Puny Pod | Phase 3 Episode 6 - Black Panther Part 2

[00:00:00] Welcome back everybody! We are back for Part 2 of Black Panther. If you haven't listened to Part 1, go listen to it. We talk about space Wakanda and eating primates and all kinds of really fun stuff over there.

[00:00:22] No really we do talk about the production details, comic history of these characters. Like here in Part 2 we're going to get right into it. We're going to go talk about these this movie Black Panther. So David, what were you kind of do you remember flashing back to 2018?

[00:00:42] What were you kind of feeling the first time you went to see this? What were you feeling about the release? What do you remember? I'm not gonna lie sometimes and you ask me hey what was this movie first like when you saw it

[00:00:52] I'm like, I said thinking when I saw the incredible Hulk. I don't I'm not quite sure this went vivid memories right? Like the buzz around it was huge. Ryan Kudus from Oakland, California This was very very popular movie when it came out. So locally I remember

[00:01:16] going online and gonna see it opening weekend getting tickets for me and my son and it like everywhere around me sold out can't find tickets can't find space. So eventually we

[00:01:28] went to go see it. We went to like a suburb like a what I've fried referters like a pretty white suburb where we can find tickets and still theater was packed like PVC kids. You see

[00:01:45] African-American kids who were like you know posing with the black Panther cut out if you well like it was it was you know and I was super excited to see it. How about you?

[00:01:56] That's awesome. Yeah yeah I first time I saw it was in Cheyenne with the comic book store I think just the demographics of the area means that I didn't get to experience quite that side of the culture around it unfortunately. I'm really jealous of stories like that because

[00:02:21] those are really like I find those really powerful and actually friend of the show real quick not not my story but someone else's story from the show Dan from Supreme Resort scraping the ball bowiesplaining. He often tells the story he was working in movie theaters at the time

[00:02:46] and he will very frequently share the story that he watched like the whole community show up in their Sunday best for this movie. The whole black community of the area where he was all just

[00:03:03] showing up in their Sunday best to go see this movie which so impactful, so cool. Way cooler than my story where I just went to see it with some comic book nerds and like I think just because being

[00:03:17] in Cheyenne you know just not a very diverse population. Hippos huge very very very excited for this movie. Black Panther is a major character in the comics that had been unrightfully

[00:03:38] stifled for what we talked about in part one over 20 years and so very excited to kind of get that to the screen I will mention for the sake of my marriage I need to mention this because Lisa

[00:03:55] Quiz me on this and I was I didn't remember this black Panther is actually the first movie that my wife and I saw together our first date was a 303 concert on March 3rd aka 303 day

[00:04:15] in 2018 she went to a work conference for a week and when she got back we went to see Black Panther. What was your wrong guess? I didn't remember. Okay yeah she was like you remember what the first

[00:04:30] movie saw and this was what we were watching Black Panther so it was like clearly the it was Black Panther but I don't remember this and she's like yeah it was Black Panther. That's too funny. It's hard

[00:04:42] I mean in hindsight especially with kind of the lag and all of the theater business recently it's really hard to put yourself into the mindset and you can think about what things are like politically in 2018 but just the absolute buzz for this movie so right you know especially

[00:05:01] here like an Oakland right who is from Oakland he you know shot a film in Oakland there's a famous old time movie theater that he used to go to as a kid the grand-like theater which right

[00:05:14] like Merrick where ostensibly this is where we see in Joe Boo's apartment as supposed to be right in the area and he went there surprise the surprise for opening day and like this video of him

[00:05:27] like giving a speech and talking about like this is the theater where his dad took him as a kid and now he's like this Oakland kid who's like living this dream he's got his own movie being released here

[00:05:36] and people are losing their minds it's great so good. Oh this bombs man yeah it's great it's great and then went to see it a second time I think that same weekend the took took my son again and why

[00:05:50] if we went to go see it in a movie theater which was the first place I was able to I think drink in a movie theater so yeah so great all around so yeah so yeah and I do want to say real quick

[00:06:06] before we go any further I probably should have put this disclaimer at the top you know I do want to recognize we are too white guys talking about um a culture that that we can only hope to

[00:06:21] appreciate the way it should be appreciated and you know I I just want to say that like we know I don't know what to say more than just we know and definitely you know

[00:06:37] I think we can only we can only be outsiders looking in only guest in this if you want yeah based based upon based upon the reaction things we've we've we've read we've listened to like

[00:06:54] it it's not a mist just like the huge like cultural impacts you hear stories of parents bringing their kids and kids just you know losing their mind that there's a superhero that looks like them

[00:07:08] and which had not been the case I mean that you know played but like otherwise had not been the case in the MCU so I'm really excited to review this movie I love this movie I'm not gonna jump ahead too far but

[00:07:22] yeah and on it's been a minute since I'd seen it what was your what were you looking when we're when all the rewatch what we were looking forward to I was looking forward to this I've been looking

[00:07:33] forward to past three like honestly we could probably cut and paste my my spiel here from literally all of phase three I do watch phase three movies somewhat frequently black Panthers one

[00:07:46] that that my wife turns on apparently because it was the first one we saw together I did realize that I thought she just really liked the baby but no joking aside yeah you know it is one that's often

[00:08:00] on in the background of our house or you know I might catch it at a hotel when you turn on TVS it seems like black Panthers frequently what what they're showing there so I I am fairly familiar with this

[00:08:14] movie I was I was more familiar with it than say like Thor Dark World or something where we were kind of cut where I was coming back to it after not seeing it for a very long time this this is one

[00:08:26] I've seen more but I was really excited I love this movie I was I was actually excited to get into the comic research because the comic history of of black Panther it's not something I was super familiar with like

[00:08:40] I said in my comic segment I was more familiar with kind of King of the dead black Panther and black Panther in the the 2010s era I wasn't really familiar with black Panther as a solo character

[00:09:01] and his kind of original person so I was really excited to get into the comic research for this process but but to go back and rewatch it I was I love watching this movie this is one so good

[00:09:16] and spoiler alert if you don't want to listen all the way to the end I'm going to say it now it's probably gonna end up in my top top third so David how about you um when you when you first watch

[00:09:31] the film and maybe you are watching for the very first time but when you first watch the film I mean the the focus is on the two main charismatic actors who are just you can't take your eyes off of them

[00:09:44] and then when you watch it a few more times you pick up some things going through this time I really I wanted to really kind of focus in on some of the non-main characters for one and then

[00:09:58] I in doing research really appreciate it more just the aesthetic and the design and the intentionality by which Rine Cougler and the other creatives that they infused into this movie to make it like what is what a by all accounts would be like an African movie

[00:10:21] African superhero with African country and so forth and just to see the costuming the design work just the music that's what I want to do where appreciate because you tend to oftentimes miss it when you know how they design all the costumes you're like oh wow they just

[00:10:37] jumps off the screen and it's not it's a great film so I was looking forward to watching it again never gets old yeah for sure well let's get started with the movie here so we start with an animated story

