Fox and the Hound 2

[00:00:00] You're about to see something truly terrifying. That's a fox sneaking up on a woman in her front yard.

[00:00:06] From this angle you can see the attack. She kicks the fox over and over, but the animal keeps coming back.

[00:00:13] It's biting her legs and scratching her arms as she tries to break free.

[00:00:17] The more I tried to get him to leave me alone, the more voraciously he came after me.

[00:00:24] He just wouldn't stop and my fear was that he was going to trip me up and I would fall and he would attack my face.

[00:00:32] The fox won't give up.

[00:00:34] He latched into the fatty part of your hand right between your thumb and your forefinger with all of his might

[00:00:40] and he held on and I tried to rip him off, I tried to swing him off.

[00:00:45] But then her neighbor shows up with a stick and at last the fox retreats.

[00:00:51] I will be grateful to him for the rest of my life and I just thank God that he heard me.

[00:00:56] Did it ever cross your mind that the fox might have rabies?

[00:00:59] It did Megan after the third or fourth approach from the fox because he was so persistent.

[00:01:06] Sure enough, the fox was later caught and it tested positive for rabies.

[00:01:11] Sherry Russo was treated right away and so far she says she's showing no signs that she contracted rabies.

[00:01:17] Rabies is a viral disease that is almost always fatal if not treated immediately.

[00:01:22] If you get bitten or even scratched by a rabid animal, you need to go immediately to the doctor.

[00:01:27] Sherry is going to be fine but what a traumatic experience.

[00:01:32] It felt like it was going to last forever.

[00:01:41] From the ashes of a regularly scheduled release schedule.

[00:01:46] From the ashes of the budding romance between two old neighbors.

[00:02:00] It's scraping the vault.

[00:02:02] Nailed it.

[00:02:04] Thank you.

[00:02:06] I'm Jimmy, I'm one of your hosts right along, oh this is a podcast, we do straight to video Disney sequels.

[00:02:13] Most of the time and unless we don't, in which case we don't release anything.

[00:02:20] I'm Jimmy, I'm one of your hosts.

[00:02:21] I'm joined as always with Audrey.

[00:02:24] Hey.

[00:02:26] There she is and we also have Dan.

[00:02:30] I'm Dan, I forgot if I say anything here.

[00:02:32] I don't think I do.

[00:02:33] I do on the other one right?

[00:02:34] The other one, I'm confused myself.

[00:02:35] I usually say something.

[00:02:37] This remains a podcast about straight to video Disney sequels.

[00:02:42] This time we watched Fox and the Hound 2.

[00:02:49] That's all I have to say so somebody else can say words.

[00:02:57] Hi, well we're back.

[00:03:01] Hey.

[00:03:01] Things have been happening.

[00:03:03] Regular listeners, you'll get the gist of what's been going on with us between all the shows.

[00:03:10] You're just going to get a picture of it I think.

[00:03:15] We watched Fox and the Hound 2.

[00:03:18] Yes we did.

[00:03:19] Jimmy watched Fox and the Hound and Fox and the Hound 2 also.

[00:03:24] Within 15 hours of each other.

[00:03:26] A consummate professional doing the hard hitting journalism.

[00:03:30] Thank you Audrey.

[00:03:31] You're welcome.

[00:03:32] I watched Fox and the Hound, I'd never seen it, didn't know a thing about it.

[00:03:35] It is a star-studded cast and can I say one of the From the Ashes I was going to

[00:03:39] think of is from the ashes of the original Walt Disney animation productions.

[00:03:45] This is kind of the end of it, right?

[00:03:48] You've got Ollie Johnson, Frank Thomas, you've got all the people, John Musker's in there.

[00:03:58] Like the old school people, Ron Miller was the producer for God's sake.

[00:04:03] Oh he gets such a big name.

[00:04:05] This is pre-Eisner, this movie, the original 1981.

[00:04:09] You had a young Kurt Russell, you had an older, what's his name?

[00:04:17] The guy who, Mickey Rooney?

[00:04:20] You had a young Corey Feldman?

[00:04:22] What?

[00:04:24] This is a star-studded cast of people who are like, oh it's a Walt Disney production

[00:04:32] when it meant something before Eisner, before Little Mermaid and this kind of

[00:04:37] end of the era of sorts but it's like had everybody in this thing.

[00:04:42] Pat Butrem and for those of you who don't know who Pat Butrem is,

[00:04:45] he's the guy who always sounds like, what does he sound like?

[00:04:53] The old Tex guy.

[00:04:58] That guy.

[00:05:00] Pat Butrem.

[00:05:02] Watch your face, Peter Pan.

[00:05:06] Mary Martin, no the other one with the glass eyes, Sandy Duncan.

[00:05:08] Yeah okay hold on.

[00:05:10] She has a glass eye?

[00:05:12] That's the sound of her tap with your eyeball.

[00:05:13] Did you prepare that because you knew I was going to say all these names?

[00:05:15] No it's for something else, I'm just giving away the-

[00:05:19] Audrey, protect your eyeball, that was good.

[00:05:24] So anyway, so I'm watching this, okay this is going to be freaking good,

[00:05:29] why have I not seen this movie?

[00:05:32] I don't know about this Dan, it's too much power.

[00:05:41] This is why I'm not allowed to give Asher the microphone ever.

[00:05:46] Oh my god so just sidebar before I continue my rant, we were at a baseball game for my

[00:05:53] somebody, 10 year old whatever and one of the kids is named Asher

[00:05:58] and one of the kids on the team was named Asher and I turn over to my 14 year old,

[00:06:01] I'm like I can never hear that name again.

[00:06:04] Every time they say his name I had to laugh.

[00:06:07] Do they enjoy the name also because I'm sure they have at least one Asher in their class?

[00:06:12] I'm sure.

[00:06:13] This is a less interesting story than yours, I was on the gram and I was watching some reels

[00:06:18] and some person was using the Asher voice to narrate their reel and I was just like-

[00:06:25] I don't know what you're talking about, I don't know what you're talking about Audrey.

[00:06:29] I'm sorry, they sounded exactly like Asher and I just wondered how-

[00:06:36] You mean they were a real and cool 10 year old child?

[00:06:40] Exactly and I just wondered what's going on with him these days, he's probably 12 now.

[00:06:47] No, he's still 10.

[00:06:49] Okay.

[00:06:55] So then it felt like the end of an era that you got all these famous people

[00:07:00] and then I watch it and it was like an animated nature film, so much of it.

[00:07:09] Mama Odie or what knows the big mama was Pearl Bailey was in this thing,

[00:07:14] like it's crazy. Anyway, this must be really good and it wasn't at all and it just was so slow

[00:07:24] that the fox's mom dies like the very-

[00:07:26] It's a very sad movie.

[00:07:28] Yeah and they're like, oh we're going to be best friends forever.

[00:07:31] Nope.

[00:07:31] And then in the spring or like the winter comes and the hound goes off, learns how to be

[00:07:37] a hunting dog comes back and they're not friends and then the movie ends like yeah,

[00:07:42] we'll be friends forever but we'll never talk again.

[00:07:44] It's Requiem for a Dream for Children.

[00:07:46] It's so bad.

[00:07:47] I mean-

[00:07:47] God.

[00:07:48] Yeah, maybe it was extreme.

[00:07:52] Then like the intimation-

[00:07:55] Because I enjoy getting my face shoved into the emotional gutter from time to time,

[00:08:01] I actually don't want to say enjoy or like Fox and the Hound. Actually let me put this

[00:08:08] another way. I saw it on its original release and I remember just like basically yeah,

[00:08:19] that Requiem for a Dream feeling where it's just like I've been on a journey

[00:08:24] and I just want to get asleep right now.

[00:08:28] Yeah.

[00:08:29] But it's done well.

[00:08:31] I mean, hold on. Let's get into-

[00:08:38] Oh, what was it about?

[00:08:40] I forgot how to do this thing. Whatever. It came out at the time it came out but I have-

[00:08:45] December 2006.

[00:08:46] Thank you. December 2006. I don't have a list from that year. I do however have a fun

[00:08:51] game for all of us. Those of you who are fans of Wheel of Clickbait Garbage.

[00:08:58] Well, this will be familiar to you. I have here a list of the 15 saddest Disney movies

[00:09:05] that are worth a good cry according to Collider.com. Now hold on. We have to

[00:09:12] start the game show music.

[00:09:14] Okay, sorry.

[00:09:15] All right. Here we go.

[00:09:17] Is this Sarah McLaughlin?

[00:09:19] Yes. All right. Jimmy, you guessed up.

[00:09:26] That's-

[00:09:26] That is correct. Can you guess what number it is on the list? Number one. You're saying

[00:09:34] number one. Hold on. Let me scroll, scroll, scroll. That is correct.

[00:09:41] Wow.

[00:09:41] All right. Audrey, you're next. So the way it works is you guess whether it's on the list.

[00:09:47] Oh, by the way, does Pixar count?

[00:09:49] Yes.

[00:09:50] Okay.

[00:09:51] Yeah. Yeah. You guess whether it's on the list and then finding Nemo. And then if you

[00:09:57] guess correctly, you guess where it is on the list. Let me see. Finding Nemo.

