Puny Pod | Phase 2 Episode 3 - Captain America: The Winter Soldier

[00:00:00] Welcome to Puny Pod, the podcast who will ask this now before we get started. Anyone want to get out? Welcome to Puny Pod everyone! We are the podcasts that rewatches the MCU in release order. We also release some sweet Marvel news when there's Marvel news to talk about.

[00:00:43] I'm Ryan and my co-host who is so... fire. Just kidding. Just kidding David, you're a fire. Uh, it's David! How are we doing this week? David? I mean, I know it was a little late but good God. It's black. I at least you didn't lose a superhero's costume.

[00:01:00] First, you tell the fans to get out and then you tell me I'm fired man. A abrupt start. I do. I know the best move, like the best quotes from this movie were so aggressive.

[00:01:13] And I was just like, I guess that's what we got to do this time? That's okay. I gotta keep you on the toast. I'm doing well. How are you? I am doing fantastic. I'm doing fantastic.

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[00:03:24] update on the schedule of things come. We can get into a preview also to upcoming MC show Loki season 2, which I for one of them were looking forward to. And I know Disney is just like, oh, think I'll be having this. We've got something.

[00:03:42] Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we'll get Loki. We'll get the marbles there. There is, you know, it may become our current content show for a little while, depending on the way things go with

[00:03:54] the striking actors and that sort of thing. So but with that all being said, let's get to the meat and potatoes of why we are here. Why you're listening to this episode? This episode is our

[00:04:08] rewatch of Captain America, the winter soldier. And as always, we like to start with some production details. So David, why don't you give us the dates? Sure. Behind the scenes, Captain America, winter soldier released April 4, 2014. It is the sequel to Captain America

[00:04:26] First of Ender. And it was announced in April 2012. So we are in phase two, this is the third installment movie number nine. Rentime is two hours and 23 minutes. I believe to date was the longest

[00:04:41] marble movie in one of the longs from forever. The financials, the production budget, sorry, was 170 million up from 140 million for Captain America at the first venture. Opening weekend, 95 million, domestic rose, 260 million, worldwide rose, 714 million as compared to the first

[00:04:59] Captain America movie, which is about 371. Wow. Yeah. So up quite a bit, worldwide gross in 2014. It was number seven behind X-Men days of future past, which I enjoyed and right ahead of dawn

[00:05:11] of the plan of the apes, other Disney properties that you're guarding at the galaxy, made this better man to be here six all came out. So pretty big, marvel year. All done by Disney at the time.

[00:05:26] Well, now, done by Marvel Studios at the time. And it ranks the movie ranks number 18 in worldwide gross behind an MCU film is behind Thor 11th under and Dr. Strange. So Rod to Beads, people love this movie. Critics 90% audience 92% I'm at 100% but I don't want to

[00:05:51] spoil it for folks. It is directed by the Ruth O'Brothers, Anthony and Joe Russo, rest of development community. They were hired early in June 2012 to direct. Others considered were F. Gary Gray, who did Friday in the talent job, who turned down the offer to direct

[00:06:10] in order to helm straight out of Compton and George Nulfi, who did Ocean's 12 in Born Old to Madeham. And so when you see the winner soldier, you can see why oh, we'll take the director

[00:06:23] from the talent job or Born Old to Madeham makes perfect sense, right? Yeah, I think the Russo brothers were quoted as saying this is a political thriller that happens to have a superhero in it.

[00:06:35] A few times during the press for this movie and that sort of thing. So yeah, it would make sense that they would use action director. And interesting but also try to I guess. Yeah, but also

[00:06:45] interesting that they chose to directors who Prince Benofrecombe is right? And I guess they had an episode in community which drew the attention of Fige and others and that's why they were approached to the movie. It is written by Stephen McPhilly and Christopher Marcus, who you may remember

[00:07:05] if they have written prior to this, they wrote Thor Dark World, they wrote help right Captain America the first venture. They are the number one into most successful screenwriters of all time. They also, yeah, they've written in addition to Avengers movies, Captain America

[00:07:24] these are Chronicles of Narnia. They've done paint again, they don't cap America series and so they're up there. The cast returning cast in order of not billing but in terms of screen time Chris Evans returns as Captain America, Scott James, and her chances in Natasha Romanoff,

[00:07:46] Samuel Jackson returns as Nick Fury. We have the introduction of Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson, Sasha Falcon, Robert Redford, have your heard of them as Alexander Pierce. We have Sebastian Stan, returning as James Buckley Barnes, the introduction to Frank Brillo as Brock Romano,

[00:08:05] Max Melano, Hernandez's Agnad Jazz Percid will appear as Toby Jones's Armin Zola, Colby Smolders as Agent Hale shows up for a few minutes and then Emily Van Camp plays Kate Slash Agent 13 slash Sharon and lastly Haley at well, her surprises are role as Peggy Carter. These

[00:08:25] were not necessarily all the original characters. Alternate casting Sam Wilson was originally Michael B. Jordan was considered for the role later. Yeah, totally. I guess Anthony Mackie wrote he was a huge fan and wrote a series of email please to Marvel wanting to play any comic character

[00:08:46] that would appear on film. Eventually he was repeatedly replied to them that they would respond to time, but caught the attention of Kevin Feigue then offered a role. Sharon Carter was a number

[00:08:59] of different actors, audition for the role. This is Beth Olsen who would get role as the Wanda Scarlet Witch, Karen Gillen who would be Nebula, Allison Brie who was considered for Black Black Widow and Captain Marvel, Melite Clark who shows up in the MCU and Kendrick,

[00:09:20] Fluffy Jones, so many names before the final edge of Emily Van Camp to play the role. The contract stuff, Chris Evans made a tidy 3 million for this film as opposed to 3,000 as first

[00:09:36] of Hanson made 6 million after making 6 million in the Avengers and I couldn't find out how much Anthony Mackie made, but in Avengers it was an old 20-bit 100 grand. So I'm guessing I'm

[00:09:49] guessing that I got 10 money. Wow! Yeah, they ran out of money by the time to get to Sam. By the time to get the Anthony Mackie, but anyway, I'm glad he stuck it out. So those are the products that's behind the scenes for Captain America, the Winners soldier.

[00:10:05] Well, thank you for that. Thank you for that. Yeah, and I think some of that, you know, you were talking about the amount of Marvel content that came out in 2012, right? And I'm thinking back now, right, because one of our next questions for regular listeners listeners of

[00:10:24] the show, they know we're about to go into the what was your first viewing of this like. And I remember like it was like every month, something Marvel was coming out. Like you said there's the obvious stuff, right? The amazing Spider-Man 2, which,

[00:10:43] you know, I love the amazing Spider-Man movies. I think they're really fun. They, you know, I think we're going back and discovering how good they were. At the time, they weren't necessarily beloved. It was a really good time for X-Men movies. The days of future past stuff.

[00:11:05] Really good. First class, that was all a really good time for X-Men fans. What else did you say? There's six. Yeah, big hero six, which not everybody realizes is Marvel, but that's one of the causes I champion is talking about that

[00:11:24] being Marvel. It was like it was just like every time you went to the movie theater, there was something Marvel to watch, which was really cool as a Marvel nerd like to get to watch all that.

[00:11:36] Guardians of Galaxy, that's 14 was a bang or ear. Like you're saying like every few months it was something coming out and to your question about my first viewing, I remember really looking forward to this movie. I didn't remember seeing, I don't remember my first viewing as I mentioned

[00:11:51] the last podcast of Thor Dark World, but I distinctly remember going opening weekend and just being super pumped in, you know, big audience. Everyone was like kind of on the edit scene. This is where

[00:12:03] you're starting to see this kind of this build-up of these movies as seen by the fact that did so much business. How about you? Yeah, comic book story. Yeah, comic book, comic book store.

