The Case of the Hollywood Homage Restaurants: Brown Derby v Carthay Circle

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[00:01:48] Eric is also from boy splaining as well as about eight other podcasts. Um, I think because I just decided I wasn't doing it. It was never really hard. The first two weeks I was traveling with family, there was no alcohol around. It's only like occasionally, like maybe once every couple of weeks, like, oh my God, I want to drink right now. But then I think about tomorrow, and I think about how productive I am at night,

[00:03:02] and how productive I am in the morning,

[00:03:05] and how fresh and refreshed I am.

[00:03:07] It's just, I put and so nothing it is. Are you going to change? For you. So what you recommend for scaping the vault. Uh, what do you mean? Because you usually recommend a beer. Are you going to now recommend like an non-alcoholic beer or? No, no, I'll still do it. I'll just go to pop. There's a very delicate ginger beer that.

[00:04:22] I'll still continue with the beer because that's the tradition.

[00:04:24] If I mix it up, it won't be because I don't drink it, but anyway, it's um,

[00:05:25] It's time my wife is a very, very frugal, very responsible person. Thank God for her and everything I do.

[00:05:29] I know.

[00:05:30] So she's incredibly frugal, very responsible.

[00:05:32] She will take months and months researching what's the best, when's it on sale?

[00:05:36] Like, you know, just one of those things, part of its procrastination, but mostly it's

[00:05:40] just, you know, let's be frugal as possible.

[00:05:43] Okay.

[00:05:44] I say all undo the water. So we've been buying like jugs of water. And I'm like, you know, if we do this 2000 more times, we may as well just buy a fridge. So we finally make the decision today. And we found the one we wanted. We went to Best Buy, sorry Home Depot, to buy the fridge.

[00:07:03] This fridge is $3,200.

[00:07:06] Okay?

[00:08:07] So now instead of being $29.99, it was $21.49, right? 50 dollars off.

[00:08:08] As the manager overrode the discount, he typed in,

[00:08:11] 1.949 instead of 2.949.

[00:08:16] All right.

[00:08:19] So this $3,000 fridge is now in our budget of $2,000.

[00:08:24] Listener?

[00:08:26] What do you do? All right. Now that we have all your answers. Was there theme song? Let's find out what happened. What would you do? I think that was the same. Lester Holt or something. Anyway. No, it's not Lester Holt. It's, hold on.

[00:09:40] I'll look it up.

[00:09:41] Was it the gumble?

[00:09:43] So Eric, I'm gonna ask you,

[00:09:45] was it a gumble?

[00:09:46] How many gumbles are there?

[00:09:47] There's Bryant.

[00:10:45] What would you do?

[00:10:50] Nice.

[00:10:53] Oh, no, that's not great. That's not great, Chuck.

[00:10:53] Are you gonna give context that the manager hit on your wife?

[00:10:59] No, the manager was very put out by the whole thing.

[00:11:02] He was not friendly at all.

[00:11:04] He came in, typed his buttons, walked away.

[00:11:07] The salesman at that. Oh, one for not saying anything to, anyway. He's like, oh, I'll let my phone and start distracting.

[00:12:21] Okay, I'm not gonna pull out my phone.

[00:12:24] I'm distracting myself by like, oh, look,

[00:12:26] I'd level up an angry bird. walked away. My wife did what Eric would have done. She said, that is $1,000 less than the actual price you're charging us the wrong amount for this fridge. What a delightful person is your wife? That is the right thing to do. My incredibly frugal months into planning for a $2,000 fridge told the clerk we are paying $1,000

[00:14:44] We got 18 and 18 months zero percent interest. Good job. Best buy. All right. Let's move on.

[00:14:52] Damn show. I'm done. Oh, all right. Hey, this is great. This is the part of the show that people don't want to listen to necessarily. It's good. Well, I think it's really it's possible. Some listeners might not want to listen to

[00:14:59] any of the show because we're talking about restaurants. Yeah.

[00:16:03] idea of my psychology, you know how screw me this is for me. However, I suspect there are many people listening who are like,

[00:16:06] Epic, this douche bag loves this.