[00:10:53] kind of telling us the backstory of Wakanda millions of years ago meteorite composed of vibranium crashing to a crash into Africa and affected the land around it five African tribes with later settled upon the vibranium richland and call it Wakanda the five tribes were constantly at

[00:11:12] war with each other until one tribesmen obtained a heart-shaped herb with the help of the Panther goddess fast the herb gave him superhuman strength speed and senses enabling him to become the first black Panther and King of Wakanda for those who were paying attention to during the

[00:11:32] comic parts that's Boshinga is the first black Panther and the story I did not did you catch the first time or second time I didn't realize that that was totally cabron in jobbo telling it to

[00:11:45] his son Eric yeah I didn't catch it until like I was actually researching I didn't pick up the voice and then once you hear you you can't on here yeah what you're like oh yeah yes

[00:11:59] um so four tribes agreed to live under Boshinga's rule this was the merchant tribe the border tribe the river tribe and the mining tribe but the jobbo aka the mountain tribe isolated themselves in the mountains rather than live under the black Panther's rule the Wakondans used vibranium

[00:12:21] to develop highly advanced technology to avoid being threatened by other nations Wakanda hid their vibranium and posed as a poor third world country to the outside world. Two things I would note here one this is a tidy backstory one 42 I love it super tight

[00:12:42] I can imagine the four hour versions was like 18 minutes long and then the other one was this gives me hope for what eyes of Wakanda could be the tv series. Absolutely super am for that.

[00:12:56] I'm super stoked for that and that I think hopefully that stays away from space Wakanda. But oh god. That was so fun is just just animated series of like people eating and bathing in the blood of like relevant man this might have started a little too dark.

[00:13:15] So then we fast forward to 1992 Oakland California. It is nighttime in Oakland not Atlanta Oakland and we hear the song in the trunk by two short playing and some cease of young kids playing basketball outside of the apartment building David you are an oaklander.

[00:13:41] Okay this okay so a couple things one once that title card flashed and you hurt two the movie theater lost its mind oh I was oh my god and I'm in like White ass suburb I'm not even in Oakland this time I'm like pleasant nail or something and

[00:14:02] people that was just Rockus and then I look closely and I'm like cool that's like merit and like Wait that's the tribute to that doesn't look right and then you look more close in like

[00:14:17] Oh this is an oakland. This is Cleveland. You just such a disappointment I'm like dude you filmed a movie here already just a few years before

[00:14:27] Can you just call up someone in permitting to say hey I just need to shut down the lakes I can film this one basketball scene anyway It is it Oakland standing in for I mean Atlanta standing in for Oakland

[00:14:40] stands in for London stands in you know spoiler stands in for South Korean put on But just a few things as we mentioned before right cooler was born in Oakland 1986 it is the home of the Black Panther Party that was informed a few months after

[00:14:58] Stanley and Jack Kirby created the introduced Black Panther and fantastic four volume one in 1966 Joe Robert Cole went to supercly played on the basketball team there at university and what I did not know is that the Oakland apartment building is across the the Oakland

[00:15:18] of AirQuote's Park Build is cross street from the Atlanta church where MLK is buried and so they actually CGI the front to take some of the brickwork off because it you know did not that's not a we're not look very Oaklandish ever if you will

[00:15:34] and his daughter visited production during the filming and shook everyone's hand and plus the project and that one yeah it was cool like uh wasn't open but I guess oh let that go but um the other thing is when you see

[00:15:48] little kids playing basketball one of the one of the kids called E which is obviously Nick Dame's Eric which will learn more about in the movie so well in 1992 that would be you know easy E was was on the mind and yeah

[00:16:03] two short of just out of him so height yeah so inside the apartment we see Jobu played by Sterling K Brown plotting a job with James played by Denzel Whitaker again no relation to forest even though he is playing the

[00:16:20] young version of him when they are visited by two quote Grace Jones looking chicks and Wakanda and King Tachaka who is played by at the Wakanda Connie who's on a John Connie as you mentioned in the production details

[00:16:41] he dresses the black Panther he has to take his helmet off which is that joke that runs through for a little bit about how stupid it is to have to take

[00:16:51] your helmet off and he'll get you a little every time but uh and Jobu is the brother of King Tachaka and the father of Eric Stevens who's playing basketball right yep we might see him later in the movie maybe

[00:17:10] and Jobu is working undercover as a spy to Chaka accuses in Jobu of helping arms dealer you list his claws deal a quarter ton of vibranium by telling him where it was and how to get it

[00:17:22] and Jobu's partner James shows his war dog lip tattoo and reveals that he is another undercunder undercover Wakanda spy who's named Zuri an elder statesman of Wakanda and the keeper of the heart shaped herb Zuri confirms that to Chaka's or confirms

[00:17:42] Chaka's suspicions and to Chaka orders Jobu to return to Wakanda in face punishment for his crimes and then we get the talking drum kind of theme song start playing yeah and you know

[00:17:59] I think this is a moment to mention um so in the Disney plus anybody who's watching this on Disney plus you might watch this and be like wait how did they make a title card that has

[00:18:13] scenes from movies that haven't happened at the time of the release um they did it the the title card that the currently appears on Disney plus was added in 2020 and honor of Chadwick

[00:18:27] Boseman after his death um it I I start tearing up watching it every time yeah the they substituted it out they included footage from all of his movies it's kind of uh purple tone if you will for

[00:18:46] royalty we're gonna talk about coloring it in a second um and includes a quote from to Challa if you see it's the famous line when he's at the end it's simply it's in times of crisis

[00:18:57] the wise build bridges while the foolish build barriers um yeah I know it's I've it's definitely jumped out of me because I'm obviously watching the first time it's just your regular Marvel title card

[00:19:10] um two things I want to note about the prior scene um mostly one as relates to I mean we see you know I love in jobus like so a fend like James really like you're spying he's like yeah we're all spies

[00:19:27] and the the the one thing I want to talk about is like the the coloring the set design if you well so as mentioned before in the part one we talked about the how the music leaf tones I think

[00:19:42] they were called to introduce characters or to associate with different scenes in this movie we see the first use of color so the film uses colors black red and green which is traditional colors in African culture additionally and we see in this scene in elsewhere

[00:19:58] the color blue commonly used in western and European culture and blue is used to represent outsiders or out of place elements in Wakanda and so in in jobus apartment um you know so we see the

[00:20:12] blue glow in in jobus apartment in James's shirt later on we'll see like claw and Ross and Kilmonger all were blue clothes later at the point in the time in the scene and um you know but later

[00:20:25] obviously like Wakabi in the border tribe they wear blue and Wakabi turns against Chalas so it's pretty cool how they do that and then the thing I was going to see on the color purple which represents

[00:20:34] nobility in high rank we see Zuri and James you know James right here in this in this scene he's wearing purple and then Zuri later on in the movie he's got these beautiful decorative purple robe to signify like this high rank hmm yeah that's that's super interesting and

[00:20:57] man this this movie just has has layers and layers and layers and on it's it's one of those ones one of those rare times and this is probably why it got nominated for best picture

[00:21:10] because it on its surface it's a really good movie it's just an enjoyable comic book movie and then you just start peeling stuff back and it just keeps getting better yeah you really you I'm really

