Puny Pod | Phase 2 Episode 6 - Ant-Man

[00:00:00] Welcome to Puny Pod, the podcast who has one question. Is it too late to change the name? Welcome to Puny Pod everyone. We are the Marvel Fandom Podcast where we rewatch the MCU in release order

[00:00:36] My name is Ryan and my co-host who is late because he was saving the world you know how it is is David All right, David So this movie introduces us to a A laundry

[00:00:50] Would you rather take the red pill and shrink or take the blue pill and grow? Oh, I thought you were talking about this was the matrix. I did watch that I did not watch that movie in advance. I would go

[00:01:05] Red I think red pill and shrink. Yeah, I'm shrink. How about you? I think so too the red the red pin particles would be I mean granted now if if you grew enough it would cut down on transportation time places, right?

[00:01:19] Like that just becomes functional at that point. What what do you sleep? Like how big help and how big are we talking about are we talking about like? Like when be sized 7 foot 6 kind of giant are we talking about? 23 feet tall like what are we looking at?

[00:01:43] That's actually funny funny you mentioned that I was so We have some comic book content in this actual episode because we actually prepared for once But one of the things I discovered was in a recent issue Where Antman was teaming up with Spider-Man Scott Lang reconfigured

[00:02:04] The suit so that his default height was a one inch taller I That's funny We so done I like it. I like it Well as I mentioned there we are covering Antman today, so we are all the way this is last Episode in phase two

[00:02:30] So with that being said David, do you want to jump right in and give us the production details? Production dates as the kids say so Antman titled Antman was released July 17th 2015 it is the sequel Not really the sequel to the Avengers, but it is it is the

[00:02:55] first Shmovie showing of Vendor who was supposed to be original Vendor's movie It is the phase two sixth installment It is the number 12 movie in the MCU runtime is a tidy one hour 57 minute Production budget was $130 million for the movie

[00:03:16] They're opening weekend they did $57 million so on the lower side of MC releases Domestic gross was 180 million and worldwide gross was 519 million And Antman ranks 25th among MC movies in terms of worldwide gross behind Iron Man 1 and just ahead of Antman in the wasp quantum media

[00:03:42] Received pretty well critic score 83% audiences 85% And it is from a rotten tomato's perspective number 18 right behind black Panther Wakanda forever and right ahead of guardians of the galaxy Volume number 3 so This one went through a lot a lot of Production and development hell so In 2000

[00:04:11] Avi Arad who is the CEO in founder of Marvel Studios convinced art as an entertainment team int which did the Blurridge project Two partner with mob marvel and the two companies created joint subsidiary and identified a bunch of

[00:04:24] Marvel properties that they were going to develop so this is pre any MC movie pre Iron Man You know almost a full decade before that so that included things like Captain America Thor Punisher Black Panther

[00:04:36] Which was least not so as attached to and was going to star and produce deadpool iron fist And among others Antman so Edgar Wright who is a huge fan of Antman

[00:04:49] He and his friend Joe Cornish wrote a treatment for Antman, but Lionsgate bought art as an in 2003 let all the The Marvel the quote Drugs it revert except for the Punisher and they made a couple punishers movies

[00:05:01] So right went on to correct direct he did shine of the dead which he presented 2004 Comic Con and when he was there Fige an aired we're like hey do you want to read this thing we did three years ago

[00:05:12] And if aired and five year like yeah that's something this is pretty good They like the heist movie theme and they like how they merge the two different separate comic characters into the into the same movie which you were all talk about in a bit

[00:05:26] And eventually they got the green light for the right Cornish treatment to be developed after I was To making hot fire It was in 2007 So they delivered their script in 2008, but a lot of changed a marvel Erad was gone five years had a production and

[00:05:40] Marvel was really focused on the Avengers without Antman So they went on right went on to adopt different comic book movie Scott Pilogram first is the world 2010 so we're almost like decade after they were You know the the original Englings of creating this Antman Movie so

[00:05:58] They shot some screenplay 2011 which Marvel likes they paid right to shoot some footage which flag you Plan to bring to Comic Con in July 2012 and then right went to go work on the worlds end in 2013 You know more production work more delays

[00:06:17] In 2000 October 2013 Marvel said age a lie 2015 release date frame and sing would be Kick off of phase three right was responsible for casting Paul Red Michael Douglas Eventually in the little a Michael painting others however right learned that marvel how

[00:06:32] Marvel operated and was consistently receiving input from Fyghee Josh Sweden and the Marvel Creators Committee in New York And so in it comes to a boil in mid May 2014 right around the time so they were right about to film this ride and

[00:06:50] Marvel revealed it updated draft which quote horrified right in Cornish Well causing right to drop out due to quote creative differences which is always the reason And like James gun he right wanted to make a movie that was both an after-right movie

[00:07:05] But Marvel basic position it is a director for higher role so Paul Red call up his buddy at an okay who worked on anker man about directing but Adam and Kaves too busy buddy offered to

[00:07:16] Punch up the script and so for the first time since the credit of Hulk Marvel was actually paying an actor Paul Red to rewrite the script and so patron ring Peyton read from bringing on was brought on he was a huge Marvel fan he had interviewed to

[00:07:37] Direct previously and He sees the opportunity and direct film in them so even if it meant stepping in at the last minute and Taking over project which previously was held by right Editor dad Levin tell said that despite rights departure and pain rate running the project

[00:07:54] The studio held on to the original release date so They're not going to delay at all. It's full speed ahead so that meant that the film's put up post-production loss 10 weeks In the process yeah, yeah, so it's sort of like seller the workload on the editing sound

[00:08:09] Visual effects 3D rendering teams with their team doing their final mixing sounds Before some of the visual effects were even arrived that which to me is bonkers so As mentioned Peyton read was the original director attached to it after you dropped out

[00:08:24] Adam a K past a few others past Film journalist Eric Vespi in a cool news wrote he would more than the Edgar Wright movie there What happened most excited to see Peyton read would would give it a go and

[00:08:38] Gird to him. Yeah, well, let's see if they let Peyton bring any personality or character to this movie Edgar Wright who has been Magnanimous about it said he is quote he's never watched the film or even in the trailer any says

[00:08:51] It would be kind of like asking me do you want to watch your ex girlfriend have sex like no I'm good So yeah, so Edgar Wright probably not gonna help anything in the future. So the screen play was was Edgar Wright Joe Cornish

[00:09:07] Adam a K and Paul Redberg all given writing credits the cast it is at largely a new cast except for Three characters You see Paul Red asked Scott Lang Michael Douglas as Dr. Hake Pim Finzley and Lily as Hope man Dine Corey stole as Darren Cross

[00:09:27] Bobby Connevelli as Paxton we see Anthony Mackey return as Sam Wilson Falcon Judy Greer Who's in as a side note wasted in this movie as Mackey Lang I mean, she's in I mean Not great yeah, yeah, I think

[00:09:43] She comes back in the sequels and I she's better off in those she's better off where she appeared in The T- sequels yeah, due to Chris great letter cook, but anyway, I digress

[00:09:56] Abby writer for its an as Cassie Lang see just for not forever Michael Pignes Luis David I'm gonna miss but you're the name death melts. Desmoutchines Kurt Tip or as others know him it's TI Harris as Dave and Woody Harris a gal

[00:10:13] Haley Owl returns as Peggy Carter John Slattery as Howard Stark and we see Stanley in his cameo So as always none of these people were the first choices Scott Lang originally Jordan Peele was originally cast You and the Gregor was considered

[00:10:32] Adrian Brody Arne Hammer came down to between Paul Red and Joseph Gordon Levitt Which is Marble's choice, but he had a conflict so Hank Pym first choice was Steve Buschemme But he couldn't accept to do the scheduling conflicts so Sean being

[00:10:49] Peele's bros and then your old mineral considered for the role Hope Van Dine just catchest and was off for the role but turned it down too to quote creative differences Rashida Jones Bryce Dallas Howard Emma Stone rock considered and then Darren cross

[00:11:07] Patrick Wilson was originally cast but left due to a scheduling conflict so Paul Red made 300,000 for this movie which to me again is just ridiculous low But a decent sound that he would continue to rise his co-star on the film

[00:11:23] Eventually Lily didn't even make that much for salaries and known But I'm guessing it was probably you know based on what we've seen before like a third of what He made so those numbers would rise quite a bit over the years but again Marble kind of

[00:11:38] You know early Marvel turning the screws to its to its talent if you will yeah Yeah, that's interesting that it sounds like they They originally wanted hope Van Dine to be a redhead because there was a lot of redhead

[00:11:51] There were a lot of redheads there were a lot of redheads considered so yeah, yeah I think um You know no one can disagree with the choice of Paul Red he's been great in the role

[00:12:04] It's funny how you kind of stumble into the character really I think just Gordon love it would have been pretty cool too though Yeah, and I'm thinking about the Hank Pim casting too is so weird because it's like it's two James bonds or Steve Buschimi

[00:12:18] Yeah, I was gonna say from a charisma and good looks perceive active. It's it's Buschimi clear number one and then everyone File in behind them Yeah, I know it was pretty interesting to see like I am I didn't know I mean I'd heard and knew that

[00:12:40] Right was the original director and writer and That he had left the project but I didn't know how long it went on and I think you know this since I get is that if This had been the his priority perhaps earlier on it would have been made and

[00:12:56] Let's bounce and then belonged in the Avengers. It seems kind of silly and hindsight That's why I was kind of making it like the joke that's the sequel to the ventures that features the adventure who was it in you were a venture

[00:13:08] And it just I think it was one of those kind of like It's a tining issue right and this is the movie that we start to see The and we'll get into it in future movies the real like kind of heavy handiness of the Marvel creative committee

