The case of the Frontierland Shootin' Arcades: Exposition v Arcade

[00:00:00] Welcome to the Supreme Resort Land v World, a podcast about Disneyland and Walt Disney World and which is the Supreme Resort? Each episode we will discuss and explore each resort ride by ride land by land park by park to determine which is better.

[00:00:34] I'm your host Jimmy and thank you for joining me on this quest to help the greater good of humanity answer this long elusive question which is better Disneyland or Walt Disney World. Joining me as always to help find the answer is Dan. Hi, Dan. Hi, Dan. Hi.

[00:00:50] Doing better than ever and looking forward to a lot of things. And he's prepared and Eric. Also prepared and here. Great. Listener, we have a very two very special guests on the episode today.

[00:01:02] If you're a fan of the hub crawl that you know them well from the last or one of the last episodes. If this is five years from now, look five years back sometime around June. We have my children and Disney Parks fans, Alex and Paxton. Hello, Alex. Hi.

[00:01:20] Hi. Thanks for being here. Alex. You're welcome. Thanks. We also have Paxton. Hi, Paxton. Hi. Do you guys remember me? I'm the funny one. Oh, okay. So, listener again. If this is the first time you're hearing their voices on there Paxton.

[00:01:43] This is the first time you're hearing their voices. Then go back and listen to the hub crawl where we had what was what were the topics of that episode, Eric? It was rides you're afraid of what were the questions? Oh my goodness.

[00:01:54] Well, you could have prepared me for this like the whole thing. But yes, that was a bi weekly podcast of where people get around sit around and talk about all things Disney. Yeah.

[00:02:06] Anyway, so some of the questions were, you know, what is your, you know, we did the ideal eating around the world. We did rides you're afraid of, etc. And Alex and Paxton both shared some things that they were apprehensive about with respect to our recent trip to Disneyland.

[00:02:22] Now for all intents and purposes, this was their first for realsies trip. They're both sort of beyond their fears of rides. And we went for two full days. We stayed at the Disneyland hotel and the villas. It was wonderful.

[00:02:35] So as a follow up from that episode, we had some listeners who requested a follow up. So we're going to have it here. If you want to listen to the prequel, if you will, you can listen to the hub crawl for now.

[00:02:47] Alex and Paxton, Alex, I wanted to start with you. I remember in that episode, you had mentioned that one of the rides you were most apprehensive about was the Matterhorn. Did you ride the Matterhorn at Disneyland? Yes, I did ride the Matterhorn. And what did you think?

[00:03:05] Are you still apprehensive about it? It's too much work looking away from that yeti three times way too much work. Too much work. Was it was it painful at all? That does your back still hurt? No, my back does not hurt.

[00:03:19] It's not as painful as space bound at the Magic Kingdom. True. Also, before we get to Paxton's answer, Alex did follow your advice, Dan, on the Incredicoster. And Dan or Alex, what was the advice that Dan gave you and what did you do?

[00:03:38] He said on the loop on Incredicoster, look up and I did that and it helped. Okay. Cool. That's good. That's good. Yeah. All right. Paxton. I didn't. You didn't look up and what happened? Defiant.

[00:03:52] It was like the most fun part of the ride because I didn't really like it because I couldn't see anything. Yeah, that was one of the things listener. I don't know if you experienced this when you were young or you have young ones that experience it.

[00:04:04] Paxton did not really have trouble with any of the rides and we'll get to his biggest fear in a minute. But the Incredicoster he rode in the back row. Now he's not short but shortish for his age.

[00:04:18] So when you're in the back row of a ride, you're not sure what you're going to see in the back row of a roller coaster like that where his head is sort of at the shoulder restraints. So he can't really see in front of him.

[00:04:30] All he can see is what's going on and side to side. So you can imagine it being rather intense if you don't know what's happening next and like your heads rattling around because you can't anticipate moves because you can't see what's going on, right? Yeah.

[00:04:44] So he did not love that ride. We tried to get on him a couple of times and that was just the one one and only experience. He did say that was the most fun part, Paxton, was the loop? Yeah.

[00:04:54] I wasn't really scared for that part because I've been on a loop before. Oh, that's right. Dan has a question. Yes, I have a question for the gentleman on stage. Did you enjoy the babies on spikes while riding the Incredicoster?

[00:05:12] Yes, I had a lot of fun looking at babies stabbed on spikes. Indeed. I didn't I didn't really see any because I couldn't see anything. All I saw was a green slimy baby that was getting stretched out. Let me explain what you missed.

[00:05:29] There is a very, very realistic and convincing effect of Jack Jack either teleporting or multiplying himself again, very convincing. And especially in the daytime when you can see especially in the daytime. And there's no question about it.

[00:05:49] It does not just look like someone impaled a bunch of babies on spikes. Yeah, when you mentioned that, I was like, well, don't forget about Jack Jack when you mentioned the babies on spikes. It's like, yeah, we saw those, but don't forget about Jack Jack.

[00:06:01] Anyway, all right, Paxton, his biggest concern was the Guardians of the Galaxy colon mission breakout. Paxton, what's the verdict? Well, it was a really fun ride. I've been on Tower of Terror at Walt Disney World, but that really got my heart going because I was only like seven.

[00:06:22] So I got really scared for that. So I thought I would be scared for Guardians, but it was actually really exhilarating and fun ride. And I loved it a lot. How many times did you go on it?

[00:06:34] Twice, but if I had the chance to go on more times, I'll go on it like 10 times probably. Yeah. And what is the advice for that ride for you and what did you do? Um, he said, listen to the music. Mm hmm. Um, did you?

[00:06:51] The second time I did, but the first time I was just and to and to anticipate anticipating for the drops to happen. I mean, yeah, if you're into it, you're into it. But if anyone has any apprehension,

[00:07:08] I'm going to use another difficult word that I almost didn't say. Uh, then just listen to the music is a good way to go. But I'm glad you liked it. That's awesome. Yeah. Um, so I think they don't all get to their other verdicts, but, um,

[00:07:23] the other question I had, oh, so, so Eric and Dan both experienced Disneyland with my wife, Dina, former guest of the show. We had one day and we by God, we're going to do everything we could possibly do in that day. And still in the COVID era.

[00:07:38] And we sure did. Now, so we had two full days. So we had, we had a pool break. How were you able to keep up that pace? It happened, Dan. Oh, yeah. So I'm the morning person in the relationship. Dean is the night night owl.

[00:07:54] So I was getting everybody out of the room by we got out by seven the first day and we were five minutes late to get into the pre rope drop for resort guests. We were walking past. I forgive you.

[00:08:07] We were walking past the, so for those of you who've been the rope drop at Disneyland for where we were going is to the right hand side past the corn dog cart right in front of the fried chicken place. Right. We walked through that line at seven 34.

[00:08:23] So we were four minutes late as far as I could tell. We maximized. We did a lot of stuff. So I said, we need to leave no later than six 50 to go to the, to DCA the next day.

[00:08:36] Now I did not anticipate security, not only not being open until seven, but just the married people waiting. We had to wait in a long line to get it. Still made it in time. We had to wait a couple of minutes in front of award

[00:08:48] wieners before getting into that park the second day. But Alex or excuse me, Paxton and Dina stayed in the park until I want to say 11 the first day and 11 30 the second day. Wow. At that point, so seven 30 to 11 30 with about an hour break in between.

[00:09:11] We did the French market, Dan. That's something you introduced me to. Dina loved it. Boys, did you like the French market? Diana's culinary adventure. No French. Oh, sorry. Cafe Orleans, my apologies. Oh, okay. Cafe Orleans. We sat down. We had a delightful meal.

[00:09:26] Guys, do you remember Cafe Orleans where we sat on the patio that first day? Yes, I remembered it a lot. Do you remember what you ate? Um, I ate a bowl of mac and cheese because I do not like Mexican Mexican food.

[00:09:41] OK, well, you went to not Mexican food, so that's a good place. And then this is the I guess we did see it on the patio a lot. Alex, do you remember Cafe Orleans in in New Orleans Square? That first day?

