Puny Pod | Phase 2 Review

[00:00:00] Welcome to Puny Pod, the Marvel Fandom Podcast that will do it themselves. Welcome to Puny Pod, I am Ryan and my co-host as always that I don't have a quote for because we're not doing a movie is David David how are we doing this morning?

[00:00:46] I am doing very, very well. I was up early this morning to attend to before but I am pumped to talk about phase 2. How about you? I am pumped as well man.

[00:01:01] I hope everybody could hear David right there because I am playing around with new settings on the soundboard so hopefully he still came through but yeah.

[00:01:13] So yeah, today is a bit of a departure from our usual movie review episodes you are listening this is the beginning of the month. This is the first Tuesday of the month but you are not getting a movie review from us because we just finished a phase.

[00:01:28] The MCU is set up in a really convenient way for podcasters in that gives us a nice little break about every year or so where we get to watch all the other movies that we want to watch and don't have to watch movie for research here.

[00:01:49] But yeah, so at the end of each phase we like to do a little review talk through our episodes talk through the movies talk about where things land talk about the impact of the phase as a whole all that kind of good stuff.

[00:02:02] So most first Tuesdays if this is your very first episode most first Tuesdays of the month you're going to get a review of an MCU movie.

[00:02:11] I'm just going to be reading them in release order to kind of get ourselves back in that feeling of what it was like when it was released.

[00:02:20] At the end of each phase we do this this little fun episode so this is a nice let's say this is a good kickoff point like if you weren't interested really in phase one or phase two but you kind of wanted to know what we had to say about those movies without listening to two hours per movie.

[00:02:37] Our phase reviews this would be great so. We will avoid any major plot spoilers for anything after phase two so to be very clear phase two is considered through Antman so through the first Antman movie is considered phase two.

[00:03:00] I do want to give a shout out to a new review that we got on Apple so an apple podcast Marie came through with a review she said that. Sorry for the background noise y'all. We've got a little bit of some fun happening in my house here.

[00:03:20] Don't worry about that. Don't worry about cats going to hop on the podcast in any minute. So yeah Marie reviewed us on Apple she said if you like Marvel shows comics or movies this is the show for you.

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[00:06:11] Deep dives into various content that we do they do the same thing but with David Bowie. With that being said David why don't we get into the phase review you have a good amount of production information here so why don't you dive in.

[00:06:28] Sure as Ryan mentioned before we're going to be reviewing phase two phase two consists of six movies starting with Iron Man 3 which released in May 2013 Thor Dark World which is released in November 2013.

[00:06:47] Captain America the winner soldier released April 4 2014 Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 1 which is released in August 2014 Avengers age Ultron which is Ryan's favorite film May 2015 and atman debuted in July 17 2015 the last movie of phase two so from a financial perspective.

[00:07:12] We see the earnings of the films ramping up so the overall production budget and they are also spending more money to make these films so the overall production budget was $1.19 billion so there's spending almost $200 million a film and that was in part skewed because Avengers age Voltrunk cost a ton of money to make.

[00:07:36] Overall opening weekend for the entire series $698 million so they opened average was $160 per film which is huge and the overall worldwide gross.

[00:07:49] 5.26 billion averaging $877 million per film so the biggest box office earner was Avengers age Voltrunk is the fifth ranked in the movie of all time terms of earnings coming in second was Iron Man 3 7th.

[00:08:07] The both of those films made over a billion dollars Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was with I now right like 5th and 7th. We've already seen actually when you count in Iron Man I'm them in the Avengers we see three of the top.

[00:08:21] Three of the top seven films wow yeah spoiler a lot of them have the word Avengers in the title. The most of them do.

[00:08:32] When our soldier was fourth in the phase dark world was fifth and then Antman surprisingly was sixth even though it was not in a say the worst film was one of the lowest.

[00:08:44] The owners of the the of the phase so overall like I said we've seen you know they are they're figuring how to crank these films out pretty quickly doing about two a year and I figure out where to place them on the calendar how to you know how to spend money in order to make a ton of money.

[00:09:06] Nice nice yeah yeah it was definitely. I think that's interesting with Antman just because like Antman has. An analog for I guess how. How popular it was like the characters were in this phase in Guardians but I feel like.

[00:09:35] The spectacle that was guardians and we'll get to it here in a second but the spectacle that was guardians just made it just that box office total blow up.

[00:09:43] Yeah I mean Antman is definitely like lower budget only they only spent 130 million dollars only only spent 130 million dollars to make it.

[00:09:52] Which in comparison is is by far the least of any of the of the films in the in the phase and so even if you look at the they made you know 518 million they still had a very good return.

[00:10:05] And again the other thing we'll talk about a little bit like each one of these films. I'll feel different all feel separate all feel like you know a separate comic book titled the jer reading so. Yeah absolutely absolutely.

[00:10:21] All right David well do should we jump into each of the movies and talk about them a little bit. We were going to limit these to an hour and a half each folks so. Get your mirror and I was ready because I got mine ready to go.

[00:10:35] I'm okay. I need to get that a little quicker but here we are. Um. So yeah. We do have starting off the phase as we mentioned Iron Man 3 released May 3rd of 2013. Um.

[00:11:01] The plot of this one and and I'm going to go through pretty quick plot summaries it's going to really glaze over things. We did spend if you haven't listened to them yet we did spend like two hours on each of these movies.

[00:11:16] In our main episode so go listen to those if you really want the breakdown but. Um Tony Stark faces some personal challenges as he battles some mental health challenges looks like anxiety and PTSD. After the events of the Avengers. A new threat the enigmatic Mandarin emerges.

[00:11:39] Um AK Trevor Slattery and stark in barks on a quest to confront him revealing unexpected twists and exploring starcs resilience. Um so this all this summary did also miss you know the fact that all drich killin is ultimately the big bad in this movie.

[00:11:59] It was adapted from the demon in the bottle storyline sort of it. Barrowed from extremists. So the extremist storyline was borrowed from here a little bit.

[00:12:15] Um or no Iron Man 2 was demon in the bottle. Wow. Yep. It's early folks my bad. No, this is extremist. Yep. Yep. Yeah. This is extremist. We thought a touch of some Mandarin stuff.

[00:12:27] I think this is where we get our favorite quote in the MCU about getting your beat. Right? Yeah, I just want to make sure I got that. Yeah, it was in the first scene when we were in burn in 1999. Um and well, 1999 slash 2000 because it's New Year's.

[00:12:48] And then you're a movie. This is our MCU holiday movie released in May. But no, I really like this movie. I think overall this is one of my one of the ones that I've watched the most of.

[00:13:09] There's definitely still some of that grossness that comes along with a lot of Iron Man content, which I think played out to be a pretty strong theme through phase one and phase two is just how uncomfortable and massage

[00:13:26] And mystoginistic anything involving Iron Man is all the way up through. Age of Ultron like he there's still just that level of discomfort because of some of the. The dated ways in which they treat Iron Man content.

[00:13:43] Yeah, just didn't just did an age well. I mean you can still have. You know adult humor. Soft more humor whatever but it definitely comes off. I think comes off really creepy. I don't know why.

[00:13:56] Definitely jumps off the page when we saw it and right away at the beginning of the movie. So yeah. So big pins that kind of got pulled forward from this movie. One is we saw the Mandarin, which the mandron will be back later on down the road.

[00:14:18] I think we covered the one shot here. Where it's tail to the king and so it's kind of exposed that the the real Mandarin is not thrilled with Trevor Slattery being the fake Mandarin. So we will see the real Mandarin here in a couple phases.

[00:14:39] So that that's pretty fun to see another another pin and I forgot to put this in our show notes David, but it just dawned on me. I can see how they're going to see how Harley Keener shows up later.

[00:14:52] But he does. He does. Yeah, Harley does show up and actually for those of you who are parks fans because we're on a parks network. Harley Keener shows up in the parks. So there you go. I've learned about it. Just like.

[00:15:09] Does he have to wear a name badge? This is Harley Keener. Iron Man 3 kid. I'm actually from Iron Man 3. Yeah, where are your parents? You've been just campers for six hours trying to meet people. But the other pin that I think is actually pretty significant was Iron Man.

[00:15:34] So Tony Stark gets the. The. Our character removed from his chest at the end of Iron Man 3. Which this is kind of.

[00:15:47] It's symbolic of a character change for Tony and and like he's kind of divorcing himself from Iron Man ultimately he's still Iron Man, but he's he's working. His character arc is working to move away from where he and Iron Man are one in the same and instead.

[00:16:06] Iron Man is this guy over here. It's the suit versus Tony is Tony right. And so I think that's a pretty big character change that we see carried out all the way until. And game ultimately.

[00:16:21] Yeah, he he he symbolically destroys all of his suits at the end of Iron Man 3 like you're saying. Transitioning him back to being Tony Stark and a change in his kind of you know ethos if you will. Yeah.

[00:16:37] So moving on to our second episode second movie in this phase Thor the dark world release November 18 2013 in this episode we brought our fit one of our favorite special guests all of our special guests are favorites. But we brought in Dan. He ultimately.

[00:16:59] Dan from the supreme resort and scraping the ball and Bowies, blaming. And Dan hates the Beatles. Um 35 years of the hub crawl as well. Yep. So Dan, Dan joined us for this episode.

[00:17:16] The plot of the movie real quick is Thor has to fort the dark elf Malik if who seeks to use a powerful substance called the ether to plunge.

[00:17:29] The universe into darkness to stop him Thor teams up with his estranged brother Loki navigating the realms facing personal sacrifices in a cosmic battle. Why do you do that place? I don't know it's it's fun. I you know what here. Oh no.

[00:17:49] Thor must thwart the dark elf Malikre. Who seeks to use a powerful substance called the ether. Sorry, I can't keep that up. Just movie.

[00:18:10] I was going to say just like that episode we're off the rails if I do encourage people you know who may not have listened to all the podcast like you're saying jumping for the first time.

