Puny Pod | Phase 3 Episode 9 - Captain Marvel ft. Dan from Bowiesplaining (Part 1)

[00:00:00] Welcome to Puny Pod, the podcast who's picking you up now. Don't eat us. Welcome to Puny Pod, everyone, the Marvel Fandom Podcast where we rewatch the MCU in release order and we cover Marvel news over on our monthly Bugle episodes. I'm Ryan and my co-host who wants to take a closer look-see at the bird by the road is David. David, how are we doing this morning?

[00:00:47] I'm doing pretty well. I'm doing very well, actually. Ready to nerd out on Captain Marvel. How are you, Ryan?

[00:00:54] Yeah, I'm rad, bro. Sorry, I was getting into the feeling of the movie.

[00:01:03] That's dope. Fresh. We do have a co-host with us today. He knows exactly why they call it a cockpit. It's Dan!

[00:01:14] I sure do. The reason why is because I was so inspired by this movie that I joined the Air Force.

[00:01:22] Oh, okay. Yeah. Can you tell us why they call it a cockpit, Dan, in great detail?

[00:01:27] Uh, because very early in the Air Force's history, you see, they were gambling addicts and they would often get roosters and put them in the aircraft and that was the origin of cockfighting.

[00:01:44] Oh, I thought it had something to do with, like, English folk with a very, like, distinct accent, which I know you're very familiar with that work, Dan.

[00:01:54] I very much am.

[00:01:57] They might show up later on.

[00:02:00] It's a good chance of them.

[00:02:02] I'm Jim Law!

[00:02:09] Oh, yes.

[00:02:11] Jude Law.

[00:02:12] Oh, Jude Law.

[00:02:13] Well, Jude Law is in the film that they like to call Captain Marvel, which is the movie we are here to cover today.

[00:02:21] Um, so with that...

[00:02:24] Ryan, real quick question, though, before we get to the movie.

[00:02:27] Um, when you said watch the 2019 Captain Marvel, you didn't happen to mean the DC Shazam, also known as Captain Marvel?

[00:02:37] No.

[00:02:38] Uh, the Brie Larson masterpiece that is just tastefully nostalgic enough to really make you yearn for the better days.

[00:02:49] Oh, yeah.

[00:02:50] It took like a day for me to download it on Napster.

[00:02:58] All right, I'm about to read some Wikipedia notes here.

[00:03:00] Watch the wrong movie.

[00:03:02] Well, read quick, because you're up first.

[00:03:06] I was so ready for the 2019 Shazam starring Zach Lee.

[00:03:10] Anyway, um, the Marvel MCU, Captain Marvel, released March 8, 2019.

[00:03:19] This was the first from the MCU to have a female lead, and it was released to cinemas on International Women's Day.

[00:03:27] Um, March 8, 2019 is also the day that Ike Perlmutter cried at the lead.

[00:03:33] Um, this is the first MCU film also not to scream.

[00:03:38] David, you almost, you almost mistakenly made a really good, uh, 90s reference, because you almost called him Erkel.

[00:03:45] Yeah, Erkel Parma.

[00:03:46] He wishes he were that cool.

[00:03:48] Um, Erk Perlmutter.

[00:03:49] Um, this is already off the rails.

[00:03:51] Uh, this is the first film not to stream on, be released on Disney, on Netflix, and was instead released on Disney+.

[00:03:59] It is phase three, ninth installment, MCU movie number 21.

[00:04:06] So, it's set in 1995.

[00:04:08] It is the second MCU movie chronologically after the first Captain America film.

[00:04:15] And it takes place before, although it was takes place before, was released after, um, uh, Infinity War.

[00:04:22] Um, it actually filmed after Endgame.

[00:04:26] So, it's funny, Marvel wanted it to be like a period piece, predating Iron Man.

[00:04:30] You don't say.

[00:04:32] Yeah.

[00:04:32] Um, because you want to avoid questions of, like, how Captain Marvel would interact with S.H.I.E.L.D.

[00:04:36] and the Avengers, and how does Howard Stark know about Captain, Captain Marvel?

[00:04:42] So, um, so the solution was...

[00:04:45] I'm just going to take a sip of my surge soda while you continue.

[00:04:49] The difference is that, like, was just to give her an origin story on Earth, but then get her off the planet for a couple decades.

[00:04:54] They could just avoid, like, MCU entanglement.

[00:04:57] Where was she?

[00:04:58] So, runtime, two hours, three minutes.

[00:05:01] The financials.

[00:05:02] Production budget, $152 million.

[00:05:04] Opening weekend, $456 million.

[00:05:08] Domestic gross, $426 million.

[00:05:11] Worldwide gross, $1.3 billion with a B.

[00:05:17] In, uh, 2019, it was number five.

[00:05:21] Right behind a little movie called Spider-Man Far From Home and right ahead of Toy Story 4.

[00:05:27] Um, despite its success, it only made 41% of what Endgame made that same year.

[00:05:31] Like, $2.75 million.

[00:05:33] Um, it's the, uh, it's number 32 amongst all movies.

[00:05:37] Number 11 among MCU films of all time.

[00:05:39] Behind Far From Home and just ahead of Doctor Strange and the Multitude of Madness.

[00:05:45] Rotten Tomatoes.

[00:05:47] There's slight, there's a little variance between the critics, which put it at 79%, and the audience put it at 45%.

[00:05:55] Um, and I guess it had to do with, among other things, like Brie Larson before complained about underrepresentation of women in film and people of color and people with disabilities.

[00:06:05] And then some.

[00:06:07] Which has never been a problem for me.

[00:06:08] I don't know why she's complaining.

[00:06:10] I feel very represented.

[00:06:12] I feel so represented.

[00:06:14] I, uh, yeah, until, until the last couple films kind of a little less so.

[00:06:18] Um, so.

[00:06:19] In fact, I feel overrepresented.

[00:06:24] So.

[00:06:24] What's wrong with representation?

[00:06:26] So the open-minded MCU fans review bombed the film and tens of thousands, tens of thousands of users gave negative reviews before it even came out.

[00:06:35] So at 45%, for reference, Madam Web has a 57% audience rating.

[00:06:40] I'll let that sink in.

[00:06:42] So.

[00:06:44] Um, while I think you'll find a difference of opinions to the film, there are some folks that didn't like it, including Kevin from IMDb, who said, my primary dislike for this film is the fact that Disney changed the sex of Captain Marvel.

[00:06:58] Captain Marvel has always been a man.

[00:07:00] You can't use your movies to wage your extreme liberal agenda, Disney.

[00:07:04] End of quote.

[00:07:05] I mean, I, look, I agree with a lot of what he's saying, but she hasn't always been a man.

[00:07:13] Yeah.

[00:07:14] Yeah.

[00:07:15] Just, oh, sorry.

[00:07:17] If you're not listening to like other podcasts, I'm totally joking about agreeing.

[00:07:23] This is going to happen a lot.

[00:07:25] I could, I could, you could tell, you pretty much tell Kevin, it was like a late fifties comic book reader, stop reading and say like, I don't know, 82.