[00:09:53] Yes, I do, but I have no idea what I ate. I ate chicken and it was wonderful. And I asked for that brown gravy they had in a dish that it was wonderful. Lots of dipping. Dan, you have a question? Yes, I have a question.

[00:10:06] Did or let me rephrase this. How much, especially on your first day, did you both enjoy sitting there eating a meal while everyone else was going on rides? Boys? No, definitely not. Oh, no. You didn't like sitting there while you could have been on rides?

[00:10:28] Well, the first day because it's the first day I'm like, why do we have to sit here and eat while we could be in a wait, like a 10 minute wait for a roller coaster? Right. I was also a 10 minute wait for a good food. That's also true.

[00:10:47] I enjoy sitting down meals, but I remember what it's like to be that age, Alex, what ride can you think of that you could have been going on during this time if you were in Disney World that you have already been on and your father is not?

[00:11:01] Disney World. Oh, Tron, I could have been going on that on the other side of the country while you were at Disneyland. Did your dad get to go on Tron? No. Oh, OK. How many times did he point out the fact that he's been on Tron?

[00:11:17] I have not during our trip. During the trip only once. Oh, just once. All right. But Alex, did you like Cafe Orleans, the sit down meal in New Orleans Square looking at the river? I don't remember it at all. OK. Great. Dina really liked it.

[00:11:33] She had we'd never done sit down dining. We did PIMS that time, Eric and Dan, and we had that $100 sandwich. That's like the extent of her sit down dining experience at Disneyland. So really she loved it. The food quality was great. She had a glass of wine.

[00:11:47] We watched all the frontier land, kinetic energy. New Orleans Square was wonderful. Another thing I learned is I could not find phantasmic dining packages for they did not have them for that day. I'd been looking for weeks.

[00:12:01] Huh. Finally, what popped up was Riverbler Terrace for the second showing. That's all that popped up in the app when I was searching for dining for four. When I went to the Rancho del Soculo at 10.59,

[00:12:16] like right when it opened, walked in and said, can we do phantasmic dining? Sure. Search for phantasmic dining. Don't go to make reservations. Search for phantasmic dining. It all popped up. Oh, that's a minor detail that I should have known to tell you.

[00:12:36] And I didn't search for it. I just said, no, make a dining reservation for people today, blah, blah, blah. Jimmy, do you think next time you would call one of your friendly concierves to you would think so? You would think so. Who knew that you'd need to ask?

[00:12:51] By the way, if you book a vacation with Jimmy, remind him that you look under the phantasmic. Search for phantasmic dining packages in the app. Anyway, so we got it right there. Right when it opened, it was the early dining, you know, first showing for 1.20 p.m.

[00:13:09] It was it was 11 o'clock in the morning at this point. And I'm like, do we have to wait till 1.20? And they said, no, you don't. It takes about 30 minutes for the system to recognize you. So we had a lightning lane for Thunder Mountain

[00:13:22] and when on Thunder Mountain came back sat down and ate. That's an interesting hack to know about. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, because it's counter service is like they're not having to, you know, worry about accommodating for servers and all that kind of stuff.

[00:13:35] So anyway, it was it was great. But that's where Paxton had the mac and cheese. That's true. And I would imagine that in most cases, just like in most cases, like this that we've talked about always ask nicely and that's right.

[00:13:51] Be prepared for the answer to be no. Amen. Alex and or Paxton have a question. I have a question. What? No. Sorry. That's right. I have a quite. Oh, no, I have something to say. But if you're there's no statement button on our app, if you're confused,

[00:14:09] listener, where you're using a feature on Zinc, Esther, that we don't always use. We've never used it. Never used it. But it's delightful. When somebody raises their hand, their little image, you've all you've all seen it.

[00:14:21] Listener, Vicki on Zoom or whatever little image box goes up and down. So there is no statement button, but there is a question button. So either way, he's raising his hand. Go ahead, Paxton. So at Cafe Cafe or Leeds, there are these little cakes that everybody got

[00:14:38] on a meal. Oh, no, that was for Rancho Del Socolo. Yeah, those. Oh, the cake everyone else had. Oh, gosh. And? Well, anyways, I thought I was the only one that thought they were good. So I basically had all of them. I agree.

[00:14:56] OK, raspberry jam in the middle was good. It was fine. It's not bad, but it's it's it's, you know, they. Yeah, it's like on this show so often where it comes down to like, well, they at least tried on this one versus they didn't try on this.

[00:15:14] This was they they didn't really try. Yeah. So listener, if you do want to do a Phantasmagdianing package, the Rancho option is a phenomenal option. If you get there early enough, you are so right next to the Blue Bayou group.

[00:15:29] We got there a little late, so we were a little far to the left. So we were kind of between the two screens, the center screen and the left screen, which I didn't love. But if you get there early enough,

[00:15:37] you're right next to Blue Bayou. So Rancho's, you know, it's a cheaper option. It's really good carne asada is what we had. Anyway, so another thing I wanted to ask the boys, first of all, Paxton being the younger of the two.

[00:15:52] Alex, forgive me if this is out of turn, but he seems to be a little bit more adventurous than you are. Is that fair? He's nodding. That's a yes. That's a compliment. So his first single writer line ever was Space Mountain. So it was, excuse me,

[00:16:09] Paxton, Dina and myself were in the single writer queue for Space Mountain. It was probably, it was quoted as about 15 to 20 minutes. We probably waited 10. But we're standing out next to the Magic Eye Theater and they just bring groups of five in

[00:16:23] through the building and walk them through to the end. So we're all out there. And so there are probably two or three people in front of us. It's Paxton, Dina and myself.

[00:16:33] And the people in front of us wanted to stick together, even though they were going to be ride together. And so that the cast members like, Hey, is there one that wants to go?

[00:16:43] And Paxton's like, peace. So he just left. And they're like, this is his first single writer. We have no way to reach him. Like I don't, like he could just go on the ride and just we have no idea. So he just went on, did his thing.

[00:16:57] He waited at the exit for us. It was very sweet. Anyway, yeah. So Alex, what is your favorite ride at Disneyland now? You've been multiple times. Either in Credit Coaster or Space Mountain. Now in Credit Coaster because your brother

[00:17:14] is still afraid of it or because it's a better ride. A mix of both. A mix of both. Okay. And Paxton, what is your favorite ride at Disneyland Resort? Space Mountain. Okay, hands down. More than Guardians.

[00:17:28] Yes. Yes, definitely. Okay. Alex, did you get to go on the queue for Space Mountain at all? Or did you just do single writer? I just, well, first time we only got, yeah, we only got to do Lightning Lane queue. But yeah. Got it.

[00:17:45] And no, we didn't do Lightning Lane queue the first time. The first time we did rope drop. It's the first thing we did when we walked in at 734. We were behind a couple who, they were mouse catheers for sure. And we were zigzagging through,

[00:18:02] like this was, nobody's there, right? And we were going through switchbacks in the old arcade. And at some point we're like, something is not right. We should not be over here. We already walked through the building. Now we're outside again. Somebody did not put a rope

[00:18:18] somewhere. So because we knew, we were like, we're turning around. We went back. People go and follow in those people. We're like, guys, you're going the wrong way. Something's wrong. We walked into the building. There was nobody there because

[00:18:30] there's no rope up that tells you which way to go. They're taking you through the start cave? Like what? Well, not on purpose, but nobody, like no cast member, like, closed the line off so you wouldn't keep going through all the switchbacks. So we're just

[00:18:42] wandering around. Alex, when your dad mentioned going through the arcade, you looked surprised. Were you aware that that was formally an arcade? I was not aware that I was surprised.

[00:18:54] Do you feel like they have made a better use of space by turning it into a series of switchbacks than having it be an arcade where people can play games and have lots of fun?

[00:19:05] Sure. Now what they should have done kept the arcade and switchback so you could play games whilst in line. That's interactive queue right there. Done. And if you win against the person in air hockey, you get to take their place. Oh, that's right. That's good. That's good.