[00:16:08] I do not.

[00:16:10] Here we go.

[00:16:11] Uh, what do you want first?

[00:16:12] Mailbag or some frosted tips?

[00:16:15] What do you want?

[00:16:16] You're in charge mailbag because that involved more.

[00:16:20] Hey, and there is a welcome back to hands.

[00:16:24] Mailbag mail to segment that, uh, it still exists.

[00:17:22] episodes to catch up. So I should be with you by April Fool's Day 2024. See you there.

[00:17:25] It's better.

[00:17:26] This is from Toy Soldier Mike. He says, PS when will

[00:17:30] Asher be doing a meet and greet soon? I actually think that

[00:17:34] if we whenever we do have a live show or meet and greet, I

[00:17:37] want to have a Asher costume contest to see who.

[00:17:42] Oh, yeah, I think that's nice.

[00:17:45] If you think about it, loose are basically just like if I only have 43 more episodes left to catch up and I can't wait to hear what happened over the past two years. Well, I give major props to Toy Soldier Mike for knowing what a spirit is. And for actually emailing us because nobody usually does.

[00:19:00] Yeah, well, that's true. People don't email whether it's gonna be busy or not What are your predictions?

[00:20:22] King Southern, California. Mm-hmm normally long line at pirates. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. All of the people that are there in the parks will be at pirates. Yeah. I think for some reason, it's gonna be, I think it's actually gonna be busier

[00:21:40] because people are expecting us to be slower.

[00:21:43] Okay.

[00:21:43] And I'm calling it now,

[00:21:45] there's gonna be a bunch of dads

[00:21:47] watching the game play very shortly. Let's go turn off this podcast and watch the television yesterday. Yeah, so anyway, yeah, I have no idea what some of those words were that we just said, but.

[00:24:04] You ate one of them. I saw you. I was dropped it.

[00:24:12] And then what's the lightning lane line is gone? Then you can get in the standby line because

[00:24:20] Then they'll be moving the standby line because they do not move the standby line when there's a lot of lightning lanes

[00:24:26] Should be obvious, but it's not. Can I a large collection of music that I can just drop into this. I apologize listeners. Please join our Patreon for your sub podcast.

[00:25:45] Please give us $3 a month, $3 a month, one for each of us. thing to say that he's never said before. No boy. Oh crap. Hang on. It's just him. I'm sorry. What was that? I sure. My cousins as getting married is for girls. That's true.

[00:27:07] Are we going to do a show tonight? Yeah, let sometimes is great. Sometimes it's not so great. What I have Uh, and Jimmy is arguing for a car, a circle. If he says something I like, we are going to hear this sound. I'm so proud. I think I'll press.

[00:29:40] All right.

[00:29:43] Now everyone stop giggling.

[00:29:46] Uh, just because he said a thing that sounds like a thing.

[00:29:48] Doesn't mean we need to be immature about this. Famous brown derby, a tinsel town landmark steeped in glamour and glitz. The walls are adorned with caricatures of famous faces, a tradition that began with the original restaurant, and the. Green light the green light. Oh gosh, it's a Hollywood term. Green light the grapefruit cake, a brown derby original baking basket and its glamorous

[00:32:24] citrusy sponginess. Please. His name is Perkel Circle. Perkel Circle. This is like a little lesson to our show. That's right. Okay. Here we go. Transport yourself to Hollywood in the 1930s with a dining experience at Car Thay Circle

[00:33:40] Restaurant in Lounge at Disney California Adventure Park.

[00:33:44] Inspired by Car Thay Circle Theater, the Los Angeles Movie Theater that premiered Walt because just just make it a nice place. Okay. Okay. You know what? It went for. Is that it? Is there or is there more? Is it point for point for point for point? No, that's the whole thing. I'm done. Rest. I rest my case. For gravity. Sweet. Did you really get administer a point? Hey, listen,

[00:35:03] the Bob cops.

[00:35:06] Yeah, we're getting all right.

[00:36:05] The building was purchased and demolished, and they just did another one down the street.