[00:13:25] In terms of feedback and so forth. This is the you know the famous group. This trying to push plastic This is the famous group that that you know That is really trying to steer things towards Certain representation in the movies and

[00:13:39] And forcing that group got to spend it like a little bit later on, but yeah, I was Definitely impacted this movie quite a bit Yeah, for sure for sure. Yeah, and it's it's interesting because like you say

[00:13:51] Man was in the Avengers and man and the loss should have been in the Avengers, but weren't And I I do think it's just like the character reads strange right the the character is is hard to show in the Avengers

[00:14:07] And in Captain America plays a little bit better because realistically you pulled out Antman and the loss and inserted Captain America in the original Avengers team And I think Captain America just Plays a little bit better on screen Then Antman does

[00:14:25] Yeah, totally but but you could have if you had had Antman the loss I think you're still gonna have Captain America. Maybe you don't have Hawkeye and black widow, but Tb Yeah, that's fair. That's fair Cool

[00:14:40] Well, why don't I go ahead and get started on some comic book stuff and Before I get started on this I do want to give a quick Disclaimer so the first character I'm gonna talk about is Hank Pim

[00:14:56] Pretty famously not a great dude and I'll get into that in more detail That's not the whole detail I'm giving here But I do want to give a quick disclaimer for anyone who You know, it's troubled by by like spouse will abuse that sort of thing

[00:15:11] That that is a major part of Hank Pim's character So I will go ahead in the show notes and I will put the timestamp for when we get done discussing Hank Pim So that if you want to skip that part of it

[00:15:26] You can definitely skip ahead to that point So I will make sure that that's in the show notes for y'all and anybody who who does want to skip that Definitely feel free to now Ryan did you read

[00:15:41] Antman or did you read Avengers were you familiar with it growing up? I was somewhat familiar. I like I knew about the stories I didn't read the stories these stories for myself

[00:15:56] In tell like doing my research I kind of went back and looked at some of the issues I have Marvel and limited and verified so I did a lot of this research through Marvel database on fandom and kind of went back to the issues and verified them

[00:16:14] Just because you'd never trust a wiki rate, but But what about yourself? I read I read the Avengers just started reading it Free John bird coming on but right around that time and so at that point time

[00:16:29] It was yellow jacket in the Avengers and so I had no yellow jacket as Formally Antman formerly giant man formerly Goliath and so I thought it was

[00:16:40] Interesting in this movie how it is as I mentioned before it is two characters that they separate and kind of merge into one movie Yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah, there's there's a lot of really interesting pieces here

[00:16:52] We'll talk about that especially once I get into the comic history of Darren cross and hope in dying Some of the some of the interesting choices that they made but So I'm gonna kind of go character by character here so we're gonna start with Hank Pim

[00:17:07] He was introduced in tales to astonish number 27 Stan Lee and Larry Leaver wrote that one Jack Kirby drew it So is his very first introduction The relevant story beats for him. He is one of the smartest people on earth

[00:17:26] He was a founding member of the Avengers like we mentioned he's also in the comic books the father of Ultron this happened in Avengers number 54 in 1968 It's interesting here is Hank Pim was the yellow jacket in the comic books so Basically a lab accident leads to

[00:17:48] Hank taking on a new identity aka the yellow jacket and quote on quote killing Goliath who at the time was known to be Hank Pim And kidnapping he he also kidnapped as part of this Janet Van Dine

[00:18:04] Proposing marriage to her because it was the 60s Janet decided that it was better to play along and preserve Hank Pim's mental state I guess um Stan reasonable right except the the marriage proposal there was a wedding They had the whose who of Marvel comics at this wedding

[00:18:26] There was a the attack by by villains as with every wedding in the Marvel universe and Throughout the fight Hank snapped out of his yellow jacket personality and became Hank Pim again

[00:18:45] um they decided that again because it's the 60s the marriage was legal and you know what why don't we just stay married because a marriage that starts in kidnapping always ends well right I mean it worked for me my wife so far

[00:19:04] So around the time of the wedding Scott Link approached Hank Pim and was given permission to be the second Aunt man I will talk about him a little bit more in a second

[00:19:18] But throughout the 70s and 80s Hank Pim was Hank Pim was often written as verbally and eventually physically Abusive towards his wife Jane of Andine He was a deeply unlikable character during this time Most of the problems came from the fact that Jane of Andine was wealthy

[00:19:37] Well Hank was not there was also obviously the creation of ultra on that weight very heavily On Hank and was a constant kind of weight on his mentals Hank developed a plan to Interrupt a court martial hearing

[00:19:53] So through an Avengers mission Hank made a mistake and was going to be court martialed for it um whole or uh Janet Protested against the plan to to attack and interrupt this court martial and Because of this protest Hank Physically struck Janet in the comics In Avengers

[00:20:27] 213 in August of 81 Hank was expelled from the Avengers in the ensuing aftermath he also divorced Janet So this is actually kind of a big Like comic book people kind of know this right they know the the wife beat or arc this is a

[00:20:46] Pretty pretty infamous arc if you will in marble comics um Eventually I and I'll just kind of wrap up the comic book story of Hank real quick eventually He found his way back into the good graces of the Avengers Became part of several teams west coast Avengers

[00:21:07] And the mighty Avengers he would he joined the mighty Avengers. He took up the mantle of wasp in memory of Janet who was dead at the time He's also

[00:21:19] He has been dead in the comics Hank has been dead in the comics since April of 2015 when Ultron took over his body There have been some recent comics as of like last year that

[00:21:31] Kind of point towards the ability or the possibility that Hank is Hank's consciousness is alive somewhere in In the body but That that's kind of where Hank is now um So some off page

[00:21:46] commentary here that I did want to share is Jim shooter who wrote the famous art or the infamous arc that involved Hank abusing Janet wrote on his website in 2011 that he intended for the incident to look like an accident But the artist Bob Hall

[00:22:04] Used an exaggerated motion that made it seem more deliberate now Hall Bob Hall has come out since and said I was new to the industry If you consider five years new he was new to the industry And he did

[00:22:21] Mistake and lead draw too much intent in his drawings I personally think that that's kind of coverage like that doesn't that doesn't ring true to me um as far as the like I drew to my I drew him Accidentally striking too hard or whatever not to mention like

[00:22:45] On purpose or not it happened and so like I think Hank Pym was like I like I said a deeply unlikable character and Would have been a challenge to bring into the comics or into the movies as such

[00:23:01] There's no way there's no way of with that arc you could bring that character in in that in that way right And regardless you know whether they you know while I drew him being too aggressive

[00:23:15] Okay, that it still was drawn in a certain way and you still told stories and built upon it afterwards So I don't think you can say it was mistake. Yeah, yeah, and they they

[00:23:25] We'll get into this a Hank a little bit in our movie review, but they've read conned like why he was so angry and all that stuff and it They tried to save the character and it's just

[00:23:37] Just not good man. Not I think when they tried to write it is like hey I was just trying to watch the game and she wouldn't get off my back Okay, no, it was terrible. It was awful like I mean it's a it's a very

[00:23:52] I can imagine and I can imagine As I don't know in eight year old reading this and you're just like what is going on here? Please yeah, you know that that part is tough I'm glad that they didn't Translate the movies for sure

[00:24:06] And I'm glad they still have the Hank compare although I'm glad they had the Hank of character in the movie like that You know me do seem as being kind of gruff which yes, as far as I'm gonna make him go for sure for sure

[00:24:20] Well welcome back anybody who skipped the Hank pin content The TLDR is he was not a good dude not a super chill cool dude So moving on to Scott Lang Scott Lang was introduced in Avengers 181 in December of 1978 Written by David Mishleen

[00:24:41] Michelin he up yep and John John by John burn His story was kept pretty intact for this movie to be honest with you guys Very very very similar origin story was a thief got caught got in got put in jail

[00:24:59] Except instead of basking robins he got hired at Stark international about it when he got out of jail Eventually it would lead to where Scott would steal the ant man suit. This is probably also on an unfamiliar to anybody who watched the movie

[00:25:14] To use against Darren cross this is where it diverts a little bit so Darren cross which we'll talk about in a second but Hank pin Use uh or I'm sorry Hank pin followed Scott Lang after Scott Lang had stolen the ant man suit

[00:25:33] to see what he was going to do with it and Basically gave Scott permission to continue to use the ant man suit as long as it was it was for lossful Lothal use

[00:25:45] From there on out Scott basically operated as ant man when Hank had fallen out of favor with the Scott did turn down initial offers to join the Avengers as well as Offers to join a few other teams favoring time with his family time with Cassie instead

[00:26:05] He the the story of divorce from his wife Did did still carry through that's in the comics he he divorced his wife so Cassie is He's kind of the he's fighting for custody and that's sort of thing Scott is the primary Ant man

[00:26:25] That probably most modern comic readers are familiar with Hank pin fell out of favor Way back when like I said he came back and forth, but Most people are probably familiar with Scott Lang if you are a modern comics reader

[00:26:44] Moving on to Darren cross so Darren cross was introduced as Darren cross in Marble premier Number 47 January of 1979 Becoming ironically read the astonishing ant man. I say that being ironic because At Darren cross was introduced as yellow jacket in astonishing ant man number 12 in September of 2016

[00:27:14] If you pay attention to the production notes, you know that that is well after this movie was released same writer draw a same writer artist combo For Barvel premier number 47 as Avengers 181 so David Michelin, Michelini and John burn

[00:27:39] Darren cross in the comics is a self made millionaire who created his own company Cross technological enterprises he had a heart problem and invented a nuclear or organic pacemaker this gave him powers but also wore out his heart

