Puny Pod | Phase 3 Episode 1 - Captain America: Civil War

[00:00:00] Welcome to Puny Pod the podcast who won't be uncorrecteristically non-hyperverbal today. Welcome to Puny Pod everyone! We are the Marvel fandom podcast where we rewatch the MCU in release order

[00:00:36] and we cover Marvel news on our monthly fugal episodes. I'm Ryan, and my co-host who has definitely seen that really old movie Empire Strikes Back is David! How are we doing this morning?

[00:00:50] 1980, and we have been in Spencermore, get tickets to go see the premier and Samson's go live show with us. Yes, I have seen a person. I'm doing well. How are you, my man?

[00:00:59] I am, I am doing alright. I am doing alright for our listeners both David and I are fighting off cold so if we sound a little bit wonky, I apologize but here we are.

[00:01:14] So David, I wanted to ask you so in this movie we bring back a whole bunch of catch phrases so I guess I should say we're covering Captain America Civil War this week

[00:01:28] but we bring back three at least three distinct catch phrases for different characters in this movie. So we bring back Tony and his allusions to eggs and breaking them, which I think he has used in all of his movies he's appeared in so far.

[00:01:49] We bring back Rodi's boom! And then we bring back Cap and of course his I can do this all day. Which is the best catch phrase that's used in this movie?

[00:02:02] I think that I can do this all day the most iconic one and you see it in this movie, see it past movies, see it in future movies

[00:02:09] but I also think it's a little bit like Rodi's boom. I love the idea of done, she feels like his highlight clip is just the same boom over and over again at the MCU. How about you?

[00:02:21] Yeah, I mean it's funny because I didn't realize and tell this watch through for this show that Tony and his obsession with eggs and breaking them and making omelets was a thing

[00:02:34] until like watching him in this closest succession I was like oh yeah, no he says that literally every time to the point where Ultron says it in age of Ultron because he's based on Tony. That's too funny.

[00:02:48] Yeah, I hadn't even in age of Ultron, like Rodi's boom is just so sad right? Yeah, and the party. He drops it again, gets the big hit.

[00:03:01] I mean in hindsight now that I'm looking at your list, the eggs and breakability, yeah, pops in my mind got to make it on, got to break two eggs right?

[00:03:11] Well as I mentioned we are covering Captain America civil war this month so I am going to break it over to David. Wow, to give us the production details. Captain America civil war released May 6th, 2016 is the sequel to Captain America one soldier.

[00:03:34] It is the first installment of phase three we just finished up with phase two and starting phase three it is MCMovie number 13. Two hours twenty seven minutes and this run time is the longest today in the MCU.

[00:03:47] Of the production notes of things I want to kind of chat about a little bit at the beginning is we have a character spy man who appears.

[00:03:55] So we famously said and everyone knows it's not within the MC Marvel's category catalog of characters that they can you know, I learned bring to the screen. So just as a reminder how he got here.

[00:04:08] The 90s Marvel was on the verge of bankruptcy they filed in 96 so they weren't in a position to position and power of the movie characters so they sold off screen rights to various characters from very low prices to stay afloat.

[00:04:23] So 1994 Fox care the rights of the X men for one million dollars. There's no zeros after that it's just one million dollars. Yeah, it all secured the rights to a daredevil electro the fantastic four four two point six million dollars.

[00:04:41] It's lead this to 1999 Sony offers marvel ten million dollars plus five percent of movie gross plus fifty percent of toy sales for the spider-man movie rights.

[00:04:52] Marvel countered by offering the rights to every remaining character had other than the X men in fantastic for that they could not license and Sony turned it down. And Sony executive yearland out famously said quote nobody gives a shit about the other Marvel characters and to quote.

[00:05:11] Oh, that one will not that quote does not age well so 2002 to 2007 you've got the Sam Ramey trilogy with helping acquire. The they reboot in 2012 with amazing spider-man the spider-man movie starting earnings to quenchily less money we go from like.

[00:05:34] Spider-man three which cranks at eight hundred ninety four million dollars to two hundred and six seven hundred sixty million four amazing spider-man.

[00:05:41] And then for amazing spider-man two seven hundred nine million so marvel approached Sony about a collaboration Kevin five new Amy Pascal who is a Sony pictures executive producer. And they collaborated for many years in the past and so they had a pretty healthy working relationship.

[00:05:55] So and this is why five you told that they a third quote amazing spider-man movie that would have been the see to amazing spider-man two wouldn't work fighting spying that Sony should let marvel do the film without without.

[00:06:09] Without Disney purchasing the rights of there's no transfer rights he said the only. The only.

[00:06:14] The only way I know how to do anything is to just do it in tablets so why not let us do it just think of don't think of as as two studios no change of hands of rights.

[00:06:22] No change of hands of money just engage us to produce it and we've seen this before prior distribution deals with paramount for like iron man aren't into.

[00:06:31] For first of and with universal for the whole and it's seen pretty reasonable like you think about it like okay don't think of us as like transferring a pack we're just going to make the movie for you. I'll figure out how to split all the money.

[00:06:44] Pascal responded by throwing a sandwich at him and totally into quote get the f out of here but she eventually realized that five piece of pitch made sense and by the fist by the memory we're going to get them anything new and so need just.

[00:06:55] You know with some exceptions just can't figure it out so they quickly struck a deal after everyone's favorite executive i.e.

[00:07:03] Pro-mutter backed off his ridiculous demand that marvel gets half the profit of any spider-man movie so the characters are cast marvel would keep all profits from civil or produce the next re-spider-man movies which Sony would distribute and then Sony would go on to make it though in spider-man universe films like then into the spider-verse and all that stuff Adam web anyone.

[00:07:24] Pascal was soon fired after Sony Wikileaks in former production company but she was she had such a great work in relation to finding that she was listed as co-producer on the marble spider-man films.

[00:07:36] In the last time that it happened was like ironman and crap a Hulk and then we see the casting mark had the time Kevin vibe you this is you can imagine this has been going on for like over a decade.

[00:07:47] Kevin fight he walks into the writer's room and to inform that they could use the spider-man in his film and help in the room the writer and door and he just makes the iconic spider-man hand sign and then leaves without saying or.

[00:08:02] So signaling that they had they had scared the right so the financials for this movie. The budget for the Captain America movies would go up quite a bit each year with each movie so first of Andrew's 140 million. Civil War attempt 250 million the opening weekend.

[00:08:22] 181 million domestic rose 400 and eight million worldwide gross 1.15 billion dollars so we went from three hundred seventy million dollars in first of venture to 1.15 billion dollars for civil war. Yeah, yeah that's quite a bit so and it was the number one movie in 2016 ahead of row one.

[00:08:42] Which I love and find going both work billion dollar films and it is number eight marble movie of all time in terms of gross. Pine Iron Man 3 and ahead of spider-man, far from home critics loved it audience loved it Ryan loved it.

[00:08:56] I loved it pretty scores 90% audience 89% directed by Anthony Russo Joe Russo who did the last Captain America.

[00:09:06] When our soldier Joe Russo cited the movie seven and far go as influences on the film screenplay by Marcus and McFeely based on the comics by Joe signed a Jack Kirby who are less we're getting writing credits.

[00:09:21] So you know and what's kind of cool that in the TV shows we'd again to set her out where Captain America or Bucky Barnes appears they get the writing credits of creation credits which is kind of cool.

[00:09:32] The cast similar cast as we have seen before a couple things to note there are obviously some new folks in this one. This is the seventh appearance for Robert Denny Jr. as Tony Stark Iron Man.

[00:09:45] Every phase then see starts with a film that features Tony Stark is one of the main characters so we have Iron Man Iron Man 3 and Civil War. And it's the first time in the MCU where he does not receive top billing because it is Captain America's film.

[00:09:58] New characters, new actors we see appearing Chadwick Boseman as to Chalobot Panther Tom Holland as Peter Parker Spider-Man Martin Freeman as effort Ross John Kenny as Kenna is to Chaka Hope Davis as Howard Stark's wife and Alfred Woodard as Marion.

[00:10:19] The movie has three Oscar winners. Can you name any of the Oscars? I will buy you lunch if you get the third one. Well I think so Robert Denny Jr. I believe has a Oscar for I want to say the pianist.

[00:10:40] Okay. So Boseman, Chadwick Boseman, Don Chil, Robert and Jr. Jeremy Renner who I forgot, heard locker.

[00:10:46] Scott J. Hansen at Alphiwether were all Oscar nominees. Oscar winners, William Hurt, Marissa Tomay and Jim Rash in his cameo is the Dean of MIT who co-wrote the screenplay for the descendants which is a little trivia thing that you would I mean we could have you could do give us a whole I&TV page and black that had been guess number 60.

[00:11:07] So yeah as far as casting goes, Chadwick Boseman was who they wanted for to Chalobot. He had it was we talked about before he auditioned for Drax but instead of you know instead of playing in his kind of slightly goofy comic relief Chadwick Boseman brought a tragedy dignity to his audition and that made him run for that character.

[00:11:31] So from the book, Rayne of Marvel Studios by John Robbins and Sarah Hallie Finn who was the casting director for all these films with exceptional one.

[00:11:41] He says quote in different projects of Marvel we've had very extensive searches will see literally thousands of people for a role but what he came to casting by the Panther is unanimous.

[00:11:50] We were all in absolute agreement immediately that he was the person to play the part. My team at Marvel has seen his body of work and it was ability channel this kind of dignity, this grace, this elegance, this regalness with humility and humor and intelligence.

[00:12:04] And he was originally being a much smaller role but they weren't sure that they were going to get Spider-Man so they wrote him with this much larger role and then when Marvel got permission they were just like okay well we're just gonna have with this big part and we'll get Spider-Man as well.

[00:12:20] So real quick other actors that were considered so for Spider-Man Ace of Butterfield, Matt Lens, Charlie Row, KJB but we're also considered but evidently in the reading the reading that he did with Robert Denny Jean and which I believe is the one way he does in his bedroom in the middle of the film like he knocks it out of the park Robert Denny, Jr. is basically like this is Peter Parker.

[00:12:46] General Ross so William hurt was questionable as to whether he wanted to reprise the role and Brian Kranston was considered. Ernie Hudson was considered for Chaka and Alfred Woodard was recommended by Robert Denny Jean and the Casper for learning of her casting stuff.

[00:13:06] So I think it's kind of funny so Alfred what else are you working on? I'm not that much. I'm just playing this character in this kind of Harlem comic book. Oh okay cool cool I'm heard of it.

[00:13:22] I'm really on I'm in was supposed to have a much smaller role in moving in fact Marvel CEO, I pro-mutter, planned to have him written out entirely because of the much. But Kevin Vyg persuaded pro-mutter to accept Robert Denny Jean or his deal to take less money.

[00:13:40] I mean the cast Nick Fury was supposed to be in it. Sam and Jack's pretty bummed to discover he wasn't in the film but he wouldn't really fit anywhere right? Yeah, he did.

[00:13:49] Thor was not I mean Hulk's not in it red Hulk's not in it. Daredevil was in an early draft he's not in it.

[00:13:56] Was hope and down was going to become the wasp in an earlier draft she's not in it's Captain Marvel was going to be in it when introduced Captain Marvel in the new vendors and then it would have.

[00:14:06] Which has been too much to you know it's like having too much dessert like that's a tuning new characters. Yeah, I mean it was the cast of characters we had was bordering on where it could have ended up bloated but it didn't it worked.

[00:14:24] And I think because I was doing some of that research too and I saw just this list of side-lying characters and it's like okay it makes sense that they got sideline.

[00:14:33] And it's what have been too much. Yeah, it would have been in the three and a half hour movie the last one they wanted to do.

[00:14:39] Marvel went and introduced the character of Captain Bretton and approached Jason Stathen by playing him and saved them left it off and said he's 47 is far too old and she cast him in my younger. Which is funny because like Robert and Junior super old.

[00:14:53] Uh, as we get into the later films I think. Mark Rufflow's like late 50s right. Yeah. So. Yep that is the background took a lot to get here for sure. Yeah, yeah took a lot to get here and it's funny. I wonder.

[00:15:18] I wonder if it was a different storyline. They were going to use wouldn't pearl mother wanted to write Iron Man out because writing Iron Man out of the civil war story would have been certainly a choice.

[00:15:31] Well, this was again, this is I think we can't remember if we talked about it on one of our priorities but originally they wanted to yeah we talked to the priorities we talked about how this friction bubbled up between FIE and the directors and the

[00:15:47] York folks and basically he wanted he, I crumunter one of the vendors to fight winter soldiers. That was going to be the plan for the movie right? Yeah.

[00:15:56] And the reason is like you know what everyone wants to say the Avengers fight the Avengers known once the see people fight the world's focus like come on now and they eventually went out.

[00:16:05] So yeah, would have been wildly different and it would have felt like Ultron like these kind of like Faceless characters you don't really know about they're not quite robots so Android is a few well, but it wouldn't I wouldn't have the same half to my opinion.

[00:16:18] All right. Well, thank you for all those production details David those you know it definitely it took us a while to get here there's a lot of ins and outs and this one's pretty crazy one for sure so that being said.

[00:16:35] Thinking towards when you saw this announced when you were getting ready to go see this one for the first time I'm guessing in theaters. What were you thinking what were you feeling prior to the release like how how put yourself in 2016 tell us how what were you thinking.

[00:16:55] And flashing back to a young lad in 2016 I remember going to the theater and this is probably the most excited I was from Marvel movie today.

[00:17:05] I love the Avengers it was one of my favorite comic books growing up I was excited to see new characters and I was excited to see the team as a team I didn't you know I remember.

[00:17:16] The time thinking that it was going to have a different tone and had different directors and so the I wasn't familiar with comic book storyline at the time, but I was I knew a little bit about the background behind it and so I was really looking forward to that kind of in how squabbling that you oftentimes see in the ventures.

[00:17:35] And just on the screen and it fulfilled for sure how about you same I was so excited and like it was funny in your production details mostly because this movie didn't make it into the top three of the year.