[00:18:19] The Thor Dark World one was really fun because the movie's not great but Dan is a lot of fun.

[00:18:25] Yeah, the um so Spotify actually lets you list like a suggested starting point for a show and I set ours to be Thor Dark World because I think that if if you're going to get hooked on the show that's probably the most that's probably the best way to get in.

[00:18:42] We're movie best podcast. There you go. So the relevance of this movie real quick. I do think it tested some of the waters of like what can we do to make the MCU weird and not just these like superhero movies that are kind of your traditional superhero movie.

[00:19:08] This was you know in space, this was jumping through portals, this was visiting all nine of the nine realms. To use one of my favorite quotes from Dan. This is the type of movie that your grandma will beat you up for watching.

[00:19:25] But it did it did test out some weird waters it also did show us sort of our first infinity stone. I guess no, not first mind stone. Not first yeah mind stone we are in I guess we knew that the mind stone was there.

[00:19:47] But but yeah so it but it does it introduces them. Infinity stone in the form of the ether which is the reality stone. And I thought it was fun like this like going back and watching this movie.

[00:20:09] It's fun it's not like it's not a bad movie in the sense that. Like so Valerian in the city of a thousand planets that is a bad movie to me in that that movie just. It is not enjoyable for dark world is at least enjoyable.

[00:20:28] Yeah, no I'm with you like Thor Dark World and rewatch it's better than I had remembered it and I think she's I think maybe he was Dan it's it's just sometimes people just like the.

[00:20:41] Really vote down or shout down particular movies because it's kind of like oh that's the cool thing to do you know yeah. Yeah I definitely agree I think there's like there's this tendency within the Marvel fandom especially where.

[00:20:57] You have to find the one you hate right you have to find the movie you hate and Thor Dark World ends up picking up that role pretty often.

[00:21:07] Yeah and it unfortunate and I think I think to your earlier point I think we've now seen this is the first time we've seen the ether. We've also seen the power stone right and we've seen the tesseract which had the space stone.

[00:21:23] And then Loki sector had the mind so I think I have those all correct. Yeah and just they're kind of sprinkled throughout you know we see the various points and we will definitely see them again is. It become a fun little collectors item.

[00:21:38] Hey yeah, so our next next movie in the phase is Captain America though winter soldier. Steve Rogers aka Captain America discovers a conspiracy within shield which we affectionately call Shydra as he contends with the enigmatic winter soldier.

[00:22:00] In web of espionage Rogers allies with the black widow and the Falcon. To expose the truth leading to a thrilling exploration of trust and loyalty. So I think this movie this movie was the first unqualified banger of the phase I think. Yep yep.

[00:22:28] So this was like if you think of it in the time right so this is April 4th 2014 when this comes out. So that means in 2012 you had Avengers come out in May and then in 2013 you had two. Okay movies right okay ish movies come out.

[00:22:51] I would say I don't want to say divisive but like there are people who like Thor Dark World and there are people who like Iron Man 3 but not everybody does.

[00:23:03] And so those movies kind of came out they were you know qualified success obviously we just talked through it none of these movies flopped. And then Captain America Winter Soldier comes out and it kind of gets everybody back to where it's like okay cool marvel can be successful.

[00:23:29] If this is ringing any bells for anybody or if anybody is feeling deja vu of what's going on literally right now in the MCU as we speak. It is.

[00:23:42] Well this and this is when they found again in this film this is where they found the Russo brothers right as directors and McFeely and Chris from Marcus those as on the screenplay and they would go on to do and game. Civil war.

[00:24:02] And like they just need to they need to find that same talent yeah and I think again the significance of this show I mean it's extremely well done it's one of my favorites.

[00:24:17] The action scenes the fight some of my favorite fight scenes hand in hand combat fight scenes are in this movie and really really really really well done. Absolutely and I think this movie also introduced the idea of like.

[00:24:36] Hey, this isn't your average superhero movie like they kept moving away from the formulaic superhero movies of the 80s and 90s and like this was a spy thriller by most means with some superheroes in it.

[00:24:53] Which was really cool because finally that worked right so realistically Iron Man 3 was kind of a. silly dark action comedy attempt in in superheroes. So those.

[00:25:13] Thor Dark World was probably the most traditional superhero movie when you think about it but it went to space and some of that stuff it was a little bit more sci-fi than the superhero.

[00:25:25] And then you have Captain America Winter Soldier which is a spy thriller it fits that genre really well while having a superhero setting I would say.

[00:25:37] Yeah, so looking at story beats that carry on from this one obviously the dismantling of higher of shield hydra, Shidra is a huge one. She'll falling apart falling to Hydra all that that's a huge thing that will have ramifications all the way until end game and beyond actually.

[00:26:05] Yep.

[00:26:08] We also saw what will become a little bit of a pin and not to spoil too much but there's a lot of discussion around who Peggy Carter's husband is we do see Peggy Carter in this and who's her husband right who's the man that's not in the pictures.

[00:26:28] Which you can see. Yeah.

[00:26:33] And the last one that I the last pin that I do want to mention here is we did have a character a very important character two very important characters actually come in through this movie so Sam who's the Falcon Sam Wilson he he's going to be a pretty big player in the MCU going forward as well as obviously the titular winter soldier so.

[00:26:57] Honestly without the winter soldier we probably don't have a phase three like. The plot of civil war which we're about to review all kind of. Pivots around the winter soldier. Yeah, so this this was a big like set everything else up type of movie yep yep.

[00:27:20] Yeah, the the other thing I think you you hit upon it the really good casting for winter soldier Falcon. You know. Rebuilding a little bit the writing for the black widow character right which today that she'd been just kind of like an object more than a person to.

[00:27:42] Yeah. Yeah, Sarah Halley fell in fin shots out because she was still doing all the casting here in phase two and I know you. You mentioned her in the phase one you took her as your off screen MVP.

[00:27:59] I think she she kept cooking she kept doing a great job here in phase two. Yeah, yeah, I mean they they I think we talked about it on a previous podcast I don't think there've been any major. Things after.

[00:28:16] The Hulk right well majors of funding word to use with that okay, yeah, but. Sorry bad joke. Wow. Moving right along. Guardians of the galaxy volume one was our next entry in the MCU really stockest first of 2014.

[00:28:41] We had a special guest here we brought in Rob from the Bay of the milk podcast because this movie.

[00:28:50] I've been on record, I think I said it in the episode if not I should have this movie more than any other gave me the feeling of the Star Wars movie the first time that I watched it. So love this movie real quick plot summary.

[00:29:09] A group of intergalactic misfits star lord Gamora, Drax, Rocket and group come together to prevent the powerful.

[00:29:19] The powerful orb from falling in the hands of the villain Ron in the accuser directed by James gun this film contributes humor music and action well showcasing a formation of an unlikely family of heroes. So this movie.

[00:29:39] It went to space and it worked right where Thor Dark World didn't necessarily ubiquitously work. This one did and this this one was a risk right Guardians of the galaxy was not on the top of anybody's comic book list.

[00:29:59] People read it and people liked it but like it wasn't you know I would say that there was not they were not a top five teams in the Marvel world and none of these heroes I would say probably crack the top. 15 individual heroes in comic books.

[00:30:26] So it was a risk. But it paid off it was this really great soundtrack James gun famously wrote the soundtrack into the script and forced Marvel and Disney's hand in getting going out and getting the rights to all these songs so they could fit the the. movie.

[00:30:50] Including a moonage space dream which we learned if you want to learn what a pink monkey lizard is go listen to bowies playing parental guidance on that one.

[00:31:03] But yeah I mean this did not tie into the earthbound MCU all that much it it introduced us to the concept of the infinity stones confirmed what were infinity stones through kind of a cutscene but other than that there just there wasn't a whole lot of tie into the earthbound there was not this is the first movie they made without any of the adventure characters and if you would told.

[00:31:33] And you're all me that hey there's going to be this thing called the Marvel studios in the future and they're going to make a bunch of movies first of all been ecstatic and then if you said I'm going to get a garden to the galaxy movie for an Xman movie I would have pulled my hair out like.

[00:31:51] Yeah, yeah we are 40 years later well well and to be fair let's let's put ourselves in 2014 shoes we are as as Xman fans in 2014 we are still getting some pretty good content right we're that's in the heart of the first class run and and all that where.

[00:32:11] We are getting some of those better some of the the Fox reboot Xman movies I'll take it like don't get me wrong that some of the sex women films are actually very enjoyable and yeah it's the Xman it's like I kind of you know even if they're not great just to see the characters.

[00:32:30] Anyway, I won't I won't find too much more. Yeah, yeah but but you know things and like you said this is they went to space they made space opera that was very successful.

[00:32:45] This is a big risk you've seen other you know whether it's the order of world whether you want to say something like.

[00:32:52] Green lantern what do you want to say something like John Carter those were both stinkers and did not do well and the fact that they pulled it off and James gun got to make a James gun movie and you know this and some of the other and we'll kind of get into a little bit you know.

[00:33:10] Show's like some of the challenges they they but they empowered the director the empower the Russo brothers and powered.

[00:33:17] James gun they pushing back the creative committee to like really let them do their thing and it's showed like the movies is much better than had it been like they take notes from.

[00:33:29] Yeah, absolutely and that's the the other thing that this kicked off was a was the I believe this is the most ubiquitous. The longest run for a single actor with a single character which is group voiced by Vin Diesel Intel.

[00:33:51] What if season two that just released here in 2023 and December of 2023. Whether it was a video game a offshoot cartoon a theme park ride movie.

[00:34:07] Vin Diesel voiced group which granted it saying I am group but still he was ubiquitously grew no matter what the project was from 2014 until what if season two here in 2023.

[00:34:26] So pretty crazy run there I know you said a lot but here's I knew you've said it many times but now then and you just say it like you're on a theme park ride okay now I need to this no I'm just kidding.

[00:34:38] Yeah, that's an amazing started in know that I know he voiced all. Yeah, it's it's pretty crazy and he's done multiple languages to it can be in good or may I'm a group whatever he's he's done.