[00:19:24] Disney, take notes. Take notes. I know we're listening. Alex, which is better, Disneyland or Disney World? You mean like parks or certain rides? Yeah, like if somebody, if you had a friend who never been to either or maybe been to one or the other and they said,

[00:19:44] which is better Disneyland or Disney World? What would you say? I would say it depends on what you're looking for. Like if you want a more action packed day, go to Disneyland. But if you want a more relaxing day with kind of more breaks,

[00:20:01] then go to Disney World. Now that's a great answer. Do you mentioned when we were there something like if you could take the rides at Disneyland and put them at Disney World, something like that? Yeah, I said that because the versions of rides at each park, especially

[00:20:20] Space Mountain are far better at Disneyland than they are at Disney World. Interesting. And there's like in fantasy land, there's way more dark rides that you cannot find at Disney World and Disneyland. That's true. All right, Paxton, you have a statement or a question?

[00:20:40] Yes, this is for you, Dan. The castle is tiny. I know, it's shameful. They should just burn it down. It's tiny. So that's an ongoing joke in the show, listener. You probably know this. And

[00:20:52] I had the boys posing vomiting on the street in front of the castle because they were so disgusted at the small, the castle. As the person who frequently argues for Disneyland on

[00:21:01] the show, I would like to personally apologize for the size of our castle. We are all ashamed of it. Yeah. I think maybe that's the show image is the boys vomiting in front of the castle.

[00:21:14] Yes, please. Okay. I'm curious about, so Alex, you were talking about how the rides at Disneyland, if they were at Disney World, be better. Some people have very controversial opinion.

[00:21:30] I'm not one of them, that a resort with so much more space perhaps should have more of those rides, possibly more. What do you think? They should. A weird thing with the Tomorrowland Motor Speedway

[00:21:50] at Disney World and the Autopia at Disneyland. Autopia is like a lot bigger than Tomorrowland Motor Speedway is and they have much less space at Disneyland, but somehow they're able to pack

[00:22:07] a lot of rides into there. Like with Alice in Wonderland, rest of the name, I don't know. And then Toad's World ride, one's on top of the other in certain parts so they can really

[00:22:20] cramp things into small slates. That's my boy. And he knows the stuff. Yeah. That's right. And Alex also knows that the Autopia and the monorail and the people mover are all integral to the show building of the submarine voyage. Talk about maximizing space. Some people have said,

[00:22:39] again, I don't necessarily share this opinion. Some people have said that it's very ironic that Disneyland has so much more when it has so much more space. It's true. To that end, before I asked Paxton the final question, to that end, Daniel,

[00:22:59] we kept track the first day. Now granted, between Alex, Paxton, Dean and myself, we were in the parks for 16 hours. Now, we did have a break. We had a pool break at the Disneyland Hotel. Oh, your plane pool and hustling the rubes. Yeah, that was mostly Paxton.

[00:23:21] He just walked in, looked all innocent. Well, Jimmy, of course, is known for being a pool shark, especially with children. Serial gambler. That's true. Anyhow, so a swimming pool break with the monorail slides, which are wonderful by the way. It looks like you're getting into

[00:23:39] the monorail. It's not just a facade. So 16 hours in parks, give or take. We did 30 rides. 3-0 because of Lightning, because of Genie Plus. How many of them were Goofy's Sky School?

[00:23:55] That was not that day. We didn't do that till the next day. Nope, that was the second day. My point is, and we'll do the Lightning Lane episode later before they change at all,

[00:24:06] but worth the money. There's no way in God's green earth that you could do 30 rides at Disney World, even if you tried. I just couldn't see a world where you could do that.

[00:24:16] I would say it's required at California Adventure, to be honest. Yeah. As much as I hate saying that. Or rather, I don't so much hate saying that. I hate that that's true, but a person could reasonably, if they really, really, really, really knew what they were doing

[00:24:36] and didn't mind doing some rider lines, a person could conceivably do Disneyland without Lightning Lanes, but you would need to know all the tricks. Yeah, no doubt. So anyhow, final question, Paxton, which is better, Disneyland or Disney World? And why?

[00:24:54] I would definitely pick Disneyland. Well, probably 50% of the reason is because the castle is way smaller. Wait, I mean... It's less intimidating. I get it. Other way around, but... Okay. Yeah. Well, it feels all of the rides are way closer together,

[00:25:22] and there's only two parks, but it would be way better in Disney World if you're just walking in downtown Disney, you find the entrances to the parks and you're like, go to Magic Kingdom.

[00:25:33] When you exit Magic Kingdom, Hollywood Studios is right next to you, not a mile away. It would be way better if it was like that. Closer proximity, yeah. So before I answer your question, Dan, Dan's raising his hand.

[00:25:47] I remember because we conflate Disney World with Disneyland a lot because we've been recently more to Disney World than to Disneyland. And so we're... I'm doing all the Lightning Lanes, I'm doing all the touring planning as a concierge.

[00:26:03] And we were in fantasy land, let's say near Toy Storybookland, right? Listener, you can all picture this. And I was like, well, let's get a Lightning Lane for Thunder Mountain. And my wife is like, I don't want to go all the way over there.

[00:26:23] Like just... It's gonna be fine. Dan, you have a question? Yes, I have a question for the boys. Boys, do you think it would be better at Disneyland if they were to have a castle as large as Disney World?

[00:26:43] Yes, 100% it would be a lot better. Probably the best Disney park besides Tokyo Disney Sea. I agree. It's actually a trick question. It wouldn't fit. It wouldn't fit. It would be way too big. It would be bigger than that mountain. Bigger than the park.

[00:27:03] It would not fit. Anyway, all right. Yeah, well gosh. So that was our follow-up from the Hub Crawl. Thank you very much, children, for being a part of this episode before we move on. Any last comments, questions

[00:27:15] are concerned? What do you think of Fantasmic? Oh, that's right. Fantasmic and the other thing that... As it happens. Yeah. Alex, what did you think of Fantasmic? It's water Disney characters and sitting down. Yep.

[00:27:34] Yep. And you could probably say the opposite for World of Color, water, greens and standing up. Paxton, what did you think of Fantasmic? So Fantasmic was amazing, but it would have been way better if I could actually see anything. No, that was World of Color. You couldn't see.

[00:27:54] Oh, that was World of Color. Yeah, Fantasmic you were sitting for. Oh yeah, yeah, I was sitting for it. Right. It was cool. It was cool. I thought World of Color was better, but I can't really see it. You couldn't see it. Track of anything. Clearly.

[00:28:09] I feel like you both listened to the show and you're trying to let me down easy. Were either of you upset by Maleficent standing on top of a large pole instead of there being a dragon? Yes, very. We had not seen any version of the show beforehand.

[00:28:27] Would the show have been better if there were a giant dragon that accidentally caught itself on fire during the show? It would have been better. It would have been worth paying for that food package to see a giant dragon burn up in flames. Nice.

[00:28:42] Well, it got expensive, so they had to get rid of it. True. And then final final final, what did you think of Magic Happens Parade, Paxton? Magic Happens Parade. For any kids that are listening, the music was definitely fire. It was amazing. Yeah, I agree.

[00:29:00] It was really good. Alex, what did you think of the parade? The best part of the parade was before the parade happened when the Disneyland band came down the street and played music. Other than that, that you can just take a nap. It doesn't really matter.

[00:29:13] Did you also, after the parade, see David from Fresh Bake and stare at him weirdly like we did? No, I... That's my favorite part of the parade. Yeah, he looks a little bit like Eric with the hat. It's just the hat. Okay, everybody, thank you very much.

[00:29:29] Thank you, boys. Thanks for coming. Eric, I'm going to go upstairs and shut them down or do you want to just mute? Shut them down. All right. Well, thank you, boys, for coming. See you next time. Thank you. See you in the parks.

[00:29:41] Wait, before we go, before we go, I have one last note from Hubcrull. The last thing before we went from Dan and Eric, they said scubity toilet. So please do not say that again.

[00:29:59] I will never say scubity toilet again. I will put it in my notes to not say scubity toilet. Okay, thank you. In fact, I will even say to my... I'll make a note to myself. Do not say scubity toilet. No more scubity toilet. No more scubity toilet.