[00:17:50] But released alongside this was Batman versus Superman, Don of Justice it was released in March of 2016.

[00:18:00] So it was kind of interesting that on both sides of the comic book coin we were having this like in house fight and and every so often the movies align that way where it's like.

[00:18:14] And I was like a full on like versus type of thing released within a year and so. I remember I saw both in the theaters and Batman versus Superman was not good that movie was rough to say the least. And so I was like nervous I was like.

[00:18:39] Can Hollywood just not figure out how to make superheroes fight spoiler alert they did figure out how to make superheroes fight and make it enjoyable here in Captain America Civil War.

[00:18:51] I'm sorry with the comic book shop as per usual. I think this one was one of the first ones I may have gone up to shayan Wyoming for I think get this point my buddy was running the shop up in shayan so I think I went up there.

[00:19:10] But yeah definitely was very excited for this one. Remember seeing the rumors of spider man that was never confirmed before the movie if I remember right he wasn't in any of the trailers correct it was not an announced thing but it was like. Hey, have you guys here.

[00:19:30] You guys here they're talking about the rights. Do you guys here? So really excited to see him make his way in there. Plus all the build up to black Panther that we already had and then that starts to pay off here.

[00:19:46] Yeah, I was I was hype for sure. Yeah, yeah they even even sell that Superman Batman versus Superman we still made eight hundred seventy something million dollars so.

[00:19:59] Even if you make bad one you could still make a ton of money but yeah like you I think spider man was was admitted from from all the the press stuff the trailers and so forth.

[00:20:10] He was going to appear at the end of winter soldier when they were kind of previewing the next Avengers but obviously didn't make it in at the time. Yeah. And then so then moving forward to now this month as you went back to rewatch this movie.

[00:20:29] Like what were you thinking what how are you feeling going into this one?

[00:20:34] My main thing I think I was approaching it was from the lens of how does this look in light of end game civil in finnir war right how does if I'm watching what are effectively I mean this is really an Avengers movie.

[00:20:50] If I'm watching these like how does it tell those overall story arcs it takes a while to get that right like we're not we're not there for quite a few more movies and so I really wanted to see like the divisions between team cap and team iron man yeah that plays out.

[00:21:06] I wanted to see just the kind of like the group dynamics you know upon rewatch you start to see the wand at vision relationship a little bit more and just kind of reminded about that.

[00:21:18] And and like I said looking really kind of looking forward to like also nerdy on some of the details. Yeah. For sure for sure yeah I was I was really looking forward to getting back to this one.

[00:21:31] Um as a iron man fan I'm nervous every time iron man is in a. Concentral position you should be. You should be. But yeah, I I really enjoy this movie. I've watched it. I watch this movie with some regularity.

[00:21:50] It's it's one of my more favorite ones so I kind of I kind of remembered the movie but it was it was cool for the context of this podcast and like thinking about hey what's been going on in the movies we've watched. Also what's been pulled forward right.

[00:22:10] Between additional TV shows that essentially were born out of this movie right the the relationships for wand division Falcon and the winner soldier. Um those those were born in this movie.

[00:22:27] And so I was not to mention and I won't get too spoilery but things from secret invasion which made me sad watching this movie. Yeah. But yeah, really really kind of cool to watch it in the context of like studying for this podcast.

[00:22:46] Yeah totally great like there is a ton in hindsight just even the interactions like you're saying like between. Falcon the winner soldier. So I'm especially you see in the TV shows absolutely.

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[00:24:16] So we will go ahead and we will get started with our scene breakdown. We're going to go through this. We'll for warning you this one could be a little bit of a long one there's a lot in this movie.

[00:24:29] So hang in there and boat and we will get through it. Don't jinx it Ryan do not jinx it. So we start off in Siberia in 1991. Hydra hydra operatives inside the Russian armed forces travel to their Siberian facility to retrieve the winter soldier from a cryogenic state.

[00:24:53] We see Hydra a hydra symbol and then a red slab with a star. Vasily Carpurov which is very hard for me to say. Others a set of trigger words that to basically reboot the winter soldier.

[00:25:09] I don't have the original Russians so I'm going to do it in English instead. But accents. Lolling roasted. That's a terrible accent. She's got keep on getting you get it by the end. Daybreak furnace nine benign homecoming one freight car.

[00:25:30] Now Ryan, do you know what all those words have in common? There words. Yep that's all I can stand up. Yeah I mean when I was looking at this there was some speculation that like homecoming in 17 or

[00:25:47] maybe there was some kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of spider man. Like hence that spider man homecoming would be coming out in 2017 but I've also seen the screenwriters came out and said no, that wasn't us like we just sounded good in Russian.

[00:26:09] So freight car probably does have something to do with the fact that the last thing that. Bucky new of himself was falling off of a freight car. Yeah yeah I tried I decided to spend too much time.

[00:26:23] I did a little reddit dive and like I'm not doing this. That's bad. I don't hate myself that much. So carpav orders the winter soldier on a mission. He's going to intercept an automobile and execute its occupancy occupants and steal something from the trunk.

[00:26:42] After the Avengers defeated Ultron Thor is in asgard. Hulk is nowhere to be found. Hawkeye is on the farm spending time with his family and Iron Man has checked out to Captain America in Black Widow. Our heading a new Avengers team Scarlet Witch vision war machine and Falcon.

[00:26:59] What if this were just the Avengers going forward? Like this is not. You know what it would be that bad like it would be a pretty fun team. I'd be a fun team. I'd pro-mutter would just be so bummed out.

[00:27:12] But that you know I've mentioned I pro-mutter too much today show let me stop right there. Yeah I would have been in much different team and I do feel like.

[00:27:20] They you kind of have to do this it does does hard to back to the comic books where the roster always changed right where you had people were gone on detail

[00:27:28] and then you just have different team ups and you also have to find the next new Avengers group right at some point time. Yeah right.

[00:27:37] Yeah at some point you're like you're not going to keep having Robert Downey Junior Iron Man be able to keep being Robert Downey Junior Iron Man. Yeah I was about to say same thing yep.

[00:27:48] Because unfortunately as much as the comic books like to operate in the I forget there's a specific name for the aging that they do and the comic books which is essentially they don't age. I really have that benefit when you're dealing with humans.

[00:28:05] No no unless you unless you use that fun little CGI that we see later in the movie just in the movie. Oh yeah I love it. Yeah yeah.

[00:28:15] Quick note on the hydra base the code to get in is 1 7 8 6 8 2 6 which if you were to put that on a phone pad that would be one stand. Yeah that's fun. I have to imagine that's a standly not. Oh, it helps out.

[00:28:37] So then from there we are in Lagos Nigeria we are in present day Scarlett Witch Captain America Black widow and the Falcon are after Brock Lum Rumlo aka cross bones.

[00:28:53] You see some cool falcons CGI stuff including his little drone that they pulled the name for the drone from the comic book series his his. His Falcon buddy that he could communicate with in the comic book was called Red Wing his drone is now called Red Wing.

[00:29:20] He's a really attractive crash is into the institute for infectious diseases Rumlo has designs to steal a biological chemical weapon.

[00:29:29] The Avengers gets pretty cool little like team up fight lots of the the double up type of stuff Scarlett Witch's throw in Captain America around and Captain America shield is getting used to bounce things off of it's pretty cool.

[00:29:49] The fight really extend until the other Avengers catch up with the group who stole the vile. And Black widow is able to secure that that vile with the help of Red Wing.

[00:30:05] I do wish I do think it would have been nice to have an actual bird. I'm not going to lie like that's a good one. That's have a little bird representation in the MCU. Come out. So meanwhile, well everybody else is chasing after the vile.

[00:30:20] Cap and Rumlo fight where cap ends up winning. Rumlo tells cap about Bucky which trips cap up which pin for later in the MCU. Cap uses this knowledge that his young self is distracted by news about but he later on in the MCU.

[00:30:45] So then Rumlo attempts to commit suicide using a bomb vest and tries to take Steve Rogers with him. Wanda contains the explosion, but throws Rumlo up in the air ends up destroying a nearby building because she can't keep control of the explosion there.

[00:31:10] Just not enhanced enough I guess. So somehow crossbones are weapons will I guess did he lose them. Yeah, he lost the one, huh? In the fight it got knocked off. Wait which fight? It'll fight between cap and Rumlo here. I think so.

[00:31:32] Yeah, because his arm weapons will be back here in a couple movies. And this is actually, this is very, very close to.

[00:31:42] But also different from the comic books of a war where in the comic books of a war, the new warriors were trying to hit they were chow they were cloud chasing. They would be the equivalent of TikTok stars today. You know it's true. Yeah, sadly yes.

[00:32:04] And they're fighting the villain nitro, nitro blows himself up, which kills 60 school children nearby. I think there was a if I remember right it was an elementary school that was nearby to the fight.

[00:32:21] I just want to I just want to give a little shout out to Frank Rillow as crossbones. He's an underrated like side character.

[00:32:29] He's he comes to just in a short period of time comes got just so such a jerk like the bucky like you know, I heard basically like like implying like hey I say boy get tortured or heard you know bad news about your boy. Ah, it's great.

[00:32:49] So then we move over to sort of a flashback why I say sort of will explain here in a second. And the third year is it's Christmas at the start we see we see Howard and Maria in a digitally de-aged.

[00:33:04] Robert Downey Junior as Tony it's a really good thing he had a long acting career because they had a lot to go off of for that.

[00:33:12] Oh, it just yeah I saw that and I remember seeing that the theater almost gasping because it looks like weird science, Robert and a junior. I was blown away.

[00:33:22] Yeah, they did a really really good job which is kind of funny because when we talk about him and his suit a little bit later they did not do a great job with that CGI. Um, they'd spent all the CGI money like yeah,

[00:33:37] CGI checks have been cached and the CGI team is on the external CGI team on to the next movie. Okay, we're doing we're doing a lot of the ratings we're de-aging Frodo I can't we can't spend time in this movie anymore.

[00:33:48] Yeah, so we see friction between Tony and his dad before his mom chimes in. He does miss you when you're not here and frankly you're going to miss us because this is the last time we'll all be together.

[00:34:02] You know what's going to happen say something if you don't you're granted and then we get to see an Iron Man one where he does regret that so.

[00:34:11] He did say he says to Obi stay and after his press conference when he gets back from the middle east in Iron Man one he says I never got to say bye to that.

[00:34:23] Yeah, yeah, I love real the end up to great call out because this is you really start to see.

[00:34:31] The kind of complex relationship he has with his dad right you see in this movie scene in the prayer films will certainly see it in end game right and it's really I really really that was one of the things I really jumped out of me like that little stitch together of that little relationship.

[00:34:46] Yeah, yeah that that was one where like by watching him so close together I kind of got to pick it up right where you know when you watch these movies.

[00:34:56] Five six years apart or whatever you don't always pick it up but watching him so close together it's like okay yeah that's there. And then later on when he's like his relationship his father's relationship with Steve which makes me it's just again it's a great dynamic.

[00:35:12] Yeah, for sure. So Tony limply says I love you dad before Howard and Maria head out the last time he will see them. Then Tony takes off his glasses and explains that.

[00:35:25] He's actually presenting by an early augmented retro framing aka barf technology which recreates old message or old memories. He explains to the MIT crowd that the barf technology was his six hundred and eleven million dollar therapeutic experiment aimed at clearing out traumatic memories.

[00:35:51] And somewhere off stage Jake Gillin Hall is wearing a red scarf. You guys will get that in a couple movies if you haven't seen the rest of the movies.

[00:36:04] Yeah, they just suffice to say that like Tony it is asserted in the later movie Tony actually created and stolen but.

[00:36:10] Which gets into like again I don't want to bog us down but like does get into when you start thinking about all these kind of competing technologies if you will stealing technology other ideas jealousy all that kind of stuff.

[00:36:22] I thought it was kind of you know kind of added to that kind of theme we've seen like in the last book with Hank Pym right.

[00:36:29] Yeah, for sure. Yeah it's is really interesting as you start to dive deeper just the way that they have written very subtle relationships that that are there to grab it's not like we're really stretching to find a lot of this stuff it's all there to find.

[00:36:49] And it's it's really it's just interesting. That is that once you start to dig in and find it. Um.

[00:37:01] Tony then follows up with a speech where he introduces a grant being awarded to all of his students are all the students giving them the power or giving them proper funding to move forward with their own inventions and ideas.

[00:37:16] Before leaving the stage Tony is shaken when the teleprompter makes reference to pepper as he departs the dean of MIT who also happens to be the dean of. The community college and community.

[00:37:32] The aforementioned Jim Rash asks if any portion of the great could be made available to faculty because he has an idea for a self cooking hot dog. I really like this scene. By the way, this is actually how like graduate students like MIT and faculty work.

[00:37:50] I mean they rely upon like donations to fund their projects if you will and so I just had flashbacks to like a prior job when I used to have to like negotiate with MIT.

[00:37:59] But but I did love Jim Rash who played Dean Pelton the self cooking hot dog. It's like. It's extremist right. So great. So great. So great. So in the hallway Tony is confronted by Miriam Sharp who tells him that what he did for those kids was very nice.

[00:38:33] He says that they deserved it and that it uses his conscience to which she responds. There's a correlation between generosity and guilt and money allows him to break as many eggs as he likes.

[00:38:48] She then tells him that her son Charles Spencer was killed in the battle with Ultron in Skovia. So he's taken up because when she says that she blames him and the Avengers for her son's death and not strong.

[00:39:05] So my conspiracy tin foil hat so she is an employee at the State Department human resource worker which means that. And I'm of the personal opinion that this whole story is made up and that he set that Ross set her up to do this if that makes sense.

[00:39:26] I think I really like that idea. He doesn't try to check it out. This is akin to Colson to a theory smearing blood on the Captain America cards and throw them on the table just like to like it like spur action.

[00:39:42] And if you will, I would be surprised that this was entirely set up. I can't find anything to prove that but that's my own theory.

[00:39:47] Yeah, that's an interesting thought. I mean the character that she's pulled from the comics for is like is a grieving mother who's child was in the nitro explosion.