[00:07:33] And completely missed out on everything after that.

[00:07:36] So this is the X-Men came around.

[00:07:38] He's like, I think I'm done.

[00:07:43] He's the guy, he's the guy who doesn't understand the X-Men is a civil rights book.

[00:07:48] No, he does.

[00:07:49] And that's why he's like, okay, no more for me.

[00:07:53] Stay in your place, Nightcrawler.

[00:07:57] So as of early 2013, Feige wanted to bring Carol Danvers into the MCU.

[00:08:02] Marvel originally had a script for a movie, but it would have her in the Ms. Marvel identity instead of Captain Marvel.

[00:08:09] And then, I mean, we talked about before, the main reason why it took so long to make was because, you know, Ike Perlmutter.

[00:08:16] Like Perlmutter.

[00:08:16] Yeah, he's not a great guy.

[00:08:20] But he was, you know, he wanted to make Captain Marvel, wanted to make Black Panther, you know, Ike, aka Irk Perlmutter, believed that any movie with like a non-white male lead wouldn't do well.

[00:08:31] And so relented only after Feige agreed to make that Inhumans movie, which was a huge hit.

[00:08:36] But October 2014, announced Captain Marvel at Kevin Con, along with the other slate of phase three movies.

[00:08:44] Captain Marvel was originally going to appear at the end of Age of Ultron.

[00:08:51] And then in 2015, after, you know, Feige eventually kind of split off, you know, became his own, you know, the head of Marvel Studios.

[00:09:04] And now, with MCC was dissolved, they go ahead and make the movie.

[00:09:08] They thought about, Russo's thought about bringing her in Infinity War, but then deferred for her own movie.

[00:09:12] So the directors, Anna Bowden and Ryan Fleck, are often co-directed and co-write pieces.

[00:09:21] They did It's a Funny Kind of Story.

[00:09:22] They did Mississippi Grind.

[00:09:25] They did Sugar.

[00:09:27] They were previously considered for Guardians of the Galaxy.

[00:09:31] They impressed Feige and others over numerous meetings and mostly impressed with their ability to, like, create a diverse range of character-driven stories.

[00:09:42] So he said they had to focus on, principally, like the complexity and the relatability of Carol Dandridge's character without being bogged down by villains and special effects.

[00:09:52] We'll see how that turned out later on.

[00:09:53] So Ava DuVernay, who had previously been considered Black Panther, said she was interested.

[00:10:00] And then, yet again, turned it down because she didn't want the Marvel oversight, which is kind of funny to me because it's just like, hey, it's the same company it was, like, three years ago.

[00:10:09] I don't know, like, I don't know what you're applying for the job when you don't like the way in which the content is kind of managed.

[00:10:16] I think, if I remember correctly, at that point, like, in the pre-production, I think it started to become very apparent that there was a formula.

[00:10:27] And, like, even if people did have a creative direction to go in, it was sort of like a – and I think people were even openly saying at some point, like, yeah, I had all these really interesting creative ideas.

[00:10:38] And they're still there, but there's also this other crap.

[00:10:42] Yeah.

[00:10:43] And that's kind of where – and I think you're right.

[00:10:45] And I think that some directors like James Gunn and Teca Waititi are just given, like, free reign.

[00:10:52] And then other ones are like, no, here's kind of, like, the formula, follow it.

[00:10:55] And I think it was also compounded by the Marvel Creative Committee, which used to feed a bunch of notes.

[00:11:00] But by this point in time, like, they're pretty much out of it.

[00:11:03] But I agree with you.

[00:11:04] They're, you know, to a certain extent, it's just, hey, here's the formula, kind of stick with it, if you will.

[00:11:09] So the screenplay, Meg LaFauve, one of the writers of Inside Out, and Nicole Perlman, who was the Marvel Writers Program graduate who wrote 14 drafts of Guardians of the Galaxy.

[00:11:22] And she's the one that had a dispute with James Gunn and had to go to WGA arbitration to get her writing credit.

[00:11:29] And she was the first woman to be credited for writing a Marvel screenplay.

[00:11:32] She also afterwards hosted an FU James Gunn party because he, like, fought against her having a screenwriting credit.

[00:11:41] So in August 2017, Geneva Robertson-Dwarret, who rewrote the Tomb Raider remake and was a co-show runner and co-creator of Fallout on Amazon,

[00:11:53] was brought in after LaFave left the project to co-direct Gigantic for Disney Animation.

[00:11:58] Pearlman also left the project but stated that the story she and LaFave worked on in its earlier drafts would be retained in the final screenplay.

[00:12:05] And so while this is not the first movie with a female superhero, it is the first to be written primarily by women.

[00:12:12] So Bowdoin, Fleck, Robertson-Dwarret were given screenwriter credits while LaFave and Pearlman were given storyback credits.

[00:12:19] That's why it has a 40% on Rotten Tomatoes and it's so bad.

[00:12:23] Oh my God. Here we go. Let me just get through the details, guys.

[00:12:28] So the cast. So Brie Larson is the lead.

[00:12:33] When casting was announced at Comic-Con, CNN ran the headline, quote,

[00:12:37] Shazam! Brie Larson is Captain Marvel. Not realizing they were thinking of the wrong Captain Marvel.

[00:12:42] Oh God.

[00:12:44] Samuel L. Jackson returns as Nick Fury.

[00:12:47] You have Ben Mendelsohn as Talos.

[00:12:48] You have Jude Law as Yon-Rogg.

[00:12:50] He was also considered for Spider-Man and Spider-Man.

[00:12:56] He was considered for Mr. Fantastic or Dr. Doom in 2005 Fantastic Four.

[00:13:03] And was considered in Iron Man 3 for Aldrich Killian.

[00:13:07] I also want to add that when the casting was announced, my dumb brain thought,

[00:13:13] oh, Alison Brie from Community. This will be such an interesting choice.

[00:13:17] I'm really looking forward to it. That was legitimately what my dumb brain did.

[00:13:22] And then it was like, and then for some reason, I just didn't look any further into it.

[00:13:26] And the whole time, just like the girl from Community is going to be in this. That's great.

[00:13:33] That's so cool. I'm so glad that, and I was like, wait, who's this?

[00:13:40] Why is she a better actress? That's dumb.

[00:13:45] That's far to Alison Brie.

[00:13:47] Well, I'm just saying it wouldn't have been the best choice, but I was it.

[00:13:52] I'm like, Hey, Michael Keaton was a good Batman. Let's see.

[00:13:54] You know,

[00:13:56] And Arnold Schwarzenegger was a good Dr. Freese, Mr. Freeze, right?

[00:14:01] Anyone?

[00:14:01] Yeah. Everything he touches is gold.

[00:14:05] Lashana Lynch plays Maria Rambeau.

[00:14:07] Annette Bening mails it in as Mar-Vell slash Dr. Wendy Lawson slash the Kree Supreme Intelligence.

[00:14:14] Akira Akbar as Monica Rambeau.