[00:21:25] by the attention to detail the intentionality that goes into the costuming the set design the the coloring of everything yeah it's very cool so then we move forward a little bit in time

[00:21:40] and we get to the summer of 2016 we we see Tachalla watching BBC news report about the UN bombing which killed his father Tachalla in general a Koya of the Doromalaje are tracking down the Tia

[00:21:57] in the sunbiza forest of Nigeria she travels undercover in a calm boy of human traffickers Tachalla takes down most of the militants himself after receiving warning from a Koya to don't freeze and to which she responds I never freeze but the final hostage must be saved by

[00:22:23] Akoya after Tachalla lays eyes on her and he freezes Kia season the Kia and you're seasoning for this up so funny Niki is initially annoyed to have permission disrupted but then this heart but then is heartbroken to learn of King Tachalla's death to Tachalla asks

[00:22:45] Niki to return home for his coronation knowing he needs her support and counsel at the beginning when they show the present day they show the Wakandan font which is pretty cool that was designed by production designer and a beaker who wanted to get an order for this

[00:23:03] and graphic designer Zach Fanon and it's a modern take on a fourth century version of the Sabidi an ancient afghan writing script of like shapes and symbols which I never heard of before which I thought was pretty cool and then the Niki character is Brian Kugler and the

[00:23:20] Dr. Kamtoa said was an inspiration for her character was Harry Tubman so yeah after she went north she was the military worked as a unit spine so kind of tracks with that character yeah I could

[00:23:33] see that I could see that for sure so the return to Wakanda and are greeted by Tachalla's mother Queen Ramunda his sister princess Sherry and the head of Wakanda science research who is also the head of Wakanda science and research division the Doromalaje are also at the

[00:23:55] arrival Sherry immediately asks Didi Freeze to which a Koyai said like an antelope in headlights the so if it cracks you up the when I saw the scene again you know knowing like Ruth Carter

[00:24:13] like the the amount of inspiration she took from afghan culture to design these costumes so Queen Ramunda is wearing you probably remember this amazing headress in the shoulder mantle he says big huge right thing and it was based on a South African married woman's hat called

[00:24:31] Isicolo and she wanted to be perfectly shaped so she created it on a 3D printer wow that was pretty cool and then the Doromalaje's uniforms have this beautiful mentality Algarmer which inspired by South African jewelry so a Koyai wears gold armor

[00:24:50] which signifies her leadership she's the general while the rest of the Doromalaje have silver colored vibranium and they wear these neck rings that are known as Zilla and come from the Diwali, Diwali people of the southern afghan regions where these wives wear these rings

[00:25:09] as a sign of matrimony loyalty and this is a tribute to the comics where the Doromalaje were meant to serve as wives and training a four-block panther which thankfully you kind of avoided

[00:25:18] that storyline here yeah other thing and think to note those are made of rubber because it's too hot and then you see sure she's wearing if you if you if you blink you'll miss up it she's wearing a

[00:25:32] t-shirt with a symbol on it and within it's an a dincre symbol meeting purpose so that's you know talking about her purpose uh yeah in the movie so yeah and we get a fun little

[00:25:44] exchange here too where like to Challa talk about how it's comprised he is the cherries there and you know we we do set an early tone of like sure he being the mind towards progression right

[00:25:56] uh she's like I'm not here for you I just want to know about the EMP beads right how they work Challa's like they worked fine don't update on them sure he says I really like this this quote

[00:26:08] how many times do i have to teach you just because something works doesn't mean that it can't be improved which really sets up our character of sure he is like this progressive mindset who is

[00:26:18] you know looking to continually improve things yeah and it should be pointed out she is supposed to be I think 14-ish age in this movie and I think Kevin Faggie has confirmed confirmed in one interview

[00:26:31] is she is the most brilliant person to appear in the MCU so smarter than Tony Stark you know mean like smarter than Mr. Fantastic like she is you know brilliant level technologist if you

[00:26:47] for sure um and it also at the end of that scene which she's walking away and you know to Challa kind of ribs her a little bit about the updates to her ceremony allowed fit and she just

[00:27:00] gives him the finger as she walks away telling it's so good and and Ramund does like mom eyes in the back of her head sure he's sorry mom that's great and Ben feels like yeah that that

[00:27:15] seems to me you're right early on um does a really good job of kidding like actual you know family dynamics you know big brother little sister like probably the healthiest family that we have had

[00:27:29] in the MCU so far no I would say um the guardians no yeah eagle and Peter for sure or would it be Thanos and you know uh uh uh uh uh macum off twins. It's not great they're not this yeah

[00:27:49] anyway so then we cut to the museum of Great Britain in London where we see Killmonger checking out some ancient artifacts he sees him he asks the museum director about the origin of various pieces

[00:28:02] including a hammer shaped item uh that she says is from Benin Benin in the 7th century he corrects her he says it wasn't taken or it was taken by British soldiers in Benin but it's

[00:28:19] from Wakanda and it's made out of vibranium don't trip I'm gonna take a head off your hands for you he's the um director these items aren't for sale killmonger how do you think your ancestors got these

[00:28:31] I think they paid a fair price or did they take it just like they took everything else um and in this scene we get a really good feeling for the attitude of of Killmonger like again his care

[00:28:46] that that is something this movie does very well across the board whether it's Wakanda's backstory being told into less than two minutes the characterization of these characters being exposed in less than like five minutes each right we get a very strong feeling for these characters

[00:29:05] very quickly and and I think that's part of why this movie is successful because they don't have to go on these long you know journeys to give you the backstory it's just here's who these people are

[00:29:16] right yep the um two uh just design things one is the exterior of the uh music is actually the high music of art in Atlanta but the interior was entirely custom built and they worked on

[00:29:31] even getting all the artifacts from like the right time period which I thought was pretty cool and if you notice you're on rewatch if you watch it again killmonger's wearing a blue shirt cinematography tint is blue I've seen this very blue again representing this kind of

[00:29:45] western outsider into the um into the scenery yeah so killmonger you least he's claw linda or uh linda uh she's seen the did you see the research she tweeted out she was gonna be

[00:30:03] this one character in in the oh she was supposed to oh what's her name um are you talking about till the swimton or are you talking about uh linda's linda original character yeah linda was originally

[00:30:16] going to be uh till the uh Johnson you can't a night shade but then the Luke Cage series used that character with a different actress uh and at that time they were kind of still paying

[00:30:31] difference to those two those Netflix movie or those Netflix shows and so suddenly we changed and and actually her name tag still says tillba that's fun in the the coffee shop um and then limbaani played by david sly and they're gang all steel disguised by

[00:30:53] brainium art or all all worked together to steal the disguised by brainium artifact from the museum they kill several guards in the process you also get the unhinged side of claw here where he

[00:31:05] lets a guard run away and then shoots him in the back uh the group disguises themselves as EMTs and escapes in an ambulance the plan is to sell this this vibranium in an underground casino in

[00:31:19] buzon south of Korea yeah yeah the yeah thank you the um the killmugger character the thing I like is like the way he talks like sounds like he grew up in Oakland just i'm just the they obviously

