for fireworks, ban shows, other events

[00:51:41] um

[00:51:43] and i suspect having the most hardened veterans

[00:51:45] to take on crowd control during those times

[00:51:47] it's kind of like a win-win

[00:51:49] um

[00:51:51] and also during those times

[00:51:53] the vehicles are available for photo ops

[00:51:55] because sometimes they're just sitting there

[00:51:57] and the uh horse-drawn carriage is also used from time to time

[00:52:01] for the dapper dance

[00:52:03] no relation

[00:52:05] to perform in the middle of main street

[00:52:07] and to

[00:52:09] kind of just like do whatever they want with it

[00:52:11] so

[00:52:13] they're running

[00:52:15] and they're kind of

[00:52:17] they have done a very aggressive push

[00:52:19] to

[00:52:21] make them run more often

[00:52:23] and writing them at night is really fun

[00:52:25] because it's dark

[00:52:27] of course because it's dark

[00:52:29] yeah i have not

[00:52:31] i have not done any of these at night

[00:52:33] and uh yeah

[00:52:35] i can't imagine that Walt Disney World

[00:52:37] magic kingdom ever

[00:52:39] runs any of these at night

[00:52:41] no i would imagine

[00:52:43] all right we'll let us uh concede the point then

[00:52:45] um point Disneyland for main street vehicles

[00:52:47] have you tried staples?

[00:52:49] all right on to Christmas

[00:52:51] which is just a few days away

[00:52:53] uh

[00:52:55] yeah

[00:52:57] basically yeah

[00:52:59] Walt Disney World

[00:53:01] oh no i'm sorry i have all sorry

[00:53:03] i don't i don't want to get stuck here

[00:53:05] but i have a lot of information about the horses

[00:53:07] and let's move on

[00:53:09] if you want we can move on and come back

[00:53:11] or i do

[00:53:13] just a wee bit of talk about them

[00:53:15] and

[00:53:17] they're new stable in

[00:53:19] what is it uh narco

[00:53:21] yeah uh

[00:53:23] do you want me just try to quickly do this so we can be done?

[00:53:25] I'm tired through it

[00:53:27] okay so the reason i went into this is because

[00:53:31] when i went to Disneyland

[00:53:33] for the first time in a while with my sister a couple years ago

[00:53:37] i

[00:53:39] basically had to come

[00:53:41] provide

[00:53:43] i knew a little bit about how the horses are treated and how good they have it

[00:53:47] and my sister did not

[00:53:49] and she was horrified

[00:53:51] she's like no i'm not doing that

[00:53:53] and we talked to a cast member

[00:53:55] who basically talked her

[00:53:57] not only down

[00:53:59] but to a place where she was like okay i'm into this

[00:54:01] so first of all

[00:54:03] they love having their picture taken

[00:54:05] uh you can follow them

[00:54:07] the horses at

[00:54:09] uh their instagram handle is

[00:54:11] at horses of Disneyland

[00:54:13] um

[00:54:15] so yes that this is

[00:54:17] a functionally slavery

[00:54:19] and i'm not going to get into a species

[00:54:21] of stargum at but let's call it what it is

[00:54:23] no ethical consumption right

[00:54:25] so however

[00:54:27] that said this is about as ethical as you can get

[00:54:29] um so they used to be held

[00:54:31] at big thunder ranch before

[00:54:33] uh Kathleen Kennedy

[00:54:35] went in and kicked them all out

[00:54:37] um

[00:54:39] and they've been used

[00:54:41] moved to a place called circle d ranch

[00:54:43] there's a narco which ironically used to be Christmas tree farm

[00:54:45] and from horsenrider.com

[00:54:47] or dot or or whatever

[00:54:49] it's a horsenrider thing

[00:54:51] uh they train the horses to see noise as a just

[00:54:53] to see noise

[00:54:55] uh not as a distraction

[00:54:57] but as a reminder to relax

[00:54:59] which is pretty cool

[00:55:01] the horses work four hour shifts

[00:55:03] three to four days a week

[00:55:05] these are each draft horses

[00:55:07] and they each weigh around two thousand pounds

[00:55:09] so it's a draft horse

[00:55:11] uh draft horse

[00:55:13] it's like uh like Clyde stales

[00:55:15] which pull draft beer

[00:55:17] that's why they're called that

[00:55:19] um i also know a lot about horses

[00:55:21] uh so a draft horse can pull

[00:55:25] fifteen times their own weight

[00:55:27] and they have no more than

[00:55:29] thirty guess on these vehicles

[00:55:31] at a time which means

[00:55:33] they can pull 30 thousand pounds

[00:55:35] so unless the passengers are

[00:55:37] also horses

[00:55:39] it is basically effortless

[00:55:41] for them and i uh

[00:55:43] again i've talked to the

[00:55:45] customers about this i was like okay so how

[00:55:47] effortless are we talking here

[00:55:49] like is it like

[00:55:51] kind of hard and the way they explain it

[00:55:53] it's basically like if you were pulling a wagon

[00:55:55] filled with like

[00:55:57] a kid

[00:55:59] that's it that's all it is for them

[00:56:01] each horse has a private stable

[00:56:03] with private outdoor section

[00:56:05] they're cleaned three times a day

[00:56:07] some horses

[00:56:09] advance the flight control system

[00:56:11] uh two or three hours a day

[00:56:13] are spent playing and socializing

[00:56:15] with other horses

[00:56:17] they have regular checkups

[00:56:19] they have feeding devices which mimic eating in the field

[00:56:21] and by the way the horses love to work

[00:56:23] they're never forced

[00:56:25] never coaxed

[00:56:27] except for you know they obvious

[00:56:29] that's kind of

[00:56:31] they can't drive away

[00:56:33] um and when the horses retire

[00:56:35] they are adopted by caretakers

[00:56:37] who have a bond with them

[00:56:39] done

[00:56:41] I'm enjoying the instagram

[00:56:43] horses of Disneyland this is really fun

[00:56:45] yeah also by the way if you haven't already

[00:56:47] uh cats of Disneyland is also

[00:56:49] delight

[00:56:51] wonderful

[00:56:53] all right so christmas

[00:56:55] uh but uh or just

[00:56:57] just for the sake of it

[00:57:01] at Walt Disney World horses are also

[00:57:03] very well taken care of

[00:57:05] and uh yeah

[00:57:09] a very similar

[00:57:11] very similar sort of situation

[00:57:13] uh but yes there's the tri-circle d-ranch

[00:57:17] um over at

[00:57:19] uh

[00:57:21] not Fort Wilder

[00:57:23] yeah Fort Wilderness

[00:57:25] um yeah that's where the horses

[00:57:27] generally hang out

[00:57:29] um Disney really does take really good care of their horses

[00:57:33] yeah

[00:57:35] everything that Dan has said is basically the same at Walt Disney World