[00:14:17] Plucky definition of pluck.

[00:14:19] You had Reggie the cat as Goose.

[00:14:23] You had Gemma Can as,

[00:14:26] Chan, sorry, as Minerva.

[00:14:27] And Feige said her talents were so wasted in this film that he brought her back in the role of Cersei in the Eternals.

[00:14:36] You had a couple other returning characters.

[00:14:39] You had...

[00:14:40] Wait a minute.

[00:14:41] So it was like, this performer was wasted on this performance.

[00:14:45] I'm going to put them in the Eternals now?

[00:14:48] Yes.

[00:14:49] That's ironic.

[00:14:52] Don't you think?

[00:14:54] There we go.

[00:14:55] Oh!

[00:14:57] You did it, Dan.

[00:14:59] Oh, man.

[00:15:00] You did it.

[00:15:01] Congratulations.

[00:15:01] Well done.

[00:15:02] Well, that's the show.

[00:15:03] Appreciate it, everyone.

[00:15:04] Great follow and listen.

[00:15:07] We've got real quick.

[00:15:09] We've got Dijmon Honsu as Korath returns.

[00:15:12] He was in Guardians.

[00:15:13] We have Greg Clark as Agent Phil Coulson.

[00:15:15] He returns.

[00:15:16] He returns.

[00:15:17] Algenus Perez Soto as Atlas.

[00:15:19] He was in Sugar as the Dominican baseball player whose name I do not remember, but it was nicknamed Sugar.

[00:15:25] Rune Tempty as Bron Char.

[00:15:27] Sharon Blinn as Soren.

[00:15:29] And Lee Pace shows up for a tidy 90 seconds of film work as Ronan.

[00:15:35] I don't know.

[00:15:36] So it features one Academy Award winner, Brie Larson, and six Academy Award nominees, Samuel Jackson, Jude Law, Annette Bening, and in the end credits, Scarlett Jansson, Don Gieland, Mark Ruffalo.

[00:15:49] So other characters considered for Carol Danvers were Emily Blunt, Katie Sackhoff, Natalie Dormer from Game of Thrones, Ronda Rousey expressed interest in playing the role.

[00:16:05] Oh, God.

[00:16:07] Horrible.

[00:16:07] Horrible.

[00:16:09] Keanu Reeves was considered for Yon-Rogg, and I think that would have been pretty cool.

[00:16:13] And then...

[00:16:14] I thought you were going to say that he was considered for Carol Danvers.

[00:16:19] I like it.

[00:16:20] Let's not get ahead to the Nicolas Cage stuff yet, though.

[00:16:23] And then for Maria Rambeau, DeWanda Wise was originally cast but had to drop out because she was an adaptation of She Gotta Have It, which was renewed for a second season.

[00:16:33] So those are the production details, but believe it or not, this movie's actually based upon a comic book.

[00:16:40] So Ryan...

[00:16:41] What?

[00:16:41] I know, right?

[00:16:43] It's Ryan.

[00:16:44] Brings up to speed.

[00:16:45] Yeah.

[00:16:46] I forgot this was an intro, so I guess...

[00:16:49] Yeah, here's some comic...

[00:16:50] No, I'm just kidding.

[00:16:51] I got lots of comic stuff.

[00:16:52] You guys, listeners, you know where this is going.

[00:16:56] Buckle in.

[00:16:57] We got about 10 hours here.

[00:16:59] So real quick, before I get into the comic book story stuff, I did want to talk a little bit about the trademark issue that is Captain Marvel.

[00:17:09] We joked a little bit about it in the production details, but it's actually vaguely interesting.

[00:17:17] So, yeah.

[00:17:20] Also, guys, feel free to explain all this to your girlfriend or your wife and all the women in your life to explain to them why they like this movie, because I think that it'll really help.

[00:17:33] And you should probably quiz them on it before you let them watch the movie.

[00:17:36] Yeah.

[00:17:37] And before you do, make sure and tell them, look, you're not going to understand 80% of what I'm about to say.

[00:17:43] Yeah, not the science stuff.

[00:17:44] Right.

[00:17:45] Come on.

[00:17:46] Let's not kid ourselves.

[00:17:49] But if it's like the section of the movie which deals with home economics, super relevant, right?

[00:17:55] There's dancing.

[00:17:56] They like...

[00:17:59] Otar's here.

[00:18:00] All right.

[00:18:02] No, but...

[00:18:03] And Ryan, wash your mouth out.

[00:18:05] Everyone likes a good intellectual property dispute between two competing comic book companies.

[00:18:11] At least I do.

[00:18:11] Well, oh boy, David, I have one for you, because there are four comic book companies involved.

[00:18:18] So, you know it's real spicy in here.

[00:18:22] So, yeah, it spans multiple decades.

[00:18:25] It's been a back and forth.

[00:18:26] I'm going to try and boil it down as much as I can here.

[00:18:29] So, the first comic book character ever to be called Captain Marvel was actually introduced in late 1939 by Fawcett Comics.

[00:18:42] It was their flagship character.

[00:18:44] They were running with it.

[00:18:47] DC thought that Captain Marvel was a little bit too much like Superman.

[00:18:55] No.

[00:18:57] Okay.

[00:18:58] So, DC sued Fawcett and won.

[00:19:07] Which then meant that Fawcett essentially lost their trademark on Captain Marvel.

[00:19:19] From there, it really wasn't used.

[00:19:22] The name Captain Marvel wasn't used until a small little startup company called MF Enterprises.

[00:19:28] They did try and introduce a Captain Marvel.

[00:19:31] He was like an android who could like rocket his fists out or something like that.

[00:19:36] But, it didn't, it wasn't huge.

[00:19:40] But, Marvel did go ahead, Marvel Comics at that point, did see this and said, hey, that's our name, right?

[00:19:49] We're Marvel Comics.

[00:19:51] We need Marvel.

[00:19:51] So, they introduced their own Captain Marvel and successfully sued MF to be able to get the Captain Marvel trademark.

[00:20:05] When DC tried to bring back Fawcett's Captain Marvel, because at this point they had bought Fawcett and they had all their comics.

[00:20:14] And they were like, okay, let's bring them back.

[00:20:17] They brought them back in 1972.

[00:20:20] But, in 1974, they were sent a cease and desist by Marvel that said that they could not use the name Captain Marvel.

[00:20:28] Not all heroes wear capes.

[00:20:30] Some might cease and desist letters.

[00:20:32] Keep going.

[00:20:34] So, DC insisted, or DC decided to change the name of their character to Shazam.

[00:20:41] This is the Shazam that we all know and is not controversial because of its actor at all.

[00:20:53] So, essentially, Shazam came from the magic word that the character would use to show up in the DC comics.

[00:21:01] And what word was that?

[00:21:03] Abracadabra.

[00:21:04] Okay, good.

[00:21:05] Yeah.

[00:21:07] So, in order to retain their trademark, Marvel basically kept publishing Captain Marvel comics all the freaking time.

[00:21:18] There is drips and drabs.