[00:27:56] So being a super cool awesome millionaire he just decided to kidnap a heart surgeon doctor air Cassonheim and just start kidnapping people from the slums to keep him alive. Yeah super fun Eventually Scott Lang would come into the picture and save Dr. Sondheim to

[00:28:21] So that he could so that he could get Dr. Sondheim to help Cassie So his daughter Cassie had a heart problem Dr. Sondheim could help her This is the this is Remember when I talked about Scott Lang stealing the ant man suit

[00:28:38] This is what he used it for he used it to go save Dr. Sondheim in the process he killed In the process Darren cross was killed

[00:28:50] And his son Augustine took over the company and was a minor part of an ironman story in 1981 so all together a very very Small part of the comics now in the wake of renewed interest in the character. I mean Totally legit story reasons that don't rhyme with honey

[00:29:09] Augustine revived Darren from the dead and Darren went on to become the yellow jacket in 19 or in 2016 So yeah Darren cross Kind of a Trid it or kind of starting the tradition of like let's use a name from the comics and

[00:29:28] That sort of has something to do with what we're doing and let's bump it up into a bigger role Hope me and dying Was introduced in the free comic book day 2016 civil war two issue Yeah may of 2016 written by Brian Michael Bendis drawn by Jim Chung

[00:29:55] Yeah, that's after this movie came out because Hank Pim did not have a child in the comics other than his many creations and a Child that was conceived by Tigra and the clone age clone of a scroll agent who was using Hank's genetic template in conceiving this child

[00:30:15] Yeah comics are weird sub-taskas, but But yeah, so hope and dying is a creation of the of the MCU She was not in the comics at all I Think largely to be able to bring in a

[00:30:32] age appropriate wasp right you had if you if you weren't gonna do Hank and Janet You had to do something else and so this was their way to bring in an age appropriate wasp to Scotland So those are all of our main characters

[00:30:52] A concept that's introduced in this movie that I want to talk about just real quickly is The quantum realm so the quantum realm is a Pretty significant part of Marvel comics Well

[00:31:07] Not the quantum realm but we'll get there in a second it was very first introduced in Captain America comics number 26 March of 1943 written by Ray Cummings and drawn by Sid Shores The first intro to this was actually Captain Bucky a voiding being killed by acids

[00:31:27] So they changed size and they went into a microvers This is a parallel universe that is accessed by compressing matter to appoint the forces them through Multiversal nexus into another universe The microverse or quantum realm Is not a world that exists within atoms I

[00:31:48] understood it to be as such for a very long time, but it is not it is Basically your matter gets so scrunched up that it forces its way through If you want to think of a doorway into another universe into a parallel universe

[00:32:07] That is the quantum realm got him so lost. I know it's it's the best way to think about it is it's just comic books Just it's a door that's so small you have to be really small to get through it. Okay, I can get behind that

[00:32:19] There you go In the modern age this concept was introduced in the store in a storyline where the fantastic four shrink doctor doom And he ended up in the microverse conquered worlds brought the fantastic four down and tried to trade them off his slaves

[00:32:36] The fantastic four are saved by Scott laying antman in this story This was fantastic four number 10 through 16 in October of 1963 through two through April of 1962 So a couple really interesting things here quantum realm is actually not what this was called in the in the comic books

[00:32:58] Intel after it was mentioned in these movies The quantum realm was so closely as I mentioned there It was kind of Mostly used by the fantastic four in their story lines is so closely wound up in the fantastic four that fox had the rights

[00:33:14] At the time of this movie to the idea of Microwverses So they could not Call it that and so in the MCU they called it the quantum realm which I would argue is maybe a little bit cooler

[00:33:27] I don't know sounds cooler than microverse to me. It sounds cool. And it's better than that enhanced garbage They came up with for the mutants, but I'm not bitter. I'm fine So yeah, those are some of the comic backgrounds that we have

[00:33:43] You know like I mentioned Darren Cross being kind of elevated Plucking name and give them more personality And I believe Hope bandine is the first I would argue main character that is a full MCU Creation creation Hmm

[00:34:09] Her power set is not not an MCU creation, right? She's just using the wasp but Yeah, today I think you're right. I think you're right Which is really interesting for anybody caught up in the world of marvel because

[00:34:25] We're on the precipice right now of well actually this will release after these all came out So what if season two is going to introduce a MCU original character as well That's going to have a full Like a full original power set and everything

[00:34:46] It's a indigenous American character that gets a hold of the test erect But that that will be introduced in what if season two which will be out by the time that you're hearing this so

[00:35:00] Yeah any time that you see somebody say oh, I'm so you didn't create a character in totally created I think it's clony No they created hope bandite So That all be and said I know you talked a little bit about this David

[00:35:19] You talked a little bit about your knowledge of the the comics and having read the comics I'm sure that influence kind of what you were feeling

[00:35:29] Going into the release of this movie so when you when you were going into the first viewing what was it like what do you remember? Again, the going into the release of the movie. I was still curious why He had an appear today

[00:35:44] I don't I feel like he could have at least had him appear in the last Avengers movie Maybe towards the very end and then you could have his separate side story but going into the Antman standalone film I was curious about how they would

[00:36:01] Poor tray the character who had this very troubled background and How they would take that one character create two characters affective for the for purposes of the movie And I enjoyed Paul Rudd quite a bit as a communicator. I wasn't sure what to expect as a superhero

[00:36:21] And I and I was just like I said this is going I knew this is going to be a different Much different film than perhaps some of the ones we'd seen the really super heavy CJ out there's lots of CJ on this one

[00:36:34] And so I was looking forward to an expecting kind of a lighthearted fun Like a heist movie so I was pretty excited to see it you Yeah, I was pretty excited as well Still comic book Viewings I don't have the button around here

[00:36:49] So I can't post I wanted to social this time, but I do remember thinking like oh we're taking some different places in the stable right we just took Guardians of the galaxy we're now gonna do Antman

[00:37:05] You know we're we're we're taking different characters out of the marbles marvel state stable to see what what works I will say I was I was pretty excited I because my knowledge at the time was a little bit less comic book centric

[00:37:24] I was hanging out at the comic book source so I read some comics but I wasn't a voracious reader at the time I knew Antman as Hank Pim because my dad Was read had read

[00:37:39] Avengers comics and that sort of stuff so he knew Antman as Hank Pim and so that's kind of the knowledge that I had right So I wasn't necessarily expecting Scott laying to come in But I will say I was I was also at the time

[00:38:03] a pretty big fan of Edgar Wright so I was when Edgar Wright was originally attached to this I was actually super stoked. I was like that that feels right you know Antman is

[00:38:15] Can be a little bit silly right especially in a modern sense like it's best to do the guy who shrinks as a little bit silly and so Having Edgar Wright tied on I was like all that sounds awesome. I was a big fan of the Coronetto trilogy

[00:38:32] I was a big fan of Scott Pilbham versus the world at the time and so like I was like oh cool That sounds really good and then you know fell out and all that good stuff

[00:38:44] So yeah, I I remember you know wanting to go see it and wanting to go see it with the comic book shop and all that good stuff and Like you get initially it was it was really fun it was really a good time at the movies so

[00:39:04] It's entertaining but I remember I will say that the other thing I do recall is a little bit of skepticism isn't quite the right word, but how are you gonna make this character into a one-off movie? I mean Antman always struck me as

[00:39:19] a companion person within the Avengers and so when they made the first one I was like okay Well, they're going to have to do something fun and light with it to make it interesting it can't be

[00:39:32] You know can't be super heavy can't be and so and I was super and when I heard they were making a second in a third one

[00:39:40] I think they did a good good pretty good job with the first one kind of just flat but at the time I was like I don't know like Stenlin Hope Hulk film kind of sucks like yeah Hope they don't mess this one up for sure for sure

[00:39:52] All right so we were getting back to it this month David what what were you thinking going back into this movie The big thing I really wanted to Focus on this time around was the quantum realm piece which I had

[00:40:10] Kind of I remember it in the movie, but it wasn't at the forefront of the movie and which we see a lot later on in the MCU And just to see like how just to see how they originally

[00:40:25] Lade the groundwork for what will be a very huge like story arc so how about you? Yeah, I think Mine mines a little less deep to be honest with you. I was I was excited to get back into this one

[00:40:41] It's one I I wanted to watch it with my wife which Little bit of behind the scenes. I usually watch these movies two to three times Yeah, throughout the month to prepare for these The first time it's always with my wife I

[00:40:54] Partially because I really like to get her perspective on it. It helps in rich kind of my thoughts and and give you guys more Interesting things as we go through this podcast and then the second and Third times I usually watch solo whatever

[00:41:11] But my wife did not like this movie she doesn't like M-M-M-She she doesn't like these the the Aunt Man series of movies And so I was really excited to kind of go back to it and be like now that you've seen kind of where he ends up

[00:41:28] Let's rewatch it and My wife liked it. I still I was excited to get back into it also for my own good just because I do like them. They're silly they're fun I like a lighthearted romp especially after like sibling deaths in ageable tron and

[00:41:49] You know, we're on the precipice of some really heavy stuff with civil war and we have the growing conflict of the Avengers and we have

[00:41:59] Captain America winner soldier that was really heavy and so like kind of just a lighthearted romp was definitely something that I was looking forward to in the MCU here with with a man sure and Conversely I watched these movies alone at In point one speed

[00:42:21] Crying to myself why it takes 12 hours to watch times kidding the the The other thing I was kind of curious about was like how on rewatch like how How enjoyable it still holds up to be and

[00:42:38] The other thing in just our own kind of quirky nerdyness support is a kind of rank in the overall MCU You see a lot you know the worth 30 plus movies in You know as it's still as highly rated it is certainly

