The Case of the D23's Land v World

[00:00:15] Welcome to the Supreme Resort Land v World, a podcast about Disneyland and Walt Disney World and which is the Supreme Resort.

[00:00:26] Each episode we will discuss and explore each resort ride by line, ride by, no, ride by ride.

[00:00:33] Rides have lines.

[00:00:34] There are lines, yeah. Rides have lines.

[00:00:36] Land by land, park by park, announcement by announcement to determine which is better.

[00:00:42] Sure. That's right, folks. We want to think about the things that aren't a thing yet.

[00:00:47] I'm your host, Jimmy, and thank you for joining me on this quest.

[00:00:52] Just reading the teleprompter, everybody.

[00:00:54] Thank you for joining me on this quest to help the greater good of humanity answer this long elusive question,

[00:00:59] which is better Disneyland or Walt Disney World?

[00:01:01] I am Eric, as the teleprompter doesn't say.

[00:01:06] Jimmy, are you Jimmy?

[00:01:08] I am. I'm glad to be here. Thank you, Eric.

[00:01:11] Eric, go F yourself San Diego.

[00:01:14] Wow.

[00:01:16] Dan, what do you think about San Diego?

[00:01:20] I think it's a remarkably rich tapestry of so many different neighborhoods that are in no way segregated because they exist.

[00:01:34] Hear, hear.

[00:01:35] Yeah.

[00:01:36] Fantastic.

[00:01:37] Mine was a little bit of a nod to Ron Burgundy.

[00:01:41] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:01:42] The teleprompter.

[00:01:43] Nice.

[00:01:44] Teleprompter thing.

[00:01:45] And then I went and made it political.

[00:01:46] And Dan was just delivering the truth.

[00:01:49] Yeah.

[00:01:49] Well, no, no.

[00:01:50] Hashtag the truth.

[00:01:52] Because diversity equals a bunch of separate neighborhoods.

[00:01:57] That's true.

[00:01:58] They are diverse by nature.

[00:01:58] I think our, I think the, hold on.

[00:02:02] There are dogs.

[00:02:03] Nope.

[00:02:03] Diverse dogs.

[00:02:05] I might need to go check the door.

[00:02:07] I, this keeps happening.

[00:02:09] Sorry.

[00:02:10] Show's over.

[00:02:12] Hi, Eric.

[00:02:14] Hey, Jimmy.

[00:02:15] What's going on?

[00:02:17] Hey.

[00:02:17] Did you go to D23?

[00:02:20] Do I want to?

[00:02:21] Did you?

[00:02:22] I did not go to D23, although I didn't, also didn't watch it.

[00:02:26] But I watched the next day and I was very excited about all the many things to see and will see in years to come.

[00:02:37] And I'm excited to talk about it.

[00:02:39] Oh.

[00:02:40] And get you guys.

[00:02:41] We have not spoken about D23 in general.

[00:02:45] Our opinions on who does what's what and what's where.

[00:02:48] Now, Dan is back so you can continue.

[00:02:50] Nice.

[00:02:51] Have either of you ever considered going to D23?

[00:02:55] D23.

[00:02:56] Yes.

[00:02:57] I plan on doing D23 sometime like when I'm older, sort of like a lot of older white ladies do.

[00:03:03] And I'm just really hoping, hoping to see any hint of anything spicy in the result.

[00:03:09] That's a joke about 23 and me, a thing that old white ladies do to find out whether or not they can make racist, racist jokes.

[00:03:21] How much?

[00:03:22] How much American?

[00:03:24] Come on.

[00:03:25] Just give me a touch of something.

[00:03:28] Well, am I part of?

[00:03:32] Exactly.

[00:03:34] Are you American?

[00:03:36] Here's your percentage.

[00:03:40] Yeah.

[00:03:40] Eric, your show buddy.

[00:03:44] Oh, okay.

[00:03:45] Yeah.

[00:03:45] Sorry.

[00:03:46] No, I don't want to go to D23 ever.

[00:03:49] Thanks for not elaborating on that.

[00:03:51] Either of you.

[00:03:52] I, you know what?

[00:03:53] I did not.

[00:03:55] I've considered it.

[00:03:55] I wanted to go this year.

[00:03:57] You know, I'd go to a lot of trade shows and what never occurred to me until this year, this very year, is that D23 is a trade show.

[00:04:06] Yeah, pretty much.

[00:04:07] I go to so many.

[00:04:08] For decades, I've gone to trade shows.

[00:04:10] And, you know, I'm in an industry and I walk around that industry.

[00:04:14] It's like, yeah, that's there's some stuff.

[00:04:16] You know, there's things.

[00:04:19] There you go.

[00:04:20] Does the education industry have an event like D23?

[00:04:24] They must.

[00:04:25] I'm sure they do.

[00:04:26] And I look forward to a time in my life when I can get paid to go to them and also not go to them.

[00:04:34] Here's the latest book.

[00:04:36] And I'm sure they have them in the pharmaceutical industry and all that stuff, Eric.

[00:04:40] But it's like, you know, you have your interest, right?

[00:04:42] Like my interest in this particular industry I'm in is very narrow.

[00:04:47] And I could walk around this trade show and like, oh, hey, look, this is a new way to slaughter pigs.

[00:04:52] Hooray.

[00:04:52] Like, I just don't really care.

[00:04:55] You know, so what occurred to me this time is like, this is an entire trade show dedicated to a thing I'm really passionate about.

[00:05:01] Why don't I go to this thing?

[00:05:03] Jimmy, of course, works in the sadism industry.

[00:05:07] He's not in the pig slaughtering industry.

[00:05:09] That's just adjacent.

[00:05:11] That's right.

[00:05:12] I'm sorry.

[00:05:13] Was there confusion?

[00:05:14] Anyway, but yeah, just like a whole trade show dedicated to things that I love and I'm passionate about.

[00:05:19] Why wouldn't I go?

[00:05:20] Like pig slaughtering.

[00:05:21] Well, again.

[00:05:26] Anyway.

[00:05:27] Yeah.

[00:05:27] So that was a more elaborated version of your question, Eric.

[00:05:31] Yes, I have considered and I probably will at some point in my life go to D23.

[00:05:36] Okay.

[00:05:36] I think I have a strong aversion to trade shows mainly because my I'm about to say possibly the most white thing that a person can say.

[00:05:52] My parents used to own a an interior decorating store.

[00:05:57] They still own a khaki store.

[00:05:59] Okay.

[00:06:00] An interior decorating store in which they sold frames and wallpaper and paint.

[00:06:05] There we go.

[00:06:07] And as such, I would as a child get dragged to so many trade shows.

[00:06:14] And I hate them.

[00:06:17] See, I thought you were going to say the whitest thing anyone's ever said.

[00:06:20] There's too much seasoning in that potato salad.

[00:06:23] Too soon.

[00:06:24] Like, you know, Jimmy, I am going to push back against your anti-white racism.

[00:06:31] I don't know.

[00:06:32] What is the whitest thing someone could say?

[00:06:34] That their parents owned a frame shop.

[00:06:36] That's fair.

[00:06:38] Khaki store also works.

[00:06:40] Right.

[00:06:41] All right.

[00:06:42] Well, thank you both for weighing in on this very important topic.

[00:06:47] Let's stay on this very important topic.

[00:06:48] Potato salad or pig slaughter?

[00:06:52] Mayonnaise versus Miracle Whip.

[00:06:56] Mayonnaise all the way.

[00:06:57] I think you're right, Dan.

[00:06:59] I've been making a homemade Caesar salad dressing for weeks.

[00:07:02] Where's my wind sound?

[00:07:05] I've been making a homemade Caesar salad.

[00:07:08] Really good.

[00:07:08] But instead of like doing oil and eggs and stuff, just mayonnaise.

[00:07:13] Right.

[00:07:13] And it's been phenomenal.

[00:07:14] Chef's kiss.

[00:07:15] Sky anus.

[00:07:16] Nice.

[00:07:17] I didn't.

[00:07:18] This last batch I made, I didn't have mayonnaise.

[00:07:21] I had Miracle Whip.

[00:07:22] And so I used Miracle Whip instead of mayonnaise for the Caesar dressing.

[00:07:25] And it was awful.

[00:07:26] Yeah.

[00:07:27] Oh.

[00:07:27] Do you grind the anchovies yourself?

[00:07:29] I use an anchovy paste.

[00:07:31] Okay.

[00:07:32] Oh.

[00:07:32] Free ground.

[00:07:34] Fresh minced garlic.

[00:07:36] It's all very good.

[00:07:37] A little bit of spice in there.

[00:07:38] It's good.

[00:07:39] Anyway, don't use Miracle Whip for your Caesar dressing.

[00:07:42] The end.

[00:07:43] All right.

[00:07:44] Thanks, everybody.

[00:07:47] Goodbye.

[00:07:49] Hey, we got a D23, didn't we?

[00:07:53] All right.

[00:07:53] So we're going to do D23.

[00:07:55] D23.

[00:07:56] And because I'm sick of doing D23 shows, I'm in charge.

[00:08:01] Yeah.

[00:08:04] And I'm going to have us do D23 Coast versus Coast, which is a thing that we do around here on the Supreme Resort, Land V World.

[00:08:15] and um yeah we're gonna we're gonna take that on in this way that we do things and so what you're

[00:08:22] saying is we're going to address d23 in the announcements like the like everyone yeah but

[00:08:27] at the end of this we're going to decide who won d23 disneyland or disney world exactly this is

[00:08:33] this is not what most shows have done most shows have been like oh what's gonna happen

[00:08:39] where are they gonna dig the hole for for this uh cocoa attraction we're gonna do that too by the

[00:08:47] way but still at the end we're gonna decide who's better at the end which one is better and because

[00:08:52] there is an element of risk involved with all of this how much are we going to lose

[00:09:01] to gain these amazing things um there will be negative points associated with this episode

[00:09:11] so i think what we're what we're all saying here is that we are not simply doing the easy thing that

[00:09:17] everyone else is doing this is a unique take any unique that's right yes we are working we're working

[00:09:23] both both parts of our asses nobody nobody works us hard no that's right and just tell your friends

[00:09:35] wow i can't believe i can't believe it's not half ass now available right in stores i will absolutely

[00:09:41] subscribe to this show um if dan says something about disneyland that i like

[00:09:49] dan what sound will i hear uh you'll hear that that sound that i am making with my mouth while

[00:09:56] speaking right now those intro quiz classes are really they really are

[00:10:04] well what was that sound you made what that was impressive it was do it again dan okay hold on

[00:10:13] start talking oh i can only do it while i talk i'm sorry you see

[00:10:17] that sound right there that i just made it's the mark twain uh whistle which uh is uh you know a

[00:10:25] little a thing that'll continue okay yes yes it's not going anywhere right how about uh a sound

[00:10:33] how about a sound that that would express my displeasure with your your statements okay hold on

[00:10:40] let me start speaking so i can make that sound as well and there you go i just need the sound

[00:10:46] well that was remarkably similar to the sound that you would hear on the rocket rods that's true

[00:10:52] well done thank you uh jimmy jimmy is not quite so talented as i haven't taken those classes yet

[00:10:58] yeah dan did give me a gift certificate but i haven't used it all right uh so jimmy uh purse your lips

[00:11:05] and uh make your first sound have you tried staples wow good job that's if you don't like it

[00:11:11] sure yeah that's if i don't like it and if i do like the things that you're saying i love that idea

[00:11:18] uh the old steven tyler standby yeah and the have you tried staples is from scrooge that's right

[00:11:26] where he is trying to get stable trying to get antlers to stick on mice that's right correct

[00:11:32] cutting corners yeah being careless with the brand so some might say

[00:11:39] interesting okay interesting take let's get there uh where do we want to start who wants to kick us

[00:11:46] off um disneyland is older than disney world 1955 by michael eisner himself

[00:11:56] oh oh thank thank you michael wait is michael here hello he sure is he is oh thank you

[00:12:02] my boys here in spirit um i don't know eric how do you want to start no there are fewer announcements

[00:12:11] in disneyland this year so i wouldn't mind starting out with with walt disney world let me start with

[00:12:19] oh with disney world okay i was gonna start yeah so i want to start uh first of all uh we need a

[00:12:25] breck eisner hello um for the files second um i i'd like to start i'm gonna kind of start in

[00:12:34] reverse order if that makes sense like what what i think is the biggest most exciting all the way down

[00:12:39] can we start with the thing that is the same between the two which is the oh million falcon

[00:12:45] right yeah that's a good idea all right go for it so here's my copy from the old disney

[00:12:51] uh a new story featuring mando and his youngling is coming to millennium falcon smugglers run on both

[00:12:58] hollywood studios and disneyland resort with some help from epic epic's unreal engine this new mission