[00:12:15] I went with them. I'm looking at my pins right now. I did not save that one. Our tickets for that comic book store were little pins, which I'll talk about once we get it looks like to

[00:12:31] age. Well, Tron is the first one that we'll talk about that with. But but yeah, so went with the comic book store again, that was one of those times we just talked about all the

[00:12:44] movies. They were showing all those movies and so I was seeing these people all the freaking time that year. That was like hit after hit after hit and beyond just the Marvel stuff there was

[00:12:57] other nerd franchises that were doing a lot of things in the time. So I was spending a lot of time at the movie theater with my comic book friends during this time. And so this was a really,

[00:13:12] really great time and honestly kind of one of those like I look back on it so so fondly because I did I did structure a lot of friendships around this time where I was seeing these movies.

[00:13:27] So they do have the Stalgy factor for me. They have very, very strong Stalgy's. So yeah, if you're looking at movies from that year, it's like Transformers, the Hobbit, Guardians of the Gods who live sent Hunger Games like just you know all we were eating. We were

[00:13:46] absolutely eating at that time. Now days you're just hoping for crumbs of content because to writers, strikes and the director. But yeah, no it was it was definitely a time it was definitely time when we really start to look forward to it. And I remember

[00:14:08] wanting going in and at the time, like wanting to just see them just continue to build on top of moving on top of moving won't be the next movie. Do you remember at the time? And I

[00:14:20] I'm asking this to lead towards me being able to tell a story but do you remember did you have any predictions for what would happen in this movie? Oh, before seeing it. Before seeing it, yeah.

[00:14:36] No, I did not. I remember seeing the trailer and it's thinking this was dope. But I didn't have I didn't envision like where we go. It sounds like you did though. I did. I was almost certain this

[00:14:48] was going to be death of Captain America. Oh, let's do it. I think we, I think we knew that Agent 13 was was in the movie. I think she had shown up in some marketing materials and things like that.

[00:15:05] And for those who don't know Agent 13 in the comic book continuity, kills Captain America. She, she's hypnotized by Hydra and in the aftermath of the comic book Civil War, kills Captain America. That's an eight Steve Rogers. And so I was almost certain that somehow that

[00:15:30] was going to happen in this movie and it was because and like credit to Marvel, they weren't announcing six phases out at the time. So you didn't know that there was Captain America Civil War

[00:15:42] on the horizon. And so you, you could have very much just thought, okay, this is this is the end, right? Spoiler alert for our review that doesn't happen here. But that I remember that was like going

[00:16:00] into that first viewing. There's like a weird sense of memory that I have of sitting in the movie theater, especially during the last scene of the movie thinking, is this Winni Dice? Did they change it?

[00:16:13] Is it not, or is it not Agent 13 who's going to kill him? And so yeah, there there there was I have this like distinct memory of sitting there thinking that. Obviously, I was wrong and it

[00:16:31] turns out good that I was wrong because I think we got to see some like I think Captain America's days or his best days are still ahead of him in the MCU. So how would have been wild? Like they kill off

[00:16:46] what could arguably be like and again, we'll have to maybe this is something for to film the content first of all. There should be like arguably maybe one of their best casting, one of the best characters

[00:16:59] and kill them off. I would tell you what, right now, I would have taken that wager for me, my man because I would not have not foreseen that. You could certainly see later on

[00:17:10] after you know, after somebody's done you know four, five, six, seven, eight and they just I'm done with that since when he'd be down, I just want to be out, kind of like he cares

[00:17:18] it forward and like the star was, as far as I can just kill him earlier on the movie, I just want to be down with this stuff. But I you know, that did not occur to me. Now let me ask you this, when you

[00:17:27] having just rewatched it, did you have what what were your thoughts going into it? Had it been a while still seen it like what was your what were you thinking? Yeah and and real quick just before I

[00:17:40] say that one thing I I will also mention to put you guys in the headspace of 20 or 20, 14 when you're watching this for the first time. The other thing to keep in mind is Chris Evans had been

[00:17:53] publicly criticizing, the way the MCU kind of controls their actors. This was in the wake of Snope Erser and Chris Evans trying to actually break out of the MCU a little bit. He was at the time,

[00:18:09] I would say that public sentiment was that Chris Evans was not in love with the MCU, the way I think he has come back to it and has really loved it. And so it watching it through that lens is

[00:18:21] interesting and and it it's that's to flow to segue us right into the question you ask of, you know going back to it. I think that's one of the cool things about watching it now is

[00:18:35] you can recognize where the actors were at the time but it's really cool to see like how one they acted through that right Chris Evans performed extremely well in this movie. Like there

[00:18:47] there is no way you could look at his performance in this movie and say he was tired of it or anything like that, that doesn't show up on screen. But two it's you know it is it's really interesting to

[00:19:04] one think of the way things were but then also with the context of the way things have developed. And so I was excited to go back and watch this one. I don't watch this one often.

[00:19:17] No particular reason other than one it's long and I tend to try, I'm a completionist when I watch movies I hate to turn a movie off in the middle. And so this one is a little bit long

[00:19:33] to kind of turn on on a Sunday afternoon. I'm trying to do other stuff and to this one like sucks in my attention. Like I do enjoy this movie a lot and so like to sit down and

[00:19:49] watch it I have to like sit down and watch it. I can't. Can't be too long. Exactly exactly. So I was excited to dedicate some time to watching it. I do enjoy this one. It's got a lot of really

[00:20:03] fun little things. So I was excited to get back to it and yeah how about you David? So I will you know without jumping ahead too much I love this movie. This movie is

[00:20:20] one of my favorites in the MCU and we'll kind of talk about it as we talk about rankings and so forth a little bit later on but I was really I wasn't worried about holding up. I've been going through

[00:20:35] it the second or not second. But in going through it on a subsequent viewing I wanted to look at kind of the some of the character relationships if you will. I remember being struck the first time

[00:20:50] around about the chemistry between Scratch-Anson and Chris Evans. But wanted really like folks a little bit on Fury, the Captain America Fury relationship and then to really kind of pick

[00:21:04] up, pick up on the Shield Hydro stuff a little bit more that was kind of a big element of the movie which when you're first watching it didn't quite make sense and then just always like

[00:21:17] the little Easter eggs, the payoff to the previous films, the things that they're pointing to in the future films. And then and I really enjoy the Winners Holder. I think is an underrated villain

[00:21:29] in the MCU and so always appreciate his performance. Yeah for sure for sure yeah it definitely I looked forward to it more than Thor Darkworld. No this is great man. I didn't think

[00:21:46] that was an emergency like Thor Darkworld was as I mentioned before it was a number of starts and stops and it took me like over a week to complete the movie because I think I was taking

[00:21:55] that out so it's got a tickle break from this this movie Fantastic Love it. Absolutely. All right well before we get into our breakdown we are going to take an ad break so stick around

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[00:23:18] other strap and single writer. So this movie opens two years after the battle of New York Steve Rogers is out on a jog in Washington DC well he's jogging he runs past a man who later

[00:23:33] introduces himself as Sam Wilson several times during this jog he passes Sam on his left which pin that for later. Wilson tells Rogers that he used to work in the army but is now now he works in the

[00:23:54] debriefing section after the jog Wilson and Rogers have a chat about how Rogers is adapting to the modern world. Rogers mentions the differences between his time and modern times he mentions you know

[00:24:09] no polio is great super helpful Sam recommends that he listens to Marvin Gays trouble man soundtrack to get up to speed on the last few decades Steve adds it to his list which is kind of fun

[00:24:29] it's a kind of fun shot where you get to see several cultural milestones in the version that we get to see in America we see I love Lucy on there we see the moon landing we see Berlin Wall we see Steve

[00:24:46] jobs we see disco we see typhoon star wars slash trek which is kind of a fun little thing there you're welcome band the boys Nirvana Rocky Rocky two question mark and then you see him writing down

[00:25:03] trouble man which was an as an aside was a little you know on rewatch kind of struck music I always thought for whatever reason is what's going on by Marvin Gay and and I watched it

[00:25:17] like that trouble man it's okay album it's no what's going on but that's funny I do like some of the variations and so what I didn't realize is if you watch this in another country your list is different