[00:10:03] I'm guessing it's-

[00:10:03] It's in there.

[00:10:04] Towards the bottom, like seven.

[00:10:07] I'd say it's probably three.

[00:10:09] Hold on. Hold on.

[00:10:11] There's 15 by the way, Audrey. Seven would be right.

[00:10:12] Oh, 15.

[00:10:13] 15. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:10:14] Okay. Yeah. Seven.

[00:10:16] Seven and a half actually. Technically be in the middle.

[00:10:19] Excuse me.

[00:10:20] Hold on. It is not on the list.

[00:10:22] What? Come on.

[00:10:23] So I'm going to burn from the bottom. Number 15, The Fox and the Hound.

[00:10:30] It wouldn't be totally unfair to claim Disney struggled to find much in the way

[00:10:33] of animated hits between their early era heyday and the Renaissance period.

[00:10:37] For many who watched the film's kit, it is best remembered for the harrowing scene

[00:10:41] in which the fox must be abandoned by the kindly farmer who raised him.

[00:10:45] Yes indeed. A mature contemplation on themes such as loss and friendship.

[00:10:50] This cute animated tale is one of the ultimate sad Disney movies,

[00:10:53] but it's worth all the heartache that comes with it.

[00:10:58] It got me at an age. Hold on. Jimmy's turn.

[00:11:02] It's not your turn, Audrey.

[00:11:05] I'd like to forego my time for Audrey.

[00:11:09] Okay. Audrey?

[00:11:10] Bimbo. I mean Dumbo. I mean Bambi.

[00:11:12] Bimbo.

[00:11:13] Bimbo.

[00:11:14] Bimbo.

[00:11:14] Wait, which one?

[00:11:15] Bimbo, the famous movie in which Bambi and Dumbo-

[00:11:18] No, Dumbo.

[00:11:19] No child.

[00:11:21] Go to an orphan's home together and start doing drugs.

[00:11:24] Dumbo.

[00:11:25] Hold on, which- Dumbo?

[00:11:27] Oh, I didn't want to delete the sound. It's on there.

[00:11:31] Okay.

[00:11:32] Hold on.

[00:11:32] Okay.

[00:11:32] Oh, you deleted the ding ding ding ding ding?

[00:11:34] No, it's back.

[00:11:37] There we go.

[00:11:38] What number?

[00:11:40] Four.

[00:11:42] Oh, that is incorrect. Jimmy has a chance to steal.

[00:11:46] Dumbo at number five.

[00:11:48] That's correct. Jimmy's played these games before.

[00:11:52] And you know what's number two?

[00:11:53] Damn it.

[00:11:53] Oh, Bambi.

[00:11:54] Shoot.

[00:11:56] Bambi is number two.

[00:11:57] Hold on.

[00:12:00] Bambi is of course on there, but Audrey, you have a chance to steal it.

[00:12:05] I just gotta find where it is.

[00:12:07] Number six.

[00:12:08] Is it not on this list?

[00:12:11] Okay. You said number six?

[00:12:12] Yes.

[00:12:16] It is, believe it or not, number 12.

[00:12:18] What?

[00:12:19] The life of the Faunus is played from childhood to adulthood with trials and tribulations that

[00:12:24] come with growing up in the forest. Again, as with clickbait nonsense, I'm not saying

[00:12:28] that this is correct. It's just what they've listed.

[00:12:32] Jimmy, your turn.

[00:12:34] I just guessed Bambi. It's actually Audrey's turn.

[00:12:37] Okay. Well, I forfeit my turn so Dan can go.

[00:12:41] I mean, Jimmy can go.

[00:12:42] Wait, Dan can't go.

[00:12:42] Sorry. Sorry.

[00:12:43] I know we have a lot of life.

[00:12:46] Okay, so sad movies. Bambi's on there.

[00:12:50] Dumbo is not on there?

[00:12:53] Dumbo is on there.

[00:12:53] No, Nemo was not on there.

[00:12:57] Dumbo is right there for you to guess because Bambi was the one that we just did.

[00:13:01] Oh, we did Dumbo before.

[00:13:02] Wait, what? I thought you said Dumbo was number four.

[00:13:05] Number three.

[00:13:06] I guessed it number three.

[00:13:06] Number five. No, you're right.

[00:13:07] Okay, sorry.

[00:13:08] Okay.

[00:13:09] So up's on there.

[00:13:10] Dumbo.

[00:13:11] Not Nemo.

[00:13:12] Bambi.

[00:13:14] I'm going to go with Hunchback of Notre Dame.

[00:13:16] Oh, hold on.

[00:13:18] That's not on there.

[00:13:18] It should be on there.

[00:13:20] What?

[00:13:20] Okay. And what number? What number is it?

[00:13:23] 14.

[00:13:27] Audrey, do you want to steal this point?

[00:13:29] Yes.

[00:13:29] What number is it?

[00:13:30] It's number eight.

[00:13:31] Okay. That is...

[00:13:35] It is number 10.

[00:13:36] And at the end of Sarah McLaughlin singing that sad song tells me to ride the time.

[00:13:41] Freedom off.

[00:13:42] Thanks for playing.

[00:13:43] Freedom off.

[00:13:44] Okay, number...

[00:13:47] Top to bottom.

[00:13:48] Okay.

[00:13:48] From the bottom.

[00:13:49] 14.

[00:13:49] From the bottom.

[00:13:50] Brother Bear.

[00:13:51] Okay.

[00:13:51] Really?

[00:13:52] 13. Big Hero 6.

[00:13:54] Number 12 we figured out was Bambi.

[00:13:58] 11 and Kanto.

[00:14:00] Number 10. Hunchback of Notre Dame.

[00:14:03] But I'm American so I'm going to call it Notre Dame.

[00:14:06] Number nine. The Lion King.

[00:14:08] Number eight. Lelouch and Stitch.

[00:14:10] Number seven. Coco.

[00:14:12] Number six. Moana.

[00:14:13] And number four.

[00:14:15] Number five. Dumbo.

[00:14:17] That's what that number looks like.

[00:14:18] Okay. Next we'll do shapes and colors.

[00:14:21] Number four is Wally.

[00:14:23] Number three is Inside Out.

[00:14:25] Number two. Toy Story 3.

[00:14:27] And as we found out, number one is Up.

[00:14:29] But if we're being honest...

[00:14:30] Toy Story 3.

[00:14:32] Go ahead.

[00:14:32] Yeah. If we're being honest though,

[00:14:36] Wally's probably the saddest of all because it's our future.

[00:14:43] Okay.

[00:14:45] This is the truest of stories.

[00:14:50] Anyway.

[00:14:51] Hey, wait.

[00:14:53] Talk more about Wally.

[00:14:54] I want to see what happens when we do this.

[00:14:55] Oh God.

[00:14:57] See, Wally explores the future of our society.

[00:15:01] We become more and more complacent

[00:15:04] and we allow technology to control our lives.

[00:15:10] We don't have to move around because machines will do it for us.

[00:15:17] As global conglomerates become larger and larger,

[00:15:21] they start to control everything we do

[00:15:24] and then eventually the machines have to clean up after our mess.

[00:15:29] And what happens if machines are left alone long enough?

[00:15:32] Will they become sentient?

[00:15:35] Will they feel?

[00:15:37] Will they buy?

[00:15:39] From Try and Save?

[00:15:44] Is that what it's called?

[00:15:45] Try and Save?

[00:15:46] That's what Simpson's...

[00:15:47] I think so.

[00:15:47] What's it called?

[00:15:48] I don't remember.

[00:15:49] It's Walmart.

[00:15:50] Everybody, it's Walmart.

[00:15:54] Wally world.

[00:15:55] Anyway, Fox and the Hound 2 not as sad.

[00:15:58] Buy and large.

[00:15:59] Thank you.

[00:16:00] I think so.

[00:16:00] Buy and large.

[00:16:03] That movie is sad.

[00:16:07] Fox and the Hound 2 not so sad?

[00:16:10] No.

[00:16:10] No, it's really not.

[00:16:13] It's really not.

[00:16:14] Pretty shallow.

[00:16:16] Yeah.

[00:16:18] I'd like to offer a few observations.

[00:16:22] If you find a sad dog sad, then this movie is sad.

[00:16:26] But the reason this dog is sad is that's sad.

[00:16:29] For a minute, for maybe 14 seconds or so.

[00:16:32] Literally 14 seconds, yeah.

[00:16:34] Yeah.

[00:16:35] This movie feels...

[00:16:36] Coulda-ble, by the way.

[00:16:37] It feels a lot to me like the later Hellraiser sequels where they just had another script

[00:16:43] and they're like, what if we just make this movie about someone or a situation that's really bad

[00:16:52] and then we'll play it out and at the end Pinhead shows up.

[00:16:56] Well, I'll do you one better, Dan.

[00:16:58] It's like a Die Hard sequel.

[00:17:01] You can't beat Die Hard.

[00:17:03] It sort of defined a genre.

[00:17:06] But then Die Hard with a Vengeance was not a Die Hard movie.

