Puny Pod | Phase 3 Episode 8: Ant-Man and the Wasp

[00:00:00] Welcome to Puny Pod, the podcast who wants a suit, even one with minimal or maybe even no powers.

[00:00:30] Welcome to Puny Pod, everybody. We are the Marvel Fandom Podcast where we rewatch the MCU in release order.

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[00:00:42] My name is Ryan and my co-host who puts plates on the top rack like an animal is David.

[00:00:49] David, dishwashing habits aside, how are we doing this morning?

[00:00:54] I'm doing pretty well, man. I don't look at the intro part, so I'm always surprised at the quote.

[00:01:02] The dishes on the top rack is pretty bad. That's pretty bad. But I do not do that, folks, just so you know.

[00:01:09] I'm doing well. How are you?

[00:01:11] Oh, not too shabby. Not too shabby. I'm happy to get to talk about...

[00:01:17] What spoiler alert, I think we're going to come to the decision that it's a little bit of an underappreciated

[00:01:23] movie. But I am glad to get to talk about some Marvel stuff. I did previously refer to this section of the MCU as the armpit of the MCU.

[00:01:37] Now, I don't mean that derogatorily, but we are here.

[00:01:41] That's because that's oftentimes used as a form of flattery.

[00:01:44] Like, okay. Kansas, you're the armpit of the United States.

[00:01:48] Like, whoa, what did Kansas do wrong?

[00:01:52] We are here between Infinity War and Endgame, which I remember even at the time this was weird.

[00:02:01] Like, you were just waiting for Endgame and you had two other movies come out.

[00:02:07] Yeah. Once you see them all, it makes sense as to, like, how they fit in the story arc.

[00:02:13] And we'll talk a little bit about a character in this movie and a character in the following movie that were supposed to appear earlier in the MCU.

[00:02:21] And, you know, I'd tuck them in somewhere.

[00:02:23] Yeah.

[00:02:26] Well, we are covering Ant-Man and the Wasp.

[00:02:31] Not Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania.

[00:02:33] That'll come in another couple of years.

[00:02:35] Actually, probably another year, I think.

[00:02:37] It's about where we are from that one.

[00:02:39] But the first Ant-Man and the Wasp movie, the second Ant-Man movie.

[00:02:46] So with that, I'm going to hand it over for our traditional production detail information to David.

[00:02:55] Davis, give us the details.

[00:02:57] I need to find a name for this.

[00:02:59] Because behind the scenes doesn't really cut.

[00:03:01] Anyway.

[00:03:02] David Dietz.

[00:03:03] God, it was getting worse.

[00:03:06] Title, Ant-Man and the Wasp.

[00:03:09] Released July 8, 2018.

[00:03:12] As you said, this is the sequel to Ant-Man, which came out three years earlier.

[00:03:16] This was, and I didn't think about it at the time, but this was the first MCU film to have a female character in the title.

[00:03:25] Which I didn't realize.

[00:03:26] It didn't even occur to me.

[00:03:27] And Reed called it organic and noted that the Wasp's final line Ant-Man, it's about Dan Time, is very much about her specific character and the arc in the movie.

[00:03:36] And it's a much larger thing.

[00:03:38] So they didn't call it Ant-Man 2.

[00:03:40] They specifically called it Ant-Man and the Wasp.

[00:03:42] At one point in time, they were talking about calling it Wasp, the Wasp and Ant-Man.

[00:03:48] But they thought that that would be, they didn't choose it because of fan expectations given the comic history.

[00:03:53] So this is also the Disney and Netflix's licensing deal expired with this movie.

[00:04:00] So this is the last MCU movie released to stream on Netflix.

[00:04:05] Phase 3, 8th installment.

[00:04:08] Movie number 20.

[00:04:11] The phase setting.

[00:04:13] So the runtime, one hour, 58 minutes.

[00:04:17] By the way, this film takes place right around the same time as Infinity War.

[00:04:22] The majority occurs before, but as we'll see, they kind of neatly line up at the end.

[00:04:31] Runtime, one hour, 58 minutes.

[00:04:33] Reed insisted that the film clock in under two hours for two reasons.

[00:04:37] One, to your point, I knew we were going to be following Infinity War, which is this massive, epic movie.

[00:04:44] But more importantly, it's a comedy.

[00:04:46] It's an action comedy.

[00:04:47] You don't want to overstay its welcome.

[00:04:49] And so they talk about that.

[00:04:50] In the movie, some of the scenes are on the shorter side because they didn't want the jokes to be repetitive.

[00:04:56] And people would be like, you know, they want to keep people surprised.

[00:04:59] So production budget.

[00:05:02] This one, original Ant-Man, $130 million.

[00:05:05] Ant-Man and the Wasp, $170 million.

[00:05:07] So 31% increase.

[00:05:09] Opening weekend, $57 million for Ant-Man.

[00:05:12] $76 million for Ant-Man and the Wasp.

[00:05:14] Domestic gross was $217 million for Ant-Man and the Wasp.

[00:05:17] Worldwide gross, $623 million, which represented a 20% increase over the first film.

[00:05:23] In 2018, it was number 11, right behind Fantastic Beasts, The Crimes of Grindelwald.

[00:05:30] Don't say that fast.

[00:05:32] And ahead of Ready Player One.

[00:05:35] Ant-Man and the Wasp did pretty well.

[00:05:36] You know, $600 million on film that does not take, it costs $107 million to make.

[00:05:40] Although you compare it to Infinity War that same year, it made like 30% of this $2 billion film.

[00:05:46] It ranks number 22, actually now 23 as I think about it, among MCU movies in terms of worldwide gross.

[00:05:53] Right behind Thor Dark World and ahead of Iron Man 2.

[00:05:57] Nice.

[00:05:58] Yeah, Rotten Tomatoes.

[00:06:00] Critics, 87%.

[00:06:02] Audience, 79%.

[00:06:03] For the first time since Captain America Winter Soldier, both the Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic scores have given an MCU movie's second installment higher scores than the first.

[00:06:16] Not everyone loved it, though.

[00:06:19] So, Brian L. Shaw wrote, quote, this is an Amazon review, quote, lame isn't even worthy of describing it.

[00:06:26] Deadpool is geared for adults.

[00:06:28] This was geared for five-year-olds.

[00:06:29] It's like watching Barney without the purple dinosaur.

[00:06:32] So, production.

[00:06:36] Is it that immature of a movie?

[00:06:39] I don't think it's – it's not like villains are slipping on banana peels or – you know what I mean?

[00:06:46] Anyway, I don't know.

[00:06:47] Like, no, there's no cussing.

[00:06:49] There's no tasteful nudity or anything.

[00:06:51] No, but yeah.

[00:06:53] Anyway, so, Brian L. Shaw, not a huge fan.

[00:06:56] Production development notes.

[00:06:57] So, in June 2015, the director, Peyton Reed, expressed interest in returning for a sequel or a prequel to the film, saying he'd really fallen in love with these characters and felt there's a lot of story left to tell with Hank Pym.

[00:07:11] At one point in time, they talked about going back and telling – having Hank Pym as Ant-Man type movie.

[00:07:18] July 2015, Michael Douglas said he was not signed for any additional films but would look forward to doing more in the future.

[00:07:26] He also expressed a desire to have his wife play – Catherine Zeta-Jones played Janet Van Dyne.

[00:07:33] About that, Michael.

[00:07:35] I already have a plan.

[00:07:36] October 2015, they confirmed the sequel was titled Ant-Man and the Wasp.

[00:07:42] And, you know, November 2015, Reed announced his return and confirmed that Paul Rudd and Evangeline Lilly would reprise their roles.

[00:07:49] The director is Peyton Reed.

[00:07:51] He had never done a lot of sequels, just out of a lack of interest, but he was excited to work on this because there's a lot of story to tell.

[00:07:58] And he said he was inspired by the films After Hours, Midnight Run, What's Up Doc, for the look and feel the movie.

[00:08:06] Screenplay.

[00:08:06] So, we have some new folks writing the screenplay.

[00:08:09] So, Chris McKenna and Eric Summers, who wrote Lego Batman, Spider-Man Homecoming.

[00:08:19] Paul Rudd also wrote, but Edgar Wright, Joe Cornish, and Adam McKay were out on the screenplay.

[00:08:26] Peyton Reed also contributed to the screenplay but isn't attributed.

[00:08:30] It is largely the same cast as the last Ant-Man movie.

[00:08:35] Paul Rudd as Scott Lang.

[00:08:37] You have Evangeline Lilly as Hope Van Dyne.

[00:08:39] Michael Douglas as Dr. Hank Pym.

[00:08:42] New character, Hannah John Kamen as Ava Starr.

[00:08:46] We have technically a recast of Janet Van Dyne, Michelle Pfeiffer.

[00:08:53] Do we see her face or anything when she popped up in the quantum realm?

[00:08:58] So, the flashback in the first film to Janet Van Dyne, the character was played by Hayley

[00:09:05] Lovett on the missile.

[00:09:07] So, they don't show her face, but he told the casting visual effects department, responsible

[00:09:13] for the barely visible eyes that you see behind your mask, and said it wanted to resemble Michelle

[00:09:18] Pfeiffer, which is his dream choice for the role.

[00:09:23] I don't even know if the .25 speed guy would have seen that.

[00:09:28] Anyway.

[00:09:29] We've got to get that guy on here.

[00:09:30] I know.

[00:09:31] We've got to find that guy.

[00:09:32] Lawrence Fishburne is new as Dr. Bill Foster.

[00:09:36] This is his second Marvel movie after appearing in Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer in

[00:09:43] 2007.

[00:09:44] He was also considered to play Blade.

[00:09:46] So, Michael Payne is back.

[00:09:48] Abby Ryder Forston as Cassie's back.

[00:09:50] We have three new villains, four new villains, three new villains, sorry.

[00:09:55] Walter, Walton Goggins as Sonny Birch.

[00:09:57] Randall Park is back as Agent James Wu.

[00:10:01] Divian Ladwa as Usman.

[00:10:03] And Goran Kostic as Anatolyov.

[00:10:06] And then we've got, you know, David Desmolshian.

[00:10:11] I'm going to mess that up.

[00:10:13] No, you got it.

[00:10:14] Did I?

[00:10:14] Yes.

[00:10:14] T.I.

[00:10:15] Harris as Dave.

[00:10:17] Jody, Judy Greer, you know, sadly shows up for like two minutes as Maggie.

[00:10:24] And Bobby Cannavale is Officer James Paxton.

[00:10:26] So, just one other kind of fun thing.

[00:10:31] 2018 is the same year that Lawrence Fishburne jumped from the DCEU to the MCU.

[00:10:36] He was playing Perry White in Batman versus Superman, Don Justice.

[00:10:40] And then Randall Park will later star in Aquaman as Steven Shin.

[00:10:47] So, the one thing I kind of wanted to talk about behind the scenes is the quantum realm.

[00:10:58] And so, Dr. Spiros Michalakis is a quantum physicist and staff researcher at the California Institute of Technology.

[00:11:10] And he was the consultant on this film, on Doctor Strange, on Captain Marvel, on Endgame.

[00:11:17] You know, when he joined the first time, the studio asked him what they should call it when the character gets really small.

[00:11:23] They couldn't call it the microverse due to legal issues.

[00:11:28] Thanks, Fox.

[00:11:29] Yeah, thanks, Fox.

[00:11:30] So, he suggests the quantum realm, which is a real concept that describes stuff that happens at the scale of subatomic particles.

[00:11:38] And so, he explained, you know, the kind of one that came to him, they want to get the science sort of right.

[00:11:45] You know, we'll get into time travel in the future episodes.

[00:11:48] But he explained the science behind getting extremely small to the filmmakers.

[00:11:52] The subatomic realm, he says, is, quote, a place of infinite possibility, an alternative universe where the laws of physics and the forces of nature, as we know them, haven't crystallized.

[00:12:02] And so, this gave Reed, you know, when you think about the quantum realm, you know, it's this open tapestry.

[00:12:09] And so, like, what it would look like, look and feel in the movie, he didn't want it to be too cartoonish.

[00:12:16] You know, you know what I mean?

[00:12:17] Yeah, yeah, super interesting.

[00:12:19] Yeah, and so, if you don't like the quantum realm stuff, Dr. Mikulakis, it's his fault.

[00:12:26] Anyway, so.

[00:12:28] It is cool that they were aiming for, like, science fiction instead of, like, superhero fantasy, right?

[00:12:39] Like, a lot of people kind of draw that line where, like, Star Wars, Star Wars is the prime example of this, where Star Wars isn't really science fiction because it doesn't play by the rules of science necessarily.

[00:12:52] It's a fantasy story with a space setting.

[00:12:56] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:58] Whereas, like, I think with a lot of Marvel stuff and obviously involving things like literal scientists to figure it out, they were aiming for science fiction here with a lot of the Marvel stuff, particularly the Ant-Man stuff, I think.

[00:13:18] Yeah, yeah, I think that's right.

[00:13:19] I think that's right.

[00:13:23] There's a, if anybody has Disney+, and you're watching it there, which you have to be, presumably, as I think about it, unless you own a Blu-ray, is that there was a section to talk about the costuming, particularly like the Wasp.

[00:13:38] It was really, really interesting.

[00:13:39] And one of the things that the – Lewis Frogley served as the costume designer of the film after doing it so for Spider-Man Homecoming.

[00:13:49] And he worked with Ivo Kovny to create the superhero suits for this film.

[00:13:55] And so they were updated from, like, the 1960s style design used in the first Ant-Man and more modernized.

[00:14:03] And so the Wasp suit included, like, wings and include – you know what I mean?

[00:14:07] Like, and so if you look at the coloring and the fabric materials, it was really, really interesting.

[00:14:13] Lily was a little apprehensive.

[00:14:15] This is her first film where she wears a superhero suit after hearing so many of her male co-stars complain about, like, how uncomfortable they were.

[00:14:25] And then she put it on.

[00:14:26] She was, like, she found it uncomfortable.

[00:14:27] Like, a little mildly so.

[00:14:29] And then she realized the problem.

[00:14:31] And she has this famous quote where she holds up her heel.

[00:14:34] And she said, oh, have men not had the life experience of being uncomfortable for the sake of looking good?

[00:14:40] Which I thought was just hilarious.

[00:14:42] That was very funny.

[00:14:43] So anyway, so those are the production details for Ant-Man and the Wasp.

[00:14:50] Nice.

[00:14:51] Nice.

[00:14:52] Well, let's set the stage a little bit.

[00:14:53] But let's – before we actually get into talking about the specific movie, that sort of thing, let's think back to when this movie came out.

[00:15:06] What were your thoughts kind of going into the movie?

[00:15:09] What were you anticipating?

[00:15:11] What were you thinking going into the movie?

[00:15:16] So going in, I mean, I like the first Ant-Man movie fine.

[00:15:21] I do like that it's set in San Francisco.

[00:15:24] Paul Rudd is great.

[00:15:25] So I'm looking forward to it.

[00:15:27] But I really look forward to, like, Endgame.

[00:15:30] And I just want to, like – I don't want to, like – it's not like skipping this movie would make it come out quicker.

[00:15:34] But I just remember being like, okay, cool.

[00:15:37] Where's – and wondering how it would – at this point, how does everything tie to Endgame?

[00:15:42] I agree.

[00:15:44] I agree.

[00:15:44] I think that was – certainly part of it was, like, how is this part of the grander scheme?

[00:15:51] I think I do have the button for this one.

[00:15:53] I think I found it the other day.

[00:15:55] So I'll try and get that out and post it to socials.

[00:15:58] I definitely saw it with the comic book group.

[00:16:04] But, yeah, I think – you know, I definitely agree that there was kind of this anticipation.

[00:16:12] And I was anticipating Captain Marvel, too, because at this point we had – I think by now we had an idea of what Captain Marvel was going to be, which, spoiler alert, that's our next movie.

[00:16:27] But, so, I think – I want to say I have some weird memory of, like, going into Ant-Man and the Wasp and, like, actually being excited for the trailers.

[00:16:41] And, like, because they had a tendency of kind of premiering the next movie's trailer at the, like, showing of the movie previous.

[00:16:53] So, you know, not to take away from Ant-Man and the Wasp, but there was a little bit of, like – I was kind of looking forward to what comes next, right?

[00:17:03] And so, I remember that.

[00:17:06] I like Ant-Man.

[00:17:08] I was excited for, you know, another kind of heisty adventure is what I was hoping for, you know, similar to the first Ant-Man movie.

[00:17:22] But, yeah, I would agree that there was a little bit of kind of looking past this one that was going on when I was first getting into it.

[00:17:33] Yeah, and I think this goes to your point about it being maybe a little underappreciated.

[00:17:38] Perhaps not the armpit of Phase 3.

[00:17:41] But, like, just the – you just kind of – I don't want to say gloss over, but it's just – you see it sandwiched or bookended by these two Avengers movies that just kind of overwhelm.

[00:17:53] So, yeah.

[00:17:54] And on rewatch –

[00:17:55] The taint, the grundle, the tabletop, the ABC.

[00:18:01] So, but you said earlier on rewatch, like, what were you thinking when you were coming into this one?

[00:18:06] I was – so, one, this is a movie I haven't watched a whole lot.

[00:18:11] I watched it in theaters.

[00:18:14] I've watched it a couple times.

[00:18:16] Like, it was playing on TNT or something like that, and I watched it.

[00:18:20] I knew this movie more from the clips from it that I – that are often part of, like, Marvel montages or used as memes and that sort of thing, right?

[00:18:33] So, like, the giant Pez dispenser or Ant-Man using the truck as a scooter.

[00:18:41] Some of those sort of things that tend to be a little bit more, like, used for humorous effect on the internet is how I – are more of the memories that I had tied with this movie.

[00:18:55] Like, the world's greatest grandma trophy that seems to be an Easter egg that Disney likes to use a lot in its, like, real-world places, like, in the parks or on the cruise ships, those sort of things.

[00:19:11] They like to use that prop as, like, a little Easter egg thing.

[00:19:17] And so, those were the things that I was more tied to this movie going in.

[00:19:22] I was excited because this is one I haven't watched a lot.

[00:19:26] But I get excited through this rewatch to go to movies that I haven't spent a lot of time with because it – I don't know.

[00:19:38] It feels like I'm, like, filling out the roster a little bit more instead of just constantly rewatching Iron Man and Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3.

[00:19:48] But, no, I like to get to revisit some of these.

[00:19:53] And I'm excited for going forward because after Captain Marvel – actually, after Endgame – I really haven't watched those movies all that often.

[00:20:04] They're the more recent movies, which is part of it.

[00:20:06] But also, like, from here on out, I've watched these movies maybe a handful of times since they came out.

[00:20:14] And so, it's not like where we were where I've been watching them on repeat.

[00:20:20] They're on all the time.

[00:20:21] You know, these are ones that I'm a little less familiar with, which is exciting.

[00:20:26] It means I get to see them with a little bit different perspective.