[00:21:20] I think when researching the comics, I found out that the current comic run we're on is like Captain Marvel volume 11 or something crazy like that.

[00:21:29] Because they would just...

[00:21:31] It's not...

[00:21:32] He wasn't popular.

[00:21:33] Captain Marvel was not popular.

[00:21:35] And Ms. Marvel, who is the Captain Marvel of this movie, also was not hugely popular.

[00:21:43] But, you know, they were kind of B or C tier heroes.

[00:21:46] But, because of this trademark, they had to keep pushing content out to hold on to it.

[00:21:56] So, there are, like I said, like 11 Captain Marvel number ones out there in the world.

[00:22:03] Which is just absolutely ridiculous.

[00:22:08] I...

[00:22:08] Forgive me if you're going to get to this anyway, but is it like...

[00:22:11] Is each iteration like a, let's try these powers?

[00:22:14] Or what about this?

[00:22:15] Or it's just straight up like, hey...

[00:22:18] Yeah, it's like, oh, we killed them off.

[00:22:21] Let's bring them back.

[00:22:24] Or...

[00:22:26] Sometimes the power set changes a little bit, but generally the power set stays...

[00:22:32] Mark...

[00:22:32] Or mostly the same.

[00:22:34] So, asking from the point of view of a comic book dummy who doesn't know anything about this stuff.

[00:22:40] And you might have covered this when I went to grab my delicious McDonald's.

[00:22:45] Ba-da-ba-ba-ba, by the way.

[00:22:50] Has Captain Marvel always been just like O-P-A-F like this?

[00:22:55] Or is that over time?

[00:22:57] So, that's been a little bit over time.

[00:22:59] And I will also say that there are limitations to power set in the comics that are not present in the movie.

[00:23:04] I see.

[00:23:05] So, things like limit...

[00:23:07] Time limits or...

[00:23:11] Memory loss.

[00:23:12] That sort of stuff.

[00:23:12] Which I'll talk about that a little bit in the character summaries.

[00:23:15] But...

[00:23:16] But yeah.

[00:23:16] There is...

[00:23:18] When...

[00:23:18] When they're at full strength, super OP.

[00:23:22] Which makes them kind of boring in some ways.

[00:23:24] Because you don't like an unlimited hero.

[00:23:27] Like, that's just kind of...

[00:23:29] Bleh.

[00:23:30] Yeah.

[00:23:33] So, in...

[00:23:35] 2012, the former Mrs...

[00:23:37] Or the former Ms. Marvel, Carol Danvers,

[00:23:40] And the lead character of this film,

[00:23:43] Picked up the Captain Marvel mantle.

[00:23:46] Which I'll talk a little bit about in her character summary here in a second.

[00:23:50] Well, at the same time, DC actually fully rebranded their character as Shazam.

[00:23:55] So, they finally were like, okay, cool.

[00:23:57] This is Shazam.

[00:23:58] We're going to drop the Captain Marvel thing.

[00:24:00] Whatever.

[00:24:02] Ironically, as we mentioned earlier,

[00:24:04] New Line Cinema...

[00:24:06] New Line Cinnamon Roll.

[00:24:07] New Line Cinema and Warner Brothers in DC.

[00:24:12] Hold on, sorry.

[00:24:13] Really easy 90s reference there.

[00:24:15] Cinnabon.

[00:24:16] Yeah.

[00:24:17] New Line Cinnabon.

[00:24:18] There we go.

[00:24:21] So, same year, both Shazam, aka Captain Marvel on the DC side,

[00:24:27] and this Captain Marvel film came out in the same year.

[00:24:31] And just kind of...

[00:24:32] It was not planned that way, but it is ironic that those two came out.

[00:24:38] So, that's the kind of...

[00:24:41] Scene setting, I guess, a little bit.

[00:24:43] Just to give you guys an idea of when I get into the character summaries,

[00:24:47] why they're so long and so convoluted is because they were just pushing out junk

[00:24:57] to basically just to keep the trademark up, really.

[00:25:02] Yeah.

[00:25:03] So, the Captain Marvel from the 1960s Marvel version is not one we see today, right?

[00:25:10] Correct.

[00:25:10] Yeah.

[00:25:11] In fact, Carol Danvers is the seventh character to use the Captain Marvel moniker in the comic books.

[00:25:19] Mar-Vell, who we see in this movie, is the original Marvel, Captain Marvel.

[00:25:25] Monica Rambeau, who we actually saw in this movie as well,

[00:25:30] but we'll actually talk more about her comic origins more in depth in a later episode.

[00:25:35] She also used the Captain Marvel moniker.

[00:25:39] And then Genis-Vell, who is the genetically engineered son of Mar-Vell, used it.

[00:25:48] Phyla-Vell, who is Genis-S' sister that he created when recreating the universe,

[00:25:55] used the Captain Marvel moniker.

[00:25:59] Kenor, Kenor, used it.

[00:26:01] He's a Skrull sleeper agent who took up the mantle during Secret Invasion.

[00:26:07] And then Novar was the Dark Avengers version of Captain Marvel.

[00:26:12] So, and then we get to Carol Danvers, who is the, like I say, seventh character to use that moniker.

[00:26:18] And correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like when making this movie,

[00:26:21] they probably felt like some pressure to throw in some Easter egg for all that crap.

[00:26:29] To just be like, hey, remember this?

[00:26:31] Hey, we know about this.

[00:26:32] Don't forget, we're Marvel.

[00:26:33] We know what we're doing.

[00:26:34] And that maybe contributes to what to normies might feel like kind of a disjointed experience in some parts.

[00:26:46] I don't know if there's a lot of that, to be honest.

[00:26:50] Like, we'll get to like the suits and stuff like that and the colors.

[00:26:53] But, you know, I think with a way in which a lot of these Marvel movies are done, you know, the writers give them like a stack of comic books and you take ideas from here and there and plug them together.

[00:27:05] So I think that for the most part, I do think it kind of follows.

[00:27:10] My understanding was it does follow the 2012 to 2014 or 15 comic run, if I'm not mistaken.

[00:27:17] Yeah, there's pieces from multiple comic runs, which, yeah, we'll get into Carol Danvers' like comic history here in a second.

[00:27:27] But there is certainly pieces from all of that that show up in this movie.

[00:27:35] And that's, to Dan's point, why it may feel disjointed.

[00:27:39] Because, like, some things are, like the memory loss and stuff, that's pulled from, like, the 70s, I want to say.

[00:27:46] And the Origin of Powers is pulled from the 60s.

[00:27:50] And, you know, the binary stuff is pulled from the 80s.

[00:27:55] And there's kind of a mismatch or a mishmash of, like, 50 years of comic history just kind of being distilled into one character here in the movie.

[00:28:12] Yeah.

[00:28:13] And I feel like in some of those cases, it's like they're trying to do one thing.

[00:28:19] Maybe like, hey, get it?

[00:28:20] See?

[00:28:20] We're nerds too.

[00:28:21] Ha ha.