[00:25:29] so in UK it's like Sherlock Sean Connery in 1996 World Cup final you're in Korea it's like dance dance revolution G. soon park in the 2002 World Cup or Australia a CDC steaver wins skipy the bush king

[00:25:45] rude tim tabs and so I've thought that to be kind of hubris like not just kind of want to watch those versions yeah go find go find them and watch them yeah what what country do you think had the

[00:25:58] had the most interesting list oh good question um uh the Korean one is pretty good yeah I pre-Korean one's pretty guys how the ones for like South America had some interesting ones as well

[00:26:14] but Australia we're going looking at skipy the bush king guru which I've never heard of in Tim Tams it's like okay yeah that well that's what's funny is in context this is an American soldier

[00:26:25] on American soil catching up on you would assume American things so to catch up on distinctly to catch up on distinctly Australian things like Tim Tams and skipy the bush kangaroo

[00:26:41] is a little bit silly like the UK things had you know there there's an anglophile world is a big thing in the US especially during this time doctor who was huge I remember and that's sort of

[00:26:56] think so like you know there there there probably was a contingent of people in the US that were in the know about Sherlock Sean Connery in the 1996 World Cup but skipy the bush king guru I'm a

[00:27:11] I'm a fan of Australian things and I can't even say that I'm aware of skipy the bush king guru Darba and so after he finishes writing out his list he gets a text from Natasha who says hey meet me on

[00:27:29] meet me out in front of the capital and the chapins to be where he is Natasha shows up in a new sponsor a Chevy Corvette so not an Accurat or a Audi

[00:27:47] with a fun little quip about needing to pick up a fossil and a fun little bit there from Natasha so Natasha picks up Steve and let's him know that there's a mission the mission at hand is to

[00:28:06] rescue hostages of a shield vessel that has been hijacked by pirates which is called the Lumerian which hilariously is misspelled on the computer screen in this scene it's actually spelled differently here and later in the movie you know somebody's just getting like this is their last

[00:28:28] time they've ever here in the marvelly that came in you can't even spell it correctly come on it right um and the Lumerian star is also a reference to Lumeria which is a underwater race under water city

[00:28:47] which is a rival to Atlantis where the submariner is and also home to deviance which you don't know about yet but deviance so Rogers Romanoff and strike who is led by agent Brock Rumlow

[00:29:09] fight the pirates and rescue the hostages Rogers jumps out of jumps out of a plane without a shoot to begin the rescue by taking out a number of pirates and Natasha is busy as the fighting goes down

[00:29:27] and we see a pretty awesome battle between Cap and Batroc the Leaper who is in comic accurate colors Batroc the Leaper is a comic book villain who wears purple and yellow

[00:29:42] is wearing purple and yellow here and he is portrayed by GSP George St Pierre who is famous in the mixed martial arts arena so if you recognize that face that's why it is a it's a super fun fight

[00:30:00] and in in fun fact actually throughout this whole movie Captain America does not fire a single bullet and that is especially noticeable in this first fight he throws a knife at one point and he's obviously throws a shield but in contrast to Captain America the first of

[00:30:20] engine you're not seeing him actually using guns and very very much more of his defensive kind of stance right right I like to I did like the fight scene special when Batroc tells him

[00:30:35] that you know basically or just press with the shield it puts the shield off and then just it's just to kick you the ass it's great yeah yeah um in this scene Cap is also wearing a

[00:30:48] version of his costume that is very stealthy it looks a lot like his suit from the secret of engines and his shield is a dold kind of version of the shield there's no red on it it's blue and gray

[00:31:02] matte it's very like undercover I think kind of pointing towards what strike is meant to do right they're kind of an infiltration right I love this costume I think this that I will see if you

[00:31:18] ought to keep this one in mind this might be my favorite costume it has but I have a question for you about the shield okay do they just breathe painted every time or do you have more to one yeah

[00:31:28] that's the question right because how much of a brain you do they have to be able to keep making new shields or you know are they just I would think they just painted I think the

[00:31:41] I think the just painted yeah so as Steve finishes off Batroc he eventually finds Natasha who's on her own secret me mission she's extracting shield data from the ship you know on to a USB drive the battle is one but Steve is wary of the situation

[00:32:04] so yeah this is a really fun kind of infiltration scene sets the tone for the movie of kind of some super spy action I turned to Lisa during this scene during my first rewatch of it this week

[00:32:16] and I said is this the best Natasha like super spy moment that we get in the whole MCU I think it is other than maybe her solo movie but hmm I have to think about that that's a

[00:32:31] good question I do like how you know you know early on and you know Natasha has talked about the mission well see that there's dual missions going on the thing I noticed on rewatch is like

[00:32:44] shouldn't he just be soaked because he just went to the water and he's just just squishing around everywhere but no this is I what I like really much what I like quite a bit about it we jump right off into action

[00:32:57] it sets the pace early on it definitely like you're saying there feels like they kind of like espionage you know political movie which which turns out to be yeah and and I think the other

[00:33:12] thing that I should mention here that's kind of constant throughout the whole movie especially and it's especially in this scene is Natasha is constantly trying to find a date first Steve even throughout this whole fight she's like suggesting different people from the shield that he should

[00:33:29] ask out which is kind of funny yeah I have my theory we'll say for the super secret spoiler show but I have my theory story that is fair enough fair enough so from there Roger's heads to the

[00:33:42] Triskellian which is this shield headquarters located in Washington DC to confront Nick Fury Steve is angry with Nick Fury for lying to him Steve says I can't lead a mission when the people I'm leading have missions of their own Nick Fury says it's called compartmentalization

[00:34:00] nobody's built secrets because nobody knows all of them there's a little bit of a callback to if the Avengers we were taught you know there's a lot of talk about how Nick is the ultimate spy he knows everything right um Fury then introduces

[00:34:16] Rogers to project insight a program that will neutralize threats before they even happen project insight consists of three highly advanced shield helicopters that will circulate the earth these helicopters will use precision weapons to kill enemies of shield

[00:34:31] Rogers says I thought punish the punishment usually came after the crime Fury tells him that shield takes the world as it is not how they want it to be Rogers replies by telling Fury that

[00:34:44] shield that what shield is doing is not freedom but fear later on Rogers visits Captain America exhibit at the Smithsonian which is which is narrated by friend of the network he hasn't appeared on any shows but we all like him Gary Sinus

[00:35:13] I thought I would say Jack Plodnak nevermind well that would be great no but yeah so Gary Sinus is the voice of the exhibit we do see three displays of the howling

[00:35:28] commandos and bucky barns he watches a video cap watches a video in a theater where we see agent Peggy Carter paying tribute to Captain Rogers who fought through a bouquet she says he saved over

[00:35:46] thousand lives that day including the man who would become my husband as it turned out yeah one one thing of note here in in the Smithsonian so there's a kid who recognizes cap

[00:36:05] that is actually the Russo brothers nephew so they the the Russo brothers you're going to hear us like over and over and over again talk about people they put in these movies so yeah they put

[00:36:20] there and if we were friends with the Russo's pretty good chance we're going to be an extra somewhere you also see and it is trust me you know when would know just it on rewatch but

[00:36:33] Avengers director Josh Weedon is seen as the man where Captain America T-shirt he was going down the escalator with little points Smithsonian I have just one small critique of this scene is that

[00:36:47] we are right now at the Aaron Space Museum where they have spare-saint Lewis and other planes in rockets and his display should be at the National Museum of Reckton History and so this is

[00:36:58] really this thing or to be quite a bit now I know why you do this because it's cool when you walk if you've ever been to the Smithsonian if you ever been to the National Aaron Space Museum it is awesome

[00:37:10] I just I but really wouldn't be there so yeah it's funny I commented the same thing and we're going to lift our skirts again we have notes here that we keep for each other and we we kind of

[00:37:25] play off of that and I went in here to add actually a note about that exact thing and I was like oh David noticed it tool too cool the other thing that I kind of glazed over real quick is on their

[00:37:38] way down to project and say Nick Fury is relating a story about his grandfather who operated an elevator right kind of a trust but but be secure type of story it ends in his grandfather