[00:42:49] I think it's one of the better origin stories. I think it's pretty good entertaining It's you know, unlike a lot of films that I think they do and see films I thought they do a really good job just this little standalone property if this were

[00:43:01] The only one you watched and you are not Ryan's wife who hated it originally It's it's a fun little watch For sure All right well Before we get to our actual breakdown We are going to hear a quick word from our sponsors so Catch us after the break

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[00:44:35] I think it's only $45,000 I think it was I think it was tales of suspense 39 because I have Iron Man well that's right Tells anyway the first the premiere of Iron Man so

[00:44:48] Alrighty y'all well let's get into what y'all came here for because you didn't come here for the witty banter I maybe did But let's get it to the movie So it's 1989 one year after pill Peter Quill was scooped up by Yondu and guardians of the galaxy

[00:45:07] We're back at the Triskeleian which we last saw in Captain America winter soldier Can we see a DH Hank Pym interrupt a meeting between regular age how are start and age up Piggy card and piggy carder and Mitchell Carson and Mitchell Carson who's about the same age

[00:45:25] Hank Pym is upset to learn that shield has been looking to replicate the pin particles Which he created and Carson is a hydropidive who worked undercover for shield as the head of defense And after shields collapse he continued to work for Hydra

[00:45:45] Through his business dealings with cross and so Carson attempts to buy The Yellow Jackets suit for Hydra, but the deal was disrupted by Antmeon I will also say so This is a very little thing

[00:46:04] One of the comics I read when I was a big comic book reader was deadpool Everybody read deadpool at some point or another, but one of the arc or one of the like frames It's not even an arc. It's not even an issue But it has Deadpool stealing

[00:46:20] Trying to steal Pym particles and he mispronounces it as Pym Articles so You guys will probably hear me like slur those words together and mispronounce it because I don't know what it was but that joke as juvenile as it is absolutely just stuck with me

[00:46:38] So throughout this description These descriptions if I say Pym particles that you're welcome So Pym refuses to share his secrets because he knows that his prep proprietary technology would be used Dangerously in the wrong hands

[00:46:58] Pym vows to take his secrets to the grave and resigns from shield after they attempt to steal his research a little bit different than getting fired from the Avengers We cut to a scene involving Scott Lang in prison

[00:47:12] Lang is a career criminal who fights another prisoner in order to jump him out of the prison gang They share a laugh and Lang says you guys give the weird you guys have the weirdest goodbye rich rules

[00:47:26] Scott departs saying quentin prison where he is greeted by Luis who is there to pick Scott up in He and notices his going away scar this leads to a pretty funny moment and a popular meme Scott how's your girl man? Luis oh she left me Scott oh

[00:47:48] My mom died my dad got supported but I got the man I'm gonna cut the van Yeah, that van will come back like weirdly that that is one of the major pins from this from this movie is that man so

[00:48:04] Keep keeps tabs on that jumped right at me The thing that really bothered me about this scene is when they're leaving and they're ostensibly driving from San Quentin prison Two San Francisco It is not that long a drive and where they have that view

[00:48:24] That's not going to San Francisco. That's that that is when you see the golden gate bridge in the background They're like in the marine headlands. They're like they're going to the country side

[00:48:33] That really I mean, I get that you want to have it for the view because it's amazing But San Quentin it's it's it's a turn You get on one one and you head in cross the golden gate bridge and you're there but I'm just gonna

[00:48:48] There's a couple this is your tech ran. There's a couple yeah, this is my tech rat There's a couple ones that we'll get to where I'm like that doesn't exist that's Not accurate that's Cleveland that's not Washington DC. I don't know how to

[00:49:02] Double things bothering you so much No, it's fair when you've been in those places. I've noticed it even like Even places that I haven't lived necessarily like

[00:49:14] When I watch fast in the furious and like they're all over LA and they'll jump from like a street to another street that's halfway across town And it it's one of those things where it's just like you couldn't I mean, I get that their photo genic

[00:49:29] But you couldn't use the actual places come on now. Yeah So from from prison Scott is confident that his masters degree in electrical engineering will enable him to get a good job You know, maybe it's stark industries just kidding is stuck working for basking robins And then

[00:49:49] Basking robins who always finds out Finds out about his criminal background and fires him fun little nods in this scene here so Scott's fake name on his name tag is Jack and his co-worker who he asks to deal with the idiot at the counter

[00:50:08] Are is Darby these are references to Paul Rudd's children Jack and Darby. Oh, that's fun. Yeah So from there Scott returns Scott walks home past a pingle those a ad Uh

[00:50:25] To the Milgram hotel which Milgram is actually a reference to al Milgram who is a comic writer and artist In the Milgram hotel Luis is cooking waffles and he meets Dave Scott meets Dave and Kurt

[00:50:44] Luis tells them about Scott's been never linked crime where he hacked into his former employer and had stolen funds Uh And he had returned stolen funds to the banks customers Luis tries to talk Scott into one more job. But Scott is completely out

[00:51:02] So one question I have for you on rewatch and it wasn't clear to me is Scott a career criminal or is he just like this sympathetic One time robin hood criminal it it like based on how and we'll see a little bit later on but I

[00:51:19] Couldn't read I couldn't quite tell yeah, I think I think the like understanding I had was a little bit more like a Robin hood And maybe his his former crimes were a little bit more Excuse me petty Maybe they were like

[00:51:40] Small small jobs whereas this was like the big one that got him in trouble Okay But no you're right like it there's definitely they definitely dance Depending on who's telling the story and like What you need to feel for Scott in the scene?

[00:51:58] Like a little bit later when we get into his conversation with his ex wife and her Her new partner it makes it feel like he's a really bad guy who's been doing bad things for a long time

[00:52:11] Versus here it kind of feels like I just pulled this one job like he saw a problem with his employer and fixed it So it definitely kind of cross threads a few times. Okay, I think that's a really good could wait to put it the depending upon the

[00:52:27] The perspective and how they want to kind of paint him as sympathetic but also painting is like a little bit of a screw up sort of yeah Yeah So then we see Hank Pym is visiting Technology firm that he founded Pym Technologies

[00:52:43] Pym is greeted by his protege during cross and his estranged daughter Who has a got off a wig on hope being done and Mitchell Carson as well as a 10 rings operative behind him There is and if you watch closely throughout this movie there is a

[00:53:03] Ten rings operative in the the scene where aunt man actually attacks Pym Technology, you'll you see him get knocked out and you see a 10 rings tattoo on his neck pretty clearly So kind of a cool tie in if you remember 10 rings is

[00:53:19] The terrorist organization that kidnapped Tony Stark also freed the fake mandarin from jail and then we'll actually come back later in the MCU Here in another phase or so Cross has discovered some old Pym tech

[00:53:41] Shinking research which he reduces to the or which he reduces the relative distance between atoms And increases strength in proportion to reduction of mass This is a very same Pym technology Or the very same technology that Pym had hoped to keep a secret

[00:54:02] We see old videos of an ant man fighting during war But Pym says that that's a tall tail Old man jokes never get tired I Also liked the dare and cross jokes at the concept of a shrinking human sounds like a quote tail to astonish

[00:54:21] When hey, hey, look at that comic book reference to tell students down at number 27 1962 Yeah, and the archival footage that they see here of the ant man kind of fighting Couple things about it one is the tank that's in it is number one five three

[00:54:39] Which you actually see tank number one five three come back later as a keychain of thanks So clearly it's the same tank the other thing here is that this was actually footage that Edgar writes team had shot

[00:54:56] my understanding is that this was going to be part of the prologue And it was going to show Hank on an operation in Panama And this was actually like shot by Edgar right in his team

[00:55:10] This at this our car archival footage this might have been the the footage that they filmed that they Had intended to show a Comic Con as well One of the things that was a little bit unclaired in but I think I know the answer is that it

[00:55:25] You know, they're showing this footage and no one is really reacting like no one everyone seems surprised at all I'm guessing this is shield archival video That was maybe outed at the end of Captain America The last Captain America movie oh yeah when when the one soldier

[00:55:45] Yeah, download it everything I think so that would make sense that make a lot of sense We talked about this a little bit. I think on the On our Super Secret Spoiler show four civil war

[00:56:00] But one thing I missed way at the beginning was this Triscalian do you think it Do you think the idea of the Triscalian and I know again we talked about this on the Super Secret Spoiler show

[00:56:10] So we're rehashing a little bit but for the folks who aren't behind the paywall Do you think the Triscalian was In the minds of the MCU people right so Kevin Feige all um Prior to Captain America the Winter Soldier or was it just a concept they introduced in

[00:56:30] Winter Soldier and then we're like oh this was cool. Maybe we should also add it into Antman It's a good question. It's it's If I were to guess I would say the latter probably they used it in Winter Soldier

[00:56:45] And thought hey it'd be kind of a funnel not to reuse it again In a movie they was set prior there too right I just I don't think I I mean it might be that they had a plan the entire time

[00:56:57] But I think if they probably just reused it again because it thought it was it'd be like a cool little nod I agree because I feel like we should have seen like Nick Fury walk into the Triscalian in Avengers or Totally you know

[00:57:12] There's a million times where we saw shield stuff that should have probably taken place Yeah, I agree So from so back to the movie here cross After he he exposes that he knows about the Shrieking technology he announces the development of the yellow jacket battle suit

[00:57:33] Shrinks the person wearing it and allows them to conduct surveillance industrial sabotage and carry out other protective actions Hank tries to talk across out of manufacturing the yellow jacket Hope tells her dad that they haven't been able to shrink any life subjects yet

[00:57:50] But hope realizes how dangerous the technology is and If it was sold as a weapon and Hank says he found the guy So funny thing here is the yellow jacket suit actually in the promo video as well as throughout the movie uses the ATAT blaster sound from um