[00:36:12] Well, the Hollywood Brown Derby, because the Brown Derby became a franchise,

[00:40:22] the one that we see at Hollywood Studios now that opened with the park, with the Disney MGM to this location knowing that people like Clark Gable would be in this building and it was easier than looking up the address of their actual house. So while you were dining in this location, you might get a phone call offering you a new movie deal. You might get a letter from Sandra in Ohio. Who knows, he's one of the few who actually has two images because the characterist Jack Lane drew one image that was mostly his face and then a second image that was the owner of the theater, Growman's Chinese theater, where many, many movies were premiered, he came in late one night after a dental procedure and he was having, he had some pain in his mouth and he wanted something that was easy to eat, but he also wanted something hearty. So Bob Cauber.

[00:40:23] Bob Cauber.

[00:40:24] Bob Cauber.

[00:40:24] Right.

[00:40:25] Bob Cauber, the owner at the time, the legitimacy of this show just dropped seven points. Just it was already down to three. We a, it's fine. Let's see. I'm still working on fruit salad and the, the, the, whatever it's called. I don't sound, the origination of the Shirley Temple non-alcoholic drink. Shirley Temple Black did not like the use of her name to make a saccharin sweet treat. It's ginger ale and grenadine with a maraschino cherry garnish. She did not

[00:44:20] appreciate that. If you listen to that NPR, the clip that I got is from an NPR interview with her home to squatters and teenage drugists for many years. Their niece was a very big fan of another style that they made. I'm sorry, it's done like over. You did it. The 1994 North Ridge earthquake destroyed the building, left it in ruins,

[00:45:41] and it became quote, the first building in Hollywood to be demolished.

[00:45:45] People wanted to preserve it, as I was told when. By the way, fans of Boon d'Arksaint's, you would probably also love Swingers. Fair. I haven't seen Swingers in a long time.

[00:47:00] Well, let's go watch Swingers. Let's put that on, scraping the vault.

[00:47:03] Turn off the podcast. Go watch Swingers.

[00:48:06] John Derby also licensed out to MGM Grand Las Vegas in Nevada and MGM Grand Detroit. They still have a website that you can go to where you can buy characters of, or replications

[00:48:12] of the characters.

[00:48:13] As we mentioned before, that is the history of the Brown Derby.

[00:48:21] All right.

[00:48:22] Very cool.

[00:48:24] I agree.

[00:48:25] It exists.

[00:48:26] I agree. The auditorium itself was shaped in the form of a perfect circle, not just a clever name. Extended vertically into a cylinder, set inside a square, that fleshed out the remainder of the building. It ceded 1,150. Initially developed by Fox, it was called the Fox Car-Tha, anyway it's dumb. The exterior design was in the Spanish colonial revival style with whitewashed concrete trimmed and blue with a high bell tower and neon sign visible for miles. The architects were Carlton, Winslow, and Dwight Gibbs.

[00:51:00] The iconic octagonal tower was placed in the front corner spandrel space left between the

[00:51:06] circle and lobbies. Do you think that Jopie would be the one that would eat the rest?

[00:52:20] Oh, absolutely.

[00:52:20] He's a wild card, definitely.

[00:52:24] Well, I think Doc would know like how to cut into the bodies.

[00:52:28] Correct. The life of Emil Zola in 1937, Romeo and Juliet 1936. Walt Disney's first animated feature length film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs in 1937. Never heard of it. Was it any good? That's one. By the way, Warfs, you're correct. Who, sadly, famously, were not allowed into the theater because it was the 1930s.

[00:53:41] Sorry, that was an homage to the next film

[00:53:43] that premiered there Gone with the Wind in 1939.

[00:53:46] The dwarfs were loaded to the theater. Only Gromman's Chinese theater in Hollywood also had such elaborate premieres in that era. In 1951, the first Patsy Award ceremony was held at the Carthay Circle. I bring this up because it was presented by American Humane Society and the event was hosted by none other than Mr. Ronald Reagan and it honored Francis the talking mule as

[00:55:04] the first recipient of the Karthi Circle Theater. Would you like to hear where they are? Sure. Sure. In July of 1994, a smaller scale pastiche of the facade of the theater, primarily the octagonal tower was opened as,

[00:56:22] wait for it. We just talked about it before.