[00:34:55] He's done he's done it in multiple languages he I mean it's Vin Diesel the dude's kind of famously an obnoxious nerd in a lot of ways.

[00:35:06] Yeah, that's fired. Oh, I love Vin Diesel I have I have St Vincent hanging up in my garage I have an autograph picture of him as Dom Toretto hanging up in my garage but.

[00:35:19] No, he's kind of famously he's he's like that he's the kid who who was a nerd in high school and then got yoked through college. And now he's just kind of the obnoxious like really strong halfway bolliation or guy. But that's just kind of who he is.

[00:35:46] Moving on to other halfway bolliation or guys I don't know that was a terrible transition. We had a vendor stage full tron released on May 1st 2015 the Avengers led by Tony Stark inadvertently create artificial intelligence old tron.

[00:36:05] Who becomes a formidable enemy seeking human extinction the team faces internal conflicts and new additions in clue introducing the powerful wander and Pietro maximum. As they strive to prevent Ultron's catastrophic plans. I can't I can't pass the voice I don't know I don't know what it is.

[00:36:29] So it's I think it's the way that I wrote these. It's okay say that I can't say that I wrote these these summaries I it's the way that chat GPT gave voice to these these summaries. They're just so radioe and so scoofy.

[00:36:48] But relevance going forward with this one. I think this was like hey in Avengers movie doesn't have to be the full stop right and in the moment we did not appreciate it for what it was.

[00:37:06] We talked about this a lot in that movie or in that review where.

[00:37:11] We were expecting this big crescendo phase one was this big crescendo Avengers was amazing and it was the it was kind of the full stop right it was the period at the end of the sentence of the phase and. Ultron wasn't really that Ultron was.

[00:37:28] Hey, let's set up the next phase and and by this point we had started thinking that the MCU is going to be a little bit longer term it was going to be a little bit bigger and so.

[00:37:42] In the moment it did not feel good right ageable trying did not feel good and we talked about how there's this big change in the way that you enjoy it today versus the way we enjoyed it in 2015. I think that is significant with this movie.

[00:38:01] Obviously, brought in Wanda which Wanda is a is a very important character throughout the rest of the MCU. Brought in and killed Pietro but here we are. Yeah I'd say that um.

[00:38:14] You know this this movie feels a little bit to me like a cash grab only in the sense that we know it's going to make a ton of money because Avengers is in the title.

[00:38:25] But it was really like you could tell that there was discontent behind the scenes, you know we didn't talk about like how it was just a horrible experience and he was supposed to be this are for phase three and he just he laughed and handed it over to the Russo brothers who kind of.

[00:38:42] You know head up the Avengers movies but I just found it like and this was also. Building a crescendo of conflict between director and the creative committee and you know you could you could sense that you could feel in the movie.

[00:39:00] You know Rob Dungeon or sort of simply content if you remember him's worth was unhappy with his role.

[00:39:07] You know it just it just no one seemed really not really seem to be having a lot of fun except for Hawkeye like he seemed you know after it which is kind of ironic because um you know the first time around you know jam around was not happy in the first Avengers and so he.

[00:39:27] And he was mine if I remember correctly. Yeah he he definitely had a lot more fun. It also did give us you know Steve Rogers ripping a log into so you know there's there's some value in this movie.

[00:39:44] But outside of that things that got pulled out of this movie and keep going here we've got wanted obviously. The role of the movie is the role of the movie.

[00:39:57] So you listen to these claws is kind of a side villain here he he'll come back in the MCU. The team is starting to to show its fractures right the the team is starting to fall apart a little bit and here in civil war.

[00:40:10] Which is our next movie we see the fall out of this one. We also get to get introduced to Natasha's tragic background the red room where she was trained and we get to see Clint you alluded to it but really.

[00:40:31] Clint Clint storyline here was so rewarding because it was it was just so good he has this secret family that you know is actually really healthy and he.

[00:40:45] Realistically Clint is a dad in this whole movie whether it's to his own children or to Avengers that he has to adopt in the middle of battle. He is he is like the quintessential dad throughout this movie.

[00:40:59] Yeah and it's funny that this scene and this is one of the scenes that the New York group wanted to cut like just because it wasn't action you're not going to sell.

[00:41:10] You know probably probably just think hey can we sell toys made out of the kids and like now we can't do that and it was basically if you want this scene and this is this was we didn't fighting you know tooth and now.

[00:41:22] If you want the scene in here you got to put in the Thor what weird war for water cave scene just. That was the trade out because I got a fine up and then he was like I'm just never doing this again. Yeah.

[00:41:35] And also we did see this is where Thanos gets off his his throne he sat on his throne for two phases so far and now he says I'll do it myself and puts on the infinity not like do it live.

[00:41:50] And then to put a great exclamation mark at the end of the phase perfect period to wrap everything up I'm kind of kidding but.

[00:42:04] And man was released July 17th 2015 and we released this episode on our pot of her series so hey that we've made it a year of making content for you all to put in your earholes. So quick break down of aunt man.

[00:42:24] So you know I got this guy Scott Lang. No, I'm just can't I cannot do the whole thing and wait is that this is Luis here. Wow. Scott Lang a skilled thief becomes the new aunt man under the guidance of former shield agent Hank Pym.

[00:42:43] May Lang must master the incredible shrinking technology and stop Pym's former protege Darren cross from using a similar technology for malicious purposes. The film combines high-stellaments with superhero action offering a lighter tone in the MCU.

[00:43:00] So yeah, I mean this movie introduced us to an OG Avengers so Avengers number one we had aunt man in the loss as part of that Avengers team in the comics right and actually Hulk was the trick villain of that that issue but.

[00:43:19] So to introduce us to aunt man and the wasp so some OG Avengers getting their their day to shine.

[00:43:26] It also kind of gave us something that's that's very traditional in comic books and I don't think I don't think I appreciated it really until I started researching for this show that this movie gave us the idea of a mantle can be passed right.

[00:43:46] Hank Pym goes I was aunt man here Scott Lang you are now aunt man and so I think that idea especially where we are now in the MCU is really, really important. We're seeing some of those mantels get passed on either through forceful or unforceful ways.

[00:44:09] And so I think that that that this kind of gave us a light introduction to the idea of like. Sometimes the hero isn't the person in the suit it is you know, the the personality that the suit develops.

[00:44:22] It's funny you're saying that on screen passing the mantel I was thinking the off screen where it went from original intent director Edgar Wright. Who for almost a decade was writing or talking to marvel that making this and then literally as filming a set to start.

[00:44:41] You know, having gotten yet more feedback we got the final script back that they wanted to interact and he's like I'm not doing this like yeah and then it spent a paid and read.

[00:44:51] Yeah, yeah, and that that was you know, I think that was one of my disappointments in the movie when I first saw it and I would still love to see the great cut someday. Like I'd love to see I get made and see what that would have been.

[00:45:05] Yeah. But in the story this also introduces us to the idea of the microverse I mean quantum realm. You can't let that go. Well, it's just so funny man the license say I will say quantum realm is a way cooler word than microverse.

[00:45:28] But the licensing things and it it's back to back movies here because we got the enhanced I mean mutants I mean enhanced Max Moft wins who totally aren't magnetos kids. But in this movie yeah we got quantum realm which is the MCU wordage for the microverse.

[00:45:53] We also got Luis's van which weirdly is the thing that carries through the most from this movie. We got we will see a character from this movie come back in quantumania and we get to see his butt.

[00:46:13] We believe and we believe people like hanging on the edge of their seats. Perfect perfect cliffhanger.

[00:46:23] And then the post the post credit scene was directed by the Russo brothers and gives us a direct tie into Captain America civil war with Bucky in this vice grip thing and talking about it. I guess he's not talking about his mother yet, but.

[00:46:41] So that those are the movies that face one audiences reacted favorably to end critics favorably to the phase and so. Phase one the average on using rotten tomatoes average ranking was 80% and here.

[00:47:01] There were pretty good there's a few that are a couple that are very top so Captain America winner soldier has 90% favorably rating and guardians of the galaxy had similarly had a 92%

[00:47:13] And man surprisingly had the third high so that it is an 86% followed by age of all trying to 83% Iron Man 3 78% and Thor Dark World at 76% for an average of 84.5% so trending up audiences were there for the weird space opera with the talking tree in the raccoon.

[00:47:35] And they like and man the you know the a character who's not like a beloved MCU superhero character. But everyone likes it, you know, a heist movie and and the winner soldier which is just a great espionage thriller superhero film.

[00:47:54] Yeah absolutely and you know what I'm going to give special shots out to what they did with him and we talked about this a lot in our episode. Hank Pim sucks like Hank Pim is a not a great character.

[00:48:09] And and would have been very difficult to translate to film and setting a whole movie around a character that comic book fans are going to generally have a negative opinion of is challenging and so the choice to use Scott laying instead was I think a really good one.

[00:48:32] And it really gave gave the opportunity for a man to be good right gave gave him and the chance to have an 86% on rotten tomatoes because I think had that been a. Hank Pim movie, I don't know that it would have done the same.

[00:48:50] Yeah unless you'd said it and it actually kind of hope this at some point in time if you had said it gone back like the 60s maybe before like some of the some of the story line that we see later on.

[00:49:00] I would I am all that was an extra one of the things you really like to like about that one X on and film the way back to the 60s I thought that was really cool. Yeah for sure.

[00:49:09] For sure. All right well David this segue is us really well into our rankings for these movies so as you guys know if you've listened to us before we rank.

[00:49:23] I think the movies in thirds right so there's 30 some odd projects in the MCU to this point which means that you know breaking it down into thirds makes it a little bit more manageable.

[00:49:39] I think that's a very good thing to do with the game kind of how we're guessing and so for during our recordings so listening back to the episodes and during our recordings.

[00:49:51] I topped a bottom here all kind of give mine and then David, I'll let you give yours. So I put Iron Man in the top third Iron Man 3 is in the top third for me.