[00:40:02] And actually in the comic book she gives Tony a her sons Iron Man action figure which talk about shredding to to like that's brutal.

[00:40:15] But it's interesting because they actually use that sentiment later on with Zemo Zemo is talking about his son being excited that he got to see the Iron Man fly through the sky.

[00:40:25] So it's kind of, it tells me that the writers paid attention to the comics and probably gave them a read. And we're picking up even some of the more subtle themes to carry through.

[00:40:40] Okay, I would like to rescind my statement that Maryb Sharp was a plant. Let's proceed. I'm kidding. So then after this confrontation we cut to Avengers HQ, Steve Rogers is watching the news about the incident in Lagos with his monkey on a unicycle sketch sitting next to him.

[00:41:02] We see a video clip of King Tachaka, the leader of Wakanda at a press conference condemning the Avengers actions. The same time, Wakanda is watching another show which is asking why a mutant I mean enhanced person can operate above international law.

[00:41:22] They talk about their failures together Steve and Wakanda talk about their failures before vision phases through the wall to tell them that Mr. Stark has arrived. I do like question half of you when one of us, we talked about this what does she mean?

[00:41:46] Like walking through walls. I think she's like dude don't like use the door. I think he because I think that's right. I have the feeling that he just like walked in and started naked.

[00:41:58] I can't it's fine if you knock and go through the door that's fine but sometimes got to change so don't be a creep.

[00:42:08] I also noticed really prevalent in Wanda's room is a lot of like hourglass shaped art and hour glasses and that sort of thing there's a ton of hour glasses around her which kind of looks a lot like

[00:42:27] some of her logos that has been used over time. She cut us in an hour glass type of logo so pretty cool little set dressing there. So Stark shows up at the Avengers compound he is brought a guest with him. Secretary of State, Fatty is Ross.

[00:42:53] Ross plays, Ross says the world is in their debt but that some of you them as vigilantes because they routinely ignore sovereign borders.

[00:43:06] He shows them videos of the events of New York, DC, Sukovia and the most recent disaster logos which by the way if you take the casualty counts from those and Adam up it's about 300 people.

[00:43:19] Yeah, not small but it's not it's you know I love how he like kind of clipped out the fight between a Hulk and a bombination Harlem right?

[00:43:30] And the way it rest, all that stuff that he caused you're like you know what we're out I'm not going to mention that one is the background right.

[00:43:40] For this reason the United Nations has decided the Avengers can no longer be allowed to operate privately as they have for the past four years and instead the Avengers will be subject to the Sukovia courts framework for the registration and deployment of enhanced individuals

[00:43:59] which was approved by 117 countries. It is interesting that he only brought one of the courts like one copy like dude you couldn't bring one for everybody but. I don't maybe it's just trying to like save the environment like doing one way slotted paper.

[00:44:23] Yeah, that tracks with his character. Yeah, that's right. Noted green person most concerned about sustainability sectors state that is Ross. The thing that kind of struck me and I and you know you will nerd out on like you know in actual treaties too much but he.

[00:44:43] Bring the accords three days before there to be signed and it is ginormous right and there is no way that thing got drafted and then approved and supported by 117 countries in a week that is not possible so.

[00:45:02] And you know and they would also kind of point out like this is kind of PBX so this is 100% a move by Ross tricked the Avengers in this signing way they're even rights and being subject to the courts as written this kind of like emotional.

[00:45:14] Here's why I got to do it here's your latest group. Don't worry what's on the fine print on page you know 344 right like just sign it as is.

[00:45:24] Yeah, well and in according to Ross what he explains is that the the Avengers will no longer operate as a private organization will be subject to United Nations panels to one control and deploy the Avengers as the panel seems fit and to.

[00:45:42] Register and regulate the rapidly growing number of enhanced individuals. The UN will be meeting in Vienna to ratify the accords so the Avengers need to discuss whether or not they agree to it. Ross states that refusing to sign the records will be seen as an act of resignation.

[00:46:03] So interesting because in this one in this movie. I guess the most important part of the the accords ends up being the like deploying right.

[00:46:19] Registring and regulating it is what it is in the comic books though that was a really big thing to the point where Peter Parker who.

[00:46:34] Famously is like one of the most close like he keeps his his identity close to his vest he works really hard to make sure that people don't know that he spider band.

[00:46:51] One of the seminal moments in the comic books is when Peter Parker D masks and says I am spider man. And so where that was the registration and the secret identity of heroes was kind of the big deal in the comic books.

[00:47:11] Here it's not been that way in the MCU nobody really has a secret identity that nobody knows.

[00:47:18] And so that just didn't matter as much in the I think that's right because in the comic books there are a lot more secret identities and Peter Parker you know cleaves his privacy secret identity close to his chest if you will.

[00:47:29] But in the MCU eight there's not that many heroes and be of the one that we have most of them their identities are kind of known right and so this movie is just it's about it's about getting the winner soldier but I do like how they kind of like we'd that in a little bit.

[00:47:44] Sure. Alright this brings us to Cleveland, Ohio aka Washington DC in the winter soldier never gonna let that go. I'm never gonna let that go.

[00:47:56] We see Vasily Carpoth he's the former Shidder agent we saw earlier in the film overseeing the winter soldier product and project and he is now in hiding and there's a commotion outside you know a man has hit his car he's knocking on the door.

[00:48:13] And it is helmet Zemo Zemo found carpoth location as result of the hydrophiles which black widow released in Captain America the winter soldier.

[00:48:22] I have a hard time believing that the files just said hey here's Vasily Carpoth's address in Cleveland it probably had stuff he had to like decode or decrypt but found him so.

[00:48:36] Nimo knocks out Carpoth ties him up upside down and then Zemo goes John Wick on the on the wall with the sledgehammer and inside he finds a metal bin with a hydrologo.

[00:48:48] A file folder with the name Vasily Carpoth and a very familiar looking notebook with a they star on the front. Zemo asked Carpoth for information regarding the mission report December 16 1991 will probably hear that four more times during the movie that which involves the winter soldier.

[00:49:06] Carpoth refuses to see mo kills and by drowning in upside down in water which seems like an awful way to go that is a brutal death like yeah. Yeah I'm getting water boarded and I'm upside down.

[00:49:19] Not cool bro. We traveled to the Avengers they are divided over and debating the Accords before Vision says he has an equation. Vision says quote in the eight years since Mr. Stark announced himself as Iron Man the number of known enhanced persons as grown exponentially.

[00:49:37] During the same period a number of potentially world ending events has risen at a commensurate rate. Steve says are you saying it's our fault? Vision says I'm saying there may be a causality.

[00:49:47] Our very strength invites challenge, challenge, vides, conflict and conflict breeds catastrophe oversight is not an idea that could be demissed dismissed out of hand.

[00:49:59] In the right before that scene it's kind of a fun way to line Robert Denny and Gener shows up at Tony Stark shows up and he's complaining because somebody put coffee grounds in the garbage disposal again. The question I have for you who do you think did that?

[00:50:14] I'm going to say Wanda I think it was Wanda. Okay, it's good call. Just like in it like not knowing any better. I like it. I like it. I could see Vision doing the same thing but he doesn't drink a lot of coffee.

[00:50:32] I think Wanda is the best choice. You can just imagine it's something just being so embarrassed. Oh man, it was me. Put it in the green bin. Maybe it was Rody just like. His little anti-defines is little little glimmer of anti-establishment. I'd be great.

[00:50:55] So there are two sides. Tony gives an emotional speech about Mary and Son, Charles Spencer, Tony supports government oversight and he feels guilty for his role in creating Ultron and the devastation of Ultron caused.

[00:51:07] He also feels that the Avengers need to take more responsibility for the consequences of their actions. Similar to what Stark discovered in the first Iron Man movie when he found out Stark Industries was shipping weapons to the 10 rings.

[00:51:21] On the other side, you have Steve Rogers who was opposed to the Accords. Steve points out that the UN is run by people with agendas and he is worried the Avengers may be compromised if it falls under the control of a nefarious third party such as Hydra.

[00:51:35] Tony says, when I realize what my weapons are capable of in the wrong hands, I shut it down. Stop manufacturing. Steve says, Tony, you chose that. If we sign this, we surrender our right to choose.

[00:51:47] What if this panel says it's a summer where we don't think we should go? What if there's someone? What if there is something? What if there's somewhere we need to go and then won't let us do it?

[00:51:57] We may not be perfect, but the safest hands are still our own. Tony says, if we don't do this now, it's going to be done to us later. That's the fact this won't be great. So, you know, early on they just lay the stakes.

[00:52:09] It's team cap. It is team Iron Man. During the debate about the chords, Rodgers receives a text that Peggy Carter has passed away in her sleep and he abruptly leaves for her funeral in London. Steve serves as a Paul Barron in 10th of the ceremony with Sam.

[00:52:25] While there, Sharon Carter lives a Yulogy and Steve learns that Sharon Carter was Peggy's great niece. So, they've been pinned that for a little bit later on. The subject of the Yulogy is about how one should never back down from what they believe in.

[00:52:38] And so, this basically four to five Steve's resolve not to sign the chords. He talks to the Tasha who tells him the Tony, Rodie and Vision have all signed the chords. Clint is retired and wanted it is TBD.

[00:52:50] She tells Steve that there's a jet flying to Vienna to sign the chords. Steve tells her that he can't sign them. And then Natasha, manifest her inner hot. So, what I know. There's an interesting moment here. Steve's like, then what are you doing here?

[00:53:11] Natasha says, I don't want you to be alone. Give me a hug. Question half of you is, have they been romantically involved? Because that jumped off the page of like, it's going to fly to London just like that could be a telephone call. Yeah.

[00:53:29] I mean, yeah, I think we talked about this a little bit in Winter's older. I think there's something there and I think there was something there. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I can't it like it's I mean, despite the fact that it's both hideous.

[00:53:47] You can imagine that their common disfigurement would attract each other instead of repel each other. But anyway, so we cut to Vienna. The news are being reported about the chords.

[00:53:56] We see Prince to Chala for the very first time talking to Tasha before they are joined by his father to Chaka. I will pause for a second on rewatch. You asked what I was looking for. I was looking forward to the scene.

[00:54:10] And I got goosebumps when I saw it. I was listening. Oh my god. She apologizes. And Natasha apologizes for the events of Lagos and then leaves as the assembly begins to assemble.

[00:54:22] To Chaka says for a man who just bruised with diplomacy diplomacy, you're getting quite good at it. And to Chala says, I'm happy father. To Chala is delivering a speech, Edmonishing the misuse of Ibrainium, which was used to create

[00:54:34] Ultron and talking about the people who were killed in Nigeria as part of a good will mission from a country. Too long in the shadows and suddenly a terrorist bomb explodes at the UN, which kills Tachaka who dies in his sons, arms.

[00:54:48] So very kind of moving scene quickly sets the stage for Tachala who will be seen rise to the run of King later on the movie. I do think as a side note, we will talk about in future movies.

[00:55:02] Remember this moment from Tachaka giving the speech about people too far in the shadows and talking about the poor people in Nigeria. Kind of see how later movie sounds like a little bit of a hypocrite, but a pit in that one for later.

[00:55:16] We see a quick cutscene involving Stephen Sharon who are reminiscing about Peggy. Steve says, did Peggy know you were spying on me? Sharon says, she kept so many secrets.

[00:55:26] I didn't want her to have one from you and then BuzzCamp, BuzzCill Sam shows up, tells some of you and bombing and that scene is over. So we see news report, you know, can be easily shown surveillance video, which is, you know,

[00:55:41] popped on the screen pretty quickly, which reveals the suspect is changed. You can't in Barnes, aka the winner, soldier, aka Steve Rogers best friend.

[00:55:50] See, I agent Sharon Carter springs an action while Natasha expresses her condolences to Chala who has his father's blood splattered on his face and clothes on rewatch. I was like, oh man, I forgot. Like that's so vivid and real at the moment.

[00:56:06] He has this speech retalcer that death is not the end and what kind of culture. And Natasha says, it sounds very peaceful to Chala says, my father's hot, so I am not my father. Natasha says to Chala, task force will decide who brings in Barnes.

[00:56:24] To Chala says, don't bother Mr. Romanoff, I'll kill him myself. And when watching the scene, when he was talking about death and it's not the end and what kind of call I like. I tear it up. Like thinking about his pat, oh my God, it was so emotional.

[00:56:39] Like just the one scene, one of the scenes that so jumped out of me when I watched it for the, you know, umpteenth time. We Steve causing Natasha to see how she is, she tells him not to get involved otherwise he may get arrested.

[00:56:54] Steve tells Natasha he's going to bring in Barnes because quote, I'm the one least likely to die trying. Steve and Sam decide to go by and Ross is back and bring in Barnes as themselves and receives a tip and a file folder from Sharon Carter.

[00:57:07] And my question for you is like, I realize it is just a plot point, but I cannot quite figure aging Carter's motives here like.

[00:57:18] Is she is she just trying to hold like the ethos of her great aunt talks about like fighting no matter what does she, she like one of the other you know, she like.

[00:57:30] Yeah Steve like a hey I'm a good soldier but I also see that this is wrong. Like what did you think her motives were? Yeah it's it's really interesting so. And I should mention to I meant to mention this and forgot it earlier, but.

[00:57:46] The speech that she gives at her great aunt's funeral is a paraphrased version of the same speech that Captain America gives to Spider-Man in the comic books. Which actually kind of plays in here because I think.

[00:58:05] I think Sharon Carter is I think she's she's like team cap in the way that like. She knows that that's actually how the world's going to move forward better is is what Captain America represents.

[00:58:23] She's also very much this political spy who who will kind of weasel her way through things we see her a lot through the rest of the MCU that.

[00:58:32] She kind of uses the power structures that exist to get things done and so I kind of think that in this moment.

[00:58:43] It's kind of giving Steve and his team that that leg up because she knows that's how things are going to get done that's how thing going to succeed but she also then has to go back to her day job.