[00:58:13] Star Wars totally so I Clocked that I actually clocked that later on during the battle, but when I went back and watch I Realized that it was used earlier, so that's pretty fun. Yeah, it's fun. I like it

[00:58:26] I like it when there when somebody said you know it would be a really good sound. Let's just reuse this one from before Like who's gonna kill it? Yeah, it's fine

[00:58:35] We see Scott who wants to live on the straight and narrow path and to reconnect with his dog Our Cassie so he shows up uninvited to her birthday party Where he is stopped by his ex-wife Maggie and her super chill fiancee Paxton

[00:58:53] Scott dislikes Paxton is a police officer and calls him an ass hat quote Maggie encouraged him to get a job in her apartment and paid child support and she promises Promises him visitation rights

[00:59:05] She says Scott is Cassie's hero and tells him to quote be the person she already thinks She are So we cut to pin technologies on treasure island where we see one of the pin employees Howard who is in the restroom

[00:59:20] Ping and install with what I would note is with the seat down Super weird Dairy confronts him about how it's concerns regarding the yellow jacket and shrinks him into like a gooey splatter

[00:59:33] Says quote, we still have a workout all the bugs swampwamp another dad joke and then flesh is frank down the toilet so A few things here one I Can't believe the dare was that upset about Howard's transgression is to kill him

[00:59:49] Putting that aside. I know but a couple things one the again. I'm gonna nerd out on Bay Area geography, but that is that shot is taken of treasure island from the view of San Francisco There's there's some development there, but not much

[01:00:04] But you would remember that building you would remember that area from the From the Indian and Jones film where they have it is in the third one where they take off from the blimp It is also seen in other novel move that is escaping my

[01:00:24] Memory at this moment. I'll recall later on, but basically this whole CJ this thing and then if you look real carefully in the upper right hand You'll see a Bridge in in the background. I live not too far from there. So oh, that's cool. Yeah

[01:00:37] But the other thing which kind of and again the And I don't know why this bothers me so much about movies about people looking fly and That can't really talk me back to this and stuff, but just the concept of an executive

[01:00:55] Killing you know super evil and then killing someone at work where there are cameras where his car is like This seems impossible to get away with and still bothers me enough now to talk about for two minutes, but

[01:01:11] I mean he did it in the bathroom where there shouldn't be cameras right and and like there's no body But you know, but but Howard went to work Howard scanned his batch to get into the office. His card is there

[01:01:24] You could see him in the common hallways on video camera walking probably to the restaurant You know 30 seconds later. You see this You see his boss walked in the same restaurant and only one of them walks out. Same way Put that aside so

[01:01:40] Since murder works up everyone's appetite Darren decides to he joins hope at dinner where he talks about the longstanding anger He is held for Hank He tells her that Hank's failure as a mentor and a father forced us to spread our wings It being they're they're

[01:02:01] Bring up bring it all the singers With no other choice Scott decides to go back to his old burglary gig. He returns to his old heisting crew and asks how to no And ask to know about the tip and

[01:02:14] Then Luis goes into this very fun bandering story about red wines and a girl named Emily and a dude She's dating named Carlos and a big ass safe in some old guys basement And it's very funny. It's one of the I

[01:02:31] Since I love Luis in this movie and yes fund the reasons why I just honestly Disney plus series that's just Luis catching everybody up on the MCU. I'm here for you Yeah, oh, yeah, just yeah at for anything like you just okay

[01:02:44] I was wanting to make us our nesto, which is mainly reds and you know, I don't love reds You know what and it's just like stuff like that. This is so funny cracks me out but Scott goes

[01:02:55] You know Scott asked about it goes white and Kurt says old men have safe And Luis says and he's and he's gone for a week and Scott says all right there's an old man

[01:03:05] He's got a safe and he's gone for a week. Let's let's just work at that Work with that after this long meandering story so There's a fun Hised prep montage which occurs Luis gets the electronic tools a Dave gets the new wheels and Kurt gets a uniform

[01:03:22] Dave cut the landline jam sell signals Scott is able to easily enter the house and fake fingerprints fingerprint in order to gain access to the quote Bigass vault Scott is on his you know communications with the folks for the guys who are in the van and

[01:03:39] He says it's a carbon Dales from 1910 made from the same steel as the Titanic And Luis is like wow you can crack that Scott's like well here's a thing It didn't do so well in the cold remember what that iceberg did Luis like yeah, man killed the caprio

[01:03:54] Dave says Kill everyone Chris has did not kill the old lady she throw the jewel into the oceans and which again such a I did not do justice to that bad accent but um So he Scott flexes his old Berkeley muscles and easily breaks in the safe

[01:04:10] But put it water into the Walking mechanism and freezing it with nitrogen Ice expands water doesn't and the safe door just basically freezes and falls off so However, that when to go inside the only thing he finds is a weird motorcycle suit and a helmet

[01:04:27] And meanwhile Scott is being watched by an aunt who is trained to be in the video into a series of monitors that Henry pin is watching so We cut to Darren cross who's trying to perfect shrinking organic matter and experiments on a lamb

[01:04:43] Long story short experiment 34 c fails so bring in experiment 35 c So if you've had for any moment of that you There's any doubt that we should dislike Darren and that he would end up being the bad guy in the movie

[01:04:59] I think by now it's pretty well settled in right not super cool chill dude Articilled person and the experimenting on Poor lambs and terror those those like Failed shrink attempt murders or they're gross man those are Those are brutal yeah, it's super gross. It's you know

[01:05:20] And especially like because it's you know to animals that could be for you know especially like emotional for folks and so

[01:05:28] You know glad we haven't seen a lot of that recently but um so we see Scott he returns to his cruise hideout with the suit and the helmet And just puts him on out of curiosity and

[01:05:39] Surprisingly enough fits perfectly as a side note Michael the he and Michael Duggoes are actually I look this up same height and so it follows that it would fit

[01:05:49] Yeah, so he presses a button on the suit which suddenly causes him to shrink down to the size of a small insect A small comms device in the suit connects him to a mysterious man who tells him that the

[01:06:01] The world sure seems different from down the here doesn't it's Scott And we have this fun little video montage We're in the span of three minutes Scott nearly falls down the bathtub

[01:06:14] Then he falls through crack in the floor. He falls what looks to be a huge distance and ends up in a house party Lands on a record player scrambles to boygan stepped on

[01:06:24] Falls again through a great gets vacuumed up before punchy because when I out which is very funny Ascapes from a huge rat by sling shutting off a mouse trap through window and laying on a cab So and in that cab you might have seen

[01:06:38] Garrett Morris taxi driver former SNL cast character and he played Antman in a 1979 SNL skit Called superhero party which is great cracks me more is the very first on screen yet man Yes, which I rewatched because I'm just that nerdy and it's you know

[01:07:01] You're blue she show up is the hall cat's great. It's very funny very much a couple other things about this interesting one We get to see the the shrinking tech kind of the first time that it's actually on screen and they're very they do a lot of the

[01:07:18] Kind of It's like outlines of each size of of Antman as he goes down Which is almost exactly the same style as pretty much every time he's been drawn in the comics

[01:07:30] That's how his shrinking is depicted so it was really cool kind of to draw from this art style of the comics Put it into the movies and then the other piece of that is most of the events in this scene

[01:07:43] Including Garrett Morris's cameo are part of Tails to astonish I'm kidding about the Garrett Morris part but Cool right, but yeah, most these are are actually events from the tails to astonish introduction of

[01:08:00] No, I'm gonna I'm gonna pause here and just ask the question because it does not Logically follow every single time and I know I have to suspend disbelief as it comes as it relates to the science of this

[01:08:11] But does he weigh the same or does he not cuz he lands on top Cuz he lands on top of the taxi and crushes it but he'll jump on my shoulder and I won't even know he's there

[01:08:22] And I can't I can sell the two or should yeah, yeah, I think it's one of those things where like that has to be like oh because Hank is carrying the weight of a tank in his pocket That's the other one we see that Scott like

[01:08:42] Cracks the tile and Crushes the cab in this scene He lands on top of ventures and sets off a bunch of sensors right? Yeah, there's a lot of like I

[01:08:56] Guess it's just it's comic book movie logic and it's one of those ones where I think if they tried to over explain it this movie would not have been as good Because you just have to just have to be fun

[01:09:10] I guess yeah, and I also like the idea. I mean if you think about it too and you probably if certainly notice it really comics like Something that makes mistakes and comments are a comment sometimes it's it's inconsistent and

[01:09:21] They don't explain everything and maybe they wrote it and I was like hey, we're just gonna write it You know we're gonna use it each way and we don't mind that it's

[01:09:28] You know it's inconsistent. It's not really goof because it was intended that way and might be the case So yeah, so Hank is impressed with how well Scott handles himself in the suit and he tells him to keep it

[01:09:41] Scott is freaked out in response. No, thank you and tries to break back into the same house and return the suit Only to be caught by the police and is arrested and In while in place custody, Paxton is you see him and he's he is almost

[01:09:57] Gleeful to see Scott is arrested again Detective Gale tell Scott that he has a visitor Scott meets his quote lawyer who was Hank Pem who reals He was the one who dropped the tip to his crew who picked up on that and then let him to the suit

[01:10:14] Hank tells him to wait in a cell and await further instructions Those instructions quickly arrived in the form of ants that deliver Scott the suit form an ant count down clock 10 9 8

[01:10:28] Before Gale arrives find a gone Hank direct Scott to escape the jail and struck some to climb on a flying insect name 247 When we have a fun CGI flying scene through the same Cisco before Scott passes out and falls off the flying insect so

[01:10:44] The two things I noticed here well, well three things but one was wood hair slash Avon bark still playing a cop and that just still strikes To the wire I liked the the ants in the scene. I did like this CGI the ants