[00:50:03] Thor the Dark World is in the bottom third you're going to notice this out of me. Yeah, there it's like I never I have no middle third to be super honest with you guys.

[00:50:15] Captain America Winter Soldier put it in the top third Guardians top third Avengers ageable Tron bottom third and then Aunt Man I put in the middle third but I did say it was probably in the upper part of the middle third.

[00:50:31] We're depending on the math maybe it leaks its way up into the top third occasionally but kind of right on that bubble. Yeah, and I think I'm ranking relatively close for me again.

[00:50:44] Top third definitely Captain America Winter Soldier guarding the galaxy volume one my middle third was Aunt Man which I like you had it kind of at the upper threshold of the middle third.

[00:51:00] Avengers age of all Tron is the middle third and then bottom third for me were Thor Dark World Iron Man 3. Yeah, that Delta between Iron Man 3 for us is interesting and we'll get to let's okay so David.

[00:51:17] We're going to put the the phase in order here first we'll get to the very silly part where we put everything that's been released so far all like 10 movies or whatever it is.

[00:51:29] We'll put those in order here in a second but before we do that let's do the six phase two movies so you've got Guardians you got Iron Man 3 Thor the Dark World. Winter Soldier Guardians Ultron and Aunt Man put them in order go. Just for this phase.

[00:51:54] Yeah, just just in between this phase. Okay, I'd say Guardians number one Winter Soldier 2 Aunt Man 3 Gap of Ender's Age of All Tron Iron Man 3 Thor Dark World. Oh that that gap is that that's cold that's some shade my guy dude.

[00:52:16] Man I we talked about it. I don't hate Iron Man 3. I just I think there is.

[00:52:21] Yeah, I think you said it well like there are movies in the MCU which particularly resonate and you know I would not say in a rational love for but just like you you favorite and there's something resonates with you and you like it for that very reason and so.

[00:52:38] It's okay to like something more than something else. You know I just like said for me that some of the stuff just did quite hold up for sure for sure.

[00:52:47] Well, I'm putting mine in order I went Guardians 1. I think we agree on that that's that's a no brainer right Guardians Guardians was the best of this phase. Two and three was a challenge for me and I I really struggled with this.

[00:53:06] I went Iron Man 3 as number two and then I went Captain America Winter Soldier and that is a very close I could you know you could we could have recorded this tomorrow and I could have put it in a different order.

[00:53:22] So very very close there and then Antman after that kind of group of two and then age of old Tron and then Thor Dark World. So we agreed that we agreed on the top and bottom everything in between is just where it got a little bit scrambly.

[00:53:39] Yeah, no yeah, but the middle and bottom third or the middle third for sure and then like I think it's really just the main differences are own personal perspective of Iron Man 3. That's it otherwise pretty much.

[00:53:51] So if you if you will apply some math to this our average as a show ranking.

[00:53:57] Go as Guardians number one Captain America Winter Soldier number two and then a tie at number three with Iron Man 3 and Antman and then age of old Tron and then Thor Dark World. Yeah, I'm joking with that. Yeah.

[00:54:15] All right David. So let's let's do this here we've got 12 movies in the MCU between phase one and phase two 12 movies we have watched we have reviewed okay. Where?

[00:54:32] So I'm trying to figure out the best way to go about this because I want to strain one through 12 of what we have. Do you want here how about I give you what your current one through six are and then you can slot things in. How about that?

[00:54:51] Sure. Let me re-arrange my. Sheet real quick. All right, so number one is Marvel's The Avengers does anything from phase one out rank the Avengers for you. Or phase two sorry phase two. Yes. Okay, what what? What are you putting above Avengers?

[00:55:18] I think I'm putting everything in my top tier phase two is better than my top tier phase one so if I were to just off the dome rank I'd five movies Iron Man.

[00:55:32] The Avengers Captain America the first Avenger Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain America the Winter Soldier. I think if I were to rank those five off the top of my head I think I would go Guardians number one. Winter Soldier two Avengers three. Who?

[00:55:51] Iron Man for first Avenger five. Okay. So you're your your flip flop and your your first Avenger and Iron Man from your old picks but you know what I I respect it. Yeah, it might even change again. It's the I really do think.

[00:56:14] We said it before Iron Man three because it was the first one because it was it was very instrumental and so much was writing on it like it's a little bit against the curve and I think I like I think I'm a little bit more.

[00:56:30] I probably like first Avenger more than most folks do. I think it's just a really good origin film and I really like to quite a bit especially. That's watch so how about how about you you in your top third you have basically everything.

[00:56:46] You have you have you only have one more film in me but you have not only two more films so you have Iron Man Avengers. Captain America first Avenger four Iron Man three Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain America the Winter Soldier.

[00:57:05] So you're here if I have this correct your first tier rank was Iron Man Avengers first Avenger and Thor. Yeah, which one of the three we do put into that top break. I'm going to put I'm putting Guardians after Iron Man.

[00:57:32] Okay, but above Avengers and then I would go Avengers and then Winter Soldier. So and then Iron Man three at the bottom of the top third. So your Iron Man one Guardians Avengers. Winter Soldier the first the first Avenger Thor and then Iron Man three. That feels right.

[00:57:58] Okay, that feels right to me. So let's go with your middle third so your middle third you have Thor, Ant Man and Agimaltron.

[00:58:06] Yeah, I'm think I'm just going to flip flop Ant Man put that at the top above Thor and then again I would I would put a gap if I mean actually.

[00:58:16] Put a gap between Ant Man and Thor and Thor and age, Voltron age, Voltron might sneak down to the bottom third for me. But that's I'm already in advance making room for things to smoothies to slide in between those. That's fair that's fair.

[00:58:35] I am going to go because you I have Iron Man two and Ant Man in the middle third is alright. Yes, that is correct. I think that's an O-Bringer Ant Man and then Iron Man two that's easy money. Yep, okay.

[00:58:51] Your bottom third right and you have the incredible Hulk Avengers age of Ultron and Thor Dark World which one is the best of the worst. Best of the worst is age of Ultron and honestly age of Ultron could sneak its way up above Iron Man two.

[00:59:12] You know, I'm actually going to say that now that technically I have Iron Man two in the middle third but I'm going to say that it's that age of Ultron is better than Iron Man two.

[00:59:24] So you're putting Iron Man two in the bottom third or you're moving Avengers they will all try into the middle third. I would say let's move Avengers age of Ultron into the middle third. This is this unprecedented we've never done this before. I know it's wild.

[00:59:38] We're doing new things we're doing it live. So yeah, and then I would say the worst of the worst.

[00:59:46] Just because something has to be the worst and this is not to say I really want to I don't think we can say this enough we say it like every episode where we're talking about something bad but something not as good I guess because I literally goes counter to what I'm about to say but incredible Hulk is the worst of the worst.

[01:00:05] However, it's not bad in the sense that like I don't sit there and watch it and go why did I spend that time doing that. It still has some enjoyment fact.

[01:00:21] Yeah, it's just a number it's something has to be last like it just didn't exactly right like it can't all be tied for first place. Yeah, those are my bottom to for me as well in that particular order. So if I'm looking at it. I am doing.

[01:00:43] In my bottom third I had the incredible Hulk Thor Dark World Ironman 2 and Ironman 3. I'm putting Ironman 3 at the top then a gap and then Ironman 2 and it really did gap. Then Thor Dark World and Incredible Hulk actually and yeah, that's that's how I'm slogging for now.

[01:01:07] So we're not too far off not too far off just a couple of the Ironman properties but that's it. Yeah, which is to be expected right I have a very very very very very soft spot for the shellhead and.

[01:01:21] Yeah, I he will always he always gets a couple of bonus points on my side so. So you have Thor above Ironman 3 and Antman. Yeah, yeah, it's I mean it is what that run I would say from Captain America first of Ender through.

[01:01:50] And man that is a that is a close bunch for me. Okay, okay, that's first Avenger since people aren't looking at our show notes right now that's first Avenger Thor.

[01:02:03] And Ironman 3 and Antman I would say that that run of four movies right there that is a very close run for me.

[01:02:12] Okay, it'll it'll I'm going to I'm going to be really interested to see how this list shakes up when we get to phase three because you have room for four more movies in your top third out of the remaining.

[01:02:26] Because we figured this probably by the time there's probably about 33 movies or so give me take so probably like groups of 11 and so you'll have four more for the next. Oh boy 20 21 movies.

[01:02:43] Oh man, well here we are. Okay, well you know what then that stuff is set in cement that's fine.

[01:02:52] So by by the time we do a secret spoiler show for this phase review I'll get the math all math and I will figure out what our correct rate is.

[01:03:05] Or maybe by the next monthly vehicle so if you guys are curious right now where we sit as far as like during recording we said that this movie would land in this third and then once we've ranked it this is the this is the actual third it lives in.

[01:03:24] Listen to the monthly vehicle I'll make sure that the math is all figured out by then and I'll put those numbers in the monthly vehicle.

[01:03:32] Yeah, we should also put it might be also interesting also to compare it to the rotten tomatoes for wars and see what they where they rank.

[01:03:40] Yeah for sure for sure and I will also say if you couldn't follow along with all of our rankings and all that stuff.

[01:03:48] I'll put them in the show notes too so if you're really curious about where we're ranking things and whatnot check out the show notes though I'll get them in there.

[01:03:58] All right, so we're not going to do too much with our MVP is so every episode we pick an MVP for the movies just a quick recap of who we picked. So the MCU is set up in phase in movies phases and sogas.

[01:04:17] So obviously you have your movies that's pretty self-explanatory phases are these groups of movies and then the saga is kind of the big bad and the first three phases make up the.

[01:04:28] Infinity saga the next phases we don't know how long yet are making up what's called the multi verse saga. And so once we get to doing a saga review. We're going to introduce some like fan vote.