[00:37:58] carrying a 22 in his lunch box this is a direct pull from Samuel Al Jackson's life who where his grandfather also carried a 22 in his lunch box yeah that was I look yeah it's a fun story actually this grandfather was a elevator operator for for the listener the actual

[00:38:22] story is his grandfather was an elevator operator not you know carrying a gun is lunch box the the thing that I might have let's you know the one thing I would say on the rewatch

[00:38:36] part I should say I used to live in the DC area and so there are certain points in time where I see some of the landscape some of the geography and I'm kind of like oh this doesn't quite make sense

[00:38:48] and so the just kind of being located where it is like right on the Potomac you do have a very small island there but it makes it the way in which it oriented especially when you when it goes around

[00:39:02] it's it's not right it kind of upsets me so that's like living in LA and watching like any movie said in LA I'm sure for you in the Bay Area that hits you sometimes too with some of those

[00:39:17] I feel like all those just play play the fast and loose with geography oh you mean when when they're supposed to be driving to say like the East Bay but they're growing towards San Francisco

[00:39:27] and stuff yeah that's a freshman you crazy or oh yeah yeah exactly backpand they're same thing I'm like gut building does not there that's not Oakland anyway we cut to Steve Rogers visiting an

[00:39:41] elderly piggy carter at retirement home where we see she has family photos on her bedside table it shows for children does not show her husband and Peggy asked Steve why he's downcast and Steve

[00:39:54] says first long as I remember I just wanted to do what was right I guess I'm not quite sure what that is anymore and I thought I could throw myself back in and follow orders serve it's just

[00:40:05] not the same knowing that you help feel found shield is half the reason I stay and she responds the world has changed and none of us can go back all we can do is our best and sometimes the

[00:40:16] best we can do is to start over and then it's this kind of sad moment where you realize that she's in some sort of memory care facility and she immediately forget to be as and it just is for kind of like

[00:40:29] very kind of touching and kind of somber moment of him you know visiting his best girl and just as kind of this this missy well and she's telling him like you have to start over as what she's

[00:40:42] signaling to him yeah yeah and this is actually interesting because this introduces a concept I I didn't realize until doing research for this movie that the idea of the winter soldier is actually

[00:40:55] pulled from history so Thomas Paine in the crisis which he wrote in 1776 it starts off with these are the times that tryman souls the summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will

[00:41:12] in this crisis shrink from the service of their country but he the opposite that stands by now deserves the love and thanks for a man and woman which obviously we know the winter soldier is a character

[00:41:29] in this movie later on but I also think that this scene shows that in a certain way Steve is the winter soldier right he he has to he isn't just there for the good times he's there for the bad and this

[00:41:46] is kind of him discovering what that means yeah and and what are things I also I like that and that's a nut I like that that metaphor not metaphor but the other thing I noted on

[00:42:03] especially on rewatch was just early on like the conflict between him and fury you know you would expect that Captain America could be the good following the order soldier and quite the opposite

[00:42:17] and so I you know that really can distract him especially this conflict that she is demonstrating talking about to Peggy we then cut fury who is trying to access the files on the USB that an

[00:42:32] attached download from the lumarian but discovers that the data on the USB is inaccessible which we will learn more about later hashtag for shadowing we come to meeting of the world security council which is grilling Alexander Pierce who is the secretary of the world security council

[00:42:51] about the recent hijack of a shield vessel by quote a French pirate for interrupts the meeting and ask Pierce to call a vote of the world security council in order to delay a project insight fury agrees

[00:43:05] pure s agrees on the condition that ironman make an appearance at his knees first big party not a fly by like actual like not a mingle got a man got to take some photos here later we see Steve

[00:43:18] visiting Sam after the end of Sam's group counseling session and the two talk about serving in the military Sam is happy to be back in the world but Steve is uncertain about what he would do if you

[00:43:31] left Sam asks what makes you happy and Steve says I don't know and that was really kind of somber like he's you know we really are now getting to see in a very short period time we're only like

[00:43:41] I don't know 25 minutes in but we see the conflict between him and fury we see him being kind of lost you know this kind of man out of time little advantage time yeah and you know I think one thing that

[00:43:56] I remember when I first watched this that absolutely blew me away was getting Robert Redford to play Alexander Pierce in this movie was just like what a pull and I remember the first time watching

[00:44:13] this and seeing him on screen I was just like oh that's where these comic book movies are now right like sure we had Anthony Hopkins and and Renee Russo in Thor and that sort of thing but Robert Redford

[00:44:26] I don't know it just felt like such a different level to me when that back when he showed up on screen sure yeah you know totally this is they get kudos to Sarah Halle Finn and the others at Marble for

[00:44:39] being able to you know recruit and cast really really good actors you can imagine you know if this is like the first movie because it was supposed to be earlier on in the in the MCU yeah Robert Redford's not doing

[00:44:56] it like you're good luck I know the Alec Baldwin also audition for the role I thought he would put a cool but if you had done this say like I don't know six years prior and you're not

[00:45:09] yeah you'd be lucky to get a part a peat uh it's where I'm looking for like a bit actor to be in there yeah yeah so so I mean and again kudos to them and I've definitely Robert Redford wanted to do it because

[00:45:24] his kids were huge comic book fans and so they were you know so he got Robert down he junior to come to his kids very late oh totally yeah I you got the root and he got the MC and Faggy to put him in the

[00:45:38] movie um they're a lot of nods we won't hit them all but like as we go through the movie there's lots little um omages to Redford that will kind of touch on her a bit we we see Fury

[00:45:51] he leaves the Triskelen and calls Agent Maria Hill good to see her again tells me to beat him you have three hours when he's attacked by DC Metro police and SWAT team members on the streets of DC

[00:46:05] airquills aka Cleveland um Fury's smart car diagnosis is injury calculates window integrity employees quote offensive countermeasures so this was a really fun car scene I like to think of as his car Jarvis if you will he manages to somehow roll over cars drive through the streets of DC

[00:46:34] manages to escape buddy stop by a mass man who shoots a magnetic disc grenade under Fury's car which causes it to explode in flip over but before the mass man can kill Fury managed Fury managed

[00:46:46] cuts hold the ground with it laser cutting gadget to escape um again I know we're not in DC my one nitpick is that's fine it actually kind of looks like it if you don't if not fun with DC the

[00:46:58] architecture is pretty similar um they're talking about going to 17th Avenue with the directions there is no 17th Avenue DC and so anyway I just like quibble there but the funniest part about it being

[00:47:11] Cleveland is Cleveland was also used as New York in Avengers so in the for the Battle of New York they also use Cleveland they even use the same bank so there's a bank later on where they're

[00:47:26] keeping bucky um spoiler whatever it's in the movie but just not where we've described yet but where they are there's a there's a bank that's the same bank that like cap jumps out of in

[00:47:41] the Battle of New York there's also the same Cincinnati Metro bus number 6388 that is destroyed in the Battle of New York it's also destroyed in this chasing between Fury and the the folks

[00:48:00] chasing him it's also destroyed later on in this movie so it's destroyed twice in this movie when we first see a uh cap fighting bucky so yeah come on Ryan you should know by now just because

[00:48:16] you see a character died of movie doesn't it doesn't mean they're really gone so just as robust hey hey yeah the other thing I noticed is when we see the winter soldier character show up

[00:48:34] the other thing which I noticed was his head covering designed is the exact opposite of Captain America so it covers his eyes mouth and then free flowing hair because he's got a great

[00:48:50] head of hair but I thought that was kind of a fun thing upon rewatch yeah that's really cool yeah I also appreciate his commitment to help him safety by wearing a mask pre-coped so we we see Steve arriving at his apartment after talking to his neighbor Kate

[00:49:14] but gets suspicious when he hears that his stereo is still on he sneaks through the window of his own apartment and he finds Fury sitting on the couch bleeding his injured you know pretty seriously injured

[00:49:25] from the attack he tells Rogers that his wife kicked about and that the apartment is but he's like I didn't know you were married there are a lot of things you didn't know about me and then