[00:20:29] Yeah.

[00:20:30] I would say that I, as well, have seen this movie, you know, a handful of times.

[00:20:35] But it's not one that I'm constantly, like, popping on to watch.

[00:20:39] I was interested in how the quantum realm would come about.

[00:20:47] Like, how it would look on rewatch.

[00:20:50] And with the lens that Reed sets it up, that, like, this is basically the Wasp's movie.

[00:20:57] This is bringing her as a new character, her importance of having a female in the title and female, you know, co-lead.

[00:21:04] And so, watching with that kind of lens and really kind of focusing on Evangeline Lilly's performance this time around.

[00:21:11] Whereas in the past, I think, like you're saying, you're looking at special effects.

[00:21:14] You're looking at, like, the action scenes.

[00:21:17] If you're a barrier weirdo like I am, you're looking at all the San Francisco stuff to see if it's accurate.

[00:21:24] But this time, it was, like, really more focused on her.

[00:21:27] And then, like you're saying, how, you know, how does this movie, does this movie really feel comfortable in its standalone nature, but also in leading into Endgame?

[00:21:37] So, yeah.

[00:21:39] Awesome.

[00:21:41] Well, should we get into the breakdown?

[00:21:44] Should we get going with this one?

[00:21:46] Sure, why not?

[00:21:48] All right, man.

[00:21:49] That's what people pay us for.

[00:21:51] We're not paid.

[00:21:53] Join our Patreon.

[00:21:56] We still don't get paid for that.

[00:21:58] But just kidding.

[00:22:00] Just kidding.

[00:22:02] All right, man.

[00:22:03] So, it's 1987.

[00:22:05] We see a DH Michael.

[00:22:06] I can't do my whole.

[00:22:07] Sorry.

[00:22:08] Were you going to do this Luis the whole time?

[00:22:09] I was going to try and do a Luis, and I can't do it.

[00:22:13] No way.

[00:22:14] I talk pretty fast, but I don't talk Luis fast.

[00:22:18] That's pretty quick.

[00:22:18] That's how we get under two-hour episodes.

[00:22:22] All right.

[00:22:23] So, we do open up.

[00:22:26] We hear kind of black screen.

[00:22:28] We see a black screen.

[00:22:29] We hear a voiceover.

[00:22:31] We hear Hank Pym say, I still think about the night.

[00:22:35] Your mother and I had to leave you.

[00:22:38] It's 1987, and we see a DH Michael Douglas and a DH Michelle Pfeiffer playing Janet Van Dyne head out for a quote-unquote last-minute business trip, leaving their young daughter, a.k.a. Hope, in the care of their housekeeper.

[00:22:59] However, this business trip turns out to be a secret mission for S.H.I.E.L.D. as Ant-Man and the Wasp.

[00:23:05] They are trying to stop a Soviet nuclear missile from hitting American soil.

[00:23:11] And before we move on from this, I do want to say the de-aging looked really good.

[00:23:16] Obviously, both of these actors had a large body of work around this time period.

[00:23:22] So, there's a lot to choose from when creating that de-aging.

[00:23:28] Reed said that was one of the challenges.

[00:23:30] He's like, great.

[00:23:31] I picked three of the most memorable actors.

[00:23:34] Everyone knows who they look like when they're young.

[00:23:37] And to de-age them in a way that's not like, you know, Peter Cushing jarring.

[00:23:43] You know what I mean?

[00:23:44] Oh, that's more CGI than de-aging, but you know what I mean.

[00:23:47] Yeah.

[00:23:50] So, yeah.

[00:23:51] We see that they're off on a secret mission.

[00:23:55] And I will also note, we do get a little bit of shades of Hank Pym not being the best dude.

[00:24:05] You know, when he's leaving, he's kind of cold towards Hope where Janet is very warm, joking around with her, telling her how much she'll miss her, all that kind of stuff.

[00:24:15] Whereas Hank is kind of like, all right, honey, we got to go.

[00:24:18] Let's go.

[00:24:20] So, to disarm the missile, they have to get inside the missile.

[00:24:24] But the plating is too thick for their laser blasters.

[00:24:29] So, the only way to get through was to shrink in between the molecules.

[00:24:33] They know this is a one-way trip.

[00:24:35] Once you go that small, there's no coming back.

[00:24:40] Hank is able to shrink, but he can't shrink all the way down to that size, to that subatomic size.

[00:24:48] Due to a damaged regulator.

[00:24:51] But Janet turns off her regulator and goes subatomic to deactivate the bomb and drive the missile into the ocean and save thousands of lives.

[00:25:03] But she is lost to the quantum realm, gone forever, alone and afraid.

[00:25:10] End of movie, because that's the Ant-Man and the Wasp and we have no more Wasp, right?

[00:25:14] I know, man.

[00:25:14] I told you this would be a quick episode.

[00:25:16] Bye!

[00:25:16] No, just kidding.

[00:25:19] Different Ant-Man and Wasp.

[00:25:22] We fast forward to present day.

[00:25:25] Hank tells Hope that after Scott Lang, as the new Ant-Man went subatomic and went to the quantum realm and he came back,

[00:25:38] this caused Hank to wonder if there's any way that they might be able to bring Janet back now that somebody's gone and come back.

[00:25:49] And then we see the Marvel 10 logo because we are still in the year of the 10th anniversary of the MCU.

[00:25:59] After the logo, we go over to check in on Scott.

[00:26:01] Scott, he's under house arrest after violating the Sokovia Accords by working with Captain America in Civil War.

[00:26:08] He's spending the weekend with his daughter, Cassie.

[00:26:12] And with the help of Luis, Scott has set up an elaborate maze in his house for them to play in, kind of doing like this heisty type of thing.

[00:26:22] It's super fun.

[00:26:24] It's great.

[00:26:25] Giant, like, paper mache ant in it and stuff.

[00:26:29] I want him to build one in my house.

[00:26:30] That looks so much fun.

[00:26:32] For sure.

[00:26:34] So they get to the end where they find the world's greatest grandma trophy, which Cassie wants to take to school for show and tell.

[00:26:43] Before they escape and when they're riding on the escape, they're riding down the slide.

[00:26:48] It goes down around the corner and sends them into the backyard, except they have a brittle back fence.

[00:26:57] And Scott's foot breaks through the fence and his ankle monitor just happens to be past the perimeter.

[00:27:06] Bubble.

[00:27:10] That's pretty precise technology.

[00:27:12] If you're asking me, like, but.

[00:27:15] Yeah, I mean, I guess if you got a guy who can shrink, you got to be pretty exacting, right?

[00:27:22] Fair point.

[00:27:22] Fair point.

[00:27:25] So this causes the FBI to pay him a visit.

[00:27:29] We get Jimmy Woo, Agent Jimmy Woo.

[00:27:32] By the way, I think this might be the first time we saw Jimmy Woo in the MCU.

[00:27:40] He this is not too much of a spoiler.

[00:27:42] He'll he'll continue showing up.

[00:27:44] He kind of becomes kind of the new Coulson in a way, I guess.

[00:27:50] He is.

[00:27:50] This is his first appearance.

[00:27:52] Yep, you're correct.

[00:27:53] Yeah.

[00:27:54] By the way, comics background.

[00:27:56] Jimmy Woo is actually a comics character.

[00:27:58] Well, mildly popular one.

[00:28:04] Just like we cringed at some of the naming conventions around Black Panther.

[00:28:08] Get ready.

[00:28:09] Jimmy Woo was introduced in Yellow Claw number one in June of 1956 by Al Feldstein and Joe Minnelli.

[00:28:20] I'm sorry, folks.

[00:28:21] That is the 1956 comics name.

[00:28:26] He was an FBI.

[00:28:28] He was an FBI agent in general kind of BA in the 50s.

[00:28:34] He worked with the Stark seven, which included also Dum Dum Dugan and Thunderbolt Ross.

[00:28:40] In the modern era, he's an agent of shield.

[00:28:43] So pretty, pretty much what he is in the movies.

[00:28:46] But he wanted to mention him since he does have some appearance in the comics.

[00:28:51] Yeah, and since shield is no more, he's recast as FBI agent, right?

[00:28:56] Right.

[00:28:56] Yeah.

[00:28:57] Yep.

[00:28:58] So Jimmy Woo leads the inspection.

[00:29:01] Make sure Scott isn't doing anything suspicious.

[00:29:05] Scott explains that he had to get creative to entertain Cassie, including learning sleight of hand magic.

[00:29:14] Woo gives Cassie and Scott a big speech and inquires whether Scott has been in contact with Hank Pym or Hope Van Dyne because their tech violates the Sokovia Accords and associating with them violates his plea deal, which means 20 years in prison for Scott.

[00:29:34] I love this.

[00:29:35] This exchange is so good.

[00:29:37] Cassie says, why can't you just leave my daddy alone?

[00:29:41] And Agent Woo, oh, Cassie, this must all seem like a bunch of confusing grownup stuff to you, huh?

[00:29:48] Well, think of it this way.

[00:29:50] Your school has rules, right?

[00:29:52] Like you can't draw on the walls.

[00:29:54] Well, your daddy went to Germany and he drew on the walls with Captain America.

[00:29:59] And that is a violation of Article 16, Paragraph 3 of the Sokovia Accords.

[00:30:05] Now, as part of his plea deal with the Homeland Security and the German government, he was allowed to return to the U.S.

[00:30:13] provided he served two years under house arrest, followed by three years of probation,

[00:30:19] and avoid any unauthorized activities, technology, or contact with any former associates who were or are currently in violation of said accords or any related statutes.

[00:30:32] Okay, sweetie?

[00:30:34] Scott.

[00:30:35] Wow, you're really great with kids.

[00:30:37] Agent Woo, thanks.

[00:30:38] I'm a youth pastor.

[00:30:41] I love that.

[00:30:42] I love that scene.

[00:30:43] It's a great line.

[00:30:46] Oh, he thinks the grownup rules.

[00:30:51] So Woo is impressed with Scott and how well he's kind of holding it together.

[00:31:01] Um, Cassie goes home with her mother, Maggie, and her new and Maggie's new husband, Paxton, who are now both on friendly terms with Scott.

[00:31:13] And, uh, they, they all get to hug.

[00:31:17] And Scott, uh, I love the scene where Scott, like, leans out of the house with his ankles still in the doorway so that he can wave goodbye.

[00:31:26] Uh, great, great comedy there.

[00:31:32] Um, so Scott has three days left under house arrest.

[00:31:37] Easy peasy, he says.

[00:31:39] Uh, Scott does what he can to keep himself occupied.

[00:31:42] He's got electric drums.

[00:31:44] He's drumming.

[00:31:45] Uh, he's bowling in the hallway.

[00:31:48] He's learning online.

[00:31:50] He's learning magic from an online class.

[00:31:53] Karaoke.

[00:31:54] Reading.

[00:31:56] Folding origami.

[00:31:58] Doing, you know, some work from home type work.

[00:32:02] All while the Partridge family theme song.

[00:32:05] Come on, get happy.

[00:32:06] Plays in the background.

[00:32:08] It's funny when pre-watching this, this just reminded me of like COVID lockdown.

[00:32:12] Like, oh, a hundred percent.

[00:32:14] Like, where's your, where's your sourdough starter?

[00:32:17] Or where's your homemade beer?

[00:32:19] Or Scott, where's your podcast, right?

[00:32:21] Yeah.

[00:32:21] Come on, Scott.

[00:32:22] Come on, man.

[00:32:23] Missed an opportunity.

[00:32:25] Um, so then we get our, I, I, this one, I feel like, I think this scene, this, uh, shirtless,

[00:32:35] I worked out for this scene has to, has to be one of the silliest because it, it feels

[00:32:42] like they knew what they were doing.

[00:32:44] This feels like a, a wink to the audience a little bit, but.

[00:32:47] I think so.

[00:32:48] Uh, Scott takes a bath, uh, and he's ripped.

[00:32:53] Like, good Lord, he looks good.

[00:32:56] Uh, but he's taking a bath and, um, well, well in the bath, he slips into a dream where

[00:33:06] he enters the quantum realm and finds himself playing, uh, hide and seek with a young girl.

[00:33:13] And then at the very end of this, he turns to Amir and he sees that he is Janet Van

[00:33:20] Dine.

[00:33:20] So he's in inhabiting her body in this memory slash dream.

[00:33:27] Scott decides to call Hank Pym.

[00:33:29] He decides this is enough that he should call them.

[00:33:31] So he opens up a outlet plate and behind it is hidden, uh, cell phone, which he calls Hank

[00:33:40] Pym on.

[00:33:41] It's been a while since, uh, Hank and Hope, uh, it's been a while since Hank and Hope

[00:33:47] spoke to Scott last, uh, because of his arrest.

[00:33:52] He was doing what he was supposed to do with his, his plea deal.

[00:33:57] Scott leaves a voicemail for Hank about the weird but realistic dream that Scott has.

[00:34:03] Um, Scott was back in the quantum realm where Scott, where Scott saw and then was Hank's

[00:34:12] wife.

[00:34:13] Nothing weird, right?

[00:34:15] Just kidding.

[00:34:16] Very weird.

[00:34:17] Uh, Scott apologizes for the odd call then hangs up.

[00:34:21] Hours later, Scott is tranquilized by something flying in the room.

[00:34:29] Um, I like the, uh, hide it behind an outlet.

[00:34:32] Yeah.

[00:34:34] Yeah.

[00:34:35] Um, I, I will also shout out just because we're on the internet and I'm terminally online.

[00:34:42] So it would kill me to not mention, uh, the book that Scott is reading.

[00:34:47] I clocked it.

[00:34:48] It is the fault in our stars by John green, who is now a tick tock celebrity.

[00:34:53] Uh, he's reading bed just crying.

[00:34:56] Yeah.

[00:34:58] Um, so then we move over.

[00:35:02] Scott wakes up and he is driving somewhere in a shrunken van.

[00:35:08] Well, we don't know what's shrunken at first.

[00:35:11] Uh, first we just notice he's, he's driving somewhere with hope.

[00:35:16] Uh, Scott freaks out about his ankle bracelet, which then hope lets him know that they removed

[00:35:24] it and that the cops still think he's at home.

[00:35:27] Uh, we get to see a fun little scene of the ant, uh, wearing the ankle bracelet, uh, at

[00:35:34] that point.

[00:35:36] So it turns out that it is, is a shrunken van.

[00:35:40] Uh, the, the ant has been programmed to replicate Scott's behaviors, nine hours in bed, five hours

[00:35:49] watching TV, two hours in the bathroom.

[00:35:53] That's kind of weird.

[00:35:54] What's that about?

[00:35:55] Uh, and then Hank and Scott have been keeping tabs on their biggest, um, security threats.

[00:36:05] Uh, sorry.

[00:36:07] Uh, hope and Scott have been, or hope and Hank have been keeping tabs on the biggest security

[00:36:13] threats, including Scott.

[00:36:16] Uh, Scott apologizes for the Germany incident.

[00:36:19] Hope tells him that they're on the run and have lost their house.

[00:36:24] Uh, one quick question about shrinking cars and how that all works really, really convenient

[00:36:33] for stealth, but relatively speaking, wouldn't it take you for freaking ever to get anywhere

[00:36:39] because you know, you have to go so much further.

[00:36:43] You can't, dude, you have got to let that sign stuff.

[00:36:47] Like you either weigh the same, you just, you've shrunk in size, but your mask is still

[00:36:53] the same.

[00:36:54] Like you can't play both ways.

[00:36:57] It'll drive you crazy.

[00:36:58] Don't, don't even, um, one thing on this scene, the director Peyton Reed was disappointed

[00:37:07] that giant man appeared in the captain America civil war movie rather than an ant-man film.

[00:37:14] And so, but that appearance gave Reed the character development opportunities that he needed at the

[00:37:21] beginning between Scott and Hank and hope.

[00:37:24] And so it's clear from the first movie, how Pym feels about Tony Stark, about how he feels

[00:37:30] about the Avengers and how very protective of his technology is.

[00:37:34] So Reed thought to himself, okay, Hank Pym is pissed in this movie and Van and Janet feels

[00:37:41] very, uh, I'm sorry.

[00:37:43] Hope feels very like betrayed.

[00:37:45] And that was the, that was the, the, the hook that you see and which on rewatch you, it becomes

[00:37:50] much more apparent.

[00:37:50] Like, oh, okay.

[00:37:51] These people are actually pretty crabby and haven't talked in a couple of years.

[00:37:55] Yeah.

[00:37:57] Yeah.

[00:37:57] That's, that is really interesting.

[00:37:59] And that's, um, it makes a lot of sense.

[00:38:02] And I, and I think that was, that was something that was interesting while, while I was watching

[00:38:07] this, my wife turned to me and she's like, do you like what they did with Hank in these

[00:38:11] movies?

[00:38:12] You know, as opposed to his comic book counterpart.

[00:38:15] And I, I think what they did is they didn't necessarily change Hank's character, but they, they made it

[00:38:26] much more, uh, what's the word I'm looking for?

[00:38:31] Like it was more of an allusion, uh, with an A than being like explicit.

[00:38:38] It was more implicit.

[00:38:39] That's the word I was looking for.

[00:38:41] It was more implied that he was a grumpy old dude and, and you, you didn't really get

[00:38:47] to see him being a grumpy old dude.

[00:38:49] Um, but it makes, you know, his character makes sense in the way that they did in the

[00:38:55] movies.

[00:38:55] Yeah.

[00:38:55] Yeah.

[00:38:56] He's not abusive wife beater that we see in the comics.

[00:38:58] Right.

[00:38:59] Um, just like the Tony Stark demon in a bottle, like raging alcohol.

[00:39:06] They allude to it in Iron Man two.

[00:39:08] Right.

[00:39:09] So they kind of touch upon it, if you will.

[00:39:12] Um, the other thing I'd like to note is that the lab itself, I'm proud to say it located

[00:39:17] in Oakland.

[00:39:18] It was just a little vacant parking lot that they made that did that.

[00:39:22] Nice.

[00:39:23] Well, uh, that, that spot where, where the lab was is where hope takes Scott, uh, in a

[00:39:30] nondescript building, which is their secret lab.

[00:39:33] Uh, they built, they've been using it for the last two years.

[00:39:37] Uh, the lab includes a bunch of advanced technology, including a tunnel to the quantum realm, which

[00:39:43] they built in order to bring Janet back.

[00:39:45] They aren't sure she's alive, but they have a hypothesis.

[00:39:49] Hank says last night we powered up the tunnel for the first time it overloaded and it shut

[00:39:54] down.

[00:39:55] But for a split second, the doorway to the quantum realm was open Scott and hope.

[00:40:03] And five minutes later, you called talking about mom, Hank.

[00:40:07] I think we, when you went down there, you may have entangled with her, Scott, Hank, I would

[00:40:12] never do that.

[00:40:13] I have too much respect for you.

[00:40:17] Hank quantum entanglement, Scott.