[01:04:46] Character versus character kind of things so we're going to save most of our conversation about the MVP's for that. But just to give a quick overview of who are MVP's were per movie. In Iron Man 3 I picked Harley David you picked Aldrich Killian.

[01:05:14] In Thor Dark World I picked Loki David you picked Erick Selvig and Dan picked Kenneth Brenna for not directing it. Captain America Winter Soldier I picked Maria Hill you picked Captain America.

[01:05:34] Oh and I should mention because we're doing that tournament we try not to pick characters in multiple movies so we try not to pick the same character in multiple movies.

[01:05:47] So just because that obviously we wanted to limit ourselves and give ourselves a little bit of a challenge there. Guardians of the Galaxy I picked group you picked Drax and Rob picked Star Lord.

[01:06:04] Age of Ultron I picked Ultron you picked Wanda and then in Antman we went unprecedented and we agreed that Scotland was the MVP. So, okay. No no no I'm just going to say on the list of your MVP's like are there anyone you would do over again?

[01:06:31] You know I know Harley was like a weird choice and I also recognized that Maria Hill Maria Hill is probably one I would take back and redo. I don't know who I would pick I'd have to go back and rewatch again Winter Soldier.

[01:06:44] I think I over estimated Maria Hill's role in Winter Soldier while we were recording. So maybe that's one that I would go back and redo but in Harley I probably would stand by Harley I know that he's a weird choice but I'd probably.

[01:07:00] I wouldn't redo him but it's I recognize it as an odd one. Yeah I mean some of them are you know if you look at the list and obviously you know people like hate wears wear Iron Man in your list wears.

[01:07:12] Captain America on your list it's you know they're in future movies and we don't want to just say you know I mean Captain we picked Captain America or Tony Stark for every movie that they're in I mean almost right and so you know we did you know.

[01:07:29] Every P may not be the best way to put it but just you know impactful character you know other than what is off the obvious choice and some of them you know Maria Hill is a good supporting character I would have loved for her to get more screen time.

[01:07:45] In these films I think in fact she did in fact in the Winter Soldier she had a lot more screen time I got cut out unfortunately.

[01:07:54] I might have skewed I might have helped contribute to your you're ranking ever but unfortunately she's in the movie I think for like five minutes which is just. Egregious. For sure well David so talking about MVP's though so I really liked we introduced this in the.

[01:08:14] Phase one review so we wanted to take a phase MVP in the the.

[01:08:21] It'll be an on one on screen MVP and then one off screen MVP so in phase one I believe your I don't remember who you're on screen MVP I don't remember either of our on screen MVP's I should have gone and looked this up but I forgot to.

[01:08:38] I don't remember but I do remember our off screen MVP's and I believe you took Sarah Hallie Finn in phase one I believe I took. I think I took Kevin Vigy I think I got him out of the way and just took him in the first phase.

[01:08:53] So David I'm going to let you take the take it away and talk about your on screen and off screen MVP four phase two.

[01:09:06] So my on screen MVP I think I'm going to go with Steve Rogers aka captain America he was my MVP for the winner soldier he is one of the leading characters in eight Ultron.

[01:09:26] And you know spoiler alert like in phase three he's going to have a huge role the developing conflict between him and Tony which we will see gets escalated in the. And so I think he's captain American movie we see in phase three.

[01:09:48] And just the character his you know I thought I think he's perfectly cast in the role and so for me he is my on screen MVP how about you so would you say your team cap.

[01:10:00] I actually I'm probably I'd have to think about the play I probably more team Iron Man will let you know we'll talk about that next time like politically where you more. Yeah, I think.

[01:10:16] I well and that's what's funny right is my on screen MVP is probably Tony Stark we saw the most growth out of him here in in phase two.

[01:10:26] We saw him him grow beyond you know he was still he was still the playboy even at the very beginning of Iron Man three. You know the amount of maturity it probably took for him to not hit on the women that were being held captive at the.

[01:10:44] The man's. Compound but you know he we did see him grow. He's a at this point he's a scared man like very very genuinely any and Robert down in junior places very well where.

[01:11:02] He has this at outer of a bra of like macho vibrato kind of thing going on but under the surface there the the waters are not as still right it's it's very much still surface waters hide turbulent underwater's.

[01:11:17] He's dealing with anxiety ultra on is created out of a a desire to protect the world around him particularly. His now solidified love interest in pepper. I think Iron Man really really really was really good in this this.

[01:11:43] Phase and we saw a lot of development out of him and so. I'm sure it's surprising no one I'm sure it's the easy route for me to go but I'm going to go Iron Man so not hardly.

[01:11:56] Okay I just checking I was in another chance to change it I can't remember I looked I looked quickly at our notes from phase one I can't remember who chose either I'm guessing you chose Iron Man for phase well I probably is probably starting yeah.

[01:12:10] Yeah and I think that's I think that's I mean those are the two. Major stars major the two leading MVP choices for this phase two right and so. Can't can't can't progress your choice that he probably would be in my second choice. That's fair that is fair.

[01:12:30] Cool well let's see here so phase two off screen MVP so this is somebody behind the scene somebody doing the. The machinations behind the scenes so.

[01:12:45] David why don't you go I I have a little bit that I want to figure out with mine I think I know who it is but I want to give myself one second so I'm going to let you take it away first sure so.

[01:12:56] I am choosing there are a lot of really good choices and names I had considered. The Russo brothers. The screwnatters marks me feeling and the names escaping my brain. Both were traces I have considered I'm ultimately going with beloved Marvel executive I pro letter.

[01:13:22] I'm sorry Bob I got to get those names confused all the time and the reason for that is.

[01:13:32] The at the time we talked about it made a lusion to it several times there's a group in New York it was called the Marvel creative committee and it was comprised of.

[01:13:44] I pro mother who is the CEO of Marvel Brian Michael Bendis who was a Marvel comics writer joke Sada who was a former Marvel comics editor Dan Buckley who was the Marvel comics publisher and Alan fine marvel entertainment president and.

[01:14:02] That group were were the ones responsible for handing notes on all the movies this is where we see the huge conflict was between.

[01:14:11] And this group and name your director and we've seen multiple times and it came to a head with Edgar Wright leaving and man it came to ahead in.

[01:14:26] Age of Ultron where you know they're feeding notes he saw it in the first the second Ironman movie and so really kind of came to ahead and so.

[01:14:41] Basically like I will I'll read up portion from the Rayne of Marvel studios MCU book by John Roberts and Dave Gonzalez and Gavin Edwards was talking about it and they kind of.

[01:14:53] Right about better than me but when they were when the Russo brothers were doing civil war and they're getting their notes and again this is this they're doing they're making the movie now while we are seeing the other adventure movie like basically like flop out in the director quit.

[01:15:10] And they basically said. The thing is the notes from the committee said they wanted the super hero one of the vendors to fight. Secret soldiers with like so like. Thought out secret soldiers and the Russo brothers like no we want to see superheroes fight superheroes like that's it.

[01:15:34] And so they said if we don't get away we're gonna walk and we're not we're not going to make this movie and so. And you've got FIGI and you've got I pearl mother who are facing off and where is it here Bob Iger wrote in 2019. The.

[01:15:55] Strained relationship with New York with threatening his being Kevin FIGI's continued success so again promoters trying to get rid of FIGI.

[01:16:04] I knew I had to intervene and so in May 2015 I made the decision to split Marvel's movie making unit from the rest of Marvel and bring it under Alan Horn and the Walt Disney Studios.

[01:16:15] Kevin would now report directly to Alan and would benefit from his experience and the tensions that had built up between him and the New York office would be alleviated.

[01:16:24] You know, Iger later said that went while he had told promoter that he would continue to run Marvel after Disney bought it. He didn't promise that he would get to do it forever so and basically.

[01:16:39] People were ecstatic upon hearing the news and so he Bob Iger is my off screen MVP for. Ditching the creative committee, empowering FIGI and you know letting them cook.

[01:16:54] So yeah that makes a lot of sense that makes I think you know the the term oil that that realistically I think that's one of the things that stands out to me about this phase is behind the scenes.

[01:17:09] Behind the scenes this face sucked to be very blunt about it like there there was nobody having a good time really behind the scenes during this phase.

[01:17:23] And so yeah, I like that pick up Bob Iger because he's kind of settling settling the storm a little bit and holding this thing together if you will. Yeah, how about you who's your off screen. I'm gonna go with James gun on this one.

[01:17:43] I know it's a little bit of a basic pick. I thought about the Russo brothers as well. I think I'm going to save them for a future phase because I think they play a larger role in a future phase. Not if I pick it first.

[01:18:01] I'm going to go with James gun here. I actually you know it's funny because a little bit of a peek behind this curtain in that phase one review the off screen MVP was kind of an idea we came up with like last minute and so I didn't do a whole lot of research and.

[01:18:18] I meant to do more research for this one but kind of ultimately landed on it really this morning as we're recording. But I want to tell you David because I think this was your idea to the off screen MVP.

[01:18:32] This has given me like a reason to watch the credits even more because I'm like who was who, who did what? And so I did choose a pretty basic one but there were some other names that floated around you know Danny Elfman for getting his.

[01:18:49] For being able to go to the Avengers premiere by writing the score. Yeah, you know, I think I think though whoever I forget who the music I took note of this and then I didn't keep it.

[01:19:06] The music director was for Guardians of Galaxy also deserves a very honorable mention here.

[01:19:13] Getting all that set up but yeah I think James gun and part of it is that because of Bob Igers influence and that sort of thing James gun was allowed to do his thing with.

[01:19:28] Guardians of the Galaxy and and it made like the MCU would not be the same and we'll get into what ifs here in a little bit but. The MCU would not be what it is today without the influence of the guardians the the comedy that it brings in.

[01:19:47] The nostalgia factor that they have they have successfully leveraged plays into other movies as well. A carried over to other properties and James gun kind of introduced a lot of that so yeah it's a great choice James gun.

[01:20:07] I think we'll go on to direct two more films and a holiday special. It is I think we've talked about for you it is I think it is the best.