[00:30:12] We got some good feedback about scubity toilet. Think about scubity toilet. We're not going to say that anymore. Not on this show. All right, I'm eating. When we got that feedback, they said they didn't say to not say scubity toilet anymore. Did they say to say scubity toilet?

[00:30:24] They enjoyed scubity toilet. I'm sorry. We're not supposed to say that. Yeah, we should stop saying scubity toilet. Yeah. Okay. And he's gone. And now a word from our sponsors. Your attention, please. Hi, I'm the sponsor today. My name is Dan.

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[00:31:19] We can't work. Crinkle some more stuff in the mic. That's fair. Just a little mic check. Good job. I'm going to leave you to the offer, getting my hard candy ready. Which is a joke that you would be familiar with if you were listening to podcast.

[00:31:39] That's right. Bowie explaining. I listen to Bowie explaining sometimes. You listen to it while you're saying it. That's so meta. Two birds, one stone. All right. Yes. Time to get serious. Okay. Well, thank you for the boys for joining us as a follow up.

[00:32:00] Again, listener, if you wanted to hear that the... You already have the answers, but if you're curious about what it was like before we went to Disneyland, listen to the hub crawl. All right. Just a couple of final thoughts. We had a wonderful time at Disneyland.

[00:32:14] I spent a fair amount of time there. I spent some time with both Dan and Eric at the beginning of June. With my children and wife at the beginning of July, had a wonderful cross-country trip. One of the things that I learned after I left...

[00:32:30] Now we were staying at the Disneyland Hotel as I mentioned. In order to get to Disneyland, we had to walk through downtown Disney. There's that new entrance. Really nice, lovely, sort of 1960s looks like the same kind of signage as Tomorrowland does now at Disney World.

[00:32:47] I believe the term is mid-century modern. There you go. We walked by there and I pointed out to the family, hey look, there's a restaurant called Din Tai Fung that is going to open soon. I don't know when, but it's going to open. We should try it sometime.

[00:33:02] Every time that we walked by, it was already open. I had no idea. And we walked by for three consecutive days, multiple times a day. I did not realize it was open, didn't even think to look. So I did not go there.

[00:33:14] Yeah, because two days before you were there, I did try it. Yes. And so I'm curious because the official opening date was July 1st. That's when we first got there. We left on July 4th. Dan went on June 30th, I believe.

[00:33:27] So Dan, tell us about Din Tai Fung and your experience. More like Din Tai Yum. We have fun though. No, but yeah, we do. We have a fun podcast. It's good. I don't know what to say. I'm in a similar place with it. I mean, okay.

[00:33:46] This is not to imply that these two places are of a similar value, but this is like a similar phenomenon. I think that it'll ruin the song for you. So you remember what I was saying about how Tiana's culinary adventure is,

[00:34:12] you know, it's good, but there is so much hype around it that it's like it's just good. And it almost like you almost are disappointed if you approach it from that point of view of like, Tiana's gonna babybird me the food because it's magical.

[00:34:30] You know, like that kind of thing. Like a heightened scenario, but it's the same thing here. It's good. It's very good. What are they new in for? Soup dumplings. And it was my first time having soup dumplings and they didn't in general, yeah, in general.

[00:34:53] They didn't explode like I was worked. They would. I mean, it's good. I don't have anything to compare it to. I've never had soup dumplings, but in terms of like, did I put it in my mouth and did I think it was good? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:35:09] But I think what I'm trying to get at is it's, if you've never been to a din tai fang and you have heard, you know, people talk about, oh, din tai fang is coming. It's my favorite restaurant at South Coast Plaza. Like, okay, sure.

[00:35:23] I can get why it might be someone's favorite restaurant. But if you're looking at it from that point of view of like, I'm going to bite into the soup dumpling and like all of the mysteries of the universe will come out

[00:35:37] of it and it will be, you know, it will change my life in terms of what, you know, glorious flavors I've experienced. It's just good, you know, and that's fine. I don't expect it to be anything more than that,

[00:35:50] but I guess what I'm trying to say is neither should anybody else, you know. Good is good. My understanding, it's the first standalone din tai fang. Like it's telling me. From what I understand, yeah. Eric. Yeah, I know.

[00:36:05] I was just going along with Dan saying, hey, good food is good. Yeah. All right. Does anyone know? That's what you want at Downtown Disney. So speaking of Downtown Disney, just across the way from din tai fang,

[00:36:17] on the same side of the street, if you will, on the south side of the, anyway, there's a marketplace going in. Ralph. What is that? Sorry. I don't know why that's so funny to me. No, it took Ralph Brennan's out of it.

[00:36:32] It's just jazz kitchen and coastal grill. So on this side of the monorail, you know, on the Disneyland hotel side of the monorail, before you get to Lego store on that side, what is that? That is going to indeed be a marketplace.

[00:36:48] Eric, feel free to jump in by. I know what they could do about this. He's just food hauled. Go for it. Yeah, it's kind of, it is. It's kind of food hauled. I'm thinking of it as, and I don't mean this in a negative way,

[00:37:02] kind of like glorified food court where bottom- I've just put a food haul. Yeah. Right, right. Bottom level is supposed to be restaurants, grab and go restaurants where, you know, it's made fresh there, locally owned. I think that's the main thing. It's locally owned.

[00:37:19] And yeah, they're kind of pushing the diversity thing, which I mean, not that I'm anti that, I just, I feel like they can push it a little. Just what Disney doing its thing. It's fine. They can push it a little bit hard and unnecessarily is all I'm saying.

[00:37:38] Like sure, hire the people, get the people in that you're going to get in. It's great that you're going to do diversity, but I don't think they realize that there is a certain contingency. I'm not part of this, but there is a certain contingency that immediately sees that.

[00:37:51] And they're like, no, I'm going to eat more, you know, whatever. But that has nothing to do with it. It'll be fine. So they, yeah, it's locally owned businesses. And then I think the level above that is going to be like an open air lounge bar area.

[00:38:14] The thing that I think makes that whole thing come together though is the stage that they built and the little fake grassy area, which I don't care for live music, but I really like that they have that there. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:38:29] There's when we walked by, there were, you know, interactive stuff and trying to get people engaged in dancing and that kind of thing. When I think marketplace like that, I kind of picture at the boardwalk at Disney World, the marketplace at the, at the boardwalk villas.

[00:38:45] So it feels like a shop. So if you're staying there, you can go and get your sundries and your microwave meals and that sort of thing. That's what it felt like to me from the signage. I don't know that that's a part of it because the hotel,

[00:38:59] hotels kind of already have that to an extent. You might, people might not know that they do, but they do. I think honestly, it's like, if I'm putting my cynical hat on, I think at some point someone had a meeting where they said like,

[00:39:15] hey, Anaheim packing house is getting kind of popular. Let's do something that's kind of Anaheim packing house-ish. Okay. I think that's fair. Yeah. It really is. I mean, a food court isn't, isn't a derogatory term here.

[00:39:32] Like it's just a bunch of places where you can get different food quickly. I think this is kind of the resurgence of, of this, this thing that's happening around the country. I mean, I've got a, I've got a market like that near my house down the hill where

[00:39:49] yeah, it's, it's a few different places. It's a taco place. It's a pizza place. It's a bunch of quick stuff that you can just pop in. You can get whatever you want. You can hang out for a little while if you really want to,

[00:40:02] or you could just pop in, grab some food and go. I think that's what we're going for here. In Atlanta, we have Punt City Market. I think name your city. You probably have something like that. Yeah. A chef who has a menu.

[00:40:13] It's like a food truck, like a permanent food truck almost. Yeah. And they did the food truck thing for a little while in the same spot. So. All right. Well, let's move on. So today's episode is about the front of the shooting gallery.

[00:40:27] So specifically Frontierland Shooting Arcade at Disneyland and the same at Disney World also in Frontierland if I'm not mistaken. Now, we learned recently that the Frontierland Shooting Gallery, and Eric, am I pronouncing that correct? No. You pronounce the G. It's shooting. Is it an arcade or gallery? Gallery.