[00:40:24] So funny.

[00:40:25] Yeah.

[00:40:25] Uh, one thing about the quantum tunnel is, uh, it was inspired by Erwin Allen's, the time

[00:40:32] tunnel and it is the largest at the time, what was the largest physical set built for any

[00:40:39] of the MCU films, which Reed says is quote counterintuitive.

[00:40:42] Right.

[00:40:42] Given the, yeah.

[00:40:44] Given that you have to go small.

[00:40:45] Yeah.

[00:40:45] Yeah.

[00:40:45] And then the other thing is like, if you look at it at different points of time, there are,

[00:40:50] um, there are incorporates real world item of different scales.

[00:40:56] And so like, you could see like an electric guitar volume knob and there's like enormous

[00:41:01] battery and erector set pieces.

[00:41:03] And then, you know, when it shrinks down, you see the wheels and the handle.

[00:41:08] And so I just thought that part was kind of fun.

[00:41:10] Yeah.

[00:41:11] Super fun.

[00:41:11] And, and they use the same sort of aesthetics of that quantum tunnel.

[00:41:16] Um, then in the parks as well with like, Hey, with the like Pym testing kitchen and that

[00:41:21] sort of stuff, uh, you can kind of see, see, they kept using that same.

[00:41:26] And the static, which is kind of fun.

[00:41:28] Um, I would also mention that, or I would also ask, so you said that this is the largest

[00:41:35] I'm surprised it's larger than the Wakandan Hill.

[00:41:38] Right.

[00:41:39] It's the, it, I think we're talking about like a physical set piece, like within like,

[00:41:44] Oh, physical set.

[00:41:45] Yeah.

[00:41:46] Within, yeah.

[00:41:46] Within a, within a warehouse or something like that.

[00:41:49] Yeah.

[00:41:49] Versus like the exterior, the, the, um, the, yeah, the exterior Wakanda was

[00:41:56] pretty large.

[00:41:58] Right.

[00:41:58] Um, but yeah, this is, this was like the largest physical set piece.

[00:42:02] That makes sense.

[00:42:03] So.

[00:42:04] That makes sense.

[00:42:05] Uh, so Hank is worried that his tech will end up in the wrong hands.

[00:42:09] So Scott reassures Hank that the, uh, that he destroyed the Ant-Man suit.

[00:42:16] Scott realizes again, uh, or Scott apologizes again for taking the suit.

[00:42:21] And then he describes his dream of playing hide and seek with a little girl who hid in a wardrobe

[00:42:30] that was red with horses on it.

[00:42:34] At this point, um, Hope absolutely realizes what's happening.

[00:42:40] Hank and Hope deduce that Scott and Janet are connected because the, of the time that

[00:42:47] they spent in the quantum realm.

[00:42:49] They are missing a key component to the tunnel, uh, and it'll keep it from overloading again.

[00:42:55] So they head to meet with someone who possesses it.

[00:42:58] They leave the lab and Hope tosses Scott some clothes.

[00:43:02] Hank shrinks their car and replaces it with another shrink shrunken car from a retro Hot

[00:43:07] Wheels rally case.

[00:43:08] Hank shrinks the lab and takes it with them in the van.

[00:43:12] They do not realize they are being watched by a ghostly transparent figure.

[00:43:18] I like that.

[00:43:19] They use the rally car.

[00:43:20] So in like other movies, you don't, you just replace the license plates and they just

[00:43:25] replace the cars, which I think it's kind of fun.

[00:43:27] Yeah.

[00:43:28] Imagine just being able to have just a garage of cars that you can do, you know, just,

[00:43:34] this is what I need for this application.

[00:43:36] Here's what I need for this one.

[00:43:38] Oh man.

[00:43:38] I, when I was young, I remember Hot Wheels rally cases.

[00:43:41] I did not have one.

[00:43:42] I had a friend who had one.

[00:43:43] I was extremely jealous.

[00:43:44] It was very cool.

[00:43:46] Filled with cars.

[00:43:47] It's like, oh man.

[00:43:49] Yeah.

[00:43:49] But to have it in real life, that'd be great.

[00:43:52] So sweet.

[00:43:53] So in the van, Hank, uh, in the van, Scott asks Hank, Hank, if he can have an Altoid mint

[00:44:00] and Hank snatches away the tin.

[00:44:03] Uh, that is the last that we'll ever see of that, that little Altoid.

[00:44:08] It's just a little product placement for Altoids.

[00:44:10] That's right.

[00:44:12] Uh, just kidding.

[00:44:14] It's a MacGuffin.

[00:44:15] Um, so we arrive at we, a San Francisco high-end restaurant where we say yes to everything.

[00:44:24] Yes to farm to table.

[00:44:27] Yes to, yes to Sonny Birch.

[00:44:31] Yes to health, numerous health code violations, which would shock you.

[00:44:36] Uh, oh, so the owner is Sonny Birch, uh, played by Walton Goggins.

[00:44:41] Also a super minor, uh, character.

[00:44:45] Um, I did not write down his first appearance.

[00:44:47] I think it was sometime in 2003 or something like that.

[00:44:50] In the comics, he's actually the, he was, he was originally the chairman of Cross Technologies,

[00:44:56] uh, which we know Cross Technologies from the last Ant-Man film.

[00:44:59] And then, uh, he actually would become a government bureaucrat who made Iron Man's life hell for a while.

[00:45:09] Um, which kind of fits Walton Goggins' persona here.

[00:45:15] Um, so Birch is in a, or he's a black market technology dealer here in the movie, uh, contacted by a customer who is called Susan,

[00:45:25] uh, who wants to purchase a component called the Quantum Stabilizer.

[00:45:31] Susan, by the way, is not anything I can find related to the Van Dyne.

[00:45:36] There, there was a Susan Van Dyne in an alternate universe, but,

[00:45:40] Sam, man, there's a bajillion alternate universes and you could probably roll a dice and get,

[00:45:47] you know, a name that, that showed up as a name in an alternate universe.

[00:45:52] But, maybe it's a Sue Storm reference.

[00:45:55] I don't know.

[00:45:57] Um, but Susan is actually Hope.

[00:46:00] Uh, we see her enter the restaurant while Hank and Scott monitor the situation from the van.

[00:46:08] Birch has a mole in the FBI who told Birch that Susan's real identity is Hope Van Dyne.

[00:46:17] And, and Birch has discovered that Pim and Van Dyne are building the Quantum Tunnel.

[00:46:25] Birch says, oh, you think that I don't know what you've been building with all this?

[00:46:31] Quantum technology?

[00:46:33] Now you can forget nanotech, forget AI, forget cryptocurrency.

[00:46:39] Oh, I wish we could.

[00:46:41] Quantum energy is the future.

[00:46:42] It's the next gold rush.

[00:46:45] Birch.

[00:46:45] I should have made you do it in his accent, but.

[00:46:48] I do, I do like the idea of like a, a split screen with Michael Douglas in the van.

[00:46:54] And, you know, Sonny Birch is talking about like the future is quantum energy and forget AI.

[00:47:00] And he's just nodding like, yes, somebody who gets it.

[00:47:03] Yes.

[00:47:06] Oh, so Bert, Bert, Bert wants it.

[00:47:10] He wants, uh, he tells Hope that he has arranged for buyers for their lap.

[00:47:17] Uh, their opening bid is $1 billion.

[00:47:21] And this is where Hank Pim's like, sell, sell it.

[00:47:26] We need the can.

[00:47:28] Uh, when Hope rejects his offer, Birch, uh, Birch tells her that she can go, but refuses to give her the component and keeps her money.

[00:47:39] Hope warns Sonny before she leaves that it will be way easier if he just gives her the component.

[00:47:47] Uh, Skate, Scott and Hank Skate.

[00:47:51] That's a, that's a good new ship name.

[00:47:54] Uh, Scott and Hank watch the feed from the van.

[00:47:59] Scott.

[00:48:00] Now what?

[00:48:01] Hank.

[00:48:02] You'll see.

[00:48:04] Birch orders Usman to get information about Hope and Hank Pim.

[00:48:10] Suggesting that they could work with his rivals.

[00:48:14] As Birch and his goons start to walk out, they are attacked by Hope in her wasp suit.

[00:48:20] A very cool wasp suit fight, uh, ensues where she uses the suit to alternate between insect and normal size.

[00:48:30] In the restaurant hallway, she shrinks and grows, punching and zapping his men with her stingers.

[00:48:36] She evades a hail of bullets as Sonny's henchmen shoot up this turn-of-the-century chandelier.

[00:48:43] Uh, she knocks one man through a glass window into the kitchen.

[00:48:47] She fights his men in the restaurant's kitchen where she uses like a, uh, salt shaker that she blows up to massive size to block a window or to block a door.

[00:48:58] Um, and it knocks out Usman.

[00:49:00] Uh, she avoids knives.

[00:49:02] Actually, I really like this scene where they throw a, like a chef's knife at her and she kind of like shrinks and runs alongside of it.

[00:49:10] Really, really cool.

[00:49:11] Um, she, uh, avoids being smashed by a meat tenderizer and defeats the rest of the men using various kitchen items in hand-to-hand combat.

[00:49:24] This is also known as the, this could be a Disneyland ride scene.

[00:49:29] Yeah.

[00:49:30] It, it, it, it, the, uh, the guy who's trying to pulverize with the meat tenderizer, um, that, that whole scene struck me as very kind of ratatouille, right?

[00:49:40] Oh yeah.

[00:49:40] The chef scene.

[00:49:41] Um, yeah.

[00:49:42] Pain re-describes this comedic vibe to the action.

[00:49:47] We see it here.

[00:49:48] We see in car chase scenes.

[00:49:49] This, he described it as very kind of Buster Keaton-esque, but also feels very Jackie Chan to me.

[00:49:56] Oh yeah.

[00:49:56] When you watch it, right?

[00:49:57] Yeah, for sure.

[00:49:58] For sure.

[00:50:00] Uh, hope grabs the component and starts to leave when she is attacked by a, the figure from earlier, AKA Ghost.

[00:50:08] Ghost, by the way, comic background real quick, introduced Iron Man 219, March 87, David, uh, Micheline and Bob Layton.

[00:50:18] Uh, Ghost actually in the comics, one is a dude.

[00:50:23] Uh, I should mention that they, they did do a gender swap here.

[00:50:27] Um, Hammer.

[00:50:29] So Ghost is a Hammer employee and also is a Thunderbolt.

[00:50:34] Also has a really dark origin story.

[00:50:36] I'm not going to get too far into it, but it involves him being a technologist and doing some really awful things to his girlfriend.

[00:50:44] Um, yeah, really, really, uh, dark there, but, um, he's mostly, uh, an Iron Man villain.

[00:50:55] Um, but our ghost here, uh, has the power of invisibility, which enables her to be stealth.

[00:51:04] And also she has intangibility, which means that she can phase through anything.

[00:51:09] It also means that Hope's punches go right through her.

[00:51:13] Uh, Scott joins the fight with a new Ant-Man suit, which is still quote unquote a work in progress in order to help Hope.

[00:51:20] Uh, but Ghost escapes, makes her way to the van, phases her arm through Hank's neck and I guess holds his tongue, uh, to keep him from speaking.

[00:51:33] And then she steals the lab.

[00:51:38] Um, they need to regroup.

[00:51:40] They need to find the lab, but they can't go to Scott's house because we know the FBI is watching it.

[00:51:46] They can't go back to the Pimms house because they've lost it.

[00:51:51] And so Scott has an idea of where they can go.

[00:51:56] Yeah, it's pretty, um, we won't get into it.

[00:51:58] Maybe on the super secret spoiler show, we'll talk, get into like the revisiting the Sokovia Accords, but it's, it's, agent, we alluded to it earlier.

[00:52:08] Like, you know, you can't use the technology, which we used is now forbidden as well.

[00:52:12] And so that's why they're, they're undercover.

[00:52:15] So they decide, well, Hey, let's take them, let's take them to work, bring your, take your buddies to work day.

[00:52:21] So they, Scott brings Hope and Hank to hide at the offices of X-Con, the security company, which is run by a bunch of ex-convicts.

[00:52:31] Huh?

[00:52:32] Get it?

[00:52:35] Uh, this is also, uh, the first time Scott has seen the offices because he's been on house arrest for two years.

[00:52:42] So we have this fun scene where Lewis and Dave and Kurt are bickering about the company provided breakfast options.

[00:52:50] And, uh, of course, Scott complains that the desk is really just actually a card table.

[00:52:54] So they figure out that the character ghost that they saw was quantum phasing.

[00:53:00] You're going to hear the word quantum a number of times in this podcast.

[00:53:04] You just put quantum in front of everything.

[00:53:06] I on rewatch, honestly, that's what I thought.

[00:53:09] I was like, I, if I, if I had a drinking game where every time it's a quantum, you take a sip, passed out 30 minutes in.

[00:53:17] So there they try to come up with a plan to locate the lab.

[00:53:21] All of Hank's equipment is in the lab, but Hank figures out that he can find the equipment with the help of Bill Foster, who is a former friend and a colleague of Hank's at shield.

[00:53:32] He's now a professor of quantum physics at the University of California, Berkeley.

[00:53:36] Go Bears.

[00:53:38] Bill Foster was introduced in the comics in Avengers number 32, July of 1966.

[00:53:46] Stanley Don Heck.

[00:53:49] He's actually a fairly major comic character.

[00:53:52] So he kind of, so he's first introduced his, his original name is the, is black Goliath.

[00:54:00] He goes by several different names, Goliath and a giant man stature at one point, which is also used for somebody else.

[00:54:10] But, um, as with most of the Ant-Man characters, they all kind of trade names in and out.

[00:54:16] Um, Goliath's death during the civil war event in the comics is actually a pretty big turning point.

[00:54:22] It's, it's actually the point where, uh, Ant-Man and his party all kind of go over to Cap's side because, uh, Goliath dies.

[00:54:32] He's, he was resurrected after that, but as of, as of writing, he is dead in the main universe.

[00:54:39] Uh, he died in a 2022 arc.

[00:54:41] Uh, but, but yeah, so, so Bill Foster is a pretty big player in the Avengers and in Ant-Man comics.

[00:54:51] Um, much more major than he ever was in the movies, I would say.

[00:54:55] Yeah.

[00:54:56] Yeah.

[00:54:56] And fortunately for this film, he's alive.

[00:54:58] Uh, we, we cut to ghost whose real name is Ava.

[00:55:02] She goes to her home.

[00:55:03] Brings with her the Pym lab.

[00:55:05] Uh, you see her phase involuntarily.

[00:55:09] And so she has to sleep inside the special chamber.

[00:55:12] That's why she needs her suit.

[00:55:13] All of that to control the phasing.

[00:55:15] Um, it's unclear how she knows about the lab or the quantum tunnel being there.

[00:55:23] But, um, Reed describes this character as more of a antagonist than a villain.

[00:55:28] Um, and that her powers are more of an affliction.

[00:55:30] And so she can't control, which she cannot control.

[00:55:33] And so the thought is she needs the tunnel to save her life.

[00:55:37] So Scott and Hank and hope wear sunglasses and hats to go in quote disguise, which is a running

[00:55:46] joke, which you've seen with like Steve Rogers and Natasha and Thor and Bucky Barnes.

[00:55:52] And Scott's like, this is not disguise.

[00:55:55] Anyway, um, they go to the university of California where Bill is teaching class.

[00:55:59] They're actually on the campus that they filmed.

[00:56:03] That's Sproul Plaza.

[00:56:04] It's actually UC Berkeley.

[00:56:04] It's not, you know, Georgia Tech or some other, some other Atlanta, Georgia based university.

[00:56:14] So, um, Bill's teaching class and we see Dr. Foster and he's, he's saying it's, and afterwards

[00:56:21] breaks from the class, takes him to his office and they kind of explaining what happens.

[00:56:27] And Dr. Foster says, it's incredible.

[00:56:29] You link to Janet.

[00:56:29] It's quantum entanglement between the quantum states of Posner molecules in your brains.

[00:56:36] Scott's like, yeah, that's, uh, what I was thinking.

[00:56:38] Hey, do you guys just put the word quantum in front of everything?

[00:56:41] Super funny.

[00:56:43] Um, and we get, this is a great Lawrence Fishburne scene.

[00:56:48] I think he's great in this movie, by the way.

[00:56:51] So Bill Foster tells him that he would like to help, but doesn't have the equipment that

[00:56:55] they need.

[00:56:55] Hank says, quote, I told you this was a waste of time and let's leave.

[00:56:59] And then Bill just like claps back and says that he's not the one wanted by the FBI all

[00:57:03] because he grew to a size that finally fits your ego.

[00:57:09] Hank then tells Bill there was actually Scott, not him, which then piques Bill's interest.

[00:57:14] And so Bill and Scott nerd out about there being giant sized, you know, Bill's like, I got

[00:57:22] to 21 feet.

[00:57:23] He was like, how about you?

[00:57:25] He's like, I said, ah, don't worry.

[00:57:27] No, no.

[00:57:28] How about 65 feet?

[00:57:29] Like, Ooh, before Hank makes another dismissive comment.

[00:57:32] So Bill still holds a grudge with Hank.

[00:57:35] And to your point about the Hank character, you see him as kind of cranky.

[00:57:41] Um, you know, these guys were former really good friends and coworkers.

[00:57:44] Like one point in time when he, when Bill first himself as a partner, he was like partner.

[00:57:49] Um, but you know, he just, he still holds a grudge on the work they did together decades

[00:57:54] later on project Goliath and calls Hank temperamental, stubborn, and impatient.

[00:58:01] So Scott happens to look out the window, sees agent Wu and fellow agents outside, um, thinking

[00:58:07] they know that these in there.

[00:58:08] So before they go, Bill tells them that they can locate the lab by modifying a diffractor

[00:58:13] on one of the suits regulators.

[00:58:15] How he knows this, I have no idea why Hank didn't think of this himself.

[00:58:21] I have no idea, but Hank says they can't use the new MN suit because it's a work in progress.

[00:58:26] So Scott finally comes clean and reveals he never really destroyed the original Ant-Man

[00:58:33] suit.

[00:58:34] His reason for not destroying it was, it was Hank's life work.

[00:58:38] And so he, he, I think he legitimately felt bad about destroying this thing.

[00:58:42] So the older suit is in a trophy world's greatest grandma trophy that Scott and Cassie were playing

[00:58:49] with earlier and which he gave to her at the beginning of the movie.

[00:58:52] And it turns out that she is now taken to school for show and tell.

[00:58:55] So you get a fun scene where Scott wearing the work in progress Ant-Man suit and hope,

[00:59:05] uh, sneak into Cassie school, but the regulator on Scott suit malfunctions because it hasn't

[00:59:11] been upgraded in a while.

[00:59:12] So now he gets stuck between like three feet and 20 feet.

[00:59:15] You know, he, he shrinks down again and he don, he puts on like a lost and found sweatshirt

[00:59:22] and it looks like he's like three feet tall.