[00:57:37] but but yeah

[00:57:39] except for

[00:57:41] except they go by fan boat instead of by car

[00:57:43] well it isn't much shorter tripped in torrents

[00:57:47] yeah true

[00:57:49] uh but yeah put them on a boat

[00:57:51] yeah they could put them on the friendships

[00:57:53] that'll be so cute

[00:57:55] they could train them to drive with their teeth

[00:57:57] um

[00:57:59] put an apple on the thing where he's loving the goon

[00:58:01] you can actually uh ride

[00:58:03] these horses

[00:58:05] um try-circle d-ranch at Fort Wilder

[00:58:07] uh Dan

[00:58:13] if i had known we were going to go into a horse stuff

[00:58:15] i would have talked to my

[00:58:17] my wife a little bit more about this one

[00:58:19] she's

[00:58:21] she's a

[00:58:23] a big-

[00:58:25] you've imprisoned her at Walt Disney World

[00:58:27] i have to pick her up in a few hours

[00:58:29] uh she finally found her way out

[00:58:31] to a to an airport

[00:58:33] and you're gonna pick her up on horseback

[00:58:35] right? well i'm gonna pick her up on horseback

[00:58:37] my my wife is a big

[00:58:39] uh horse fan

[00:58:41] she does not uh not horror fan um

[00:58:45] hey

[00:58:47] we got there

[00:58:49] she

[00:58:51] she prefers to ride western instead of english

[00:58:55] there's a difference and um

[00:58:57] hey

[00:58:59] Lindsay uh

[00:59:01] Lindsay F

[00:59:03] from her daughter

[00:59:05] yeah but her daughter

[00:59:07] rides english and brandy

[00:59:09] uh preferster ride western

[00:59:11] so english you just have to have tea while you're writing?

[00:59:15] yes you have

[00:59:17] you have to have tea

[00:59:19] and you have to wear a very specific

[00:59:21] clothing same for western

[00:59:23] well western you're eating barbecue

[00:59:25] yeah you're eating

[00:59:27] and you have to talk about in and out constantly

[00:59:29] that's right in and out

[00:59:31] no

[00:59:33] okay can we talk about westerners

[00:59:35] listener this is not one of those

[00:59:37] ironic things where we pretend

[00:59:39] we're gonna talk about something we don't actually talk about

[00:59:41] i don't know what you're talking about

[00:59:43] let's get it

[00:59:45] oh wait wait wait wait wait wait

[00:59:49] we're talking about that in the room

[00:59:51] yeah

[00:59:53] let's talk about that in the room

[00:59:55] yeah

[00:59:57] yeah

[00:59:59] yeah

[01:00:01] yeah

[01:00:03] yeah

[01:00:05] yeah

[01:00:07] yeah

[01:00:09] yeah

[01:00:11] yeah

[01:00:13] yeah

[01:00:15] yeah

[01:00:17] yeah

[01:00:19] yeah

[01:00:21] in the Orlando Sentinel from

[01:00:24] December

[01:00:25] 1971

[01:00:27] it was written

[01:00:29] Walt Disney World's first christmas

[01:00:37] course that was giving smashing

[01:00:41] shit

[01:00:42] shit

[01:00:44] uh

[01:00:45] yeah

[01:00:48] they will be decked out literally for the Christmas, for the Christy Metzod that they

[01:00:55] would put it that way.

[01:00:56] With a giant tree and hundreds of wreaths of hemlock and holly, yeah, this first year

[01:01:06] they made a big deal out of it and well, they'd make a big deal out of it every year but

[01:01:10] they specifically pointed out that in this first year they would have 50,000 pansies, snap

[01:01:17] dragons and point set us.

[01:01:19] And a 50 foot Christmas tree, which is these days, 65 feet tall but trees do grow over

[01:01:26] the years Eric.

[01:01:27] Yeah, you're right.

[01:01:28] Yeah, they've let it grow a little bit more than 12, more than 1200 lights, 1,000 giant

[01:01:36] ornaments adorning the tree.

[01:01:40] Yeah, basically at Walt Disney World said we want to do this.

[01:01:45] We want to have a big Christmas thing and they did.

[01:01:50] You know, I'd be curious Eric, I don't know if you have it in your notes but putting up

[01:01:56] a tree, you know, fake whatever, Disney Land is one thing but putting it up, and smack

[01:02:02] them in the middle of hurricane season like what kind of reinforcements do they have

[01:02:06] to do to that tree?

[01:02:07] I don't have any notes about that.

[01:02:09] Yeah, that would be interesting.

[01:02:10] Maybe for a past show correction we can look into what sort of real.

[01:02:14] I know they're concrete in the tree.

[01:02:17] There are cables on both trees just for stability that are anchored to the buildings, I think.

[01:02:23] But yeah, I'd be really curious to see what kind of reinforcements they have to do

[01:02:28] for a temporary structure and that's in all the parks.

[01:02:30] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[01:02:32] That's what's so much fun at Walt Disney World is.

[01:02:36] The trees at each resort at each part.

[01:02:39] They're all very specific to each park.

[01:02:41] Yeah, I really like my favorite and I said this on the hub crawl that will come up soon.

[01:02:49] My favorite is the animal kingdom.

[01:02:51] Me too.

[01:02:52] Tree.

[01:02:53] I really like the way they do the tree there.

[01:02:56] Candlelight processional.

[01:02:58] Dan, do you want to talk about your first candlelight processional and how it continues

[01:03:05] to this day?

[01:03:07] My first candlelight processional, Michael York was the narrator.

[01:03:11] Michael, you are.

[01:03:12] This is the first one you went to not this year.

[01:03:14] This is the first one.

[01:03:15] Yeah.

[01:03:16] So yes.

[01:03:21] Okay, so first of all we also have Christmas crap on Main Street.

[01:03:26] Yeah, both parks have Christmas crap on Main Street and the castle is very, very sparkly

[01:03:32] and everybody likes.

[01:03:35] One nice thing about the Christmas tree at Disneyland is if you approach the park the

[01:03:41] correct way, it obscures the castle for long enough that you can keep the food in your

[01:03:47] stomach for an extra sometimes up to 10 minutes before you vomit.

[01:03:52] Before you vomit at the vomit with delight.