[00:49:40] he holds up his phone says ears everywhere I'm sorry to have to do this but I had no place else to crash typed out another message that says shield compromised Steve says who else knows about

[00:49:56] your wife if you're replies with first his cell phone saying you and me but then he says just my friends Steve said that we are that's up to you so this it's a it's a it's a fun kind of

[00:50:14] interaction and then right before anything else can occur Fury shot several times in the back through a wall and he gives the USB that we saw from earlier to Steve and tells him not to trust

[00:50:28] anyone before Fury collapses um before we get a little bit further one thing when I talked about the little omages there's um to Robert referred when Steve enters his apartment gets in the bookshelf

[00:50:42] all the presidents men and this is the movie about the Watergate Hotel break in so in DC during during the next month's nation and he Robert Redford was a producer and a co-star of the movie

[00:50:55] book and the Triskelle you know overlooks the Watergate Hotel you can see it in one of the scenes where you see like the elevator from the exterior you can see the Watergate hotel in the background

[00:51:08] very cool yeah and that was one of the things that again CGI is like do it Cleveland does not light do that because anyway so Rogers neighbor smashes in the doorwalk and she reverals herself

[00:51:21] to be Agent 13 you know she explains that she was assigned to guard Rogers under Fury's authority Rogers sees the gunman and tells her quote I'm in pursuit he throws his shield at the mass man

[00:51:34] but the man catches the shield with his cybernetic arm and throws it back knocking back cap he then jumps off the building and the mystery man disappears we see fury being transports a hospital

[00:51:49] and their Natasha Steve it agent Hiller talked about the shooter Natasha appears to have some insight when we see the alarms beep Fury's heart stops beating he's pronounced dead at one o'clock

[00:52:02] three a.m. he is taken away in a hill asked to take care of the body agent rumble of tells Rogers that he is wanted for hearing and I you know I'm gonna pause here I was not super sad when bus six

[00:52:15] eight eight died but when Fury died I was like oh man like dude what yeah hey well and and I think again this goes back to like Marvel was not super announcing things ahead of time like when

[00:52:33] there's some things that will happen later on in these movies that the impact of them was minimal because you knew that certain characters had like sequels and stuff that had been announced

[00:52:49] that was one of the great things about this era of Marvel is like we weren't announcing things 10 movies out and so Fury could die right we we could like those stakes were real

[00:53:02] and so you could go you could be shook and you could be like oh crap Fury died wow and I I loved that you know I love that about like watching these originally was you could get that

[00:53:18] gut punch and you could get that emotional feeling yeah I I headed that moment completely forgot hits on unlike I think it was an eight or nine picture deal I completely forgot it was like a

[00:53:27] hell man he is dead this sucks like yeah we at this point in time we hear sit while saying over an earpiece quote strike team escort Captain Rogers back to shield immediately for questioning

[00:53:40] and you know it's there in the hospital just before Steve Rogers decides to hide the USB flash drive in a very safe spot which is a vending machine in late for somebody likes her bubble I mean I

[00:53:53] could think of other places you could hotter in this person but I won't get into it all right so I'm saying like vending machine seriously anyway so he Rogers goes to the Schelian where he sees

[00:54:06] H13 he says hello neighbor kind of okay any you could tell you this is like piss it's like more more spies I'm still not in the mail and there he meets Alexander Pierce who tells Rogers about

[00:54:18] a positive story about his experiences with Nick Fury before telling him that Batroc was hired by Fury to pirate the lumerian star in order to cover for the sale of classified information

[00:54:29] Steve rejects his premise and then Pierce says quote see I took a seed at the council not because I wanted to but because Nick asked me to because we were both realists we knew the despite all diplomacy

[00:54:42] and the hand shaking in the rhetoric to build a better world sometimes being having to tear down the old one and that makes enemies Steve and Pierce have a conversation where Pierce tries to

[00:54:53] give more information about Fury but Steve pushes back we remember he told me not just trusting one and Pete Pierce basically promises to avenge his friend's death yeah this is a really great way of

[00:55:05] like setting up kind of where where we go right it takes it takes Nick off the Nick Fury off the board and really introduces Steve to just how cd his world around him is yeah yeah it's not it's not

[00:55:26] the shield from that was the was formed 45 years ago right by a piggy car or another it was like it's not this it's the idealist versus the pragmatist realists at this point in time and he is still

[00:55:38] he's a between world he's not he's but he wants to be idealistic but he can't bring himself to do it well and that's one of the interesting things when you think about it too is um you know the

[00:55:51] the people living it living this in real time watch shield slow march from you know the the shield that we saw in in World War II that was patriotism but also very very freedom focused

[00:56:10] and pushing scientific bounds etc. two the shield we see now which is doing minority report pre-cognition to kill off the people before their threat type of thing Steve doesn't see that slow

[00:56:28] march right like this is a 50 year march or did I get that timing right yeah 45 years 45 years of like slow march towards that right lots of you know well we have to compromise here we have to

[00:56:46] compromise there that kind of thing Steve didn't see it that way in Steve is an experience he went to sleep with the SSR essentially shield who was the the scientific pushing the balance trying to

[00:56:59] figure out how to fight the Nazis to waking up to a shield that is you know essentially he woke up let's say two three years prior to this movie he's his his experiences we're going from fighting

[00:57:19] Nazis to swivel or for later in the movie essentially being Nazis right and there's nothing in between for him he he has this unique perspective of of seeing only point A and point B he doesn't

[00:57:35] see all the points in between yeah and it would also say that war and conflict was much more straightforward more or two yeah this is the enemy line I can see who I'm fighting I they are wearing

[00:57:48] costumes and and you know for me not costumes they're wearing uniforms I know who to shoot I know who to fight and here you have no idea like you know again you go back to the Frihrland never trust anyone

[00:57:59] and so you know can he trust Agent 13 can he trust Natasha who is you know can he trust this Sam guy you know just don't know so from there Rogers leaves Pierce's office to go to the hospital

[00:58:15] well in the elevator it starts to fill up with strike agents caps starts to notice little off things you know a briefcase that looks weird guy holding his gun beat of sweat rolling down another guys head

[00:58:29] and he realizes that this is going to be a fight it's going to be some they're gonna try and arrest Steve here he asks the classic line before we get started does anyone want to get out

[00:58:45] and then we launch into legitimately one of the most badass fights of the MCU it's got to be in I would say it's in my top three like I guess solo fights I would say it's probably top one or two

[00:59:01] I'm not talking about big battles or yeah but just like one on one or not one on one but one hero you know action in a small space type of light it's it's got to be top one or two

[00:59:16] it's so great every time and this is why I love this movie is is that I like you just sit down and watch it from end to end it's a it's a it's a commitment it's two and a half hours almost it's a long

[00:59:26] movie but if you want to digest a few scenes here and there this is definitely one of them great it's such a great scene like age rumbles like sorry big man at least like sorry big boy like don't have to do this in the just

[00:59:39] like just shocks and repeatedly with a weather like oh so good it's so good yeah it's just such a good fight oh when I was like researching for this movie I was on YouTube and I typed in

[00:59:51] Captain America Winter Soldier and the first suggested thing is elevator scene so yeah it's just it's so good so after this fight cap jumps out of the elevator he survives a free fall and drives away on his

[01:00:10] motorcycle quick question this is this is an open question I've had for a while and when you get your thought on it his jumping we see it multiple times in this movie private movie's

[01:00:22] like he'll jump and land on the shield is the thought that the shield it like is what keeps him from splatter all over the ground yeah that's what I should because it absorbs vibration right that that's

[01:00:39] the whole idea of vibrating of his it absorbs vibration we've talked a little bit about how that doesn't make sense with the way he bounces it but theoretically it's absorbing that I guess but the vibration isn't

[01:00:54] no it's impact yeah this terrible movie I take it all about this I dare you let me down with your lack of attention to focus on science I guess his his super soldier's here that does give him some

[01:01:10] increased toughness plus whatever cushioning that the shield gives I guess is what saves him when he's jumping I I had the same thought and watching this is just like wait I the logic doesn't logic but you know what it's a superhero movie it's fine I take back