[00:59:25] It looks like he's like a fifth grader or not fifth grader, like a, like a first grader.

[00:59:29] He's just, yeah, running around flapping his arms.

[00:59:31] And, um, he goes to Cassie's, uh, classroom.

[00:59:35] Um, it is Mrs. Broadwell.

[00:59:37] I don't know how he knows where it is cause he's never been to the school and maybe he's

[00:59:43] heard the teacher's name, but he's not been in any like parent teacher conferences unless

[00:59:46] it was like a zone.

[00:59:46] But anyway, whatever, let's put it aside.

[00:59:49] He gets a suit out of the trophy.

[00:59:52] Uh, he, there's this kind of fun, um, hope says, you know, only Hank, if only Cap could

[01:00:00] see you now, which is, which is this very kind of funny moment.

[01:00:04] Um, Mrs. Broadwell, I should also point out was, uh, Peyton Reed's eighth and ninth grade

[01:00:09] English teacher.

[01:00:10] And so, yeah.

[01:00:12] So when he runs out, um, it's this very, um, these scenes are very tricky, um, to get the

[01:00:20] proper sizing between like Evangeline Lilly and Paul Rudd.

[01:00:25] Um, Reed talks about how they had to like use motion control cameras, even when he's

[01:00:30] leaving the school, it's, you know, he's still normal size.

[01:00:34] So they used a giant green screen with a railing for Paul as he went down the steps outside

[01:00:38] of school, hops in the van.

[01:00:40] Hank says, hi champ.

[01:00:41] How was school today?

[01:00:42] It's got like, ha ha ha.

[01:00:44] All right.

[01:00:44] Get your jokes out now.

[01:00:45] Can you fix this suit?

[01:00:46] And he's like, you get three feet tall.

[01:00:47] Hope's like so cranky.

[01:00:49] Hank's like, you want a juice box with some string cheese?

[01:00:52] And Scott's like, you really have that?

[01:00:55] So good.

[01:00:56] So good.

[01:00:57] Yeah.

[01:00:58] So, um, they, uh, so Hank, and this is also like a, um, one thing I noticed on rewatch

[01:01:08] is like Hank is like the tinkerer.

[01:01:10] He is the garage mechanic.

[01:01:12] He's the person who's going to like, he cannibalizes the old Ant-Man suit.

[01:01:16] He's not, so he's not like, it's not like Stark technology where everything's new.

[01:01:20] Yeah.

[01:01:20] Yeah.

[01:01:20] So he uses it, builds the tracker using the Ant-Man suit and then locates the lab.

[01:01:25] They go to Ava's home to prepare, uh, and prepare to retrieve the lab.

[01:01:31] Um, and there's a fun exchange between Scott and Hope.

[01:01:37] And he's like, Scott's like, look at us.

[01:01:39] Teamed up twice in one day.

[01:01:44] Hope's like, makes you think, huh?

[01:01:48] Scott's like, about what?

[01:01:49] And she says, Germany.

[01:01:51] Scott says, what do you mean?

[01:01:53] We worked together, trained together and other stuffing together.

[01:01:57] Uh, Scott says, if I'd asked you, would you have come?

[01:02:00] Hope says, I don't know, but I know one thing.

[01:02:01] If I had, he'd never been caught.

[01:02:03] So this is, yeah, this is, this is not that they've had some sort of relationship.

[01:02:09] And, um, it's also a nod to the fact that they were considering bringing in Wasp in Captain America Civil War and opted not to bring her in and to bring her in this movie.

[01:02:20] Scott and Hope make their way inside the house, find Ava there sleeping in her chamber as they grow in size to grab the lad.

[01:02:28] She attaches them.

[01:02:29] She attacks them and ties them up.

[01:02:30] But she reveals she is working with Bill who took her in as a child.

[01:02:37] So the actor, Hannah John came out, I should note, was cast as a relative unknown.

[01:02:43] So they want her character to be a little bit more mysterious and said that, you know, that her character, she captures what was intended, this kind of vulnerable, kind of ferocious at the same time.

[01:02:56] She's kind of burdened with her affliction.

[01:02:58] So that was kind of interesting way to describe it.

[01:03:01] Relative unknown who just, you know, then signed a Disney contract and ended up in Star Wars and Marvel.

[01:03:09] Yeah.

[01:03:10] Actually, I didn't realize she was in Ready Player One, same year that this came out.

[01:03:13] I did not realize it either.

[01:03:14] So, but at the time, kind of early on in her career.

[01:03:17] And I think coming back for Thunderbolts.

[01:03:21] Yep.

[01:03:22] Yep.

[01:03:22] So we'll see her again.

[01:03:24] I guess not to spoil the fact that she doesn't die in the movie.

[01:03:26] Anyway, so they get tied up.

[01:03:30] Ava talks about her father, Elias Starr, who was a former colleague of Hank's, who was discredited and fired by Hank for trying to steal his research.

[01:03:37] And again, another aggrieved former associate, Elias Starr, who was actually Egghead in the comics.

[01:03:42] We see his background.

[01:03:46] He is trying to create his own experiment to reach the quantum realm in an attempt to restore his credibility.

[01:03:55] But his own tunnel becomes unstable.

[01:03:58] Elias orders his wife and daughter to escape.

[01:04:00] But Ava ran back to her father.

[01:04:02] The tunnel caused a huge explosion, which kills Elias and his wife.

[01:04:06] But Ava survived and her molecules become destabilized, resulting in her phasing.

[01:04:12] You see her being rescued and the person who's rescued, the emergency response person who tries to rescue her, tries to hold her and can't hug her.

[01:04:22] Which is a gut punch.

[01:04:23] Yeah, yeah.

[01:04:24] So we see then a young, digitally de-aged Bill Foster, who's actually played by his son, Langston Fishburne, meeting with Ava.

[01:04:38] And so the de-aging is when they take the older actor, you shoot the older actor, you blend it with the younger actor, and then you just kind of blend them together.

[01:04:49] And that's how you get what looks like a very young, a very realistic Lawrence Fishburne.

[01:04:56] We, you know, S.H.I.E.L.D. saw an opportunity in her condition and basically weaponized her as a spy and assassin.

[01:05:03] We see some great footage from S.H.I.E.L.D. videos where we show Ghost in action.

[01:05:09] Because there's, I just wanted to pause you for a second.

[01:05:13] So her suit was created by S.H.I.E.L.D.

[01:05:15] She was hired as an assassin, and it's likely she was overseen by HYDRA, given the timing of things.

[01:05:22] So a couple things.

[01:05:24] She might have worked with Bucky.

[01:05:25] She might have worked with Winter Soldier, or were aware, because it's at the same time, right?

[01:05:29] Yeah, yeah.

[01:05:32] It sounds gross to say, but it's possible that they probably, they might have done something to exaggerate her condition, potentially.

[01:05:39] Yeah, that the suit, like, kind of doesn't necessarily do all the good that it's supposed to, or maybe it does the good and then some.

[01:05:48] Yeah, like, it will almost, like, make things worse to make her more dependent.

[01:05:51] You know what I mean?

[01:05:52] And then, depending on when she left S.H.I.E.L.D., her genetics were probably given to Baron Ron Strucker, who almost certainly would have tried to make another one of his miracles with it.

[01:06:03] But anyway, so in exchange for her soul, S.H.I.E.L.D. was going to cure her.

[01:06:10] And when S.H.I.E.L.D. collapsed, Dr. Bill Foster took her in and built the chamber to slow her decay.

[01:06:16] And so the suit she wears and the chamber she sleeps in help to mitigate the pain that's caused by her condition.

[01:06:22] But it's progressive, and she's living on borrowed time before she's going to fade away out of existence.

[01:06:30] So, as we're in the middle of this, and as Bill is in the middle of some serious exposition, Scott receives a 911 FaceTime call from Cassie, who cannot find her soccer shoes.

[01:06:45] I loved that moment.

[01:06:46] It's so good.

[01:06:47] I do too.

[01:06:49] It, like, it punctuates what would have been almost too serious of a moment in a very comedic movie with just the right amount of comedy.

[01:06:57] Yeah.

[01:06:58] Yeah, totally.

[01:07:00] And Paul Rudd's great.

[01:07:02] Like, his timing is perfect.

[01:07:04] Like, it works well to kind of break up the scene.

[01:07:06] So, Bill's plan for saving Ava is to extract the quantum energy, which Janet has absorbed for the last 30 years, and use it to repair Ava's molecular structure, even if it might kill Janet.

[01:07:18] Oops.

[01:07:19] Hank fakes a heart attack in order to get Bill to grab the tin of Altoids for his medicines, which really contain Hank's trained ants.

[01:07:28] They grow to large size and help free them and allow the three to escape and take back the lab.

[01:07:33] So, the Altoid MacGuffin from earlier pays off.

[01:07:39] So, after the lab, Hank claims Elias was a spy who tried to steal his research, and he fixes the changes which Bill made to the quantum tunnel, which Hank said would have fried Hope, which would have fried it.

[01:07:54] But one thing to note here, we don't know for sure.

[01:07:59] We don't know much about Elias.

[01:08:03] We do know that it's likely their father was a Hydra agent because he doesn't have the money to do this, and so he'd have to be funded some way or another.

[01:08:13] So, anyway, so Hope is worried that her mom won't remember her, and this is this very kind of like touching moment where Scott reassures her that his memory of Cassie and tells her that this is what got him through prison, and he assures her that Janet will remember Hope.

[01:08:34] Yeah.

[01:08:37] Luis calls Scott to ask for help in fixing the technical diagrams for the Carapetian proposal they're bidding on.

[01:08:45] Scott says he can't travel to Luis to fix the plans, but Scott tells Luis the location of the secret lab so that Luis can bring him the plans to fix.

[01:08:54] Terrible idea, but let's go with it.

[01:08:57] Unfortunately, Sonny Burch shows up having traced Scott's call and orders Luis to tell him the location of the lab.

[01:09:03] Quote, filled with all kinds of juicy tech.

[01:09:08] Luis obviously pushes back, and Bert says, well, I sense a resistance in you, Luis, and I have promised results to some dangerous people, so I'm going to introduce you to my friend Usman.

[01:09:19] Now, Usman is a master of extracting information from unwilling through psychoactive means.

[01:09:25] Luis says, oh, is that truth serum?

[01:09:31] And they go back and forth about the concoction.

[01:09:36] Kurt says, no offencing, but that sounds, but they sound like truth serum to me, which just cracks me up.

[01:09:43] Yeah, the whole truth serum ongoing joke is so good.

[01:09:47] Yeah, it's funny.

[01:09:48] So the concoction was actually created by Usman.

[01:09:52] Practically speaking, it's actually truth serum.

[01:09:54] It's administered to Luis and Dave and Kurt, and they basically give up the goods.

[01:10:02] Bill is desperate to find the lab because the suit and the chamber are barely keeping Ava alive at this point.

[01:10:07] He warns her that she could only survive for a couple more weeks.

[01:10:10] Ava suggests that she take Scott's daughter as hostage as leverage against Scott, but Bill threatens to abandon her if she resorts to such tactics.

[01:10:19] So, you know, we're seeing some real kind of like father-daughter themes in the movie.

[01:10:26] Like we see, you know, Scott Cassie, we see Hank and Hope, and this Bill Ava bond is kind of a concept you see in the movie and even through the end of the movie.

[01:10:38] So we return to the guys at X-Con who've been administered Usman's concoction, which is definitely not truth serum.

[01:10:50] So Luis is like, you know what?

[01:10:51] You're right.

[01:10:52] This isn't truth serum because I don't feel anything.

[01:10:54] That was a lie.

[01:10:55] I did feel something.

[01:10:56] This is truth serum.

[01:10:57] And so, you know, Bert is just getting impatient, and he's just like, where is Scott Lang?

[01:11:06] And Luis goes on one of his fast-paced stories when he first met Scott, and it's like, he's like, well, see, that's complicated because when I first met Scotty, he was in a bad place.

[01:11:15] And I'm not talking about cell block T.

[01:11:16] His wife just filed for divorce, and I was like, damn, homie.

[01:11:20] She dumped you while you were in lockup?

[01:11:21] And he's like, yeah, I know.

[01:11:23] I thought I was going to be with her forever.

[01:11:24] Now I'm all alone.

[01:11:26] And I was like, damn, homie, you got to chin up.

[01:11:28] You'll find a new partner.

[01:11:29] But you know what?

[01:11:30] I'm Luis.

[01:11:31] And he says, you know what?

[01:11:32] I'm Scotty, and we're going to be best friends.

[01:11:33] What are the chances that the hair that Luis has in the monologue scene, like in the prison, is just a mop that he found?

[01:11:47] And he just tossed the mop on his head.

[01:11:50] It would be near the bottom of the worst MCU wigs.

[01:11:56] Tom Hiddleston had one that was pretty bad.

[01:11:59] Thor had one that was pretty bad.

[01:12:00] But this might take the cake for all of them.

[01:12:07] So he goes on and talks about Bert's in a bad place, that Scott was in a bad place.

[01:12:14] And Bert's, he's like, okay, okay, hold on, hold on.

[01:12:19] I like good stories much to the next person, but what in the hell does it have to do with where Scott Lang is?

[01:12:24] And Luis is like, I'm getting there.

[01:12:26] I'm getting there.

[01:12:27] And Dave is like, you put a dime in him, and you got to let the whole story play out.

[01:12:32] He's like, human jukebox, says Kurt.

[01:12:36] And then Luis is just like, oh, and my abuelita had a jukebox in a restaurant, only played Morrissey.

[01:12:41] And if anybody ever complained, she's like, oh, no te gusto mas?

[01:12:45] You know, Chicanos would call them mas.

[01:12:46] Then adios.

[01:12:47] What can I say?

[01:12:47] We relate to his melancholy ballads, you know?

[01:12:51] And he's just getting more and more impatient.

[01:12:54] And there's another funny monologue, which I won't repeat all of, but it's basically like Scott and Hope getting together.

[01:13:03] And then at the end of that very long monologue, which he does a fantastic job, he admits that ex-con is days away from going out of business,

[01:13:11] which causes Dave and Kurt to bicker back and forth with him.

[01:13:14] And Birch is tired of this nonsense and yells at Luis, where is Scott Lang literally speaking?

[01:13:21] Luis is like, oh, the woods, which causes ghosts to emerge from invisibility to ask specifically where the woods is.

[01:13:27] And Luis tells them the specific location.

[01:13:30] Muir Woods, Second Fire Road, off the Panorak Highway.

[01:13:32] Meanwhile, Kurt sings a song for protection from Baba Yaga.

[01:13:37] Baba Yaga, come at night, little children, sleepy time.

[01:13:42] It's so good.

[01:13:43] It's so good.

[01:13:44] You know, the other thing that struck me during the monologue scenes is part of what sells it is the body language of all the actors who are doing the reenactment as well.

[01:13:54] Like Michael Pena's fast talk, like Luis stories are great.

[01:14:00] But the like head bobbing that all the actors do, it's arguably is the best acting that Evangeline Lilly does in this whole movie because spoiler alert, she is not my MVP.

[01:14:12] Oh, her acting is bad.

[01:14:16] Her acting, her acting is bad in her costuming, especially in the first half of the movie is terrible.

[01:14:23] To your point, I mean, the fast talking model where people like lip syncing the words, it's very funny and very well done.

[01:14:30] I would also, the method for doing it is they play it over a speaker and then they lip sync the lines.

[01:14:37] And I would love to see like all the different ticks you're saying because like you see like the head, eyes and stuff like that.

[01:14:42] It's great.

[01:14:43] Yeah.

[01:14:43] Um, but, uh, Reed also said he wanted to feature another scene of Luis riffing this long story, but he didn't want to like repeat the joke from the first time.

[01:14:52] So the idea of putting him under truth serum is what gave them a new way into the scene to like bring back an old joke without repeating the joke, if you will.

[01:15:00] So, and it's also funny that despite being under truth serum, his version still isn't reliable.

[01:15:08] It's basically what he believes.

[01:15:10] It's his version of the event.

[01:15:12] It's what he believes to his core.

[01:15:13] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:15:14] Um, and the last thing I know about the scene is like the Morrissey is like beloved in a Latino community.

[01:15:21] He wrote about East LA and local characters in this and hence the impact on Luis.

[01:15:26] So Baba Yaga.

[01:15:28] Anyway, so ghost quickly departs to retrieve the lab.

[01:15:31] Sonny and his men quickly depart as well, but their tires have been slashed.

[01:15:35] Birch realizes it's easier to steal the lab from the feds than from some boogeyman.

[01:15:41] So he calls up his mole agent Stoltz at the FBI and tells him the location of the lab, including Scott, Hank, Hope.

[01:15:50] Mole enters agent Wu's office to inform him of the lead of his lead to distract Wu who is enrolled on, which distracts Wu who is enrolled at online magic university, which is great.

[01:16:02] Inspired by Scott, he's learning magic tricks.

[01:16:04] So, um, and, uh, we will see, um, might see agent Wu in the future doing some magic.

[01:16:12] Yeah.

[01:16:14] So then we move over, uh, to Hank and Hope where they are in the lab and they fire up and open up the tunnel.

[01:16:23] They're hoping to get a message from Janet.

[01:16:27] Scott becomes connected to Janet and in what has to be some of, uh, some of his best acting, um, some of Paul Rudd's best acting in this whole movie.

[01:16:38] He is embodied basically, uh, it's the word I'm looking for, uh, inhabited, uh, on the tip of my tongue.

[01:16:50] Anyway, possessed.

[01:16:52] That's the word I was looking for.

[01:16:53] He is possessed by Janet essentially who directs Scott on how to fix the algorithm so that they can find her.

[01:17:00] Scott, as Janet, fiercely types into a laptop to stabilize the tunnel and tells Hank how to locate her.

[01:17:08] They share her emotional connections before she slash he, uh, tells them the exact coordinates, which are in the wasteland beyond the quantum void.

[01:17:19] She warm warns them that the mission is dangerous and that they only have two hours before the quantum realm, uh, probability fields shift again.

[01:17:28] And they won't be stable like this for another century.

[01:17:32] The scene, um, is one of, uh, Peyton Reed's favorites.

[01:17:37] Like how do we, like, how do we go about like talking about quantum entanglement without Hank going up to a chalkboard?

[01:17:45] You know what I mean?

[01:17:46] And so they came up with this idea, which is like, I don't know if you've ever seen the movie all of me, but, um, where Lily Tomlin inhabits Steve Martin's body.

[01:17:54] And this is, this is how they do it.

[01:17:57] Nice.

[01:17:57] Nice.

[01:17:58] Yeah.

[01:17:58] And the, the other cool thing here is in the lab, it's, it's very juxtaposed to like Iron Man, right?

[01:18:06] Iron Man, very sleek, very modern, very cool, you know, see-through screens and AR and VR and whatever.

[01:18:17] All the R's.

[01:18:19] Right.