[01:03:57] So there are lights.

[01:03:59] One thing I noticed one major difference.

[01:04:02] Should we get into differences yet or am I doing candlelight processional?

[01:04:05] I think so Eric kind of mentioned the first Christmas.

[01:04:09] It was two weeks long.

[01:04:10] What was Disneyland's first Christmas?

[01:04:12] The first Christmas was really more...

[01:04:15] It kind of started with the beginning of the candlelight processional because in 1955 Charles

[01:04:21] Hurt, the choir director from USC was brought into train 12 Dickens carolers.

[01:04:32] By the way before I forget, listen if you want to listen to things about the Main Street

[01:04:37] loop, listen to a very brainy Christmas episode scraping the vault.

[01:04:42] Anyway, we were talking about nostalgia earlier and it was everything I could do to not

[01:04:47] say that I watched a very brainy Christmas last night and it's perfect.

[01:04:54] It's obviously.

[01:04:58] So things that he trained them were things like...

[01:05:00] Again, 1955, 1955 they never really have a theme park except for some parts of knots but

[01:05:08] this was kind of a new thing.

[01:05:09] So he was training, he had to train them like for example if the kid comes up to you while

[01:05:13] you're singing, sing to them.

[01:05:17] The stuff that probably feels like intuitive now based on our experiences but back then

[01:05:23] it was like what do I do?

[01:05:27] They had a holiday festival at the Main Street bandstand which was located kind of where the

[01:05:34] Fantasyland, the fair area is where a carnation garden used to be.

[01:05:41] That area where they used to swing dance in the night.

[01:05:43] Right, yeah, where they used to have swingers.

[01:05:47] And if you want to see actually the original structure, it is now at Rogers Gardens in

[01:05:53] Del Mar.

[01:05:54] I guess a hot dog from their hot dogs stand or something and the people that you bring

[01:06:00] with you will be like...

[01:06:02] So what happens next?

[01:06:04] What are we hearing about?

[01:06:06] So that was renamed to the Christmas Bowl and a 300-member choir which included visiting

[01:06:15] choirs, visiting school bands and whoever wanted to perform.

[01:06:22] They all performed at Main Street station in a sort of like rag tag.

[01:06:27] Let's do it here kind of thing where they just sung a bunch of Christmas carols.

[01:06:31] Now in 1956 they added Disneyland band to the mix and again it was just sort of this like

[01:06:37] a thing that happened so I was just like hey why don't we do this?

[01:06:40] Everyone's like yeah do it that's fun.

[01:06:44] In 1957 it starts to get a little bit more solidified.

[01:06:49] They had the Christmas around the world parade where people were dressed in and I'm doing

[01:06:54] air quotes here traditional garb and I'm sure all of the pictures are they all stand up

[01:07:01] to scrutiny now.

[01:07:03] And for this one they went from the Sleeping Beauty Castle to Town Square but there were

[01:07:10] kind of too many people to organize.

[01:07:13] It got really really big and there were too many performers to organize in a way that

[01:07:18] could be kind of seen or conducted reasonably so it ended up just being a bunch of people

[01:07:24] singing around the flagpole which from what I can tell sounded like delightful and fun

[01:07:29] but not how does need us things right.

[01:07:33] 1958 hurt proposed a more formal arrangement with candles and 16 choirs.

[01:07:40] For this they actually went opposite they started in the town square and went to the castle

[01:07:46] with the Dickens carolers on the castle balcony.

[01:07:50] 1960 is where we really get some good stuff.

[01:07:55] They moved it all to the train station, they did the processional from the castle area

[01:08:00] to train station or whatever they do now.

[01:08:03] I don't really know the layout of what they do.

[01:08:07] Yes I have see they added a narrator with Bible stuff and Bible stuff.

[01:08:15] I mean so we call it yeah it's the story of Christmas I don't know I don't have it

[01:08:20] it's been too long I don't know how overtly Jesus see they get but they get pretty Jesus

[01:08:27] I'm not saying that in a bad sense and I know for some people it's in this weird place

[01:08:31] where it's like for some people it is not overtly religious enough and then for others it's like

[01:08:37] this is very overtly religious but not in an uncomfortable way just sort of like a

[01:08:43] yeah I guess they're actually doing Christmas right now and that's cool.

[01:08:47] This also brought the living Christmas tree and that is a bunch of

[01:08:52] risers in the shape of a Christmas tree and that was brought by the Western High School

[01:08:58] Acapella choir it was actually theirs it was their idea and they continued to perform I mean

[01:09:06] different students of course because you know they graduate.

[01:09:09] They continued to perform until 1981 when the choir teacher retired and just for funsies I looked

[01:09:17] up the Western High School website to see like you know join our legendary choir there's no choir

[01:09:27] since when that person retired no more choir at that high school yeah and in 1982

[01:09:37] they kept the living Christmas tree I'm sure they like bought it from them or something

[01:09:42] but they replaced the high school kids with the Disney employee choir and it is not called

[01:09:51] the cast member choir because they are not in character they're volunteers they're not on stage

[01:09:57] they are actually representing themselves as employees of a company that it seems weird but

[01:10:04] to me if anytime I think it threw a little bit without having a comp with a like a rationale for

[01:10:10] in clear terms it kind of just makes sense and in 1971 it was brought to Walt Disney World just

[01:10:16] like Eric said so that's true I'll talk about that and throughout the 70s Disneyland band director

[01:10:24] Jim Christensen worked to bring consistency to both coasts so he would tune it so that it was

[01:10:31] kind of the same thing both places and it was overall a more polished experience very little has

[01:10:37] changed over the years they switched out a few songs if you're trying to play the game of

[01:10:45] are they making it more or less Jesusy it's kind of an even mix occasionally they'll

[01:10:51] they'll go they'll swap for one direction and then also at the same time make another swap in

[01:10:58] the other direction so whoever is doing it is very aware that there are godless heathens like

[01:11:06] me and then there are also you know the other people who you know again I'm not trying to say one

[01:11:12] is right or the other I'm just I'm just trying to point out that like a balance is

[01:11:18] seemingly willfully achieved but the balance is also still understandably and I think correctly

[01:11:26] more on the side of like yeah this is the story of Jesus like what do you want

[01:11:31] yeah this is so very clearly a Christmas thing yeah and it's interesting that Disneyland they only

[01:11:39] perform it four times yeah and two of the times are for VIPs and um and club 33 members like you can't

[01:11:47] just go yeah I've been have have either of you been at Disneyland when they're when they're doing