[00:31:35] spot on just terms some of the expressions the mask that he is quite feeling it's cool like rank who who says it's a combination of different afghanara animals so it they just created it the

[00:31:46] the the anal pantlers there's a simian face there's a main of a lion and it symbolizes the idea that killmugger himself is an amalgamation of of different things and i guess it also was that

[00:31:59] rep resembles a mask that he wore in the comics which i thought was cool yeah it's really close to that so the question I have for you so we saw the canon arm because it was removed and if

[00:32:11] end your save of age of all tron and it was replaced with like obviously some repurposed piece of volcanic technology why so claw salt all that vibranium before for billions like why does he

[00:32:25] want to steal this small chunk is it just like eddy's mended on where do you think it's just the chase it's just what he does yeah i think it's probably a little bit of both right he's

[00:32:36] he is on hinge he does live lavishly maybe he financed his sound cloud career with the original sale but i i think there's that i i would also say like tabaro from his comic backstory

[00:32:52] he's developing weapons that require vibranium to work and maybe that's what's happening here to right is you know his sonic arm that he's got at this point required the the vibranium to work

[00:33:12] and and so he's just chasing after more i could also see it just being like killmonger contacted him right and killmonger like killmonger wanted to get the vibranium to to this is a little bit of

[00:33:27] the characters read the script kind of moment to borrow a phrase from our friends over at scraping the ball they talk a little bit about that that trope of like the characters sometimes seem to

[00:33:39] be able to read the script and so like maybe killmonger knew this was going to draw out what condons okay um oh but yeah i i could see claw hitting up killmonger and saying like

[00:33:56] or i'm sorry killmonger you know he needs to steal some vibranium and he knows the one guy who know who can he can sell it right he knows the guy who's got the connection right and and

[00:34:09] obviously inevitably kind of getting back to what cond almost i don't want to say being caught but like getting the attention of what condo right yeah exactly so that tracks with his

[00:34:22] history and the comics right he tends to kind of lash out to get their attention okay and well we'll lash out later in this movie so it is now time to crown a new leader of Wakanda and as part

[00:34:34] of the ceremony um we see Zuri strips to challa of his powers by giving him some of the heart you herb that you'll see many times in the movie and then this is the time when they invite members

[00:34:46] of the other tribes to challenge him for the throne so the merchant tribe border river and mining tribes will condo are all present at the ceremony but they do not choose to challenge to

[00:34:56] challa for the position of king and jobu asks if any of the royal blood which to challenge for the throne and Shuri races her hands and they'll kind of shock to look on people's faces and she

[00:35:09] said hey it's course it is real in controls so we all just wrap this up and go home which is very kind of funny moment um and then just real quick before we get into the challenge these you

[00:35:24] see these these falls which are really impressive and it's this is these are visually based on the agazoo falls in Brazil and Argentinian border the Victoria Falls in Zambia in Zambaboy border and the Orbeginge which is a canyon in South Africa so this was a Atlantis sound set

[00:35:46] 100 miles 100 miles so 100 feet wide 40 feet tall CGI on top of it 100 to thousands of 100 of thousands of gallons of water they filmed there for about this scene and then a late scene we see later on they rank up who said problem around like 14 days wow yeah which um

[00:36:08] this is what a funny but not funny note is that it became a nightmare because of the sunlight and the onset lights and the reflectiveness like started to injure people a bit because of having

[00:36:20] vision problems oh wow the Daniel Calo he he guys eyes sunburned I've never heard of getting your eyes sunburned he had to go to the hospital so if you see some of the deleted scenes you see in between

[00:36:34] set in between takes on the set everyone's wearing sunglasses and they tarp the water to prevent it I sounds miserable yeah hopefully that was at the end of shooting but I'm guessing it was not

[00:36:45] yeah also one little comic book note here is Shuri actually in the in the challenge where to Chala wins the black Panther from Cionh's uncle during that challenge tournament Shuri is also putting herself forward as a contender and she ultimately loses obviously and does not

[00:37:12] become black Panther but I think that this may be a little bit of a nod to that too Shuri's kind of piping up here well also establishing her character as somebody who kind of bucks tradition

[00:37:26] she's also somebody who in the comics challenged in the very same tournament that that to Chala won the black Panther from. Yep just then as they're about to wrap it quote wrap it up and go home the mountain tribe crashes at the party right they you see these

[00:37:50] obakku who's leader the jibari you see the jibari come through like this tunnel these like big hulking people and they're making this kind of like almost like oh yeah yeah this

[00:38:00] apesant like it is it is so intimidating I imagine you know the so we've got the separated tribe it has lived you know on its own independent from the rest of Wakana for the most part and

[00:38:14] ubaku who is leader of the jibari wins the dukes uh insinuates that to Chala is a poor leader any sites series lack of respect towards Wakana traditions you just touched on and to Chala's fate failure to prevent his own father's death. I was completely completely completely completely

[00:38:35] unnecessary so um boku invite invokes his right to ceremonial combat and to Chala quickly accepts the challenge like in the middle of speech I accept and after under that with uh that

[00:38:49] I'm sorry he did that with um uh kill mug but he accepts the the challenge you know they have this tough fight in the in the pool over the Watanir the Waterfalls you have both uh Doromalaji

[00:39:02] and you have the um the jibari getting closer and closer and like kind of like fencing them in if you will um to Chala overpowers and boku and convince him to surrender

[00:39:12] rather than to fight to the death for the sake of his people to Chala is an order king of Wakana and Chalats will kind of forever to the gather tribes. The uh question I commented a question one

[00:39:25] it looks like the transformation we strip the person of the black Panther power looks fairly like painful and traumatic yeah and I'm like can I just can I get like a like a like an

[00:39:39] espresso and like a 30-minute break before I go and fight with the death um but the question it's more of a comment like I just the one of the things that always kind of struck me is like

[00:39:50] this is the most advanced country in the world and yet they select the ruler in a trial by combat which to me seems kind of odd but again nod to the comic and and uh and I am curious you know

[00:40:07] I think what I the feeling I got up until the jibari showed up was like the trial by combat is almost a ritualistic formality at this point where like nobody really challenges

[00:40:21] uh it's more of just something that like like a inauguration right it it's just kind of a thing that happens. Sure okay. Most of the time right occasionally the jibari will come down and

[00:40:38] screw it up but yeah the um this next scene was actually for me on rewatch tough to watch after to challa proves that he is fit to rule he retakes the herbs powers and is transported to the

[00:40:54] ancestral plane where he converses with the spirit of chtoch his father to chaka the deceased king expresses pride in his son calling him quote a good man with a good heart but he kind of

[00:41:05] cryptically warns him that quote it's hard for a good man to be a king yeah and that's just I'm just knowing what chabric boesman at this point in time but the time the movie comes out when he's

[00:41:18] filming this but what the movie comes out he is two years into his battle of cancer and just that makes me it just makes me sad yeah yeah it's hard uh it's definitely one of

[00:41:31] those things that that you know on rewatch it's because at the time we didn't know it was not public about his battle and so for those who don't know I think we've alluded to it a few