[01:01:38] everything I just said but yeah even even in one of the fun lines from earlier the movie where we jumped at the plane when they're going to the lumerian he was like was he wearing a pair of shoes

[01:01:50] like that at the salt time like this is like his move it's like he's like hey check this out so Steve jumps a roadblock and gets passed everything sit well then sets up a comprehensive digital search

[01:02:12] for Steve Rogers when agent Sharon asks why he appears there appear survives and says because he lied to us and announces that Captain America is a fugitive of shield Steve Rogers arrives at the hospital where he notices that his USB stick is gone because apparently

[01:02:38] Hubble bubble was more popular than he anticipated should have hit on his own body come on man so then he sees Roman off who is snapping some gum at him and

[01:02:54] clearly has the USB drive he angrily asks her what she knows about what has happened she tells him she knows who killed fury and tells him the mask man is an assassin known as the winter soldier

[01:03:09] bump bump bump and she encountered him once before Natasha says five years ago I was escorting a nuclear engineer out of a ran somebody shot at my tires near Odessa I don't know why they were in Texas

[01:03:25] we lost control when I went straight over a cliff I pulled us out but the winter soldier was there I was covering my engineer so he shot straight through me shows off a scar on her abdomen

[01:03:42] a Soviet slug no rifling by bi-bakini's Steve and what are the awkward moments says yeah I bet you looked terrible in the mail going after him as a dead-end says Natasha

[01:03:57] I know I know I've tried like you said he's a ghost story Steve says well let's find out what the ghost wants I'm kidding no this is I so we talk about into you

[01:04:14] couples chemistry and I can be chemistry between like you know hero and a pojag like some relationships but the chemistry between again as I mentioned before scotch ants and the Chris Evans is palpable like it is it is on there's these are two really good looking people

[01:04:36] and from the car scene to hear like and this will see in a couple couple minutes like oh man it is great yeah it really is and like there's I would call it an under developed love plot but I think

[01:04:54] it's purposefully under developed and it's good that it's under developed it doesn't need to develop but yeah there's definitely a little something there and the actors make that little something work

[01:05:08] yeah yeah I think and I think on rewatch one of the things it really really works well is this seems like a very real relationship you see this you know distrust the beginning

[01:05:19] in the film that eventually kind of evolves from there yeah so pierce meets with the world security council and uses freeze death to manipulate them in in order to activate project inside

[01:05:32] meanwhile Natasha and Steve go to an apple store to see if there's any valuable information on the the USB but they like fury find nothing however using a hostile malware tracker software they do find the location where the USB could be unlocked meanwhile rumlo and his

[01:05:56] strike team have been deployed to find them so right just real quick before we get to the before we get to the good stuff what are your thoughts on this tech scene of taking USB stick going to an

[01:06:09] Apple store using quote hostile malware tracker software to find out where the USB stick came from this one isn't the worst because I don't think they're like looking for where the USB stick came from the they they explain it in some exposition conversation about like

[01:06:32] they're like backtracing where the database is they're like which makes some sense there there is there's some sense to be made here it's not as bad as recalibrating the ISD ends or you know

[01:06:47] I'm never gonna forgive them but no this one this one isn't terrible it's not even the worst in this scene I would say I just I do love I mean obviously if that happened to that it'd be

[01:07:04] screwed because they don't use USB anymore but I just like it was kind of just a random apple store that's fun yeah I think that was like a trope during this time I think like

[01:07:15] part of that's because Apple was paying a lot of money but also like I I remember like thinking like Apple stores are where you go to do nefarious things on computers because they're all they have

[01:07:29] all those demo laptops out you might as well do something on yeah so yeah from there they Steve and Natasha using the best disguises they can use a baseball cap approach and escalator while trying to evade rumloin is crew Natasha says kiss me public

[01:08:02] a split displays of a of affection make people uncomfortable they kiss Natasha goes you still uncomfortable Steve goes that's not exactly the word I would use oh yeah oh yeah oh

[01:08:17] they steal a car and drive to wheatin to a wheatin New Jersey facility they have a personal conversation during it about kissing and identity and trust this is again where their chemistry plays really

[01:08:34] well and and this is you know this movie is really a change for Captain America right this is this is going from the the soldier who is just doing what he's supposed to do because his

[01:08:47] country says to do it to the the soldier who is doing what's right because it's what's right and and this scene kind of encapsulates that really well in that like Natasha has always been that right

[01:09:00] Natasha as we find out later on in the MCU for one reason or another has always had to do kind of for for a long time had to do what she was told through unfortunately manipulative

[01:09:17] means but then once she was free to that she realized you know the power of doing what was right and that's kind of what this conversation evolves about right I do um I do like that she's

[01:09:32] giving him a little bit of grief like that's the first kiss in stiting like that's nice and 45 now oh no we're planning everything is practice it was like it was that that no no it's fine so I was an unique he needs insists that he's kissed someone since 1945

[01:09:52] I'm asking you who would that person be or did he just lie because it's not really in his nature to lie right that's Captain America yeah pretty honest so is it the the member the character in

[01:10:07] the first Avenger the oh did he go back and find uh the clerk who kissed him in the Peggy season is he kissing you know memory lapsed Peggy in the hospital like what's

[01:10:22] like what's going on I may can see him like he's seeing the cheeky special when she remembers I'm not making it like he's like you know doing something that terrible to be honest but like

[01:10:30] I'm just curious like who would it have been because I'm guessing maybe he's kissing his hand I don't know don't get it yeah that's funny um maybe it's just one really drunk night in

[01:10:45] in New York um he kissed one of someone oh look look at like a New Year's kind of thing I think yeah there you go um yeah because we know he hasn't kissed Kate yet so

[01:10:59] our agent 13 um now I'm stuck on the idea of him finding that clerk after we woke back up and and I'm sitting here imagining a CGI old version of uh that actress I can't think of her name now

[01:11:22] played Marjorie Tyrell in Game of Thrones but it was but also played that clerk oh no no you broke in me because I'm stuck on that idea I'm sorry I'm sorry

[01:11:34] so from from there let's move on with our with our breakdown because oh man I gotta I got a think about this they arrive at Camp Lee High the old training facility that where Steve train during World War II

[01:11:49] we see a brief flashback of his training before he identifies a munitions building which is quote in the wrong place I yeah I really enjoyed this scene on rewatch I forgot the little flashbacks

[01:12:03] you see the the cameo the flagpole it was instrumental in him getting the super the super soldier first movie um I really liked it like that was pretty cool yeah and this is actually where

[01:12:22] where I would say the worst tech gap is uh Natasha says something along the lines if they must have used a router to throw us off um I don't know why she didn't just say VPN like that sounds cooler

[01:12:41] people did VPNs yeah people also clearly don't know what a router is um you know they must use some sort of switch in order to divert the traffic one network to another network

[01:12:57] or to conceal the location yeah that part was kind of like err I don't know about that but um I do yeah but then they find yeah and this is where they find the old shield office this part

[01:13:09] this was kind of a little bit of a tough beat where they see the picture of Howard Stark and Colonel Chester Phillips and and A to Peggy Carter and Natasha said who's the girl is it yeah

[01:13:20] I don't know oh yeah let's keep moving like he's completely thrown up the buzzer I don't know never seen him for no idea so then they they find a secret elevator which takes them to a secret

[01:13:33] storage room full of old computers where there just happens to be a USB hub sitting there and they're like let's plug this in so they plug in the USB drive um the computers power up and

[01:13:47] avoid starts talking to them it's not a recording it's the digitized version of RMZOLA who we learn is very a live and real and cool just like our friend Ashir and Swiss his body died in 1972 but shield still leading his help transferred his mind into 200,000 feet

[01:14:11] of computer database Zola tells them that the he was recruited by shield after World War II and helped them rebuild inside shield or helped to rebuild Hydra inside shield Zola Hydra says they're sorry Zola says Hydra was founded on the belief that