[01:11:55] the candlelight processional I will do you one better I was in the candlelight processional well

[01:12:01] down Michael graves was the Peter Peter graves sorry yeah Peter graves is the narrator we

[01:12:06] just like down the main street we were the living Christmas tree and it's largely stayed the same I

[01:12:12] I read that like carried grant that at 1958 yeah they had to like they they basically had to kick

[01:12:18] him out a couple times because he was just like I wanted to keep doing this but it's interesting

[01:12:23] that I didn't realize that that it's a kind of an exclusive thing I was I was going to say candlelight

[01:12:28] processional at Disneyland still a thing and is sort of one of those original Walt deals but it's

[01:12:33] like an exclusive thing whereas at Disney World anybody can see it like dozens of times oh yeah yeah

[01:12:40] and but at Disneyland it's on Main Street so which is what we're talking about only for the

[01:12:45] purposes of this show that's right I'm in at an advantage would that by saying it's kind of

[01:12:51] the snaky advantage I the feeling that I kind of got from it was that it's more about it being

[01:12:58] a tradition and more about it being almost for the performers than for anything

[01:13:05] and it just so happens that it takes place in a theme park where people can also

[01:13:10] where guests can be like oh I'm here the day they did this that's interesting um

[01:13:16] and I think that is I think I don't know that that's I think it's by design but I think it kind of has to

[01:13:21] be you know because of just the I mean they can't do this every day because that means they have to

[01:13:27] shut down logistics yeah yeah it's it's a yeah it's an interesting thing being there in the park on

[01:13:35] the day that they're they're gonna do it kind of like being there the day they're doing the the

[01:13:39] Christmas parade or the what do they call that the Christmas at Disney thing they record in like

[01:13:44] October mm-hmm yeah with Jillian Huff and it's not that you can't see it it's just it's very

[01:13:52] it's it's got to be kind of your project for the day if you want to see it you can kind of

[01:14:00] Dave from FreshBake said he he found this method of like they have these roots that they keep

[01:14:07] you walking around you know just like you know anytime the crowd control is keeping you from

[01:14:14] congesting a parade route that kind of direct you around the perimeter of Main Street yeah he said

[01:14:21] one method to see it while not like really seeing it but you kind of take it in is just keep going

[01:14:29] around just do the loop just do it yeah that's interesting um so Eric I'm sure you have something on

[01:14:38] candlelight processional it's not technically relevant to Christmas Mountain Main Street but

[01:14:42] did you want to interject something it's plenty relevant to Christmas on Main Street because it

[01:14:48] initially for many years the candlelight processional was held on Main Street at the Magic Kingdom so

[01:14:57] we're I mean sure this is history but still it was originally held on two nights in 1971

[01:15:05] December 18th and 19th 1200 carolers walked down Main Street to the castle they did a similar

[01:15:13] living Christmas tree uh rock Hudson narrated the Christmas story um he was apparently a disappointment

[01:15:21] because he refused to sign autographs to work that's why he got back to New York there you go

[01:15:30] cuz uh he's gonna of course of course he is but yeah at rock Hudson did this many years Kerry

[01:15:40] Grant did it in 1972 but rock came back many times over the years uh let's see Pat Boone uh Joe

[01:15:49] Campanella oh guys see where we're going with this Howard Keel Walter Cronkite the final year that they

[01:15:56] they did the candlelight processional at Walt Disney World in the Magic Kingdom uh was 1993 James

[01:16:04] Earl Jones was the narrator that was his first uh first time doing that there uh but yeah

[01:16:11] after that that's Michael York here over in California oh okay we got James Earl Jones 1990

[01:16:18] oh all right if we could just let's read lists let's go here by year here we go 1971 John Wayne

[01:16:27] rock Hudson was Chris Pratt I got rock Hudson 1972

[01:16:32] Kerry Grant Kerry Grant 73 to 74 rock Hudson Jimmy Stewart 1975 Dean Jones Rock Hudson 1976 Joseph

[01:16:44] Campanella buddy Ebson and Ed Azder 1977 rock Hudson Kerry Grant 1978 Ross Martin Elliott

[01:16:55] gold I don't know who Ross Martin is 1979 nobody knows 1979 Perry Como yeah we got oh here

[01:17:05] ago 1980 we got Mr. Touch by an angel himself Michael Landen nice back to rock Hudson oh I get

[01:17:12] I'm very fascinated by these these team up efforts right in uh let's see 1981 Ed Azder and Jason

[01:17:20] Robards James Hampton and Darren McGavin all right here's another here's another blockbuster 1982

[01:17:28] Pat and Shirley Boone what pat and Shirley Boone oh yeah same

[01:17:35] big awesome serious yeah oh yeah same year it's pat and his wife wow uh 1983 Darren McGavin

[01:17:45] Joseph Campanella I got we got Joseph Catten Campanella 1984

[01:17:51] rock Hudson oh Lord 1985 Kevin Dobson Howard Keel 1986 Craig T Nelson and

[01:18:03] oh yeah wow Elliott Gould Howard Keel again oh god uh we got Howard Keel 1987 he finally made it

[01:18:13] over here well uh he was replaced by Dean Jones in 1988 we got the return of Joseph Campanella

[01:18:21] Walter Cronk is Joseph Campanella I don't know who Joe Campanella 1989 John Forsyth

[01:18:30] uh 89 McLean Stevenson who is that oh from Ash okay uh let's see 1990 James Earl Jones

[01:18:41] Joseph Campanella oh Jesus

[01:18:47] uh 1981 Robert Eric George Kennedy I got a look out Joseph Campanella Joseph Campanella

[01:18:59] died in 2018 he appeared in more than 200 television of film roles from early 1950s 2009

[01:19:04] best remembered for his roles as the narrator on main streets I'm just joking

[01:19:11] Joe Toreno on guiding light guiding light oh yeah these are our lives he's a soap opera guy

[01:19:18] yeah oh those must hold on the beautiful uh let's see I got George Kennedy 1992

[01:19:25] Paul Azan oh and 1993 as you all know already Michael York James Earl Jones Peter Graves

[01:19:34] 1994 well yeah we're we're we're off main street at this point oh yeah one running the running

[01:19:46] less like that it's like to eat to the beat series now right okay now now it goes let's see

[01:19:52] okay give me give me your how about this uh David Ogton Steyers I've never known how to pronounce his name

[01:19:59] 1995 and you give me you give me either a better equivalent yes the most equivalent I like that

[01:20:08] the most equivalent David Ogton Steers whatever that means to you you mean for for this year or