[00:41:44] times but I don't think we've explicitly said it um chattrofosman did pass in 2020 after a battle with calling cancer correct. I believe it's calling cancer yeah four years he so he filmed this film the two Avengers films I mean everybody knows the chap was

[00:42:05] passed away that was the why they read it the logo but just kind of amazing when you see this performance and the amount of energy it probably takes to film this and film other

[00:42:17] Avengers movies and going through what he's going I can't imagine like but um that was one of the things I think of as Ryan could go talk about like how he knew how important this role was

[00:42:30] and how important it was to deliver it and um like I don't know if for me I'd be like I'm not making any movies I'm gonna you know I'm just gonna be healthy you know live the rest of my life

[00:42:42] of this best I can and he just chose to like um you know continue on and make films. Yes yeah chattrofosman delivered I think during that fight delivered probably two of his most

[00:42:55] impactful roles in the work that he did as black Panther as well as 42 where he was Jackie Robinson as a baseball fan and all that that that movie I saw that movie in the theaters too and that one

[00:43:11] again so impactful so yeah sorry to bring it down for a second in the middle of like us talking about a comic book movie I think though this is where it fits right because I think on rewatch these

[00:43:26] are the sort of things that come in right and then it'll be you know it's it was not the same by any means I don't I don't mean to compare these things but you know Stan Lee's cameo sometimes hit

[00:43:39] a little differently now that he's passed or um you know uh William hurt seeing William hurt is that he's a race Stevenson right yeah yeah sometimes those hit a little differently and and obviously for somebody who is as monumental as chattrofosman you're gonna you're gonna

[00:43:57] feel some things knowing that and seeing him literally go to the afterlife in this movie yeah we um after uh afterwards we see and this is where you see to Challa has two back-to-back conversations

[00:44:13] which basically highlight the different perspectives of Wakanda and its role within the world so talking to Keia at the Wacan streets of Wakanda having a philisophic discussion into Talsas if the

[00:44:27] world found out what we truly are what we possess we would lose our way of life and the Keia says Wakanda is strong enough to help others and protect ourselves at the same time and then

[00:44:39] right after that we see Tachalla and Wakabi who is ahead of the border tribe having a conversation discussing what Nikia suggested and Tachalla says Nikia thinks we should be doing more and Wakabi says more like what Tachalla fornai refugee programs Wakabas says you let the

[00:44:58] refugees in they bring their problems with them and then Wakanda is like everywhere else so you can see right there completely different perspectives you know Wakabie representing tradition and how Wakanda is always operated and Nikia you know her being a ward off she's

[00:45:18] she's out in the world and she sees the problems of the world she just saw her second ago when she was dealing with helping save people who are being subject to human trafficking and it's

[00:45:30] the conflict that we see through the entire movie yeah and what's interesting with Wakabie too is I didn't notice this until actually my third rewatch I I like watched it but like didn't pick up on

[00:45:42] a specific line so after this kind of conversation where he's like yeah you let people in and they bring their problems with them he then goes on to say if you told me to take my people

[00:45:56] and go out into the world and correct its problems I would do it in a heartbeat so it's kind of a it's not the isolationist mindset that that necessarily Wakanda has embraced for up to this point

[00:46:15] it's it's the mindset of like not in my backyard right yep kind of the nimbah attitude of just like don't bring it here I'll go out I'll fight wars I'll do all that stuff

[00:46:30] which is interesting yeah yeah I noticed that as well you talked about I think you had some comments around oh yes the Afro futuristic designs of Wakanda you see it really put on display really nicely

[00:46:49] here in these scenes and continuing into sure he's lab where the idea here the inspiration was the thought of Africa without the influence of European colonization basically what if Wakanda what if Africa had been able to flourish on its own without being decimated by European

[00:47:11] invaders and so you see that you know the high the skyscrapers and the they still have the fached roofs on them they still have like some of the things that are from the African

[00:47:29] continent but that's married with the technology that Wakanda has brought up so really cool to see and then I also think that it's really cool as you keep watching this movie where like especially on the streets of the Golden City if you turn your eyes away from Nikeya

[00:47:49] and to Chala for a minute and you just look at the background you look at the extras and the the just the place setting that they do you see people like using their beads to watch

[00:48:03] like internet videos right you can imagine the beads have a YouTube app right and they're just like part of the world at large you see like somebody taking a picture of the king

[00:48:15] and is and is quote unquote friend right in the background at one point kind of grinning about oh my goodness look at like there's the king you know and and I think that that's some really cool work

[00:48:26] by people who kind of go on unappreciated sometimes in background extras it's a lot of times they're just milling around walking around but if you if you do take a minute and watch those scenes

[00:48:37] and kind of watch the background there is some really great place setting that happens that I think is really cool yeah it's very like two point it's very intentional it's very purposeful

[00:48:48] it it it is you are creating a new world and it's not just like you're saying a random people walking in the background so so as what Kabi and to Chala are talking about what Kanda

[00:49:02] having their kind of discussion is to you know what's best for what kind of what should they do they each receive like a Komoyo be zoom call from a Koya my king my love she says to them

[00:49:17] and surely after that we see there's a meeting with Chala and the other tribe leaders where she Akoya tells them that Kla intense to sell that stolen vibranium to an American buyer in South Korea

[00:49:32] and what Kabi who again head of the border tribe lost many of his border tribe people to Kla during the 1992 raid including one Kabi's parents and to Chala promise him that he will bring

[00:49:45] Kla back to Wakanda dead or alive before he leaves and this is a very fun scene he to Chala join Sherry in her lab again lots of blue you see blue vibranium you see her the screens are blue

[00:50:04] she or her outpinch which represents like her uniqueness if you will yeah they kind of out of place in which in otherwise when you see the rest of Wakanda which you know does not look as advanced and modernized and she out fits him in the latest communications

[00:50:23] like the Komoyo beads um she gives him fully automated she's he he slips up his pant like and she sees this the sandals she's the hell for those freaks out like raw my fan over my

[00:50:40] all my vine fans yeah that was a very good time in reference she yeah they don't make you know so she gives him fully automated shoes that don't make any noise she makes jokes that she

[00:50:51] calls some sneakers um later on when he's walking if they actually do make noise but whatever it's fine and other tech year and then she introduced him to his new black pant there suit which is

[00:51:03] stored in the teeth of the necklace which is very cool so he's just wearing an necklace he doesn't have to you know pull up Peter Parker and her superman right off the phone booth and change

[00:51:16] and so she's got a mannequin with the black pant there suit on she she says that the suit has absorbs now absorbs kinetic energy and holds it in place for redistribution

[00:51:31] and then she says you know and she first time you kicks it and he knocks it across the labs like what are you doing like uh and so he goes to kick it again and she pulls up her little like

[00:51:43] see through the iPad starts recording like what are you doing he's like as for research and then he kicks it a second time in this same spot and it just the kinetic energy is redistributed

[00:51:54] and it shoots them across the lab and just crack up every single time delete that footage yeah so good it's so great but again it creates a great brother sister brother seen it right absolutely absolutely yeah such a good like good family relationship here a couple of little