[01:14:41] Hydra was founded on the belief that humanity could not be trusted with its own freedom what we did not realize was that if you tried to take the freedom they resist the war taught us about humanity needed to render it free to willingly so again this

[01:15:10] whole like speech about freedom and choice and stuff like that after the war shield was founded and I was recruited at the new Hydra grew a beautiful parasite inside shield for 70 years has been secretly feeding crises reaping war and when history did not cooperate history was changed

[01:15:30] yeah so in this time we actually see some references to actual real life things so we find out that that erumsola was recruited through operation paperclip which is a real world thing that actually happened we talked about it a little bit last time we talked about Captain America

[01:15:51] on Captain America the first adventure this is the actual program that we used to recruit Werner from Brown we used to bring in Heinz Haber and basically recruit Nazi scientists to build our

[01:16:14] stuff and those were to real at German scientists who were brought over to work for Disney right they were science consultants, fun-rounded space travel films and they co-hosted a show called

[01:16:34] Man's Space which is I just kind of wild to think about in the other thing I liked and you are we learned Natasha's full name was Natalia Alianova Romanatha yeah oh and this is actually like a

[01:16:48] genuinely organic plug since we're talking about Disney and their their relationship with some Nazis if you aren't subscribed to the Patreon for years up I would definitely subscribe to it there's an episode of we call it pyramid the either ears it's kind of exploring

[01:17:10] Disney focused conspiracy theories and an episode that I actually appeared on with Jason our corporate overlord is one that was discussing Disney's relationship with the Nazis so definitely if you're interested in this kind of stuff if you're interested in the US's relations

[01:17:30] with Nazis and you know I'm gonna call it positive relationship that was created through Operation Paperclip it's a very interesting episode and I would highly suggest you go listen that

[01:17:42] yeah not from a sympathetic no no I don't like to yeah no no and that's why I struggled to call it positive but I think like yeah it's interesting it's there is so much about that time that

[01:18:01] that fascinates me um and again now from a sympathetic like absolutely the the Nazis were a problem and continue to be a problem but yeah yeah two but two point like there were people that were

[01:18:14] there they were there that did not like what was going on and they hated the fascist regime and so forth and with you know as you said Operation Paperclip or group of like 1500 scientists and engineers from all over Germany brought them to the US and helped

[01:18:32] with many of program including helping to build Disneyland I think they made the one of the modern elf I'm not mistaken or the Zyna Mademod Rail yeah so moving on to our back into our movie here we find out that eramazola had been working on an algorithm

[01:18:52] that Hydra wanted he told them that some of the deaths of the shield leaders had been due to Hydra showing them a er had been due to Hydra he shows them a picture of how

[01:19:07] it's stark in playing that his death may not have been an accident pin for a couple movies later and then Fury uh and then he shows him a picture of Fury Zola says Hydra created a world

[01:19:24] so chaotic that humanity was finally ready to sacrifice its freedom to gain its security this again points to that kind of thing we were talking about you know Hydra sitting in the background pushing the world towards chaos and towards the idea of like let's be proactive against crime

[01:19:48] that you know like I said Steve could see point A and point B dot all the sub points in between right Zola then speaks about the purification process and shows a video of the hellic

[01:20:03] carrier and announces that Hydra's new order will arise Steve asks what's on the USB drive in Zola mentions that it's that he's written an algorithm but doesn't explain what it does Zola has been stalling and before they can get any more information on him a shield missile

[01:20:25] blows up the facility they survive and they survive the explosion and escape just as shield slash Hydra arrives rumloe tells them to call in the asset we cut to pierce his home where he tells the winter soldier he wants confirmed deaths of Steve and Natasha within 10 hours

[01:20:52] so I know it's gonna say funnel scene uh the couple things that kind of threw me off a little bit but um again we will put aside the person living inside the computer data banks for a moment but

[01:21:05] the one thing I noticed is it on the strike I thought they took an elevator really far down and then it just seemed like they kind of climbed out but really easy yeah definitely feels like they

[01:21:19] yeah not not quite the same amount of space there yeah the uh and also kind of a tough beat for pierces um house but uh either made or helper who like comes back to see the winter soldier

[01:21:35] after she left her phone and just get shot I'll look at that stuff yeah so yeah also in this scene we do see a little reference to Robert Redford's longtime acting partner Paul Newman in the fridge actually in uh not Paul Newman in the fridge but correct

[01:22:01] so Alexander Pierce is a fan of Newman's own uh post-assass apparently as it is prominently featured in his fridge so from there sorry I lost my place in my brain notes so from there they seek refuge with Sam where Natasha and Steve have another conversation

[01:22:35] about trust the three of them figure out that the only person that could have ordered the missile strike was secretary Pierce but they can't access him so they identify Jasper sit well as the

[01:22:50] target Natasha and Steve are wanted so Sam tells them he was part of a military project called the falcon which was testing a new form of winged jet packs and he offers to help

[01:23:09] I do I do like that part I thought you said your pilot said that I said it flow right so they acquire the only known suit from this project from Fort Need and head to Washington DC

[01:23:23] to confront Jasper sit well who is working for Hydra sit well just had a meeting with Senator Stern who compliments his pin in a fun little call back to Captain Ertu Iron Man too

[01:23:39] um who is being really slimy talking about a constituent who is a young woman that he needs to go it's all the problem with also in a call back to Iron Man too Senator I'm a movie is just trying to get his beak wet M.I.R.A.

[01:23:58] Goodness That part was gross, it was it was and then as they're saying goodbye Stern pulls sit well in and says Sam calls sit well who is dragged onto the roof of a tall building

[01:24:20] Steve forces him to the edge of the building sit well talk tons Rogers saying throwing people off the roof is not his style so the Tasha kicks him off anyways and Wilson saves him pull it using his wingsuit pulls him back up onto the roof sit well

[01:24:39] explains that Zola's algorithm is a program for choosing insights targets basically calculate if the person would be a threat based on their past activities well also tells them that Hydra is going to use project insight as a weapon to eliminate

[01:24:56] what they see as threats against the world mentioning Bruce Banner and Steven Strange I should also mention here there is in my research there is couple of the other things that that's well says here one is a valedictoria

[01:25:16] valedictoria in an Iowa city this might be a reference to a to Alexander Chow who does take on the Hulk in the comics he takes on the place of the Hulk that might be very very legitimately

[01:25:36] that would make sense the other one that a lot of people point to as a reference and I I want to present kind of a counter-easter egg here so a lot of people point to a TV

[01:25:48] what is it uh news anchor in Cairo and they think that that is referring to Moon Knight no point at no point in Mark Spector's life was he ever an a a TV anchor

[01:26:02] that would not make sense this was most likely a reference to the Arab Spring which was kind of going on during the time and the media the media has involved me in that in those protests so more likely to be

[01:26:19] that as the reference there yeah but again fun scene I you know like the little not Bruce Banner like the little not Steven Strange you know Dr Strange if you will yeah I I the from the it was also nice

[01:26:37] to see Senator Stern again who is just kind of a jerk in our man and then we could see him again that was kind of fun seeing him yeah and I do also want to mention I missed this when we first

[01:26:50] were talking about Sam so Sam Wilson was first introduced in Captain America 1117 in June of 1969 his backstory in the comics was his parents were he he lived in a rough part of Brooklyn New York

[01:27:07] his parents were killed in kind of senseless violence and then he took up falconry as a hobby look man great people respond to crazy different ways right so people hit the bottle

[01:27:21] some people come like falconers I think this is and this hobby eventually takes him to South America some some island off of South America where he ends up finding an imprisoned Captain America

[01:27:38] becoming Captain America's sidekick for a very long time he he so Sam and Cap are pretty closely linked in the comic books the wingsuit was kind of a later edition in the comic books like legitimately

[01:27:55] Sam's main power was his falcon in the comic books for a very long time so I would I would point out that he originally was black falcon in the comic book again I know that the comic books pretty progressive but they used there were really big on naming

[01:28:16] just identifying black characters as black falcon black Panther you know need to be falcon to be Panther but that's true so from here oh from here we actually move into a really good