[01:18:20] Whereas this is, you know, it's almost like pixie tubes and like guitar knobs, like you mentioned.

[01:18:28] And like these physical triangular mesh, like aluminum meshes that kind of spin around and, um, and it has the, the like readout.

[01:18:42] And so it's very much a juxtaposition.

[01:18:45] Like you were mentioning earlier where Iron Man is this industrialist.

[01:18:49] He has a little bit of a garage tinker, but you know, it's a billion dollar garage.

[01:18:54] So, you know, it's very modern, very special.

[01:18:57] Whereas Hank Pym is the garage tinker, right?

[01:19:00] He, he's taking what tech he has.

[01:19:03] He's doesn't have unlimited funds.

[01:19:06] It's, it's form or it's function over form rather than the other way around.

[01:19:10] Yeah.

[01:19:10] It's very pieced together.

[01:19:11] It's very, these scenes are very tactile as Reed describes it.

[01:19:14] And, um, I, yeah, you describe it as the technology perfectly.

[01:19:17] That's the, the major difference between the two.

[01:19:21] Um, so as they prepare to go into the quantum realm to find Janet, Luis calls Scott and tells them that they need to leave because both ghost and the FBI are on their way.

[01:19:32] Um, that's because Luis is under the control of the truth serum.

[01:19:38] And that's why he's talking all honesty.

[01:19:40] Like I hate the way that you load the dishwasher on top like an animal.

[01:19:47] So dumb.

[01:19:49] Scott tells hope, uh, and Hank that they need to leave because ghost and the FBI are on their way.

[01:19:56] Uh, shame on Scott for blabbing to Luis and terrible timing given that they only have two hours to find Janet.

[01:20:05] Scott borrows an Ant-Man suit so that he can quickly return home, uh, before he is caught by the feds for escaping his house arrest.

[01:20:14] We cut to Scott's house and we hear a loud banging on the door, but it's not the FBI yet.

[01:20:21] It's Cassie and Maggie, um, and Jim Paxson, AKA, uh, two of the most underutilized actors in this whole movie.

[01:20:33] Criminal.

[01:20:35] Uh, looking for Cassie soccer cleats.

[01:20:38] Cassie goes upstairs and she finds a giant ant in the bathtub replicating Scott's actions.

[01:20:44] And she just gets this big grin.

[01:20:46] She just knows what she knows.

[01:20:47] Well, she, yeah, she was on FaceTime.

[01:20:49] He's wearing like a Ant-Man suit and like, she knows what's up.

[01:20:53] Just then Agent Wu, uh, birches mole from the FBI and the rest of the FBI convene on Scott's place.

[01:21:00] And they want, uh, they want to check in on Scott whose ankle bracelet indicates he's in the upstairs bathroom.

[01:21:06] I love, I love the interaction between the two.

[01:21:10] Yeah.

[01:21:11] Agent Wu's like.

[01:21:12] He was, he was, she tried to put past her.

[01:21:15] It was like, but daddy's super sick.

[01:21:17] Like, and then he, he says he doesn't want to see anyone else get sick.

[01:21:23] Well, I'll take my chances, sweetie.

[01:21:25] He barfed like a lot.

[01:21:27] Young lady.

[01:21:28] I'm a federal agent.

[01:21:29] I've seen worse things than bought.

[01:21:31] Like a lot.

[01:21:32] A lot.

[01:21:35] You know, this movie, this movie coming out in 2021 or beyond, like basically after we all experienced lockdown, you talked earlier about how like the, the,

[01:21:46] the montage of what he does at home is very lockdown vibes.

[01:21:51] This entirely different connotation.

[01:21:54] Like I don't, he doesn't want anybody else to get sick.

[01:21:57] Like very different connotation.

[01:21:59] Now watching this here post 2020, my daddy doesn't believe in masks.

[01:22:04] He believes in individual freedom.

[01:22:06] My daddy's girlfriend doesn't believe in vaccines.

[01:22:09] Oh wait, that's too close.

[01:22:12] Anyway.

[01:22:14] Just then back to the cut scenes.

[01:22:16] Yeah.

[01:22:16] We're, we're at cut scenes.

[01:22:18] Uh, at Scott's house.

[01:22:19] Yeah.

[01:22:20] We talked about agent who going upstairs.

[01:22:23] She agent who gets upstairs.

[01:22:25] He actually finds Scott is there who is feigning sickness.

[01:22:29] He makes fake like retching sounds.

[01:22:33] Um, we cut back to the mirror woods.

[01:22:36] Hank says, I'll start the van.

[01:22:37] You get the lab.

[01:22:38] Hank shrinks down the lab.

[01:22:40] But then there are dozens of FBI agents with guns poised.

[01:22:45] Birch's mole agent arrives in a car to arrest them.

[01:22:50] Cut back to Scott's where an agent confirms to Wu that Scott's monitoring bracelet checks out.

[01:22:57] Another agent announces that, uh, Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne are in custody.

[01:23:04] Wu is super excited about this.

[01:23:07] He's like, yes.

[01:23:09] And then he, he realizes that, you know, he's standing in front of one of their friends.

[01:23:13] He goes, oh, sorry.

[01:23:15] I just, I needed a win.

[01:23:19] I would point out that the Muir woods, which is, uh, uh, like it's in Marin County and it's known for its like tall redwoods.

[01:23:26] The scene is actually Fayetteville, Georgia, but they digitally added in redwood trees, which I thought was kind of interesting.

[01:23:32] Oh, nice.

[01:23:33] Yeah.

[01:23:33] It makes it feel more like the Muir woods.

[01:23:36] Yeah.

[01:23:36] You would, if there weren't redwoods, you'd be like, this is clearly not it.

[01:23:39] But I studied each tree digitally.

[01:23:42] Yeah.

[01:23:43] Yeah.

[01:23:43] Figured out which one is which.

[01:23:44] Saw which one was real.

[01:23:45] Saw which ones were fake.

[01:23:47] Took me six hours.

[01:23:48] I think I'm blind in my left eye now.

[01:23:52] This is the dedication we bring.

[01:23:57] Uh, so, so we do cut back to the Muir woods.

[01:24:01] Agent Stultz, uh, AKA the mole, grabs the shrunken pimp, pimp lab, uh, from a van and puts it in the trunk of a car.

[01:24:12] When he is stopped by ghost who chest phases him and knocks him out.

[01:24:19] I guess.

[01:24:20] Like it was in Claire.

[01:24:22] Yeah.

[01:24:23] Yeah.

[01:24:23] Is she grabbing his heart?

[01:24:24] Like what's she doing here?

[01:24:26] I, I, I don't.

[01:24:27] Yeah.

[01:24:27] I don't know.

[01:24:28] It's not really explored in the movie.

[01:24:29] At one point in time, as you've said earlier, she puts her hand through Hank's neck.

[01:24:35] And I don't know if that's meant to like, um, to, uh, you know, if he phases, if she phases solid, then I would presume it would kill him.

[01:24:43] I don't know.

[01:24:44] It was just a clear.

[01:24:44] So, but we don't see him again in the movie.

[01:24:46] So maybe he's dead.

[01:24:50] So ghost, ghost who has now killed a man, uh, grabs the lab and runs off.

[01:24:58] Flashback to Scott's apartment.

[01:25:01] Cassie climbs the steps to the attic and we see an exchange between Scott and Cassie, which Peyton Reed describes as one of his favorite exchanges in the movie.

[01:25:10] I actually really like it too.

[01:25:11] Um, so Scott says, um, I do some dumb things and the, and the people I love the most, they pay the price.

[01:25:20] Mainly you.

[01:25:21] Cassie.

[01:25:23] Trying to help people isn't dumb.

[01:25:25] Scott.

[01:25:26] Well, I screwed up just about every time.

[01:25:31] So maybe you need to, maybe you need someone watching your back like a partner.

[01:25:37] Well, she's made it clear.

[01:25:39] That's the last thing she wants.

[01:25:41] Who?

[01:25:43] Hope.

[01:25:44] Oh, wait.

[01:25:45] Did you think me?

[01:25:48] You?

[01:25:50] Don't laugh.

[01:25:51] I'd be a great partner.

[01:25:53] Scott.

[01:25:54] Ah, peanut.

[01:25:56] Ah, you would be awesome.

[01:25:58] And if I let you, I'd be a terrible dad.

[01:26:01] This is a, this is a very sweet exchange and it does, it does give us some, uh, you know, maybe, maybe this will happen.

[01:26:09] And comic book fans know, uh, that, that Cassie does have, uh, a comic book counterpart, uh, who does get a suit, you know, and becomes part of the, actually the young Avengers in the comics as well.

[01:26:23] I do like when she reassures him that she can do anything because he's the world's greatest grandma.

[01:26:30] That's very funny.

[01:26:32] It's so good.

[01:26:34] Um, we then cut to Hope and Hank who are shackled in a jail cell.

[01:26:40] Hope breaks them out of their handcuffs, uh, with a hairpin.

[01:26:44] Classic move.

[01:26:45] Uh, they then assess their odds and are about to break out, uh, to attempt a messy escape where they shrink a wall that might be load bearing and collapse the whole thing.

[01:26:56] And then a bunch of ants show up, uh, and deliver a wasp suit for Hope and an FBI suit for, for Hank.

[01:27:05] Scott uses the trained ants to help Hope and Hank break out of FBI headquarters.

[01:27:12] So it's pretty cool.

[01:27:14] The one, one of the things we saw earlier in the movie, uh, Scott was complaining that the Ant-Man suit like didn't have wings and didn't have like stingers.

[01:27:23] And he was like, do you have the technology?

[01:27:25] He's like, Oh, you know, I had it.

[01:27:26] I just didn't put it in the suit.

[01:27:27] Um, so, but reminds you that like the Ant-Man suit can go giant or small and also allows them to control the ants.

[01:27:36] And so one of the things that Reed commented about here, commented on here was that Scott's command of the ants have been honed to such a degree that he can actually direct them without line of sight, which I thought was pretty interesting.

[01:27:48] And you see them on, you know, the ants on display in this movie as well.

[01:27:51] So Scott arrives in a van to pick up, uh, pick them up.

[01:27:55] And the ants guide the three of them, followed by a car of Birch's men, to the lab's location.

[01:28:03] Bill and Ava are inside the lab where they talk about the dangers of the extraction process.

[01:28:09] In the van outside the lab, uh, Hank decides that he will be the one to extract Janet.

[01:28:15] And just then Louise joins them as backup and says, what's up?

[01:28:22] So dumb.

[01:28:24] In the form of that beloved commercial.

[01:28:28] Uh, Budweiser looking at people.

[01:28:30] It was ginormously huge for a long time.

[01:28:35] So as Bill tries to fire up the quantum tunnel, um, a bunch of ants arrive and they gum up the works.

[01:28:41] They start unplugging stuff and whatnot.

[01:28:43] Ghost dons her headpiece to confront the foe.

[01:28:47] Hank uses the giant ants to engage Bill, which enables Hank to don his old suit so he can go into the quantum realm and find Janet.

[01:28:58] Hank promises Bill that he will help find a cure for Ava once Janet is found.

[01:29:03] The ants force Bill into a space while Hank hops into the quantum pod.

[01:29:11] Oh, I, um, Lawrence Fishburne here again, does a great job in this movie.

[01:29:18] But you, when you see him, like he's got this kind of look on his faces, you know, he's being surrounded by ants and he kind of like nervously looks and backs up.

[01:29:26] But, you know, there's nothing there.

[01:29:28] And so you can just imagine this like great actors like, okay, just pretend there's some large trap ants there and be scared.

[01:29:35] You're gonna get bitten.

[01:29:35] And I just, it cracks me up.

[01:29:37] Like the all, everybody has to do it in these movies.

[01:29:40] But that was very funny.

[01:29:41] At least Lawrence Fishburne has a little bit of experience like through the matrix and stuff that, that, you know, he's not, it's not like, uh, I don't know.

[01:29:52] Someone, I can't even think of an actor.

[01:29:55] Michael Douglas, who probably has no experience with like complete green screen scenes and that sort of stuff.

[01:30:02] Yeah, I think, yeah, you think of any of like the really, like really good actors, you're just like, wait, what's happened?

[01:30:10] Why am I wearing this outfit with balls in my head and body?

[01:30:14] What's going on here?

[01:30:15] What's, what's up with the green screens?

[01:30:17] Like, yeah.

[01:30:20] Um, Ant-Man is attacked and gets absolutely just worked by Ava.

[01:30:25] Uh, but he holds her off for long enough, uh, that Hank can fire off into the quantum realm.

[01:30:32] Just then the lab is shrunken again.

[01:30:35] Luis grabs it and Hope and Luis drive away in the van.

[01:30:39] Hope tells Scott, uh, to meet at the rendezvous point and all is good in the neighborhood.

[01:30:46] The, um, you know, I was thinking about the ghost character.

[01:30:49] So her, um, I mean, she has very much like in the scene, like a Terminator to like T-1000 quality.

[01:30:57] She like phases through the abandoned building after Scott who creates misdirection via his magic lessons, which is funny.

[01:31:04] But like, but think just pausing for a second.

[01:31:06] Like, what do you think of her powers?

[01:31:08] Like how powerful is she?

[01:31:10] She, the fact that she can kind of phase in and out, the fact that she can go invisible makes her pretty formidable.

[01:31:17] I feel like if she wasn't, if she couldn't, if she didn't glitch would like, where would she rank in terms of like Avengers?

[01:31:25] I mean, pretty, I mean, you couldn't effectively defeat her.

[01:31:29] Like, yeah.

[01:31:29] As far as like, uh, like a calm, like a combatant.

[01:31:36] Right.

[01:31:36] I'm, I'm not thinking about like, uh, you know, obviously not on the level of like a doctor strange or a Wanda who can control reality and can really.

[01:31:45] Yeah.

[01:31:46] Do that sort of stuff.

[01:31:48] Um, she's not going to like ghost is not going to be that effective against a huge army.

[01:31:54] Right.

[01:31:54] She's, she, she's going to be pretty limited in a, in a spot where she's outnumbered, um, by a large margin.

[01:32:05] Obviously, uh, she's, she's, she's still kind of limited in that way.

[01:32:09] She doesn't quite have like teleportation necessarily.

[01:32:12] Right.

[01:32:13] Um, but I think as a hand to hand combatant or as like an assassin, she's got to be like probably top two or three.

[01:32:21] Yeah.

[01:32:22] Uh, in the MCU.

[01:32:23] Yeah.

[01:32:23] She doesn't appear to have super strength.

[01:32:27] Um, but she's obviously a very skilled combatant.

[01:32:30] I think that she would be able to beat like a black widow.

[01:32:33] Right.

[01:32:33] Yeah.

[01:32:34] Um, anyway, she versus black widow would be.

[01:32:36] Yeah.

[01:32:37] Well, yeah, she, or yeah, I think, I think, yeah, on that scale where it's like the black widows of the world or like the Bucky's, like you say, doesn't have super strength, but, um, a lot of the same, you know, and we see vision use phasing to really good effect.

[01:32:55] Right.

[01:32:55] Obviously vision has more going on than just phasing.

[01:32:57] We see that, that he can use that, that, uh, invisibility and phasing really well.

[01:33:03] And it, I would say, right.

[01:33:05] And she would work Falcon cause everybody beats up Falcon.

[01:33:08] But anyway, let's keep going.

[01:33:10] Uh, so, um, we're all good.

[01:33:14] Everybody's getting away.

[01:33:15] We're going to, we're going to take care of it.

[01:33:17] We're just going to blow the lab back up.

[01:33:19] It's all good.

[01:33:21] Just kidding.

[01:33:22] Um, hope and Hank in the van run into sunny Birch's men in the deserted parking lot.

[01:33:31] Hope says change of plans and then reverses the van and speeds off.

[01:33:36] Cue up our, uh, obligatory San Francisco chase scene, because if we're in San Francisco, we gotta have a chase scene.

[01:33:44] Gotta have a chase scene.

[01:33:46] So just a couple of things.

[01:33:47] One, this parking lot is known as the Gulch in Atlanta.

[01:33:50] And so you see in other MCU movies.

[01:33:52] So for example, this is Lagos, the Lagos marketplace in civil war.

[01:33:57] Um, 75% of the various kind of chase scenes were shot in Atlanta.

[01:34:04] Obviously some of them, many of them are in San Francisco, but what they did is they would take, um, they know where to replicate San Francisco with for their shooting.

[01:34:14] They photographed plates and then comped them in using visual effects.

[01:34:17] But to your point about the car chase scene, if it's San Francisco, it's gonna have bullet like chase.

[01:34:24] Right.

[01:34:24] And except this one's got a lot more comedy.

[01:34:27] Have you, by the way, you've seen, have you seen bullets?

[01:34:29] Have you seen the car chase scene?

[01:34:30] Uh, I think I've seen the car chase scene.

[01:34:32] I don't think I've seen the whole movie.

[01:34:33] I, yeah, I dropped the car chase scene.

[01:34:35] I thought I dropped the YouTube in the, in the, in the notes, but it's, um, you know, I think it's like 1968 and you've got these heavy muscle cars that are like, that are not flying around the streets.

[01:34:49] And you're, I'm just white knuckling at the whole time.

[01:34:52] Cause you know, that like, you know, Steve McQueen's an idiot and he's doing his own, his own driving, but like, it's just, that's great to watch.

[01:34:59] You should, you should check it out.

[01:35:00] For sure.

[01:35:01] For sure.

[01:35:01] Yeah.

[01:35:01] Yeah.

[01:35:02] And you get, I mean, you get all the, the hallmarks of a, of a San Francisco chase scene in this,

[01:35:07] right?

[01:35:07] You get them jumping off hills.

[01:35:10] Um, Lombard street is used, of course.

[01:35:13] Uh, every, everything possible is used here.

[01:35:16] So, uh, the, just as they're about to be rammed by an SUV, um, hope shrinks the, the van down, causing the car to crash.

[01:35:27] Uh, they shrink under another SUV with a quote, filthy undercarriage, uh, bringing back, calling back a joke from earlier where they're talking about car wash protocol.

[01:35:37] Uh, they grow to normal size, launching the, the, the SUV in the air.

[01:35:43] Uh, hope drives towards Lombard street, like I said, and then shrinks down.

[01:35:49] So she's more nimble.

[01:35:50] The van can, can navigate Lombard street where the full size cars, they're moving at such a speed that they can't.

[01:35:56] Uh, so they, uh, they can't turn at the sharp, by the way, for those who don't know what Lombard street is, that's in San Francisco.

[01:36:05] The very famous, if you search San Francisco street, you'll probably find Lombard street.

[01:36:11] It's the big hairpin turns down the hill.

[01:36:17] Never heard of it before.

[01:36:19] No, it's called the, yeah, it's called the crooked street in the world.

[01:36:21] And they used, um, again, they use, uh, like plates to replicate it.

[01:36:25] And, um, yeah, it's a very, it's a fun, the fun little scene.