[01:20:21] Like trio of movies around a particular one of particular groups yeah for me like he was instrumental in I mean Guardians of the Galaxy was a I again I can't.

[01:20:34] I can't stay to enough like it was a big risk to make that movie and he was insistent on doing it as a James gun movie so it had a lot of humor had a lot of.

[01:20:46] A lot of like maybe that's slightly dull humor and he and both from a writing he had a vision for it he executed on it he had a vision for the music he was he was an advocate for what he had envisioned.

[01:21:01] And for that reason I think that might have also opened it up for other directors like a Ryan Couglar to do you know based you do the movie you want to do right. Yeah we we have Ryan Couglar we have Tyco at T.T.

[01:21:15] You know we have Sam Ramey further on down the line they all like I feel like James gun planted those seeds for those guys to be able to do the movie that they wanted to do right yep I think that's right.

[01:21:29] So I'm going to skip ahead in our show notes a little bit but I think it plays well really well right here because we've been talking a little bit about.

[01:21:35] Some of these these key decisions that had they gone a different way we'd be living in a different reality and in the marvel universe. This is the concept of the multiverse and there's there's whole comic book series and now TV series based on this idea of what if.

[01:21:54] And I think it can be kind of fun to play around with some what ifs in real life right what what does the branch reality look like.

[01:22:02] Where various things change so David I know you kind of sat down and you you thought of some what ifs with this phase so why don't you go ahead take it away talk through the first one and we can talk.

[01:22:14] Sure so we talked a little bit about the creative committee. And if you I mean and it was created to make sure that the folks who are making the movies and then later TV shows.

[01:22:27] Like it was it was things were like tatted with some connection to the comic books you would you would you know the the source materials would be like would be embodied in the film in some way shape or form right and then it just became super do forever hand it.

[01:22:43] And you know I pro motor everyone's favorite guy all around super chill cool guy was coming from the toy side and everything for him was pushing plastic is the expression he was you know he wanted to make movies that had certain representation because it would sell more toys.

[01:23:02] You know he might have been right but it impacted certain certain character elements the black Panther doesn't appear in Avengers and so. You know the reason why a bunch of directors like you know had miserable times or would never come back.

[01:23:18] I don't think he was wrong in that you have to push plastic right you do need to sell some toys where he was wrong was what plastic to push. I think that that's that.

[01:23:31] For anybody listening to this that's like well of course you're going to try and sell action figures yes absolutely you are that that's the idea of of superhero media in general.

[01:23:41] Look at you know transformers all those 80s cartoon shows literally were built push plastic but I think the problem that I had was he didn't think that. I think that the plastic of certain colors or with certain.

[01:23:59] Let's say with boobies yeah would would be push a bull which I think that that it that was his key flaw in that like.

[01:24:14] Absolutely you can market the hell out of black Panther there are a bunch of kids out there that will buy up black Panther they'll buy miles more Alice they'll buy. Black widow and that's what that's where I think I like Pearl mother was short sighted.

[01:24:30] Yeah he's also just a creep and so you kind of you kind of know from a personal political perspective like just his his viewpoints on things I think if I remember correctly I think it was the winner soldier. Where they were like basically they had to.

[01:24:46] I think what's the winner soldier where they put like Ironman on the motorcycle instead of like black widow and or just like wait a second. I remember Ironman running was he writing motorcycle do you can fly.

[01:24:58] But so the question I have is we know what would have happened if the. If it hadn't been disbanded basically five you would quit and so obviously that would be we could go on forever like.

[01:25:11] But what would happen let's say after the first Avengers movie where they forced out certain characters. What what do you think phase two would have looked like if there was no marvel creative committee if they disbanded in like.

[01:25:26] You know to like 2012 like right after the event so we're starting phase two clean slate what do you think that looks like. Oh man.

[01:25:40] Well I will say probably age of all tron would not be called age of all tron because I'm 98% sure the Brian Michael Bendis wrote age of all the age of all tron series which also has to feel so disappointing for him where he's like I wrote this thing and you stole the name.

[01:25:59] But I guess not my storyline. But. Yeah I think. I'm like thinking through I don't know that Ironman one would have looked all that different pro maybe. You mean I meant to I mean three or I meant.

[01:26:21] Yeah I don't know that Ironman three looks all that different because for the time the gross scenes right those were pretty industry standard unfortunately. So I don't know that those necessarily drove.

[01:26:36] All that we're driven all that much from the creative committee although maybe we don't get as many suits right maybe we don't don't get the Tony the tinker. Story line because that that absolutely pushed plastic right and what kid doesn't want to own 43 Ironman. But.

[01:26:57] For probably doesn't look all that different maybe we get our black widow movie earlier on maybe we get a black widow movie somewhere in phase two. I think I think that's very likely. Remember Kenneth Brannott even though he he didn't love.

[01:27:13] He obviously never came back to direct for and I think it was pretty sweet because of like the speed and pace of things. Not necessarily like he had although I'm sure they got tinkered with so I don't know that Thor Dark World would have looked different.

[01:27:28] Yeah man we would have seen I think earlier certainly earlier maybe even like phase one maybe even before the Avengers had and but this version would have looked different because obviously we talked about for Edgar Wright would have directed it.

[01:27:46] I think you would have also had an active loss in am man. I could see that in am in one I could see that. You would have seen you know a black Panther movie probably come out a little bit earlier.

[01:27:57] I'm glad they and find for it to be in phase three and not to have rushed it if you will. I think Ultron in your you are correct Brian Michael Bendis wrote the.

[01:28:09] The word when in comic book series and so you know probably was one of the people pushing for it certainly would have been something different might have been not even been Ultron at all. Yeah, you I think do you think so obviously Sony agreement aside.

[01:28:28] Do you think we would have got miles more Alice in the MCU sooner without the MCC possibly. Because my miles was huge like in the comic book side I was reading comics around this time heavily and.

[01:28:44] Like miles everybody's been clamoring for bring miles and bring miles and bring miles and why isn't miles here and and honestly we still are right we're still like why is miles not in the MCU. And I kind of think I kind of think like. Sony agreement aside miles.

[01:29:07] Miles might have been an earlier entry in the MCU. Without some of these folks that that had certain personal prejudices and that's sort of thing. I think that could have been our MCU Spider-Man.

[01:29:23] I think you're still running into the Sony issue right and that's yeah and that's the part where but assuming if you assume that the Sony issue the rights issue doesn't exist. I yeah it's definitely see an early.

[01:29:39] And so you miles more Alice but the part that gets a little bit tricky because then you're start talking you know alternate. You know yeah you have to start talking. Yeah, just multiple.

[01:29:51] And that's where it's way too early for that all that we get into it in Antman or what. But they were comfortable with it in other places right so Ironman Tony Stark took on his all took on a lot of parts of the ultimate Tony Stark.

[01:30:07] And that's not a different character name right and I do recognize that. That's not a different character name but a lot of his story pieces came from the ultimate universe which is where Miles came from. Right.

[01:30:20] And I mean yes it is easier for for the the casual fan who knows. Tony Stark equals Ironman they don't know all the story beats so whatever you know if you if you replace with an extra story beat who knows. Who cares right.

[01:30:39] And that is different than like completely changing the character entirely with with Miles versus Peter but. I think I think that's right. I think that you know have the MCC been. Disbanded earlier.

[01:30:56] I think the major things would see I think Antman would have been made a lot earlier. I think it's possible we would have seen a black Panther at the end of the phase.

[01:31:05] I think age of all tron probably would have gone last because it just seems to make sense to build up to an Avengers film and I think Avengers. I think of the of the movies like.

[01:31:17] Antman and event and Ultron I think were the two that were most impacted like what you see on screen. Yeah.

[01:31:25] We don't see as much on the amics it's off screen it's just a different movie right versus Ultron you see all the messiness all the way through I think if they had let if the MCC goes away this is what I think what happens.

[01:31:39] Avengers age of all tron gets more time and it's better and I think that that means that. That we see oh doctors escaping the the my top my head.

[01:31:53] Well there we were reading yeah we didn't oh jobs we didn't yes sticks around and this is an instrument what if he sticks around at the zara phase three. And if he doesn't have such a miserable time with Ultron does he direct in game and in finior war.

[01:32:10] Yeah right. Yeah that's definitely really interesting and I think. He may have um I'm trying to think what else he was doing around that time and it escapes me. We still have toxic stuff but let's not. Yeah there's that.

[01:32:29] I do think I think what he would do I think he would not direct it but he would be around like John Faffreau right and like he would be like.

[01:32:37] Intimately involved like I I'm not directing it because quite frankly I'd rather just like help produce it like that's a lot of work.

[01:32:44] Yeah kind of kind of the role that like for those familiar with the Star Wars universe George Lucas took on in the first trilogy where he he directed the first movie and then was just kind of on set to hang out or to like keep things going in the next two.

[01:33:02] I think he directed um we're trying to the Jedi. I don't think he directed Jedi. Oh which is that Lawrence can now we're trying Mark wand.

[01:33:14] Okay anyway I think it's the same thing right it's I think his name would be inexplicably linked with those movies and a lot of people would think of him would think of.

[01:33:26] Would think of him as the guy who did those movies but yeah the other thing that I thought of is. The origins of shield would be way more tied into the MCU without an MCC because they maintained control of the TV side.

[01:33:43] And so that's why that's part of why and spoiler alert for when we talk about what we're going to talk about in phase three.

[01:33:51] We we're not reviewing agents of shield partially because we value our sanity but also because it is so loosely canon that like it doesn't make sense to review. And so. And it's so loosely canon because the the TV part of Marvel Studios stayed under the New York.

[01:34:20] And so it's stayed separate and I think if you remove that that New York group earlier on I think the agents of shield stays closer to the movies and maybe you get Robert Downey Jr showing up in an episode.

[01:34:37] Or you know Chris Hemmsworth coming instead of just Jamie Alexander or something like that you know you get you get more more tie-ins to the movies.