[01:20:17] for that year for that year that year 95 oh 95 oh man I don't have because I didn't look it up

[01:20:25] because okay I'll finish up my list and then you can do whatever you want with your love

[01:20:29] okay this this part doesn't make sense I got I got DOS 1995 Mary Hart 1996 Joseph

[01:20:36] Campanella back again in 1997 Richard Crina and Edward James almost in 1998 the Olympian

[01:20:43] of the caucus 1999 oh 2000 was a big year with John Tess and Barry Boswick David Ogton Steyers

[01:20:51] is back again in 2001 and 2002 when he's reading as Jesus yeah

[01:21:01] making your any and Stephen Collins in 2002 uh 2003 we got Lewis Gosig Jr. Maria Osmond

[01:21:09] man 2004 Maria Osmond 2005 Dick Van Dyke I think it rained that year I'm not sure though uh

[01:21:16] 2006 we got Andy Garcia and Hector Alon Alon's a lot a lot oh wow my brain is breaking a lot

[01:21:25] a lot Alon Zondo oh my goodness that was just pure reading comprehension problems uh 2007

[01:21:32] James Seymour 2008 John Stamos 2009 John Voight 2010 Tom Scarrett Gary Seneason uh 2011

[01:21:43] and then we got Dennis Hayesbert and Kurt Russell and in set performances in 2012

[01:21:50] Edward James almost was also 2012 Lou Diamond Phillips was also 2012 they were hitting it hard in

[01:21:57] 2012 we got uh Lou Diamond Phillips Dick Van Dyke Dennis Hayesbert Patricia Heat and Molly Ringwald

[01:22:03] and John Stamos all in 2012 well 2013 we got Kurt Russell and Blair Underwood uh 2014

[01:22:12] Bob Bridges 2015 Gina Davis and Lana Peria uh 2016 Jennifer Godwin both with the G that's

[01:22:22] weird to see uh 2017 Chris Hemsworth Buny and Zootopia 2018 Chris Pratt 2019 Lin Manwell Miranda

[01:22:33] of course 2020 they oddly enough they got Joseph Caponella just wow this is just him

[01:22:44] because it was close that's the joke uh 2021 Sterling K Brown 2022 via the Davis and 2023

[01:22:53] what's your name Brelarson that's a heck of a list yeah Eric do you have a counter not

[01:23:01] that anybody's doing points for any of this this is just filling time by the way we need we do

[01:23:05] we don't need to fill time but I mean the candlelight processional is is that Epcot now and they do

[01:23:15] um quite a few nights what is it like 20 20 something nights yeah like I said it's like the

[01:23:23] Eat To The Beat series where every weekend or three days of one celebrity and tonight's

[01:23:28] yeah this this year we've got some I think this year we've got Brendan Fraser of evil

[01:23:35] Angoria Joey McIntyre Sterling Brown Jordan Fisher Stephen Curtis Chapman Audra McDonald and Lisa

[01:23:44] Ling I know the ghost of Joseph Campanella show Campanella's spirit oh my god

[01:23:53] is seriously just a Campanella yeah he did pass away in 2018 okay I checked this time

[01:23:59] okay okay so uh the candlelight processional Disneyland point okay

[01:24:06] I've tried staples all right what else you got guys come on uh Christopher Raids okay thank you so

[01:24:16] starting in 1983 the the the annual Christmas parade at at Disney parks was broadcasted live from

[01:24:29] Walt Disney World that first year was hosted by Joan London and Mike Douglas and for let's see

[01:24:40] so not Michael Douglas yeah I was gonna say Mike Douglas from the Mike Douglas show talk show not

[01:24:44] Michael Douglas star of stage and screen correct correct yes uh here's here's a list

[01:24:52] uh for for 20 years uh let's see no more than that they they continue to broadcast live from

[01:25:04] Walt Disney World they would cut over to Disneyland during this time period but during various times

[01:25:12] but most of the broadcast was at Walt Disney World so this is the thing that you see on Christmas

[01:25:19] morning we talked about briefly a little while ago it's you see it on Christmas day but it was

[01:25:24] recorded in October right okay yeah in in these in the olden times they were actually broadcast live

[01:25:34] okay uh from Walt Disney World oh yeah the Disneyland segment where it was just like John Tash

[01:25:40] you know being like hey I'm I'm on a rocket the popover and it's like yeah Dan as a child waving

[01:25:47] a little like pen and hi I'm here yes but most of it was childhood perfectly right

[01:25:55] 1984 uh Joan London and Bruce Jenner oh god uh oh Regis Philbin popped in for a little bit

[01:26:05] 1985 and 86 Joan London with Ben Verine 1987 to 1990 Joan London with Ellen Thick

[01:26:16] yes yep 1991 to 1995 uh Joan London finally teams up with Regis Philbin that was gonna say

[01:26:26] Regis yeah by the way you know how they say like what's your dream lineup for like a dinner party

[01:26:32] you are young and Regis Philbin up for dinner party yeah

[01:26:38] Too bad so many of these people are dead oh how dare you 1996 Suzanne Summers and Jerry Van Dyke

[01:26:48] 1997 Melissa Joan Hart and Ben Savage that's a weird commercial right 1998

[01:26:57] uh Carolyn Rhee and Richard Kind

[01:27:05] Finally Richard Kind was the voice of Bing Bong uh huh he was the voice of Bing Bong

[01:27:11] yeah sure was really oh oh oh yeah yeah yeah okay I'm excited out yeah um 2001 through 2009 Regis and Kelly

[01:27:23] hi in 2009 uh Regis had hip surgery so I had a surgeon on they performed a surgery live on camera

[01:27:33] so Kelly Kelly Riepa and Nick Cannon

[01:27:39] Eric Kelly Kelly Rich and Nick Cannon helped out did you get pregnant

[01:27:46] I don't know he's gonna get that's all I can on camera uh Ryan Seacrest was in California that year

[01:27:55] helping out 2010 Seac Ryan Seacrest and Nick Cannon

[01:28:01] We'll just keep going through uh can laughing

[01:28:05] Oh it's just this this this this very specific area of celebrity is my absolute favorite

[01:28:13] I love them so much

[01:28:16] Ah sorry

[01:28:18] Was Bill when does Bill Bixby show uh no bill Bixby oh okay Mario Lopez Maria Manuno

[01:28:25] So Nick Cannon hosted for the next few years uh Neil Patrick Harris of course

[01:28:30] Yeah joined in 2013

[01:28:33] Neil Patrick Harris is the Venn diagram between actual like respectable actor with a career and that type of celebrity