[00:56:23] That story I'm in MGM Studios.

[00:56:24] Once upon a time, a gift shop on Sunset Boulevard section

[00:56:28] of Disney's Hollywood Studios Karthi Circle restaurant on the second floor, the original's signature circular floor plant plan is absent from the replica building, and the circular parapet is squared off from the outside. I'm gonna ask a really dumb question, and you might have already said this while I was thinking about other things. Did it open with the park?

[00:57:41] It, well, it depends on your opinion

[00:57:45] of when the park actually opened.

[00:57:47] Okay, got it.

[00:58:41] has existed and that you said.

[00:58:47] Let's see, I have questions that relate to the Disney parks versions of these places.

[00:58:50] Do you want me to ask them now

[00:58:51] or when we get into the Disney parks versions?

[00:58:54] You're the judge, go for it, whatever you want.

[00:58:56] Okay, so Eric, do you feel that the brown derby

[00:59:02] having multiple locations, including one inside Hollywood

[01:00:14] Florida. Okay. So there's still one in Vegas. I don't know. I don't think so. I didn't look that much into it, but yeah, I don't know what's that MGM. Paris still has a brown derby. I don't know what Tokyo.

[01:01:40] So it sounds like in some ways having it there makes it's a Hollywood park. It's more iconic because people know of the Brown Derby restaurant. I think the Cartha Circle Theater, which I mean, if they're gonna build a theater in the park, they should have done that. But having at a restaurant, I think largely,

[01:01:43] the people who care about Cartha Circle are specifically Disney fans.

[01:01:45] Because I think an's the point of this and you're right, nobody would care, but I think that's 100% the conversation, Dan. Oh, Car Three Circle, what's that? It's the place Snow White

[01:03:02] premiered.

[01:03:03] Oh, okay.

[01:03:04] Or I don't care. But you bring up a good of is the weeny. Yeah, I take a picture in front of it every time I go.

[01:04:20] It is the central hub of the park if you can call it that.

[01:04:23] Yeah, okay, okay.

[01:04:25] I got where I needed and I appreciate that. So, it's a sacrant, sweet, icky drink. Those are the ones. That's the ones. Next up we have similarities and inspirations in the restaurant paying homage to the original Eric Go.

[01:05:40] Oh my goodness.

[01:05:42] Well, basically it's the same layout as the restaurant on 1628 Vine Street. He'll point him out to you. Take grandma and she'll say, ah, he had a real flame going for Candace Bergen, not Candace. She's too recent. Yeah, she's too young. Yeah, she's much too young. Why did I think of Candace Bergen? Oh, Edgar Bergen was Candace Bergen's grandfather.

[01:07:03] Right.

[01:07:04] That's why I was like, the guy with the puppets.

[01:08:06] in Florida. As you walk inside, the check-and-desk is to your right and your server will escort you into the very large main room. The brown derby sign

[01:08:11] outside on top of the building is in the shape of a hat, much like the original

[01:08:18] the original restaurant. It is, it has neon, looks great at night. Around the The last inspection at the Hollywood Brown Derby in Hollywood Studios was December 9th, 2023. There were three violations. Employees were using a sponge to clean up lime juice instead of an approved cloth. The glass dishwasher was not working. The restaurant used the main

[01:09:41] dishwasher to wash the bar okay. Yeah, because that fits, it is an actual replica of the thing, whereas Carte, I'm not anti, it used to be a theater, not as much anymore, but it's not a restaurant, so it's weird.

[01:11:02] But it could be weird in good ways, so that's fine.

[01:11:05] Jimmy, what are the things? This was the big one of the Hollywood brown derbies. The other brown derbies were like, it's just a different brown derby. And some of them gained notoriety later. Like I said, in the 90s, Velos Feliz became a place for SCA and big band to come back. This one was the classic one.