[00:58:57] To keep things running on both sides of the coin I guess would you describe her as a broker of that power dynamic. Hey yo.

[00:59:07] Yeah, and I thought this is like a scene you raise a really put this is seen that could be seen it viewed in a few different ways like one that she has kind of altruistic approach.

[00:59:18] But to kind of known who she is and the like you're saying in the comics and then the MCU. Maybe an alter motive which might see later on.

[00:59:28] For sure for sure so then we cut over to Bucharest and we see a brief scene of Zemo practicing Russian the Russian code words to trigger the winter soldier before we cut to. Bucky Barnes shopping for produce at the farmer's market he's actually testing the plums with his.

[00:59:55] Vibranym arm which is really interesting because why would they have given it like sensitivity so that you could test the. Rhypedness of fruit but you know here we are.

[01:00:10] You know terrorism makes you hungry so he spotted by a local merchant that sees his name and photo are on the newspaper. Steve is dressed as Captain America and finds Bucky in his apartment.

[01:00:25] Steve wants to make sure that he's bucky and not the winter soldier and he asks him if he recognizes him. Bucky says you're Steve I read about you in the museum. Sam is on comms warning Steve about German agents closing in.

[01:00:40] Bucky denies being in Vienna and Steve tries to get him to surrender without a fight. Bucky it always ends in a fight. There's a fantastic fight sequence throughout the apartment and it is a really good one I mean we see like team like.

[01:00:58] Police getting tossed down stairwells and jumping from roof to roof it's fantastic. Bucky escapes by jumping from the patio to another building dropping down five stories where he crash rolls onto a rooftop he recaptures his bag.

[01:01:16] And then he encounters to Chala in his super hero form the black Panther. Cap and Falcon are cap Falcon and the police join what is an amazing orchestrated chase sequence in traffic. Barnes is ultimately captured with the help of the iron patriot.

[01:01:39] Steve Sam and Chala are arrested for obstruction of justice. This fight scene is incredibly good. It's really good. It's really good. The soundscape of black Panther. So I I caught this now but when black Panthers running you hear nothing.

[01:02:02] When Steve and Bucky are running you hear their thudding footsteps. And it's really good. It's really good. It's really really good. Yeah this is a great scene on on rewatch. I was reminded how much I enjoyed this sequence.

[01:02:30] And you know if we ever had any doubt that Bucky was experiments at on I mean we knew who's the winner soldier. We know that you know he's part of an experiment and now but it just confirms that he was.

[01:02:40] Zola experimented on him in first venture, which is how he probably survived the fall off the train right. Yeah. Yeah. Oh and all the fight the the other stunt that's really cool here is the bucky stealing the motorcycle like he.

[01:02:58] There's like a motorcycle coming sideways at Bucky and he like whips it around and gets it under him. So I what I've I've read that that was not CGI and that was a practical effect and I watched that like five or six times and it blows me away.

[01:03:15] That's amazing. Look so badass. It's so cool. One of the things I really like in this movie. When we see this because it's the first we see Black Panther right is it's a pretty smart way to introduce him because people.

[01:03:37] Let's be honest people at the time might have dismissed Black superhero movie so when it came time for Black Panther he's already an established character he's a star in this movie he like he's his charisma is off the charts.

[01:03:51] So it was less risk of being passed over as a comic book hero and so probably helped to alleviate studio concerns that having like an on my lead or a cast which is majority non white would be successful at the box office because well alert Black Panther made it boat 10 a cash.

[01:04:10] Yeah. I think I think like making him an integral part of the universe before giving him his own. His own movie was so it's it's definitely a way to say suck it I like Pearl Mudder. But yeah.

[01:04:31] Do we need to I promutter drop like I like guys we like it that guy and we get that guy in the show and he is he's got to finish. I mean he's trying to get back in with Disney. Oh God bless that anyway.

[01:04:47] Back at Avengers HQ vision is cooking for Wanda to lift her spirits vision tells Wanda that no one dislikes her. It's just because they're a make-dala causes them to be afraid of her. He's not afraid of her because his amygdala is synthetic.

[01:05:03] His brain is also incapable of making good paper cash apparently. Or smelling or tasting or eating can eat it. I accept so many questions like can he can eat can he can eat right?

[01:05:16] I think so he says he hasn't eaten much I think is what his line says and I don't think he says he's never eaten so that would imply at least some eating.

[01:05:26] I like that she goes over and she blows on it like a top there's like no steam rising off like what. Anyway sorry I digress.

[01:05:35] So he talks about the mind stone which is part of him and which gave Wanda her abilities but he doesn't know what it is vision wants to understand it so he can control it.

[01:05:47] Wanda tries to go to the store to get proper ingredients but vision stops her it's clear to her now that she's unable to leave.

[01:05:56] She says that she can take care of herself but vision says Mr. Stark is worried about the safety of others she asks what do you want. He says for people to see you as ideal.

[01:06:08] How sweet that her chapter is in what is a hell of a relationship say if you just like,

[01:06:19] You know when you have that argument with someone you just have he vision just pulls this line out like kind of like turned it around like I love you for you.

[01:06:29] Anyway, this is funny moment like I you know and we do this is one of the things we talked about before we'll talk about the future.

[01:06:37] This kind of growing relationship between Wanda and vision I don't know that they ever 100% like nail it but at least you see some interaction and so it is in the surprise when you see them more romantically involved in the future. For sure for sure.

[01:06:53] So then we cut over to Berlin where Barnes is being transported in a maximum security van in sell D23 ding ding ding Disney. Well, cap Falcon and Black Panther are in another bay and Sam says so you like cats. Sam. Dude dude shows up dressed as a cat.

[01:07:20] You don't want to know more Steve your suit it's my brainiam to Chala.

[01:07:25] The Black Panther has been a protector of Wakanda for generations a mantle passed from warrior to warrior and now because your friend murdered my father I also wear the mansion of King so I ask you both as a warrior and King.

[01:07:40] How long do you think you can keep your friends safe from me? Yeah, prepare. Prepare all. Yeah, they great I love Sam it's great. See you like cats. So dumb.

[01:07:55] Sam has like Sam has this like great subtle comedy throughout this whole movie that like doesn't just track from the gravitas of any one scene right like there like what Chala says there is is very like hard hitting.

[01:08:13] And and like Sam Sam just delivers his lines in such a good way and we'll see a little bit later on with the scene in the beetle and that's sort of stuff where. Oh, great yeah it's it's just so good.

[01:08:26] So see Steve Sam and Tchala arrive in their city clothes and are met by agent Carter and ever Ross aka billbow bagans.

[01:08:38] Deputy Task Force commander he has seized their weapons and takes them to meet Natasha and Tony who is doing damage control and promises secretary Ross that there will be consequences. Caps shield and Sam's wings our government property and are confiscated though they do get a receipt for it.

[01:08:59] Gotta keep the receipt. We see a van arrived at the Berlin facility where Barnes is being held Tony shows off the pens which FDR used to sign the Lennon lease bill in 1941. Steve suggests that signing the bill actually brought the country closer to war.

[01:09:21] Tony argues that Steve wouldn't be here if it wasn't for those pens and the bill they signed. As an olive branch and Steve says pepper or is pepper here I don't see her. Tony we're taking a break it's nobody's fault except for contract negotiations.

[01:09:40] Steve I'm so sorry Tony I didn't know. Tony a few years ago almost lost her so I trashed all my suits and then we had to mop up hydra and then oldron my fault.

[01:09:54] And then and then and I never stopped because the truth is I don't want to stop. I don't want to lose her. I thought maybe the accords could split the difference. Okay I want to pause here for a second a couple things.

[01:10:10] When I rewatch this scene like Tony Stark comes out as master this is the first of what we'll see is a few master manipulation moments in this movie.

[01:10:21] Like to whip out the pens that were signed in 1941 something it's Steve remembers really well because this was the land lease act of 41 was enabled land war supplies. Stay nation deemed vital to the defense the United States so you know he's going to be sympathetic to that.

[01:10:36] And then the part he quickly says I was my fault on all tron that he says that very quickly when he reads it.

[01:10:45] And then he thought that the accords will quote split the difference so part of me is just like so you can't even make up with your girlfriend so you're going to drag in the accords to kind of quote split the difference.

[01:10:57] This comment of just like why can't you just admit you're wrong right like good right. Because talking about you know we're taking rate it's nobody's fault you know it's 100% Tony's fault. Right right.

[01:11:11] Like he's just like you know it's no one's fault, but hey I thought these accords bring us back together. But yeah.

[01:11:17] For sure for sure and I will say in this scene this is where like the continuation of this scene really is where we start to I feel like I feel like the the right answer somewhere in the middle as with a lot of these civil war type of things where like everybody loses.

[01:11:38] And and Tony. Tony almost has Steve over on his side right up until the wand is internment comes up.

[01:11:51] So the conversation from here turns this objective Howard Stark and Steve's relationship Tony admits to hating Steve and wanting to punch him in his perfect teeth which I almost used for one of our intro quotes.

[01:12:08] Tony almost has Steve convinced to sign the accords once we put out the PR fire we can always amend it in the future.

[01:12:17] In tell he learned and tell Steve learns of wanders in house internment at this point negotiations break down Steve goes to watch bucky being interviewed by who we didn't realize was the moment until we realized it was email.

[01:12:33] He was disguised as a UN psychiatrist agent Carter presses a button to enable Steve to hear Zemos interrogation.

[01:12:47] Steve questions the tasks force motivation to immediately release the photo of Bucky at the scene of the bombing they realized that it would flush out barns but who would want to find it.

[01:13:01] I thought that the I thought in the scene that the use of the word internment was very pointed right and very like like Steve specifically used a he's not you know standard house arrest she's not under like.

[01:13:14] Containment she is under in internment and so I think at that point time like he snaps out of it realizes that we can't we can't give up that power the government is not always right. Yeah, and that's and that's where like I will say for.

[01:13:31] As the iron man Apologist in the room. I do think that like Tony's point of like look we're just going to this is just to put out the fire and then we will we have a seat at the table essentially from there and we can we can.

[01:13:48] I'm trying influence the decisions that are made you know he he has some points there there is a there is a point where it's like hey if we're at the table at least it's better than. Running from. Control you know right right now.

[01:14:08] At a power grid station outside the city a box sent by barren's email containing an e-bomb explodes. The explosion shuts down the electricity to the entire city including the cameras and computers that were monitoring barns.

[01:14:25] released by Zemo who uses hydros trigger words to send him on a rampage. Zemo asks for a mission report December 16th 1991. Rogers and Wilson intervene just as barns is escaping containment. Falcon gets worked by the winters soldiers so he.

[01:14:43] Choose it or so he goes to chase Zemo who is attempting to flee the facility. Rogers fights. Bucky and attempts to calm him down Tony with the help of one of Iron Man's. Repulsor gotlets agent Carter Black Widow and Chala each joined the fight.

[01:15:06] Yeah I like I did like the one thing in the scene that kind of I that was kind of fun the moment where like the Tosh tells Bucky you could at least recognize me.

[01:15:14] And in the MCU she talks about being shot by him while on a mission while he's trying to kill her. And but they also have relationship with the comic books that those kind of like a fun fun moment.

[01:15:26] Yeah yeah for sure and that's yeah there there's definitely a close tie between those two. The other thing I noticed in this fight is there's a scene where to Chala's fighting Bucky and he goes to like.

[01:15:41] Elbow is elbow the inside of Bucky's elbow like to dislocate it or something like that. And he can't obviously because it's the vibranium arm. At first glance this probably just feels like probably just looks like to Chala going why the hell can't I dislocate this.

[01:16:02] But then when you were thinking about it that like a bad guy who has been a bad guy since at least the 90s if not earlier than that. Who's kind of renowned for being the winter soldier right the winter soldier we've established has been.

[01:16:20] Has been active and is known as this bad guy. The world in a massive chunk of vibranium attached to him. And to Chala can feel that in his hand right he's holding this arm and he goes. He has to be thinking like oh crap this is by brain.

[01:16:40] In the hands of a bad guy who's been around for a long time it's not just old tron who we just saw powering up through vibranium it's like a.

[01:16:48] It's kind of like tonies realization of like my weapons can fall in the wrong hands right very similar like oh are vibranium from a condacon end up in all his right and we saw.

[01:17:02] You know you wonder if the you listen to the cloud who obtained vibranium that we saw used an age fall tron you wonder if that's all kind of related if you will or if they just just have lactic hearing vibranium just.

[01:17:16] Shoplift at all the time like a right like a Walmart yeah. So Zemo escapes Barnes nearly gets away in a helicopter before being caught by Steve Rogers in.

[01:17:28] The iconic bicep porn scene where Steve keeps the helicopter from flying away with his bare hands giving us a sweet gun show. Totally yeah it's this is the very iconic scene there is I guess on the set. Steve Wilson the.

[01:17:52] Mackie would like do like bicep curls before his scenes and like and Chris Evans like what are you doing is like dude I'm going to come beyond I'm going to be on screen I got pump up the guns a little bit and so this became like a thing that I think some of them dead.

[01:18:05] And I guess that Chris Evans did it beforehand and because he's straining so much in the scene. Like I don't think he did like a full biceps tear but like strained his biceps quite a bit because he's flexing really hard the whole time shut that was funny.

[01:18:19] Absolutely absolutely. So Barnes tries to introduce Steve intentionally by intentionally crashing the chopper. Bucky is trying to choke Steve through the windshield before the chopper and the two men fall into the river ultimately Steve pulls.

[01:18:38] Bucky out of the water the opposite of Bucky saving Steve in the winter soldier. Yeah a lot that was cool a lot of the nestle reversal is in there.

[01:18:50] Then we have a short cut scene of Zemo at the Berlin airport listening to what appears to be in an octuous e-mit voice mail from his wife who also happens to be at the so's wife.

[01:19:03] Before he boards the plane headed to Moscow probably for a super cool and chill because it's Moscow so it's very cold vacation. Yeah like fun yeah again you start to see you know the Zemo character like a little bit of the motivation if you will.