[00:52:15] camea or Easter eggy kind of things um she says that the shoes are fully automated like that old American film that Baba watched obviously referring to back to the future part two

[00:52:32] and the the sneakers on their soul so before to Challa like steps into them you can see there's some writing on them and they say air H-E-I-R like air to the throne to Chaka on the on the

[00:52:50] left foot says to Chaka on the right foot it says air um on the end soul like at the top yeah like on the end yeah kind of also making a joke towards air Jordan right never heard it

[00:53:07] and then also when the suit blows for the first time it you can tell that it's like symbols and if you kind of pause you can see that it says I love you mom uh I never saw that the symbols

[00:53:16] that that light up um it's in the it's in the Wakanda now for that obviously so you have to kind of translate it and all that but yeah that's cool hi none of them said before check out so

[00:53:28] to Challa Nikia and Aquay A United permission in South Africa learning after learning the claw has resurfaced and intends to sell stolen by breading on the black market sorry is going to help remotely uh the three of them passed through the club's metal detectors and are the casino

[00:53:46] in search of claw is about a group of Americans including to Challa's friend from the last movie CIA agent ever Ross Ross is posing as the buyer but is secretly planning to arrest claw the Challa joins Ross at the craps table and the each place a wager

[00:54:05] to Challa and I by the way we are not going to do any of the uh coza South African uh accents cuz it's too hard uh it would just not be great um uh if hey if it's like a World War Two

[00:54:19] Living it's Captain America I get to throw on a German accent 300% down but not to an era so Challa says you are buying from claw Ross says what I'm doing or not doing on behalf of the

[00:54:30] US government is none of your concern now whatever the hell you're up to do me favor stand in my way to Challa says I gave you ZMO Ross says quote didn't I keep it under apps that the king of a

[00:54:44] third world country runs around and a bulletproof cat suit? I'd say we're even you really need to leave now to Challa says claw is leaving out that door with me you've been warned um the it's funny

[00:54:59] that if you look they place bets on the roulette table Ross bets the past line and to Challa bets that don't pass line and they're betting directly against each other one wins in one loses on the

[00:55:11] roll of the dice uh the Ross bet is the more popular bet and to Challa's is the less popular but is the statistically better wager for gambling to generates like myself so to Challa walks away

[00:55:25] from Ross uh actually wins he leaves his winnings standly as first a gambler makes his bullet court cameo and scoops up to Challa's poker chips just kind of like I'll take care of these

[00:55:40] claw and his entourage then arrive in the casino each of them sets off the metal detector like it's just sounds like a like a school bell ringing right? Yeah during the operation Acquiet is compromised and this leads to a massive fight in the casino

[00:55:59] which is a very cool like she see her getting fighting for the first time she's got her like where was it but she has her spear that she then just lays waste to do it's left and right

[00:56:13] even uses her wig as a she was so happy to get rid of that stupid wig and vibrarium is not did not set off the metal detectors which is how she was able to

[00:56:24] smuggle it in uh it then leaves the casino and it goes to the streets and then we get a CGI packed car chase through the streets of Atlanta slash boo song and I would like to pause here

[00:56:41] for a moment to pour a little out for outie which did not appear in this movie it was Lexus in Tareau does and I was just like what world let me in right now what happened here um

[00:56:56] Black Panther finally catches claw and removes his prosthetics sonic cannon arm to Challa asks where claw got that technology from to which claw responds you savages it didn't deserve it's cool chill dude to Challa's poised to kill claw as claws like sarcastically

[00:57:19] begging for his mercy he was like oh mercy king mercy like just so he's like yeah I know what he's doing he knows he's he's just he just don't people like cladys it's a little you know why anyway

[00:57:31] and to Challa says every breath you take is mercy from me which I think is a quote from the comment book it is yeah so um the what did you think of going back were like claw brings you know

[00:57:46] whips takes the vibrating out like oh you mean when when gallum is meeting brodo yes gallum when gallum we should probably we skipped our them gallum and Frodo meet and

[00:57:57] gallum breaks out the ring to sell to Frodo yeah yeah the banana pack you you know the like um I I thought I'd buy a suitcase but I didn't I already had like space uh that in like the sound

[00:58:14] cloud rapper joke like that is like right down my alley and like that personality I hate I hate claw like he's a he's a scumbag of a villain but man those jokes hit for me and it makes me enjoy this

[00:58:30] movie even it remind when he when he takes out the vibranium and I I don't know why just I completely forgot that that's what he did and you talked about you know you didn't have money for the suitcase

[00:58:40] and it reminds me of cleave on little in blazing saddles when he like says excuse me while I wait that yeah that's fair that's fair that's right I don't know how man so uh Nikiana Quaid

[00:58:56] discouraged Challa from killing clout because the whole world is watching everyone's holding up phones and recording what's going on uh Agent Clot takes claw in Agent Ross not Agent Clot Agent Ross takes

[00:59:07] claw into custody and as they prepared to and then so then we're in the interrogation room and he claws just he's just being such an sister oh he's just like I see you I see I can see you

[00:59:25] and uh and then he's like sing it a what is love maybe don't hurt me I just just like disguise just cut he's just not all the way there so uh as they prepare to interrogate claw

[00:59:42] Ross tells Challa they're gonna play good cop bad cop to which Challa tells Ross that they're going to take clotable cond after Ross has done questioning so they have this kind of agreed to

[00:59:51] disagree moment he puts his hand on his you know to chop his his hand on the shoulder Ross and places a microphone device or audio device which they can live they the little yeah the

[01:00:06] last of the condons to listen in to interrogation so I don't know why they couldn't just listen through the speaker but whatever so Ross enters the room they start having conversation again Ross is playing I guess the good cop and they start talking about

[01:00:26] claw starts to clue him in like warns of not to trust the what condons when asked where claw got his arm cannon from claw tells him he can get one for Ross

[01:00:38] and Ross says well why don't you just give me the name of your supplier and I'll ask them and Clause is he's right outside once you ask him yourself and so now Clause somehow is turned this

[01:00:49] claw character is fantastic and he is somehow turned the interrogation into basically his TED talk on Wakanda right and he explains to him to Ross that Wakanda was El Dorado the golden city because built on a pile of Ibraidium as Aquia and to Challa

[01:01:10] listen on the conversation and this is a little bit it's so I think I don't know if this is intentional necessarily but the the main city in Wakanda the capital city is referred to as

[01:01:25] the golden city kind of throughout the comics okay I know that the interrogation is cut short when Kilmonger who's wearing that mask that he was feeling attacks the safe house and they help claw to escape to Challa chase them outside the building but Kilmonger repels him with

[01:01:47] an some sort of explosive shot from his gun and as Kilmonger escapes to Challa returns notices that Eric is wearing everything before he escapes he notices that Eric is wearing a ring around

[01:01:57] his neck which bears the Wakanda Royal seal I don't know how you see that because I've watched that scene it doesn't times I still can't make that out but it could just be the I think it's