[01:12:23] That's the draw. in actual Hollywood. Right. Okay. Jimmy, Karate. Yeah, so I already talked about the, the building's exterior is a replica of the Karate Circle theater. How direct of a replica is it just, because I don't know? It's just slightly smaller. And the only thing I could find is the circular parapet

[01:13:41] is squared off from the outside,

[01:13:43] but it basically looks like the theater. Again, I'm reminded when I do a vacation package for a Disney lander like I did for a friend just recently Mitchell. Mitchell booked a package and I was like, let's do, he wants to do on a Friday, wants to do Blue Bayou, right?

[01:15:00] He's there for three nights.

[01:15:01] He wants to do Blue Bayou on a Friday night, like good luck.

[01:15:05] Then he wants to do Oga's on a Saturday, you're in a booth, which is like, you're there. More comfortable. Well, it's more comfortable, but like, when you think of the Star Wars cantina, you don't- Totally, standing around the bar. Yeah, you don't like, you're not thinking about the people

[01:16:20] that are hanging out at the booth unless it's Han Solo,

[01:16:23] and you don't get to shoot any one.

[01:16:24] Greedo shot first.

[01:17:22] off a boi in Avista Street in Hollywood Boulevard, serving a similar purpose to the central plaza

[01:17:25] at Disneyland Park.

[01:17:27] In a sense, it is the castle-like hub

[01:17:30] of Disney California Adventure.

[01:17:31] The one in later.

[01:17:32] The one in perhaps.

[01:17:34] Yes.

[01:17:35] When you enter the front doors,

[01:17:37] you are placed back in time at a sophisticated lounge.

[01:17:40] The look of the two-story space draws on

[01:17:42] the dramatic interior styling

[01:17:44] of the original Cartha Circle Theater.

[01:17:46] By the way, I looked above the centerpiece of the room is a replica of the Snow Whites Forbidden Forest. Short of lights on, Marty? Kind of. Adjacent to the main dining room, there are three semi-pryate dining. Hold on, wait a minute, wait, that doesn't sit right with me.

[01:19:01] What?

[01:19:04] The mural?

[01:19:05] A replica of the Snow Whites Forbidden Forest.

[01:19:06] It's a good mural. The sacrant sweet icky drink. Wait, an apple shaped aapolique pierces the center of the chandelier to represent the poison apple from the story. Shirley temple is there. How long the temple's got a picture? How long did that movie play at the Karthi Circle?

[01:20:22] Did the Karthi Circle just become?

[01:20:25] It's like a night.

[01:20:26] No white theater.

[01:20:27] It's the premiere.

[01:20:28] Yeah. currently holding up the main headquarters. Well, yeah, that's fine. But this is the main- Is the foundation of this topic? This is a replica of the theater. The connection is the connection. The connection is the history. This is like double dipping on connection here. Just like, oh, remember that? Remember that? It's like, well, yeah. The reason why we're allowing you to have a theater

[01:21:41] as like a big restaurant is because it makes sense

[01:21:45] for it to have a presence there

[01:21:48] and why not put a restaurant in there? Like, well, you're in luck. Okay. No, I take that back. Okay. So there, the one in particular thing that I think is really interesting. This is just me as a kind of a musical slash Hollywood nerd. There's a photograph of Audrey Hepburn congratulating Julie Andrews on winning her Oscar for Mary Poppins.

[01:23:03] The significance of that is that played Alice in the Alice comedies from 1925 to 1927. That's

[01:24:22] a picture of her standing between Walt and Roy. Totally. But like by the time you get into the room with the Apple chandelier or whatever, like you, you have already, you already know what it is. That's, that's my point is just like, okay, great. Cool. Let's, let's have like, let's have the experience be the experience now.

[01:25:44] But anyway, that I, I'm also aware And that works. I mean, it's a good way to, I think Robert Downey Jr. was that character in Oppenheimer, I think. Sure. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. So, an amalgam, yeah. Yeah. Which is a good way to do it. So, I think moving forward, when we talk about the actual restaurants, I don't know

[01:27:02] how Dan, how you want to go with this, but both know it's limited. I think they're only in our. Okay, well it's smaller, but I don't think they're open for lunch. They are. Oh, okay. Yeah, Brown Derby's got, yeah, we've got stuff to talk about there. So yeah, why don't you go ahead, Eric, why don't you get into the menu. Let's not do a, just for me, maybe for the listener.