[00:28:21] But then it can kind of turn into, like, okay, I understand that you are, in fact, Marvel.

[00:28:28] And you do know what Marvel things are.

[00:28:31] Can you please just tell me a story?

[00:28:33] Right.

[00:28:33] Yeah.

[00:28:33] Yeah, because, like, you don't get all the backstory.

[00:28:36] Like, that's what makes the comic history.

[00:28:39] The comic history is, like, these are all interweaving stories.

[00:28:41] So you have to get there.

[00:28:43] Whereas, like, at some point when you try and distill it down and you remove the background, you just don't get the rich tapestry of stories.

[00:28:51] That gets you there.

[00:28:52] Oh, so it's almost like the Hulk where, like, if you don't engage in the comics and the backstories and all the different versions, it's just like, all right, what's going to make him mad this episode?

[00:29:05] Yeah.

[00:29:05] Yeah.

[00:29:07] So, yeah.

[00:29:08] Carol Danvers introduced Marvel Super Heroes number 13, December 1967.

[00:29:13] Roy Thomas wrote that one.

[00:29:15] And Gene Cullen was the person who drew it.

[00:29:21] Ms. Marvel is her super-powered alter ego.

[00:29:25] She wouldn't come around until Ms. Marvel number one in October of 1976.

[00:29:31] Jerry Conway, John Buscema, and then the Captain Marvel alter ego for Carol Danvers would not come around until Avenging Spider-Man number nine in July of 2012.

[00:29:44] Kelly Sue DeConnick wrote that one, who maybe was in this movie a little bit.

[00:29:50] And Terry Dodson drew that one.

[00:29:53] So those are kind of the quick intro, like, the issues there.

[00:29:59] But basically, comic story here for Carol Danvers.

[00:30:06] She was born Care-L, which just happens to mean champion in Cree.

[00:30:14] She is the daughter of a Navy officer and a captain of the Cree Army, Mari-L.

[00:30:23] Despite her alcoholic, abusive father thinking that she just needed to find a good husband, Carol joined the Air Force at 18, where she would excel using the call sign Cheeseburger.

[00:30:41] She eventually would raise through the ranks and become the head of security at Cape Canaveral, where she would start to be involved with the Cree Empire and its schemes.

[00:30:53] This is where she would meet Mar-Val, disguised as Dr. Walter Lawson, and Yon-Rogg.

[00:31:02] Carol became infatuated with Mar-Val, a.k.a. at the time Captain Marvel, and began dating him.

[00:31:09] Yon-Rogg used Carol as a pawn in his revenge scheme against Mar-Val.

[00:31:15] This resulted in Carol being exposed to the Psych Magnatron and unlocked her Cree powers.

[00:31:23] The catch was that she developed a split personality.

[00:31:27] When she would black out as Carol, her powers would appear, and she would take on the persona of Ms. Marvel.

[00:31:36] During this era, she worked for a magazine called Woman's Magazine, which was owned by the Daily Bugle.

[00:31:46] Yeah.

[00:31:47] Sorry.

[00:31:53] So, yeah.

[00:31:54] Owned by the Daily Bugle, you know, J. Jonah Jameson is J. Jonah Jameson, and it meant that essentially during her day job, Carol would have to write hit pieces about Ms. Marvel, and then by night, Ms. Marvel would go around and often have to save J. Jonah Jameson from whatever stupid stuff he was getting into.

[00:32:18] After a few trials and tribulations, Carol would discover that she was intrinsically Ms. Marvel, so she could basically express her powers without blacking out from here on out.

[00:32:36] During a 1978 run, she would, with the help of the Wasp, redesign her suit to distance herself from the Cree listeners who are kind of at least tangentially aware of comic books.

[00:32:50] Probably this is the suit for Captain Marvel you have kind of seen.

[00:32:55] It's the black leotard with a yellow lightning bolt running the full length with black thigh-high boots and black opera gloves with a red sash wrapped around her waist.

[00:33:09] This was her kind of uniform for a lot of her run from about 1978 until I think she really moved over to the kind of rubber suit look in the 2000s, the late 2000s, early 2010s.

[00:33:28] Ms. Marvel joined the Avengers in Avengers number 183 in February of 1979, following the Scarlet Witch's leave of absence, because, you know, apparently you can only have so many ladies in the Avengers.

[00:33:47] I just want to say 100% on that.

[00:33:50] There's a lady quotient.

[00:33:53] It's a limited number of women in restrooms in Avengers Mansion, that's the main reason why.

[00:33:58] The line gets super long.

[00:34:00] If you have too many, there's just so many mood swings to deal with, and you just, I mean, how are you going to fight crime, right?

[00:34:08] What if Ultron comes at that time of the month?

[00:34:11] What if they're emotional?

[00:34:12] And they're all sunk up.

[00:34:16] And that's how Thanos timed it perfectly.

[00:34:22] Speaking of menstruation and ovulation, in the obligatory, this is too weird not to include timeline or storyline, Carol had an immaculate conception, followed by a three-day pregnancy, which then she gave birth to Marcus, who is an alleged son of Immortus,

[00:34:42] which is a form of Kang, who then Marcus then seduced Carol, took her to Limbo, learned how to time travel to get Carol back to her time.

[00:35:02] I could not follow that storyline, and that's about as far as I got.

[00:35:07] What I'm learning about Marvel as a casual fan-ish, what I'm learning about the comic books is that there are definitely in-between times where it's like,

[00:35:21] all right, so then he turns into an octopus, and June's had time travel, and then it barfs out a whole other universe, but then his mom comes along and eats it up, and it's all on top of the turtle that's from the It books.

[00:35:35] Exactly, yes.

[00:35:37] Exactly, yes.

[00:35:37] Yeah.

[00:35:39] You're referencing the 94 to 96 comic run.

[00:35:43] Right.

[00:35:44] Turtle back.

[00:35:46] And I'm starting to land on the idea that maybe Doctor Strange was created as a way to deal with those moments.

[00:35:56] To just be like, I don't know, Doctor Strange did it.

[00:35:59] It happened.

[00:36:01] Completely.

[00:36:02] Yeah.

[00:36:02] So after that storyline, she did leave the Avengers.

[00:36:06] She moved to San Francisco.

[00:36:08] After being saved from a plot set forth by Rogue, who at the time was a protege of Mystique, Carol ran with the X-Men for a while.

[00:36:19] She infiltrated the government using her military credentials and helped the X-Men destroy all records of the X-Men during this time.

[00:36:28] While partying in space with the X-Men to celebrate this success, she was kidnapped by the Shi'ar Deathbird.

[00:36:37] While kidnapped, she was tortured and experimented on, which caused cosmic abilities to manifest, and she became physically merged with the fabric of the universe.

[00:36:46] This gave her access to unlimited cosmic energy, which she would express in the form of light, heat, and radiation.

[00:36:54] Sounds familiar.

[00:36:56] So space powers.

[00:36:57] Space powers.

[00:36:58] Got it.

[00:36:58] At this point, she took up the moniker Binary and became a galactic hero.

[00:37:04] Not non-binary.