[00:13:08] will kickstart once the mandalorian and grogu hits theaters in 2026 um i'm excited about this it's

[00:13:15] going to be a new same thing you do every time which is a lot of that i think they're not going

[00:13:23] to get no reskinning hondo is the best most exciting thing they can do therefore honda will

[00:13:32] still be in the show i think because it would be okay got it okay so they'll probably keep hondo

[00:13:41] it's hondo anaka it's his station they have to re-record all of the audio in the queue that

[00:13:46] nothing's changing we don't have to we still have to get coaxium but grogu's gonna be on the coaxium

[00:13:56] box i just had a moment where i imagine verner herzog as an animatronic

[00:14:02] for hondo and it was wonderful you must collect more coaxium

[00:14:10] um so i don't know what the i think the story will probably tie into the movie

[00:14:15] that that's coming out i still think it's gonna have to be some kind of adventure that you have

[00:14:20] to go retrieve or do whatever it's still a game right um but i don't think the queue is gonna change

[00:14:26] i think somehow they're gonna shoehorn millennium falcon in because you have to

[00:14:30] i was just thinking that like the millennium falcon isn't in that thing that we know yeah

[00:14:38] maybe they maybe they're gonna shove it in the movie somehow probably i mean it's so iconic you

[00:14:45] kind of almost have to but um so millennium falcon still exists right at this point in the timeline

[00:14:53] this is before uh ray discovers it on uh jaku right so whoever owns it encore plot owns it at

[00:15:03] this point maybe um oh god oh yeah when somebody has stolen it no they already have it because

[00:15:11] this place is set in the like 18 hours between the first movie and the second movie so

[00:15:23] okay they already did they steal it this is a terrible idea that's a good point well here's

[00:15:30] here's the other the other point as part of this oh nobody asked are we breaking the timeline are we

[00:15:36] are we taking galaxy's edge and are we making it a completely different are we just making it star

[00:15:42] wars land that's interesting i think okay i have a couple thoughts on that and it's gonna sound snarky

[00:15:49] but i think you'll also both understand where i'm going with this i think that um that makes a lot of

[00:15:56] sense to do and they should do it but they can't and they won't because while they would do it in

[00:16:05] california they wouldn't do it that's right they've already started in california with having

[00:16:12] mando and grogu there like i've met like that was that was a big highlight meeting mando and

[00:16:20] the advantage they have to these two characters is mando doesn't age because he has a mask on

[00:16:26] and grogu doesn't age because he's 50 and he's still a baby so even if he's 70 he's still just

[00:16:31] you know a baby or whatever so i think that the timeline doesn't matter when it comes to these

[00:16:36] characters so as far as this ride goes like what is the ride going to be i i think they're going to

[00:16:42] redo the ride you're still going to fly out of galaxy's edge you're still going to fly out about

[00:16:46] two and back i assume chewy's still going to be there that what they should do is replace hondo with

[00:16:55] mando and he and grogu are there as animatronics telling you what to do what they need you to do get

[00:17:01] rid of hondo altogether here's what we need you to do you need to go retrieve this thing what what will

[00:17:06] jim cummings do without his his residuals or replace hondo with uh the nick nolte character or hell

[00:17:14] nick nolte himself

[00:17:21] the trouble that disney has tying um something like this into a film property is that that film won't

[00:17:28] have been successful yet so it has to kind of be specific to these characters that are already popular

[00:17:33] without tying in the actual movie because we don't know if it's going to be good or not

[00:17:37] but we like the show we like yeah exactly well we like rogu and and man we liked we liked some

[00:17:44] seasons of it yeah well best season of mandalorian was uh boba fett

[00:17:53] i wonder if we're reaching if we're veering into

[00:17:59] i've speculated this before but i wonder if this is actually the the beginning of another dark age for

[00:18:06] disney where they get too huge too hubristic and you know how sometimes they like how you know how

[00:18:13] they have that history of being like hey you know what else is cool this thing and this thing and this

[00:18:18] thing and this thing and this thing and you're just like uh not anymore sorry i'm gonna disagree with

[00:18:24] you because i feel like we're almost heading toward a marvel ish phase three infinity war end game

[00:18:33] maybe like we're getting to the point where everybody's like i really liked all the star wars

[00:18:39] stuff oh wow there's a movie great maybe maybe i don't know at least i'd like that to be the thing

[00:18:47] i would too i just i'm always aware that you know there's there's there's always another just like

[00:18:53] the sith there's always another paul presler waiting and behind the scenes you know oh perhaps

[00:18:59] good reference which if it's all the same to york let's move on unless we have anything specific

[00:19:03] about this that nobody cares about no i think everybody wins on this one it's new content in a

[00:19:08] ride that promised content kind of like star tours well star tours like totally pays off like star tours

[00:19:17] keeps adding in content i was thinking uh midway mania or toy story mania right where they don't

[00:19:25] they've done it once yeah they added new stuff so the thing i think the thing that i keep thinking

[00:19:31] about is that this ride initially was going to be like an open format where you can just kind of

[00:19:38] explore and they give you like loose challenges along the way and that sounded fun yeah um and i i i feel

[00:19:47] like we're not gonna get that can i introduce another element to this which is if they get it

[00:19:55] how do they get it right in your review and how do they get it wrong in your view based on like

[00:20:01] their tendencies oh you mean outside of the star wars thing like across the board with all these

[00:20:07] topics across the board if if we can if there's time because i think with this one i would love for

[00:20:13] this to be no matter what they do with the actual ride itself i would love for this to be the moment

[00:20:20] where they just say f it to the timeline this is just star wars land how they get this wrong is it's

[00:20:27] just star tours part two and the millennium falcon aspect of it is basically just ignored you just

[00:20:34] happen to be in this vehicle yeah i think i already said my my version of that which is they get it wrong

[00:20:40] by keeping hondo keeping everything exactly the way it is right and just adding elements of mando and

[00:20:46] they shoehorn they get it right by reskinning hondo to mando with grogu and he's the one that's

[00:20:53] talking to you and get rid of chewy because you don't need them yeah i think that's interesting

[00:21:00] i think you could still shoehorn hondo into the mando story sure timelines fit but right like he's

[00:21:09] who knows how long he lives like it's totally fine to have him go hey you're gonna meet my new friend

[00:21:17] and i think it would be a good sort of it would be definitely a sign of good faith on their part if

[00:21:24] they replaced hondo with any character from the mandalorian like somebody that people recognize

[00:21:31] right even if even if it's a new character that kind of resembles the world you know like like

[00:21:36] yeah i i and jim cummings can still do the voice just so he still has a paycheck you know yeah

[00:21:43] what if it's tigger um there you go i love that idea steve tyler loves that idea well and we're not

[00:21:53] losing anything with that which is except for our dignity which is fine that's true and we and we

[00:21:58] have lots to gain also new adventure new experience right all right what's next all right so for me

[00:22:04] i'm like i originally said i want to start kind of thing i'm most excited about on the way down and

[00:22:08] coincidentally the very last thing on my list was the millennium falcon um so just briefly because

[00:22:14] there's not a lot to say the thing i'm most excited about is villains land now this is disney's response

[00:22:20] to epic universes um monsters realm or whatever it's called right right obviously it hasn't been

[00:22:28] proven successful but it's their you know their counter excited there's you know dress up opportunities

[00:22:35] there for kids and there's a cool attraction associated with it yeah so i think this um i'm

[00:22:44] i'm most excited about it there's gonna i'm gonna read disney's copy uh the world's most visited theme

[00:22:49] park will be getting its largest land expansion ever with disney's iconic villains uh the expansion

[00:22:55] at magic kingdom the keystone park at walt disney world resort will bring new and beloved stories to

[00:22:59] life disney imagineers blah blah blah um since this is from josh tomorrow since the beginning are disney

[00:23:05] villains have given us endless possibilities to tell new stories in this new land you'll see

[00:23:11] storytelling on a giant grand scale that only disney can deliver a couple of things what we're

[00:23:17] going to lose i think we're already going to lose because of cars is rivers of america the only

[00:23:23] geographical place oh wait that's just a light negative sorry the only geographical space they

[00:23:30] can do when they say largest expansion ever that means it has to be larger than new fanti which was

[00:23:36] i think 12 acres or something the only geographical space they have to expand is northwest of the hunted

[00:23:45] mansion so in that case we're losing rivers of america but that's the only space they have to expand

[00:23:53] so that's where it's probably going to go um so i don't know if we're losing anything per se

[00:23:59] uh they could realistically do it without getting rid of rivers of america but i think that's where it's

[00:24:04] going to go i'm excited about it maleficent's castle chernabog you know a lot of water uh dining

[00:24:12] experiences uh a villain's roller coaster we've been talking about this for a long time so i'm most

[00:24:17] excited about villains land coming now the indication was all of these projects are a go

[00:24:25] quote unquote they're in development like i guess maybe another framing device we should have done is

[00:24:31] is everything we're going to talk about today actually going to happen i mean zeddy josh said

[00:24:39] five years for everything that's what i heard too so so so that that means that this thing is going to

[00:24:45] be built before the end of this decade and this is i mean they don't it's very vague what they're doing

[00:24:52] right they haven't posted anything real but i have heard there were sightings of executives looking at

[00:25:00] areas i mean it's kind of like the old i mean it's like joe rhodi was on the the track of the people

[00:25:07] mover like who knows if that's actually a real thing what what's going to happen with it but

[00:25:11] they announced it and that's something right the beauty part about it is once they drain the river

[00:25:18] there is no stopping construction like nothing has to go away they don't have to shut a ride down for

[00:25:25] capacity like they can just build right because that area is pretty open yeah yeah it's just that

[00:25:31] they can just build all the time every day they can be building and they're not taking anything away

[00:25:36] dan has provided that means rivers of america is already gone right dan has thoughts that he wants

[00:25:42] to project from his mouth i'm just looking at it and i'm thinking about how this usually works i think

[00:25:47] we will i think we're looking at we definitely will get a villain's land we definitely will get all

[00:25:52] the things that they're talking about but i think that they're leaving it purposely vague

[00:25:56] to kind of see when does epic universe open do we know uh this year maybe yeah 2025 speculation is q1

[00:26:06] okay so we've moved hotels are being sorry hotels are being booked i think starting in february

[00:26:12] no that thank you for for filling me in yeah because i haven't been paying very close attention but

[00:26:17] but yeah villains land is definitely it i mean it's a better epic universe has villains

[00:26:25] yeah but what kids care about the mummy versus kids that care about maleficent

[00:26:33] that's true i think i think they might be waiting to see how dark they can go based on the response

[00:26:42] to that yeah what happens at epic universe because they don't have to break ground until 2026 to really

[00:26:48] build the land by 2029 that's fair and so they can kind of see how it goes but the other thing i want

[00:26:53] to say about it and from a positive perspective is where is the halloween focus at disney world

[00:26:58] is that the magic kingdom right think about how popular the villains layer is you know the redwood

[00:27:05] creek trail how popular that is at dca where the halloween you know that's the epicenter of halloween

[00:27:11] for disneyland so what could they do with villains land especially at halloween time which

[00:27:17] obviously goes from july to july to july well disney world it's very long um i think also the sort of

[00:27:27] the one of several elephants in the room for me are about around this is that epic universe i mean you

[00:27:35] both and regular listeners know what i think it's going to be it's going to be you know uh six flags

[00:27:42] park with really themed really well themed cues um ron and hermione will be there it'll be fine

[00:27:49] well i think that something that people aren't really taking into account is that like universal

[00:27:56] kind of just needs to make an effort at placemaking and people will like go nuts they'll be like oh

[00:28:02] they're doing it wow where disney has set this standard understandably to where they kind of

[00:28:09] they can't win this game if they're going to try to play it because if they and i'm not talking about

[00:28:15] just villains land i'm talking about just them trying to directly compete with epic universe

[00:28:20] because epic universe has the luxury of low expectations disney does not and so like it's

[00:28:29] almost like if you were to have light magic at universal today people would people would think it's

[00:28:33] like a valiant effort right or like you could get away with having something called rock around the shop

[00:28:38] there or superstar limo would probably still be open and like made fun of but they would still have it

[00:28:43] open there you know like the the standard is like much lower it's like all they have to do is have

[00:28:49] an animatronic and everyone's like you know um i will push back a little bit dan only because

[00:28:57] universal redefined the standard with diagon alley and hagrid's motorbike adventure they redefine the

[00:29:03] standard true but i think that that um it's there's still sort of this understanding of like

[00:29:11] yeah it's universal if they phone in a little bit we're we kind of expect that you know that's fair

[00:29:16] it's it's more i think that that the the harry potter stuff over there stands out more as an outlier