[01:36:29] Yeah.

[01:36:29] Uh, so we briefly check in with Hank in the quantum realm.

[01:36:34] His pod has lost connection with the outside world.

[01:36:37] Well, it's recalibrating.

[01:36:40] Uh, Hank takes a moment to admire the beauty and narrowly escapes being eaten by tardigrades after his signal is restored and he continues on.

[01:36:50] That, so this scene, and again, it was unclear to me, still a little bit unclear to me, like various stages of the quantum realm, but like this one, which is different than where he finds Janet.

[01:37:00] We'll see you later on.

[01:37:01] But like Reed talks about like photo realism is important in this movie and it's very tricky because in story wise, you're cutting back and forth to San Francisco, but this scene where he first arrives and he just like takes this moment to admire it.

[01:37:15] It's, and it's beautiful.

[01:37:17] Like I just want, I just want a whole movie of that.

[01:37:19] That's like, it looks awesome.

[01:37:21] Well, just wait a few movies.

[01:37:22] We'll get a whole movie in the quantum realm.

[01:37:24] What?

[01:37:26] No.

[01:37:27] I was kidding.

[01:37:28] I don't want a whole movie.

[01:37:29] Like, I mean, I'm in as old.

[01:37:30] I'm in like, you know, 20, 30 minutes.

[01:37:33] I don't want a whole movie.

[01:37:34] Anyway.

[01:37:37] Uh, so back in San Francisco, Scott appears in the van.

[01:37:42] Uh, Birch is running out of vans.

[01:37:44] So he sends his motorcycle crew after them because everything is just a vehicular.

[01:37:50] He's just got various cadres of vehicular groups.

[01:37:53] This is how, how pissed right now are like the Audi people like, man, we could have made motorcycles.

[01:37:59] We could have had vans.

[01:38:00] I'll be Audi.

[01:38:03] All right.

[01:38:05] Oh, poor Audi.

[01:38:06] Poor VW.

[01:38:07] Poor VW.

[01:38:09] Um, so hopes.

[01:38:12] Uh, so hope turns over the wheel to Scott and fire shrinking discs at their pursuers.

[01:38:18] One, one thing I have to pause here for a second here.

[01:38:21] This is one of, this is in my mind, the biggest missed opportunity.

[01:38:25] Cause, um, so she was driving the van.

[01:38:29] She's like, tells, you know, tells him to grab the wheel.

[01:38:32] I'm telling you right now, if you know, at that point in time, Peyton Reed was like, oh man, if we had named him, Hey, Seuss, she could have said, Hey, Seuss, take the wheel.

[01:38:39] Oh, I just wanted it to, I wanted it so badly.

[01:38:45] Anyway, sorry.

[01:38:47] Um, so, so one of her shots misses and she accidentally hits a car causing it to shrink and we get our Stanley cameo in probably in one of the more fun.

[01:38:59] So as his cameos go on, they get a little bit more self-referential.

[01:39:03] I think his last, his last three cameos.

[01:39:06] So this one, the, the captain Marvel one, and then the end game one are probably the most self-referential I would say.

[01:39:14] Um, but he goes, Stanley goes, the sixties were fun, but now I'm paying for it.

[01:39:20] Thinking he's having an acid flashback, uh, which.

[01:39:24] Yeah.

[01:39:25] Uh, Stan was publicly an opponent of, of recreational drugs and published anti-drug messages, but go read his comics and tell me the man was not using.

[01:39:36] I'm just, I just typed what I found.

[01:39:40] Like that's.

[01:39:41] Yeah.

[01:39:42] Um, the, the, the, this cameo was the, um, first scene shot for this movie and Peyton Reed likes to call it the quote, good luck charm for the film.

[01:39:53] And there's a, uh, deleted scene that has the montage of all the different lines with all the multiple takes that Stanley did.

[01:40:02] And it's, it's very funny.

[01:40:03] I will not, I will not do it justice, but like, go check it out.

[01:40:06] Like, you know, he, he, it's pretty funny.

[01:40:09] Yeah.

[01:40:09] I'll drop it in the show notes.

[01:40:11] So if people want to kind of see what the other alternate versions were, uh, you can check those out.

[01:40:16] So then ghost, uh, arrives and joins the chase on a stolen motorcycle.

[01:40:22] Hope tosses and then grows a hello kitty Pez dispenser, uh, which causes two men to get Pez.

[01:40:31] Uh, but ghost avoids it.

[01:40:36] Ghost catches up to the van, quickly phases into the van, kicks out.

[01:40:40] Hope, um, grabs the shrunken lab and then jumps onto a flatbed truck, throws out the driver, drives away.

[01:40:49] And Birch chases after ghost.

[01:40:51] Terrible idea.

[01:40:52] I don't know what Birch is thinking, dude.

[01:40:54] You're like, these are superheroes who can't handle this person.

[01:40:57] What are you going to do?

[01:40:58] Plot hole.

[01:40:58] We'll just leave that alone.

[01:40:59] We'll also leave the side, the fact that like all throughout the movie, when the lab gets stolen and retaken and stolen, retaken, no one's got the remote control except for, you know what I mean?

[01:41:06] Like, yeah.

[01:41:11] Um, well, Scott, uh, he, he crashes into the van, um, or he crashes the van, which, you know, to be fair, he hasn't driven for two years.

[01:41:20] So he's not going to be the top 1% of unpaid drivers.

[01:41:25] Um, I do, I will say this, the two things real quick.

[01:41:29] One is that, um, the, during the fight scenes, the actors try to do as much of the physical acting as possible.

[01:41:35] And eventually Lily talks about her stop fighting style, if you will.

[01:41:40] We're, we'll, we get to these scenes, especially with the car chase scenes.

[01:41:43] This movie required two editors, um, Craig Wood, who did Guardians of the Galaxy volume one and two and Dan Leventhal, who did the original Ant-Man.

[01:41:53] And they wanted to keep, you know, Peyton Reed says, you want to keep, keep the movie moving with a constant thing.

[01:41:59] So things were constantly in editorial and, you know, they're trying to make it fast paced, keep the audience off balance.

[01:42:05] And so I thought that was kind of impressive to think like when you think of how tight some of these scenes are, like how much editing it took.

[01:42:13] Yeah.

[01:42:14] Yeah.

[01:42:15] It's, it's crazy.

[01:42:17] Like it's so, it's so clean and so, so good.

[01:42:22] And, you know, credit to the, some of those folks behind the scenes who don't get enough credit for the MCU.

[01:42:28] If I'm being honest, like they, they really make this something special.

[01:42:32] And this is definitely one of those places where they did.

[01:42:35] You're talking mostly about the legal department that clears all the, gets all the rights, does all the contracts.

[01:42:41] I'm with you, my man.

[01:42:41] Yes.

[01:42:42] Yes.

[01:42:46] So, so Wasp and Ant-Man arrive at the flatbed truck where we get an amazing but chaotic fight scene between Ghost with her power set, Wasp and various sizes of Ant-Man in a malfunctioning suit.

[01:43:00] I like, I like him on the windshield when he turns on, she turns on the windshield wiper.

[01:43:05] He's just riding the wiper.

[01:43:08] Yeah.

[01:43:09] Uh, Sonny Birch shows up and somehow ends up with the lab and escapes.

[01:43:13] Wasp flies after Birch.

[01:43:15] Ghost is going to, uh, run, I guess.

[01:43:19] And Scott grows the size of giant man and basically just kneels on the flatbed and rides it like a scooter.

[01:43:27] Like when you have like a broken knee and you're riding around on those scooters.

[01:43:31] Yeah.

[01:43:31] That's what he's using this truck as.

[01:43:33] It's pretty, yeah, it's pretty funny.

[01:43:34] So they're all, yeah, they're all committing.

[01:43:35] But hey, we almost forgot that, um, Hank Pym's in this movie.

[01:43:39] So let's go check in on, let's go check in on where Michael Douglas is.

[01:43:44] So, um, Hank has entered the quantum void, which is net, which is how far Scott made it in the first movie.

[01:43:51] And this is where Hank is going to, which you would appreciate it, hit it with the nitrous in order to, in order to go further.

[01:43:58] So he breaks through the quantum membrane and lands in the quantum realm.

[01:44:04] And so when Hank started the clock at the pod was at 15.

[01:44:08] Now he has four minutes and 34 seconds to find Janet.

[01:44:14] And Peyton Reed talks about shooting the quantum realm was tricky because as we talked about with the quantum physicist earlier, it could be anything you want it to be.

[01:44:22] And it's infinite.

[01:44:23] And so how much of it to show.

[01:44:26] And so mostly wanted to focus on the wasteland where, where Janet would be.

[01:44:31] And we'll talk about the visual effects there.

[01:44:33] So cut back to San Francisco.

[01:44:36] Luis is in the van.

[01:44:37] He's found the remote, which shrinks and grows the lab.

[01:44:40] Hope tells him that he needs to get the remote to them quickly.

[01:44:43] They got to, they had to enlarge the lab so as to bring Hope and Janet back because the lab enlarged.

[01:44:50] We'll send the coordinates to bring the pod back.

[01:44:53] When Luis tells him that the van is busted, Scott tells Luis to use a car from the Hot Wheels rally case.

[01:44:58] He opens the case like a little kid and he says, I love you, Dr. Pym.

[01:45:05] This kind of cool moment.

[01:45:07] So at that precise moment, Birch arrives at the van in order to get the remote.

[01:45:15] And as they approach, the lab shrinks and one of the shrunken cars expands and appears in its place.

[01:45:22] And it is a 2004 Toyota Prius with, no, I'm kidding.

[01:45:26] It is the, you know, you know, Luis is going to grab just the loudest car.

[01:45:31] He grabs the Hyundai Veloster.

[01:45:32] It's like a Roadster with loud colors and flame decals.

[01:45:37] It is awesome.

[01:45:39] And so I, so I wanted a Roadster turbo for a very long time.

[01:45:44] It's an all wheel drive turbo car, which is kind of my, my shindig.

[01:45:50] It's, it's a four cylinder hatchback.

[01:45:52] That's, that's turbo.

[01:45:53] I wanted it so bad for a long time.

[01:45:57] Yeah.

[01:45:58] I don't know that I would have done purple with flames though.

[01:46:00] That that's a choice.

[01:46:01] Well, missed opportunity for you, my man.

[01:46:04] Birch and his men chase after Luis who shrinks his car.

[01:46:09] And we get this bullet like car chase he talked about before, including the car jump.

[01:46:13] I don't know why the car goes as fast, small, as large.

[01:46:19] But whatever, it's fine.

[01:46:20] Yeah.

[01:46:20] Relative velocity would be, you'd feel a lot faster in the small car.

[01:46:25] Well, yeah.

[01:46:26] I mean, we didn't really see like the, like the train and the, the little choo-choo train in the first movie, the little toy train.

[01:46:32] It like, seems like it's going fast, but it's really going slow, you know?

[01:46:35] Yeah.

[01:46:35] Like, anyway.

[01:46:37] So he, Luis escapes from one car, but is being chased by the rest.

[01:46:42] Wasp arrives and busts up one car.

[01:46:46] And it's this cool scene where she appears in the back seat and then shrinks down.

[01:46:50] And there's two people punch each other, shoot each other.

[01:46:51] Then she like flips around into the driver's side, breaks through the window, kicks someone through it.

[01:46:56] It was a really cool scene.

[01:46:59] Giant man arrives, like somebody pulls a gun on him.

[01:47:02] He just does a little blink with his finger and flicks the gun away and then just kicks Birch's SUV, which causes it to crash.

[01:47:11] But so Scott's chasing after Birch, but because the suit is glitchy, he can't shrink down.

[01:47:16] So Birch is able to escape on foot carrying the lab.

[01:47:21] Now, Birch turns the corner.

[01:47:22] He's at Fisherman's Wharf.

[01:47:24] Ant-Man goes a long way and arrives and he says, anyone seen a Southern gentleman carrying a building?

[01:47:29] Which I completely forgot that line, but it made me laugh out loud.

[01:47:33] So he looks to see that Birch has boarded a ferry and is heading to the San Francisco Bay.

[01:47:39] He questions how he had time to purchase a ticket.

[01:47:43] And which led me down on this long rabbit hole of which ferry, for folks who are curious at home,

[01:47:48] this is the Harbor Emperor, which is a ferry run by the Blue and Gold Fleet Ferry with service from Pier 41 to Sausalito.

[01:47:58] So not to be confused.

[01:47:59] This is the type of detail that we bring you.

[01:48:01] Not – dude, it was at least 20 minutes.

[01:48:05] So I was like, okay, where are the stops?

[01:48:07] Because he says – so anyway.

[01:48:13] So Ant-Man bangs on his chute to get a drink and finally has success.

[01:48:17] He calls on a flying ant for a ride, but he gets swallowed by a seagull.

[01:48:22] Calls another, another, then another.

[01:48:25] Same result, which is unlike the tragic loss of the ant in the first movie whose name escapes me now.

[01:48:33] Oh.

[01:48:34] Antony.

[01:48:34] Antony, yes.

[01:48:35] Antony.

[01:48:36] This one, whom he names Antonio Banderas, makes it to Scott.

[01:48:42] Timely reference, right?

[01:48:43] And successfully carries him to the ferry.

[01:48:46] No, wait on.

[01:48:47] Hold on that.

[01:48:48] He gets eaten by a bird as well.

[01:48:50] Murderers.

[01:48:51] So Scott falls in the water.

[01:48:53] You get this cool little –

[01:48:56] When he falls in the water.

[01:48:58] Little –

[01:48:59] There's a ton of – I understand at this point in time, there was a ton of work.

[01:49:05] You have to think about all the background CGI work that has to be done.

[01:49:09] My understanding, this was like a cloudy day, so they had to take out the clouds and stuff like that.

[01:49:12] Oh, gosh.

[01:49:13] All these visual effects stuff.

[01:49:14] It would be great to see original and then footage and then what it looks like at the end.

[01:49:18] Oh, yeah.

[01:49:19] He falls in the water.

[01:49:20] Where as the ferry makes its way out into the bay, Burge tells Usman to meet him back in three hours.

[01:49:25] This is what caused me to go on a ferry hunt because I was like, there's no three-hour ferry tour.

[01:49:35] What is he talking about?

[01:49:36] Why not just wait for him?

[01:49:38] But you don't know where he's going to be because this is supposed to go to a different city.

[01:49:41] Anyway, I will not bore people with it.

[01:49:45] So he's telling Usman to meet him back in three hours while the ferry tour guide points out that humpback whales dip into the SF Bay, which I also looked up and which is true.

[01:49:56] And that tour guide is played by Tim Heidecker, which is a fun little cameo.

[01:50:02] Tim Heidecker is hilarious.

[01:50:04] Tim and Eric, awesome show.

[01:50:05] Great job.

[01:50:06] Great stuff.

[01:50:09] It was one of those things where I totally forgot he was in it.

[01:50:12] But then when I was watching it, I was like, oh, that's that guy.

[01:50:16] It's a fun.

[01:50:17] There's a fun deleted scene where he's riffing and just all the different commentary as a tour guide.

[01:50:24] That would have been a very fun role to have.

[01:50:26] So he points out that one of, oh, there's a breach.

[01:50:30] You can see there's one that's swimming fast towards the boat.

[01:50:33] And then you realize it's not a whale.

[01:50:35] It's Giant Man.

[01:50:36] He grabs the lab from Birch, does this little blink, and makes his way back to the wharf.

[01:50:42] So this, by the way, the Giant Man chasing the boat was actually one of the very original storyboard ideas where he's like 85 feet tall.

[01:50:52] So back to the quantum realm.

[01:50:59] And visually, Reed describes his quantum realm as having a jittery quality.

[01:51:03] It's very shallow depth of field.

[01:51:05] It's grainy.

[01:51:06] He wanted to feel very tactile and real.

[01:51:09] He didn't want it to seem animated or cartoonish, if you will.

[01:51:13] And so time is running out.

[01:51:15] He makes it to the exact spot where he's supposed to be to meet Janet.

[01:51:18] And then he is losing his mind.

[01:51:21] And he hallucinates.

[01:51:22] And suddenly, he's back at his old house.

[01:51:24] And he's hearing his seven-year-old daughter, Hope.

[01:51:27] And then you see grown-up Hope there.

[01:51:29] And then you see Scott and Bill.

[01:51:32] And he's starting to phase.

[01:51:34] And that phasing effect, which we've seen Ava do, which we see Bill do, was a tough visual effect.

[01:51:42] Because Reed describes as wanting it to be photorealistic.

[01:51:47] And when they originally did it, it didn't want to look like Max Headroom.

[01:51:50] You know what I mean?

[01:51:51] Okay.

[01:51:51] Yeah, yeah.

[01:51:52] Before, he is visited by a hooded figure that's coming towards him.

[01:51:57] And as he is starting to break apart and he's losing that structural integrity, that hooded figure lays their hand on his face and summons him back.

[01:52:08] And it's Janet.

[01:52:09] And it's a cool scene.

[01:52:11] Because when you first watch it, is that ghost?

[01:52:15] Is that death?

[01:52:16] What is happening here?

[01:52:17] And so they have this tender reunion before they board the pod.

[01:52:24] Hank asks her about the energy from Janet's hands.

[01:52:27] And she explained that she's not the same as she was 30 years ago.

[01:52:31] And that she has had to adapt and evolve.

[01:52:34] And they're going to head back.

[01:52:36] They just need the lab coordinates in order to plot the path.

[01:52:38] I want to pause here for a second to catch a breath.

[01:52:41] But also talk about Michelle Pfeiffer, who was, as mentioned before, she was the very first choice.

[01:52:48] For Peyton Reed.

[01:52:49] But she hadn't done anything like this since Batman Returns, which was a minute.

[01:52:54] She was great in Batman Returns as Catwoman.

[01:52:56] She's awesome.

[01:52:57] Oh, yeah.

[01:52:58] Reed.

[01:52:59] So Reed talked about wanting to convince her, wanting to talk about who the Wasp was.

[01:53:04] Saying she was one of the original – she was in Avengers number one.

[01:53:06] She named the team.

[01:53:09] And, you know, so Pfeiffer's in.

[01:53:12] And she's consulting how she wants – you know, how she thinks his character looks.

[01:53:18] And so, like, bought in.

[01:53:19] And I thought she does a great job.

[01:53:23] The one – there's a question I have for you is the fact that she talks about this, you know, that she has evolved.

[01:53:32] Is she the first MCU mutant?

[01:53:34] I would say yes.

[01:53:37] That we've seen so far.

[01:53:39] And the reason why this is important is because at the timing of this filming – this was filmed August to November 2017.

[01:53:47] And that's the time when Disney was in talks to buy Fox, which has all the mutants.

[01:53:52] So some people think that this is like a sneaky way of foreshadowing the mutants and the X-Men.

[01:54:01] And I just thought it was just kind of interesting when she mentioned that.