[00:17:09] It was called Simon Says and it did not have John McClane in it.

[00:17:13] They're like, hey, here's the script.

[00:17:14] Let's throw these characters in there because we know people will buy tickets.

[00:17:18] Fine film, by the way.

[00:17:19] I do want to say, by the way, before we get too far into this,

[00:17:23] I suspect that the movie would have been not good but enjoyable on some level

[00:17:33] if it was just, hey, singing dogs at the circus.

[00:17:37] Let's have fun with it.

[00:17:40] It's called All Dogs Go to Hell.

[00:17:42] Right. Something like that.

[00:17:43] But then they tack on the most weighted,

[00:17:50] the most, they tack the heaviest property they can find on it and it's like,

[00:17:57] hey, look at these.

[00:17:59] Yeah, that's a good point.

[00:18:00] So much fun.

[00:18:02] Yeah, to your point, it'd be like having the guy from Up

[00:18:06] doing a circus chorus.

[00:18:08] It's like the time he went to camp and was a camp counselor and wackiness ensues.

[00:18:15] Had never met his wife.

[00:18:16] Yeah. Well, yeah.

[00:18:19] Yeah, had never met his wife.

[00:18:20] She's not even in it.

[00:18:22] No, exactly.

[00:18:24] Okay. Here's a few things that I've just observed watching.

[00:18:27] Number one, the film in its entirety in all 59 minutes or whatever it is,

[00:18:33] took place over I think 36 hours.

[00:18:36] That sounds about right.

[00:18:38] We'll get into the plot detail but long story short, it opens, they go to the fair,

[00:18:42] he joins the singing thing, all of that happens in a day.

[00:18:46] The fireworks, so it happens over a 36-hour period.

[00:18:49] Yeah.

[00:18:50] Second thing I was thinking of is, so I guess what it did do for me is as we alluded to with

[00:18:57] the first movie, like why are they friends?

[00:19:00] They had a couple of scenes in the beginning where young Corey Feldman,

[00:19:05] it just sounded, it was so cute.

[00:19:08] Anyway, they had a couple of scenes and then Hound goes away, Copper, sorry,

[00:19:15] goes away, comes back.

[00:19:16] They're not friends.

[00:19:17] They're not friends at all.

[00:19:18] Yeah, he saves his life at the end so there's redemption.

[00:19:22] What this movie does is explores another scene of, oh, now I understand why they were friends

[00:19:27] because they also went through this thing.

[00:19:31] I guess I appreciated that.

[00:19:34] But I think that the original movie almost did us some favors by not showing how close

[00:19:44] they could have been because it would have been way more heartbreaking.

[00:19:47] Maybe.

[00:19:48] But then finally, all I kept thinking was after watching this movie,

[00:19:55] all I kept thinking was maybe Kristi Noem had a point.

[00:20:05] Which one do I play?

[00:20:08] Timely jokes, baby.

[00:20:12] If you're listening to this-

[00:20:13] That's for the joke.

[00:20:14] That's for the person doing the thing.

[00:20:17] For the joke, you get-

[00:20:18] I'm going to delete these files.

[00:20:23] If you're listening to this-

[00:20:24] You're welcome, listener.

[00:20:26] I don't know, six weeks from now,

[00:20:28] was South Dakota's governor.

[00:20:30] She wrote a book.

[00:20:31] She murdered a puppy.

[00:20:35] The end.

[00:20:36] And wrote about it with pride.

[00:20:39] Of course, the chapter is called The Day I Killed a Dog.

[00:20:43] Yes.

[00:20:45] By the way, sorry, for future listeners, I mean President Noem, my apologies.

[00:20:50] Madam President.

[00:20:54] Anyway.

[00:20:56] Okay, who's next?

[00:21:01] Well, I'll tell you what I thought this movie was going to be about.

[00:21:04] Please do.

[00:21:05] I thought it was going to be the fox and the hound try Disney bounding.

[00:21:10] They try to sneak into a park without looking like they're dressed like characters,

[00:21:15] but they're already the characters.

[00:21:17] How do they disguise themselves?

[00:21:19] Maybe the hound dresses up as a poodle and the fox dresses up as a marmot.

[00:21:31] How is that Disney bounding?

[00:21:33] I don't know.

[00:21:34] I will say though, Audrey, that they do go to a carnival or a state fair.

[00:21:41] Am I wrong?

[00:21:42] Why is there not more Disney reference?

[00:21:46] It's a good question.

[00:21:47] They could have shoved in a whole lot of references.

[00:21:48] Especially in 2006.

[00:21:53] It wasn't cool to be self-referential yet.

[00:21:56] In 2006?

[00:21:57] Oh no, they were doing it.

[00:21:59] A hardcore.

[00:22:00] I really do think that this is a script from another studio.

[00:22:04] I really think that this was just like, I don't know.

[00:22:09] I just think they spun the wheel of what sequel to do next.

[00:22:12] It landed on Fox and the Hound.

[00:22:13] They're like, wow, okay.

[00:22:16] Totally.

[00:22:18] What scripts are on the top of the toilet that feature animals?

[00:22:27] It's exactly right.

[00:22:28] Back to the other movie and Audrey, I'm sorry.

[00:22:32] Disney bounding.

[00:22:33] I cut you off.

[00:22:36] I'm going back to the other movie.

[00:22:36] What is it?

[00:22:38] What else do you thought it was going to be?

[00:22:39] That's it.

[00:22:40] That's the whole thing.

[00:22:42] Maybe they get caught and then they get kicked out or sent to the pound.

[00:22:47] I think they've done that before in a movie.

[00:22:49] Then they get rescued by 101 Dalmatians.

[00:22:53] Then someone gets turned into a coat.

[00:22:55] I thought, as a matter of fact, when there's a fancy guy that works for Grand Old Opry pulls in,

[00:23:01] I was like, oh, I hope that's Cruella DeVille.

[00:23:03] Same car.

[00:23:07] I legitimately thought that the jokes I would be making constantly would be that this is Fox

[00:23:15] and the Hound TOO.

[00:23:16] I thought it would be another Fox and another Hound.

[00:23:19] Oh, you didn't think it would be the same Fox and or Hound.

[00:23:22] What if it was a girl Fox and a girl Hound and then relationships get in the way?

[00:23:27] 2006.

[00:23:28] Not quite there yet.

[00:23:30] Society wasn't quite there yet.

[00:23:32] I'm talking about a het coupling, but they have to learn how to be friends with girlfriends

[00:23:38] in the mix.

[00:23:40] How do I make time for both of you?

[00:23:46] I thought that it was going to be a continuation of the story,

[00:23:49] whereas this is more like Bambi 2, which is like Bambi 1.5, which is about more when he was a faun.

[00:23:57] I was disappointed when just a few minutes in, I'm like, oh, this is the whole movie.

[00:24:02] They're not going to run for it.

[00:24:04] Wouldn't it have been better to explore their relationship because the end of the

[00:24:07] movie leaves on such a are they friends?

[00:24:10] How did they become friends?

[00:24:12] How do they fight for each other?

[00:24:13] Because the description of the movie says they still like an itch and a scratch.

[00:24:17] They're best friends forever.

[00:24:18] So I'm thinking they're going to explore that.

[00:24:21] If it helps, I did some digging into like, okay, what was the original story meant to

[00:24:26] symbolize or be about?

[00:24:33] I found a couple things, but one of the things that I thought was probably more correct was

[00:24:39] it was about soldiers on different sides of the conflict.

[00:24:48] Like civil war soldiers?

[00:24:50] Sure, any war where it's just like they are able to recognize the basic humanity of the

[00:24:56] other person and be friends with them and appreciate them.

[00:25:02] And through that, they're kind of like, why are we even fighting?

[00:25:06] And they kind of recognize that it's all kind of arbitrary.

[00:25:10] And I think there's also probably a sort of a race place you can go with it.

[00:25:17] But I think it's more focused probably on a xenophobia thing.

[00:25:23] You're talking about the first movie.

[00:25:25] I'm talking about the book, The Source Material.

[00:25:27] Okay, thank you.

[00:25:28] That makes a lot more sense.

[00:25:30] Because The Source Material apparently is really well respected and well written.

[00:25:35] And it actually makes you feel like you are one of the animals and the stakes are

[00:25:41] super high and it's apparently quite good.

[00:25:45] Because foxes and hounds are enemies.

[00:25:47] They're not supposed to be friends.

[00:25:48] Right.

[00:25:50] Despite their training and their instinct and whatever.

[00:25:54] The first movie didn't even explore that, like how they overcame the fact that they're

[00:25:59] not supposed to be friends.

[00:26:00] They never overcame it.

[00:26:04] No, but they did.

[00:26:06] There's the redemption where Copper saves Todd, which by the way,

[00:26:11] the stupidest name of all time.

[00:26:13] How do you get Todd from You're Like a Toddler?

[00:26:16] Come on.

[00:26:17] It's just dumb.

[00:26:18] Because it's in the book.

[00:26:19] That's why.

[00:26:20] I believe you.

[00:26:21] Doesn't mean it's good.