[00:40:54] It has had multiple names, but yeah, right now it's gallery. And that is going away and it is going to become a DVC lounge. So in the interest of time while we have a chance, we're going to discuss which is better between the two, perhaps.

[00:41:09] We're not going to do any points. We're just going to talk about shooting galleries and their origins and that sort of thing. The one at Disneyland, of course, came first. So Dan is going to regale us with the Frontierland Shooting Gallery at Disneyland. Dan?

[00:41:23] Oh, there's so much more. Oh, tell me. Oh, tell me. So Disneyland has had several shooting galleries. Oh yeah. Contrary to popular belief, Fantasyland never had a shooting gallery, but it could have. And yeah, we have a shirt. Shirts for sale. Yep.

[00:41:47] So yes, Disneyland started out with the Safari Shooting Gallery. The reason why there's the G that you pronounce is because it was on Main Street and people were proper. And that was inside the Penny Arcade.

[00:42:02] So just for reference, we're now talking about this is where the Gibson Girl ice cream parlor was. And guests would aim at both stationary and moving targets. And they had bullets. They had little pellets, little actual pellets in which with which with you could shoot things.

[00:42:24] And they decided that that was potentially dangerous eventually. So then it became the Main Street Shooting Gallery. And, you know, it's popular just like, you know, kids like to shoot things. So do adults. And then we also added a little something called the Big Game Safari.

[00:42:51] And that was in there's no problem with the NG because that isn't in the word. Also, it was an Adventureland. So it's a real toss up whether it would be a shoot 10 gallery or a shooting gallery.

[00:43:03] So, yes, that was also things, actual things that you could shoot with actual bullets. They were led if I'm not mistaken. I will take your word for it. Eric, do you have any thoughts while I remind myself how prepared I am?

[00:43:28] Sure, I can I can have more thoughts. Thank you. Do you enjoy shooting or do you prefer shooting or shooting like as in the action, not the word? I think I prefer shooting. I agree. And the current name at Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom is actually the Frontierland

[00:43:49] Shooting Exposition, which I think is pretty fabulous. Now, do either of you have examples of some of the targets? Oh, plenty of target examples. But we'll get there eventually. Okay. For now, they were led pellets and I believe that on a nightly basis,

[00:44:09] they had to go and repaint the targets on account of the led pellets hitting the painted targets. Yeah, that was part of the expenses is that all of these attractions had to be repainted every night so that they didn't look shabby the next day

[00:44:24] after people were firing junk. At little tin targets. Now it's all infrared. And what point did it change? I was going to ask, do you have an idea of when that changed? It was in the 80s, the early 80s for Walt Disney World.

[00:44:43] I don't know the exact year from what I'm getting from Burn Bomb Guides is in 1983 it was still pellets. Wow. The a few years later 1987 they're making a big deal about it being infrared at that point.

[00:45:06] I also want to add, I'm looking at a picture of the big game shoot targets that you could shoot at. That was in the Adventureland Bazaar or where it is now. I just want to assure everybody and I know how this sounds but think it through.

[00:45:23] While it is very tropical and jungly, all of the targets are animals or... Oh you're not shooting at folks? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You see where I'm going with that. I'm happy to report. All of the... Okay. I don't know how I want to say this.

[00:45:44] The targets are not... In terms of just shooting at a rare game, yeah, ethically that is inappropriate. However, we know the time period, we know the mindset there is another layer of inappropriateness that they could have added to it which they did not.

[00:46:05] So Teddy Roosevelt wasn't there going, bully on you. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Teddy Roosevelt was not there and I believe that Mark Davis famously wanted to add a... So I'm looking at the Disney World app. It says Frontierland Shoot and Arcade closed.

[00:46:26] I didn't actually know where it was. All of my hundreds of times going there, I had to look it up. Oh wait, I'm looking at... Oh gosh, I'm looking at Disneyland as the Frontierland Shoot and Exposition. I don't think I know where it was either.

[00:46:42] I mean, not that I've been to Disney World a while but I've been there enough. Yeah, but I've been there enough that I should probably have known. It's past the Diamond Horseshoe. Yeah, it's past the Diamond Horseshoe and that's part of it.

[00:46:54] So if you remember from our Frontierland episode which I tragically lost after three hours of me trying to justify it... That was your first episode with Mayan. No, Natalie and May. No, first. That was not our first. First was Main Streets? Main Streets.

[00:47:22] No, was that our second with them? We missed those. Main Streets? We got to get them back. We got to get to Hollywood Lands. Anyway, it's been too long. It's been too long anyway. We promised we won't have it over this time. There we go.

[00:47:31] Can't make that promise. He'll try. But yeah, Walt Disney World, the shoot and gallery is between Diamond Horseshoe and Country Bear Jamboree. So if you remember, the way the Magic Kingdom is set up with Frontierland, as you enter from Liberty Square, the timeline goes further back in time.

[00:48:06] So you start out with the Diamond Horseshoe which is in the late 1800s and then you proceed backward as you go through the area. So yeah, and the buildings are more rustic the further you go.

[00:48:22] So when you get to the Frontierland shoot and gallery, it's logs, it's planks, it's and that continues through the rest of the area. It's not as fancy as that Diamond Horseshoe. Until you get all the way back in the Frontier to the Bayou. Right. Right.

[00:48:45] Because that's how history and geography. Yes, that's how it goes. I don't know. Anyway, let's justify that one later. All right, so back to Dan. So basically what it comes down to in terms of history is you had a shooting gallery on Main Street.

[00:49:04] You had another shooting gallery or shooting, we're not sure, we're not sure on the Inventureland and another one in Frontierland. Eventually, we're all open at the same time. Yeah, so much shooting. You could spend your whole day shooting if you wanted to. Or shooting.

[00:49:24] Or shooting depending on where you were. And just so we're clear. So you're on Main Street, you're shooting. Yes, it's just so we're clear in Frontierland you were shooting. So what I'm finding most interesting here as I review the research that I have done

[00:49:40] way in advance is there is merchandise. There's the Disneyland Big Game Safari TrueView Picture Gun. Wow. So you could buy it and you could go and you could look through the little viewfinder

[00:50:00] and you would see pictures of animals that you could shoot and you would shoot at them. Like you were trying to relive your trauma in some kind of war against animals or something. Describe this for me. So it's a little fake gun you could buy?

[00:50:17] Right, so a gun, first of all, you hold it and there's a little thing. And there's a viewfinder in it? There's a trigger. The trigger will make the gun fire. But the viewfinder is like a real gun.

[00:50:29] The viewfinder is like on the holster or is it the end of the barrel? No, no, it's on the holster. So like you're looking into a viewmaster. Down the barrel which is the viewmaster. Right, it's not viewmaster, it's TrueView. Surely there's no edging around copyright with those woods.

[00:50:49] So just real quick, just for tangentially. Frontierland we'll talk about the targets. Eventually you're shooting at animals, Main Street you're shooting at homeless people? I mean it could be. I don't know about that for sure but we don't know, we weren't there.

[00:51:11] You should have got the town drunks and the people who just moved in. Go back to Kansas City. The question is, is that homeless man from Fort Collins or from Marceline, Missouri? Still up for debate. Yep, you're shooting at those early suffragettes.

[00:51:34] Just to scare them, not to actually shoot them. Anyway, right, you could also purchase a coloring book. Coloring book. Yeah because if you really enjoy shooting things and you enjoyed it so much that you spent your entire day shooting or shooting things during your trip to Disneyland,

[00:51:58] you could then buy a coloring book. I'm going to just subscribe what I see on these pages of the coloring book. One page has a jungle scene with a very large tiki totem and some trees, jungle stuff.

[00:52:14] A tiki hut, some flowers, more trees, a little pond with lily pods, a friendly little lion. He does look very friendly. How little is he though? He's at least lion size. But in a book, so it's not like full lion.

[00:52:34] Did they do some crossover and do Lambert the sheepish lion? They should have shoot that guy to head for being so sheepish. And then there's a happy little crocodile. All these are to scale. There's an elephant shoving his or her head out from the bushes to say hello.