[00:29:23] and people really appreciate it as like wow not only did they do it but they did it they really did

[00:29:29] but they don't have to they don't have to reach that level every time and i think they know it

[00:29:33] yeah absolutely even i mean let me just bring this up here because i haven't had a chance to really

[00:29:42] think about this anywhere else wait you did this whole thing on the ears up how come you didn't

[00:29:47] talk about it didn't you get all your thoughts out there no i i uh i fell asleep all right what um

[00:29:55] no i let i let ryan uh express his his things um that's what happened on that episode uh but no

[00:30:03] like thinking about the new epic universe like harry potter area we're doing this weird this weird

[00:30:12] thing where we're going back to 1920s france but then we're gonna kids love right kids kids love france

[00:30:22] and then we're gonna jump forward in time to include the people that the kids want to see

[00:30:28] harry ron and hermione we're gonna jump forward in time to do an attraction based off of the movies

[00:30:36] i'm telling you i harry potter movies not the not the uh fantastic beasts movies no i really do think

[00:30:45] that that universal figured out that all they need to do is cater to mainly the teen

[00:30:51] and the thrill ride market because they're not really being catered to in that area right build

[00:30:58] build a six flags park basically and just gussy up all the flat rides and roller coasters with like

[00:31:06] just like what would be considered a c-level attempt at theming if it were in a disney park but because

[00:31:15] it's in a universal park it's going to be like wow that i can't whoa they have a fountain wow i'm

[00:31:22] gonna say like i think i think the harry potter stuff that they've done thus far the potterverse

[00:31:29] areas that they have done are fantastic like they're not trying i'm not trying to take away from that

[00:31:34] but if you but if you look if you look at the the the promotional stuff that they've put out

[00:31:40] and think how is this actually going to look not you know yay look at the schematics look at the you

[00:31:47] know the the music and the little lightning effects and it's oh it's all magical it's like okay

[00:31:51] take take that away take the production value away the cg element away and it's just you know the how

[00:31:58] to train your dragon it's just a ride that looks like a dragon that is the ride goes along water you

[00:32:05] know yeah i mean i've heard thing great things about like veloci coaster but that's it's that's a

[00:32:11] different veloci coaster also uh nice all right so yeah the new the new park yeah i don't know

[00:32:18] the harry potter rides are are cool but i'd just rather stand there in the area yeah i think eric to

[00:32:26] your point i don't know that they're going to theme the land the france area as the 1920s

[00:32:32] i think it's going to be modern day ministry of magic in france and i do think that dolores

[00:32:39] umbridge was in fact the best villain of the disney or disney of the harry potter franchise oh for sure

[00:32:45] she's yeah she's also digressing quite a bit so the uh anyway villains land i'm the most excited

[00:32:52] about that i think that's good that is the best announcement at d23 i i think villains land

[00:32:57] completely wins as far as something that we've wanted for a long time at a at a disney park and it

[00:33:05] also wins as a response to what is happening at universal i love that idea i think it loses if it

[00:33:14] becomes too much of a response though i think that they need to maintain their identity because epic

[00:33:21] universe is going to pull the audience it's going to pull right uh and i think that that that disney

[00:33:27] i hope they're not i just hope they're not overreacting and um i think it could be really

[00:33:33] good but only if they commit to making it kind of scary and uncomfortable for certain people

[00:33:41] i already awarded a point dan i know i'm just and i'm willing to bet i'm willing to bet with this

[00:33:50] we're going to have haunted mansion holiday during the interesting interesting oh i don't know because

[00:33:58] how they're they're going to lean in on the halloween thing and we all know everyone's favorite

[00:34:02] halloween movie that is not a christmas movie at all is herbie from the twisted mind of tim burton

[00:34:10] coralline 3d coralline lance burton um batman returns okay i don't know let's leave that alone for now

[00:34:17] because i would talk more about it but we've got a show to do uh dan do you want to talk about a

[00:34:24] disneyland thing i want to talk about a disneyland thing i'm going to start with the thing that

[00:34:28] i am most confused by just because well just because i don't fully i don't get what they're

[00:34:36] what they're going for i'm delighted by the idea of stark flight lab but have no idea what it's going

[00:34:43] to be uh i it's it's pretty obvious from the pictures well but like yeah i mean physically

[00:34:52] it's going to be a thing that looks like that but like it's the sum of all thrills but why do we go

[00:34:58] on it look i'm not anti it i think it's i think it's fine i'm not i'm not saying it's a bad idea

[00:35:04] or anything like that i'm just i see that and i have the even though it's it is the most clear

[00:35:11] and it's like this is what this ride is it's like okay but why ride i mean i'm for it don't get me

[00:35:22] wrong i think that that dca needs help and the more things that we can put there that aren't you

[00:35:29] know we we took the land that was supposed to have two attractions and has had one for a long time and

[00:35:35] we're putting all three in there i'm all for it i don't get me wrong i'm not saying that this ride

[00:35:39] shouldn't exist or it won't exist i just don't understand it is why it is confusing and i think it'll be

[00:35:47] great eric what is it it's it's kuka arms you sit in a kuka arm and it moves you around and i guess

[00:35:56] you put on goggles and there's some kind of control that you can change the ride i mean it's outside

[00:36:01] it's not it's not like it's not completely like the sum of all thrills which if you uh for the

[00:36:08] listeners who don't know what that was that was an attraction at epcot where you could build a

[00:36:12] roller coaster and then you could sit in a kuka arm which is the type of um type of ride mechanism

[00:36:19] that uh the harry potter hogwarts attraction uses where it moves you around and simulates a

[00:36:28] roller coaster so i'm guessing that's what but it's outside i i think what it does from what i understand

[00:36:35] is it it tony stark who will be voiced by uh robert jr for the first time i'm the frog person um

[00:36:43] which i i'm actually sad that that's gonna go oh because i really enjoy the other guy um i i think

[00:36:53] it's that this ride simulates the flight patterns of other marvel heroes not iron man and not well i would

[00:37:03] imagine iron man's involved but like it's it seems i mean let's be honest most heroes don't fly so i i

[00:37:11] think what it really is is disney was like uh we need another ride we can fit this kind of ride there

[00:37:18] and like okay go do it but which is again i'm fine with that but i'm not i'll ride it i'm not i'm not

[00:37:27] if i fit because that's that's probably oh no um but it it it's just it is a baffling concept to me

[00:37:38] not in a negative way i i realize i have that tendency it's just if someone understands it

[00:37:44] better than me it is very like off the cuff like uh i don't know what do we do with this space over

[00:37:51] here let's just let's just buy 10 kuka arms and put people in them yeah it's a way of doing a c ticket

[00:37:56] that's fun for the whole family yeah that's non-intrusive and and not hiding it like web

[00:38:03] slingers which is a c ticket that wants to be an e yeah it's it's mater's junkyard jamboree it's

[00:38:10] any of those things it's a it's a little thing it looks like something you might it looks like you

[00:38:16] might go around a track and then the arms like pick you up and go it's uh rollicking roadsters it's it's

[00:38:26] just that it's a it's a little square that you can put a ride in that's themed to the land it's it's

[00:38:31] very typical it's going to be really inefficient not going to have these ride capacity sure will oh

[00:38:37] my goodness it's teacups on kuka arms yeah okay oh okay no you know what that makes sense that that

[00:38:44] that's what i needed to get there is it's just it's just this thing it's i guess it's it's it's a flat

[00:38:51] ride but it's a ride system that like exists but doesn't really exist in that format yet and now it

[00:38:59] will yep all right point

[00:39:05] wow how did you make that sound without moving your your face dan that's a good point

[00:39:10] i won't tell you where that sound came from

[00:39:14] um okay so i want to move back to disney world and talk about cars land

[00:39:20] away from those villainous villains let me let me just test out the negative sound for everybody

[00:39:29] away from those vicious villains cars is also racing into the magic kingdom

[00:39:33] in a reimagined section of frontier land or front tire land

[00:39:39] guests will leave radiator springs behind and head off to the wilderness with two new cars attractions

[00:39:45] one that will be an off-road thrilling rally race and a family-friendly attraction

[00:39:49] that even the youngest race is one of disney's

[00:39:53] oh oh um oh no i can still hear you but all i can't hear you though

[00:40:01] oh you're back jimmy's back all right is one of disney's most popular franchises bringing in 1.4

[00:40:07] billion dollars the global box office that's one deadpool in wolverine by the way uh son of a

[00:40:14] mother of this goat what is happening okay that's uh weird i'm gonna stop touching things

[00:40:20] are we not recording anymore no we're we're recording i just really liked that uh that

[00:40:25] euphemism so i love that idea thank you it's not a real point your attention please

[00:40:34] hello hello hello hello um all right so inspiring radiator springs blah blah blah uh as we this is

[00:40:47] from josh zaddy as we develop the next generation of disney experiences we've always we're always

[00:40:53] looking for new ways to tell the stories people love that's like that's like josh that's like disney's

[00:41:00] version of like so yeah your dad went to go get cigarettes we're thrilling cars fans by building

[00:41:09] on this incredibly successful franchise and creating the next chapter in this story okay so i guess two

[00:41:17] things i want to talk about here number one frontier land number two uh rivers of america and number three

[00:41:24] out of three um what is this cars ride going to be concept art shows number one that rivers of america

[00:41:33] is in fact going away how do we feel about that good riddance i am on dan's boat yeah wait really

[00:41:46] get rid of it get rid of get rid of frontier land who cares who cares about frontier land anymore oh i

[00:41:53] see you're saying you're saying just toss frontier land yeah because they don't have a sign well you

[00:42:00] know there's a lot of talk about frontier land and it's what it was it gunslingers bandits native

[00:42:08] americans the frontier which ultimately don't culturally reflect what disney stands for right now right so

[00:42:17] frontier as in the west the wilderness the you know just kind of the unknown is what frontier land is

[00:42:25] being rebranded and that's a different thing that's almost like grizzly like grizzly what what's the

[00:42:32] disneyland grizzly peak grizzly peak yeah grizzly uh or flats yeah condor flats yeah like all that stuff

[00:42:39] it i mean what you can have the untamed wilderness without right like a bunch of you know cowboys with

[00:42:48] guns but what what's interesting in the concept art what is not in this frontier land concept art

[00:42:56] tianus is not in the art so well maybe the internet is only one is that being annexed all right they're

[00:43:05] closing it down so you've got i mean it's it's been it's been confirmed that rivers of america is going

[00:43:10] away i i think i'm with you i i mean personally i don't care um only because i don't ever go on that

[00:43:19] riverboat disney world i don't go on the island i don't really care i so my response is very much

[00:43:26] colored by the park that i call my home it's a weird way to craft that sentence um

[00:43:35] rivers of america disneyland easily one of my favorite places like on in in our reality right

[00:43:42] yeah that's a different story yeah i know i know so it's hard for me it's a different thing

[00:43:47] i know but it's like it's hard for me to not be critical of them getting rid of rivers of america

[00:43:55] and i i reckon i totally i'm embracing that bias i am just saying that it exists right um and i've

[00:44:03] been really baffled by the response from a lot of people within that frame of them kind of going

[00:44:10] like yeah you know i don't really care yeah it's interesting right like like it's fascinating to me

[00:44:16] too like the discourse around this is like man it's going away but if you put kerman on that damn

[00:44:21] island there would be storm in the capital no that's a different one but yeah i'm just saying

[00:44:27] i i agree like it's it's not something that people really engage with there it's it's a park that is

[00:44:34] it's different from disneyland where it's visited by so many people from around the world and they don't

[00:44:41] have a connection to this this era this time this type of ip we don't have westerns anymore

[00:44:50] that really connect with people uh i mean as much as i wanted to uh watch well no i shouldn't say

[00:44:59] that um it's on the south go ahead fine no no no horizons the new kevin costner movie like i didn't i

[00:45:08] didn't go to see it in theaters like but that's like whenever somebody releases a western it's like

[00:45:13] an it's it's an event now like oh wow somebody tried to do a western again

[00:45:20] okay i'm not saying this to be argumentative i'm genuinely curious please why then does disneyland's

[00:45:28] frontier land work because we haven't tried to change it yet i think it's because walt touched it

[00:45:37] ultimately i think it was the original walt drew the island people go on that boat people go on the

[00:45:44] riverboat i people have gotten i've noticed since the reopening a few years ago a lot of people are

[00:45:51] really excited about that boat that i didn't people go on the mark twain no doubt the news

[00:45:56] the canoes are fun like it's a kinetic energy that you want to engage in does not exist at disney world

[00:46:04] at disney world you just want to walk past it and go to big thunder mountain

[00:46:08] that's where it's a dead end it's a dead freaking end currently is it almost like an inversion of