[00:26:23] Anyway, I want to read the end of this.

[00:26:26] As the years pass, the rural area gives way to more urbanized setting new building.

[00:26:30] Oh wait, no.

[00:26:30] Okay.

[00:26:31] With Chief Berry, I'm just going to read the whole plot.

[00:26:34] I'm going to read a paragraph from the plot occasionally.

[00:26:37] So I'll start here.

[00:26:38] Copper, a bloodhound crossbred, was once the favorite among his master's pack

[00:26:42] of hunting dogs in a rural country area.

[00:26:45] However, he now feels threatened by Chief, a younger, faster, black and tan coonhound.

[00:26:50] Copper hates Chief, who is taking Copper's place as pack leader.

[00:26:54] During a bear hunt, Chief protects the master when the bear turns on him.

[00:26:59] While Copper is too afraid of the bear to confront him,

[00:27:01] the master ignores Copper to heap praise on Chief and Copper's hatred and jealousy grow.

[00:27:07] Okay, let's keep putting that.

[00:27:08] That doesn't happen.

[00:27:09] It's opposite.

[00:27:10] No, this book is miserably depressing.

[00:27:18] All right.

[00:27:19] Jack Albertson is in the first one.

[00:27:21] He's the crotchety guy.

[00:27:23] Her name was Widow.

[00:27:24] Oh, I wrote it down.

[00:27:28] Amos is his name but the character is like...

[00:27:31] Amos Slate.

[00:27:32] That's Jack Albertson for those of you who don't know.

[00:27:34] The original Grandpa Joe from Willy Wonka, from Chocolate Factory from 1971.

[00:27:41] Oh, that's Jack Albertson.

[00:27:45] The character is like a sentient Nick Dean addiction basically.

[00:27:49] No, don't doubt.

[00:27:50] The thing is that the neighbor, she and the neighbor, the Widow, they hate each other.

[00:27:55] At the very end, there's some redemption.

[00:27:58] She's trying to dress his wounds from his bear trap or whatever,

[00:28:02] but there's no hint of them liking each other.

[00:28:04] This whole movie is like a meat cute for those two.

[00:28:09] What are we trying to do?

[00:28:10] Are you talking about the original?

[00:28:12] The original, they hate each other and then at the end, there's some kind of redemption.

[00:28:16] Okay, I'm going to take care of your foot.

[00:28:18] This Fox and the Hound 2, it's like a giant meat cute.

[00:28:22] Why do they hate each other in the first movie?

[00:28:24] Do they ever explore that?

[00:28:26] Well, he has a hound, she has a fox.

[00:28:29] Yeah. He probably repressed urges on his part, usually.

[00:28:35] He never got to taste her blueberry pie.

[00:28:39] He feels inadequate but doesn't know how to process those feelings,

[00:28:42] so it takes it out on women and other people.

[00:28:47] Anyhow. Also, by the way, Dan and Audrey, Paul Winchell, like, dude,

[00:28:53] are you a ticker or are you a woodpecker? What are we doing here?

[00:28:57] He had the laugh and everything.

[00:29:00] Paul Winchell, you have more than one character voice.

[00:29:03] What are we doing?

[00:29:05] Here we go.

[00:29:05] Todd is a red fox kit raised as a pet by one of the human hunters who killed his mother

[00:29:10] and litter mates.

[00:29:11] Todd initially enjoys his life but when he reaches sexual maturity,

[00:29:15] he returns to the wild.

[00:29:16] During his first year, he begins establishing his territory.

[00:29:20] Hold on, I should be doing it this way.

[00:29:23] So he's in his territory and learns evasion techniques from being hunted by local farm dogs.

[00:29:29] One day, he comes across the master's house and discovers that his presence

[00:29:33] sends the chained pack of dogs into a frustrated frenzy.

[00:29:36] He begins to delight in taunting them until one day,

[00:29:39] when Chief breaks his chain and chases him,

[00:29:41] the master sees the dog escape and follows with copper.

[00:29:44] As Chief skillfully trails the fox, Todd flees along railroad track

[00:29:48] while train is approaching, waiting to jump to safety until the last minute.

[00:29:52] Chief is killed by the train.

[00:29:55] All right, Dan, as a juxtaposition, I would now like you to play my music

[00:29:59] and I'm going to describe movie.

[00:30:01] Okay, I really like this arrangement.

[00:30:04] Here we go.

[00:30:08] The Fox and the Hound 2 is a 2006 American animated direct to video buddy adventure

[00:30:13] film produced by Walt Disney Pictures and Disney Tune Studios.

[00:30:17] And an immediate intermediate follow up to the 1981 Walt Disney animated studios film,

[00:30:21] The Fox and the Hound.

[00:30:23] This film takes place during the youth of Todd and Copper

[00:30:26] before the events of the later half of the first film.

[00:30:29] The plot of The Fox and the Hound 2 involves

[00:30:32] copper being tempted to join a band of singing stray dogs called the King and Spades.

[00:30:37] Thus threatening his friendship with Todd.

[00:30:40] The film was directed by John Cameron and features the voices of Reba McEntire,

[00:30:46] Patrick Swayze in his one and only animated voice role.

[00:30:52] The film had an official soundtrack album released November 21st, 2006.

[00:30:55] The film was released on December 12th, 2006 and received generally negative reviews

[00:31:00] with critics calling it a pale limitation of its predecessor.

[00:31:05] I think that's a fair assessment.

[00:31:07] This is good.

[00:31:07] I think so.

[00:31:09] All right, see you next month for Cinderella.

[00:31:12] The Cinderella-ing.

[00:31:16] No, that's the Tinkerverse.

[00:31:18] The Cinderella-ing, like the reckoning.

[00:31:23] Oh my god.

[00:31:24] All right, so I've got...

[00:31:26] What's the next chapter in the book?

[00:31:29] Oh wait, okay.

[00:31:30] Geez.

[00:31:34] With Chief buried, I don't know why I said buried.

[00:31:37] With Chief buried and Master crying over a dead dog,

[00:31:40] he trains Copper to ignore all foxes except for Todd.

[00:31:43] Over the span of the two animals' lives, man and dog hunt the fox,

[00:31:48] the Master using over a dozen hunting techniques in his quest for revenge.

[00:31:52] With each hunt, both dog and fox learn new tricks and methods to outsmart each other,

[00:31:57] Todd always escaping in the end.

[00:32:00] Todd mates with an elder, Experience Vixen, who gives birth to a litter of kids.

[00:32:05] Before they are grown, the Master finds the den and gases the kids to death.

[00:32:10] Winter, the Master sets out leg-hold traps, which Todd carefully learns how to spring.

[00:32:16] But the Vixen is caught and killed.

[00:32:19] In January, Todd takes a new mate with whom he has another litter of kids.

[00:32:24] The Master uses a still hunting technique in which he sits very quietly in the wood

[00:32:29] while playing a rabbit call to draw out the foxes.

[00:32:31] With this method, he kills the kids.

[00:32:34] By using the sound of a wounded fox kit, he is able to draw out and kill Todd's mate.

[00:32:43] Meanwhile, in the Disney version...

[00:32:46] The first movie did us so many favors.

[00:32:52] What about the fact that his first mate in the first movie, Vixen, her name is Vixie.

[00:32:58] And the female dog in this movie?

[00:33:02] Dixie.

[00:33:07] It's actually more faithful to the source material than we think.

[00:33:12] Because her name was Vixie.

[00:33:15] I stand corrected.

[00:33:18] This is an amazing contrast of like, yay, nothing matters and oh my god.

[00:33:26] No.

[00:33:29] This is why when I was watching this, I texted you guys and I said,

[00:33:34] it was a real feeling that I identified it sometimes like,

[00:33:37] I feel like I'm watching Freddy Got Fingered.

[00:33:40] Yeah, I haven't seen that one.

[00:33:44] It's an amazing movie.

[00:33:47] All right.

[00:33:48] So I have not a ton.

[00:33:51] I'd like to just kind of go through the plot.

[00:33:57] I'd like, please interject as you see fit.

[00:34:02] The film opens with Todd and Copper, we know.

[00:34:06] They're chasing a cricket together.

[00:34:08] Let's just call them Topper.

[00:34:11] Topper.

[00:34:12] I'm gonna call you Topper.

[00:34:13] Can we call him Cod?

[00:34:17] So here's why I'm going to say Topper.

[00:34:19] This is a deep cut.

[00:34:21] For those of you who have seen Santa Claus is Coming to Town,

[00:34:24] did we do an episode on that yet?

[00:34:26] I'm sure we did.

[00:34:28] Mickey Rooney plays Santa Claus or Chris Kringle in this case as he's becoming Santa Claus.

[00:34:37] Mickey Rooney also played Todd as an adult because Copper was played by Kurt Russell.

[00:34:46] Wow, that is a stack of cast.

[00:34:46] In the film, yeah, so Mickey Rooney plays Todd in this movie and plays Santa Claus,

[00:34:54] Chris Kringle in Santa Claus is Coming to Town.

[00:34:57] In that film, he comes across a penguin.