[01:28:41] and Disney yeah that's the respectable career in the Mario Lopez he's like the Venn diagram right

[01:28:49] Right right

[01:28:50] The last live broadcast was in 1996 this was still CBS up to this point

[01:28:57] Interest even after Disney bought ABC right yeah Disney had a contract right

[01:29:03] um

[01:29:04] And uh yeah after after that point when once uh Disney owned ABC

[01:29:11] They would air every year after that but they would tape it over a few days

[01:29:16] I've been to one of those tapings um I remember walking through uh

[01:29:23] Through the hub in the in the magic kingdom and seeing a bunch of the descendants actors on stage

[01:29:30] dancing and singing

[01:29:33] Over and over then uh and now it is enjoying the the

[01:29:38] It's Julian Huff now and her brother kind of do it

[01:29:43] I can't yeah

[01:29:45] Well, so I guess what I'd like to do is offer a point to Disney world because yeah

[01:29:52] I think in the zeitgeist of today

[01:29:54] When people watch Disney

[01:29:56] Christmas it tends to be sort of Disney World centric

[01:30:01] So I think from the outside world the non nerdy insider

[01:30:04] I think Disney World Main Street Christmas

[01:30:07] In this particular aspect gets a point

[01:30:11] Yeah, it's

[01:30:14] It's the flagship so I mean of course they're gonna they're gonna do that

[01:30:18] I will point out some differences though between Disney and Walt Disney World

[01:30:22] Specifically Main Street uh

[01:30:24] Disney and that's Christmas stuff first of all is centrally

[01:30:26] centrally located in Main Street

[01:30:29] Uh for the most part

[01:30:31] I understand it makes sense to stress it all out at Disney World that's fine

[01:30:35] Um the decor I found is actually

[01:30:40] Much more time appropriate to the time presented with the theme at Disneyland

[01:30:47] There's like actually there's like old Victorian crap

[01:30:50] um

[01:30:52] And if you look closely it's uh

[01:30:55] It is actually stuff that would be rep that it's like replicated

[01:31:00] stylized stuff from

[01:31:02] That turn of the century era

[01:31:04] Whereas at Disney World it's just kind of this generic decor

[01:31:07] Which is like Christmas and all caps but not specific to the time

[01:31:11] Again, it probably fits to the resort that it's in

[01:31:16] Because it's just sort of like hey here's Christmas here

[01:31:19] But at the at the end of the day

[01:31:21] It's just kind of like giant cartoon popcorn

[01:31:24] And most importantly, Disneyland's Christmas is not behind a paywall

[01:31:29] Um

[01:31:30] You can see the tree lighting ceremony without paying

[01:31:35] To see Mickey's Halloween Christmas treat spectacular

[01:31:40] They have a tree lighting ceremony

[01:31:44] Every

[01:31:45] Making

[01:31:47] Making every night every night. Thank you. Yes, that's the time of day

[01:31:51] That's the question that's when lights happen

[01:31:53] Oh okay

[01:31:55] Castle lighting ceremony which happens

[01:31:58] A couple times a night and it is weirdly

[01:32:03] Like a religious ceremony and I'm not saying that as a complaint. I kind of like it

[01:32:08] Uh, and if you wish hard enough and if the christmas miracles are working on your favor it will snow

[01:32:15] um

[01:32:16] There is a bad braid that hasn't been updated in the past 300 years that goes down to see parade christmas

[01:32:22] parade parade i enjoyed the parade i like it

[01:32:26] It hasn't been updated and forever and it's 45 minutes long

[01:32:29] Santa once fell off of it

[01:32:31] Couple years ago and by the way

[01:32:34] I really enjoy the Santa that they have sometimes who says i love you um

[01:32:42] And uh he also will sometimes sign and sing in other languages

[01:32:46] Uh, I

[01:32:48] Listener. I just want to

[01:32:51] Remind you that the theme song to this christmas parade is probably in your head right now. That's how old it is

[01:32:59] um

[01:33:00] And also the fantasy parade can be seen used to be

[01:33:03] I don't know if it's still it can be seen in the closing scenes of sorn over california

[01:33:08] Yeah, you we also have fireworks with projections and snowpe which is also not behind a paywall

[01:33:15] um i think in a lot of ways like the morning sometimes

[01:33:21] Yeah, I've been there in the morning where i'm like why why are they doing what

[01:33:26] Because you're third not trying to get you to pay an extra

[01:33:30] What 60 or so probably more than that $120 or so

[01:33:33] Want to see up between party

[01:33:37] Between 159 to $199

[01:33:41] Person this year also 25 nights this year

[01:33:45] Uh, it's just me and you're right have a christmas party

[01:33:51] Yeah, no, it's all just that you don't have one no, it's all just there. You can just interesting

[01:33:56] Any point for Disneyland on that one right there yeah, that sounds like a ripoff i mean

[01:34:02] We're for Disneyland

[01:34:04] Also, uh Eric i'm curious

[01:34:07] When they make their uh handmade uh candy canes every year what year do they do what day of the year they distribute them

[01:34:15] Trick question they don't uh

[01:34:21] Ha

[01:34:24] At Disneyland and the in the candy shop they make their own candy canes and it is an event you have to like basically get

[01:34:33] A virtual queue to get your candy. I have been in that virtual queue and i've gotten that candy came before

[01:34:39] I'm sure you like candy canes they're wonderful um

[01:34:44] Let's see how do you make a joke about that Dan?

[01:34:46] They do it a couple times a couple times a year, but it's only this this during the season. I'm so only like specific days um

[01:34:54] And yeah listener figuring to that look it up for next year because i'm sure it's all taken up at this point

[01:35:00] Um, let's see what else do we have i also have what's in my notes here in all honesty my magic kingdom is too big to feel cozy

[01:35:07] It's gotty it's Vegas. I don't know why i wouldn't say that um

[01:35:11] Let's see we also have so awesome is what you're trying to say uh okay

[01:35:15] Just my just my very subjective opinion

[01:35:19] I think that the

[01:35:21] Disney world as if you're going as a family to experience

[01:35:27] Christmas throughout the entire the entirety of the resort

[01:35:32] Great there's so much to do that's fantastic. You can you can just have so much Christmas in your life

[01:35:39] But if we're looking for that cozy like main street Christmas feel

[01:35:45] Having it smaller feels more like your home, I think there's an argument for that um

[01:35:53] Which we can make Dan disneyland at the candy palace December 3 5 10 12 17 19 and 24