[00:52:53] So you could color that and then on the other page opposite, what would you imagine you color? Eric, you go first. A tornado. The gun. A gun is a good guess. What about the gun? What's happening to the gun?

[00:53:13] What you can color on the opposite facing page is a child with a very stern look on his face holding up a shotgun ready to shoot all them animals. Oh, now can you paint the bloods coming out of the animals? You sure can. Blood optional.

[00:53:36] The kid you can barely see his face. And of course, it's his. And of course his shirt is tucked in and he has very 1950s hair. He is... You can only see a few of his features but what few you can see,

[00:53:56] he is angry and determined to shoot them animals or possibly whoever comes out of the hut. All right. So just the three then, the main street, the adventure land and the frontier land. So talk to us about the frontier land shooting gallery. Is this an opening day attraction?

[00:54:14] The one that remains. Yes, question mark Eric. I'm talking about a different frontier land. Okay. Sorry, I can't bail you out on this one. That's fine. I don't think it was opening day. I don't think it was either as I'm frantically... Because main street was opening day.

[00:54:37] Reviewing my notes. Main street was opening day, adventure land I believe opened in response to the popularity of it and then I feel like I haven't shared this philosophy but I feel like if there is any ruling force in the universe it is irony.

[00:54:56] I actually kind of believe that. Oh look dates. July 1955. Anyway, as I was what I was getting to is if irony does indeed rule the universe then that would mean that frontier land was the last to open when they were like you know where we should put one.

[00:55:16] You know the place with guns. Right. You know what the frontier is known for? Yeah famously that's where all the guns died. Right. 1955-1962 main street, 1962-1982 adventure land I think I vaguely remember adventure land. 82 adventure land. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah that's weird. And then the frontier...

[00:55:43] Was that in the... Sorry was that in the area where the Indiana Jones faulty pinball machine is now? Loosely. Yes. Yes you're in the right place there. Okay. And that that restaurant was just kind of like slinging hot dogs so they didn't really need a

[00:56:06] whole lot of seating area there. Let's see. Frontier land shooting gallery at Disneyland opening day July 17th, 1955. I see you found my... See you have opened my notes thank you. That's right. Magic Kingdom opening day October 1, 1971. Yeah. Tokyo Disney opening 1983. Disneyland Paris still has one.

[00:56:33] 1957 the present is what I have here. Frontier land? Doesn't matter. Shooting. Jimmy you're the Frenchman. How do you say shooting arcade in French? Le shooting. So it's an NG which is... Well yeah like they have shampooing is French for shampoo is shampooing. Shopping in French? Le shopping.

[00:56:59] It's true. So American vintage shopping. Sounds like the entire country watched Pulp Fiction. The Frontierland shooting gallery was actually the shooting exposition which is what it is currently called. It opened in 1957. Eventually they traded out for...

[00:57:26] They traded the pellets out for infrared and that was partially because it was damaging the scenery. Also because you know probably dangerous. And at that point they made it so that when you shoot the thing instead of it just going like

[00:57:43] you shoot me it would like make things happen which still does to this day. There's a little thing where and this one I'm just going out the door. So you're saying in the 50s like a guy would just go you shoot me?

[00:57:55] Well you could hear it go ping. Sorry mispronunciation. So it was it was it was rewarding in that sense or it's just like you go ping and then hopefully it didn't you know hit your eye. And in this case with the infrared you don't get that ping sound.

[00:58:13] You get something happened and this is this is sort of the case with a lot of modern shooting shooting or shooting galleries where you know let's say there it's in like a bar scene

[00:58:25] and the bartender weirdly has a target on him and you're like sure and then you shoot the bartender and he goes wee spins around or like the drink in his hand spins around

[00:58:39] and no one really takes into consideration that you just shot the bartender but hey you know. That's what he's there for. That's I mean he knows he knows what he got into. Disneyland Paris wrestler roundup shooting gallery still open.

[00:58:56] Think you've got the quickest draw in town from prickly cacti to peg leg peat. There are plenty of targets to test your eye. Any height? Descriptive. To begin with testing your eye I have a post from a person on mice chat here's what they have to say.

[00:59:20] It would be nice if there was I was thinking about doing a certain voice or accent here but I figure I'll just make them sound you know reasonable. It would be nice if there was still a shooting gallery that used BBs.

[00:59:33] This is in 2006 especially since now there are lead free solid copper BBs so it was the lead that's the problem of course the legal types the legal types would never allow such a thing actually I'm amazed the frontier land shooting exposition

[00:59:56] has survived the PCing of Disneyland I don't think they're referring to a computer. I mean seriously what harm was it personal computers of Disneyland. Well I mean HP did font sponsor a lot of things there for some time.

[01:00:10] I mean seriously what harm was it to sell replica wooden flintlock pistols and rifles at pioneer mercantile now they are once again selling a flintlock replica tied in with pirate to the Caribbean but it's completely fluorescent green and orange I can't store with that unrealistic

[01:00:33] looking fake pistols just so we're on the same page this was written before the word woke was a thing is anyone here old enough to remember the traveling grocery store carnivals what is this

[01:00:46] this person write this from like 1846 the ones that could have come into town on Thursday and open for the weekend they would have a couple cheesy rides on the midway the midway would always

[01:00:58] have the game where you had a pneumatic fully automatic submachine gun and you had to shoot out the red star to win a prize that this person their their general feedback is more

[01:01:12] danger is what they're also had public hangs bring those back I mean hey no comment about the future of our country um hey Dan yes what what what so the current the current

[01:01:29] exposition what type of rifles do you have there does it do you have you found like what what their patterned after Erica of course I have uh do you need some time to look that up

[01:01:43] because I could talk to yes yes please while Dan is remembering things at Walt Disney World the as Jimmy mentioned the the shooting gallery was open from day one for the name changed multiple times throughout the years it was at different points called

[01:02:09] the big thunder shooting gallery it was the in 1990 it changed to the frontier land shooting arcade which I'm sorry Jimmy you're correct it remains the shooting arcade in Walt Disney World

[01:02:24] to this day and hopefully when it becomes a DVC lounge it will be the the frontier land shooting DVC lounge yeah oh guns in the lounge that'd be fun they will inevitably have some kind of a

[01:02:42] homage to it no doubt right right it's weird to think of a of a DVC lounge right there because there's there's a well I guess there's a DVC selling spot right next to it

[01:02:55] at at the present moment um but yeah what you know it's the first time I'm thinking of this Eric like having a DVC lounge in frontier land like is there going to be a sign

[01:03:07] like because I really like um I really like the one in tomorrow land in disneyland it's it's called the what is it that something starlight lounge or something like that right right and it's a place

[01:03:19] you have to if you don't know where it is you know it's not like you just stumble on it you know yeah and the same with the the uh the one at imagination you can have to know where you're

[01:03:29] going whereas this you're just gonna walk right by it like is there going to be a sign that's maybe it's going to be called something saloon or whatever just to theme it up I hope

[01:03:37] yeah I would hope so but yeah I really don't know what the concept is here um yeah it's kind of kind of an odd thing to think about just another another lounge I guess there are plenty of us DVCers I suppose I can't complain too much uh because

[01:03:58] Jimmy and I both have DVC um I'm a member of Ralph's club so you know I'm I still have something there you go are you are you are you talking about the McClash and enterprises guns well

[01:04:17] well I was going to talk about McClash and which was the company that made all of the shooting galleries uh at Disneyland Walt Disney World and Tokyo basically Disney took this stock

[01:04:32] shooting gallery and and modified it to make it a little more Disney but not too much more from what it seems like but yeah McClash and has made quite a few different shooting galleries at

[01:04:47] different um different theme parks around the world they're kind of the name or at least they were the name I don't know if they're still doing stuff now but yes uh when it comes to the the

[01:05:00] weaponry that they made uh Walt Disney World the um the rifles are patterned after a Hawkins 54 caliber Buffalo gun the Hawkins rifle was a staple in the uh in the mid 1800s

[01:05:27] it was eventually replaced by more efficient guns in the Civil War uh where they they had a they were easier to load because these were these were muzzle loaded rifles uh let's see it was known