[00:35:01] They're in the North Pole, comes across a penguin and he says,

[00:35:06] hey, you're about as lost as you can get.

[00:35:08] You should be in the South Pole.

[00:35:09] This is the North Pole.

[00:35:11] He's trying to figure out what to call him and he says,

[00:35:16] Topper, I'll call you Topper.

[00:35:19] That's how he came up with his name.

[00:35:21] So that's why I think we should say Topper from now on.

[00:35:24] All right.

[00:35:25] As the years pass, the rural area gives way to a more urbanized setting.

[00:35:29] New buildings and the highways spring up.

[00:35:31] More housing developments are built and the farmers are pushed out.

[00:35:34] Though much of the wildlife has left and hunting grows increasingly difficult,

[00:35:39] Todd stays because it is his home range.

[00:35:42] The other foxes that remain become unhealthy scavengers and the natures change.

[00:35:46] Life bonds with their mates are replaced by promiscuity.

[00:35:50] Couples going into separate ways once the mating act is over.

[00:35:53] The master has lost most of his own land and the only dog he owns now is Copper.

[00:35:59] Each winter they still hunt Todd in one way and in an odd way he looks forward to it

[00:36:06] as the only aspect of his old life that remains.

[00:36:09] Good God.

[00:36:12] I'll call you Topper.

[00:36:13] I'll call you Topper.

[00:36:15] That's sadder than a blank under a blank's blank.

[00:36:19] Well, just wait.

[00:36:24] Okay.

[00:36:24] Well, there's more.

[00:36:25] I like how this book has a whole lot of man versus nature, man versus man,

[00:36:31] man versus society.

[00:36:33] This is rich.

[00:36:34] This is really deep and engaging and frustrating.

[00:36:40] Yeah.

[00:36:42] All right.

[00:36:43] Hold on.

[00:36:43] You ready?

[00:36:44] All right.

[00:36:44] I don't want to interrupt but this is appropriate.

[00:36:50] Voices of Todd.

[00:37:22] That's how he comes up with his name.

[00:37:23] The master spends most of his time drinking alcohol and people begin trying to convince

[00:37:27] him to move into a nursing home where no dogs are allowed.

[00:37:31] One summer an outbreak of rabies spreads through the fox population.

[00:37:35] After one infected fox attacks a group of human children,

[00:37:39] the same people approach the master and ask his help in killing the foxes.

[00:37:43] He uses traps and poisons to try to kill as many foxes as possible.

[00:37:47] However, the poison also kills domestic animals.

[00:37:51] After a human child dies from eating it, the humans remove all of the poison.

[00:37:56] Then the master organizes a hunt in which large numbers of people

[00:38:01] line up and walk straight into the woods, flushing out foxes to be shot.

[00:38:05] The aging Todd escapes all three events as well as an attempt at coursing him with greyhounds.

[00:38:14] As Todd and Copper are chasing a cricket together,

[00:38:16] they see a line of trucks bringing the county fair to town.

[00:38:20] Copper is mesmerized by the sound of dogs singing together in an old school bus

[00:38:25] with the singing strays painted on the side.

[00:38:30] I love the 2D animation with the CGI. I'm just going to lay it out here.

[00:38:36] It was a choice.

[00:38:37] It looks good in this movie.

[00:38:38] It was a choice.

[00:38:39] Like the carousel and the octopus thing?

[00:38:42] Yeah, it was bright and fun and I liked it. 10 out of 10.

[00:38:47] Wow.

[00:38:47] What's the next chapter?

[00:38:48] Speaking of this.

[00:38:50] All we have is the last chapter so I'm going to save that until the end.

[00:38:55] Speaking of which, the only thing that I saw that may have been a Disney parks reference,

[00:39:01] and you're right, 2006, right?

[00:39:04] The carousel, which is not a merry-go-round because merry-go-rounds

[00:39:08] have other things besides horses by definition.

[00:39:12] It's true. That's something we learned.

[00:39:13] The carousel has all jumping horses and that's the thing about the Disneyland carousel.

[00:39:19] They're all jumpers.

[00:39:20] Jumpers, yeah.

[00:39:21] Amazing.

[00:39:22] But yeah, then there's this other octopus wheelie around.

[00:39:25] Yeah, and then the Ferris wheel, a lot of CGI with the 2D. You liked that.

[00:39:31] Yeah.

[00:39:33] I'm not going to disagree with you because it is a choice and if you like it, you like it.

[00:39:38] The animation was brilliant.

[00:39:39] I found it really jarring.

[00:39:42] Yeah, I was just like, what is happening?

[00:39:45] The colors are a little off, I'll admit, on the cars. The cars are kind of strangely shaded.

[00:39:51] The cars on the Ferris wheel?

[00:39:53] Does anyone notice that the hound looks like he's got Benjamin Button Syndrome?

[00:39:58] He looks very old.

[00:39:58] He's getting younger? Oh, he's getting older.

[00:40:01] Yeah, his face is old for such a puppy.

[00:40:03] Wrinkly?

[00:40:04] Yeah.

[00:40:05] Well, all hounds have that. They have all the excess skin.

[00:40:08] Oh, that's a good point.

[00:40:10] That's a bit in the first movie, he talks about his old scrunchy face and then in this movie,

[00:40:18] he trips over his ears occasionally.

[00:40:20] Here's another line that I wanted to point out.

[00:40:24] Did you hear this? It was like, that's about as useful as putting a milk bucket under a...

[00:40:29] Yeah. I think this was when I stopped paying attention to this movie, I think,

[00:40:34] because I just couldn't... The whole time, I was just like, how do you... I mean,

[00:40:43] I really tried to not be like an asshole with this, which I know I can be sometimes,

[00:40:51] but not on purpose. I was watching this and I'm like, I can't get over the fact that this is

[00:40:59] the fox and the hound. And it was a really bad idea because if you introduce any actual stakes,

[00:41:08] then that means that you're making these poor characters suffer even more.

[00:41:17] So I guess it's like, okay, cool, they get to have a fun thing together, but why even make

[00:41:25] the fox and the hound two? Yeah. Speaking of stakes, Kristi Noem shot other animals.

[00:41:35] Stake.

[00:41:37] So the pair, the fox and the hound, they're eager to go to the fair when they see the

[00:41:44] singing strays, but when Copper's clumsy tracking disappoints his master Amos Slade,

[00:41:49] yet again, the pup is tied up in the yard while Slade and Chief go to the fair without

[00:41:54] him. Todd arrives and pulls Copper's collar off and the pair head to the fair.

[00:42:02] Yep, that's it. Okay, let me think. I tried watching the original movie again after watching

[00:42:12] this one just to see if it actually was as sad and effective at being sad as I thought it was.

[00:42:18] The animation is really good. It's really good. 1981, incredibly well done.

[00:42:24] First thing I thought of when I was watching it, this is really well done. There's no CGI,

[00:42:29] the trees, because it's like a nature film. It's an animated nature film.

[00:42:35] I think that was the experiment of that movie to see. I think that that's why they made it.

[00:42:39] Yeah, they were like, okay, well, what can we do with different animation techniques,

[00:42:44] different textures, different... Because there are parts that look like a camera is focusing

[00:42:51] and not focusing on different light sources and stuff. It's really, really good.

[00:42:57] I want to say off the top of my head, five or 10 minutes is just establishing the forest.

[00:43:04] And the credits were running whatnot.

[00:43:08] Is it like Princess Maranoke good though?

[00:43:12] Well, probably not.

[00:43:13] I mean, it's like Disney.

[00:43:16] But it was 1981 too.

[00:43:17] They do good in different ways. But yeah, it is. It touches a lot on more tonal stuff. But

[00:43:26] I think what they're experimenting with is more like the way that you can transfer

[00:43:33] like camera techniques from actual film to animation and kind of see how far you can push

[00:43:44] that line. And I think at the same time, they probably also possibly chose this source material

[00:43:49] because it's super depressing. And they were like, let's push that line too. Let's see how

[00:43:56] far we can push the emotional content here.

[00:43:58] We're about to be taken over by green mailers. Let's give them all we got.

[00:44:02] I just have the craziest idea. So if they can take Fox and the Hound and make an animated movie

[00:44:07] that people like out of it, can they take like Atlas Shrugged and make that animated?

[00:44:15] I mean, I'm sure there are people working on it.

[00:44:19] Are there? I'd watch that. I'm reading it right now. And I got to tell you, it's a

[00:44:27] slog. It's a long book.

[00:44:30] Anne Rand is a genius.

[00:44:35] I should have started with the fountainhead.

[00:44:39] Yeah, I don't know. Okay. So Todd and Copper.

[00:44:45] Don't you mean Marion Pippen? Because they're like two little rascals. This

[00:44:48] is for the Lord of the Rings fans out there. Marion Pippen fireworks. This won't end

[00:44:54] terribly. Yeah, they do want to see fireworks. That's for sure. So Topper, they go get to me.

[00:45:03] Singing strays, right? The band has five members, which I would like you to

[00:45:07] listen to the names of the members of the band and see if you can see a theme.