[01:28:21] Let's not go into every menu item,

[01:28:23] like as in what's in every menu.

[01:28:26] Don't worry, I'm not part of the argument.

[01:28:28] So you're not't have that. All right, never mind. We're doing the menu. It's not a lot of stuff. It's not a lot of stuff. It's not a lot of stuff. It's not a lot of stuff. It's not a lot of stuff. It's not a lot of stuff. It's not a lot of stuff. It's not a lot of stuff. It's not a lot of stuff. It's not a lot of stuff. It's not a lot of stuff.

[01:29:40] It's not a lot of stuff.

[01:29:41] It's not a lot of stuff.

[01:29:42] It's not a lot of stuff.

[01:29:43] It's not a lot of stuff.

[01:29:44] It's not a lot of stuff.

[01:29:45] It's not a lot of stuff.

[01:29:46] It's not a lot of stuff.

[01:29:47] It's not a lot of stuff.

[01:29:48] It's not a lot of stuff. menu at the Brown Derby is currently the same as the restaurant menu. Is that a good or a bad thing? So however we want to get there, let's first talk about general price range. What are we looking at if we want to get maybe not the most expensive thing on the menu,

[01:31:00] but your average price point for each one?

[01:31:03] Okay.

[01:31:04] Well, yeah. Okay, that's nice. There are others. Entrees. Yeah, go ahead. Entrees, go for it. Entrees, 33 to 49. The notable exception is the cob salad, which is only $25. If you want to add additional chicken or shrimp reminder that this comes with turkey, turkey

[01:32:27] and bacon. to go to the Bronderby, but I don't really know what to eat. What, what like two or three things should I absolutely consider because they do that especially well there? Fale. Fale. Okay. That fillet, the risotto is amazing. It's, it's expensive as all hell. Like it's the most expensive thing on the menu.

[01:33:40] Right.

[01:33:40] It's $49.

[01:33:42] But I mean, a filet is a filet. what Sheppard's pie contains. Well, Shepherd first. Yes, obviously. Isn't there an apostrophe in there? It's not made of Shepherd. It's his pie. I've been making it wrong this whole time. This Shepherd made the pie. Oh, no. Yes, we need Todd reference over here. Sheppard's pie peppered with actual Shepherd on top.

[01:35:01] Okay, so let's also not forget.

[01:35:04] I just, it just occurred to me.

[01:35:06] This is generally fatty creamy food, Have you met my friend, seared Brussels sprouts with pancetta, not bacon? Rendered pancetta, way better than bacon. So enhancements, eight to $17. Desserts, grapefruit cake is the iconic one from the restaurant.

[01:36:20] That sounds like something an old lady would make and I don't mean that in a bad way.

[01:36:24] Well, would you like to hear the story of grapefruit cake? Oh, but the cake is so fantastic. There are a few other things, poached pears and panna cotta, a chuck cake creme brulee, all of these desserts are about $14. Usually on the menu there's an option to have like small samples of each different type of dessert. Oh, and they don't have it on the website, but every single time I've been there it's

[01:37:44] on the lunch menu. So here's drinks. For $9.25, you can get a press pot of Peru, Alto, Mayo, Forest, Coffee, roasted by Joffrey's. It's a sustainable growing practice. They specifically went to this particular place to get their coffee. And that press

[01:39:02] pot is good for like two people. You can share your coffee. They've got expensive wines. Cocktails are the main drag here at the, not the Carrethe, we're at the other one, we're at the Brown Derby. About 16 bucks for most of the cocktails, they have coffee cocktails, they have the classic grapefruit cake martini, which has a rim of like graham cracker crust.

[01:40:21] It's my wife's favorite.