[01:05:41] as them I'm just going to talk about guns yeah go for it this was known as the Rocky Mountain rifle it was light and weight for travel but it was also powerful enough to take out uh large

[01:05:54] animals like Buffalo at a distance uh these were handmade one at a time and thus they were they were not really uh they weren't completely standard so you could get a larger a larger

[01:06:12] caliber if you wanted so uh uh western heroes like Kit Carson and Teddy Roosevelt could have could have different different guns made for their purposes uh Teddy Roosevelt apparently had the largest one ever made which was a 70 caliber and they sold for about 25 dollars a piece

[01:06:33] that's a large bullet that is a large bullet yes the last Hawkins rifle was made in 1884 keep going keep talking my guns just just America all right um but yes uh like I mentioned earlier we're kind of in the middle of the time travel portion of Frontierland

[01:06:55] so uh this shooting gallery could be uh is generally going to be uh in the mid 1800s the country bear jamboree is dated as 18 keep going and this is next door so it's a little older um you talking about guns

[01:07:21] I don't have a lot more to talk about with guns all right the original the original iteration with its lead pellets was 25 cents for 12 shots that lasted until like I said the the mid 1980s where it was replaced by the infrared guns where it was 25 cents for 15 shots

[01:07:42] and you were shooting at 97 targets so they like to say uh almost 100 targets I don't know why they're nearly out any more yeah yeah so um and now currently it's free just like our country Eric is that right my understanding is currently the Disney world

[01:08:03] version is free um well in the sense no it's no longer there it's a dollar it's a dollar yeah it's a dollar at Disneyland I can speak to this from recent experiences 50 cents

[01:08:16] 50 cents yeah I don't know how many rounds you get for 50 cents but um 10 or 12 I think 10 or 12 what a ripoff I'm not I didn't count I mean it just feels like that I've done it enough

[01:08:30] that because you know I like shooting uh if there's any if there's anything people know about me it's how much I love shooting in America and indeed um no I actually do enjoy uh I do enjoy

[01:08:46] shooting in real and fake guns in a proper way and not at people um but I think that um it does feel like around 10 or 12 I'm not that's just if I were to make a guess I would be

[01:09:00] I would feel pretty good about saying less than 15 but more than okay eight well uh let me let me end the um the way back machine here by saying that there was also a shooting

[01:09:14] gallery at the contemporary resort in the fiesta funds center which was the arcade that they had for for very many years where was that it is on the ground level it's where the the restaurant

[01:09:29] um uh steakhouse uh 71 is right now really that was an arcade yeah that was an arcade it was replaced by the wave in the 90s yeah I remember that um but yeah it was a huge it was a huge well

[01:09:44] it when the contemporary first opened it was one of their conference centers and then they put in this very large arcade that was just fantastic lots of lots of fun games uh foosball air hockey pinball arcade games and then this big shooting gallery that they had purchased from

[01:10:07] mcglashan enterprises it was barely like they didn't they didn't do anything to it they the one in the contemporary was just purchased so there was an old west section there was a medieval section there were pirates mixed throughout so currently the uh the the

[01:10:28] disneyland is 50 cents for three minutes so you're right then it's three minutes to do 12 could be well I you know I I am very careful with my marksman skills so that makes sense and there's

[01:10:41] a chain of machine right next to the game that takes ones and fives uh yeah it seems like in terms of like the history of the galleries at disneyland seems like it started out as

[01:10:52] a cheap and easy uh way to have an attraction like I don't know shooting gallery you know and then they ended up for a little space yeah and then it ended up with like well yeah of course

[01:11:05] frontier land should have a shooting gallery you know it does make sense yeah and it you know it also makes sense to have a dvc lounge I suppose it does it a place to get free pop

[01:11:17] so if just for the listener um so I'm just thinking like disneyland shooting gallery shooting exposition there's no there's no room for anything else like you could make a shop there it's about

[01:11:29] as deep as the shop next to it the pin trader that's there yeah um but you really couldn't do much with it it fits with the theme that there's no reason to get rid of it at disney world

[01:11:39] it's the backside of the building that is there's really nothing going on in it it's the backside of the building is an adventure land yeah kind of adjacent to um the the Aladdin magic carpets

[01:11:54] so there's really nothing going on in there dana if you remember um playing the pirate adventure game I do where you go around it's in it's kind of in it in the frontier or in venture lands

[01:12:05] version of the bazaar there's really nothing going on in there it's kind of right right okay selling sunglasses and yeah and there's a couple like urns and different artifacts and that

[01:12:15] kind of thing but there's really nothing going on so I suppose you have room for a dvc lounge and but it just it just doesn't make sense also going back to what we were talking about with the boys

[01:12:26] don't they also have room to just build a dvc lounge like you know make it up why does it have to be structure right why does it have to be like a zero sun game it could just be

[01:12:39] like and this too you know yeah because again really you're not saving anything except for a building frame right you know because they're gonna gut it and do something anyway oh it's

[01:12:53] an interesting choice but because we won't have the two to compare um I don't know so anyway let's talk about targets please my favorite one is uh there's a couple around here there's one in

[01:13:07] mission valley um and I tried to get a prescription filled there because I thought thank god they actually have what I'm looking for at the shooting gallery oh at target sorry you said let's talk about

[01:13:19] targets oh okay uh I got nothing ah anyway the pharmacy closed and when I thought that I was able to get my medication that day uh it turns out I had to wait for the next was it was it eye drops

[01:13:40] no it was the medication that I have difficulty finding from time to time oh that one yes yeah I'm sorry that's still on backorder across the nation it's fine uh I'm trying who is those

[01:13:55] trying because I'm trying to say I'm not svelte so yes I just I just searched for it and I just this is what I don't love about the Disney moms and all that kind of stuff this planned Disney site

[01:14:09] I just googled how much it would cost a Disney world the Disneyland is three minutes for 50 cents the question was how much does it cost to play Frontierland arcade question mark welcome back to the Disney parks mom's panel gloria I'm happy to see that you've been busy

[01:14:25] planning your next visit to the Walt Disney world resort you're in for a routine good time when you're in Frontierland area at the magic kingdom park the Frontierland shooting arcade is a great place

[01:14:39] to pass the time with family and friends it looks like one round about 35 shots will cost you $1 remember that these prices are subject to change without notice it's pretty good value when you when you have at least 100 different animated targets after you're done in the arcade you

[01:14:58] can take a short walk to aloha isle and adventure land and treat yourself with dolby it's the yummiest kind of reward just answer the question and then they go on to say gloria did you know that you can use your mobile order option to my

[01:15:15] Disney experience app to place your order I thought I was gonna say gloria do you know you can use your 1200 on seven to five points to use so nearly 100 animated targets there go ahead and talk about those targets uh skeleton jumps out of its grave an or cart

[01:15:37] rolls out of a mine hotel lights turn on showgirls dance got that one in the hotel yep birds pop out of nests prairie dogs pop out of holes yep tombstones shake around mm-hmm vultures flap

[01:15:54] their wings they sure do got that one java now and now the goes whoo-hoo yep yep okay sure we have a bridge that steps on itself for you when you shoot the target I don't recall a bridge but

[01:16:07] probably okay do you have a target in the sky that will summon a ghostly uh presence oh you bet we do ghost riders in the sky right that's the reference do you have a train that you

[01:16:21] can shoot at uh-huh okay uh well you want to read some tombstones always do you have two months for me to read I do rest in peace Henry Baker he has gone to meet his maker

[01:16:39] nice they love to dance he drank his fill he lives no more he dances still that's that's fun yeah it's like a rest in peace kind of thing by the way any kids listening to this

[01:16:52] if if you are ever assigned group work and you think to yourself I can just show up and kind of like I can wing it and nobody in the class will figure it out and the teacher certainly won't

[01:17:05] I want you to remember this episode okay let's just remember remember remember this moment we've been talking about this for three weeks it's true it's okay so and I went there Dan and I

[01:17:19] I went up to the shooting gallery knowing we were going to talk about it did I break my dollar bill to get 50 cents nope sure didn't yeah but anyway it seems like so far