[01:19:23] Once you've seen them a few times it definitely all this stuff kind of makes sense but the you know early on when he's in person with psychologists you're kind of like what's going on here.

[01:19:35] So Bucky wakes up with what looks like a terrible hangover right his arm is like in this kind of huge vice so he can't get away.

[01:19:44] And this time Bucky is being detained by Steven's in Sam not the German police so after Barnes comes to his senses he tells Steve that Zemo was headed to the abandoned hydro facilidin Siberia because he's not the only winter soldier that was created.

[01:20:02] Using the serum that he stole in 1991. Yeah and in this scene there's there's kind of a little line which. It's very very unlikely that this was you this was written as a jab at DC.

[01:20:19] But it comes across as one now just the movies came out so close together there's no way they filmed it as like that idea but. Bucky says something like your mom's name is Susan or something to Sarah Sarah thank you and.

[01:20:38] Falcon goes we're just supposed to be cool because he knows your mom's name. Which.

[01:20:45] Very much ice nicker at it every time I see it because in Batman were Superman over on the DC side there's kind of this infamous very mean moment where Batman and Superman both realize that their mother's names are Martha and that that's like who. That's their connection.

[01:21:09] And so it always it's like this it wasn't not written as a dig but very much comes across as well. So we're so it's your like you view it as hey both of our mothers name Martha so we have this kind of cool bond kind of thing. Yeah.

[01:21:25] Okay. Okay.

[01:21:28] We then see the completed flashback scene from 1991 as was teased at the beginning of the movie the people who are in the car are Howard and Maria Stark and the quote something is a super soldier serum which created Captain America which created Bucky and which created five new winners soldiers in a sidebearing prison.

[01:21:51] One of them spars with and so we see the creation we want them spars with and defeat the winner soldier he is enjoying by the others to kill everyone in the prison lab.

[01:22:00] And to paraphrase Anakin Skywalker they killed them all the doctors the guards the women and the children. The couple things here a couple of the super soldiers number three is a woman by the name of actor by the name of Heidi money maker and.

[01:22:21] Aaron Tony is number four are MC stunt doubles so money maker is the double for Scarce Hanson and Tony has been the stunt double for Anthony Mackie. Chad Ruposman and my copy Jordan which I thought was kind of a cool little nod to them.

[01:22:38] Yeah, yeah that's really cool and also fun fact Heidi money makers legal last name is money maker which is very surprising. That's a great name. Well, yeah her parents are my I was like is she married to somebody that's that's a crazy name.

[01:22:54] I think this polka player name money maker. I could be wrong anyway. Yeah probably not real name. The subjects were elite hydro death squad so imagine taking a death squad then giving them all this rage serum which makes him super strong.

[01:23:12] They turn out much worse in Bucky and as we've seen the folks to take the soldiers the serum kind of it it enhanced them but also kind of sort of brings out the worst of them as well or brings out their true ethos are persona if you will.

[01:23:29] Bucky warns them that they could take down a country in a day Steve recognized the threat the office called Tony but San warms him that Steve made up believe him and then he was subject to the court. So why bother but Sam quote knows a guy which is a nice little nod back to Antman knowing your guy.

[01:23:49] Back at the joint center terrace joint counter terrace center compound secretary Ross is asking Stark where the missing fugitives are stark says that they are employing multiple tracking mechanisms and will capture him once they're found.

[01:24:02] Ross basically says Stark is an objective and tells him that special ops will bring them in and use deadly force if necessary. Stark convinces secretary Ross to give him 36 hours to bring barns, Rogers and Wilson they realize that they also need help.

[01:24:18] Natasha thinks of someone downstairs while Tony is thinking of someone in.

[01:24:25] Cut to Queens where we see Stark traveling in York City and he meets a young high school student Peter Parker Tony also meets Aunt May about whom Tony says she does not quote look like some of them.

[01:24:41] Okay and who's quote walnut date loaf is exceptional and I don't know if that's code for something but we'll leave that there.

[01:24:48] Tony calls out Peter for being spider laying slash spider boy spider man and Peter has been using his enhanced agility and strength along with his tensile webbing which he created in order to fight crime when start asked some why he's been doing this.

[01:25:05] Parker explained that he's had his power for six months. He can't use them in his day to the world like to play football reports but he wants to do his part and uses powers to help the little guy.

[01:25:14] And despite not having a driver's license Tony signs up for a quicky German adventure. There's a lot packed here. I want to touch base on just a few things one.

[01:25:27] Robert Danny Jr. and Merissa to made debated dated in the 90s and appeared in two films together so they have this there's a real natural charisma like connection to get saved between the two.

[01:25:36] So they seem very easy sometimes you see Marvel actors teamed up and you can't tell if they've even met before that shooting right.

[01:25:46] The other thing I noted was the six month comment is like a convenient way for explaining why spider man wasn't seen in the MCU as today.

[01:25:57] And then the third thing again this is bad luck number two by Tony might be number three. He is a little bit creepy.

[01:26:07] He's been stalking this new superhero this young kid deceives us on locks him in the bedroom makes kind of like gratuitous comments about his aunt that like Peter tries to push back on.

[01:26:20] The fruits of Peter as a child soldier without guardian knowledge or permission and despite the boy saying no several times and without warning a potential danger. And that is not a great luck he's like you're going to Germany like I've got tests like. Yeah, that's fair that's fair.

[01:26:38] I also like knowing Robert Downey Jr. and how much he improvises there's some part of me that wonders if he was like against the idea of Marisa Toma being at May just as Robert Downey Jr.

[01:26:52] And so he he was like she doesn't look like an aunt yeah she's not someone's aunt.

[01:26:59] So the and it was an interesting like casting a Marisa to make she had a pretty high up billing I didn't research how much she got paid for the role but you could have put anyone in the role.

[01:27:08] It's it's interesting to see worth the time in the MCU where I imagine actors want to be in the movie so off your wood or will be in a three minute scene or Marisa Toma will have a very short line which obviously.

[01:27:21] Good gets bigger in future movies so I just thought that was an interesting moment. So Steve we we cut Steve Steve believe Zemos plan is to free the other which are soldiers and at least them on the world.

[01:27:38] So Rogers asked Clint to free Wanda Barton Grease because he owes Wanda a debt because her brother Pietro sacrificed himself to save Clint's life in Sikovia that we saw in Age of Ultron. He breaks into the ventures compound and tries to convince Wanda to come with him.

[01:27:53] Clint says quote you got to help me Wanda look you want to mope you can go to high school you want to make a men's you get off your ass which is a fun kind of like.

[01:28:02] In the last in less Ultron movie where you talk about you know you want to stay in here fine but you go out there you're an adventure. And then we have a fun fight scene between vision and Hawkeye until Wanda uses her abilities to overpower vision.

[01:28:18] The you know she has this quote is a vision that's enough let him go I'm leaving and then she just basically because her powers are connected to the mind stone uses it to make them so dense and just crash through all the floors.

[01:28:31] But I do like the like the helpless fight scene between like. Basically Hawkeye who was like me and you with a bone arrow and better hand eye coordination and vision with the infinity stone like yeah. It's not gonna go out.

[01:28:45] And I think this is where we start to see also on Wanda side of this fight is where we see her true power coming through like. She she can do some language.

[01:28:54] Yeah, yeah I can't you can't you can't find or you can't stop me I can't remember what the quote is yet. And then Clint says yes, but she can. Yeah we cut to Chicala who is being escorted by the door.

[01:29:08] Malage including Io to his car as he learns a bucky has escaped there's this fun scene. This is the first appearance of the door. Malage when Wanda cautioned staying from the car and said fames quote move or you will be moved. Which is bad.

[01:29:25] So good the attes shame forms and their tracking satellites are full tracking barons just as they run into the tasha. They talk about funding barons and the tasha says she knows someone who does.

[01:29:37] So fun scene I'm you know kind of excited to see the door Malage where I forgot appear in this movie. Yeah me too when I when I saw the mockers like oh. I mean it makes sense but also.

[01:29:51] Yeah very cool very cool and very cool that they would have an actress and actor in it at the door Malage. We'll see in future movies. Meanwhile agent Carter is rendezvousing with Steve under an overpass when Steve and Sam are crammed in their low profile getaway car.

[01:30:08] Volkswagen bug circa 1968 or so maybe. And this again one of my very fun moment. Bucky says can you move your seat up Sam just says no.

[01:30:22] Sharon gives Steve his shield and Sam's quote bird costume and he warns them that they're going to come looking for her to which she says I know he leans in kisses her.

[01:30:33] Says that was late before staring in the car as Sam and Bucky watch and smile and I I've caused it a few different times and you could see the face changing at high crack up.

[01:30:43] High crack up every single time it is so funny it's so funny it's like one of the best like non verbal moments of the film I crack up every time.

[01:30:54] I would like to point out a couple things one so this is a fun old dynamic in a preview of fucking the winter soldier which I'm actually. Who hyped go back and watch. Yeah same.

[01:31:07] Another thing I would also like to congratulate Volkswagen for breaking the monopoly that Audi has on product placement in the MCU for having the first on out at car that we've seen in a very long time.

[01:31:17] Because every people putting the bill but you know, but you know, but like yeah I should have mentioned it in the in the in the freeway chasing where Bucky gets the motorcycle like so many out is like do they not have anything other than out is like.

[01:31:31] Anyway, so they drive they being Sam Bucky Steve hop in what is a very small car and drive to the leapsick. Halle German Germany airport where they meet Clint and wand up by a van.

[01:31:47] Inside the van they see we see Scott Lang who Falcon fought an ent man and whom he recruited to join the team as well. Scott is clearly struck with me to Captain America and leads to I think which might be the funniest.

[01:32:01] Interact one of the funniest interactions in the film and Scott walks up. Captain America it's an honor and he's like vigorously I'm shaking your hand to like wow this is awesome and then he turns to want me says I know you.

[01:32:14] I know you too you're great and then he size and the stairs and he kind of like grips these muscles as cheese you look. I want to say I know you do a lot of super people so thanks for thinking of me.

[01:32:27] I don't know if that was at lip I don't know if that was written that way I don't know if that was accident.

[01:32:35] Cracks me up yeah feels like a take that they like like Paul Rudd just accidentally misspoke is lying but they're like nope we're keeping it that works.

[01:32:47] Put it down put it put in print so the they try to flee Berlin and receive Siberia before Zemo does so Rogers and his team planned to take a chopper out of the country.

[01:33:00] Sirens indicate the or the airport's being evacuated you know but key you know who can who is the actor who was actually Romanian and can speak obviously other languages tells them that their port is being shut down and Steve realizes that Stark is being.

[01:33:15] Is instructing the team is behind it and instructs the team to suit up. Shut up. Shut up. Doesn't say Avengers assemble just says get put your puts your fans close on put your bird costume on.

[01:33:31] So Steve travels to the chopper alone where he is immediately confronted by Stark and Roney in their armor. He's then joined by Black Panther and Black Widow. They try to convince Steve to turn himself in along with Sam and Bucky Rogers refuses.

[01:33:58] To back down Stark grows in patient and a massive fight in suicide between the Avengers. One thing to note here is you will notice Steve has taken all the Avengers insignia off of his uniform so very much like hey look I'm not an Avengers this point.

[01:34:21] That was that I didn't sign the Accords so I am just captain America yeah that's a great catch on because on his shoulder. He would have like the Avengers logo and it stripped off right.

[01:34:36] And it's actually cool because they actually left like the indentation where would be like because it's like a 3D patch.

[01:34:42] They left kind of the indentation where you can tell that he just kind of ripped it off which good little detail good job for the super secret spoil the show will probably go into the costumes because I think.

[01:34:53] Little details like that the stuff the Black Panther costume which is both a real costume and CGI effects like the the costumes I thought it like fantastic job. Absolutely absolutely.

[01:35:07] So then after we've been mostly verbally arguing Stark yells under rules which causes spider man to web Rogers hands and steal his shield Wilson signals to Steve that he located the Quintjet who then signals to Barton to fire an arrow at the webbing.

[01:35:33] And the Batman is revealed to be hiding on caps shield and manages to surprise spider man and retake the shield. Stark turns around to the source of the arrow and locates Clint and Wanda via scan as roads announces that.

[01:35:50] Announces Wilson and Barnes position and the battle has begun. And this is really what everything's been driving to and this is why doing this with winter soldiers would have been lame.

[01:36:03] Yeah, yeah this would have I mean we probably wouldn't have the next 30 minutes of podcast content without if this was with versus winter soldiers so.

[01:36:15] In the background here during this kind of verbal argument you do see the blue family stair truck from arrested development which the resubreathers directed some episodes of so nice little nod there.

[01:36:29] Totally unnecessary but cracks me out to see it absolutely to me we didn't we didn't get the banana stand and I feel like that was that was a missed opportunity. Somebody's got to go get money there's always money in the van.

[01:36:45] So normally we don't like really dive into fight scenes you've heard us even in this one breakdown where we just like a fight scene happen however because of the nature of this one we're going to get it into it we're going to talk through it we're not going to go blow by blow but we're definitely going to talk through some of the highlights here so.

[01:37:05] Spider-Man Falcon and Bucky are fighting in a terminal spider man catches a punch from Barnes prosthetic arm which kind of shows off spider man's super human strength. Spider-Man is distracted and is tackled by Wilson.

[01:37:20] The chaseless who's before spider man maneuvers above Falcon and disables his thrusters with a web spider man quickly webs Wilson's arms to a glass barrier and asks if Wilson's wings are made of carbon fiber Wilson says I don't know if you've been in a fight.

[01:37:37] But there usually isn't this much talking before spider man swings towards Sam Barnes runs in front to absorb the hit but both fall through the glass barrier onto the floor.

[01:37:51] Below where they are quickly web by spider man before spider man can fully immobilize them with more web Wilson orders redwing to grab spider man's arm and throw him out the window. Winter soldier says you couldn't have done that earlier Falcon I hate you.