[01:40:24] It's pretty good and it is another original both do really great jobs of it. I've got, do we want to do old menus now? Let's definitely get there, but let's wait to hear about Karthi. I do have another question about Branderby. Do they have any sort of special ice arrangements

[01:41:42] because that's going to come up for Karthi?

[01:41:44] Special ice.

[01:42:41] We're covered there. Yeah, Disney's into the weird eyes.

[01:42:45] They like it.

[01:42:47] And Jimmy, bless you.

[01:42:50] Thank you.

[01:42:51] What do you got?

[01:42:53] For the record, Jimmy.

[01:42:54] So here's where I'm torn.

[01:42:57] The cocktail thing we'll get into,

[01:42:59] I didn't 100% spend a lot of time with it.

[01:43:02] There were a couple of things that stand out

[01:43:04] when we're talking about cocktails.

[01:43:05] But I feel like these two are kind of,

[01:43:08] you correct me if I'm wrong, your roasted globe artichoke is 17 to your citrus marinated sustainable fish ceviche. A lot more fresh and seafood, a lot less kind of, you're not getting meat pies and whatnot. You've got a pierogi stroganoff, dining room. There's some for the table share, mashed potatoes, dinner rolls, brussel sprouts, et cetera. How many rolls? I mean, types of rolls. Just the one type of warm cheddar Parker house rolls. Those are good rolls. Yeah. With a chili pine nut, a Romesco butter.

[01:45:43] And then you've got the alfresco dining.

[01:45:45] There are 12 items, no appetizers nut crunch Mickey ice cream pop, of course. And then for dessert, an artisan selected cheese board, which we all love a good cheese board for dessert. At the main restaurant, desserts are warm winter pear cranberry crostata. This is current, obviously. And then a chocolate cheesecake and a seasonal sorbet. The kids' meals are identical. Those are the only things

[01:47:02] that are the same. All of the kids' meals are the same in both. That's, you know, everything else is different. So you've got a variety of 12 items for all fresco. And I'm having difficulty like, I'm, I swear, I'm not trying to make brown derby win this. But like, I'm trying to find some coherence within the menus. And I'm

[01:48:20] just not seeing it other than it all feels veryatton Jewel of Hollywood. I mean, it's all the same standard. I have since-minded Peachtree Punch, Florida Punch.

[01:49:40] Florida Collins.

[01:49:42] I guess my point is it's all. It's charming that they have that. In Carthe, I understand why they have the fancy ask. I get that it's fresh and the menu changes,

[01:51:01] I think, on a thing of the past.

[01:53:40] So if they wanted to be hoity toity, the lounge al fresco thing kind of makes it a lot more user of just hung out at the Carthay lounge with people. It's been just really, it's a very nice hangout place. It is. It's very nice. Yes. So, and where I was struggling with it is it's not the restaurant. Right. You know? Yeah. And that's why it's hard to argue because

[01:53:41] Brown Derby is the restaurant.

[01:53:43] And if you're in the lounge,

[01:53:44] it's because you didn't make a reservation

[01:53:46] and it's the restaurant, in vice versa. Which is the lounge at... But let's have at least a tiny rope bridge between the two, you know? Yeah. The lounge at Brown Derby, I will say, they do have smaller versions of some of the meals, and that's not... It's not on the main site right now, but from what I've seen, every time we show up and there's always something different. There is a separate menu for, they've got a prefix menu for the fantastic dining package. There's a, there's a new thing that they started doing this year during Jollywood nights at Hollywood Studios where when you show

[01:56:22] up during that night, there's a completely different menu. They have live jazz playing.

[01:57:24] My biggest question is, can I get the world of color dining package at the lounge in Carthe because I know how hard it is

[01:57:29] to get into the restaurant?

[01:57:34] Well, Dan, the answer is no, but it's also no at the other

[01:57:41] at Brown Derby.

[01:57:42] You don't get it at the lounge.

[01:57:43] You have to be the last.

[01:57:44] I checked the lunch.

[01:58:44] any of this? So he can't refute it.