[00:46:14] the size thing because at disneyland it's there's so much so much yeah totally yeah don't get rid of

[00:46:21] that it's a major feature but at disney world it's like why is this here another ride should be here

[00:46:27] it that's what it feels like it really because it's an expanse at disneyland at disney world it's a

[00:46:32] bottleneck yeah and and it doesn't it doesn't continue like it's it is a dead end um so yeah

[00:46:40] i good riddance is not the right way of putting it although i will say a couple of things to counter

[00:46:44] your argument eric that this will now be the only magic kingdom style theme park without a rivers of

[00:46:51] america disneyland paris has rivers of the far west tokyo has one shanghai has one they all have one

[00:47:00] so i hope they do something with water i mean the the cars ride well there's doesn't need water

[00:47:08] it's not it's not going to be well there's going to be geysers there's going to be there's going to

[00:47:14] be west stuff wilderness trees uh what i want to get to is the cars ride will not be radiator springs

[00:47:22] racers but it will be radiator springs racers it's going to be a slot car ride it's going to be some

[00:47:28] different story but you're still going to race at the end it's going to be the same right it's going

[00:47:32] to be test track ish are we sure it's going to be i mean test track they're redoing test track but

[00:47:38] my point is it's still a slot car ride where they're going to have indoor show scenes and they're

[00:47:43] going to be not a race per se at the end but they're going to it's going to be a race it's going

[00:47:48] to be a high speed something or other at the end right it's going to be the same thing there's

[00:47:51] gonna be a reason to go fast exactly just like indiana jones and dinosaur it's the same ride it's

[00:47:57] just not the same right maybe you encounter a monster truck version of like a sasquatch or

[00:48:03] something oh by the way that's an actual story in the cars universe dan um but anyway so then

[00:48:11] there's going to be another second ride is going to be mater's junkyard jamboree it's going to be

[00:48:16] for rollick and roaster it's going to be some kind of flat ride like we talked about with with

[00:48:20] avengers so that's going to be the second thing and i'm here for it i think it's going to be great

[00:48:27] so you're both okay you're both okay with the conceit the frontier like cars go in frontierland

[00:48:35] yes sure okay okay i'm not pushing back on it it's just weird and for the reasons i've already

[00:48:42] addressed anthropomorphic cars in frontierland is dumb under this current frontierland conceit

[00:48:50] yeah but they're going to change the conceit if they call it frontierland i will boycott oh gosh

[00:48:56] but i think what frontierland is going to become is i don't know if they'll rebrand it but it's going

[00:49:03] to be western frontier something like that like it's not going to be frontierland to me and this

[00:49:10] is i'm just being completely honest to me what it feels like is they're saying like f it let's just

[00:49:15] go ahead and make frontierland redneck panderland because dan look at tomorrowland think about

[00:49:21] tomorrowland what is tomorrow not tomorrowland uh which coast it doesn't matter they both have

[00:49:29] they both have a buzz light year yeah what's that what does that have to do with tomorrow

[00:49:35] nothing i don't know i i i think that i think that this get comes comes down to the arguments that we

[00:49:42] frequently get into which is that i'm seeing that they are just kind of giving in to a breaking of the

[00:49:48] standard and going like yeah whatever i mean this the same people let's face it the same people that

[00:49:54] enjoy country bridge and we're probably gonna enjoy cars right like it's it's it seems cynical to me um

[00:50:00] probably and i think that also on top of it it's like you have you could build the it doesn't have to

[00:50:10] why is this why do they why do they have so much space if they're not going to use it

[00:50:14] like you could put a legit cars land into maybe not magic kingdom specifically i was gonna say

[00:50:23] directly connected to frontierland but like you could you could have it somewhere on property um

[00:50:32] but where where does it make sense no that's not my job honestly that's not my job but and

[00:50:38] i mean hollywood studios would they don't have room there either we'll get to that yeah it kind

[00:50:44] of feels like a place for a pixar thing but but at the same time why are we like laying back and

[00:50:51] sitting back and going like well they kind of box themselves in even though they have all this

[00:50:57] expanse of space that they intended to use at some point well yeah i guess they can't do it because

[00:51:03] they built the the cooling plant over there it's like well yeah you've messed up you know maybe i

[00:51:11] think dan what my macro point which i'm going to get to now is this is well you know i'm going to save

[00:51:18] my point not not like winning point but my my overall argument for what they're doing and why

[00:51:23] well i think what this point said to for me is that and i don't know if this is necessarily a bad

[00:51:30] thing this could actually end up being i think a smart move it's just hard for me to accept mainly

[00:51:37] because of the coast i'm on and my expectations i think that they might be coming to a place where

[00:51:43] they're like people don't really come here for like magic in the sense that we usually talk about it

[00:51:50] they're just here for a vacation and an experience and to see the characters they love dan what is

[00:51:56] what what does cars have to do with california adventure oh i mean it fits though that does it

[00:52:04] well it doesn't feel my point is it doesn't feel shoehorned in that and what what does anything have

[00:52:09] to do with california in that park right now well that's i think we're making the same argument right

[00:52:14] what does it have to do with the frontier it's west i i you my my the point that i'm trying to make

[00:52:20] that i was trying to make that i guess i wasn't making well is that i think disney might be at a

[00:52:26] place with disney world uh where they're just like people don't really come here for the disney

[00:52:32] they come here for the the brand of disney they don't come here for the expectation of disney

[00:52:37] that's true they come here because it's really just a fancy chucky cheese so let's well it's

[00:52:42] immersive it's the stories they love the characters they love that's exactly why they come there yes

[00:52:47] right but like there's also this sort of like i i i i feel like they are almost like unburdening

[00:52:55] themselves from the coconut reference there they're unburdening themselves of the expectation

[00:53:02] that they need to they need to still have of course they're still going to have a standard but they can

[00:53:11] kind of go yeah i mean maybe maybe not so much and i think i think that's also a result of

[00:53:17] and this is partially why i brought it up i think that epic universe is going to water down those

[00:53:24] expectations and i think maybe i mean it's almost like why try as hard that see that seems to be the

[00:53:32] that seems to be what i'm getting from those changes on that coast which is sort of like a yeah i mean we

[00:53:39] could figure out a way but no i mean no one really goes on tom sawyer's island even though it's the

[00:53:45] better tom sawyer's island like by design as we declared yeah you know like i think i think it's

[00:53:51] it's more just like yeah why keep fighting this fight let's just give the people what they think

[00:53:56] they want which also goes to a point that i find a we'll get to it let's move on well it's in this

[00:54:06] particular case it started with tianis that doesn't make any sense in frontier land as long

[00:54:11] as it doesn't make sense in frontier land let's just change the whole thing maybe i'm i'm on board

[00:54:16] with that and i'm going to move us forward but i'm going because i'm the judge i'm going to make a

[00:54:21] statement that uh neither of you can respond to um or listen to uh please plug your ears um

[00:54:28] la la la

[00:54:33] uh but ultimately this is this is the time this is finally it we are we have finally arrived at a time

[00:54:43] when we can break one of the rules when we can say club

[00:54:51] yes yeah we can now talk about fight club okay and uh we can talk about how um walt disney probably

[00:54:59] wouldn't probably would have changed multiple lands at this point agreed this is this is a man who was

[00:55:07] constantly pushing things forward he scrapped entire lands and completely redid them look at

[00:55:12] tomorrowland we're in the the tomorrowland situation we're in now because everybody went ah oh oh he

[00:55:19] like redid it twice i don't know what else to do with it get rid of a land do something completely

[00:55:27] new that people actually want people want to engage with the cars franchise in the magic kingdom in

[00:55:34] walt disney world other than this weird lightning mcqueen meet and greet in hollywood studios do

[00:55:41] something different get rid of a land do it i know what does that mean on i i know i know

[00:55:49] we need to move on but i want to add something to this that has been itching in the back of my mind

[00:55:53] and it's coming up now which is i think that frontierland at disney world has been kind of just

[00:55:58] left to be whatever for a very long time oh yeah and whereas like at disneyland it's had it has had to

[00:56:07] have been updated several times because of other things like not so much like let's update frontierland

[00:56:12] itself but oh no now we have a galaxy z now we have a fantastic now we have this so like they've had to

[00:56:17] kind of like reimagine it and keep it fresh over and over again where at disney world it's just like

[00:56:22] i don't know what i mean it got a parade goes through here you know and i think that they they may have

[00:56:33] kind of through that apathy gotten to this point which where i think a lot of people have followed them

[00:56:39] where it's just like yeah i mean sure the rivers of america used to mean something to some people but

[00:56:45] it really doesn't anymore so whatever yeah and and i think i've said it a hundred times dan and eric's

[00:56:52] right if cars if the cars franchise was a disney ip in 1955 cars would be probably in frontierland

[00:57:01] i agree well i don't know i'm just saying it would be somewhere it'd be somewhere frontierland

[00:57:07] fits better than most other places just like buzz lightyear why is it because it's dirty i mean

[00:57:14] let's let's because it's west because it's rocky right it's utah it's it's new mexico whatever

[00:57:21] route 66 anywhere not well not in frontierland

[00:57:29] i'm just saying it all right i'm just saying it doesn't have to be that you know and i and i and

[00:57:33] i do think that there's some cynicism behind why it's that okay and i think i'm going to go back to

[00:57:37] the point i was going to make before we move on is that what disney has done at disney world is they

[00:57:43] have built a new theme park without building a fifth gate

[00:57:50] this land that land this land that land this land they've built they're building over the next five

[00:57:57] years a new theme park without building a new theme park i really like that idea it's not just

[00:58:04] we added tron it's yeah it's we're changing this entire park i like lands is a theme park okay i

[00:58:12] get that but at the same time it's like do your effing job make it but dan we've been talking about

[00:58:21] this for years i know there's no such thing as theming anymore there's no cohesive theme park

[00:58:26] anymore i and i still argue disneyland is no longer a cohesive theme park more so than any of the

[00:58:33] other ones yeah but when you start putting buzz light you're in tomorrowland and you put star wars

[00:58:39] at disneyland it's just it's it there's no such thing as a cohesive theme park anymore i guess i guess

[00:58:45] for me it's more just like try versus give up and i feel like they're giving up perhaps but they gave

[00:58:52] up when they put tiana's in frontier land maybe eric move us along all right let's move us along yeah

[00:58:58] i i i let's talk about how i disagree with dan but um i think this is a major a this is a bold move

[00:59:07] this is huge i don't you're not allowed to talk about it anymore because i already i want to clarify

[00:59:12] i don't think it's a disagreement as much as it is you what are you expecting what's your starting

[00:59:18] point my starting point is i expect more that's it whether i should or not okay that's it all right

[00:59:27] i think i i get where you're looking with that all right give us a disneyland thing dan uh but hey

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[01:00:46] walt disney and what he would have done uh we're gonna talk about tiana's bayou adventure which is

[01:00:55] november 15th nice subversion of expectations

[01:00:59] what a roller coaster of a sentence that was

[01:01:07] um yeah so she has my adventure you may have heard about it it's it's a thing the internet loves it

[01:01:13] it's gonna happen also what's gonna happen that the internet loves and they have very strong opinions

[01:01:19] about is walt disney himself will become a wait wait are you taking two things in this one statement

[01:01:26] tiana's coming come on yeah okay okay yeah um so yeah walt disney is going to beat up abraham lincoln

[01:01:35] in a live show with two robots

[01:01:39] and walt disney will will poke the hole in lincoln's head and be like yeah he did it no uh

[01:01:47] sorry i got carried away uh well i'm imagining the two robots fighting and i'd really like to say it

[01:01:54] they are back to back right uh it's like railer duel uh walt disney is gonna be at the uh great

[01:02:03] most mr lincoln slash mr disney theater where he's gonna be very charming and sit on a stool probably

[01:02:11] stand up and maybe wave at you um and no one really knows what it will be other than like

[01:02:18] half of the family seems to like it the other half seems to not like it is is this the best walt disney

[01:02:26] we what which which era of walt disney would you have chosen

[01:02:31] oh

[01:02:34] uh world's fair era okay i think that's what we're gonna get it's gonna be with the support of the

[01:02:41] disney family museum and the archives it's gonna be a recreation of his office it's gonna be him

[01:02:47] sitting on his desk and him explaining the idea of disneyland it's gonna be snippets of interviews

[01:02:52] from you know the one about daddy daughter day it's gonna be about it's gonna be him selling

[01:02:58] disneyland from his office circa 1950s to us i i agree i think this is the best walt disney we could

[01:03:07] have asked for it's not the cocky walt disney from like snow white like suck it everybody i made a

[01:03:17] million dollars yeah i think um there's a lot that they could do wrong but i feel like they won't