[01:11:00] I noticed they were interfering with the CCTV. They would still be able to hear what was going on But kind of kind of I don't know let's put that aside I also like how he is able to change clothes in

[01:11:11] Eight seconds, which is amazing. Yeah, but he's a secret Somebody who's gotten into a speaking as somebody who has gotten into a suit like that that's uh not easy Did you shrink down or you've committed by ants to jump through What's kidding? Oh, I was iron ran

[01:11:34] I am iron ram Snap anyway So yeah, so but a fun fun CGI flying scene get seen through Sam Francisco you know eventually passes out And falls off the insect and then he wakes up in a bed at Hank's house

[01:11:55] We see hope standing at the end of his bed watching him sleep because that's not creepy Hope heads downstairs. Well Scott slowly makes his way through a bunch of giant tropical bullet ants who are guarding him Hank and put or Hank and hope are

[01:12:13] About to or talking about how to take down Darren Cross Hank says that he allowed Scott to steal the suit and hope had him arrested She doesn't think that Scott is necessary and that they can do it by themselves

[01:12:28] Turns out Hank has been following Scott since his impressive Vista corp burglary Hank also explains how he communicates with ants he's got kind of uh Like it almost actually looks like a hearing aid And this enables him to go anywhere see anything and hear everything

[01:12:52] Which is a I never really thought of before But that's actually a pretty cool power like that's pretty impressive like if you really think about it Like I just you and I probably just think of the person they can go like get really small and and fight people

[01:13:07] But to have that army that was one of the things I completely Wiffton as it relates to like the extent of his powers. I think it's it's sort of like the It's sort of like the Aquaman effect right everybody thinks of Aquaman as this guy who's like

[01:13:24] Underwater and can swim really fast and breathe underwater but like Yusuke can command the entire army of secretures and and it's the same thing with Antman right everybody thinks of him as the guy who shrinks

[01:13:37] You know, which is funny too because a lot of people forget that he's also giant man and go lie it and Does some really cool stuff there but he also can like command ants which ants are pretty very

[01:13:49] Impretty powerful right and then just the ability to see so many things like saying very strong You know the you know based upon their their size and strength The I don't know if you saw but the the new there's a newspaper article which Hank

[01:14:04] Put's on the table and mentions a Sasquatch Which I think is a reference to the Canadian superhero Sasquatch. Oh nice. Yeah, that would make sense though makes sense and I I know Actually during the montage where Just this has to do with newspapers but during the montage where

[01:14:26] Scott is first Trying on the suit the Maybe it's when he's One of the two first times that Scott has the suit on He runs across a newspaper that's Reporting on Scobia Nice little eye into the University at large Um

[01:14:48] So from here Hank provides some backstory about Darren Cross and pins Oster from his own company Hope was the deciding vote but Came back to Hank when she saw how close Darren was to Recreating the pin particles Which are dangerous in the wrong hands Hank makes an offer

[01:15:13] To Scott in exchange for using the shrinking suit to help him with the job Hank promises to keep Scott out of jail so he can reunite with his daughter Disco-reduce believe in redemption Scott my days of breaking into places and stealing

[01:15:32] Stuff are over what do you want me to do? I want you to break into a place and steal some stuff We just funny is like okay got it like he's just on board. That's great. Yeah, yep

[01:15:48] During this we also find out that the the suit altered brain chemistry Which this was as I mentioned in my comic book breakdown This was kind of the retcon device that they used to try and salvage Hank pin Which Bah did not work all that well

[01:16:09] So we see some brief scenes of Maggie Cassie and Paxton Paxton says he's going to look for her dad Because he wants him to be safe Cassie says hope you don't catch him Just great It's so good

[01:16:31] We then then we see Darren successfully shrink a lamb in the lab which hope is observe a Hank tells Scott about Mitchell Carson X Head of defense for shield who's current business is toppling governments

[01:16:47] If Scott doesn't steal the yellow jacket and destroy all the data Darren across is going to at least chaos around the world Scott goes I think our first move should be calling the Avengers Hank says I spent 30 years protecting that technology from a stark

[01:17:02] I sure is held on in 10 to hand deliberate to one now This is not some cute technology like the Iron Man suit this could change the texture of reality Besides, they're probably too busy dropping cities out of the sky Man, too soon is right I

[01:17:20] was one of the things rewatching this scene I And it occurs to me like there are probably tons of these super smart and incredibly gifted Inventors and I just love the competitive side of like I just got that shunnyed like toy suit

[01:17:38] It's like yeah, yeah, definitely and that that was that's been in the comics quite a lot is like Hank Pim versus Tony Stark like it's more of a friendly rivalry than necessarily like a Anomosity but like

[01:17:53] It definitely that was one of the things that like was cool the sea carry over here Um, hope wants to wear the suit but her dad refuses and Hank can't wear the suit because it took a toll on him So Scott is the only choice Hank delivers

[01:18:13] Speech about losing his wife and Being the hero for Cassie and you mentioned you had a you had a note earlier Ryan talking about The suit that the impact it has or the pin particles has upon the where the wear of the

[01:18:31] Yeah, yeah, I think I mentioned it a little bit earlier, but yeah, I like I mentioned it's um It ulters the brain chemistry and it makes you go you know a little bit crazy a little bit angry and and My my take on it is that is the

[01:18:51] Recton device that they used to Try and make Hank Pim more likable in the comics because they want him to keep writing with him but

[01:19:05] Yeah, yeah, and the reason I ask is because the cross character will see him you know as we've seen in this movie so far We'll see later on seems to be really Almost unhinged and I don't think he has experimented on the him

[01:19:22] Particles on himself, but I was just this kind of thing where you know kind of like you see Loki in the first Avengers and Just they just the characters just seems so off tilt that you just wonder if something else is a foot

[01:19:35] So just thought of mentioned it so absolutely For the next few days Hank trains Scott on how to use the shrinking suit as well as the special head mounted device to control Collinies of ants they practice shrinking and hope explains the physics

[01:19:55] Hope when you're small energies compressed and you have the force of a 200 pound man behind the fist a 100th of an inch wide You're likable it you punch too hard you kill someone too soft. It's a love tap in other words

[01:20:10] You have to know how to punch Scott I was in prison for three years. I know how to punch Hope shows me Scott punches her hands. She says tear Scott you want to show me how to punch lift up his hands. Scott show me

[01:20:26] Punch just Scott in the face knocking him down that's how you punch Yeah, very funny little you're changed there Also funny thing in the comics so Antman suit or amends helmet is kind of actually really really cool in the comics and they don't explore it

[01:20:49] That much in these movies, but it houses his lab. It houses extra suits for him It's like a carry-all you just shrinks everything down and sticks it in his helmet. Let's go all Yeah, also speaking of the helmet the design of the helmet in this movie

[01:21:08] Looks very much like Ultron in the MCU which this which the filmmakers actually did as a nod to Hank Pym's creation of Ultron in the comics so it was kind of it was kind of meant to be like a visual

[01:21:25] homage to the fact that you know in the comics Hank Pym had created Ultron In turn learns of the friction between Hank and Hope which stems from Hope's mother Janet who allegedly died in a plane crash

[01:21:44] Hank Warren Scott not to mess with the regulator which would cause him to go subatomic and enter the quantum realm It means you would enter a reality where all concepts of time and space become irrelevant

[01:21:56] As you shrink for all eternity everything that you know and love gone forever Scott yeah cool even April Hey bro Hew the training montage Scott trains with ants practices hand-to-hand combat with hope Studies Pym technology security and learns about the shrinking and expanding discs

[01:22:23] Hope's resentment of Scott and her father eventually comes to a head and she leaves the house But she recommits when Scott explains that Hank recruited him because Scott is expendable So he would have to risk Hope's life

[01:22:39] Hope admits that she didn't know that Scott had a daughter when she called the police and on Scott and hopes And hope helps him attain control over the ants The of course in any kind of training montage you have the obligtory shirtless lead actor scene

[01:22:59] I do feel like it was a missed opportunity because if it were me in the prison scene I'm completely sure less like if I'm abstaining from drinking beer and eating french fries for six months you better believe Pop them shirt off in as many scenes as possible

[01:23:16] Yeah, yeah, and I will say Good on Paul Rudd he's not some schlobby You know He's looking good he's a he's a he's a he's a he was a non-schlobby comedy actor, but um It is funny to see all these you know come along Johnny like

[01:23:35] Chris Pratt Paul Rudd like the convenience you know when he get them to you know Blifts and weights and and Eat a bunch of you know brown rice and chicken can can can yoke out pretty quick So we we After Scott and hope return to Hank's home

[01:23:55] Hank reveals the truth to hope That during the Cold War Hank and Janet were shield operatives known as Antman and the Wasp He tells a story which happened in 1987 a Soviet ICBM was launched at the US And Antman and the Wasp were tasked with stopping it

[01:24:14] The only way to get inside the missile to stop it was to disable the shrinking suits regulator to shrink down to a subatomic level So Hank was unable to do so because his regulator was damaged So Janet did it instead and saved the country

[01:24:28] But also got trapped in the quantum realm a plane of existence only accessible by shrinking down to the subatomic level Hank's but the next 10 years learning about the quantum realm while keeping the truth from hope So she wouldn't follow in her mother's footsteps, but He

[01:24:48] End up accidentally pushing her away and Creating the rift between them that they are now only beginning to mend so I I follow the logic of it. I still think you could have said hey this is what happened But here we are

[01:25:05] Yeah for sure for sure yeah and I mean This is our introduction to the idea the quantum realm and and the quantum realm will be really important We'll talk about this I think a little bit more in the like relevance of this movie