[01:38:08] It's great. This is like hinting us towards that relationship we're going to see played out way more in Falcon and Winter soldier. It also feels like to me this fight felt a little bit like the Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker movies.

[01:38:29] There was a lot of rush hour feel to this movie or to this fight scene as well.

[01:38:36] Yeah and it does this is we see Falcon lose again and my question to you I think in the notes is basically do we know that like Falcon can actually fight because he he gets worked by a brock alumna by a brock alumna and rumloin winter soldier.

[01:38:56] It's worked by Antman he gets worked by the winter soldier twice like yeah he is worth definitely that guy who's like and he keeps in over his head and most of these fights.

[01:39:09] Yeah he's definitely not the most powerful but come on man like I don't get some laser guns or something. Captain America and Tchalla are fighting Black Panther causes notable scratches on cap shield because he has vibranium claws and vibranium versus vibranium means that we can damage.

[01:39:32] Rhodes joins the fight and so to Scott Lang who gives Steve a shrunken down truck and tells him to chuck it and one of the blue particle discs.

[01:39:43] Lang through the disc in the air and Rogers did as he was instructed and the truck was filled with fuel not water like hey or like Scott Lang thought it was and it returns to regular size and blows up and slams in the roads.

[01:40:03] I just love that I see him just like man like I should have I should have looked at that one a little more close now one's on me I'll take that loss my be.

[01:40:14] Stark fires his missiles around Barton and Max Moth to force them to stop running after a brief conversation part in distracted by or distracted stark by purposefully missing. Aero shots which allowed Max Moth to drop cars from the garage on top of Stark.

[01:40:32] Steve and Scott regroup with Barton Max Moth Wilson and Barnes and sprint towards the Quinget. Vision finally arrives and stops them by firing a warning beam across the ground and tells them to surrender he's literally drawing a line in the sand here.

[01:40:53] Team Iron Man regroup as well. Cap refuses to surrender and his team begins to charge at Iron Man who also charges forward building speed until they all clash together in combat this is recreating.

[01:41:13] Comic book scene from one of the civil war issues where like you have the two sides just battle lines going super great. A couple of standout fights that kind of resolve out of this is there's bucky versus black Panther.

[01:41:36] And bucky kind of tells black Panther like look I didn't kill your dad there wasn't me. And there's also Hawkeye and Antman they use a shot that's directly from Avengers to 23 where Antman.

[01:41:56] And there's a ride on one of Hawkeye's arrows and he ends up sneaking into Iron Man suit to cause damage.

[01:42:10] This is also in here where we also get like Captain America and Peter exchanging dialogue at one point there fighting so cap and spider or in spider or fighting and cap goes you've got heart kid where you from and.

[01:42:28] Peter goes queens and cap kind of gets this like little smile like okay you know Brooklyn which is really fun it's also a direct draw from when cap met irks kind in Captain America first of injury they had the same exchange.

[01:42:50] And then bucky and Steve regroup and bucky warns him that Zemo is likely in Siberia so they need to move quickly. Rogers offers to distract vision but Wilson tells Steve that this isn't the real fight and that he needs to be there for the real one.

[01:43:11] Burton adds that they want to win some of the if they want to win some of them have to lose Sam said they'll need a big diversion if they want to enable Rogers and Barnes to escape in the quinget.

[01:43:26] So laying jumps on to Rhodes leg and turns into giant man and leads to the classic line okay tiny dude is big now which distracts everyone how did you how did you react when he saw a giant man for the first time.

[01:43:44] Oh dude it's so cool it's so cool like. Ah yeah getting to see him not only just be the little guy who goes in and causes mayhem but like this big huge. Monsterosity so.

[01:44:01] They was able to what did he say like something the effect of like I've done this once in a lab and then passed out. Yeah. And then he needs or she likes is afterwards by. He's going to slice that for us.

[01:44:16] There's also later on the comment that Tony makes like hey if anybody has any kind of secret unknown toll powers you want to like what that would be probably good time to break those out which cracks me up. Yeah.

[01:44:25] So vision sees Rogers and Barnes escape with Tachalla in pursuit and destroys a like control tower to block the entrance to the quinget anger.

[01:44:38] But one to quickly uses her powers to catch the debris and Steve and Bucky slide under after Rhodes uses a sonic cannon to knock Wanda unconscious.

[01:44:50] As they reach the quinget they encounter black widow she is accepted that Rogers won't change his mind and she decides to help him and betrays team Iron Man by using her black widows bite on to Challa.

[01:45:06] As the rest of the team are in the process of fighting giant man spider man comes up with the idea to bind his legs together with his webs all of the really old movie Empire strikes back.

[01:45:21] Lings legs are pinned and stark and Rhodes hit him high and knock him down Rogers pilots the quinget and escapes as vision flies over the recovering Wanda and they apologize for fighting. I'm sorry we fought me to Vish.

[01:45:42] The Empire's track spark is great like you know he Tony how young is this kid's I didn't carbon data him he's young.

[01:45:52] Now it could be now one of the thing I you know again if you if you look at the movie with like a darker lens on Tony's character you know bringing a 15 year old to a fight like everybody knows each other so there's a little bit as one is his little pulling of punches.

[01:46:07] I'm sorry that spider band and man I guess is you think about the only are the two are to charge the the three new characters one that yeah that he brought in like no one's going to hurt a kid right so that everyone's going to pull their punches so.

[01:46:20] Yeah. Iron Man and War Machine follow the quinget with Falcon not far behind Wilson shoots small missiles at Rhodes and Rhodes asks vision to disable Wilson's thrusters,

[01:46:36] which would allow Sam to safely glide down to earth vision aims as beam at Wilson but he dodges the beam and it hits War Machine instead. The showing is arch reactor and completely disabling the suit.

[01:46:51] Roll Rhodes plummet to earth as both Tony and Sam forget about the quinget and fly down in an effort to save roads.

[01:47:03] But they aren't fast enough and roadie crashes into the ground stark lands and tears off for these masks roads is unconscious but Friday reads his vitals and informed stark that he is still alive. Sam apologizes to Stark who is destroyed and.

[01:47:23] Tony just blast him right in the chest. How much kind of is the end of our fight here.

[01:47:30] Yeah, a couple things so in the comics no one in the in the in civil war the movie no one dies but wrote use paralyzed right in the comics the glyath characters killed when cyborg Thor go what goes out of control and the other character the dies at the end of civil war is Captain America.

[01:47:48] I thought again. You know this is kind of a it's kind of a there's a misplaced anger i think that Tony has towards Falcon he I knew he has to take it out on someone.

[01:48:00] I don't know maybe talk to boy vision you're like shot him you know who can aim who's distracted by one and like you know had his air name it's an interesting moment because I don't know if they thought. I'm guessing.

[01:48:12] As every watch that maybe like no one would think hey you're going to make this shot from the ground like. You know thousands of feet away I maybe they thought that vision was still in the air and maybe like you know 100 feet behind. Yeah.

[01:48:27] That part I thought was kind of interesting on rewatch and also one of the chances to hit him right in the arch reactor you could make that you try that a million times. Yeah.

[01:48:35] Yeah that was that was wild and that's I will say this scene one of the really cool thing soundscape wise is all the music cuts out we've been having kind of loud music throughout this fight.

[01:48:46] Yep and all the music just cuts all you hear is just the wind with like on the scenes where we're we're seeing. Rottie's vision all we're getting is just the wind. Maybe some alarms in the suit or something but and then just thought yeah. Yeah. So powerful.

[01:49:07] Yeah it's yeah and so this is a very important scene that we will see there will have wide sweeping impacts later on in the MCU so. We cut to Germany where we see Zemo who's ordering breakfast from the hotel bacon and black coffee in today.

[01:49:27] Room service arrives to the little breakfast and find the body of the actual dead UN psychiatrist. The, uh, sword who was played by Joe Russo.

[01:49:37] We cut to Steve and Bucky in the quinget Bucky asks what will happen to all of Steve's capture friends and tells them that he's not worth the hassle. Steve tries to downplays Bucky's past but Bucky says I still did it and I was like it's a very.

[01:49:54] And we see later on the fight when talk about like the this feeling of like. Um, culpability if you will even though he's under my control I still didn't I mean I've been able to resist but I have the memories right.

[01:50:06] Tony and Natasha have a tense discussion of where he calls her a double agent and she says Steve's not going to stop if you don't either. Rodie's going to be the best case scenario Tony says you let them go.

[01:50:18] Natash says we played this wrong Tony says we boy must be hard to shake the whole double agent thing huh sticks in the DNA like roof like these little moment to not yeah. Little up to Steve like okay so you really hate me cool.

[01:50:32] Say pin that for later Tony tells her that Chala told Ross what she did to help cap and Bucky escape and that they're coming for her. Natasha response I'm not the one that needs to watch their back.

[01:50:46] Um, I had this I had this moment like she you know Tony tells her that Chala is the one who's who's disclosed Ross what happened. That does not seem to me to be consistent. I actually don't believe that to be the case.

[01:51:00] I think Steve told Ross I don't there's no relationship between to Troll and Ross why would he tell him. Yeah, he to Chala's on his own vengeance revenge and tour like why would he even mess with like the US government.

[01:51:11] Yeah, that makes sense that makes that makes a lot of sense actually Tony receives information from Friday which shows that Barnes was actually framed by ZMO. Womp, womp, Tony takes a helicopter to visit team cap who being held on the top secret prison called The Rraft,

[01:51:32] which is designed to hold enhanced people Tony is warmly greeted by Secretary Ross before being greeted even more warmly by Clint. The future is his hair everybody the future is.

[01:51:43] Yeah, and by Scott Hank Penn never did say never to trust a star can he's like who are you and and then Sam in Sanchez oh you're the good cop now Tony says I'm just the guy needs nowhere to leave went.

[01:51:58] I thought I was going to have to go mark firm on my ask get information out of the end quote which I thought was kind of funny because Mark firm and although being a racist cop who was accused of supposedly planning blood evidence in the OJ Simpson case.

[01:52:13] Didn't actually beat anyone and I don't know if they meant like the cops and run a king case but anyway.

[01:52:19] So in the comics the raft is a facility where city which is part of Ryker's island it is designed to hold capture super villains it is run by shield yep so yep.

[01:52:29] And in civil war in the civil war comics they use prison 42 which is in the negative zone.

[01:52:38] Okay cool I didn't realize it on the Tony 10 so Tony 10 played to say bulls the CCTV to basically tell Sam or the audio should say to tell them he was wrong and Sam tells Tony where Steven backyard on the condition that Tony goes alone and as a friend.

[01:52:55] Tony makes his way to the hydrosaber in facility. Don't as Ironman armor all while being shadowed by Chala Tony finally meet up with Steven back you were searching facility at for Rogers and there Rogers and Steve Racken's out but I want to pause for a second the.

[01:53:11] To put him into his car and then I said he was going to be with the suit up where he pushes a button on the plane and just this finger armor like rolls up what are your thoughts it's so cool I was like it's funny because I was like, you know we've kind of lost the thread on tracking my favorite.

[01:53:29] But this one has to be up there. This one's so, so good. And this is our second to last movie with mechanical armor, which probably thanks to Antman for inspiring that. But you know, we were still on

[01:53:47] mechanical armor here and this suit up looks so cool, which for a movie where the suits, the CGI on the suits. I'm going to go on a little bit of a rant here outside of talking

[01:54:01] about this really, really cool suit up. Something that drives me nuts in the MCU. I love the MCU. Right? I have this podcast. I absolutely love the movies. But the face time for their stars that they

[01:54:18] have to put in really, really, really drives me nuts like just leave Tony's helmet on. He can talk through the helmet. We don't need to see a drop or down in junior space. And in this movie,

[01:54:31] it's especially egregious because they CGI there's several scenes where the suits CGI is just off-kilter from Tony. And it looks like he's like sitting sideways in the suit and it's just,

[01:54:46] oh, it's like you guys, oh, yeah, to do his leave the helmet up. That's all you had to do. You mean when he's fighting, you just see his face? Yeah. Like when they're having a verbal

[01:54:57] confrontation and they bring back his helmet and your scene is head and that's where stuff is. So you would prefer a pedropascal Mandalorian approach where you never see his face. And in fact,

[01:55:09] it's anyone behind the house. I mean, yeah, like you definitely need to see his face occasionally, but I don't think you need to, uh, I think that they overdue it sometimes here.

[01:55:22] I hear you. I hear you. I hear you. I did like the, I did like the, when we didn't really talk about earlier, but the little miniature armor suit up where you're like, I think you like twist his

[01:55:31] watch or something like that and you get the repulsor being on the lighting? That was cool too. That one's super cool. I like the ears like yeah, I'm not wearing the whole suit, but I'm

[01:55:38] more part of it, just in case. Just in case. So Tony detects heat signatures, looking for Zemo and what they think will be the five winner soldiers, but only finds one, which is Zemo. They discovered the other five winner soldiers have been murdered by Zemo. And it

[01:55:59] turns out he never intended to release them. He used them to bring Rogers and start to the facility. Zemo reveals that he is scovium and wants to punish the Avengers for the death of his family during

[01:56:11] Ultron's attack. And it's planned because he realizes like, they are not powerful enough to defeat you guys. My plan is to destroy the Avengers from within, quote, an empire toppled by its enemies can

[01:56:23] rise again, but one which crumbles from within, that's dead forever. So his plan was to bring them together in my mind. Again, I mentioned all the time after this has been my disbelief because I'm watching

[01:56:36] a movie with people flying and talking to you. Trees and stuff. But to think that Stark will find out the truth about Barnes, that Stark would be permitted to visit Team Cap on the raft and not get

[01:56:50] arrested, big leap. And then Sam tells Tony where Stephen Bucky are. That to me is a bit of a stretch. I mean, it's fine for purpose. It's fine. Like, it's a marvellous movie. It doesn't happen.

[01:57:03] It sounds fun. So he Zemo wants to destroy the Avengers from within. He shows Stark a security video from 1991 which reveals Barnes as the assassin who murdered Stark's parents in order to steal

[01:57:17] the super soldier serum from the car. And this leads to, I think, probably like one of the most, memorable and poignant scenes in the movie. And Tony is like, you could see Robert Dengie's face.