[01:03:25] you know um i think i think this era of of disney i can trust with this maybe 20 years ago or so

[01:03:36] i'd be like oh he's gonna just sell oranges or something um i i do wonder i mean okay

[01:03:48] people are talking about there being like some ethical problem there but then at the same time

[01:03:52] this is the guy yeah i know this is a guy that did the same thing to abe lincoln i i i guess it's like

[01:03:59] if this is a weird crossing of a line for some people and i don't know i i i know how i could

[01:04:07] feel that way but i don't know if i do does that make sense yeah i i get it you feel like maybe

[01:04:14] maybe there's there's something in the back of your brain where you're like this is

[01:04:20] doing this seems wrong but ultimately definitely like in the 90s or so this would have felt wrong

[01:04:28] agreed but i think that enough time i think yeah there's been enough time and some of the uh i think

[01:04:34] it was brickie he was on youtube he was talking about how like you know if we think about it a lot

[01:04:41] of the people who come to disneyland who aren't regulars they don't really even know that he's a real

[01:04:46] person and if you're gonna have that if you're gonna introduce that connection to the brand if

[01:04:53] you're gonna reintroduce it it needs to be at disneyland because it's his park right and at this

[01:04:59] also like there is the well i mean if he did it to lincoln then he's probably okay with it happening to

[01:05:05] himself i would agree and i think that he also brought up a point that i found really interesting

[01:05:11] and this also talks he also relates this to tomorrowland and why we're not seeing anything

[01:05:16] yet is that he is speculating and i'm not sure if i agree i think i might that they're starting to play

[01:05:25] with the idea of you know now that we were in this era of it has to be ip or they can't do anything with

[01:05:31] it i think they might be starting to brand disneyland and walt disney himself as ip

[01:05:40] yeah yeah walt disney is the ultimate disney ip right and i think that disneyland is is starting

[01:05:46] to get smart about it where it's like okay well and they they did this with the disneyland hotel they

[01:05:52] made a hotel themed to disneyland itself um i think that if we're in this era which seems to be

[01:06:00] and i think that the ip problem i understand that ip exists and that we're going to use it i don't

[01:06:06] disagree with you jimmy about like if cars exist and all that stuff i just feel like it can be an all

[01:06:12] it can be too all or nothing where we start like rejecting possibly good ideas um and the disney parks

[01:06:20] first in the in the past have been really good at giving people that stuff that they don't know that

[01:06:26] they want yet and i feel like we're missing out on that but anyway as that aside it's possible that

[01:06:33] they are rebranding disneyland slowly to be its own ip which means and this is the connection to

[01:06:40] tomorrowland that we then once all of the expansion stuff happens they shut down tomorrowland and they

[01:06:49] bring people they bring back old tomorrowland as it's as it's the ip is this is tomorrowland

[01:06:56] right it's it's disneyland's tomorrowland right as opposed to this is a look into the future wow

[01:07:02] i like it yeah a couple things i like to say is the disneyland hotel historically was themed to

[01:07:10] disneyland in the 50s when it was closed mondays and tuesdays they had a 18 hole miniature golf course

[01:07:16] where you could hit a ball into the castle and you could do whatever that there was there was a

[01:07:20] whole disneyland themed mini golf course right so it's not unprecedented but you're right

[01:07:24] i think that walt disney as a statue fits really well at epcot fits really well at the magic kingdom

[01:07:32] does walt disney as an animatronic would be lost at disney no one would care yeah no one would care

[01:07:37] right i think it fits really well in the opera house it fits really well as a back-to-back to lincoln

[01:07:43] i think walt disney as a entrepreneur enterprising young individual was a huge fan of abraham lincoln

[01:07:51] and made this new technology to fit his his hero if you will and you know 60 80 years later whatever it

[01:08:01] was uh an enterprising young whatever is paying an homage to their hero which is an individual walt

[01:08:09] disney with the new version of that technology it is 100 something that walt disney would do

[01:08:15] and if you remember in the 1960s when walt did it with abraham lincoln it was blasphemy i was alive

[01:08:22] then well um it was blasphemy for a lot of people like how could you do this to this icon so like like

[01:08:30] frontier land like anything we're going to talk about it's going to offend somebody for some reason

[01:08:35] right but i think that truly walt would have done this and i do want to be i do want to be sensitive to

[01:08:42] you know people in the family that they feel that it's a you know betrayal or an invasion or whatever

[01:08:48] like that i i get that that that's unfortunate um however as i that's not necessarily my concern

[01:08:56] but as somebody who likes the stuff um i think it could serve and actually someone who likes the stuff

[01:09:05] and enjoys taking people who don't necessarily understand what this is it could end up being a

[01:09:11] really good shorthand for people to go like oh that's why main street is like this that's why

[01:09:17] we still have rivers of america that's why the tiki room exists that's why these all these weird

[01:09:22] nuances of disneyland they're like okay why the hell is this still here i think that if you have

[01:09:30] that framing you could appreciate it a lot more and i think which is why i hope they can have it open

[01:09:37] during uh the first half hour that main street is open before rope drop sure i agree that's a good

[01:09:45] idea and i think that that what disney needs to do in an era where it's so easy to get around the world

[01:09:52] where it wasn't in the 50s and 60s that disney world and disneyland need to have their own identity

[01:09:58] yeah and maybe this is towards that they need to have their own identity yeah you know you don't

[01:10:03] need to build identical things in each place because you can get back and forth really easily ryan what

[01:10:08] do you think oh sorry wrong show i i would like to say that this is my biggest takeaway from d23 is that

[01:10:17] nothing was they didn't announce anything that was we're just going to take this thing from here and put

[01:10:23] it over there too everything was distinct that's true i mean it may be the same ride system or

[01:10:28] whatever but right right right but we're doing something different yeah yeah hong kong is getting

[01:10:34] a tower of terror knockoff but it's gonna be so cool exactly it's gonna be awesome and this is

[01:10:42] this is what we need we need something a little bit different and i'm not just talking about it

[01:10:47] because of this show where we want to compare and contrast things like well i think i think too they

[01:10:54] might be setting up this is going to sound more arrogant than i intended to i think they are

[01:11:01] setting it up to where it's like okay disneyland is actually special and there are reasons why it's

[01:11:08] special and there are reasons why we won't touch certain things there and you you all need to

[01:11:14] understand why it's special and why it is the way it is and that's actually a total positive that's why

[01:11:20] the castle is smaller all of these things that like have been perceived as issues in the past they're

[01:11:26] kind of going like no we're not going to apologize for that it is this way because it needs to be this

[01:11:31] way for these reasons it's got an identity and i think this is and as such encapsulation of that

[01:11:37] as such i think they're they're starting to go in a direction of going like no this is actually

[01:11:42] the premium park this is the special experience this is the premium park and that's why we don't

[01:11:47] have any any economy hotels not because of the lack of space of course but because it's a premium

[01:11:54] experience in general if you just want off the shelf disney i'm going to go meet the characters

[01:12:00] and see the ip experience disney world's over there dan i think the word you're trying to pronounce

[01:12:07] is supreme and um that's that's a whole thing uh jimmy how about uh something happening at walt

[01:12:15] disney world let's keep just something quick something that's tangible something that's going

[01:12:19] to happen soon like waltz by the way dan do you like waltz animatronic do you like this show

[01:12:27] i haven't seen it i mean i think that i mean i'm excited about it uh excited mostly out of curiosity

[01:12:35] i'm not gonna i i guess i'm not gonna go in finding reasons to dislike it i'm gonna go in

[01:12:41] finding reasons to like it and hoping that i find them as a judge there you go i agree with you

[01:12:49] uh disney starlight summer 2025 it's a brand new nighttime parade uh disney satellite will debut at

[01:12:57] magic kingdom in summer of 2025 using the latest technology and some pixie dust from the blue fairy

[01:13:02] the parade will feature characters from peter pan frozen in kanto and more i'm excited about it i

[01:13:07] don't like parades about time my god i'm excited about it yeah i know spectral magic was a big deal

[01:13:13] uh nighttime parade is long overdue at magic kingdom and i don't think it takes anything away

[01:13:19] it just adds the end steve tyler what do you think i love that idea there you go he's on board

[01:13:25] i was sad and disappointed when that wasn't followed up by and we're gonna have paint the

[01:13:31] night at disneyland yay um but you know whatever just real quick one more thing just in the spirit of

[01:13:39] uh dan's tiana um announcement is that test track 3.0 uh opening 2025 reimagining test track open 2025

[01:13:47] new show scenes and technology imagineers and teams from chevrolet have looked back at the original

[01:13:53] world of motion to bring that spirit of optimism to this iconic attraction so tech tech test track

[01:14:00] 3.0 coming 2025 hooray i love that idea steve likes it too and uh speaking of uh coming i don't know 2025

[01:14:11] uh let's move on we're gonna get uh avatar land officially at disney's california adventure i think

[01:14:19] it's gonna change i think it's gonna i think that one of i think that the third gate that they are yet

[01:14:25] to announce is going to be avatar in itself but that's a that's a totally different speculation uh

[01:14:31] they're gonna have avatar stuff at supposedly at disney's california adventure aka dca uh looks like

[01:14:39] it's probably gonna be a kind of i don't want to say reskin i think it's gonna be seems like it's

[01:14:45] gonna be based on the pirates right it's the shanghai one shanghai one yeah which they don't have

[01:14:50] room for in the existing park exactly um i don't see it fitting in the expansion area not only in the

[01:15:01] like space sense but like like i can i can kind of see where that goes but i i really do think it's

[01:15:08] going to be a third gate thing i think the third gate is going to be all avatar all the time i said it

[01:15:14] before i'll say it again i don't think they're gonna i don't think they're having a third gate

[01:15:18] people keep talking about when they announce what they're going to do with disneyland forward

[01:15:23] this is disneyland forward yeah bits and pieces it's it's still dca they're going to figure out a

[01:15:30] way to get it underneath uh western west drive whatever this is this is disneyland forward

[01:15:38] maybe i i just i that assumes that toy story parking lot is going to remain toy story parking

[01:15:46] lot and i don't see that well no it won't but i just mean like disneyland forward won't be its

[01:15:52] whole thing it the rezoned part of the resort will include

[01:16:02] coco will include avatar yeah maybe i'm that this is my speculation i i'm just saying that

[01:16:10] avatar land is going to be at the parking lot what in forgive me guys what's it called the the one

[01:16:16] that's just south of um pixar pier hotel pixar place oh oh the simba

[01:16:24] whatever that yeah whatever that parking lot is going to be or coco well i mean you have well it

[01:16:32] won't be there's room for more than just a coco yeah probably i'm just thinking that avatar land

[01:16:39] in that shanghai pirates ride will be across the street and they haven't announced anything

[01:16:46] officially across any streets it's just they don't have to right it's been rezoned they can do it i

[01:16:55] look i'm not saying that like i think it would be a bad idea to put it there i think that sure why not

[01:17:01] i'm just i would let me put it another way i would love it if this became the third gate

[01:17:06] but and i believe that there will be one i understand that i might be wrong um

[01:17:15] a are we allowed to talk about coco because it just came up you might as well go for it uh so we're

[01:17:21] doing a coco boat ride that is absolutely not going to be anything like grand fiesta tour um and

[01:17:28] it's going to be i believe uh connected to the the part of the park that has um uh viva navidad in it

[01:17:41] and not only because it will fit there but because i know how much disney loves putting things of

[01:17:48] vaguely similar ethnicity paradise gardens right right yeah paradise gardens yeah so paradise gardens

[01:17:54] is right next to pixar pier coco fits right there right it makes sense for that to go there there's

[01:17:58] not enough geography for a show building it's a little tiny yeah well but i mean we're also dealing

[01:18:05] with the idea that right across the street is stuff that they have place to build you know we don't it's

[01:18:11] again it's not our job to figure out how they will do the things because we're not imagineers we're not

[01:18:17] city planners we're not engineers i'm just thinking it would make a lot of sense to have like the entrance

[01:18:23] over there and the show building on the other side or whatever you know and i think that's what i'm

[01:18:29] saying except i was saying it about avatar right well right but what i'm pointing out is the coco ride

[01:18:37] isn't going to take up all that space right dan will they update your favorite bathroom they have to

[01:18:47] never never it's it's they it's too special it's the route 66 bathroom back there it would be like

[01:18:54] destroying the rivers of america at disneyland they they know they know how much it means to us

[01:19:00] i actually believe that that that bathroom is an inside joke for some people in imagineering where

[01:19:06] they're just like nah never touch it gotta leave it yeah they talked about it on uh uh podcast the ride

[01:19:11] the other day really yeah it was like a revelation to them wow really yeah no i really i really do think