[01:36:00] You're there next week you could get a handrolled

[01:36:04] Candy cane at california adventure. It's the fourth six 11 13 18 20 and 23 or 25 Christmas day

[01:36:11] You can get hand roll candy canes at the trolley

[01:36:14] And I would do it just to do it that i'm gonna be there

[01:36:18] Oh, there you go

[01:36:20] Uh yeah, I would do it just to do it but I don't really i'm not into candy cans you know let's go on. Yeah

[01:36:26] Yeah

[01:36:28] Let's see so uh Walt Disney World

[01:36:31] Between October 31st and November 1st

[01:36:36] So the one day the one day

[01:36:39] There is a massive transformation of the parks

[01:36:44] They completely remove all of the fall stuff

[01:36:49] That first night and start putting things up

[01:36:52] So this is an interesting article from the points guy which

[01:36:58] I was very surprised to see that there was

[01:37:01] Interesting content from from that site but that's the hat right the wizard hat

[01:37:07] No, okay. That's that's Dave

[01:37:11] Ah the the DVC davis DVC or whatever uh no this is the points guy it's a credit card site

[01:37:19] Like how to maximize your your points with your credit cards

[01:37:23] Uh

[01:37:24] But between so they invited him or

[01:37:27] Somebody from his team to do the air by the way

[01:37:32] You know, you know, there's maximum points around here

[01:37:35] Mm-hmm. Oh

[01:37:37] Oh wow

[01:37:38] Maximizing his points

[01:37:40] Maximizing these points right here

[01:37:41] Oh

[01:37:44] He's got more of them

[01:37:46] That's what that's what that means

[01:37:48] I'm that's I'm poning that's poning

[01:37:50] I think but you know what you know who gets to play the sound

[01:37:58] Oh

[01:38:01] Uh, that'll be stricken from the record. Yeah, it's not a point

[01:38:04] Uh, let's see so by

[01:38:07] 130 so the the park closed on October 31st at 1 a.m

[01:38:12] By 130 all of the garland all of the Halloween garland was off of Main Street

[01:38:19] Um, within that first hour

[01:38:21] Carts were rolled out with new decorations by

[01:38:25] 230 all of the fall plants were out

[01:38:28] And new plants were getting planted

[01:38:31] By 4 a.m

[01:38:33] Red and green plants were in place new lights and reefs were in place

[01:38:38] 6 a.m

[01:38:39] Nothing Halloween left on Main Street

[01:38:42] And at 7 a.m

[01:38:44] The Main Street was empty and it it was basically sweeping up time

[01:38:51] The second night

[01:38:53] They added in candles on Main Street and the 65 foot Christmas tree

[01:39:00] So two nights completely

[01:39:03] changed

[01:39:04] Main Street

[01:39:05] Uh, after the tomb that's

[01:39:08] The same at Disneyland is that reasonable actually at Disneyland they kind of slowly

[01:39:14] Do it they have some like icing on the castle. They kind of

[01:39:19] They do it like bit by bit because again they are they are not

[01:39:24] I think what it is. They're not under the time crunch of like okay

[01:39:27] Our first extremely overpriced Christmas party is on this day

[01:39:31] So we need to have it done by this day

[01:39:33] It's just sort of like

[01:39:35] And get it up around Thanksgiving you know which they certainly do they get it up well before Thanksgiving but

[01:39:42] Yeah, basically once Halloween's over they get rid of the more overt Halloween stuff

[01:39:48] You know like the pumpkins are gone that's day one

[01:39:51] And then

[01:39:53] But I mean they start putting like for example they start putting an ice on the castle

[01:39:58] Like late October, you know

[01:40:03] Interesting uh, well

[01:40:05] Go ahead just a few more facts. Sorry. I'm just just telling

[01:40:10] Words no, I like it

[01:40:12] On the east coast they have 60 people full time

[01:40:18] who are devoted to the Christmas prep

[01:40:22] And that's because the east coast is responsible for cruise ships

[01:40:28] The theme parks all of the hotels and Hilton head and Vera Beach hotels

[01:40:34] There's a warehouse with that is 175,000 square feet that is 45,000 pieces of decor

[01:40:44] And uh

[01:40:45] Yeah, it's it's all there so that

[01:40:48] Once Halloween is done

[01:40:51] They can flip everything within two days

[01:40:55] So I acknowledge Dan's point and there's a purpose for that doing that transition so fast because they have some monetize

[01:41:02] Right because there's a lot of Christmas parties

[01:41:04] But I will give it a point just for the sheer magnitude of what they have to do in such a short amount of time

[01:41:10] It's impressive

[01:41:14] Oh

[01:41:16] Songs ridiculous

[01:41:18] All right, so my hard out is legit

[01:41:20] So that's 23 minutes to to wrap it up close it down plug the other shows etc

[01:41:26] Do we do rapid fire?

[01:41:29] You rapid fire anything

[01:41:31] Where are we at with points do I how many more to Disney land? Okay

[01:41:35] So let me land back a couple more points Eric do you have any seasonal offerings on Main Street as far as like food goes that isn't

[01:41:41] Oh, by the way, I do have to give the candy canes a point

[01:41:44] There we go. Sorry tried staples

[01:41:46] Uh, there isn't exclusively paywalled

[01:41:50] uh

[01:41:51] There are do we really need to go into menus? I could pull up menus

[01:41:58] Go on talk about menus

[01:41:59] All right no we don't

[01:42:02] How about I'll talk about many you close up the show

[01:42:06] Let me talk about Joseph Campanella for a little while

[01:42:10] Well, I wasn't trying to rush you guys through the content. I what no let me rephrase

[01:42:14] I wanted to get more like you have you you've done the work you spent the time yeah

[01:42:20] Let's share it with the people okay

[01:42:22] What else do you want to do seasonal offerings? We got jalapeno cream cheese a avocado toast avocado toast making

[01:42:29] Several other shows on the network ears up

[01:42:33] Gingerbread at we also have a paper peppermint sundae

[01:42:38] chip and Dale holiday straw cup that might actually be from another place. I don't know

[01:42:42] So are you trying to say actually all of the offerings at Disneyland are not exclusive

[01:42:47] They're available to everyone whereas they're a little world anyone exclusive yes

[01:42:52] Anyone who is who has enough money to pay for the price of admission

[01:42:56] But not enough money to pay for the Christmas party that they don't have is welcome to enjoy these

[01:43:02] We also have and I I actually forgot to put

[01:43:06] The names of the places on these so it's somewhere on Main Street

[01:43:09] You can also get a peppermint sundae out of matching probably at the ice cream shop