[01:54:04] I personally – I mean, obviously the enhanced mutants like we see from the, you know, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

[01:54:14] But I just thought it was kind of interesting.

[01:54:16] Yeah, what's interesting there is like as far as like normally, I guess I would say, mutants are like born with their abilities, right?

[01:54:26] Or they're part of their genes that kind of come out.

[01:54:30] It's not necessarily like interradiation or something like that that gives them their abilities,

[01:54:39] which the enhanced were enhanced by the – which stone was it? Mind stone.

[01:54:48] And then obviously Janet here is saying she got her powers from being in the quantum realm.

[01:54:54] Right. I guess you're right.

[01:54:56] I guess the part about evolution, you're right.

[01:54:58] Yeah, from birth is usually what you think of the characters have been empowered as opposed to like evolving when they're, you know, older.

[01:55:09] I just thought it was kind of interesting to think about it that way.

[01:55:11] For sure.

[01:55:12] I'll also note real quick before we move on because I forgot to – I didn't put her – the Wasp is a major enough character that she deserves kind of a quick comic note.

[01:55:23] She was introduced Tales to Astonish number 44, March of 1963.

[01:55:29] Stanley, Ernest Hart, and Jack Kirby are credited with her creation.

[01:55:35] This is Janet Van Dyne Wasp, that is, obviously.

[01:55:38] We talked a little bit way back in our Ant-Man episode about the Hope Van Dyne character from the MC2 universe.

[01:55:49] But yeah, like you said, original OG Avenger.

[01:55:57] She did get stuck in the quantum realm for a while, or I guess the microverse as it was known in the comics.

[01:56:05] But yeah, she's a very, very key comic character.

[01:56:11] So she deserves a little bit of a shout out from the comic side of that.

[01:56:14] Yeah, she's one of the original four.

[01:56:18] Ant-Man, Wasp, Thor, Iron Man.

[01:56:22] Iron Man, and they're fighting Hulk.

[01:56:25] And they're fighting Hulk.

[01:56:26] Yep, yep.

[01:56:27] And she's on the cover and then Captain America.

[01:56:28] So she's there before Captain America.

[01:56:30] So good shout out there.

[01:56:32] Scott, okay, so we're back.

[01:56:34] In San Francisco, Scott returns to the wharf with the lab, which is caught on by the local news.

[01:56:41] So originally it was just people with their phones recording, but eventually the news showed up, which is seen by Agent Wu and the FBI.

[01:56:47] It's seen by Maggie, Paxton, and Cassie.

[01:56:49] It's seen by Kurt and Dave.

[01:56:50] So the FBI and the X-Con group rush to the scene.

[01:56:55] And so we see like a number of, again, quick cut scenes, a lot of editing going on.

[01:57:02] So Scott is getting weaker as he approaches the wharf.

[01:57:09] This is an homage to the comics where he can only stay giant for a period of time.

[01:57:14] He manages to roll the lab inward enough just to get it, just in case it gets expanded to normal size.

[01:57:22] So good thinking there.

[01:57:24] I just want a five-minute nap, he says.

[01:57:27] And then he falls backwards into the bay, which splashes the tourists.

[01:57:31] This scene, which Reed describes Scott as doing the nest tea plunge.

[01:57:34] If you ever were familiar with the commercial from, I think it was like the 80s, which is people would be drinking iced tea and just do like a backwards plunge into a pool.

[01:57:45] So Luis goes to retrieve the lab, but stopped by Ghost, who grabs the remote and enlarges the lab right there.

[01:57:51] It's not great, but at least the quantum pod has the coordinates it needs to return Hank and Janet.

[01:57:58] Hank goes to save Scott in this very cool underwater...

[01:58:02] Hope goes to save Scott.

[01:58:03] Sorry, yes. Hope goes to save Scott. Thank you.

[01:58:06] In this cool underwater digital shot, if you will, it's very cool.

[01:58:11] She manages to shrink him down to Ant-Man's eyes, pulls him ashore.

[01:58:15] And when he awakens, she's thrilled to have saved him and kisses him.

[01:58:20] Someone's going to get the beak wet.

[01:58:22] Bum, bum, bum.

[01:58:24] I need to put a bounce go-wow-wow.

[01:58:27] I can't work in Mjolnir, so I'll work in the beak wet joke.

[01:58:32] I could have done that for the seagulls too, maybe.

[01:58:35] Anyway, actual beak.

[01:58:38] Um, Birch confronts Luis and asks him for the remote when Luis tells him it's probably in the large lab.

[01:58:46] You know, it's like he realized, okay, I don't have any use for you.

[01:58:50] And so Usman and Anatoly offer poised to shoot Luis, but are stunned by Kurt and Dave, who happen to be right behind them with the little, like, stun guns, if you will.

[01:59:00] Um, Bill arrives and enters the lab and tries to stop Ava from starting the quantum extraction of Janet's energy, which may kill her, even though that was his plan earlier in the movie.

[01:59:11] He tells her that Janet is a brilliant scientist and may be able to help.

[01:59:15] Ava's like, oh, she's going to help.

[01:59:17] She's going to help me right now.

[01:59:18] And if she dies, she dies.

[01:59:19] She throws bills across the lab, enters the chamber, and starts the quantum, starts the extraction.

[01:59:26] So you see Janet in the pod and she can tell she's like, her energy is being leached from her in an effort to save Ava.

[01:59:38] The, um, Scott and Hope arrive at the lab, disable the machine.

[01:59:43] We see this kind of cool, kind of like precision tag team fighting with Ant-Man and the Wasp as a team versus him and Ghost, which gives Hank and Janet enough time to return from the quantum realm.

[01:59:57] And at that precise moment, it's this cool, I had to watch it a couple times to hear it describe it.

[02:00:03] At that precise moment, Scott grows up to Giant Man, which fractures time and slows everything down.

[02:00:09] And then we see all these beats that he then shrinks down and then grabs Hope, shrinks down to normal size, grabs Hope, dives right out of the way, just as the pod arrives.

[02:00:21] And they avoid getting hit and it smacks Ghost instead.

[02:00:28] Hope reunites with her mother at last and they share this emotional moment.

[02:00:32] And as Scott and Janet are reacquainting themselves, Ghost awakens.

[02:00:35] And Janet, like, rather than like attack or anything, she's very empathetic.

[02:00:40] You know, she just, I don't know, there was, her character evoked this kind of like, I don't know, this stature, if you will.

[02:00:49] And she is, like, it's hard to describe, but like she's, she's doesn't, it's not what you would think of like a normal human reaction, if you will.

[02:00:57] And then she puts her hands on Ava and she transfers quantum energy to Ava to stabilize her and to stop her from phasing.

[02:01:04] And so, you know, this is obviously a very emotional moment.

[02:01:09] The whole movie has been building towards it.

[02:01:13] It's just a great scene.

[02:01:15] Yeah.

[02:01:16] Yeah.

[02:01:17] It's definitely a great climax to the movie of just, we brought Janet back.

[02:01:22] We heal the, the villain, you know, we heal Ghost and.

[02:01:28] Happy ending.

[02:01:29] Right.

[02:01:30] Everyone's alive.

[02:01:31] But what, what about Ava?

[02:01:32] So outside the lab, the cops arrive, point guns at Kurt and Dave.

[02:01:35] They tell the Scott, they tell the cops that they've apprehended Sonny Uzman and Anatolyov.

[02:01:40] You know, like, you're welcome.

[02:01:41] We did your job for you.

[02:01:43] They've also given the truth serum and they admit to multiple crimes and restaurant health code violations, which is a funny scene.

[02:01:48] Like, uh, Goggins is, is, was just, he's pretty funny.

[02:01:52] Um, everyone, everyone leans to the lab.

[02:01:55] And if you see that, you know, we, on rewatch, we get this cool moment.

[02:02:00] It's this very cool Jack Kirby, like comic panel that you would see.

[02:02:05] And you see Ant-Man and Wasp in the foreground.

[02:02:08] And then from left to right, you have Ghost and Bill.

[02:02:11] You have Janet, Hank, and then Louise.

[02:02:14] It's very cool.

[02:02:15] Um, Janet says, we got to get out of here.

[02:02:18] To which Scott says, I got an idea.

[02:02:20] And so FBI arrives.

[02:02:23] The, and Wu is just like, ah, I'm going to, I'm going to get, I'm going to get the big one right now.

[02:02:28] And he thinks Scott is out on the streets as Ant-Man, but Scott uses magic and misdirection.

[02:02:32] He creates a giant Ant-Man illusion somehow.

[02:02:35] I don't know how I did it.

[02:02:36] Which, of course.

[02:02:37] It's just like a balloon, right?

[02:02:38] Kind of.

[02:02:39] Like, we don't know how I did it because it's all an illusion.

[02:02:42] It's magic.

[02:02:43] You don't tell the secret.

[02:02:44] So, which distracts Wu.

[02:02:46] Wu turns around and you can see in the, in the background, the lab shrinking down.

[02:02:50] And he's like, okay.

[02:02:53] Races to, to Scott's home.

[02:02:56] Um, before that, though, we see, um, Ava.

[02:03:00] They're in an alleyway in actually in Chinatown.

[02:03:03] And, and Ava begs Bill to leave her behind, you know, traumatized by what she's done as ghost.

[02:03:09] But he refused to abandon her, which is, again, this nice emotional bond between the two.

[02:03:15] Um, we don't know.

[02:03:17] So, and this is the last we see of her.

[02:03:19] We don't know if she lapses, if she becomes her heroic self.

[02:03:24] Um, you know, they just kind of, you know, read like the idea that they would, they would slip away and the bill would stand by her and felt like we would see her again.

[02:03:32] And we obviously will in a future film.

[02:03:34] So, Agent Wu arrives at Scott's house and hopes to catch him in violation of his parole.

[02:03:39] But Scott is engaging in one of his and Peyton Reed's favorite pastimes, the electronic drum set.

[02:03:45] And, um, you know, Scott's sentence is finally over and he's a free man.

[02:03:50] And he's like, what's it like out there?

[02:03:53] Huh?

[02:03:53] Do people still dance?

[02:03:55] Are food trucks still a thing?

[02:03:57] Which is so funny.

[02:03:59] Um, the, there is a, a long, very humorous interaction between Agent Wu and Scott.

[02:04:06] Um, I wasn't quite sure if Agent Wu was like, he's obviously, he has this weird, like, um, uh, enamorment with him.

[02:04:16] And so, you know, Agent Wu releases Scott, um, Wu is kind of disappointed, but oddly proud and wants to be friends.

[02:04:23] He's like, you know, you know, were you planning something?

[02:04:26] You know, like just this very funny.

[02:04:28] I'll see you again.

[02:04:29] Yeah.

[02:04:29] Let's see again.

[02:04:30] Like, what?

[02:04:32] Well, if you do bad, if you were, I'll arrest you.

[02:04:35] Well, you know, I thought you were inviting this guy.

[02:04:37] It's like, I thought you were inviting me to something.

[02:04:39] He's like, wow, why would I do that?

[02:04:40] I was like, I don't know.

[02:04:41] I thought you were planning the evening.

[02:04:42] Like, it's just this very funny, like exchange.

[02:04:44] Um, uh, we, um, and then we get what Reed describes as the quote, too neat resolution and with too pretty of a bow on the end of the story.

[02:04:57] But it's like this, the scene they conclude as the Partridge family theme song.

[02:05:02] Come on, get happy plays.

[02:05:03] Scott's off house arrest.

[02:05:04] He could pick up house.

[02:05:06] He, and he gets to go to Cassie's house to pick her up for the first time in years.

[02:05:10] The ex-cons win the Carapetian account because they were seen on TV capturing Sunny Birch.

[02:05:19] Janet and Hank go on vacation on a remote island in Hawaii, and he presents her with the shrunken version of the house from the first movie.

[02:05:25] And then Scott and Hope and Cassie are watching them, um, which is, uh, a, a classic film with giant ants from the 1950s at a drive-in theater, which just turns out to be a bunch of shrunken cars from the rally case in front of a laptop.

[02:05:43] And, um, you just, the, um, and it leads to the credits.

[02:05:48] They have this really kind of cool, colorful, fun, um, you know, title sequence.

[02:05:54] Peyton Reed used to make super eight movies as a kid, and he used like tabletop dioramas and miniature train models and miniature figures and stuff like that.

[02:06:02] And so this is considered to be like the core spirit of his filmmaking.

[02:06:06] And this scene is kind of like an homage to that.

[02:06:08] It's, I thought it was very cool that, yeah, they have like little scenes from the movie with little dioramas.

[02:06:12] So yeah.

[02:06:13] Yeah.

[02:06:13] And if it's, if it's obviously the movie, right, it's miniature version of everything.

[02:06:17] Totally.

[02:06:18] But yeah, um, a, a classic MCU, I would say it's probably, probably top five MCU closing credit scenes or closing like credit backgrounds, I should say.

[02:06:31] Yeah, it's good.

[02:06:32] It's good.

[02:06:33] I like, I, um, often I'll be, I will admit to your point about not, um, for people not knowing who the editors are, the people behind the scenes.

[02:06:42] I watched the credit scenes all the way throughout this time.

[02:06:44] Um, I sometimes skip them.

[02:06:45] Sorry folks, but, uh, it's good for sure.

[02:06:49] Yeah.

[02:06:49] So that's our movie.

[02:06:51] Um, this one's kind of interesting cause we're coming off of like a series of, I think three, four, maybe that we're like this.

[02:07:01] Next question was obvious, right?

[02:07:03] What, what was, what was the takeaway?

[02:07:05] What was significant?

[02:07:07] Um, I kind of think this one breaks that trend a little bit, which is okay.

[02:07:12] Um, I think for me, the, so, so the question is, you know, what was our main takeaway?

[02:07:17] Why was this movie significant to the grander MCU?

[02:07:21] Why was it significant to maybe filmmaking as a whole?

[02:07:24] In some cases, I don't think this one had a whole lot of effect on filmmaking as a whole.

[02:07:29] Um, it's, it's not, you know, it's, it's not an, uh, infinity war or Avengers or Iron

[02:07:38] Man where they're setting the stage for like the next 20 years of filmmaking or anything

[02:07:43] like that.

[02:07:44] Um, it's not all that impactful to the MCU at large.

[02:07:49] It does give us a little bit closer introduction into quantum things, you know, just throw quantum

[02:07:56] at the beginning of something.

[02:07:57] And it's a thing, um, which is going to become very important as we go into the multiverse

[02:08:04] saga where quantum is, where it was going to be a pretty big deal.

[02:08:09] Um, not to get too spoilery, but, uh, you know, real world effects have some effect there.

[02:08:17] Um, so I, I think, you know, introducing the concept or not introducing, but solidifying

[02:08:24] the concept of like the quantum realm and quantum things, um, giving the wasp a proper introduction

[02:08:32] as well.

[02:08:33] Yeah.

[02:08:33] Those, I was going to say, those are the two things it's the quantum realm and it's

[02:08:36] the introduction of new character.

[02:08:37] We've seen them introduce new characters by dropping them into other movies.

[02:08:43] So we saw that with black Panther.

[02:08:46] So that was Spider-Man, right?

[02:08:48] Uh, here she has a, you know, a proper superhero.

[02:08:54] We see her proper superhero character that doesn't require any background.

[02:08:58] And so she can kind of hit the ground running.

[02:09:01] Um, and yeah, but then, and, and, and a, and a, and a, yeah, and a, a strong, and

[02:09:07] any movie, which I feel is not just like Ant-Man comma.

[02:09:11] Oh, and the wasp shows up.

[02:09:13] Yeah.

[02:09:14] It's, it's really Ant-Man, the wasp.

[02:09:16] Yeah.

[02:09:17] Yeah.

[02:09:17] It, you know, it's, it is not the first Marvel solo female.

[02:09:23] We'll, we'll see that actually in the next movie.

[02:09:27] Um, it's definitely an and, but it's an equal and.

[02:09:30] Yeah.

[02:09:31] I think so.

[02:09:32] Um, who is, let me ask you this.

[02:09:35] So with that as a take, who's your MVP, you said who it's not going to be.

[02:09:39] Yeah.

[02:09:40] Uh, as much as I love that they introduced the wasp and like, as important as that character

[02:09:46] is, unfortunately, I think Evangeline Lilly's acting, um, kind of took, took her out of the

[02:09:53] running for me.

[02:09:54] So hold on a second.

[02:09:56] So you chose Harley Keener as your MVP and it's not like that kid was a master thespian.

[02:10:02] Let me, let's, let's be honest.

[02:10:03] No, but there was like, so where it struck me truthfully, where it struck me is it's, um, I think

[02:10:10] it was during the restaurant fight.

[02:10:15] I want to say, um, and, um, there's a scene where the wasp like slides under something and

[02:10:25] they cut to like an overhead shot of the wasp sliding.

[02:10:30] Okay.

[02:10:32] And Evangeline Lilly looks literally like she has no idea what she's doing.

[02:10:36] Okay.

[02:10:37] Like her facial expression is just like, Oh, but it's, it's, and, and also her costuming

[02:10:45] at the beginning, like that open trench coat with the, like the, the belt hanging down at

[02:10:51] the side.

[02:10:51] I know this is nitpicky and I, and I know these are the stupidest things to really get

[02:10:55] bothered about, but it just like took me out for a second.

[02:11:01] Um, not saying this is a bad movie.

[02:11:04] Don't get me wrong, but that, that just, that's just like, come on, come on.

[02:11:09] So who's your MVP?

[02:11:11] Um, we can't pick Paul Rudd cause we've already picked him.

[02:11:13] Okay.

[02:11:14] I'm going to go.

[02:11:15] We both have picked him extra.

[02:11:16] I should say.

[02:11:17] I'm going to go with, for this one, I'm going to go with Hank Pym.

[02:11:26] Um, I think he was really, really good in this movie.

[02:11:30] Um, obviously we can't pick like, like I can't pick Scott Lang cause I've already picked him.

[02:11:35] Um, so I, I think in the absence of that, uh, I would say this was kind of Hank Pym's shining moment.

[02:11:45] I would say as far as MCU, I don't.

[02:11:49] Yeah.

[02:11:50] This is it.

[02:11:51] Not to spoil things for future movies, but yeah, this is, this is it.

[02:11:55] Yeah.

[02:11:56] Um, yeah, the, um, Peyton Reed, I know I keep going back to, but he talked about how in this movie he wanted Michael Douglas.

[02:12:05] I mean, reassured him like, Hey, you're not just going to be walking exposition.

[02:12:09] Like you will do other things.

[02:12:11] He suits up.

[02:12:12] He is comedic in the movie.

[02:12:14] Right.

[02:12:15] Yeah.

[02:12:16] Want to juice box and some cheese.

[02:12:18] Hey there champ.

[02:12:19] Right.

[02:12:19] So his character I think is much more, um, he has more to do.

[02:12:25] He has more to play with.

[02:12:26] And, uh, I think to your earlier point, you get to see his kind of grumpy side.