[01:25:16] But the quantum realm is a really really important part of the MCU going forward so You know having a base understanding of like hey it's it's A place you can only go into if you're super small Is probably the best way to think about it, but yeah

[01:25:34] This was kind of our introduction to that concept yep. Yeah, so The job that Hank has for Scott is simple on paper Break it up him technologies steal the yellow jacket prototype and destroy all the research

[01:25:51] into replicating the technology behind the Monsuit. I mean it seems pretty simple to me, right To this and Hank is sent on a mission to retrieve a quote prototype Signal decoy from an old stark footage storage facility upstate New York

[01:26:07] Unfortunately that has now become the new ventures headquarters and it also unfortunately arrives he finds out that That they have really really good sensors because when he lands on the roof They quickly discover him and Sam Wilson slash falcon shows up

[01:26:26] They fight for wild for Scott wins and makes off with him tech So falcon get worked by Antman, but it's it is good. I think it's it's a I mean it Let's be honest he's not gonna do that against like you know Thor Hulk if you will so

[01:26:40] It is a it's a really fun scene the one thing that's a little bit strange about it So I actually pause to see if I could catch the voice that that Sam's talking to And I couldn't pick up who it was it's a it's a deeper voice

[01:26:55] But what's weird is it now they've come back and they have said that He was talking to Natasha Which it less Natasha's voice changes pretty significantly. I don't buy that Yeah, I don't yeah, I don't I did not notice the voice either

[01:27:17] But I love the idea of all the Avengers are inside and they're like Sam mature turn you gotta go walk with the sensor like oh man We were just getting into this movie, but yeah, so as the plant begin seems to be in the fall of a place

[01:27:35] However cross pays Hank an unexpected home visit To taunt him about a coming to sail on the yellow jacket suit and he invites Hank to his unveiling He also calls hope to inform her that he would be

[01:27:53] Increasing security making in their job that much harder to pull off The only hope that Scott Hank and Hope have is to enlist the aid of Scott's old crew to manipulate a

[01:28:03] Watering pipe and other pin safe guards to allow Scott to enter the building through its plumbing system So Scott we then see Scott visit Cassie in his Antman soup as she sleeps Before we cut to the final prep scene with the larger crew everyone knows their roles

[01:28:20] Including Louise who is excited for Scott's new girlfriend and it wants to add a little something to the role You know what I was thinking of a tactic like when I go undercover like a whistling

[01:28:31] You know what I'm saying it's like blend in. Scott's like no tune out whistle No whistling. It's not the indie griff show no whistling And so not one minute later and we see Louise Louise whistling the theme is however if it's a small world

[01:28:46] Which which cracked me up on rewatch? Before turned down the main water supply and then so we see a lot of cut action scenes Kind of quickly back and forth

[01:28:58] And I think as one thing to note we also had another Disney song book reference from the last Marvel movie Where we see Ultron saying his the no strings on me Okay, which I thought was kind of fun so

[01:29:15] Going through this cut action scene so Antman breaks into the building with the help of his ant friends Hope breaks into one room and installs a signal decoy

[01:29:25] Hank arrives and and as do Mitchell Carson some hydrogones with the help of electrical ants Scott suddenly sabotages the servers with the Elogic at data and makes their way to the chamber where the suit is kept and plants the timed explosives

[01:29:43] Cross mix a deal with agents of hydra and the 10 rings terrorist group to sell his new product Scott's crew are helping Scott reach the suit while also contending with SFPD outside

[01:29:54] Cross managed to stay one step ahead and trap Scott while preparing to kill Hank Scott breaks free while he You know, so do crosses men but Hank is wounded in the fighting Scott makes his exit with his customers and Scott gives chase after cross

[01:30:08] And hope and hey they keep the building on a Via a tank with Scott's inside men shortly before the explosives go off destroying the building Um ton of stuff going on here so

[01:30:24] One of the things I noticed a few things in filfried chimals that the refuse off stuff and these scenes as well Ryan, but one of the things I noticed was you went through the metal detector one of the items that Hank put down on them were kills

[01:30:36] And so wondering if that those pills to that medication had something to do with his use of the pin particles And kind of calls back to some of the mental health problems in the comics, perhaps um that was one of the things the stuff that

[01:30:54] The thing on also on rewatch they really kind of hammered helmets that the the the science so it changes the distance between the atom so that means the volume of the object shrinks while the

[01:31:08] Master remains the same so I think stuff is supposed to be as heavy but you know we'll say And so there is a Theory that that's not actually how the pin particles work, but that's how the how Hank pin explains it

[01:31:26] Because he's been super productive of his work and he spent his entire life to not letting the technology be disclosed and so almost like it's a throwing up. Oh yeah, here's how it works and makes it shrinks the atoms between

[01:31:38] you know the space between the atoms and mixing smaller but He's kept it a secret for so long and it just seems to me I don't know like your thoughts like that You know he's just blowing off Hank pin with some like

[01:31:54] Science mumbo jumbo that he won't question and if he says it later on it's like he's not giving away the actual true secret sauce formula so oh that's actually that's actually really interesting and yeah just kind of a red

[01:32:07] Hairing kind of idea. Yeah, I like that that I mean that feels a little bit like ret kindy retconning a little bit of You know mistakes oops is that we made but it's still fun. Yeah, yeah, so

[01:32:22] So Scott chases cross into its helicopter and the two get into a fight for cross-dons the yellow jacket suit again able to slip it on super quick, but it's fine the brawl of tumble's out of the chopper and they fall

[01:32:34] Freefall inside of briefcase before they land in a family's backyard Scott manages to defend off cross but is arrested again by Paxton Unfortunately yellow jackets ride the fight and going insane from his exposure to the pin particles tracks down

[01:32:50] Scott's daughter Cassie Scott breaks free once more races to his daughters home to saver Minuture CGI battle ensues as the two fight Scott learns that The yellow jacket suit is made of titanium the same material as the hull of the ICBM tank

[01:33:08] And his wife that that Hank and his wife stopped the only way for Scott to stop cross is to deactivate his regulator and shrink down to the milk at our level So just want to pause here to say that the Humor's fight scene with the tank

[01:33:24] Which I love it so much. It's so good and it does make you realize the calmer dick those This is like these two very miniature character fighting But I wanted to point out that hit entertainment who owned the Thomas the tank engine I peed

[01:33:42] Had a few conditions on the characters you so Thomas always had to have a smile on his face He had to be completely neutral in any fight scenes that he was in a part of and

[01:33:56] This is the this is the real catcher had to have a parrot and speak in a Russian accent Which got cut from the scene, but I just I can just love the idea of like just the contract negotiations

[01:34:08] They're just like yeah, it's gotta be smiling. It's gotta remain neutral. Okay fine. And For what I read to they couldn't tie anyone to the tracks No, I was like one of the the stipulations to his no one could be tied to the tracks

[01:34:23] So funny so funny so Scott decides to make the sack fight similar and remembering he is he's an engineer and he's pretty smart So he's not just like some you know You know

[01:34:33] Me and you who's got the suit on like that. He actually kind of understand and so He shrinks down enough so that he can sabotage the suit from the inside Cross this killed as his suit and floats while Scott finds himself trapped in the quantum realm

[01:34:47] But hearing his daughters, please Scott is able to reconfigure his regular to escape for the quantum realm and return to reality Scott returns from the quantum realm fills Hank with hope that he can see his wife again No pun intended their apologies

[01:35:04] listener Hank opens door it to see hope and Scott kissing quote shoot me again Is the quote so a couple really quick things and then we we see just to wrap up Scott Maggie packs in Cassie and

[01:35:19] During a dinner where packs and tell Scott that he won't be going back to prison Scott thinks packs and for all these time for Cassie Scott then gets a work call Hank's Heist and crew get another promising leader job one involving the Avengers so

[01:35:34] A few things here so I don't know if you noticed it in the quantum realm as he's passing through you see a figure which looks like female shaped with wings and so You can hardly heavily hinted towards maybe that's true Okay, it's Janet let's look at ourselves

[01:35:55] But say pack in a pass this through I like the a couple of things to point out is The Stanley cameo as a bartender who in Louis's story is says that a woman looks crazy stupid fine Which again The fun little like Louis like yeah

[01:36:17] Students sounds like a badass man like it comes up to him and he says and then as the Falcon is mouthing You know, I'm looking for this dude who mow and seen it was flashing this fresh tech got like bomb moves

[01:36:28] Right who you got like this is funny like montage and that's how he with the And so it goes on to say and I'm like damn I get all nervous because I keep mad secrets for you bro

[01:36:40] So I asked Ignacio did badass tell the super fine writer chick to tell you to tell me Because I'm tied with that man who says he's looking for him Scott says and what do you say? Louis said he said yes and so

[01:36:53] You know, and you know hello and then welcome to the vendor or so Yeah, and we get a little in that montage. We also get a little Sposable spider man Yeah, she's like yeah, well we got everything that is we got a guy who jumps

[01:37:14] We've got a guy who swings we've got a guy who crawls up walls you've got to be more specific Yeah, and I think you're right. I think at that point in time They kind of hint at it On the unlikely hope that Sony would ever allow

[01:37:27] Spudendam to ever be in an MC property which is never going to happen. So I also do want to close out our phase two Amputation Amputation Yeah, so the first thing to shrink When Darren is imploding the first thing to shrink is

[01:37:55] His arm I don't I don't know if that's gonna qualify as an imputation my man We might have to find one of the ants Um, say the way yeah So that's our movie David let's let's jump straight into it. Let's let's get into it right

[01:38:12] Why was this movie significant to the MCO? Significant for a couple reasons it brings back one of the Original OG super heroes in Antman and also the Wasp We and we bring in the quantum realm