[01:19:18] that that it i mean think about it if you were in imagineering or whatever and like i would absolutely

[01:19:24] just be like i'm not touching that unless they tell me to because let's just leave it a little

[01:19:30] slice of the 90s even though this is not a 90s park so yeah uh coco it's good yeah it's fine

[01:19:39] you know what coco is and yeah i mean of course i'm sure everyone is wondering where is encanto gonna go

[01:19:46] in relationship to coco because that's how they yeah and can't go into walt disney world

[01:19:53] that's right it's going to be in relation it's going to be about as far apart right as the why would

[01:19:59] they okay listener i know what i'm doing here go with me on the irony here why would they have the

[01:20:04] two mexican things in different places guys um so do you think that a coco ride will be

[01:20:15] will it be some version of the mexico boat ride will it be closer to why wouldn't it be you know like

[01:20:25] would you think it'll be closer to the spirit of uh the flight of passage that the um navi river journey

[01:20:32] i think it's experiencing a thing nothing goes wrong i think that yeah because how how would you have

[01:20:40] something go wrong with that like we're gonna re-traumatize the audience with the storyline

[01:20:45] you know like it's i think it's gonna just be hey this is a thing why why not let this thing be a

[01:20:51] happy thing and i'm not i'm not saying it in a cynical sense of like grand fiesta tour i think

[01:20:57] that they're probably gonna say like i mean i think the thinking is like they're like yeah what if we did

[01:21:02] this okay what if we added coco okay now how can we actually incorporate that in a way that makes

[01:21:07] sense i don't i don't think it's just gonna be like yeah whatever give them more of the stuff

[01:21:11] i think it feels like a celebration yeah opportunity yeah it's not a you're right it's not a rehashing of

[01:21:17] the movie which i mean when it comes down to it coco as a as a as a film like wasn't

[01:21:28] yeah there was there's a little bit of drama as far as it like ernesto being not his father and being

[01:21:37] a bad guy but it really the emotional core of the movie that's what's that's what's more devastating

[01:21:46] i guess yeah yeah that's the thing we don't need to all walk out sobbing uncontrollably um i mean

[01:21:52] right i mean like if we do fine but um i i just and i and again i'm not not being i'm not trying to

[01:22:01] be a jerk when i say i think that it would be natural probably for someone to go like okay so

[01:22:07] we're gonna do a coco boat ride what's the starting point there like well i don't know how much like

[01:22:12] grand fiesta tour should we make it should we not make it because it is i mean there there are clear

[01:22:17] similarities there at the boat ride there's this and there's that and then it's like yeah okay well

[01:22:22] actually we could just kind of like have it be that but let's make it coco you know jimmy will they

[01:22:27] include a uh a section much like grand fiesta tour with uh small world figures um i think that that

[01:22:39] won't be where they go with it no no i don't think so it would be it would be the land of the dead right

[01:22:44] right yeah that's where you would say of the dead i think maybe what'll happen is that this will be

[01:22:49] miguel going back to visit all of his ancestors it won't be a what they call a book report ride

[01:22:55] it'll be celebrating the day of the dead all year round and it'll be miguel going back to visit all

[01:23:02] the ancestors that's what the ride will be love it i think that's fantastic and just have a drop

[01:23:10] yes if they have the will that drop be how we get across the street yes okay all right that's my

[01:23:17] theory jimmy tell us about encanto i guess

[01:23:21] mexico

[01:23:26] esperanza encanto and the exciting adventures of indiana jones coming 2027

[01:23:33] goodbye dinoland usa welcome tropical americas this is where i really believe that they're actually

[01:23:39] starting yeah like they actually have trucks ready to start trucks they've had trailers back there

[01:23:45] for a while now after crossing over the bridge from discovery island you'll encounter pueblo esperanza

[01:23:52] which translates to village of hope which will be home to two signature attractions uh set to break

[01:23:59] down great later this year break ground later this year to open in 2027 this is the breakdown

[01:24:05] they do yeah it will also feature a large fountain in the center of the village one of the largest

[01:24:12] quick service restaurants at disney world and a carousel featuring beloved disney animals so here

[01:24:18] we get a carousel which is like lovingly handcrafted by local artisan of just disney characters i'm not

[01:24:25] sure if they're going to try to incorporate just yeah i don't know i don't know if it's going to be

[01:24:30] winnie the pooh or if it's just going to be tropical americas themed i mean i've heard about like

[01:24:36] jungle book characters yeah i suspect poncho and you know panchito and all that stuff will be there

[01:24:41] yeah it's in the style of what alabrije is that the yeah right so it's a carousel they have one

[01:24:47] there now it's the the the triceratops spin right probably be in the same general vicinity

[01:24:54] uh but then they're gonna have casita which i'm excited about step inside family madrigal's casita

[01:25:00] the first ever encanto inspired ride takes place with antonio after he just received his gift

[01:25:05] so maribel's worst day and his room has just turned into a rainforest uh join antonio as he

[01:25:14] explores his new room as you may bump into other family members the casita will be the show building

[01:25:20] or the the facade will be interact interactive it'll be alive windows will shutter things will

[01:25:28] happen it'll be kinetic energy like you know the wicked queen coming out of snow white on steroids you

[01:25:34] know things will be happening in the in that house she's jacked when she does that yeah um but but

[01:25:41] it'll be fun kinetic energy it'll be a fun uh boat ride through or no it's going to be more of a

[01:25:48] omni mover i think are there animals it's animal kingdom there are animals that is his gift is to be

[01:25:56] able to talk to animals right um i think it's gonna be a mystic manner and i'm not saying that in a

[01:26:02] critical way i agree that's that's the same theory i subscribe to i like that same basic elements that

[01:26:08] that sort of thing i think dalin talked about that um but yeah i think so i don't know what you're

[01:26:13] talking about so i say i'm gonna move a trackless ride system something like that but there will be

[01:26:19] animals that is his gift that's how they shoehorn that thing into animal kingdom and then get ready

[01:26:24] for a new indie adventure indiana jones has heard rumors of a mythical creature deep in the

[01:26:30] ancient mayan temple so of course he wants to explore it the ride will feature an original story

[01:26:36] not confirmed snakes the temple of maya

[01:26:42] that's right

[01:26:45] and everything the pre-show is the same sala is there and you don't look at his lips

[01:26:53] if you look at his lips you're in trouble

[01:27:01] i like that yes i like that a lot uh but yeah it seems that okay it's gonna be in phases uh dinosaur

[01:27:10] is gonna be the last to close i mean dino land's already effectively shut down they're gonna take

[01:27:15] away the boneyard i don't know what they're gonna do about that having a kids interactive area that

[01:27:19] would be really fun you gotta do something they do something uh but the casita were really fun

[01:27:24] i could see them doing something with the casita like the front part maybe have the kids play along

[01:27:29] with like they may be a play area there yeah yeah give them coffee like that one kid or they just

[01:27:35] look at each other that's right that one kid um but i'm excited about it it's gonna be good

[01:27:41] it's opening 2027 they're breaking ground it's it's a thing all right steve tyler agrees

[01:27:46] i love that idea dan what else you got i don't know that i love dinosaur going away

[01:27:56] i mean huh nobody cares nobody cares nobody cares but one of the things that they had

[01:28:02] one of the things that dinosaur has on nd is it's actually scary and i hope that they can maintain

[01:28:10] that is i guess the main point they can just leave all the lights off like they do now yeah just don't

[01:28:17] pay the electricity that's right just shut it i i hear a voice that doesn't sound anything like

[01:28:22] harrison ford that must be indiana jones hey i'm a dinosaur now um let's see what else do we have oh

[01:28:29] the infinity defense um which is gonna be a thing let's see what they have previously announced

[01:28:36] multiverse attraction starring king thanos opening with avengers campus at california which will be

[01:28:40] called avengers infinity defense the attraction will transport riders to wakanda new york city

[01:28:46] and asgard and construction begins in 2025 that is according to our friends at attractions magazine

[01:28:51] don't forget to subscribe today to attractions magazine um i i don't know i mean look i don't care

[01:29:03] about marvel anymore i just i'm just being honest marvel uh what's that oh i said neither is marvel it

[01:29:14] would seem yeah i mean i guess the speculation is it's going to be similar to the spider-man

[01:29:23] ride experience at universal yeah the guy who created that experience is scott trowbridge and

[01:29:30] he's in charge of this ride too yeah there you go so i mean hopefully like real fire and stuff that'd

[01:29:35] be really cool um i would imagine 3d glasses are going to probably be involved um so it's like screen

[01:29:44] ride yeah it's a it's a screen it's a screen ride that is also a ride which is i'm not opposed to

[01:29:51] spider-man transformers yeah uh i think it'll it'll be interesting to i mean they have a similar

[01:29:58] thing with peter pan in another another park i forget where it's okay right tokyo yeah it's okay

[01:30:06] yeah um so i don't know i i think probably net positive i don't see how they screw this up but

[01:30:13] then again they can um i hope it's not too fuster clucky like uh web slingers is like when i read the

[01:30:27] whole like you're gonna go here and here and here i'm like that's a lot and it kind of gonna be

[01:30:33] just like you do with spider-man if you recall you kind of go from different parts of the city you get

[01:30:39] you get zapped and transported i think is what's going to happen you're going to go through tony

[01:30:43] stark's um i forget what it's called that little contraption that the time warp thing yeah so you it's the

[01:30:50] um anyway you're gonna get through that obviously if there's king thanos you've got to go somewhere

[01:30:57] yeah in the multiverse yeah it's a multiverse that we're kind of abandoning anyway but yeah yeah but it

[01:31:04] also frees up a lot of evolutions of story in different locations because it is screen-based

[01:31:10] all right everybody get

[01:31:12] but it will be interesting to see how disney handles that ride system yeah because universal is

[01:31:18] is is always something spitting on you there's a screen and there's fire like that's that's what it

[01:31:24] is there's fire there's screens and there's water like i'm saying they do i'm saying honestly disney

[01:31:30] you know i understand you're in competition in some sense why not use the the good ideas

[01:31:38] you know instead of like forcing yourself to make bad ideas in response to the good ideas just

[01:31:46] have the real fire have the thing have the have the dogs it's been a while since the dog has sneezed

[01:31:51] on me right like it's true let's bring it back uh yeah i mean they don't have a lot of space i think

[01:31:58] it it's it's a it'll be a good it'll be a good ride yeah they have just enough space and eric you

[01:32:05] said something before uh avengers campus currently has two attractions and they will now have four

[01:32:10] what's the what's the non-web guardians mission breakout is oh that's right oh that one the

[01:32:17] one that people like okay it was gerrymandered gerrymandered attraction uh so sorry sorry fans

[01:32:26] speaking of which gerrymandering well there's been a lot of that so far in this conversation

[01:32:35] um monsters inc land all right there is we got so places the i have an unrelated idea to that okay

[01:32:46] i just want to say so when you see something in a movie that makes you think let's make a ride

[01:32:55] where you're doing that thing you could also just make a ride that captures the feeling of that scene

[01:33:01] rather than making it about that scene just a straight thought i had what's the point oh he's

[01:33:08] just talking about uh spider-man yeah yeah um if you look at a geographical map of hollywood

[01:33:19] studios you are somewhat landlocked by roads but there is also a very large parking lot that is never full

[01:33:29] very large the skyliner helps with a lot of traffic buses obviously you could walk from the epcot resort

[01:33:38] area the friendships etc the parking lot is never full there's a lot of geography in that parking lot

[01:33:46] to expand the size of galaxy's edge you have about 13 to 15 acres of parking lot that would not be missed

[01:33:53] you could expand beyond monsters inc so monsters inc based on the concept art and an inverted roller coaster

[01:34:05] very first disney built inverted roller coaster uh suspended excuse me suspended roller coaster there

[01:34:12] you go okay uh through the the door thing they've been talking about for 20 years

[01:34:17] um could not fit in the animation courtyard it could not fit in the launch bay area it just couldn't fit

[01:34:25] there even if you ripped out the old animation building or the uh staff parking garage yes there's a lot of

[01:34:34] support buildings you could put that's correct okay uh you could get rid of the cars thing there's land

[01:34:39] back there uh it doesn't really fit in the hollywood thing nobody to the point about the cars thing so far

[01:34:45] nobody cares about theming anymore anyway uh all money is going on the uh muppets so you could keep the

[01:34:55] muppets in the muppets courtyard and expand into the parking lot to have its own monsters land there have

[01:35:02] been letters there have been responses to letters saying you know walt disney said disneyland on me to

[01:35:07] never be complete blah blah blah we we take our you know our our loyal fans into account but sometimes

[01:35:16] we disappoint them uh you don't i mean there's no room for monsters land in just muppets courtyard