[01:58:47] All right, let's hear it. Let's hear what the slander you're

[01:58:54] talking about here. Dan, I apologize. Alfresco dining is open

[01:58:58] from 11 a.m. to 355 and dinner from four to eight. The restaurant is only open for dinner. Oh, okay. Because the alfresco is the

[01:59:02] outside. Yeah, I was patty oldoria. Tritoria is fine. I got the steak there once, and in terms of like what you're expecting for a theme park steak, it's fine, it's not great. I wouldn't begrudge anyone who, you know, felt the Tritoria was a really good place,

[02:00:22] but it's not.

[02:00:23] I mean, if you have a taste for like,

[02:01:24] slowly needing to eat with every passing minute. As we talk about food.

[02:01:25] Yeah.

[02:01:26] Yeah.

[02:01:27] Maybe we can save that for another time.

[02:01:30] I don't know when that would be.

[02:01:32] But let's talk about opening day menus.

[02:01:38] Ish.

[02:01:39] Yes.

[02:01:39] So you open at 89, you've got a menu from 99.

[02:01:42] Yeah, it's still the $10 million.

[02:01:43] OK.

[02:01:44] So from 10 years later.

[02:01:46] 10 years after they So, Jim, what do you got?

[02:03:00] All right. So, today, Dan, you can get a, a, a, a, a, $26. Jesus. In 2012 you could get a- Not very sustainable for the budget, am I right? Yeah. In 2012 you could get a halibut ceviche, not sustainable for how many dollars? 13.

[02:04:21] Close.

[02:04:22] 15.

[02:04:23] 15, exactly.

[02:04:24] Ooh. All right, land impact. Basically, Eric, talk me away from letting Karate win this one. I mean, it's at the end of their Hollywood Boulevard. It just feels a part of everything that's on the,

[02:05:45] that side of the park. It's got the neon sign up there. Nobody's ever that knife. Yeah, everybody leaves out there. The problem is there's a giant, there's a giant like train sign that blocks the restaurant and it's off the beaten path. Like it's not on the road when you're walking down Hollywood Boulevard towards Tower of Terror. If they still had the cinnamon bun store on the side,

[02:07:03] you wouldn't be saying that.

[02:07:04] Okay, I'm gonna throw you,

[02:07:06] I'm gonna throw a rope into going with that is I could see a case being made for it sort of like being like, you know, just like Hollywood things are kind of like iconic things are just next to each other. You got to know what you're looking for. Yeah, and I think that that would work if there were more iconic things that weren't just like

[02:09:22] Least I do? I don't know.

[02:09:27] Carthy Circle, I can't remember the last time I actually ate or drank his carthy.

[02:09:30] Because it was a pain to get into.

[02:09:37] With me, when we didn't go to the Disney Junior Dance Party Live on stage in 2023, it was the last time you ate there. We sat on the patio and ate. That's the last time.

[02:09:42] Did we? Less than a year ago.

[02:09:43] Yeah. We ate El fresco, baby.

[02:09:46] Did we? I thought we did. on the streets and you're kind of, I don't know, it just is the central focal point. Yeah, it's the kinetic energy of the area. It's the, I mean, this may hurt my argument, but it's similar to me to Pinocchio Village House in Magic Kingdom. It's kind of the central square of the land. Yeah, I mean, I don't know why it would take away. I'm not like anti-Disney world.

[02:12:00] the age of the restaurant. I don't know, it feels very fresh, the food is fresh,

[02:12:03] the atmosphere is fresh, sort of the outdoor aesthetic.

[02:12:07] Brown Derby is just very depressing to me.

[02:12:10] It's dark, it's, and maybe that's the intention,

[02:12:13] but it just kind of feels very dark and secluded and hidden.

[02:12:17] It feels more authentic to that, that 40s era,

[02:12:21] which is, yeah, I agree.

[02:12:22] Yeah, no, you're in a large room.

[02:12:24] There's, it's noisy, it everyone knows what the brand derby is. It's an iconic Hollywood place that no longer exists in Hollywood, which is kind of weird, but whatever. So when you hear, oh, brand derby, that makes sense.

[02:13:42] When they opened it.

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