[02:12:31] He, you know, you, you can tell he was probably, um, you know, a jerk to work with for sure.

[02:12:38] Um, egomaniac.

[02:12:40] And so you got to see a little more and more of that.

[02:12:41] Um, but you all see like his tender side when he sees his wife for the first time in 30 years.

[02:12:45] Like he's very emotional.

[02:12:46] So it's good.

[02:12:48] It is a good call.

[02:12:50] So who are you picking?

[02:12:53] Gorn Kostic as Anna Toloff.

[02:12:55] No, I'm kidding.

[02:12:56] Um, just kidding.

[02:12:58] Like let me get the person who's on the screen for like a minute and a half.

[02:13:01] Um, I am going to go, I'm choosing a character.

[02:13:06] I am not choosing the actor and I will choose Hope Van Dyne.

[02:13:11] Um, I think, you know, as far as the costuming goes, that's not her fault.

[02:13:17] Um, as far as the physical acting, I give her points for actually doing her physical acting.

[02:13:25] Yeah.

[02:13:26] And, you know, no, I can't say that, that her, you know, she's like, you know, the greatest thespian in the world.

[02:13:34] But I felt like, you know, you, you see the dynamic between her and Scott could be a little better.

[02:13:41] I think, you know, it's hard with Paul Rudd on the screen.

[02:13:44] Like he's very, you know, funny and energetic and like charismatic and almost in scenes can distract because you're just, you're so.

[02:13:52] He kind of eats the, owns it.

[02:13:54] Yeah.

[02:13:54] But I felt like she kind of was still able to kind of hold, stand up to it, if you will.

[02:13:59] You know, she's a, you know, a badass scientist and she's a superhero.

[02:14:05] And, um, I think that you just, I, I had a greater appreciation for her in the film.

[02:14:13] I think she kind of holds her own.

[02:14:14] It's not like it's, you know, she's a sidekick.

[02:14:20] Um, and I thought that like, you know, some of the scenes, like her fight scenes were pretty cool when she's running along the knife.

[02:14:27] Like I realized that's more of a nod to the special effects group, but, um, I thought she was good.

[02:14:32] So, yeah.

[02:14:33] And I, and I think, you know, we long time listeners of the show or somebody who might go back and listen, you'll notice, you know, sometimes we do pick actors.

[02:14:42] Sometimes we pick against a character because of an actor.

[02:14:45] Sometimes we pick the character for the character's sake.

[02:14:48] And, and much like when you, when we talk about a comic introduction, we talk about, uh, the writer as well as the artist.

[02:14:58] I think that when you pick a character for MVP, um, it's totally legit, right?

[02:15:03] You're picking the actor, you're picking the special effects folks who animate their, their, their, their fight moves.

[02:15:11] Um, you are a screenwriter who gives them their lines, right?

[02:15:14] Gives them their line, right?

[02:15:15] You're, you're picking all those behind the scenes.

[02:15:17] All those go into making a really great character.

[02:15:20] And so super legit.

[02:15:21] Like I say, I, I, you know, absolutely wasp wasps introduction is great.

[02:15:27] And I think picking the character of wasp is totally legitimate too.

[02:15:31] Yeah.

[02:15:32] The only other ones that, I mean, I think Hank Pym is a good choice.

[02:15:35] And if not for him, the other ones I thought of Michelle Pfeiffer as Janet Van Dyne and Lawrence Fishburne is Dr. Bill Foster.

[02:15:41] I would have loved to have had more of them.

[02:15:43] Oh yeah.

[02:15:44] We get them for like nine minutes.

[02:15:46] Um, but they're both great.

[02:15:48] Could you imagine a throwback?

[02:15:49] Like Edgar Wright's sixties Ant-Man.

[02:15:54] It'd be great.

[02:15:55] Ant-Man, the Wasp and Goliath.

[02:15:58] Mm-hmm.

[02:15:59] It'd be so good.

[02:16:00] Or sixties Avengers, right?

[02:16:02] Yeah.

[02:16:03] That'd be great.

[02:16:03] Yeah.

[02:16:04] Why are we messing around with this quantum mania crap?

[02:16:07] Anyway.

[02:16:08] Um, so we were actually talking pre, pre recording a little bit.

[02:16:14] We are now up to 34 movies in the MCU plus some TV shows.

[02:16:20] Um, so that divides out for our thirds, right?

[02:16:23] We're talking about thirds.

[02:16:24] We are now officially in a space where we are talking about 11, right?

[02:16:28] So top 11, middle 11, bottom 11, give or take.

[02:16:31] Um, so David, where does this one rank for you?

[02:16:41] I think this, I think this is in my middle third, kind of lower middle third, but I, I,

[02:16:48] I see it as distinctly middle third.

[02:16:50] How about you?

[02:16:52] I agree.

[02:16:53] I agree.

[02:16:53] And I was thinking the same thing.

[02:16:54] I think it's in that probably like 15 through, uh, later that like, I would say like nine

[02:17:09] through 15 slots somewhere in there where like right now it's in the middle third, few more

[02:17:15] movies come out.

[02:17:16] Am I pushing to the bottom third, but it's not for lack of being a good movie.

[02:17:21] I, I do want to go back to what I said, right?

[02:17:23] It is.

[02:17:23] I think this is an underappreciated movie.

[02:17:26] The, the, um, Rotten Tomatoes audience scores have kind of caught up with it.

[02:17:31] I remember early on people kind of talked about this movie in with like Iron Man two or Thor

[02:17:40] dark world where it's really not that good of a movie.

[02:17:44] But I, I do think that, that this movie was really good.

[02:17:49] I think it was really fun.

[02:17:50] And it definitely, I think suffered from proximity a little bit where it, it, we're coming off

[02:17:58] of the high of a really great stretch of movies.

[02:18:01] Right.

[02:18:02] Um, you know, you go civil war, uh, what, what was it?

[02:18:09] Civil war, black Panther.

[02:18:13] Um, what else was in there?

[02:18:15] Are you talking about what was in phase three?

[02:18:17] Yeah.

[02:18:18] Oh, so you, oh, okay.

[02:18:20] Yes.

[02:18:21] Civil war, silver war, Dr.

[02:18:23] Strange guardians to homecoming Ragnarok, black Panther, infinity war.

[02:18:28] Like, like you've got a string of bangers and then you come to Ant-Man and the wasp, which

[02:18:34] is good, but it's just not those.

[02:18:37] Yeah.

[02:18:38] No, it's yeah.

[02:18:38] It suffers from being in a, the, the neighborhood.

[02:18:41] And again, and it's, it's no side to the movie.

[02:18:44] It's just like, no one wanted this to be the next movie.

[02:18:46] Everyone wanted, um, end game for sure.

[02:18:49] Yeah.

[02:18:50] A quick question.

[02:18:51] Would you, what, where would you rank this in terms of Ant-Man one versus this one?

[02:18:55] Which one would you say is higher?

[02:18:57] Ooh, that's a tough question.

[02:18:59] I know.

[02:19:00] Right.

[02:19:00] Um, that's really, really challenging.

[02:19:05] Cause, cause I, I think they're both really good.

[02:19:07] I, I, I, I am.

[02:19:10] That's one of the things I enjoy about this project of this podcast is like, I get to revisit

[02:19:15] some movies that maybe I haven't visited in a while.

[02:19:17] And, and this is definitely one of those.

[02:19:19] And it was better than I remember it.

[02:19:22] Um, I would probably say I like this one a little better than the first one, but, but

[02:19:31] they're, they're both very, very good.

[02:19:32] It's a very close race.

[02:19:33] Yeah.

[02:19:33] I think I liked the first one more.

[02:19:35] I, the thing we didn't really talk about too much in this film is like, it didn't really

[02:19:40] have a villain, like, like a proper villain ghost was just more of an antagonist.

[02:19:47] Cause you know, they just wanted to be healed.

[02:19:49] They were not trying to fight Ant-Man.

[02:19:51] Yeah.

[02:19:52] And this is about your, yeah.

[02:19:54] Sunny Birch.

[02:19:55] Like, eh, I mean, I, I, I, I love Walton Goggins.

[02:20:00] I actually found him almost a little too cartoonish in this movie.

[02:20:07] Um, I still love him.

[02:20:08] Don't get me wrong.

[02:20:08] But, um, that's the only thing that was kind of lacking.

[02:20:12] But I also appreciate the fact that like, it was not just a one person show in the movie,

[02:20:17] in the first movie.

[02:20:18] So, yeah.

[02:20:19] And we got more in this, we get more Dave, you get more Luis, right?

[02:20:24] So.

[02:20:25] Always take more Luis.

[02:20:27] Um, so yeah, uh, that does it for our review.

[02:20:34] If anybody's like, you guys are missing some really important scenes.

[02:20:37] We do the credit scenes after our closing music.

[02:20:41] You know, it's the end credit scene.

[02:20:42] So we like to do it after the credits.

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[02:21:10] Um, and then check out the other shows on our network.

[02:21:14] Uh, you have, uh, Ears Up, which is the name for the network.

[02:21:18] They're doing some really fun stuff.

[02:21:20] It's, it's a general Disneyland show.

[02:21:22] Um, they had a really great, uh, episode recently where, uh, Eric talked about Carthay

[02:21:28] and they talked about some, some Disney news and kind of their old school style of show,

[02:21:33] which was really fun.

[02:21:34] Uh, you have Scraping the Vault, which is, uh, about to get into the Tinkerverse.

[02:21:43] So they kind of do what we do with these breakdown movies.

[02:21:45] Actually don't tell them, but they inspired us.

[02:21:49] Um, they, they do it though with, uh, the straight to video Disney sequels.

[02:21:57] You also have, uh, the Supreme Resort where they compare land versus land, uh,

[02:22:04] in Disneyland and Disney world.

[02:22:07] Uh, they just did a pretty fun episode on the, um, oh my gosh, I just lost it.

[02:22:17] They, they did Hollywood land.

[02:22:21] Uh, they did animation courtyard.

[02:22:23] I think recently junior dance party, junior dance party.

[02:22:27] That's right.

[02:22:27] The junior dance party episode.

[02:22:29] Very, very good.

[02:22:30] I, I just didn't remember the subject because the subject kind of took a backseat in that

[02:22:34] one, but it was a very fun episode.

[02:22:36] Also happy birthday, Jimmy.

[02:22:38] Hey, happy birthday, Jimmy.

[02:22:40] Um, and happy birthday, Brian, who I don't think listens, but I know his wife does.

[02:22:44] Oh, happy birthday, Brian.

[02:22:46] Um, and then, uh, the last show on the network that I, or two more shows.

[02:22:52] I forgot we have a new show on the network.

[02:22:53] Uh, so there is also, um, Bantha Milk.

[02:22:58] They do, uh, Bantha Milk podcast.

[02:23:01] They do Star Wars stuff.

[02:23:03] They watch the current content.

[02:23:05] They do news.

[02:23:06] And then new show on the network, uh, is called Buena Vista Boys.

[02:23:10] If you like what we do or what Scraping the Vault does, but you want it done with the old

[02:23:16] school live action, like computer war tennis shoes and, uh, lawnmower man and those sort

[02:23:23] of movies that, that Disney and Buena Vista put out, uh, Buena Vista Boys.

[02:23:28] Uh, so that is Jason from the flagship show and Matt, uh, who does other podcasts and also

[02:23:36] has done some design work for the network.

[02:23:37] They do again, sort of similar to what we all do, what they do a rewatch, uh, style podcast

[02:23:45] with, um, those old school Disney Buena Vista live action.

[02:23:50] I thought you were saying the boys and boys and I got really excited.

[02:23:54] I was like, oh man, download that baby.

[02:23:57] Yeah.

[02:23:58] That's a Barry Farm theme podcast.

[02:24:02] Uh, listen to, also listen to Bowie's explaining and scraping the vault or not scraping the vault,

[02:24:07] uh, the hub crawl vibes.

[02:24:11] That's a lot of plugs.

[02:24:12] I think I spent more time on the vaults than we did on the whole breakdown.

[02:24:16] Uh, but with that, thank you all for listening.

[02:24:21] Remember, can you pod rules?

[02:24:29] All right, David, let's talk about these post-credit and mid-credit scenes.

[02:24:33] So, mid-credit scene.

[02:24:35] This is what, what sets our timeline, right?

[02:24:37] So, first we see that Team Ant-Man has gathered to explore the quantum realm.

[02:24:44] Um, they want to get back in there.

[02:24:46] Hank and Janet designed a smaller version of the quantum tunnel that can fit in the back

[02:24:51] of the, uh, the X-Con truck.

[02:24:54] Uh, they're sitting on, like, the top, top, uh, story of a, of a parking garage.

[02:25:03] We hear, as Scott's, like, in the, the front seat, I'm assuming, putting the suit on, we hear

[02:25:11] La Cucaracha play when he hits the horn.

[02:25:14] Uh, never gets old.

[02:25:15] It's so good.

[02:25:17] It's so good.

[02:25:18] So, Scott gets out, um, he's, he's gonna gather some of the quantum healing particles

[02:25:24] in this canister he's got.

[02:25:26] Should be a quick, quick in-and-out trip.

[02:25:29] Um, so he heads into the quantum realm, and he collects the, the, like, quantum healing

[02:25:38] golden particles.

[02:25:40] He's storing it in a piece of tech, and then he radios back out.

[02:25:45] Um, to get, to get brought back to the, to the regular world.

[02:25:50] And we hear a countdown.

[02:25:53] Five, four, three, two.

[02:26:00] Radio silence.

[02:26:02] Scott calls back, ha ha, very funny.

[02:26:05] And then he starts to panic.

[02:26:07] Still no response.

[02:26:09] We go back to the rooftop, and we see that, uh, Hank, Hope, and Janet were, uh, part of

[02:26:17] the half of, just conveniently, all three of them were part of the half of humanity that

[02:26:22] was snapped away when Thanos snapped his fingers.

[02:26:29] Um, they are gone.

[02:26:31] So, and Scott, being unable to be pulled back from the quantum realm, is trapped in the

[02:26:38] quantum realm.

[02:26:41] So, when you said earlier, like, the significance of the movie, obviously, how it ties to, I

[02:26:48] mean, has a huge impact in the next Avengers Endgame movie.

[02:26:51] But this is, this was the tricky part.

[02:26:54] This is being filmed around the same time.

[02:26:56] And so, Infinity War Endgame are being filmed at the time that, that they're preparing to

[02:27:04] film this movie.

[02:27:05] And so, they're in constant discussions with Peyton Reed to make sure that story, the story

[02:27:10] elements would line up.

[02:27:11] Because you can't, right?

[02:27:13] Like, you, you couldn't have this movie without Infinity War, but just without it referenced

[02:27:18] in some way, shape, or form.

[02:27:19] Yeah, yeah.

[02:27:20] You had to do something.

[02:27:20] Yeah, so, um, and it would be, you know, Reed knows that this is going to be a standalone

[02:27:27] film, but it is still part of the larger, you know, um, MCU.

[02:27:32] So, he can't ignore it.

[02:27:33] And so, how, so they talked about different ways to do it.

[02:27:36] You know, they didn't want to do some sort of like, you know, TV monitors playing in

[02:27:40] the background kind of thing, which Reed thought would be kind of lazy and was seen before.

[02:27:44] And so, the, um, the movie occurs over like a, over a fairly short period of time.

[02:27:55] And so, you know, what they did is they said, okay, we're going to set up this, everything's

[02:28:00] happy to this.

[02:28:02] I mentioned before this neat and tidy bow on everything.

[02:28:05] It's a beautiful, happy ending.

[02:28:07] And then this, what they refer to it as the gut punch with these credits, with this sequence,

[02:28:13] which shows them disintegrating due to the blip.

[02:28:16] And it was just this, um, just this very kind of like, oh yeah, here's where we are.

[02:28:23] And you're just reminded, like you're just brought back.

[02:28:28] I don't want to say seamlessly, but where, where we, where we felt ourselves and left at

[02:28:32] the end of the last movie.

[02:28:34] Like, oh man.

[02:28:35] Yeah.

[02:28:37] Yeah.

[02:28:38] It's, it's definitely one of those like, oh yeah, this was really fun, but we're in

[02:28:44] a sad place in the MCU right now.

[02:28:48] Um, so then we move over into the end credit, the end end credit scene, which is again, it

[02:28:58] melds that very funny with the very sad, uh, pretty well.

[02:29:02] Mm-hmm.

[02:29:03] But, um, most of San Francisco seems to have felt the effects of the gauntlet.

[02:29:08] It's very empty.

[02:29:09] We kind of see some scenes and then we hear, we hear the, the like droning of like the, the

[02:29:16] emergency.

[02:29:17] Yeah.

[02:29:18] Broadcast system, right?

[02:29:19] We hear, um, we see the TV says that San Francisco's in a state of emergency, presumably because,

[02:29:29] you know, half of the world is gone.

[02:29:33] Um, and then we see that.

[02:29:35] I thought you were going to say because they were out of avocado toast.

[02:29:37] I mean, you said it as the Bay area.

[02:29:41] I, I, I, I, yeah.

[02:29:44] Point fingers myself.

[02:29:46] Uh, then we see that oversized ant, which had served as Scott's body double throughout

[02:29:51] the film, playing the drums, um, totally oblivious to what's going on.

[02:29:56] He made it through.

[02:29:57] Um, but, uh, you know, we, he's, he's just recreating Scott's life still.

[02:30:07] Um, then we cut to the final title screen, which we referenced in our closing and no, I

[02:30:14] didn't just run Burgundy it with a accidental question mark in the script.

[02:30:18] Uh, it, it comes up and it says Ant-Man and the wasp will return and it's got its usual

[02:30:23] period, but then that period morphs into a question mark, uh, because, oh yeah, will

[02:30:31] they return?

[02:30:32] We don't know.

[02:30:33] Do we?

[02:30:34] We'll never know.

[02:30:35] We don't know.

[02:30:35] We'll never know.

[02:30:36] We'll never learn.

[02:30:38] Um, so yeah, uh, that, that's, that's the end of this one.

[02:30:44] Uh, it, I, I like this, this last little bit.

[02:30:49] It's kind of, uh, again, a more solidified reminder of like, oh yeah, half the world's

[02:30:54] gone.

[02:30:56] So.

[02:30:58] More avocado toast for the rest of us though.

[02:31:00] That survived.

[02:31:02] As long as half the avocado trees.

[02:31:05] Don't burn me out, man.

[02:31:06] Don't burn me out.

[02:31:07] Let's not go there.

[02:31:08] I've already lost too many heroes.

[02:31:10] Let's not lose.

[02:31:12] Our.

[02:31:14] Shut up.

[02:31:15] All right, guys.

[02:31:16] Well, we're going to get out of here.

[02:31:17] We will see you over, uh, on the, well, next thing you'll hear is the monthly bugle.

[02:31:22] And then after that, we will see you in Captain Marvel.

[02:31:27] Enough said.