[00:37:07] During this time, she also would hang out with the Starjammers.

[00:37:12] Her Carol persona possessed Rogue, so like her, like Carol Danvers possessed Rogue, which was real weird.

[00:37:21] She generally had a bunch of adventures that almost all ended with she used her powers to fix the thing and light its ignition.

[00:37:30] Right.

[00:37:31] From here, she found that she didn't have powers she once had.

[00:37:36] She changed her name to Warbird.

[00:37:39] During her run as Warbird, she was kind of...

[00:37:43] Language!

[00:37:45] She didn't tell the Avengers she was weaker.

[00:37:48] She would go on missions drunk.

[00:37:50] Just kind of arrogant.

[00:37:53] Wait, okay.

[00:37:55] I mean, honestly, that could make work.

[00:37:56] I want to read those comics.

[00:37:59] That sounds amazing.

[00:38:01] That could be my end of year review right there.

[00:38:03] At work.

[00:38:05] She eventually got kicked out of the Avengers because she endangered Quicksilver's puppy, a.k.a. Lockjaw.

[00:38:16] Yeah, I...

[00:38:19] Reading, like...

[00:38:20] It's amazing that this company is a major film studio.

[00:38:23] It's just like...

[00:38:27] You have to...

[00:38:28] You have to really feel for, like, the low-level, like, writers who have to review all these comic books.

[00:38:35] It was like, I just read five years of comics.

[00:38:38] There's nothing in there.

[00:38:39] I can't take any of it.

[00:38:41] Okay.

[00:38:42] There's both nothing and way too much.

[00:38:44] And way too much.

[00:38:45] Maybe we could bring in Potato Boy.

[00:38:47] I don't know, man.

[00:38:50] Paint Pop Pete.

[00:38:51] Let's go!

[00:38:54] And I just...

[00:38:55] I almost wish that, like, they would have embraced that part of it from the...

[00:38:58] It would have been a terrible, terrible business move up front.

[00:39:02] But I think over time, if they would have just sprinkled in a little more of that, like, hey, we can go fully, like, weird as hell.

[00:39:10] Like, you have no idea.

[00:39:14] I think this is the behind-the-paywall plan, right?

[00:39:17] Yeah.

[00:39:19] Yeah.

[00:39:21] So after the obligatory late-90s alcoholism story arc, where she went to AA with Iron Man...

[00:39:30] No, I'm not kidding.

[00:39:31] That happened.

[00:39:33] She joined the Avengers.

[00:39:35] Oh, and they said, to their alcoholism, they said, talk to the hand.

[00:39:39] That's another reference.

[00:39:41] 90s reference for her.

[00:39:43] She was a key player in the King Dynasty story arc and leading up to the Civil War event.

[00:39:49] She also changed her name back to Ms. Marvel during this time.

[00:39:52] During Civil War, Ms. Marvel was team registration and was part of the S.H.I.E.L.D. Cape Killers squad.

[00:40:00] She would eventually become the head of the Avengers Initiative, which was the official version of the Avengers that was assigned to the state of New York as its protection team.

[00:40:10] After playing a large part in Secret Invasion and Dark Reign, Carol, the original Captain Marvel, a.k.a. Mar-Vell, and another Kree by the name of Novar would get caught up in a plot to bring the Phoenix Force to Hala during the Avengers vs. X-Men storyline.

[00:40:31] This culminates in Mar-Val sacrificing himself and Carol adopting the mantle of Captain Marvel.

[00:40:38] This happened in Captain Marvel, Volume 7, Number 1, July of 2012.

[00:40:45] This was in order, obviously, to honor Mar-Val, who just sacrificed himself.

[00:40:52] From there, I'm going to just go highlights here for a second.

[00:40:57] For the last decade or so of comics, she had a brain leisure.

[00:41:02] That would cause memory loss if she used her power of flight, which, of course, she had to use her power of flight to save the world from Yon-Rogg, causing her to lose all of her memories.

[00:41:13] And then in 2013, after she lost her memories, she was attacked with the power of social media and misinformation.

[00:41:24] I'm not kidding.

[00:41:25] That's an actual comic book storyline.

[00:41:28] Oh, so prescient in a few ways.

[00:41:32] Yeah.

[00:41:32] Okay.

[00:41:33] Yeah.

[00:41:35] She went to space and basically played out the story of the Marvels, the next movie she's in.

[00:41:45] So if you want a little heads up on that one, you can go read the Captain Marvel and Guardians of the Galaxy's run from 2014.

[00:41:55] That's where those are.

[00:41:58] She was a key player in nearly every event, Secret Wars, Civil War II, Infinity Wars, etc.

[00:42:04] She had the obligatory rage problem arc, where her rage was the problem.

[00:42:09] She had a false double agent arc, which actually created a pretty cool costume that was all black and red.

[00:42:16] She became an accuser.

[00:42:18] She did some time travel stuff.

[00:42:20] She split off an energy double who would become the current version of Binary.

[00:42:26] As of most recent, Carol was elected the Avengers chairperson and in a genius act of recycling comic book storylines,

[00:42:38] The Negabands, which are an artifact that features heavily in Kree storylines, got Carol cosmically entangled with Yuna Yang.

[00:42:59] This storyline will sound very familiar as I go through Mar-Vell's story, but basically only one of them can be on Earth at a time.

[00:43:07] The other one's in the negative zone.

[00:43:10] It's like Mickey Mouse in the parks.

[00:43:12] Yeah.

[00:43:13] Okay.

[00:43:13] Exactly.

[00:43:16] So yeah, that's Carol Danvers.

[00:43:18] That's the longest one we have.

[00:43:19] So the next one up here is Mar-Vell, and I will say there is a ton of Mar-Vell stories.

[00:43:26] I tried to cut it down because ultimately they didn't appear for very long in the movie, so not worth spending all that much time on.

[00:43:38] Introduced Marvel Superheroes number 12, October of 1967, written by Stan Lee, drawn by Gene Colan, although he hated the design of the character.

[00:43:49] He said it was an imitation of any of the other costume characters he'd ever done.

[00:43:55] So basically he was like, yep, I did it, but it sucked.

[00:43:59] Mar-Vell is a...

[00:44:00] You've all had those jobs, right?

[00:44:03] Right?

[00:44:04] Yeah.

[00:44:04] I guess I have to.

[00:44:05] But I did get paid.

[00:44:09] Mar-Vell is a pink Kree, a.k.a.

[00:44:11] a Kree whose skin is the same color as Caucasian humans rather than the, quote, blue Kree.

[00:44:17] Mar-Vell was separated from his parents and sent to a military school at a young age.

[00:44:22] He joined the Imperial Kree army right out of school where he served under Captain Solar.

[00:44:31] Yes, all of their names are stupid.

[00:44:34] Not to be confused with Han Solo.

[00:44:39] You should rename this episode specifically to be Punipod.

[00:44:46] Punipod.

[00:44:47] There is a Kree out there that is D-C.

[00:44:50] D-E-E-S-E-A.