[01:38:31] Which which is that I think that's like the biggest thing there are no stones There's no Avengers there's no You know Talking raccoon and tree super hero it's just it's this the stand

[01:38:46] On story but it's still they they do a very very good job of incorporating and laying Groundwork for future movies how about you anything yeah, I think that the so Definitely quantum realm there's there's a lot there as far as like

[01:39:05] Introducing some concepts to the MCU in in the quantum realm and some of those things the other big I guess like How do I want to word this? Kind of conceptual introduction here the idea of passing mantles right

[01:39:27] It's it's really I think important as the MCU developed that they develop a way to Not have the same actor have to play the same character forever, right at this point in the MCU

[01:39:43] This is starting to pick up steam as something that could last for a long time and having Chris Hemsworth play Thor when he's 80 does it make sense right like that that's not something that

[01:39:55] Can really happen and it's also in the comic books there they're like mantles being passed is a Is a pretty constant theme Whether it's from father to son or Mentor to protege and this movie by by kind of introducing Scotland and Hank Pym's dynamic introduced that

[01:40:23] That idea and It Introduced it in a way that Marvel was able to Avoid the mess that is Hank Pym and his actual history and and again they could just Completely ignored the whole Just the Hank Pym you know Trajects not tragic story but like

[01:40:49] Negative story if you well completely ignored it. I do agree with the mantle piece We we see it in this movie we will see it in other movies Right and shows going forward and it's a cool concept for them to have brought in

[01:41:04] For for this one for sure The I'd say the other thing I think is really significant about the movie is the Introduction of a few key characters that we will see in Future movies right so we see antman In future movies we will see

[01:41:27] You know Falcon in future movies, but one of the funny thing is kind of that I this kind of interesting when they did this movie When Michael Dougal signed up to this movie

[01:41:37] He only signed up for one year for a while for one movie and they had to kind of quickly scramble After the success of the movie and they're like hey, we're gonna make another one of these and he's like okay my price tag just went up

[01:41:51] And so I you know the like like said the significance is like you're saying passing the mantle piece I don't think when they made this one. I'm for sure know that they did not I they did not have Subsequent movies with him cast the other might have had

[01:42:06] subsequent sequels planned But Michael Dougal is who's not necessarily part of I'm glad he came back because he was great in the next one as well Absolutely definitely definitely agree and and I Just a quick side note for anybody who heard my cat in the background I apologize

[01:42:23] He got into the studio this time so Decide to be a little bit of a while one there. We've well we've never had a cat appear on any of these podcasts Certainly not a cat on my side, but All right David well let's let's move into our

[01:42:41] MVP here so We do have a Tradition of not picking anybody who's been picked before and I don't think either of us have picked Falcon and he's about Our only returny I guess Peggy and Howard, but I don't think either of us have picked Peggy or Howard

[01:43:00] And I don't think we would in this movie she was um I think she was an honorable mention in one of mine earlier One to think for the first Avenger, but I am not gonna pick you to one of those cool

[01:43:13] So let's let's see here David who who is your MVP for this move? I'm not gonna overthink this it's Paul Rudd. It's and man like he's great like the hope if it's To pull off a character who is

[01:43:28] Humorous and can come across as as as smart and loving dad and this kind of reformed felon and To assume the mantelpiece and be super hero like he does a great job

[01:43:43] If if if if Ant man if the character playing M and fails the movie fails and they're not doing any more of these That's It's gonna make a tough when we get to

[01:43:53] M and two and M and three and other stuff, but I'm gonna find someone else how about you? That's fair. That's fair. And you know what I I know in the past we've tried to avoid picking the same character

[01:44:05] Like between the two of us, but honestly this one I I I'm gonna break that rule and I'm gonna it's fine echoing. I think Paul Rudd's got laying Ant man Really was he was the star of the show and he did such a good job that

[01:44:24] He's deserving of it and and that's not to say say that there was nobody else good I think Scotland was just so far in a way better than anyone else in the movie that Yeah, he definitely deserves it there. Yeah, I mean the only other one I considered

[01:44:40] Series would be Michael Douglas like them quite a bit in the role, but it it's not It's not fair. So I'm saying it has to be Paul Rudd. For sure. All right. Well let's get into our rankings so

[01:44:54] For those of you unaware we do rank these top third middle third bottom third Basically we're at 30-ish projects in the MCU so top 10 middle 10 bottom 10 David I'm gonna pass it to you first where do you put this one?

[01:45:12] It's a good it's a I thought about this quite a bit. This is one of the things on rewatch I really I wasn't sure where it would sit because it it you know it is Definitely not bottom third

[01:45:26] I'm gonna put it in the middle third middle third is pretty vast I would say it would tend towards the upper tier of the middle third so kind of like not top 10 but like just below that for me

[01:45:41] That's kind of you know I had to think about it quite a bit, but I think that's probably where I'll put it It might be that there are other projects bump up into the top third bottom of the same middle third how about you

[01:45:52] I agree um I I I know our our numbers show that we do better when we disagree but You know what I'm

[01:46:01] I am gonna say you know, I think mid third top of the mid third you know over time as more projects come out and we expand to top 20 You know, it may be if it's in there. I think it's probably in that like In that 15 to 20 range

[01:46:19] Definitely in the top half I would say if you were splitting it in half Definitely in the the top half of DMZU So would you put this above I don't remember where you put like ironman three is that middle tier for you?

[01:46:34] I can't remember I think I might have topped here today. I think this is in a class with ironman three Gotcha, okay All right y'all well remember to check out puny pod on your social media of choice We are on everything just as puny pod PUNY POD

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[01:48:29] So the one last thing I do want to mention is our next episode will be a little bit out of the norm so As mentioned we are at the end of a phase here. We are at the end of phase two

[01:48:41] So our next episode will be a phase review so we won't be reviewing a movie but instead We'll kind of look at the phases a whole we'll bring out our our facial hair rankings from our Patreon show I think we also bring out our Nakedch

[01:48:57] casting and talk about that We will really will solidify not just top third middle third bottom third but actually wear These movies belong in the overarching ranking of the MCU so far So it's a it's a fun show and it's a little bit of a break to

[01:49:21] To not necessarily have to watch a movie right away Which is nice with the holidays coming up for us here. I guess this is released after the haul Holy cow I just realized David

[01:49:34] This episode will release as our pot of nursery is it on the 11th note on what day? Well, I don't know that we recorded that a lot of this last time. I think but it'll this will release in January

[01:49:47] Which is when we released our very first episode on iron man We also released legends which by the way the numbers say you guys haven't listened to legends as much Go listen to legends David did an amazing job with the history of the marble company

[01:50:04] go check out legends but Yeah, we We've made it a year dude. I think yeah, I think we did I remember recording the for and we'll get into it And maybe and they phase two review but yeah, I remember we were I distinct remember us recording

[01:50:20] I think on the 11th last year Yeah, it's been a year as wild wild wild All right, like they say time flies when you're watching marvellous movies and going through the quantum realm

[01:50:34] Trying to give a sub atomic levels and yeah, but yeah, the phase two will be a fun review We just look back retroactively on things

[01:50:43] It is you know we will kind of nerd out kind of tied together some of the stuff that we've seen and so rather than What was Ryan's original suggestion to splice together all the podcast so it is a 14 hour episode

[01:50:56] We're like hey, let's do something it's more humane Hence the phase review Absolutely well. Thank you all for listening and remember puny pod will return All right David so we had a mid credit and a post credit scene. I'll go ahead and grab the mid credit scene here

[01:51:40] This was you know one of the bigger legacies of the movie So we do see in the mid credits Hank leads his daughter hope into a secret room in the basement and tells her there's something

[01:51:52] I want to show you he then shows her something incredible an unfinished prototype lost suit That he and his wife worked on wonderful see that again Yeah, the in the main in the part of the movie where she says she wants to dawn the suit

[01:52:12] Do you feel he was just like oh I got something for you. I can't I don't want to spoil Christmas gift but it's right downstairs Yeah, I've got it Yes, we did it's not gonna fit you You know, I can't it's only when I've made and

[01:52:30] Like we talked about a little bit in the comic book history piece You know this this is Important because this does give us a wasp even though she doesn't exist in the comics and it does avoid having to deal with

[01:52:49] The uncomfortability that is the dynamic between Hank and Janet right right so yeah, so we don't we don't see a Hope in the comics, but we definitely see a wasp Which we will see later again and then we get to the post credit scene

[01:53:08] Captain America and Falcon find the winter soldier in an Undisclosed location where he is stuck in a vice like contraption Falcon asks should I call stark No Capriplize Falcon says he knows a guy in reply and playing that helping cap is a job for Antman

[01:53:29] And then the screen fades black promising another that Antman will return Yeah, yeah, and this one was cool it's funny because I've I've seen Obviously I've seen civil war which is our next movie that we will get to and this is a Rousseau direct Rousseau brothers directed

[01:53:52] After credit scene and that kind of gives us some Pull to civil war we do hear the winter soldier theme in the background, which is the distorted version of bucky's screams from Captain America the first Avenger and and without spoiling too much of our own content I

[01:54:12] I will say the line that like follows this in Civil war because this scene almost exactly is pulled back Is one of my favorite in the MCU because it was at the time a dig at

[01:54:25] DC where DC like made their heroes make up and become friends because they knew each other's mom's name And literally like the next line passed this after credit scene once we get to Civil War will be like Oh, he's cool because he knows your mom's name

[01:54:42] It's pretty great. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm definitely looking for our next movie Yeah, me really good Absolutely Cool Well David, I think that does it for us here at puny pod

[01:54:57] Everybody we will see in the phase review. That's always a good time go out and join some marble content in the meantime and We'll check you next time. See y'all