[00:45:11] Dixie, who is a Saluki played by Reba McIntyre. Cash,

[00:45:19] who is a Spanish hound played by Patrick Swayze. I will remind you this is his one

[00:45:23] and only animated film as a voice actor. Do you have the singing voice on your list?

[00:45:28] Because I'm curious if it's Patrick Swayze. Oh, it's not. Dr. John. He sounds a lot like Dr. John.

[00:45:35] I don't actually know. No, I don't. Excuse me. Granny Rose played by Vicki Lawrence.

[00:45:43] So you've got Dixie, Cash, Rose, and twin brothers, Waylon and Floyd,

[00:45:52] both played by Jim Cummings. By the way. Well, Johnny Cash. All names of country singers.

[00:46:01] Dixie Chicks. Oh, wow. Hold on. I'll get there. Yeah, Waylon. Hold on. Yes. So Johnny Cash,

[00:46:15] the Dixie Chicks, Floyd Tillman, Waylon Jennings, and Rose Maddox. There you go.

[00:46:27] I guess Patrick Swayze just sounds like Dr. John when he sings. I'm not complaining.

[00:46:32] I'm just. You know, she's like the wind, Dan. Oh, that's right. Oh, do I want to change my song?

[00:46:39] No, I don't. That'd be cheating. That'd be cheating. Oh, it should have been.

[00:46:45] Well, yeah. The blockland works because of the dog videos and stuff.

[00:46:48] I'm happy with what I have. So yeah. All right. So it's important that these animals

[00:46:55] perform well because a talent scout from the Grand Ole Opry will be at the fair.

[00:47:00] I love this guy. I want to point out a moment where in this scene, it's sort of like in Hunt

[00:47:07] for Red October where they're like. I really like referencing Better Friends, by the way.

[00:47:11] It's really fun. Patrick's done it like three times now.

[00:47:15] Where they are all speaking Russian for some time and then there's a pause and they like

[00:47:21] zoom in to Sean Connery's luscious lips and then he just starts speaking in English. So it's just

[00:47:29] like, OK, they're still speaking Russian, but I now understand it. It's like the film being

[00:47:36] like, OK, it's Russian the whole time, but we're going to solve this problem by having

[00:47:42] it be like, OK, we're going to turn. You just know Russian now.

[00:47:46] I would like you to know that similarly in Avatar 2, The Way of Water, Jake Stully does

[00:47:52] the same thing. But he says in his narration, I speak so much of the Navi language, it's

[00:47:57] starting to sound like English. They go from speaking Navi to English.

[00:48:01] Oh, so it's a worse version of that.

[00:48:08] There's a moment where the dogs are howling in tune and the little kid who may as well be

[00:48:14] the kid from Finding Nemo. Oh my God, without the braces.

[00:48:18] Yeah, she's like, it almost sounds like they're singing and then all of a sudden we can hear

[00:48:25] them singing words and it's kind of. Is that what you're trying to get at?

[00:48:32] That they don't actually sing, they're just howling dogs?

[00:48:36] They're howling and it's a really cute moment actually.

[00:48:41] So yeah, we speak dog.

[00:48:43] Yeah, we speak dog so we have the point of view, but like and it even starts out where

[00:48:47] we hear them just howling and then she says it sounds like they're singing and then

[00:48:52] we hear them singing. The reason I mentioned this is that there's a scene at the end of

[00:48:56] the movie where someone's listening to them perform on the radio and they're singing.

[00:49:05] I thought you were going to go the other way that they were howling.

[00:49:07] No, no, it should have gone that way.

[00:49:09] Should have. Okay, so Cash and Dixie get into an argument and Dixie walks off before their

[00:49:15] performance which forces them to go on stage without her. During the show, Copper sings along

[00:49:21] and Cash invites the puppy on stage to sing with him. The musical number is a success.

[00:49:28] Say that again?

[00:49:29] It's his secret ability.

[00:49:31] Yeah, he can. Oh, sorry, because he can't do anything.

[00:49:33] Right.

[00:49:33] Thus far in the movie he's not good at anything.

[00:49:35] He could have been good at something useful like mechanical engineering, but now he's

[00:49:38] good at singing.

[00:49:39] No, just take some STEM classes. Come on.

[00:49:42] Cash invites Copper to join the band and he does so after Todd lies that Copper is a stray.

[00:49:48] I'll remind you the band is called The Singing Strays.

[00:49:52] And they have a poster and I don't know who put up the poster.

[00:49:55] Yes, they do. The guy who owns them in the bus. The guy who plays the banjo.

[00:49:58] The banjo man.

[00:50:00] Oh, oh, oh, okay.

[00:50:01] I think it's played by one Mr. Jeff Foxworthy.

[00:50:04] Oh.

[00:50:06] Yep. Todd lies that Copper's a stray. Copper spends the entire day with Cash

[00:50:11] forgetting his promise to watch fireworks with Todd.

[00:50:19] Okay, so then Dixie finds Todd.

[00:50:21] I hate when people do that.

[00:50:22] You know what, Jimmy? Just let me know when you want

[00:50:25] the final piece of the plot from the original.

[00:50:27] We're not far. Okay. Dixie finds Todd and sympathizes with his feelings of abandonment.

[00:50:33] I think this is where, Audrey, you pointed out that he's a bartender and

[00:50:38] there's a lot of fat shaming in this because Dixie has a pet cat or whatever

[00:50:46] and Dixie's depressed so she starts eating bones.

[00:50:48] The cat is the female version of Todd. The cat is Todd's future if Todd...

[00:50:56] Totally.

[00:50:56] That's, I think, the point of her character.

[00:50:59] Oh yeah, totally. I didn't think about that.

[00:51:01] If he continues hanging on to...

[00:51:04] Yeah, okay.

[00:51:05] Yeah.

[00:51:05] It was funny to me that they animated Zelda exactly like they animate the dogs.

[00:51:10] I don't think they made the cat feline enough in the way that she moves.

[00:51:16] Just my opinion. Did anyone else?

[00:51:19] Yeah, I don't think they brought cats and dogs into the animator's room for them to

[00:51:24] observe for this movie.

[00:51:25] That's fair.

[00:51:25] No.

[00:51:26] Although there was a lot of similarities with the fox.

[00:51:29] The Robin Hood fox, is that not an anthropomorphic version of this animal?

[00:51:35] Careful, careful, Jimmy.

[00:51:40] I've made Marion.

[00:51:44] Well, I'm not going to say it anyway. There's a point where Todd is sad because

[00:51:52] he's been hired to basically be the stagehand.

[00:51:54] It's only been a few hours, right?

[00:51:56] Not even. Not even. Minutes.

[00:51:59] I'll remind you, this movie takes place over a 24-hour period.

[00:52:04] Which is about how long the movie feels, by the way.

[00:52:06] It does. It does. I looked at it like, oh, an hour and nine.

[00:52:10] As an explanation for that, dogs live fewer years than people do.

[00:52:16] Oh, so every day feels like a week.

[00:52:19] And maybe it felt so long because we were experiencing dog years.

[00:52:24] That's it. That's right. Because a dog, her human day is seven dog days.

[00:52:30] It's like every day for us is a week for dogs. That's why it felt so long.

[00:52:36] But she's like, give me straight up and he pullers her a bowl of water.

[00:52:41] She's at the bar. Anyway, Todd let's slip the coppers not astray.

[00:52:46] Dixie's like, hey, I have a plan. Let's get him kicked out of the band.

[00:52:50] I'm sure this will surprise nobody, but I just want to put it out there.

[00:52:54] There are way too many dogs or people jokes and way too many

[00:53:02] casual races into cats.

[00:53:03] Referential dog jokes. Well, that too. And also just analogies of you're as something as

[00:53:12] 12 fleas on a ...

[00:53:16] It's Mad Libs time. I need an adjective, please.

[00:53:22] Jogging. Jogging?

[00:53:23] No, adjective. Sorry. Sorry, that was a verb.

[00:53:25] Descripting word.

[00:53:26] Pretty.

[00:53:28] Okay.

[00:53:31] Adjective is how the verb is being done, right?

[00:53:34] No, no, no. It relates to subject.

[00:53:36] Yeah, description.

[00:53:36] Adverb. That's an adjective is ... Okay, we'll go with pretty.

[00:53:41] Okay.

[00:53:43] And then I need a noun.

[00:53:46] Dan.

[00:53:48] Okay.

[00:53:49] That was me saying Dan, your turn.

[00:53:51] Oh, no, I like that.

[00:53:52] Okay. We'll go with Dan. That's a ... And then a verb, action word.

[00:53:59] Run.

[00:54:05] Okay. And now a noun?

[00:54:08] Jimmy.

[00:54:08] Taco.

[00:54:09] Okay.

[00:54:09] Oh, Jimmy.

[00:54:12] And then we'll take the other noun.

[00:54:13] So ...

[00:54:14] Taco.

[00:54:16] Here's our Mad Libs script.

[00:54:20] Wow, that dog singing is prettier than a Dan running a Jimmy taco.

[00:54:26] There we go.

[00:54:26] Makes perfect sense.

[00:54:27] That's about right.