[01:02:06] more the shape of the ring because it's the same exact ring that to Challa got from Chaka right so I imagine it's something that like the royal family made at some point and has been passed down

[01:02:19] and must have enhanced vision because I cannot I cannot make out could be my TV but anyway Challa returns to find that Eric Ross has been shot in the spine while protecting the

[01:02:29] Kea right there and then Ever Ross bleeds out and dies all right hey oh wait no take that back he takes one of the Koi beads and it surts it into Ross's wound in order to stabilize on I

[01:02:43] okay all right trust you my man on the ship a Koi Express's reservations about eating a foreign intelligence agents the Kea says he took a bullet for me Koi says that was his choice

[01:02:56] the Kea says now we're supposed to just let him die Koi says let us consider the we heal him it is his duty to report back to his country to Challa I'm well aware of my duty general

[01:03:06] to tell the tell Zekoya that he cannot just let Ross die knowing that Wakanda can save him a Koi says where exactly are we taking him um and they're not going to Disneyland they're going to

[01:03:21] Ross yeah yeah because Koi and this is you know you get a good feel for Koi's you know sense of duty here she says as King it is your duty to protect ours and and just to her it's unfathomable

[01:03:38] that somebody would have a duty in skirt it right that is just something she could not imagine that is something that's completely out of the realm of possibility for her which is really interesting

[01:03:50] and also I thought a Koi was also is interesting here the the she is very much into the tradition right this is you know she is obviously your part of the general military you're going to follow

[01:04:04] a certain you're going to have a certain um approach as it relates to rules and structure if you will obviously later in the movie when it comes to loyalty to Challa versus the throne but she is she probably expresses the same position that like Wakanda would say like

[01:04:20] right right right taking to Wakanda now and drop that full off at the local hospital so it turns out that Challa is taking Ross to Wakanda for treatment the spite Koi is reservations sure he is thrilled when she sees them we'll an engravely injured ever

[01:04:41] Ross into her lab great another broken white boy for us to fix of course the other broken white boy that they're currently fixing is Bucky quick question I know that the US government has

[01:04:52] employees have really good health care but do you think that covers this out of out of that work this is way out of no I like to believe that that held that as advanced as Wakanda is

[01:05:07] health care is a is a right to all citizens and foreign dignitaries what's the copay that is the copay that I will say that as a side comment like that is definitely the difference between like American health care and like everywhere else where like

[01:05:28] you know oh you're dying how much is this going to cost oh yeah you're not totally totally like Americans there's like hey I took three days off to recover for my out of pocket surgery that

[01:05:39] I paid for most of it and you talked to someone in your up like well I am depending for your what what's happening anyway as Shuri watches over Ross Wakabi arrives at Shuri's lab he expresses

[01:05:54] disappointment in Challa for his failure to capture a kill claw Wakabi says slip through your hands for 30 years your father was in power and did nothing with you I thought it'd be different

[01:06:09] but it's more of the same brutal deep cut yeah like a like it's in before it's hard for a good man to be king can't please everyone but he would have murdered claw work well not oh yeah if it

[01:06:26] weren't public claw wood we would kill longer would need a different present so we cut over back over to claw kill longer and the crew as they arrive at a small airfield in South Korea

[01:06:44] their plane their plan that plane airfield plan their plan is to split up and for claw to divvy up the money kill longer has different plans he asks to be dropped off in Wakanda to little change a plan from the travel itinerary right yeah

[01:07:08] I'm gonna lay over in Wakanda right right yeah you know I'm just gonna do a thing so after kind of announcing or asking for this obviously the conflict starts to kind of kick off

[01:07:21] Eric shoots limboony and then he points his weapon at claw claw grabs Linda and threatens to kill her but Eric shoots her himself he then chases claw and fatally wounds him uh claw warns that

[01:07:39] the Wakanda is our savages and shows him his neck brand to which kill longer shows him all of his body scars one for each kill claw tells him that the Wakanda's will see him as an

[01:07:53] outsider and a and treat him accordingly at which point Eric shows off his war dog tattoo on his lower lip claw laughs in his dying moments when he sees that his partner isn't just some crazy

[01:08:08] American before Eric puts him down for good so a few things one this situation escalated fairly quickly oh yeah there's no like back off of his real real fast gotta keep your head in the swivel

[01:08:24] the like the one up like he sees that all savages like just like you hear just like the dripping racism right and uh and then it's like the one up like hey man pops a shirt off because again

[01:08:37] it's might be Jordan and he just got in shape for Korean so why not the one thing is kind of cool the he's got like about a hundred of these little individually attached silicon

[01:08:53] which represents like the discard yeah they they have to get attached and it was like two and a half hours to apply them all has to sit and assign it take them off like

[01:09:03] so you're better you know you're definitely gonna shoot all the shirt shirt listings at the same time and for me the war dogs by the way are the we've referenced them a couple times but they are

[01:09:14] the central intelligence service of Wakanda and they are tasked not with taking over or disrupting other countries like operations but with collecting information across the globe to ensure it's safety

[01:09:26] and the war dogs tattoo that we saw we saw in Jobu have we saw in Jaka have here we saw Zuri have earlier is this interlip tattoo which is actually made out of vibranium which is given to

[01:09:43] the war dog members I the question I have and I don't know if this is a plottle where did Eric get his war dog tattoo it had to have been his dad right yeah yeah you have to imagine his dad tattoo

[01:09:55] to him at a young age or something which I mean that falls in line with some of the darker tones of like black panthers back history um would not have fit in with the tone of this movie I think

[01:10:12] to show like a 13 year old kid getting a lift tattoo um not a battle because like he was probably like eight when he his dad died yeah yeah it has to have been it which is dark for sure

[01:10:27] unless unless no because I was gonna say unless clawed it but clout didn't know he was he had it so yeah it was the only the only possible choice is just that um because you can't your outborn with it

[01:10:39] the only possible choices that it's to add to give it to him probably to enable him to better um be more accepted by Wakandan's if you will as opposed to just somebody who does not have

[01:10:52] a lip tattoo like if he didn't have that lip tattoo he would like he would not have made it past Wakabi right right so we return to Wakanda and to Chala question Zuri about his uncle in

[01:11:07] jobu and the man that to Chala encountered earlier that was wearing his grandfather's ring to Chala what happened to my uncle in jobu my father told me he disappeared there was a man today wearing a ring identical to this one and he holds up his his

[01:11:29] ring that he got from his dad Zuri that's not possible to Chala he helped claw escape from us he was wearing this ring my grandfather's ring do you not tell me what is possible tell me the truth Zuri some truths are too much to bear

[01:11:49] Chala to Chala that's not your choice to make what happened to him Zuri I promise the king to say nothing to Chala I am your king now Zuri reluctantly reveals the truth

[01:12:06] uh to Chala's uncle in jobu was sent on a war dog's assignment to America and Zuri was placed there as well to observe uh to observe and jobu fell in love with a woman and had a child over time

[01:12:19] and jobu was radicalized by the hardships that he faced we flashback to the beginning of the movie Chaka's confronting in jobu in the in the Oakland apartment building the jobu I observe for as long as I could their leaders have been assassinated their communities flooded