[01:34:48] Yeah, that's good call. I think the other thing which is kind of related is I keep going back to that to Edgar Wright like quitting just on the eve of filming and with no MCC his film would have been made a lot earlier because again he.

[01:35:08] You know he danced with Marvel a lot with start projects you know we'll get pull on to another project he didn't direct a lot of other great films but if his and man gets made earlier one like you said was probably in there and it probably looks a lot different right the character is going to be you know and again I like him and I'll like Paul read probably would not have been Paul read if I remember correctly I think they looked at other actors at the time.

[01:35:36] He would have been an age of Ultron because I think Ultron would have gone last and man might have been moved up kind of more in the middle and you know kind of fortunate because he just you see him in the stand-alone movie then just kind of pops up in the eventors just like just kind of had nowhere in civil war just like hey look at me like.

[01:35:55] Yeah so that you know that was kind of a missed opportunity and by the finally did it I can't imagine fighting not being part of the MCU that to me that that breaks my brain a little bit to try to think about that.

[01:36:07] Yeah yeah for sure and that's I think. The other thing that strikes me is Edgar I think Edgar writes and man would have almost been guardians of the galaxy there's so much about guardians of the galaxy that is Edgar Wright style with popular music and.

[01:36:26] Kind of the quicky humor aspects and that's sort of thing I think man would have been more similar to like a. Guardians of the galaxy earth bound in the 60s right which yes that's changing very core elements of guardians of the galaxy but.

[01:36:43] Feeling wise I think it would have felt very similar. Yeah that's interesting so. Interesting yeah I think I definitely do think it would look. Different and if you think it'd be a little bit more of the kind of sci-fi.

[01:37:05] Guardians kind of you know not necessarily said in space but just like that kind of like a weird or element that's kind of an interesting that would have been really interesting to see.

[01:37:15] Certainly the entire phase would have looked different in terms of involvement you know one of the things.

[01:37:22] I was wondering kind of related to this was you know obviously when they made guardians of the galaxy there was again a lot of push from the MCC and a lot of push back and you know from the music rights to just to the storyline and all that kind of stuff.

[01:37:37] Ultimately James gun who was your phase two MVP was correct and one.

[01:37:44] But what if what if what if the guardians had bombed what if it had just been like what if it had been like some sort of eternal's level like nom and this is way too weird I'm not into this and maybe let's you know like what do you think how does that shape.

[01:38:02] The MCU. Yeah that that would have been wild man it that that takes a lot more to put my brain there. Because I think that the humor of of guardians informed so much about Marvel.

[01:38:21] I how man now I'm like thinking through all the ramifications here and think you know not that it has to be like how are the duck level kind of like what right.

[01:38:32] What right how do we just watch but if it had if it had just been met if it had just been like the 27th ranked film and people weren't feeling it like does gun you know because remember gun left marvel right would he have come back with the even seen guardians to and three.

[01:38:53] I don't think you see guardians to and three I don't think you see you know you look at the the merchandising of the MCU and it is guardians heavy right guardians has the most theme park rides in the Disney parks I believe.

[01:39:10] Yeah in two they have they have two rides where I think the most other than that is one because Iron Man has one and spider man has one.

[01:39:25] So yeah guardians has is there baby group was baby group went toe to toe with baby Yoda for a while there with like who was on more crap.

[01:39:43] And so they are such a seminal part of the MCU and so if they're if they come out and they just kind of release a movie that people like me really geek out on and love but. Everybody else is like yeah okay yeah that was there.

[01:40:01] The way of Hulk I think I think actually Hulk's arc is very similar to that where like there was a solo movie that did okay and so now he's relegated to being a second character and everything he's in.

[01:40:17] I think guardians are the same way right maybe they show up in in and game and infinity war because they have to be the entry into the space but.

[01:40:28] There they're more of the like who the hell were these guys why don't remember remember them kind of thing instead of. I think I think I don't think I think if the movie bombs gun leaves maybe he hops over the to DC earlier and fixes that train wreck.

[01:40:49] And we don't get it guardians to we don't get a guardians three we don't get the the overall like that great arc if you will we don't get the holiday special.

[01:41:00] And I think you're right I think the characters are maybe they appear in Avengers film or maybe they team up they meet team up with Thor and a Thor movie but I don't I again the end much too I promoters this may they don't sell a lot of merchandise like and and you were right like they were you know that little baby group thing was everywhere right absolutely yeah so.

[01:41:23] And it's oh man with that I just I don't think you get the next two Thor movies without guardians not the way that they were so you're saying rag and love and thunder because they they lean into that kind of.

[01:41:43] I mean it would be a I'll be honest it would be a bummer if if Marvel just evolved into. If we're just serious superhero movies like if we're just like action fighting CGI like. Age of Ultrony kind of thing like and that's every movie that's every formula.

[01:42:03] That would be a hard watch would be a hard one wouldn't have this podcast listeners. I'm just kidding we probably. We would be we'd be reviewing Pixar films instead but there we go.

[01:42:18] No I think I think it's definitely like guardians is one of those seminals it's it's it's a can and a van to if you will that just creates such a flash point in the MCU yeah that it it's so important so the behind the scenes I mean everybody knows what.

[01:42:37] was going on and on you know in on the screen but that's why I thought like.

[01:42:41] The Marvel creative committee this this whole tumultuous time that started from the very beginning because it's in the first Ironman film and we've seen it ever since I just thought that that's why I thought that Bob Agro was my MVP for just. Dispanning that group so.

[01:42:56] For sure for sure. Well let's let's pull some stuff out from behind the pay wall curtain so for those who don't know we have a what we call the super secret spoiler show.

[01:43:06] Which is on our patreon feed which is through the ears up patreon down in the show notes all that good stuff.

[01:43:14] What's going to be kind of funny here is because I have gotten really behind on editing and releasing these even for those who are caught up on the super secret spoiler show at the time of release here some of this is going to be news to you even.

[01:43:30] So we do a we do two kind of recurring bits on that super secret spoiler show. One is cast Nicholas Cage in these movies it's a very fun thing. We're going to keep that behind the pay wall though.

[01:43:50] Go listen to our patreon episodes. They are great we have a great conversation about Nick Cage as everybody from I think Odin was one pick to Ultron and everything in between it's a good time.

[01:44:09] But the other one here and the couch was one a little bit I so I was once upon a times a competitive bearder so I went to world beard and mustache championships and there happens to be a varying level of beardedness in these movies.

[01:44:28] So he thought it would be fun to go through pick out the beards and rate them within these movies and pick kind of a beard MVP if you will. Most most valuable beard the MVP and the baby.

[01:44:46] So David do you want to go through who I who I picked in each movie and then. Kind of looking over there. In Iron Man 3 you selected Gary the Van Guy who had the knockoff Tony Stark.

[01:45:01] That was a rough movie and I feel like I just had to pick something for the last time. I'm in for it. I also I think you said at the time like Gary was great he was like one of the happy spots of the movie.

[01:45:14] So why not throw him a bone in for you pick false tag in Captain America the winner soldier another weak movie you pick Nick Fury. In Guardians of the Galaxy you picked prosthetic leg guy.

[01:45:28] I think I didn't even have an aim was just but he had a pretty pretty pretty facial hair like I was surprised.

[01:45:36] I'm going to say if you have an age of Ultron you picked claw and then in Antman there was surprisingly a fair amount of facial hair but you picked Carlos the softball guy in the story that Luis retells as he's told me details about the heights.

[01:45:52] So of those six Gary the Van Guy, full stack Nick Fury prosthetic leg guy, claw and Carlos softball guy who is your who is your MVP.

[01:46:05] All right, so I'm going to eliminate the easy one because that doesn't make for good content and I know I picked him in phase one.

[01:46:13] And unfortunately the actor who portrayed this character has passed and played another good her sweet character in his final role in Star Wars but. Full stack as played by Ray Stevenson.

[01:46:29] His beard's fantastic so I'm not going to pick him ultimately because I think that that's just I don't know it's just silly to pick the same guy time after time after time after time but I did want to give a shout out that you know truly he does have the best beard in the phase and.

[01:46:50] Yeah, so outside of old stack though. Going with somebody who I haven't picked before I am going to go with the Ulysses claw.

[01:46:57] His his beard was super solid big shout, though, to both prosthetic leg guy and Carlos because I guarantee you those extras those were their real facial hair you don't put fake beards on extras and that sort of thing right you don't spend that kind of money.

[01:47:14] So those guys did cultivate some good beards but ultimately you Lissie's claw.

[01:47:21] Just a Andy circus is rocking a great beard in that movie great if I remember right kind of salt and peppery look to it and yeah very very solid and we think that was a fake beard or we think that was real beard.

[01:47:41] I'm going off some memory here, which is a little bit cloudy because it's been a few months since we watch that movie but. I'm I'm thinking it was probably real. Okay.

[01:47:53] It feels feel I feel like I've seen Andy circus with a beard and so like it would that's kind of where I start to base some of this off of is like I've seen their real beard so you know they they might extend it or something yes beard extension.

[01:48:09] Yes beard extensions are real but they might do something to fill it out or something like that, but overall I think that was his his hair. I never every time we talk about facial hair I learned something new every single time I had.

[01:48:27] I had no idea about a beard weave. It makes sense like if if you know if if men and women can have hair extensions and make sense to get a beard extension so you're going with claw your MVP and your best supporting beard guys.

[01:48:47] beard guys are prosthetic leg guy and Carlos. Absolutely. Okay. So we before we jump into the phase three preview any like kind of final thoughts Ryan as it relates to phase two.

[01:49:04] You know how you feel about phase one versus phase two, how do you know what's the significance of phase two just just your own kind of personal thoughts and feelings. Yeah yeah so I think phase two phase two showed that marble could survive some trouble. Mm-hmm.

[01:49:29] I think the ultimate success of phase two showed the marble. Marvel can live with not hitting it out of the park and and I am on record drawing a lot of analogies between where we are today in the MCU and phase two.