[00:44:52] I actually really like that.

[00:44:56] One of his first missions, one of Mar-Vell's first missions actually has been retconned to be Groot's origin, which is kind of fun.

[00:45:06] On Earth, Mar-Vell witnessed Dr. Walter Lawson's apparent death on his way to his undercover assignment on Earth.

[00:45:14] Conveniently, Dr. Lawson just happened to look a lot like Mar-Vell, so he just picked up that name.

[00:45:20] He was just now Dr. Walter Lawson.

[00:45:24] As I mentioned above, there was a romantic relationship between Carol and Mar-Vell.

[00:45:29] Mar-Vell was a frequent pawn of Kree Supreme Intelligence in its attempts to take over Earth.

[00:45:37] One such plot, which kind of created the character that Mar-Vell ended up being for quite some time,

[00:45:43] caused him to be cosmically linked with Rick Jones, who is basically the sidekick to every 60s or 70s comic in Marvel Comics.

[00:45:57] I love that idea of them all sharing a sidekick.

[00:46:01] It's awesome.

[00:46:02] It's hilarious he hasn't been in the movies, because Rick Jones is like, he gets gamma irradiated, I think, at one point through a Hulk storyline.

[00:46:16] He ends up entangled with Captain Marvel and can switch places with him for three hours at a time.

[00:46:24] He's literally the consummate sidekick.

[00:46:29] So he's like the substitute teacher of the Marvel Universe.

[00:46:32] Exactly.

[00:46:33] I love that.

[00:46:35] Eventually, this leak would get exploited near the end of the Kree-Skrull War, and it would grant the Supreme Intelligence psionic powers.

[00:46:47] In the 80s, Captain Marvel was exposed to Compound 13 and was discovered to have lung cancer.

[00:46:54] The Negabands, which I mentioned earlier.

[00:46:59] Negabands.

[00:46:59] Okay.

[00:47:00] I know.

[00:47:01] It's careful.

[00:47:03] It's careful.

[00:47:04] Just call them negative bands, just to avoid getting...

[00:47:06] I thought you were saying megabands the whole time, but now it's far more dodgy.

[00:47:13] Okay.

[00:47:14] Okay.

[00:47:14] They're Kree artifacts that intensify his powers and link him to Rick Jones.

[00:47:21] They simultaneously slowed...

[00:47:23] I love that.

[00:47:24] They slowed the progress of his cancer while also making all other treatments ineffective.

[00:47:30] So there they are.

[00:47:33] Eventually, Captain Marvel would die because of this lung cancer he had gotten.

[00:47:39] So this was in the 80s.

[00:47:41] He died.

[00:47:42] He would come back through the 90s and 2000s in spirit form,

[00:47:46] aka we're here to keep our trademark.

[00:47:52] He was resurrected and killed by Thanos after the events of the Infinity Gauntlet.

[00:47:59] He was impersonated by a Skrull during the secret invasion.

[00:48:03] He came back to life and was killed by the Marvel character Grim Reaper through one storyline

[00:48:10] and resurrected and, as mentioned above, sacrificed himself to save Hala.

[00:48:18] And I'm guessing that's going to be the final time because they kind of have really placed Carol Danvers in as Captain Marvel at this point.

[00:48:26] So they don't have a whole lot of use for the original Marvel, who was kind of a crappy character anyways.

[00:48:34] So he gone.

[00:48:37] And as we know in this movie, he is not a he.

[00:48:40] He is Dr. Wendy Lawson.

[00:48:44] And Marvel is played by, as David said, phoned in by the actor whose name I am.

[00:48:55] Annette Bening.

[00:48:55] Annette Bening.

[00:48:56] Thank you.

[00:48:59] Rick Jones needs to be the next Marvel TV show.

[00:49:03] I'm Rick Jones.

[00:49:04] That's all I could think of the entire time.

[00:49:07] Mike Jones.

[00:49:08] And just play it for the weird...

[00:49:12] Make it just play up how much of a weird character he is.

[00:49:17] Just like, hey, I'm Rick.

[00:49:19] I'm superpowered, apparently.

[00:49:23] Have Tim Heidecker play him or something.

[00:49:25] Rick, what's your superpower today?

[00:49:27] I don't know.

[00:49:28] What do you want it to be?

[00:49:30] What's the plot?

[00:49:33] What?

[00:49:38] Oh, that would be great.

[00:49:40] Since Tim Heidecker was in our last movie, it'd just be...

[00:49:44] He was Rick Jones the whole time.

[00:49:46] Wait, he's in...

[00:49:47] He's in Ant-Man and the Wasp.

[00:49:49] Oh, yeah.

[00:49:50] Okay.

[00:49:50] Yeah.

[00:49:51] That's right.

[00:49:51] He's like the boat captain on the whale watching boat.

[00:49:55] On the ferry that they got on.

[00:50:00] Which specific ferry is it, David?

[00:50:01] Come on.

[00:50:02] Use your research.

[00:50:03] It's the blue and gold.

[00:50:04] Don't confuse people.

[00:50:05] Not to be confused with the Oakland Alameda ferry.

[00:50:08] Not to be confused with private ferry shuttle services.

[00:50:12] But...

[00:50:12] So a few more characters here.

[00:50:15] Yon-Rogg introduced the same issue as Mar-Vell.

[00:50:19] Yon-Rogg is a colonel in the Imperial Kree Army.

[00:50:23] He's jealous of Mar-Vell's relationship with the ship's medic, whose name is Una, which created this rivalry.

[00:50:30] In the explosion of the Psych Megatron, which empowered Carol Danvers,

[00:50:34] Yon-Rogg, was thought to be killed.

[00:50:36] But in reality, it just enhanced his powers.

[00:50:40] He was defeated a second time when he tried to drop a Kree city on New York City.

[00:50:48] That defeat is what came at the...

[00:50:52] That defeat came at the hands of Carol Danvers, but cost Carol her memories.

[00:50:56] So, that was the storyline.

[00:50:59] Like I mentioned, Carol had the brain lesion, which made her lose her memories.

[00:51:06] Talos is actually kind of an interesting one.

[00:51:08] So, Talos was introduced in Incredible Hulk number 418 in April of 1994.

[00:51:13] Peter David wrote that one and Gary Frank drew it.

[00:51:18] Talos is a Skrull with royal heritage.

[00:51:21] He's actually, in the comic books, incapable of shape-shifting like the rest of the Skrull race.

[00:51:26] He is feared and respected...

[00:51:29] He's a feared and respected warrior who uses the nickname Talos the Untamed.

[00:51:35] Talos' MCU story is actually vastly different from his comic story.

[00:51:40] And his comic story is fairly depressing.

[00:51:44] It's kind of like this constant cycle of losing his honor and regaining his honor.

[00:51:51] He refuses to commit ritual suicide when he's captured, which makes him lose his honor.

[00:51:57] And then he gets rescued.

[00:51:58] And then he fights the Hulk at a wedding to try and earn his honor back.