[01:35:25] anyway right unless you took out star tours and muppets land you could fit this land in there

[01:35:34] knowing that there's no reason for star tours to be there anymore um they're the muppets thing yes

[01:35:42] it's beloved it was jim henson's last thing i get it but nobody goes it's it's mostly empty

[01:35:50] email address again

[01:35:53] no i jason it ears up that's right i find it interesting yeah it it wouldn't be the end of the

[01:36:02] world if if we lost muppets 3d that's not what i've heard well star tours is i mean why why remove two

[01:36:11] attractions to put in one i think why remove any if you just expand out in the parking lot that's fair

[01:36:18] as well there's no space there's no space at disney world well there's a lot of parking you have to get

[01:36:25] rid of something um i don't so i think what will end up happening is they're going to expand into the

[01:36:32] parking lot period okay whether they sacrifice muppets or not remains to be seen um but muppets

[01:36:40] or excuse me monsters in clan is going to be cool uh suspended roller coaster meet the characters

[01:36:46] monstropolis disney does a really good job at uh you know immersive theming environments etc it's

[01:36:52] going to be fun uh it is tentatively uh project will begin in 2025 so we will know very quickly

[01:37:00] whether or not muppets is on the chopping block but that's again nobody goes um uh considering that

[01:37:08] we've never uh that that you two were uh i'm just gonna say it you're far too lazy to determine which

[01:37:15] star tours was better uh which which one was supreme um i i can't i i mean i'd like to cast my vote and

[01:37:25] say that uh the hollywood studios version is supreme and um that means it it might deserve a little bit

[01:37:32] of extra protection but i don't know um they still need you're gonna keep star tours connected to

[01:37:42] galaxy's edge no they're not gonna do it i i think that they i think they're going to keep it there

[01:37:47] just to spite us because that's what they do and i think that i i also think that they're gonna keep

[01:37:54] pizza rizzo and get rid of muppet vision 3d oh my god can you imagine oh no that would be the worst

[01:38:01] crime of all the rest of the area they're gonna do it um mama melrose is yeah i have a perfect tie-in

[01:38:09] perfect tie-in dan what is the character's name of that little muppet who's just like crazy and he's

[01:38:19] like animal animal damn it i thought his name was monster never mind that would work but i was gonna

[01:38:27] say they could tie in animal monsters they they could they could seamlessly blend the two there's a way to do

[01:38:35] it i agree i think that so i don't disagree with any of it i don't really care to be honest about a

[01:38:41] lot of disney world but i also think that like i don't know why you have this muppet muppets property

[01:38:49] and like continue to actively not do anything with it like that's that's fair the last thing that they

[01:38:57] did that was interesting was in the magic kingdom well to be fair the last thing they did with it was

[01:39:01] interesting was the documentary that ron howard directed but that was really more of a jim henson

[01:39:06] thing than anything and i think it kind of like i think it kind of goes to maybe the laziness of the

[01:39:14] creative not creative team the executive team that then gives the creative team their orders which is

[01:39:20] like you have these hard to manage themes like what's a studio park what do you do with it uh what

[01:39:26] the hell's an california park what do you do what's the california park what the hell is an epcot you

[01:39:31] know animal kingdom's message is not inherently based on something profitable what do we do with it

[01:39:36] you know like i think muppets is kind of like that it's like well okay here's this cool thing with this

[01:39:44] cool guy and the closer we get to it the more it feels like like living in a commune or something which

[01:39:53] is fine i'm all for that but like i think it's i think there's a lack of imagination there where

[01:39:59] they're just like what do we do with the muppets well you know ted over and you know the economic

[01:40:07] whatever office couldn't come up with anything so i guess nothing um ted in finance they're asking

[01:40:14] ted from finance about this my goodness that guy yeah a couple of good ideas the least the least

[01:40:20] creative person in the least creative office couldn't come up with an answer to a creative

[01:40:24] problem so i guess no answer exists um because it remains to be seen they're gonna have to they're

[01:40:31] gonna have to bump out in the parking lot either way yeah yeah most most likely it's i don't know it

[01:40:37] just feels like the same problem that star trek seems to have which is like the closer you get to the

[01:40:42] original intent the harder it is to ignore the idealism behind it which is like boring

[01:40:47] but that's the challenge that's what makes it fun and creative is embracing that and being like

[01:40:52] it's not boring this time because blah blah blah you know um i don't know i think the monsters thing

[01:40:59] sure why not let's have it i i think that that scene is cool it's fun i suspect it's going to end up

[01:41:08] being better as an idea than it is as a ride like i think the ride itself is going to be fine but i think

[01:41:13] the idea will get lost it won't be a thrill coaster it's in the laugh floor not the scare floor right

[01:41:20] so how to figure that you still have to get doors to get to kids rooms to tell them jokes

[01:41:25] right uh so how they're getting but it's not going to be a thrill coaster

[01:41:30] when was the last time either of you went to monsters inc laugh floor 10 years the last time i was

[01:41:38] there which was probably 10 years ago okay i think it was with you jimmy yeah what no i take that back

[01:41:44] the last time i went was the halloween party last last fall when it was a nightclub you know they uh

[01:41:50] they were doing halloween theme jokey things but it was also how you get candy uh genuine question

[01:41:57] because i'm not my finger isn't on the pulse of this is monsters that popular as far as i'm aware

[01:42:04] like the monsters university hat is one of the is consistently one of the best um merchandise

[01:42:14] offerings that they've got like they they are constantly selling those hats even though it just

[01:42:21] occurred to me that that's why we're getting this is because the disney company that mickey mouse was

[01:42:28] the single most popular stuffed animal character in paris france in the 90s so they thought oh they'll

[01:42:37] love disneyland of course which they did didn't pay off famously they do now um and there has been a

[01:42:44] a monsters at first their answer was series but now it's queen queen nice all right what else we got

[01:42:53] who else who else has something new coming to a park uh let's see over at disneyland's uh epcot center

[01:43:01] we're gonna have lounges wait a minute um well first of all zootopia a new show zootopia better

[01:43:11] zoo gather will open in winter of 2025 that's next year everybody uh at disney's animal kingdom

[01:43:19] so it's in the tree okay uh in it you'll visit different biomes from the film along along with

[01:43:28] judy hopps nick wilde and other characters from the movie uh to to quote dalen uh keep it scary

[01:43:35] if you're gonna take out tough to be a bug if you're saying to hell with joe rody's original idea

[01:43:42] um make it fun and thrilling a little scary a little uncomfortable for adults will any anything

[01:43:46] fart on you it's gonna be probably i'm telling you it's gonna be a concert with uh giselle or

[01:43:53] whatever her name was that's all it's gonna be shakira shakira no oh no oh god i just it's gonna oh

[01:44:04] i can't i can supreme out any of your words no it's more fun if i edit it myself it's gonna be

[01:44:12] it's gonna be the same it's the same it's gonna be the same format it's gonna be the same show it's

[01:44:17] gonna be it's not gonna be a bug but it's gonna be we're all waiting for the headliner and it's

[01:44:23] gonna be little little acts of like here's me doing a song that's how why it's funny to be a goat and

[01:44:29] it's gonna be like i don't know like goat in usa or something it's gonna be like bad it's just gonna

[01:44:36] be like hey and now and now we're this hat now it's time for a big scary lion oh no and it's just

[01:44:43] gonna be like really sensitive and sweet and singing about how you know maybe even like he

[01:44:48] the lion might even sing it's tough to be a bug and he has friends that are bugs he's covered in lady

[01:44:54] bugs like robert f kennedy jr or something carnivore yeah oh yeah there's gonna be that it's gonna be

[01:45:00] straight up that thing and it's gonna be like oh now it's time for giselle but like she's late or

[01:45:05] doesn't make it or something and then like like they're and they're gonna use the hopper animatronic

[01:45:11] arm for something that's gonna be like some villain you remember in the movie um the villain quote

[01:45:20] unquote the villains were the um carnivores what do they call them the uh the predators oh no no i just

[01:45:28] landed on it injected with this flower that made them all and killed yeah that's gonna be

[01:45:35] involved but they're gonna be tiny things that poke you in the back because they want to keep

[01:45:39] that and then i just landed on it oh god why does my brain work like this uh okay it's gonna be

[01:45:46] the chief of police has hesitantly hosting a talent contest oh and they're all gonna be showing

[01:45:54] or or like some kind of a it's gonna or no it's gonna be this it's gonna be something it's gonna be bad

[01:46:03] i just know it's gonna be bad because i know it's really i know it's gonna end up being about we're

[01:46:10] gonna go see giselle at a concert and it's gonna suck i think it's gonna be judy hops and nick wild

[01:46:16] giving you a tour of zootopia they're gonna take you all the different biomes and see the world i

[01:46:23] think to your point dan there's gonna be a little bit of like maybe a jump scare a pokey in the back

[01:46:27] thing they're gonna keep the the mechanics of the the show but it's gonna be a tour through zootopia

[01:46:34] i think it's gonna be a tour zootopia through song and they're gonna and they're gonna sing

[01:46:40] over the songs are gonna be over exposit over expository probably

[01:46:49] these are very specific takes all right what else we got all right uh pirates lounge coming 2025

[01:46:55] ladies and gentlemen uh we got another new look at the pirates of the caribbean themed lounge coming

[01:47:01] to magic kingdom 2025 looks located in adventure land and we'll extend the story from the iconic

[01:47:08] ride drink up me hearty yo ho is this tortuga tavern yeah alcohol in the magic kingdom

[01:47:16] yep we're doing it beyond sitting down at a restaurant having beer and wine this is a bar

[01:47:25] yeah yeah seems like it i'm okay i'm okay with that i just yeah it's

[01:47:33] i think it all i think i think we're not and fresh baked david said this a couple years ago we're not

[01:47:38] far away from like beer carts in the parks well they already have them but you're talking about the

[01:47:46] castle park the castle park yeah yeah the the the two yeah yeah yeah why not yeah i mean it's kind

[01:47:54] of fitting you have the walt disney animatronic man it's like i i have a beer in his hand

[01:48:04] and you could you could change the sponsor dan it could the next show is still light i forgot to

[01:48:10] mention there i think that a problem i foresee with the walt disney animatronic is too many people are

[01:48:17] going to want to get their picture taken with it oh yeah no doubt wouldn't you no i don't care

[01:48:26] at the end of the show when it's america right i mean golden wings dan just great if they kept that song

[01:48:34] too i would love it i want abe and walt to hug i think that they should sing a duet they should sing

[01:48:40] two brothers they shake hands just like at the end of uh the american adventure that's right yeah no i i

[01:48:48] i this the the vibe i got from this year's d23 was first of all apparently you need a musical act

[01:48:58] between everything that's right and second i think that this was kind of them going like yeah okay let's

[01:49:07] break the seal on a couple things we got the walt animatronic we have the we're gonna blow up rivers

[01:49:12] of america you know we're gonna make some decisions that you know maybe our people maybe some people

[01:49:20] won't like and i apologize for the background noise um but i you know like it's i think this is the year

[01:49:29] of we're gonna break some eggs and make some omelets you know here here all right and perhaps you can do

[01:49:37] that in the spaceship earth lounge i was gonna say you got a little more not the not the only lounge

[01:49:45] that's in the works next year a lounge based on spaceship earth is coming to epcot in what is presumably

[01:49:50] the sponsor lounge which is currently well semen's uh is now it's gonna be a bar overlooking i think

[01:49:58] this is their way of kind of replacing that big circular tower that they originally had announced at

[01:50:04] the last d23 that didn't happen uh-huh um i don't know if they're gonna do any like you know

[01:50:09] sponsor a festival stuff there but it's gonna be a bar that overlooks the epcot i'm sure

[01:50:15] it'll be cool dan is very pleased he likes this idea sponsorship opportunities i think they're done

[01:50:22] yeah i think that's right they're gonna make money elsewhere right which sponsor which sponsors them

[01:50:28] semen's anything else people that ties up uh disney world's announcements dan they didn't announce

[01:50:39] that much for disney land i'm sure you're i'm assuming you're close to done let me look back here

[01:50:46] let's see disneyland uh was built in 1955 by michael eisner and uh then walt disney came

[01:50:54] all right thank you ai all right we're done and let's see what else so eric you know what who's your

[01:51:03] verdict you know who wins everybody yeah we win we the park going public win and that's where i was

[01:51:13] going all along with this i i don't there's there's some stuff that people are going to be upset about

[01:51:19] i don't think they'll be upset for too long i i even even if we lose like rivers of america i i've

[01:51:30] already said i don't particularly care if we lose it uh muppets 3d you know what if we lose it it's

[01:51:36] fine it's old yeah people don't go there it's another one of those things that people don't