[01:17:30] before we can continue but it seems like the Disney World one is a dollar you get around 35 shots Disneyland is 50 cents and if you've got three minutes let's say it's about 30 35 shots it's a you know yeah if you're shot over a few seconds real fast with it sure

[01:17:46] I'm not gonna lie so 30 so shots for a dollar isn't bad especially no it's not bad or if you're if you take pride in your marksman skills like I do you can really take time with that

[01:17:58] and the Disney mom said about 35 so it's possible it's also three minutes I don't know but it's weird that it would be a dollar at Disney World and 50 cents at Disneyland why do

[01:18:07] you think that is convenience probably I don't know you know what I mean though like why I think I was gonna say I think it's because the Disney World can get a dollar for it but then they're

[01:18:21] closing it so clearly not yeah right you know um I mean the last time I tried to the last time I was in the parks I tried to do the shooting arcade and it was full for I it was full I went

[01:18:38] and I got some ice cream I went back it was still use your mobile ordering device on my Disney experience to mobile order your tree person and I handed them three dollars speaking of

[01:18:52] bargains which I think you know maybe it's a bargain I really don't get to think of speaking of glory just at the chicken palace or the poultry palace in Pixar pier uh-huh I don't know why

[01:19:08] it's poultry palace I don't know what that's from probably toy story or something I would imagine um they had a chimichanga did you try the chimichanga I did and it was seven dollars

[01:19:21] okay I have to tell you let's we're doing a version of our own show except it's across the esplanade chimichanga versus chimichanga yeah um it tasted like Tommy's chili it was seven dollars and it was a beast like we're talking footlong chimichanga

[01:19:43] it was so good and it came with salsa and seven dollars like I was surprised this based on how much everything costs seven dollars for a full meal size to each angle was a bargain and it tasted like Tommy's chili I think we should explain though for the

[01:19:58] listener just in case anyone's listening to this and they're like I don't know what Tommy's chili is but that sounds really good that must be the best chili in the world I should go get that

[01:20:08] immediately because I will get really really good well crafted chili according to my favorite podcast friends I'm gonna tell you yeah I don't know that I would think that yeah well they were right

[01:20:21] nope I love it I love Tommy's chili but if you don't know what you're getting into just just be ready that's all I'm saying try it but be aware the original Tommy's by the way

[01:20:36] it's called the original Tommy's it's only available in California at this point I think versus the one at the at the Edelweiss Snacks damn I was significantly more sober this time around

[01:20:50] I would imagine yeah so I would I would have to say this one was better just because I don't remember the other one the other one was bad like like for drunk food it was fine but I'm telling you

[01:21:00] it's it's objectively bad yeah anyway back to the arcade so that's why I would say and now back to the show the sponsor Tommy's original chili how about more time last drink was his demand diet or reaching red-eyed Dan

[01:21:21] is that you but Jimmy's got the red eye I do oh my god it hurts so bad I'm doing my best to stay in with this um all right well our kid is better

[01:21:34] well I think the one that still exists when this episode comes out is probably better it's a better deal I'm assuming that you get about 30 shots I think at each is 50 cents instead of a dollar it's open instead of closed and it's original to Walt

[01:21:52] Disney Walt Disney touched it not that that counts do you think he peed there he probably peed on it most likely in fact in fact what it used to be was Walt Disney's urine that you would shoot out of the guns like a water pistol

[01:22:09] I also want to add Disney World fans if you go to Disneyland and you shoot the uh the the shooting gallery guns the sounds they make are very similar to the sounds that the cannons make in front in Adventureland at Disney World oh you know yeah

[01:22:31] that's right about his life anyway do you have anything else on Frontierland shooting exposition Dan huh I thought Eric was just carrying the show at this point um I have I don't Eric do you

[01:22:46] Eric do you have anything else for Dan signage outside the shooting arcade is uh there's PA Mosey's School of Sharp Shooting teaching students the of the highest caliber since 1860 caliber I see

[01:23:01] oh you got it and then there's also an ad for the Diamond Horseshoe Review which is sad because right now the Diamond Horseshoe Review is just a player piano oh you can get food there no you can

[01:23:16] get food yeah it's food and a player piano yeah that's right I got a question conceptual question for it for us is the Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger spend a shooting gallery so that's what I wanted to

[01:23:31] bring up actually Dan are they just the spiritual successors your your Buzz Lightyears and your Toy Story manias and your web slingers is that all it is huh but you're moving and sure

[01:23:46] but but I guess the point is we'd mentioned that um arguably per Tony Baxter that the Indiana Jones adventure is a spiritual successor to Star Tours and it's sort of a motion simulator

[01:23:58] but you're actually moving right is not the same true for Buzz Lightyear which is a it's a shooting gallery at targets but you're moving I mean it's not a thing right I mean I'm not trying to be

[01:24:13] calling yeah but yeah I feel like it's the same thing and then a successor to that is the web slingers where you're you know slinging your arms getting robots robot spiders it's the

[01:24:25] same basic idea it's a shooting gallery that you move around in right hmm again it's not not that yeah right but I wonder if that's the intent maybe I don't know how much intent is there I think that

[01:24:41] it's more just like a happy coincidence you know perhaps I guess what I'm trying to say is it's not that like I don't think that they had that meaning where they're like right we got a like

[01:24:52] let's really up this shooting gallery thing I think it was more along the lines of hey I have this idea for our ride where you shoot at stuff and then somewhere along the lines they were like hey this

[01:25:02] is kind of like a shooting gallery right now like uh you know yeah I don't know you're saying that America loves shooting things sure do I'm not saying that America's saying it all right well

[01:25:16] Eric anything else from you no I'll get the music right it seems that the Disneyland Frontierland shooting exposition is the clear winner and that it's open and it's 50 cents it's cheaper uh animated things seems like the actual experience is roughly the same

[01:25:38] in that you have similar targets they move and uh you can get it for 50 cents there's a change machine right there that takes ones and fives make sure to bring out those ones and fives until next time um all right well thank you guys for the

[01:25:58] the deep dive on the Frontierland and other shooting galleries expositions and arcades listener that's it that's that's what you got and uh you can still do the one at Disneyland we're not sure about Disney World it is currently closed and right now it is 4 44 pm on a

[01:26:15] Sunday so is it closed forever I don't know I I keep forgetting to say I thought I heard that it was free at Disney World at some point I did too but evidently not huh evidently not yeah I don't

[01:26:29] have some more of Coralus's lies come at us Coralus yeah anyway all right well a thank you for listening thank you to Alex and Paxton for joining us for the follow-up from the hub crawl

[01:26:42] listen to the hub crawl yep I'm sure the next episode will be talking about shooting galleries and uh yeah is that anything else guys uh you talking about yours up oh yeah that's right there's

[01:26:56] ears up there's concierge too we had a great we haven't talked about have we talked about concierge retreat oh we were on the episode we had that live recording yep yeah they're great concierge

[01:27:05] is great um and uh yeah ears up is a show and eric's on that yeah scraping the vault the puny pods show about marvel and I'm sure they're talking about the acolyte there on uh the starler show

[01:27:23] banthamilk and scraping the vault we're about to finish our animated uh straight to video sequels and we're gonna move on to live action remakes yeah because we're talking about the crossover right and then there's a crossover episode where we're gonna talk with figures up eric will be there

[01:27:41] we're gonna talk about earnest goes to splash mountain so stay tuned for that you're gonna do all the all the live action remakes live action remakes and we'll be the only show on the network

[01:27:51] that does that yep I'm I'm looking forward to uh everyone finding out that we will in fact be the only show doing that that's right uh until next time ladies and gentlemen thank you for listening

[01:28:06] be good to each other uh Disneyland shooting exposition is the supreme shooting exposition on account of it being the only one open and until next time hello hello quarters adjourned hello and goodbye I really want to watch us on the fresh baked which episode was that

[01:28:52] uh I can all send it to you send it to us it'd be kind of fun what my grammar league is off what if I say things wrong yeah sorry guys I'm very distracted by this shooting pain in my eye

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