[00:52:04] Yeah, it's basically one long cycle of his race disowns him and then he does something to get back in their good graces.

[00:52:18] Maria Rambeau introduced Avengers 246 in May of 1984.

[00:52:24] Written by Roger Stern, drawn by Al Milgram.

[00:52:29] Maria is the mother of Monica Rambeau.

[00:52:31] Maria's comic story is actually pretty boring.

[00:52:35] She's just Monica's mom.

[00:52:38] The most interesting part is she owned a dress shop, which allowed Monica to come and go as her superhero persona.

[00:52:47] Maria and Frank, who is Monica's dad, were retroactively established to have been in the military only after...

[00:52:54] Hold on, you didn't say and Frank, right?

[00:52:56] It was and Frank?

[00:52:57] And Frank.

[00:52:59] Okay.

[00:53:00] Were retroactively established to have been in the military only after this movie came out.

[00:53:06] Most of Maria's MCU history is actually borrowed from Monica's story in the comic books.

[00:53:14] I'm going to save that, though, for another movie.

[00:53:16] We'll talk about that when Monica plays a little bigger role.

[00:53:21] A couple of...

[00:53:23] Just a little bit of background on the Kree and the Skrull, because they're, you know...

[00:53:28] The races are almost like a character in this movie.

[00:53:34] The Kree were introduced, Fantastic Four, number 65, in May of 1967.

[00:53:39] That's a Stan Lee and Jack Kirby joint.

[00:53:44] The Kree were a blue-skinned...

[00:53:46] Or are a blue-skinned humanoid race from Hala.

[00:53:49] They're technologically advanced and extremely militaristic.

[00:53:53] They are cursed to be evolutionarily stunted, and their stories are frequently based on genetic purity and have many stories of, like, prejudice and racism within their ranks.

[00:54:06] During their early development, the Skrull pitted them against another intelligent race on Hala, the Katati.

[00:54:15] Ultimately, the Skrulls found the Katati to be more worthy.

[00:54:19] The Kree were enraged by this, which would lead to the Kree-Skrull War and lead the Kree to conquer their home galaxy.

[00:54:28] During the time where they had conquered their galaxy, they interbred with many races, which created the pink Kree, which would eventually outnumber the blue Kree.

[00:54:39] A.K.A. we needed a way to have Kree infiltrate, you know...

[00:54:44] Oh, okay.

[00:54:45] Because I was trying to figure out how they deal with the racism part of that.

[00:54:49] Yeah.

[00:54:50] Okay.

[00:54:50] And the blue Kree, which are the minority, are seen as superior and are racist against the pink Kree.

[00:54:58] Right.

[00:54:59] So you're saying then that the Kree, just so I'm clear about the storyline, they kind of tried to secure the entire region for...

[00:55:11] From the land to the...

[00:55:13] From the sea to the mountains?

[00:55:15] Something like...

[00:55:17] Like, from...

[00:55:18] Right.

[00:55:18] From one geographic body or, yeah, to another geographic body, they are trying to just make sure...

[00:55:28] Yeah.

[00:55:28] Everything around them, regardless of the connection to the Skrulls...

[00:55:36] Yeah.

[00:55:37] Yeah.

[00:55:37] They're just...

[00:55:39] It's like a preemptive offense sort of thing.

[00:55:44] Yeah.

[00:55:45] Okay.

[00:55:45] Yeah.

[00:55:46] Just making sure I understand the comic books and...

[00:55:48] Pre-offensive.

[00:55:49] I don't get it.

[00:55:50] But keep going.

[00:55:54] So the Kree are an ongoing part of the comic universe.

[00:55:57] They notably created the Inhumans by experimenting on ancient humans.

[00:56:05] In more recent times, the Kree lost Hala, went through a civil war, and eventually would join...

[00:56:12] The majority of the group would join the Kree-Skroll alliance, led by the hybrid child...

[00:56:21] The hybrid Emperor Hulkling.

[00:56:26] Which, comic book fans, you've probably had Hulkling running through your mind a lot recently.

[00:56:33] Thanks to Agatha all along.

[00:56:36] The Skrull, on the Kree-Skroll, on the other hand, introduced Fantastic Four number two, September of 1961.

[00:56:42] That was the venerated combo of Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and Steve Ditko creating them.

[00:56:53] The Skrull race we know now are actually the deviants of Skrullos, who were successful in killing off the Eternals and Primes from their home planet.

[00:57:05] Skrullos, in the Andromeda galaxy.

[00:57:09] They are a ferocious and devious warrior race, though in their own way, they are also a noble race.

[00:57:18] They successfully conquered or colonized every planet in the Andromeda galaxy, and have ravaged thousands of galaxies.

[00:57:29] They've also waged wars with just about every race in the comic universe.

[00:57:36] When the comic writers need an extraterrestrial threat, they often turn to the Skrull.

[00:57:42] Huh. That sounds oddly familiar.

[00:57:45] Yeah.

[00:57:46] Sorry. Not related to anything. I'm just talking about comics.

[00:57:50] Yeah, just comics.

[00:57:51] Yeah. No politics here.

[00:57:54] Go vote.

[00:57:56] Oh, this comes out on election day.

[00:57:58] Oh, hell yeah.

[00:58:02] There are some very notable Skrull that have appeared in the comics, but they'll each kind of get their own time.

[00:58:09] I'll do character studies on them as they show up.

[00:58:12] I'm also going to leave the description of their more major story events to when they show up.

[00:58:20] You know, they tend to keep secrets and invade things.

[00:58:25] Hmm.

[00:58:26] Hmm.

[00:58:31] One last character that I want to mention, because it's just fun to mention, is Goose.

[00:58:35] So Goose is based on an actual cat in the books.

[00:58:41] So, introduce Giant Size, Ms. Marvel number one, February of 2006, Brian Reed, Roberto De La Torre.

[00:58:50] During the House of M storyline, Carol Danvers actually finds a cat in the House of M reality.

[00:58:57] At first, she used this cat as a weapon during a fight and threw it at a villain.

[00:59:03] But eventually she would adopt the cat.

[00:59:06] She named the cat Chewbacca Sassy Danvers, a.k.a. Chewie.

[00:59:11] And Chewie would be first identified as a Flerken by Rocket Raccoon and has become a loyal sidekick of Captain Marvel.

[00:59:22] So that's our comic stories.

[00:59:27] Yeah.

[00:59:28] Totally, you know, comics divorced from reality.

[00:59:32] They exist in a bubble.

[00:59:33] It sounds like Captain Marvel generally, at least in the comic books, is more like a name, a vague set of powers, and just kind of like, where do we put them?

[00:59:45] Yeah.

[00:59:46] Okay.

[00:59:47] Yep.

[00:59:48] You got it pretty well.

[00:59:51] So you can write the next one, Dan.

[00:59:56] So that was our comic history.

[00:59:58] That was our behind-the-scenes history.

[01:00:03] So we're going to go ahead, we're going to take a quick break, and then we will get over into the actual movie breakdown right after this.

[01:00:10] We're going to find out who won on this election day, 2024.