[01:57:34] And he is just like a combination of like anguish and anger and the therapy that he'd used through the barf machine to kind of make a men's and forgive. And it is coming out. And he said,

[01:57:46] did you know Steve said, I didn't know it was him. And Tony is not happy. He says, don't bullshit me, Rogers. Did you know? Steve says yes. And you see the look on Robert Dengie's face.

[01:57:58] There's almost like a little bit of a gas like he is completely taken a back. And I that was just a very kind of very poignant scene and also marked the point where Steve has

[01:58:12] turned. He's basically turned full Nick Fury as it relates to part like compartmentalizing and keeping secrets from people. Yeah, so that was to me like jumps out from watching it.

[01:58:27] So I know before we get too far from it, I almost forgot this part. So when we first see the dead winter soldiers, the additional dead winter soldiers, the very first one we focus on,

[01:58:38] looks just like Henry Cavill to the point where I've had the IMDB at like three times when I've watched this movie because I'm like, that's got to be him. But he's not who he was playing Superman

[01:58:49] at the time which would have been hilarious if he was just a dead winter soldier in the MCU. You know, sometimes sometimes sometimes you have that side-gay going, right? And you know, if they have the what if the winter soldiers were never killed, right? There you go. Hello.

[01:59:05] I think it just get you start, you know, he's got a little free time. So why not? The so we will we this leads to the the the climactic fight between Captain America and

[01:59:21] Bucky in Iron Man, you know, Stark is enraged and he turns on both of them. Big CGI fight ensues. Cap tries to convince Tony that it was Hydra and not Barnes was

[01:59:34] at fault. Barnes tries to flee from Tony they're going up but looks to be like some sort of silo while Steve tries to stop Tony from killing Barnes. Iron Man mainly shoots a missile and

[01:59:45] Iron Man gets buck into a headlock and asks, quote, do you even remember them? And he says, I remember all of them. What? And so for this is this yeah, and this is a moment we were just like,

[01:59:56] oh, you actually have, you know, sympathy for Tony, but you also have sympathy for Bucky, like, I have to live with this stuff. I have no control over it and because somebody utters a bunch of lines in Russian, I turn into this, you know, crazed, cyborg, you know,

[02:00:14] winner soldier killing machine. And so that's for me that I on rear watch, I was like, oh yeah, he is his, you know, you would if you were in that instance, like you would think,

[02:00:26] and this question after you because earlier there were questions about Barnes as memories, right? He doesn't remember what he did. And yet he says here, I remember all of them. And one of the

[02:00:35] questions I had was, do you think he really does or not? Because as I as I'm talking through it, it might be that he is saying this because this is what he wants. He thinks Tony wants to hear.

[02:00:47] He doesn't want to hear. I didn't know and I didn't hear anything. I remember all of them. I think I think he likely does remember and like that's that's kind of the the whole thing, right?

[02:00:58] Like they wipe it, they think in Captain America, Winter Soldier, they refer to wiping his brain, which likely is not quite so much of a wipe. And more of just like a

[02:01:12] sedation I guess is the best way to put it. And and like they yeah, I think it makes at least I like to believe that the lucky remembers all of this because I think it makes him a much more interesting

[02:01:28] character if he does. If you remember that all, yeah. But half an hour ago he's like what happened? Like remember like and so I don't know, maybe something to nerd out for the super secret

[02:01:40] and maybe it's something where he maybe it's something where the memories come back to him over time, so the longer he is outside of the control of the the winter soldier program, the more the memories come back. And so like he wasn't lying in either case.

[02:02:01] He didn't remember some of the things and now he does, right? Like the longer it goes, the more he remembers. Yeah, that's an interesting theory. I like the idea that his

[02:02:14] memory like bits and pieces of his memory over time come back. I think there was that read somewhere it was in the movie or a read offline like he has journals where he remembers. Right? Down things

[02:02:26] different sequences. We see him earlier in a Romanian market buying plums and plums are supposed to help you with memory, so it could be did it all related or it could just be the, you know,

[02:02:38] it's not new and I just like, you know, nerd to get on things that they were like, oh we didn't even know but I appreciate that extra bit of content. Speaking of nerding out,

[02:02:47] one interesting thing while they're fighting in the silo before they fall down, which we're about to get to is Tony has to like eyeball a shot. He pulls out his missiles and his targeting computers

[02:03:00] compromise. So yes, eyeball this shot to shoot the hinge of the silo door to close it. This is a subtle full circle call back to OpenIestane who had to do the same thing in Iron Man

[02:03:14] one. Tony had disabled his targeting and I think this is meant to kind of to the audience be like hey, audience look Tony is the bad guy here right? He is now doing what his villains had to do 10 years ago or whatever, you know. Tony! Right.

[02:03:33] Um, so cap intervenes the three they plummet down what looks to be a silo they land hard at the bottom and we get this cool fight scene. There's very climactic 211 fight scene. Bucky tries to crush

[02:03:50] the arc reactor but Iron Man's unit being blast off his robotic arm losing yet another left arm twice for bucky. That's a bummer that's a bummer but you figure it out and been through this before.

[02:04:05] We then I well they win a run when they're gonna run out of vibranium by any way. I mean there's a whole asteroid in Wakanda so that's a fair point and plus he ends up there anyway at the end

[02:04:15] we then get an iconic shot of Iron Man blasting Captain America's race shield which is really cool like you know they wrote that hey we're just gonna have this scene. There's no build up we're just

[02:04:26] gonna have this. Yeah, yeah. Direct pull from the comics like that's that's the cover of cap or civil war part seven. I also have so I play hero clicks which is like a pre-painted

[02:04:39] minitr's game and they released a civil war set and one of those two of those figures are an interlocking set that's Captain America and Iron Man doing this and I have that set it's really cool.

[02:04:55] At his school that's what it what who makes it what is it again? It's like a click set. What is it hero clicks hero clicks it's made by Wiz kids. It's like a

[02:05:08] so they do like comic book and generally like nerdy properties they they branch out a little bit to do like the hobbit and some other like horror type of stuff but it's it's pre-painted minis

[02:05:23] and it's it's played on a grid so like the best way I can describe it to someone is imagine like really advanced chess but like with thousands of different possible pieces instead of

[02:05:36] you know your standard chess set. That's cool yeah that's kind of fun. What you know what to talk about maybe on the be go one time talk about like or on the super secret sports talk about some of the toy stuff that

[02:05:49] you kind of find yeah sorry this has been brought to you by toy talk so we cut to zemo outside of facility he's listening to his wife's voice mail one final time and I just had a moment of like

[02:06:05] this dude must have like the best phone right like you you have coverage everywhere or he's just paying like mad roaming charges so he deletes it he has successfully he succeeded his plans of

[02:06:21] ripping apart the offenders he is joined by techala and the two discuss vengeance and the terrible things that can lead men to do. Techala has decided he will not let his desire for revenge consume him

[02:06:33] like it did nimo and the black Panther and prevents zemo from committing suicide to Chausses living mo a zemo mess that up almost for it to happen we'll also be in all the way. I do like

[02:06:48] side note Disneyland and Disney Waltz World if you want to do a finding zemo submarine ride and a fiend i am or finding name or i'm fine with either one so the living are not done with you yet

[02:07:01] and again on rewatch this was also another kind of very pointed scene of two characters both of them have had to deal with extreme personal loss both processing different ways you know one wanting to you know basically saying I want you wanting to end his life after having

[02:07:19] consumed by grief and anger you know he is succeeded in his plans and techala in this moment of like kind of like dignity saying the you know he prevents him from committing suicide by putting his

[02:07:31] you know uh vibranium uh outfit like musdling the fire the gunshot if you will. scene shifts back to the battle a bucky is down for the count it is basically Iron Man and Cap

[02:07:46] the go toototototo Iron Man is getting worked in hand hand combat because he's just that's just not as thing being where he is it's like two is disadvantage so he instructs Friday to analyze

[02:07:55] cap's fight pattern Iron Man pummel's steven appears to one Tony Steels see you to stay down to which cap responds quote I could do this all day I could do this all day I knew that little shout out to Rogers the musical folks looking up on YouTube

[02:08:17] bucky distracts Tony which allows Rogers surprise attack cap aggressively beats Iron Man first with his hands then with a shield and cap removes like starx mask and holds a shield high as if to

[02:08:30] kill start but instead just damages the arc reactor and disables the armor. Rogers begins to depart with barns and start tells of the that his shield doesn't belong to him that he's not where

[02:08:41] they have it and a dad made that and cap realizing he's no longer where they have it drops it and leaves with barns. So yeah and this this this staging will come back later in the MCU again

[02:08:56] with a different character and and that's you know I this this movie has so many pieces that get pulled forward and I think it's because it's it is such a seminal point in the MCU which

[02:09:09] we'll talk about a little bit here once we get to the importance of this movie but yeah yeah and then none of it is like you know infinity stones or other things which are going to make the way

[02:09:21] into like this big you know fight battle but these are in you and I probably can like 10 different movies or TV shows were like little different elements get stitched into which I thought was really

[02:09:32] good the the Rusus said in this last scene that Steve left to shield behind as a bitter like you know kind of are you happy now gesture not because he necessarily agreed with Tony's claims he

[02:09:43] didn't deserve it yeah that makes sense that that makes a lot of sense and that's I mean that's the theme of this movie right civil in a civil war no one wins because to win you have to

[02:09:54] kill your brother right and that we see that in real life with real life civil wars and I think that's kind of the message that that's being left here is like yeah no no one's happy no one wins

[02:10:16] so so yeah from here Xemo is under custody of Everett Ross who wonders how it feels to have his grand plan having failed Everett Ross so how does it feel to spend all that time all that effort

[02:10:30] to see it feels so spectacularly Xemo says did it but what is the the Martin Freeman his accent here is like he almost sounds like like an old gangster like please please I would like you to touch

[02:10:46] the wall like zap like that that that that the zap part is is pretty funny also I could not figure out what D I think it's 34 I couldn't figure out anything for D 34 yeah I'm not sure it's

[02:11:03] probably something you know I need to not spend more time looking for but yeah so we see Tony driving a totally normal 2006 on I mean a 2015 orange Audi R8 up to the Avengers facility we see Rhodes

[02:11:25] doing his physical training using our physical therapy using an exoskeleton frame that stark built to help Rhodes regain the use of his legs Rhodes assures him that his friend erodes the shares his friend that despite what had happened he still believes he made the right choice

[02:11:47] also for anybody caught up in the mainline MCU to date as of when we're recording this in 2024 this scene hits a whole lot different these days way different way different so um oh go ahead so as there as Tony's helping up

[02:12:11] roadie and and roadie's learning to kind of walk again for the very first time a a FedEx delivery shows up an old driver who would just stand leave arrives he says back it's Mr. Tank

[02:12:26] and cracks me up and then you know I again I'm sure that Stanley did not just wing that but it was this kind of very kind of funny moment and then you see this very kind

[02:12:41] of charismatic don't she goes like oh Mr. Tank yeah yeah this is Mr. Tank yep it's not going to go any time soon it's so good so it's good um so then the package ends up being a letter from Steve Rogers

[02:12:55] to Tony Stark at or Tony's Tank if you will um which is voiceover by Steve Rogers I know I hurt you Tony I guess I thought by not telling you about your parents I was sparing you but I can see

[02:13:12] I was really sparing myself and I'm sorry hopefully one day you can understand I wish we agreed on the accords I really do I know that you're doing what you believe in and that's all any of us can do

[02:13:26] that's all any of us should do so no matter what I promise you if you need us if you need me I'll be there and then a little flip phone is in the package with the letter

[02:13:43] I'm surprised at that point in time I was like is this an Audi flip phone because it would not have surprised me the last time well I couldn't have been an iPhone because at this point

[02:13:53] Steve's a criminal so Apple would not have allowed that no no um so as Tony reads the letter he receives an urgent call from Secretary Ross about in the escape at the raft Tony Gleefully puts him

[02:14:07] on hold so that he can watch the light flash as we had heard about earlier um and we cut to a scene where cap is about to break a Sam and the others out of the raft kind of mirroring a scene

[02:14:20] uh from earlier in the movie where uh where Steve stepped from light into shadow here he is stepping from shadow into light yeah this is a great I um the letter is very uh it's very person very

[02:14:36] poignant like and it is it is this kind of olive branch which gets extended which we don't really see amended for quite a while yeah and um it just it shows a little bit like the difference between

[02:14:51] the characters like like um you know Tony has a very difficult time admitting any kind of fault unless it's like clearly obvious like the creation of all tron and Steve here is very like hey I'm

[02:15:03] very sorry I heard you I was sparing myself um I know what you believe in while we disagree on here for you if you need anything and it just you know it kind of really does kind of underscore the

[02:15:13] friendship which we thought was lost in the uh in the prior scene yeah yeah it's it's uh it's really interesting the way that you know yeah I I don't remember what I was going to say there but yeah

[02:15:29] I do like the way this one ends it's I will say I was very disappointed that infinity war is not until the end of this year for our recording schedule um after watching this movie because man was

[02:15:44] I jazzed up to go watching for the more after this movie oh totally completely I almost put it on watch and then I'm like I got I got I got to do some work my my company's gonna fire me if I

[02:15:57] want not just can I'm not watching this work I'm not really doing that so let's move into our closing thoughts why was this movie significant David oh man there's a lot there so

[02:16:11] I it's it's significant because for a number reason so you've you've got the Russo brothers who we didn't really talk about too much other than you know we've talked about a little bit how they were

[02:16:24] community they did some rest of development their community uh directors that we will see later on discussing how the Russo brothers work and how to orchestrate what is a fairly large ensemble cast

[02:16:37] and my understanding is the way in which they work that like one of the brothers like they'll alternate between tactical and then kind of like managing the actors so you can kind of split up and

[02:16:47] you can have the same two people who are on the exact same page handling multiple things at the same time and you kind of wish Kevin Vigyke to do that with himself we really like going kind of divide

[02:16:56] conquer for you well yeah they introduce um to iconic characters in this movie in and they get enough time to shine and and again the the way in which they did the introduced Black Panther made his uh individual movie much more more palatable and would certainly

[02:17:21] resonate and you know the character coming in Spider-Man we all know like we I don't we don't need to see or at least I don't need to see like whole you know the spider being you know the

[02:17:31] right spider spider but I don't need to see that I'm good and so they don't even have to explain it and so and then you get the um and so get those two main characters kind of integrated into

[02:17:43] the Avengers right and it it's the it's the big lead up as you said like I could they could almost put all this movie right before Infinity War and Endgame and it would read as I just

[02:17:59] watch as a great three part sevenish hours of content yeah and so yeah so for me that's why it is important like they kind of redeemed themselves from the last Avengers movie phase three

[02:18:16] is a huge banger they started off on a very high level and they kind of continue with it. Yeah I agree and that's one of the things that I always I don't know that hold against this

[02:18:26] movie is necessarily the right verbiage but this is not a Captain America movie this is an Avengers movie yeah like it yes in title it's Captain America but this is not his movie.