[01:12:40] with drugs and weapons they're overly police and un and uh overly incarcerated all over the planet are people suffer because they don't have the tools to fight back with vibranium weapons we can overthrow countries and Wakanda could rule them all the right way these two scenes are

[01:13:00] like some of the most impactful scenes in the movie right the first one where we see and we'll get into the scene with in jobu when we're starting to go the flashback but the scene before where

[01:13:16] Chala is talking to Zuri this that was the scene the ryan kogu if that was the most important scene in the whole movie and he showed an early draft of it to Francis Ford Copila and when

[01:13:26] the movie when the screening ended Copila said to quote or why did back to the scene where everything changed and Kuhu and knew exactly what he was talking about and this is the scene where

[01:13:36] he is confronting Zuri's been living like this big lie for the longest period of time and really just like changes it changes everything changes out to Chala's outlook it changes how he sees his father and narratively were right at the middle of the story like we're

[01:13:56] this is literally the midpoint of the story and so you see it's really cool the the choice to foot the switch right here and then obviously you know borrowing the overly police and incarcerated

[01:14:16] line from the same exact complaints that we're going on in 1966 when the black Panther party was formed yeah this is and and would rewatching the film like one of the one of the characters

[01:14:33] really stuck out to me was in jobu like I he was much more this scene as seen we'll see a little bit later on earlier scenes in the movie you know he represents like I he living in Oakland and

[01:14:48] he is seeing the radicalization over the over policing if you all the kind of suffering of these people that that not just in Oakland but just kind of throughout the throughout America

[01:15:00] and you know his the plan was early we see earlier in the movie the plan was to break his wife who is in jail out and that was in jobu and and Zuri we're talking the very start of the movie

[01:15:12] and you know it it in jobu's basically forming black Panther party right now absolutely so he formed so in what we see here in jobu formed a black nationalist organization and built an arsenal of Wakanda in the weaponry when to Chaka confronted him

[01:15:33] and demanded he come home to stand trial and jobu tried to pull a gun on Zuri prompting to Chaka to kill in jobu in order to save Zuri. To Chaka swore Zuri to silence over what happened

[01:15:48] to Challa asks about the boy and Zuri says that they left him there in order to maintain the lie the boy who is orphaned and abandoned in Oakland by Tachaka is jokka aka erk stevens aka

[01:16:03] killman yeah this is um that this the the interaction between to Challa and Zuri and then this flash back scene really underscores and helps to show the shift the further shift of to Challa like his

[01:16:21] is you put in orientation if you will when he says that he when he Zuri says that they left erk there in order to maintain the lie is that a lie about Wakanda or is that something else like

[01:16:35] I didn't quite understand why they couldn't I mean it's Challa's is like wrong but like why they couldn't bring the boy yeah yeah i i i i am curious because i i i i i i understood the

[01:16:50] lie to be that like whatever story they told about uh how and jobu died because obviously a member of the royal family dying that's gonna be news in Wakanda right that there's there's

[01:17:05] that's gonna get back um and so yeah i don't know because you're right it's not like an eight-year-old kid who didn't see the murder happen right it's gonna do anything to to break that lie up um so yeah

[01:17:26] i i don't know what the lie was or if it was just a rash decision yeah maybe it was just to like what do we do now this did not go quite as i had planned i also think that like there's a way in which

[01:17:37] the chaka could have just disarmed in jobu but that's we would watch and i i think i rewatched this scene and actually on my last rewatcher i noticed a lot in that one it almost feels like

[01:17:51] the the it feels like the swipe where he killed in jobu was reflexive and if you watch to chaka closely it's almost like he didn't i don't want to say accidental but it was like

[01:18:08] he's he watches face and you can see the realization hit that like i went too far this was a mistake right everything but you know it's a good thing that that that kid that eight-year-old kid he's

[01:18:25] he's just gonna go live out his life in in Oakland and you know not give any consequence never same again just kidding killmonger arrives in Wakanda with a little gift which is the dead body

[01:18:41] of ulysis claw he gives us to Wakabi and exchange for a meeting uh with tatala and the tribal elders we cut over to sure he's lab where we see effort has been completely healed unless

[01:18:56] then a day thanks to Wakanda's advanced technology sure he's standoffish referring to him as colonizer and she and he asks if he's in Wakanda and she says no tensus cracks me up it's hilarious sure he is like

[01:19:14] sure he's some solid comic relief in this movie although that diminishes her her standing at you know she's she's a very funny character I should say yeah i think um it would have been i don't know they

[01:19:26] would have i don't have a four-hour movie is quite the right length but would have liked to have had more time devoted to developing her character you know we'll see it obviously developed the next

[01:19:37] movie quite a bit but uh the thing the one thing about the lab that noticed the set design of the lab is very futuristic obviously because one of the most you know modern advanced countries in

[01:19:51] the world but also includes like stylized africans and elements that you see like on the walls and on the floors which i think is pretty cool I don't know why they let Ross regain consciousness

[01:20:02] in the country seems like you would have just sedated him and dropped him off elsewhere but yeah so quibble i mean obviously need someone to fly the drone robot uh playing in the future but anyway i knew that somebody needed to fly the the plane later so they

[01:20:19] they're welcome up he is the and he is the fourth known white man to learn of what kind of true nature so it's claw capped america back in agent Ross that's it do we know how

[01:20:34] yeah tight knit tight knit group there so Ross tears out the window of the lab um and he sees that they're underground in a huge cavern which advanced trains are worrying around

[01:20:48] he notices that these are mag love and asks about the light panels which sure he tells him our sonic stabilizers sure he in its raw form vibranium is too dangerous to be transported at

[01:21:01] that speed so i developed a way to temporarily deactivate it Ross there's vibranium on those trains sure there's vibranium all around us that's how i heal and you see these caverns and then this bluish material that's just all vibranium it's just wild yeah it is interesting to like

[01:21:19] sure he almost presents his like unaware that the rest of the world doesn't necessarily know that they have all this vibranium she's like well duh it's vibranium just it is interesting thinking about that it seems like maybe sure he doesn't know a whole lot about the outside world

[01:21:40] which is just obviously in in contrast to challa who's been out there in the world and some of the other characters who have been out there doing things and knows that not everybody

[01:21:54] has vibranium like that it does make you wonder obviously that it's a I'm sure that the leaving and entering the country is strictly controlled and so you do wonder like to what extent

[01:22:07] people have any outside experience or perspective of the world outside of what kind of I'm sure she certainly does but it is your you are right she does strike seams i don't know if i don't

[01:22:21] think it's nine of it hey she just but she definitely seems surprised like vibranium it's everywhere and it's a little surprising that she would you know think that like other you know that that would

[01:22:31] be such a huge surprise yeah i think i think everything the the feeling that I got from the movie is information floats into Wakanda right so she references vines there's references to

[01:22:48] back to the future there's there's hip hop music playing in her like in her lab there's a lot of like things that are seeming to float into Wakanda but i do think like flowing out of Wakanda is a little bit more controlled i'm gonna say hey there