[00:54:28] So yes, Dan, you're absolutely right. Well done, Audrey. That was fun.

[00:54:32] Thanks.

[00:54:33] Fun game. We need more of that in future episodes.

[00:54:34] Listeners at home, you can play along.

[00:54:38] This podcast episode is funnier than a hot dog on top of a tin roof on fire.

[00:54:45] Yeah. No offense.

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[00:56:26] The other thing that one of my least favorite tropes of comedy, which didn't happen at this,

[00:56:32] but Dan, you were alluding to the, this is as whatever as the whatever, like Audrey's game.

[00:56:38] And no offense to the cat, you know. My least favorite comedy trope, air quotes,

[00:56:45] is the thing that's already well established as a success is referred to in the past

[00:56:53] and says it's not going to last. I'll give you an example. American Adventure at Epcot.

[00:57:00] Mark Twain. Carnegie, Carnegie Steel. You're going to build this concert hall.

[00:57:06] And he says Carnegie Hall, it'll never last. The dumbest, stupidest trope. I just watched

[00:57:13] unfrosted last night, Jerry Seinfeld's comedy about the making of the top tar.

[00:57:18] Unfrosted was a Frozen sequel.

[00:57:23] Nice. It should be. Frozen 3, unfrosted starring Jerry Seinfeld. A lot of that,

[00:57:29] a lot of that will never works because it's set in the sixties. Like, oh,

[00:57:33] you'll never go to the moon. Like, I mean, come on. Yeah. Anyway, it's like they may as well just

[00:57:39] look at the camera and go, they do. Oh God. It was a fun idea. Remember when Jerry Seinfeld

[00:57:49] was funny? Those were good days. Oh, that's fair. Actually, I never watched the show. I'm

[00:57:53] sure he's hilarious. He from all accounts, the finest stand-up comedian ever. I don't have

[00:57:58] much of an opinion on him. I know he's funny. Okay. Chase singing strays. I'm already tired.

[00:58:08] Now he's got me riled. You know that part where they get their faces stuck in the door?

[00:58:15] It wasn't funny. Oh, is that what they said? Now he's got me riled.

[00:58:19] I was trying to find, I didn't understand what they said. All right. So I'm going

[00:58:22] to skip over this. Long story short, Dixie wants to be back in the band. She and

[00:58:26] Zelda. She and Patrick Swayze are like lovers. She's mad because she's slighted. She gets mad.

[00:58:32] She comes back. They try to sabotage it. She has a good villain song.

[00:58:37] Sure. There are too many songs in this movie. Oh my God. Are they songs though?

[00:58:43] And so anyway, long story short, she's back in the band. I don't know. It's dumb.

[00:58:50] Hold on. I see where this is going. Thank you.

[00:58:53] One morning after Todd's escape from the Greyhounds, the master sends Copper on the

[00:59:00] hunt. After he picks up the fox's trail, Copper relentlessly pursues him throughout the day

[00:59:06] and into the next morning. Todd finally drops dead of exhaustion and Copper collapses on top

[00:59:12] of him, close to death himself. The master nurses Copper back to health and both enjoy their

[00:59:18] new popularity. But after a few months, the excitement over Copper's accomplishment dies

[00:59:23] down. The master is left alone again and returns to drinking. He is once again asked to consider

[00:59:29] living in a nursing home. And this time he agrees. Crying, he takes his shotgun from the wall,

[00:59:35] leads Copper outside, and pets him gently before ordering him to lie down. He covers

[00:59:41] the dog's eyes as Copper licks his hand trustingly. Hold on. I need to reread this.

[00:59:52] Are you okay? I'm fine. Jesus.

[00:59:58] Don't read Kristy Noe's book. That got really real.

[01:00:03] No!

[01:00:03] No!

[01:00:09] Oh, that's so sad.

[01:00:12] I know.

[01:00:14] It's an extremely sad story. In which everyone loses everything.

[01:00:24] No.

[01:00:26] Then they made this f***ing movie.

[01:00:28] Where Mr. Bickerstaff, who's the talent scout for the Grand Ole Opry, loses his hat,

[01:00:35] but he gets it back. See, he loses something. He lost his hat, but he got it back. And then

[01:00:41] he hears them singing outside of a diner and he hires them to work at the Grand Ole Opry.

[01:00:46] I hated the diner logo. It was so stupid. They could have made such a cool logo,

[01:00:52] but they didn't. Poor Copper. Oh my God. It's so senseless.

[01:01:02] I know.

[01:01:02] I know.

[01:01:03] I laugh crying, but mostly sad.

[01:01:09] The film ends with Copper choosing to leave the band and play with Todd again.

[01:01:13] The end.

[01:01:16] Mr. Bickerstaff.

[01:01:17] So, okay. He's like-

[01:01:19] It doesn't end that way. They both die.

[01:01:23] Not in Fox in the Hound 2, they don't.

[01:01:24] No. That's later.

[01:01:27] That's Fox in the Hound 3.

[01:01:29] Audrey, if it makes you feel any better, this is their one- This is the only happy

[01:01:34] 36 hours of your lives.

[01:01:38] That's right. It's a story that must be told.

[01:01:44] I'm devastated.

[01:01:46] You're laughing at her pain.

[01:01:52] Why would anybody read that book?

[01:01:58] That's why they made it.

[01:02:00] That's why they made this movie.

[01:02:02] The only point in which any of these characters experienced anything resembling happy.

[01:02:11] I don't know if I will read it now. I know how it ends.

[01:02:17] I'll tell you about some other endings.

[01:02:19] This movie was the final film to use the opening of Walt Disney Pictures presents logo

[01:02:24] with the fantasy castle in the blue background.

[01:02:27] And then they laid it down.

[01:02:28] After 21 years.

[01:02:28] And patted its head.

[01:02:33] As it licked their hands out of trust.

[01:02:36] I love you.

[01:02:38] That's in the description. Hold on. Audrey, don't listen because I don't think Jimmy heard this.

[01:02:44] He's once a copper. He leaves copper outside.

[01:02:49] Audrey, take your headphones off. I don't know if they're off or not.

[01:02:52] It's copper outside pets him gently before ordering him to lie down.

[01:02:56] He covers the dog's eyes as copper licks his hand trustingly.

[01:03:00] Oh, Jesus.

[01:03:01] Before he shoots the dog because the retirement home doesn't allow pets.

[01:03:06] Oh my God.

[01:03:14] Jimmy, what are we drinking?

[01:03:17] Well, first of all, it's important to know that Reba McIntyre and Vicki Lawrence

[01:03:22] both recorded the hit song The Night the Lights Went Down in Georgia.

[01:03:26] Oh.

[01:03:27] But one in 1973, one in 1991.

[01:03:31] Big Mama, who was what's her name? Pearl Bailey.

[01:03:36] Dinky Boomer and Squeaks never appeared.

[01:03:38] Nor were they ever mentioned by Todd despite how they were around during Todd's

[01:03:42] youth in the first movie. The cricket in this movie bears a striking resemblance to Squeaks,

[01:03:48] the caterpillar from the first movie.

[01:03:50] I didn't know where the cricket came from.

[01:03:52] It was kind of like why are they posting this in shoving?

[01:03:57] If you've seen the first movie, it's their shoehorning in the caterpillar.

[01:04:00] Yeah, it was Chekhov's Cricket.

[01:04:03] Judging by the fact that the grand old opera is mentioned heavily by the characters,

[01:04:07] the film takes place in Tennessee.

[01:04:10] That's the assumption.

[01:04:12] The farm animals at the Grand Old Opry in this animated film strangely includes an

[01:04:16] Asian elephant, especially in the musical number Good Doggy No Bone.

[01:04:21] It features a monkey.

[01:04:23] These two animals in the film seem to be part of a circus tour

[01:04:26] since they are not performing in the Grand Old Opry.

[01:04:32] Okay.

[01:04:32] Another different character.

[01:04:34] Another really difficult line to understand in this movie was when the promoter guy,

[01:04:42] he's had his last straw. The Ferris wheel has crushed everything and he's like,

[01:04:46] I don't book no circuses. But to me it sounded like he said,

[01:04:50] I don't know. I was like, excuse me? I had to listen to it multiple times because it was.

[01:04:58] You got that from the source material.

[01:05:05] Also, Jim Cummings who played the two whatever dogs plays Tigger in Wind of the Poo.

[01:05:14] In the first movie, the woodpecker was played by Paul Winchell who used to play Tigger.

[01:05:19] That's kind of fun.

[01:05:23] The beer we're going to be drinking is called The Fox and the Hound.

[01:05:28] It is by Bare Bones Brewery in collaboration with Fox River Brewing Company.

[01:05:34] It's a pale lager and it's 5.7% ABV, 11% IBU. This beer no longer being produced by the brewers.

[01:05:48] I thought that was appropriate. They put it down while it licked your hand lovingly.

[01:05:59] Audrey, what are we going to be eating?

[01:06:00] I'm going to use that in future jokes about sad things.

[01:06:11] Have you guys ever put a pet down?

[01:06:14] Yes, recently.

[01:06:16] I'm sorry. It sucks. I don't want to get into it.