[02:18:39] No I don't think no it's not it's not and you know even with a huge ensemble cast you're still able to to balance it in a way that everybody gets their time right and so it doesn't feel like

[02:18:56] the the the animosity between Tony and Steve that we've seen brewing in prior movies doesn't seem forced or out of the blue the one-to-vision relationship that we see kind of blue and later movies like doesn't really seem out of the blue. The the introduction to Wakanda

[02:19:17] the the the the the the you know introduction spider man in the MCU all they I mean that could this could have been like a complete mess like and with people wanting more spider man or less this

[02:19:27] but they pull it off and he right it is it is completely it's Avengers 2.5. Yeah truly truly yeah and I I would agree with all that I think that the this movie this movie I hate to use big words like

[02:19:43] saves the MCU or anything like that especially at the time they MCU wasn't going anywhere but it did it did re-sulletify the ground a little bit where phase 2 was by all accounts pretty shaky there was there was some very like divisive movies in the in phase 2

[02:20:11] the Avengers movie did not do what we were used to Avengers movies doing when I say used to literally we had one movie to go off of but here we are and so it really did kind of re-sulletify

[02:20:25] the ground and phase 3 is banger after banger like you guys are in for a really good year if you are watching along with us this year is going to be like the best year of movies to watch

[02:20:42] here while we go through phase 3 so yeah I think it it set up kind of the the the MCU to be really really good going forward and and like you said I think you know one of maybe the

[02:20:59] underappreciated if you can say anything's underappreciated about this movie because generally I think most people appreciate this movie but one of the underappreciated things is bringing those two huge characters in to Chala and Peter Parker in a really natural healthy way

[02:21:23] that like it didn't it it didn't need to be more than that and and what they did made those characters they're now I mean if Chad with both men had an opast you know we

[02:21:40] they would probably be leading the MCU at this point oh sure yeah it'd be it that was the I think that was um disgusted the time the roster was going to be Captain Marvel like Panther like

[02:21:53] the mantle was going to shift and so will he pass like thing that obviously you know kind of took things in a different direction yeah I know it the it it now can you watch this as a stand-alone

[02:22:08] and not knowing anything before after and enjoy it because I think you can yeah I think you can enjoy it just as like a big bombastic kind of actiony movie with some heart in it too right like there's obviously the heart of the of the relationships there

[02:22:28] so I think you could watch it in a vacuum you would enjoy it way less if you had no knowledge of the MCU leading up to this point the one the one criticism that gets levity against some of

[02:22:41] the Avengers films is that they leverage CGI fairly heavy and that's like one of the main benefits of the film and I'm not saying that there wasn't great CGI in the film but there seemed

[02:22:53] to be like more dialogue more character development more like this this simmering like um you know division between like the two groups if you will the the introduction or reintroduction of like you know uh I'm surprised to date Ross who's gonna play a big role

[02:23:15] um the other Ross who's the first time I was forget and um because I've some reason I think they're related in my mind and I know that they're not and so like this this movie could have been like

[02:23:29] very disjointed and I don't know that I don't know that Ross we could have necessarily pulled it off. He seemed a little overwhelmed by the end of the last one and I think the the two duos of

[02:23:41] Marcus and McPhilly and the Russo brothers like now they've got a pretty good blueprint for like how we're gonna pull off in finnry war end game right yeah yeah moving over to our

[02:23:58] MVP's so um if you guys don't know we we draft an MVP from each movie we cannot pick the same MVP twice um we did unprecedentedly in entman both picked the same MVP which is okay um although

[02:24:18] I would say it makes for boring content so we'll we try and avoid that but um but yeah so David in this movie let's see so I'm looking at your list of MVP's Rodey was in this movie so you can't pick him you picked him for Iron Man 2.

[02:24:37] um Captain America you picked for winter soldier you picked Scotland for aunt man so those three are out. I also can't pick Wanda. Did you pick Wanda somewhere? I did for Ultron. I did. Oh you did you did.

[02:25:02] This is a tough one because this could go to a number of characters because I've I've used Captain America already he probably would have been my choice but I'm going to go with to Chala I'm going to go with Chala Black Panther.

[02:25:24] His character introduction was extremely important for them so you it is um you know really huge comic book character you know we've heard talk about Wakanda, my brain am and so forth it'll take us to you know outside of New York City and outside of space as guard

[02:25:43] and I thought his character introduction, his his arc you've got to see him it is kind of kind of this very kind of angry revenge mode and now his character twists and how we will see

[02:25:59] his kind of like his character and his dignity I mean he was a huge presence in the film and it's hard for me imagine if he was not in it. It's just I know it would be like just it's just

[02:26:10] like a huge gaping hole for sure for sure I definitely agree and yeah that's a really good pick I'm gonna be honest he was floating around in my mind I tend to play the like think forward game

[02:26:23] a little bit and so I'm a little bit worried about using him now versus in his titular film but I think there's also some good other good MBPs there too. Are you um are you potentially going with

[02:26:39] Maryam Alfred Woodard because you don't see her again that's a safe one. Yeah I mean yeah she also only had one 30 seconds in the movie yeah this is tough this is tough so for my side I can't pick

[02:26:55] Tony Stark Tony Stank I can't pick Scotland nope I think I'm open the rest I don't think unless Harley appears as one of the winner's holders I think that you're safe. Yeah

[02:27:17] who are you who you are considering like. So here's some here's some considerations for me right now Baron Zimo I like Zimo in this movie he was good he was really good

[02:27:36] um Captain America obviously has a good chance here but I think I want to save him for a little bit later on I have a movie in mind for him I agree that to Charles very good but again he also has another

[02:27:53] movie later on where I think he he gets the nod yeah I'm gonna go I'm gonna go ahead can't take Spider-Man no cos Spider-Man absolutely should get it in his one of his own movies

[02:28:16] the um again I will let you I'll make a choice and I will come on. I'm I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna take Zimo and I will say when we get around watching Falcons in Winners Soldier where

[02:28:31] Zimo shows back up I won't say I want the capacity to avoid spoilers but he he's very good in that movie as well okay I like it other characters I considered I considered Falcons I like actually

[02:28:48] like I'm quite a bit in the movie yeah I thought about um Bucky Winner Soldier although he doesn't have a huge role in the film and I don't think you the one of his head selected him before

[02:29:01] I thought about um you know Nimo is Zimo as well like he's really good um yeah I think Zimo's a solid call yeah yeah Bucky Bucky would probably be my most honorable mention

[02:29:18] and mostly because I don't know that I would I don't know that I'll pick him any further down the road I can't think of like a place where he shows up as like MVP level um so you know he he did

[02:29:32] I think he was an interesting character in that like his character development in this movie was kind of forced upon him right like he was trying to figure out his life living in Romania figure

[02:29:47] out his life and then the world came to him and he very much handled it like kind of on on his heels he was very much on his heels throughout the movie and kind of like oh man this is a lot of

[02:30:00] this is happening to me but he played that very well which I really liked yep let's go call all right so then we'll move over to our ranking and overall impression of this movie

[02:30:14] um for those unfamiliar I put everything in the top third and then David ranks things in the top third middle third bottom third so we you know there's there's 30-ish projects a little bit more than

[02:30:30] that now in the MCU which does mean that we're kind of thinking of it in chunks of 10 right top 10 middle 10 bottom 10 um throughout this phase it's probably going to be coming on going joke

[02:30:42] that my top 10 is way more than top 10 um because I would say this solidly lands in the top third of the MCU overall and honestly this whole phase I'm probably gonna that's probably going to

[02:30:58] become super redundant I'm gonna sit here going it's top 10 it's top 10 it's top 10 and then we get to Guardians of Galaxy 3 or Guardians of Galaxy 2 and I'm like oh it's bottom 10 um once you're

[02:31:11] top and I think it's actually if you think about it we're probably 33 in with the marbles I think and then it's been you know Deadpool later this year we might even just be able to call like

[02:31:26] you know top 12 middle 12 bottom 12 yeah or once your 12 gets filled I'm gonna force you to like to like kick something okay let's give you like a Hall of Fame like hey you want to you

[02:31:36] want to put in you know so and so all right here's some you know you know who are you booting yeah who serves some old dead white guy from like the dead bal era they're just graphing out

[02:31:47] right yeah but but I do think this lands in top third honestly this is probably top 5 movies in the MCU um I love this one I think it's super fun it's you know it's got

[02:32:03] checks a lot of boxes for me mechanical iron man armor which is one of my favorite things gets a lot of shine in this movie big bombastic fights which I love the bib the big huge

[02:32:14] fights those are super fun lots of quicky humor which is the Rusos influence here and that's one of my favorite things about the MCU is like you can tell these serious stories but still have

[02:32:27] really really funny moments um I think that this this movie sits easily in the top third for me and I think it'll probably stick up there yeah it'll it's top third for sure

[02:32:43] like where in the top third is an interesting question I was having an internal debate myself whether this or like if I had it definitively today like how did this decide whether

[02:32:57] winner soldier this for better I would be tough now they're both so good so since winner soldier is high up for me I will put this one high up as well top third for sure and I'm I can pretty much

[02:33:07] cement that it's gonna be the top third at the end of the day yeah for sure for sure well David anything else to say on this movie before we get out of here no I this was a this is a this is a

[02:33:19] fun when I was I was actually very apt to rewatch this one you know sometimes you look at them and it's like okay Kripa Hawk cool I mean this is alright but like this is great it was great

[02:33:30] from the beginning so much so much for future from the the super secret spoiler show is going to be jam packed reference because there's so much in this movie yeah and for those who don't know what

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[02:36:23] that we were totally wrong for who we picked as an M2K tell us who's better and other than that thank y'all for listening. Cunypod will return in doctor's string all right David so we are back we have two scenes here one mid credit one post credit

[02:37:11] so first up here is the mid credit scene Barnes and Rogers are being hidden in Wakanda by Tachalla Barnes chooses to undergo a cryogenic stasis until his brainwashing can be removed or suppressed

[02:37:28] Tachalla says his father and Barnes are both victims and he wants to help them find peace Rogers warns to Challa that the government's a little world will come to Wakanda if they find out Barnes is there to which to Challa dares them to try bring it

[02:37:52] question for you is this cryocene is this what they did with Walt Disney's head and is it in Wakanda unequivocal yes okay great other little other little trivia thing these scenes were filmed

[02:38:07] when they show the the fall scenes those are the ygazoo falls in Argentina which are also the same waterfalls and sowing around the world that they have at Walt Disney land and I believe Walt Disney

[02:38:20] World yeah Disney World here in three days from recording it'll be back to that but well um oil alert uh but yeah California right now but but on a but on a substantive

[02:38:34] comment the scene is very like point it if you think of it like you have to Challa and Wakanda taking in I think his nickname is The White Wolf in later movies and who to you know kind of secure

[02:38:49] him knowing that this is going to if if found out would be like an international incident and um I just thought it was a really great scene and and and this little the other thing

[02:39:01] which I think was also significant is like here's your little preview of Wakanda kids this is what it's gonna look like and it's gonna be dope it's awesome yeah that was the one thing

[02:39:12] and I don't know about you but I caught it felt like it felt like they didn't quite know what Wakanda was going to be at this point because the aesthetics of Wakanda feel very different in the scene

[02:39:26] from where we'll see it in black Panther. I think that's I think that's a good insight I do believe that they wanted to have something and it is a bit of a place marker

[02:39:37] it probably doesn't look as rich or if you you know if we were to like a scene by scene I mean I look the same but just envisioning something with this completely different that

[02:39:47] anything we've seen before for sure for sure and then we move to a post credit scene Peter Parker is injured from the Avengers fight and explains to Aunt May that is injuries where

[02:40:00] the result of a fight with a bully named Steve you got from Brooklyn she says he hopes she hopes he got a few good licks in and Peter said that his friend was huge he leaves when May leaves Peter's room he discovers a portable holographic computer

[02:40:23] that Stark had programmed into his web shooters which projects the spider symbol the last title card reads spider man will return in 14 months odderman homecoming yeah I do also wonder what howard Stark might have programmed in there

[02:40:45] but I won't be considering how he would come off the last minute but no this is uh we knew that we knew that they were at this point time we knew they were making a spiderman movie

[02:40:55] I think at the time I felt like oh Marvel got the rights back and how high inside it's like Sony's holding onto them like grim death and we're just doing a production deal where Marvel

[02:41:08] will make the movie and Sony make a bunch money and get all the credit for it or get a lot of credit for it I should say. Sure sure. Oh man I am so excited for these next few movies

[02:41:20] here forward we've got doctor strange then spider man homecoming and this is like we are going to eat this year so I implore the listeners if you have not been watching rewatching along with us this is the time to start that habit like these are the movies

[02:41:40] you're gonna enjoy foreshare these it's so so good here for the next few months so with that being said David I think we are out of here sir. I would agree. Bye y'all. British baked. Lettergitter.