[01:51:42] visit and hey we got a new a new country bears some some of these old things are still going

[01:51:49] um and other things are going to be replaced and and you come in whatever i think i ultimately

[01:51:56] i think we're good this is this is something new this is something that is different it's

[01:52:02] interesting we're we're moving forward without i mean it's it's bold it's it's different it's

[01:52:11] something that is is taking what we have and expanding upon it without uh needing to create a fifth gate

[01:52:19] in walt disney world without necessarily needing to create that third gate in disneyland jumping

[01:52:24] forward into that arena i i think uh i think we're in a good spot here gentlemen i agree i agree i think

[01:52:33] we all win i think we're getting but as far as announcements go disney world i mean i mean

[01:52:41] disney world disney world i would say probably wins because there are more things being announced

[01:52:47] and there are older things yeah i mean but disneyland already we already know what's going to happen at

[01:52:53] disneyland disney world it certainly has the the more announcements but like they need they've

[01:53:01] needed a nighttime parade for a long time yeah yeah they're they're getting rid of some things that

[01:53:06] some people will find very upsetting um i think i honestly think it's about net even i think i i mean

[01:53:15] accounting for the that they they're just different sizes to begin with um yeah i mean so so disney world

[01:53:24] needs more stuff um it's big yeah but we've talked about before and having recently experienced

[01:53:31] disneyland a couple of times there's just so much to do there and you know when you can go on 26 rides in

[01:53:39] a day and and not leave effectively not leave epcot the size of epcot um you just can't do that to disney

[01:53:50] world if you did 26 rides at disney world that's like everything like this is just and you'd have to

[01:53:55] spend all day non-stop and miles and miles of travel and they just need it they need more stuff and i

[01:54:03] don't really think they're really losing anything again rivers of america and island don't take up

[01:54:08] people right they're gonna they're expanding with the the villain's land and the car stuff you you the

[01:54:15] capacity is going to increase by arguably 20 right even losing muppet vision you're not really losing

[01:54:24] capacity it's space people don't really go there yeah but it goes i agree with what you're saying

[01:54:30] and it goes back to that idealist thing that i stupidly hold on to which is like you don't need

[01:54:39] to lose anything you can just build another thing and yeah maybe your road is in the way but you own

[01:54:46] that road yeah you know i don't know i get what you're saying like especially at walt disney world

[01:54:52] where they can they do have more space but how much can you expect a human being to walk around

[01:54:59] you know at what point do you need a bus to go from one side of hollywood studios to the other

[01:55:05] like i but that and maybe this is just comes back to how i approached disney world years ago when i

[01:55:13] visited the visited the first time is it's like what if disney world did that did have that amount of

[01:55:19] density in that space it would be amazing it'd be mind-blowing people would like it it'd be

[01:55:26] unquestionably one of the greatest places ever um they don't need to yeah i'm sure the bean counters

[01:55:33] have counted those beans and they say oh we don't need that much yeah and i understand i understand

[01:55:41] that the bean counter i understand that we live in the world that we live in that that's totally

[01:55:45] fine i i get that i am a materialist i i understand that however

[01:55:52] i i i have impossible standards hence my politics

[01:55:58] um but yeah i think ultimately eric um you know i don't i i think you're right you know at the end

[01:56:06] of the day maybe it's a net net for everybody which again defeated the whole point of our take but

[01:56:10] um yeah i ruined our show no i think how about this let's give it to disney world because some of the

[01:56:19] fans need it right now yeah maybe that so in closing from my end uh my closing arguments are

[01:56:27] i think if they actually do villains land that is what i'm singly most excited about because it's so

[01:56:35] different such a departure how are they going to handle it is it going to be scary is you know

[01:56:40] because at night it just look it would look really cool um how they handle villains land

[01:56:46] is the thing i'm single most excited about the second thing i'm most excited about is walt disney's

[01:56:51] animatronic huh wow again for the reason of how are they going to handle it uh a revered

[01:56:58] a revered historical figure not unlike ape lincoln i'm obviously famous for different things but um

[01:57:06] right it's just it's just such a unique idea and how they handle that will be really interesting

[01:57:11] those those are the two things i'm most excited about dan what are your your top two

[01:57:17] let's go this way i'm excited actually about the coco ride okay mainly because disney's california

[01:57:26] adventure needs animatronic rides and every time i go to disney's i i i don't know why i keep i

[01:57:38] usually just call it dca but in this conversation i keep going i keep going to call it disneyland

[01:57:42] um every time i go to dca i find myself thinking i want to go on a boat ride for some reason but

[01:57:50] they don't have one i mean they have grizzly river rapids but i don't want to get wet you know we do

[01:57:55] need more boat rides that's a fair i mean boat rides are good they're they're fun you know like it's a

[01:58:00] nice way to convey people around and i think that you know uh they definitely need a high capacity ride

[01:58:07] i think that'll help with that um so all for all those races and also just curiosity of how they're

[01:58:13] going to handle it um i i am excited to see that uh i suspect i will enjoy the avengers ride but i don't

[01:58:23] really care um i think well i think the walt disney robot mainly because i hope i hope they do it well

[01:58:36] i think they probably will they probably will i'm aware of how they could do it wrong and

[01:58:42] at the same time for content i am looking forward to that being hilarious and talking about that

[01:58:49] so it's kind of a win-win for me okay for my part uh yeah villains land uh definitely and then um avatar

[01:59:01] at dca what are the odds that all of this has been built or has broken ground and i say all of this

[01:59:15] i think there were 23 announcements with within the five years that they within the five years

[01:59:23] yeah so let's say august of 2029 will all of this have been broken ground or built no way

[01:59:32] i think i think villains land is going to be the outlier with time because i think they're going

[01:59:36] to really sit on their hands waiting to see what happens with epic universe i think that's a good

[01:59:41] a good and if the epics universe monsters thing is a bust i don't think they do it oh

[01:59:48] oh that's some stakes right there or hey we'll show you how to do it right i think that that's the

[01:59:54] idea and i think that or if it's successful frankenstein then villains land oh geez i mean

[02:00:03] it's not sure that's it's it's open actual yeah how old is it it's it's i was gonna say i'm sure

[02:00:10] that's public domain by now yeah it is dracula you know what the universal can do the same damn thing

[02:00:16] put steamboat steamboat willy into monsters land a blood willy we see your phantom of the opera and

[02:00:25] we'll raise you a steamboat willy i hope villains land just does some obscure things too like the

[02:00:30] weird villain from uh rescuers that'd be cool medusa yeah radigan yeah oh radigan nice the guy from

[02:00:38] uh pocahontas you mean john smith the colonizer no no the other villain oh the governor whatever

[02:00:47] that was a raccoon um i i yeah i i hope it has some random element to it but isn't too much of a

[02:00:57] character dump you know it'd be fun yep all right eric take us out i think we're doing all right here

[02:01:03] regardless so i have this to say rabies from hold yeller that could be a villain you just talked

[02:01:11] over my casey jr all aboard let's go let's go sorry you're saving that too i was i'm sorry i was too

[02:01:18] delighted by the idea of dan out of this episode all together just me and jimmy having a conversation

[02:01:26] eric to that end uh i had a great conversation with heather yesterday where she booked at

[02:01:33] nine night 10 day trip to walt disney world this december with she and her family when they use

[02:01:40] concierge they are listeners of the ears up podcast network and uh yeah it's i'm very excited they're

[02:01:47] they're they were going to go to riverside port arlenes riverside because they like it

[02:01:51] and we i talked her through just sort of the pros and cons of all the different resorts

[02:01:56] we're looking at some price sensitivity they have five people so you can't really go just anywhere with

[02:02:02] five people so okay kind of the all-stars were out and that sort of thing because they don't fit five

[02:02:08] people so you're kind of limited to where you could stay uh at the end we decided on caribbean beach

[02:02:13] okay the reason why is you could still do a fifth sleeper and you're right there on the skyliner

[02:02:19] yeah it ended up being about 30 a day more but what we talked about is if you want to go to epcot

[02:02:26] get on the skyliner you don't have to transfer you just get on that's the hub of the skyliner

[02:02:30] you're there in a few minutes you want to go to hollywood studios get on the skyliner you're there

[02:02:33] in a few minutes if you're staying at the riverside you have no choice but getting on a bus

[02:02:39] to go anywhere yeah except disney springs you can get on a boat great certainly can't go wrong

[02:02:47] but if we're talking about 30 a day the first time you spend 12 hours at the manager king or

[02:02:53] let's say 12 hours at hollywood studios or 10 hours to hollywood studios and then you leave with

[02:02:59] 20 000 other people and you sit there for 30 minutes to wait for that bus then you have to stand in

[02:03:05] the bus to get to your hotel that hour of time that you would take rather than just getting on the

[02:03:11] skyliner well yeah maybe you have to wait a couple minutes to to get on but it's constantly moving

[02:03:16] loading people and the first stop is your hotel um it's worth that 30 a day so that's what they end

[02:03:24] up deciding and that's what we can offer you with concierge is that expertise and that personal

[02:03:29] experience to cater to your needs but i'm excited for them they're going for 10 days and they got

[02:03:33] park hoppers and uh it's gonna be fun all right that sounds tremendous i yeah i would love that dan i

[02:03:41] can't wait to uh i would love if i was there when you experienced the skyliner for the first time

[02:03:48] just saying it's it's the absolute best um and hey if you like listening to and what's that to do

[02:03:55] that we can call 856 our ears oh yes 856 our ears go to concierge.com um i mean honestly i've just

[02:04:02] talked to either one of you but just call jan you're you're a you're a uh you're an honorary concierge at

[02:04:07] this point and i think we're talking about february of 2025 for our next get together so mark your

[02:04:13] calendar all right all right okay in my room oh all right well if you hold on if you you'd like to

[02:04:27] sleep in jimmy's room please join us in february uh those of you who nice um those of you who uh like

[02:04:36] listening to shows about things uh we've got ears up it's a show that is about things mostly disneyland

[02:04:43] things and uh little disney parks history like studio history that sort of stuff we've got uh

[02:04:52] bantha milk they talk about the star wars we have puny pod who just released three whole episodes

[02:05:02] about black panther uh the the marvel movie that is dan dan's got a look on his face oh yeah sorry

[02:05:12] yeah um i thought they were talking about the political movement oh no no not at all maybe it

[02:05:17] is i haven't listened to all three yet because i mean either way i'm in i'm in full support okay

[02:05:23] there we go um and uh yeah we've got scraping the vault that uh does uh movies that are direct to

[02:05:32] your vcr it still exists yeah we we've not been great about recording well it's my favorite podcast so

[02:05:42] get back on that and uh then we've got our new show buena vista boys where jason and matt do shows

[02:05:51] about the live action disney movies from the 60s uh they and let me let me guess i haven't listened

[02:05:59] yet uh-huh they talk about these movies but jason refuses to watch them but can still reserve his

[02:06:06] opinion wow no it certainly sounds like he has watched them yeah for now yeah he also used to go to

[02:06:15] disneyland whoa sorry all right um uh listeners please uh add us if you if you haven't already done

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[02:06:37] allowed to talk about hub crawl right i could talk about oh i can talk about hub crawl yeah oh yes

[02:06:41] you can also talk about that other thing that we do that other thing that we do the hub crawl um

[02:06:46] it it has a very um it sounds like a show that's about booze and its initials are thc so it sounds

[02:06:54] like a show about weed but it is neither it's me and my friend tag and we invite guests on the show to

[02:07:00] talk about anything disney related we each have we each bring a question it's fun uh we usually talk for

[02:07:07] way too long and if you are on weed it makes it more enjoyable oh okay good to know and um i also do this

[02:07:18] show with a guy i know named dan um i've never met him in in real life and we talk about david bowie

[02:07:25] it's uh called bowie splaining and uh yeah we've got a show about young uh the the album young americans

[02:07:32] that comes out tomorrow uh whenever you're listening to this it comes out tomorrow

[02:07:40] impressive it's like tron the ride right and uh yeah we just go through david bowie

[02:07:46] things because i don't know anything about the guy and i i think i kind of like his music

[02:07:50] at this point i think you might um so yeah there we go all right well thanks everybody for listening

[02:07:57] are there any other shows that i've missed uh thank you for shaking your head wtf with mark

[02:08:05] maron uh yeah yeah listen to wtf um who don't listen to joe rogan um i mean do but keep in mind that

[02:08:15] people you talk to tend to be psychopaths okay maybe yeah you know what you can listen to him it's fine

[02:08:21] i'm not going to tell you not to listen to him um even though i already did um i just never i've

[02:08:27] never listened to it i don't know what he's up he's about um yeah uh there are other podcasts

[02:08:33] telling it like it is and asking questions okay there are plenty of podcasts out there please

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