[01:06:21] Yeah.

[01:06:25] What are we having to eat? Well, my first thought was like we go together like peanut

[01:06:31] butter and jelly. I wrote down hot sauce and ice cream. But smarter technology,

[01:06:42] chat GPT has graciously offered this delicious three course meal.

[01:06:48] The starter is a tomato soup with basil.

[01:06:50] Wait, before we do that, I want to stop for this quick commercial break from chat GPT.

[01:07:51] And we're back. Okay, go ahead.

[01:07:53] You'll start with a rustic tomato soup with basil.

[01:07:57] Your main course is an herb crusted rack of lamb with root vegetables.

[01:08:03] Dessert, a mixed berry cobbler with vanilla ice cream. Delicious.

[01:08:11] What's chat GPT's source for this?

[01:08:17] Oh, we just said, hey.

[01:08:20] Several echoes of itself.

[01:08:23] Designed a venue inspired by Fox and the Hound 2. It's that easy.

[01:08:29] If these animation studios are going to be lazy with the script,

[01:08:32] I can afford to be a little lazy with them.

[01:08:35] Amen.

[01:08:36] By the way, I think they don't even make anymore.

[01:08:39] By the way, any kids listening to this, just imagine what chat GPT can do for you when it

[01:08:44] comes to homework. Just kidding. Don't do it.

[01:08:52] Hey, I don't think chat GPT would have written Fox and the Hound.

[01:08:57] No, it would have been... The response would have been...

[01:09:02] A much better movie.

[01:09:03] Don't make us equal to that because it's flawed, but kind of like

[01:09:11] everything it should be for a movie based on that book.

[01:09:14] Don't write a sad book about sad things. The end.

[01:09:20] Speaking of sad things, we're going to listen to a song by Future Bible Heroes called Hopeless.

[01:09:27] I want to read the lyrics to you before I play the song and you'll understand why.

[01:09:32] Uh, you've been tearing out your hair and I've been drinking, listening to music in the dark

[01:09:38] and I've been keeping to myself and you've been slinking all around the trailer park.

[01:09:43] There's no use even trying because it's hopeless. All of our dreams are dying of overdoses.

[01:09:49] All of our plans are lying in 10 car road wrecks. There's just no point in

[01:09:53] crying. You know, it's hopeless. You look at strangers like a kid in a candy store.

[01:09:58] I've been leaving on every train and you don't keep a diary anymore.

[01:10:02] And I come home feeling no pain. Don't let me rain on your parade.

[01:10:06] Don't get your hair gray. It's just another wasted year.

[01:10:10] Nothing you can't forget in hours at the raceway.

[01:10:12] Nothing that can't be drowned in beer. And here's the song.

[01:10:18] This is so heavy.

[01:10:21] Wow.

[01:10:21] I didn't know this was gonna go this way.

[01:10:31] But the song is kind of happy sounding.

[01:10:34] Yeah.

[01:10:37] This is what they do. This is a Stephen Merritt joint.

[01:10:43] Yeah, he does some good-

[01:10:44] Stephen and Merritt.

[01:10:45] Stephen and Merritt.

[01:10:47] Stephen and Merritt. Yeah, he also-

[01:10:50] Well, this is basically Stephen and Merritt.

[01:10:52] And he gets together with different musicians and he has different bands.

[01:10:58] One of them is Magnetic Fields, probably the more popular of his band.

[01:11:04] This is the whole shtick.

[01:11:05] I'm gonna come up with the most miserable thing I can possibly come up with

[01:11:09] and put it to just mindless stupid pop music.

[01:11:12] To like a- What's it?

[01:11:15] What's his name?

[01:11:17] Music.

[01:11:18] Doesn't matter.

[01:11:19] One of my favorite lines that I actually laughed at

[01:11:23] that I forgot about now but it's appropriate.

[01:11:27] When things go bad, like everything kind of like everybody's mad at each other,

[01:11:30] they all go separate ways.

[01:11:31] M Cummings' dogs, one of them says,

[01:11:35] why does it always rain when things go wrong?

[01:11:39] That is funny.

[01:11:40] That was punch up. They added that line.

[01:11:44] That was definitely punch up.

[01:11:45] Yeah, it was ADR because nobody was talking.

[01:11:50] But it was funny.

[01:11:52] So that means that on some level the people making this movie knew how bad it was

[01:11:56] because they don't bring in punch up unless they know it's bad.

[01:12:01] That song reminds me a little bit of No Surprises by Radiohead.

[01:12:07] Same kind of like-

[01:12:09] Oh.

[01:12:11] Same kind of-

[01:12:13] No Surprises though strikes me as heavily medicated.

[01:12:18] Yeah.

[01:12:19] Howard Jones is what I was thinking.

[01:12:20] I guess the only similarity is the mismatched tone of the song and the-

[01:12:27] Right, right.

[01:12:35] Okay, so that movie sucked.

[01:12:37] The next movie I think is Cinderella 3, I hope.

[01:12:41] Yay.

[01:12:42] I think I'm going to love it.

[01:12:43] I'm going to.

[01:12:44] Girlie stuff.

[01:12:45] What else do we have to talk about guys?

[01:12:49] I don't know.

[01:12:50] What's been going on with you guys?

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[01:13:50] It's at 7 p.m. at Mockingbird Improv in Liberty Station.

[01:13:54] So if you want to-

[01:13:56] You want to see me pounce around on the stage on a Saturday night, come on down.

[01:14:02] That's very cool.

[01:14:03] Yeah.

[01:14:03] We had our opening night last night and it went great.

[01:14:06] It was so much fun.

[01:14:07] Oh, I had a blast.

[01:14:09] Is this one of those ongoing things that there's a narrative that you carry forward?

[01:14:15] Yeah.

[01:14:15] We're going to probably try to pull some things from the previous episode.

[01:14:21] But again, we're making it all up on the spot.

[01:14:24] So if we lose things, then-

[01:14:26] That's a lot to keep track of.

[01:14:27] Yeah.

[01:14:29] It's almost like you're improvising.

[01:14:30] Yeah, crazy.

[01:14:31] Making things up.

[01:14:33] Right.

[01:14:33] Ad libs.

[01:14:34] But in real time.

[01:14:35] Well, if you want to use anything from this movie in your skits, feel free.

[01:14:38] Thank you.

[01:14:39] I might.

[01:14:42] I know how much you love it when people say that because I love it when people say that to me.

[01:14:46] In your skits.

[01:14:48] If you want to use any of this in your skits, feel free.

[01:14:50] I agree.

[01:14:50] Uh-huh.

[01:14:52] Yeah, so Cinderella 3, A Twist in Time is the next film.

[01:14:55] It'll come out on time.

[01:14:57] But also by the way, you should listen to The Supreme Resort.

[01:15:03] Similar to this feed that's been a little inconsistent.

[01:15:07] But we've got some Run Disney action going on over there.

[01:15:10] And then-

[01:15:10] The ghost tweet and the mask goes screaming out their song.

[01:15:14] What does the fox say?

[01:15:16] I don't know.

[01:15:17] So, and then also Concierge, I'm not going to say out loud because the person's a listener.

[01:15:24] But this person who's a listener has somebody who's not a listener who is planning a trip

[01:15:30] for the person who's a listener.

[01:15:33] And reached out to me to plan said trip.

[01:15:37] I'm not going to say where it is.

[01:15:38] Uh-huh.

[01:15:39] I'm going to say who it is.

[01:15:40] Uh-huh.

[01:15:40] But it's very exciting.

[01:15:41] So we've been kind of on the sly, whatever planning this trip.

[01:15:45] They called and said, hey, I can't do the dates that we talked about.

[01:15:49] And they're like, I'd already booked everything, paid the down payment, whatever.

[01:15:52] And they're like, can we change it to a week later?

[01:15:55] And fortunately, I didn't have to cancel and rebook.

[01:15:59] I was able to go on and make the modification in the reservation

[01:16:02] and it was less expensive.

[01:16:06] I didn't have to do anything else.

[01:16:07] I didn't have to call back.

[01:16:08] Just made the changes.

[01:16:08] It's really that simple.

[01:16:10] Concierge.com.

[01:16:12] Ask for Jimmy.

[01:16:13] 8x6 hour ears.

[01:16:14] He'll hook you up.

[01:16:15] Yes.

[01:16:16] Not change.

[01:16:17] No.

[01:16:20] Yeah, concierge are going to be in Anaheim June 9 through the 11th.

[01:16:25] If you want to come out and meet your favorite concierge,

[01:16:28] June 9 through 11th at Disneyland.

[01:16:30] If you want to stalk us at medieval times on June 12th.

[01:16:36] Don't say hi.

[01:16:37] Just look at us weirdly and maybe we'll figure it out.

[01:16:39] Are you guys saying I should also try to go to Disneyland June 9 through 12th?

[01:16:45] Uh, yes.

[01:16:46] Always.

[01:16:48] All right, we'll talk.

[01:16:52] Anyway, that's all from me, Dan.

[01:16:55] Okay, well, that's all I got.

[01:16:58] Until next time, everybody be kind and rewind.

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