[01:43:14] Uh, and then we got

[01:43:16] More seasonal offerings. We got a holiday stainless steel tumbler. This is probably the coffee house. I think

[01:43:22] We got you mean the Starbucks Starbucks. Yeah, uh chili verde firefly chips

[01:43:28] This is one of those Starbucks circa 1890 to 1910s that right yes

[01:43:33] Yes, yeah the first Starbucks that uh while does need

[01:43:40] Delivered newspapers to back music head. Yeah in Marceline yes

[01:43:45] We got a Donald truck Donald duck Christmas tree

[01:43:49] Donald truck

[01:43:52] Hey kids

[01:43:53] We got at the Plaza Inn we got carrot cake really good carrot cake by the way

[01:43:59] Chocolate mint shortcake we got a holiday cake

[01:44:02] Let's see devil's footage. Wait. Why do we have the devil in the holiday? Oh anyway, oh no

[01:44:07] We got a chocolate cake snow globe Mickey's gingerbread again

[01:44:12] I should have put where you can get these but it's somewhere on Main Street more fun if you have to discover it

[01:44:18] It's like an Easter egg hunt. It's like a reversal of holidays

[01:44:21] Anyway, uh, so I guess the point is does the land winds

[01:44:26] Uh, only specifically if it's Main Street Christmas

[01:44:29] It's Main Street Christmas. That's all we're talking about leaving out the Epcot thing there's a whole festival exactly

[01:44:35] Yep, there's a lot of other part who is there festival the holidays at Epcot or DCA like there is a food and wine festival

[01:44:42] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's smaller because um you know it's a smaller park

[01:44:46] Yeah, by the way, maybe we need to do that by the way hot butter drum while you watch the extremely uh

[01:44:53] The substantially inferior version of world of color they have for the holidays delightful

[01:44:58] I so maybe for next Christmas an additional thing that you can pay money for at

[01:45:04] At Hollywood studios

[01:45:06] No, oh jollywood not talking to jollywood nights

[01:45:10] Maybe next year we can do the uh holiday festival Epcot versus DCA

[01:45:17] You might have so air can feel better or what yeah, so Christmas on Main Street

[01:45:22] Uh, do you have a chicken guy? We have a chicken guy

[01:45:26] That uh

[01:45:28] Disney's I mean those are osc goes down the street

[01:45:30] Mm-hmm. That's a chicken guy. Okay, so we have the Christmas on Main Street

[01:45:36] Part of part of the reason Disneyland wins is because Main Street vehicles was just nothing to do with Christmas on Main Street

[01:45:42] But it seems to be leaving that part out in summation

[01:45:46] Uh

[01:45:47] Disneyland I don't know it's uh, I love Christmas

[01:45:51] In all its forms

[01:45:54] Um, I love to Christmas at Disney World. I love Christmas at Disneyland

[01:45:57] But it seems like Christmas at Disneyland is a little more nuanced

[01:46:01] Um, maybe not less overt but more nuanced and more inclusive

[01:46:06] Anyone can see it anyone can see all the offerings at all times

[01:46:10] Um, the nostalgia piece that Dan had mentioned I think all of it kind of just to be clear when you say inclusive

[01:46:16] You don't mean it in like that bad way that

[01:46:19] Oh the the woke way yeah, not bad. Okay like it's I mean it in that anyone can do it if you can afford to get into Disneyland

[01:46:27] Anyone can enjoy all of the offerings

[01:46:29] It's not exclusive right like some things might be at Disney World

[01:46:34] nuanced etc so Disneyland is Disney lands Main Street does Christmas better

[01:46:41] Have you tried staples but can can you get a

[01:46:45] A a popcorn bucket that is uh made out of 10

[01:46:52] Not probably

[01:46:54] I'm sure somewhere on here. Let's say

[01:46:56] Uh, down to Christmas tree sipper note is on popcorn

[01:47:00] So earlier Dan Eric was mentioning he worked for a travel planner that travel planner is called Concierge

[01:47:06] A five six hour ears if you want to plan a trip to Disneyland to see Christmas

[01:47:10] Done right or Disney World to see a gaudy over shadowed

[01:47:15] Right monstrosity. I don't know um you can call it

[01:47:19] People want to go there so i know it's true

[01:47:22] Forced your wife um she didn't want to go because of all the gaudy Christmas

[01:47:27] Yes, anyway, so recently booked for the Steinler family they're going in March of 2024

[01:47:35] Where they did not have to make theme park reservations

[01:47:38] Hmm new of as of January 9th no more theme park reservations. It doesn't look looks like all Disney World wins

[01:47:45] Also

[01:47:46] Carrie Fishman who's a previous client from concierge

[01:47:50] She and her daughter are going to what they have that i didn't know existed which is a Disney channel after party

[01:47:57] It's a special event Disney Channel party in March

[01:48:00] Uh, she and her daughter daughter are going to that

[01:48:02] They're gonna book their hotel on their own

[01:48:04] And they wanted a one day park hopper the day after the after party none of this

[01:48:10] Disney or excuse me concierge doesn't get paid for any of it

[01:48:12] But she reached out so that i want to do these things. So i booked her those things for her

[01:48:16] And they showed up delightfully in her app so that's something you can do

[01:48:20] Even though concierge does not get compensated for it we're glad to help

[01:48:23] Um other shows on their network you've heard them uh listen to them

[01:48:28] Uh

[01:48:29] Rate and review our show the supreme resort listen to scraping the vault we have alvin in the chipmunks a chipmunk christmas circa 1982

[01:48:37] Which is one of my favorite nostalgic

[01:48:39] Experiences not unlike a very brainy christmas dan and erick do you have anything else to add?

[01:48:44] Uh, I don't know

[01:48:47] If you like boi we got a thing for you

[01:48:51] uh

[01:48:53] Got fifteen doesn't have time to talk about no no no i mean like i don't mean us but yeah

[01:48:56] I mean listen to boi's play oh boi's planning not on this network

[01:49:00] Boi's planning you can find it wherever you hear podcasts that's dan explaining

[01:49:03] David boi to erick

[01:49:05] Oh and by the way i think in case erick's migraine is keeping him from doing this we will have a very special

[01:49:10] Christmas delight for you from

[01:49:13] Boi's planning on this feed

[01:49:17] All right well in the interest of that uh thank you both for all your research

[01:49:20] Thank you listener for listening happy holidays Mary christmas and until next time court is adjourned

[01:49:25] Oh ahead and be good to each other especially now it's christmas

[01:49:55] oh