[01:49:49] I think we're at a deeper hole right now because of a lot else going on there's so so much going on around Disney and Marvel and everything else that I do think like I do recognize that the the hole is a little bit deeper right now but.

[01:50:11] I do think like there is a lot of themes that we uncovered through researching these movies and researching what was going on around them and everything else that that rings very true to today and to the modern MCU here in 2024.

[01:50:30] And so I think that was one of the most interesting things just in the timing of us releasing this podcast this year and us going through this going through phase two in 2023.

[01:50:45] That really that really made it really interesting for me but I think overall phase two has some real highlights right it's got winter soldier it's got Iron Man 3 which is a real highlight for me.

[01:51:02] Ultimately like Ultron is pretty good but it shows that the cracks are starting to come through not just story wise you know not just the characters fighting with each other but you can see you know we make the joke about you see the the relief on Aaron Johnson's face when he is not stuck playing a superhero forever.

[01:51:25] He can go on and he can play kick ass and he craven on and he can play Craven instead.

[01:51:36] But but no I think I think ultimately like phase two is weirdly it's one of those kind of cognitive dissonance moments right where you know behind the scenes it was miserable but what the.

[01:51:55] Product that came out was still pretty good do you like phase two or phase one more just on a whole phase one okay why is that is one.

[01:52:06] I think just like the overall level of quality was better in phase one and that includes you know that includes incredible Hulk that includes.

[01:52:20] I I really like Thor I think my enjoyment of the first Thor movie my enjoyment of Captain America first of Andrew my enjoyment of parts of Iron Man 2 kind of boolee phase one a little bit.

[01:52:37] I do think phase one and phase two are very close though in levels of quality. And so I would say you know phase one kind of gets that extra edge by being the one that started it. Okay, how about you.

[01:52:52] So as far as as far as why I think the most part thing of the phase and we mentioned before like them sorting out by the end kicking out the MCC and then really kind of.

[01:53:07] Writing the ship so you know for the for the for the creatives and for the cast for the folks everyone behind the scenes it's just like it was you know.

[01:53:15] Ding dog the the wicked which is dead like the and you have this great creative freedom going forward which we'll see in phase three.

[01:53:22] And then phase one for me they figured out like the formula the secret sauce the cast they figure out how to make these movies and how to pace them and how to like do the CGI and all the stuff we don't even talk about from the from the costume to set designs.

[01:53:41] The special effects departments all that stuff it is a it is a well oiled machine. And then I think the importance for this phase is I think this phase. While not as you know spoiler not as good as the next phase I think it is.

[01:53:59] The most important in that you we we they tried some things out that worked they rebounded from a couple of duds at the beginning right and they took big they took a big swing with guard it's a can't I can't you know say it again.

[01:54:16] That like that was a huge swing and I was he that was a home run right. Without that like we said you know that dot if that was a dud would have gardens to wouldn't have gardens three may not have just the future would look different so.

[01:54:31] And it is very also very important because they did planting the seeds with all these infinity stones showing up this is there.

[01:54:37] And this is you know I see face to is like the blueprint the blueprint towards getting us to the end of the phase the end of the saga should say not the end of the phase and for that reason I think like phase two I think is more important I think as it relates to enjoyment.

[01:54:54] I think I like phase two a little bit more because of the highs for me so guardians winter soldier are like like peak peak movies for me and yeah I'll try and isn't the best dark world it's not that fantastic.

[01:55:15] But I would say that for me phase two slightly more enjoyable just because of those those real big peaks. Yeah that's fair that's fair and that's yeah I think you know it is it is super close and it's just.

[01:55:34] It it's definitely like one A one to one B right I don't think I will say I don't think that these two phases end up being my favorite phases of the MCU. I guess to dovetail us really nicely into our preview.

[01:55:52] I think we're coming up on what maybe my favorite phase of the MCU will see once everything's all said and done.

[01:56:00] But we do move from here and we move into phase three so phase three to run you down the movies that we will be releasing and I'm going to try let me. I got to pull up those spreadsheet here real quick.

[01:56:20] I'm trying to tell you what months we're releasing these in so if you're trying to skip certain months you can plan your vacations around that.

[01:56:29] Why you're pulling that up let me just let me set the set the stage so in October 2000 October 2018 five year now the full slate of phase three MCU films at the LCAP 10 theater in Hollywood.

[01:56:43] So this is in right around this time we are seeing it's October 2014 so this is after Guardians of the Galaxy came out right and which probably gave them a big green light right like thumbs up well received were full steam ahead.

[01:57:00] And they were going to announce at a comic combat things were not set for the slate at that point.

[01:57:07] I think part of it might have been for the reception of the Guardians of the Galaxy and perhaps you know other behind the scenes conflict and stuff going on so.

[01:57:15] This one off event was used instead so all the films could be confirmed and they'd never done it before and you know they've settled on the Soctober date and the announced this full slate it is. 12 movies.

[01:57:30] Yeah, you know 12 movies so we will kick it off with Captain America civil war our MCU introduction of Spider-Man spoiler alert. But that will release next month March March 5th of 2024 we will release that one.

[01:57:51] We've then moved from there into Doctor Strange so that will release an April releasing in May we will release Guardians of the Galaxy volume two. releasing in June we've got Spider-Man homecoming July we've got Thor Ragnarok. August we have Black Panther September Avengers Infinity War October.

[01:58:22] Antman in the wasp November Captain Marvel December December and probably all of next year because the amount of content it will generate. Avengers Endgame and then on our second pot of verse re coming around to.

[01:58:43] January of 2025 we will release Spider-Man no way or I'm sorry Spider-Man far from home no Spider-Man homecoming. Far from home. I get it all mixed up I'm a Paul. No home come far from home yeah yeah homecoming far from home no way home better go home right.

[01:59:06] Nobody's home. Spider-Man home alone. I will say for anybody tracking MCU cannon and all that stuff. I do want to call out a couple of decisions we have made here we talked about it a little bit on the monthly vehicle.

[01:59:27] We will not we have decided that we are going to stay with a pretty strict definition of cannon. And we are going to try and stay with what was cannon at. At the time of us starting the podcast.

[01:59:47] So what that means is we will not be so recently Marvel added the Netflix shows to the canonical timeline order on.

[02:00:02] On Disney plus and we love those shows I love the defender series from like not the specific show defenders but all of those series that culminated in the Avengers. I really enjoyed those from Netflix. I enjoyed agents of shield as well.

[02:00:19] But because they are not like this strict definition of cannon. We have decided that we will not be reviewing those in the first run of this show like maybe down the relying once we get through all the content marble has you know in 10 15 years once we get there.

[02:00:40] Maybe we will get back into agents of shield or those Netflix shows or that sort of thing. But really for our sanity and for keeping the momentum going forward and that sort of thing we have decided that we're going to save those for some other time.

[02:01:01] They're not going to we talked about potentially adding in. Especially the Netflix show since they are listed on the timeline now. We talked about trying to fit those in here because we would have to play catch up through a couple of.

[02:01:16] The seasons and all that stuff but ultimately we decided not to so you are we are still going to be all movies through this phase this phase does not include any TV projects will get to some TV projects in the next phase.

[02:01:32] But for right now, this is all movies. Let me ask you this real quick run so phase three like just off the top your head like how do you feel about phase three.

[02:01:46] Oh, buddy I'm so stoked on phase three I like civil wars of being or I love doctor strange guardians of galaxy two happens. Spider man homecoming I love I love Thor Ragnarok I love Black Panther we've got the infinity war and game combo going on.

[02:02:09] Captain Marvel I'm I'm actually really excited to get Captain Marvel because I.

[02:02:15] I really want to watch it and and it's a very divisive movie there is a lot of people on both sides of that that kind of spectrum when it comes to Captain Marvel so that's one that I'm really looking forward to similar to the way that I look forward to Iron Man 3 or.

[02:02:36] I'm trying to think of another example where people kind of are on both sides of it but you know I'm really looking forward to that I mean end game.

[02:02:47] I can't wait to watch end game like and you know very truly listener you're probably going to see it we're I'm going to call it now that's going to end up being like four hours of content that that I'm going to have to release is two separate episodes, but.

[02:03:04] Which is which is fitting because the Avengers of any war and end game just it's basically like one long movie right at least. What I can't wait for is when we get about half when get to like infinity war and you have completely filled up your top third.

[02:03:24] And then you got a slot end game in your middle third.

[02:03:28] Oh yeah there's some I mean this is where this is where the rearranging this is going to happen this is going to be tough yeah there's you know other phases you know this is good content the other phases that there's an excellent content and.

[02:03:46] Face right I am really really looking forward to diving in on these movies some of my favorites are coming up and so many so many good ones.

[02:03:57] Yeah this yeah this yeah this is yeah this is a this is going to be a good year folks listen up I mean we're also we still have the monthly vehicle going on and like I definitely want to put some shine on the monthly vehicle it's going to be fun.

[02:04:11] Throughout this year I think you know we we got we hit a little bit of a low with the monthly vehicle at the end of last year because of the strikes and that's where stuff but we're starting to get news about I saw toys coming out for Captain America new world order that starts to point towards some.

[02:04:32] Room or appearances of certain characters I saw. I saw that we're like deadpool stuff is heat enough we got deadpool coming out in the real time version of the MCU.

[02:04:47] We've got more TV shows coming up this is going to be a good year for puny pot I'm going to call it right now and I am I'm so so excited for it because yeah phase three phase three is just banger after banger.

[02:05:01] The real time MCU is starting to spice back up or we're starting to pick back up and I am genuinely excited for the next year of puny pot.

[02:05:11] Yeah that's going to be it's going to be a lot of good content with six months away from six months yeah I think we're six months away from deadpool. See yeah look for those bring it on. Heck yeah guys heck yeah well.

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[02:06:05] But yes thank you JR check out his website Trempi.org is in the show notes to every episode now. Tell your friends and until next time. Enough said.