[01:28:32] fight scene so the gang hops in a car and discusses their plans to access the helicopters using sitwells DNA scans as sitwell tells them that that is a terrible idea before he is thrown

[01:28:49] from the car by winter soldier a freeway chase crash battle in sues winter soldier and Shidra strike hydra engage in a big gun battle before Cap and the winter soldier fight as they fight the winter soldier's mask comes off and he is revealed as bucky barns

[01:29:17] and Steve recognizes barns but barns does not recognize him which is real awkward super awkward it's like your waving into buddy at the mall and just like being an ordea oh that's super awkward this is uh I this okay so immediately again we're not in DC

[01:29:40] I've let myself go over that but this is a this another really really fantastic MCU fight scene that begins and starts on top of the rooftop then they they repelled down or um

[01:29:55] the Shidra are chasing our heroes and then we just have this cool fight scene with Cap and Bucky with the knife and it's choreographed and it is dope um we see you know and with the

[01:30:11] we also see Bucky fighting or trying to uh capture like widow she uses the little voice device in order kind of throw them off eventually they're all captured um they're taken into custody in the prison van Steve tells them about Bucky's unit and surmises that Zola experimental

[01:30:33] Bucky which is how he survived the fall in the first Avenger um I will suspend disbelief as to why the group just gives up and just instead of fighting the re out I will also suspend disbelief

[01:30:48] when um Rumlo has been accosted and said let's you know there's gonna take them somewhere and build three holes and it's like a little it's concrete I don't know why you just don't just shoot the

[01:30:57] marriage be done with it but uh there that's actually like kind of it's it's a brief scene in the movie but Rumlo looks up and sees the news helicopters and calls his strike guys off he's like hey

[01:31:10] not not now we were you know this is too broad daylight essentially fair enough right enough um one of the guards went there in custody one of the guards stends the other guard and feels

[01:31:23] herself to be agent Maria Hill hero hey oh hero she then uses the laser cutting gadget to escape with Natasha and Sam and Steve the uh she takes them to a secret facility where they see that

[01:31:37] what's this Nick Fury is alive look at you you're your old hijinks Nick uh turns out he had taken an anti stress serum developed by Bruce Banner that lowered his heart rate to only one beat

[01:31:51] per minute so that he could appear dead Fury says quote can't kill you if you're already dissatisfied dead besides I wasn't sure who to trust um and you just noted a cameo here at this

[01:32:04] point of Joe Russo as the doctor treating Tasha yep and he actually was the doctor if you watch closely he's actually in the hospital treating Nick Fury at first

[01:32:18] um in the in the actual DC hospital so um kind of cool I guess Fury found one person they could trust was the doctor we cut to uh we cut to a scene where the winner soldiers are

[01:32:33] him is being repaired and we see Bucky's memory starts to return he and we get this kind of cool flashback how hydra's Russian division found him in suspended animation out five train we learned

[01:32:46] that Zola is the one who had Bucky's arm impotate although look like it was part of his missing but they impotated it took to the now I guess replaced with a cybernetic one he also remembers being

[01:32:57] put into cryotanks between his mission so that he would not get old for he snaps out and slam the doctor across the room uh that doctor there's a doctor there's a cameo and one of the uh the

[01:33:12] scientists who is at the birth of when a soldier is at Brubaker who was the author of the winner soldier comic book which is kind of a fun little thing I as another thing I'd like to

[01:33:21] get one of those cryotanks so I don't get old but anyway yeah and um of note here just just quick comic origins on Bucky Barnes and actually something really fun of the winter soldier

[01:33:33] uh so Bucky Barnes was introduced in Captain America number one December of 1940 he was a kid at that they had him as a kid he wasn't introduced as winter soldier until Captain America

[01:33:48] volume five so for those who don't know they reset the number ring on comics pretty frequently so when I was gonna say like Captain America number one in 1940 also Captain America number one in

[01:34:00] 19 or in 2004 um I needed to do a little bit of explaining there that this was the fifth Captain American number one in 2004 where he was in where Bucky was introduced as the winter soldier

[01:34:14] as winter soldier one of the most notable targets that I always think of when I think of the winter soldier was Wolverines pregnant wife which Wolverine fought alongside Bucky in World War II

[01:34:35] obviously we can't see that in the movies because of rights things but um yeah kind of an interesting tying into the rest of the universe thing there and then also um Bucky trained Black Widow

[01:34:50] in the Red Room in the comics which is kind of a uh again an interesting loop in that happened that's cool and uh hey Marvel let's bring in the moons anyway uh so miracles stop uh so pierce arrives

[01:35:08] as the winter soldier's being prep for battle he pierced as for a mission report Bucky starts to ask who's Steve is and pierced his eyes he knows too much inside so brainwashing again

[01:35:19] which just sucks that's it's just kind of a sad scene cut to fury who's holding a photo of Alexander Pearce and Fury says this man declined the Nobel Peace Prize he said the piece is

[01:35:30] not an achievement but a response but it's stuff like this it gives me trust issues and so hairy and hairy hill and fury tell them that project insight is only hours away so they have to

[01:35:42] act quickly the hell of carriers would hover to try and go connect and targeting all of its targets before firing this is the zolum algorithm it's gonna eliminate proactively a bunch of people who

[01:35:54] might post threats now the only way to spread this is to use three special chips that all to the hell of carriers program each hell of carry has to have one chip insert otherwise the plan

[01:36:03] will work and many people will die fury says and this is uh this is um one this is I thought one of the more cruisers one that I noticed it more on rewatched anything originally

[01:36:18] where fury is still trying to preserve shield and he's the heat trying to get rid of hydra and he says quote we have to assume fury says quote we have to assume everyone aboard

[01:36:30] the carrier is hydra we have to get past them insert the server blades and maybe just maybe we can salvage what is left and Steve says we're not salvaging anything we're just taking down

[01:36:43] the carrier's nick we're taking down shield and very sensing that he's gonna lose his job says shield had nothing to do with this you gave me this mission this is how it ends shield has been

[01:36:57] compromised you said so yourself hydra grew right under your nose and nobody noticed why do you think we're meeting this cave I noticed how many people paid the price before you did

[01:37:10] a fat burn fat burn and then then he's just throws out like look I didn't know about burns even if you had would you have told me or would you compartmentalized that too shield hydra in all

[01:37:28] goes and re-heal says he's right and with that fury says all right look took your given the orders now captain and at this point time right since his flashback memory of bucky at his mom's funeral

[01:37:44] the uterus has famous line where I'm with you till the end of the line pal and Sam tells him that bucky is the type you know Sam tells bucky is the type you stop not safe and they're having

[01:37:56] this conversation on what looks to be like a bridge or an overlook of some sort and that he Sam tells I'm sorry Sam tells Steve that bucky doesn't know him Steve still for whatever reason

[01:38:12] just you know and he got to love his loyalty says he will and he tells Sam to go quote gear up now similarly Steve for whatever reason feels like he has to gear up as well so he goes back into

[01:38:24] the captain's american exhibit and takes his uniform which is on display and so he is back to the 1945 old fashioned costume yep and this is where we get our Stanley cameo Stanley is the

[01:38:40] security card who walks in and notices a buck-ass nude a mannequin standing there and goes oh man I am so fired should done the accent but it went so from there it's about two hours until

[01:39:02] the launch of project insight as the members of the world security council arrive at the schelian they are given a device to put on their colors that will grant them access to anywhere

[01:39:11] in the trischelian and head up to Alexander Pierce's office also this is a little bit of a like doesn't make sense why they have to have those devices if if everything's biometrically like controlled and shield is part of the world security council wouldn't they have just picked up

[01:39:30] their biometrics from someplace else but here we are it's fine you got you got let it go I'm more I'm more upset this office has zero furniture it's like it's like they ran out of

[01:39:43] muddy at the end like we have money far work know how about how about some comfortable chairs how about like no what fine so captain america and falcon or sorry captain america and falcon break in and take control of the microphones Rogers tells all the shield agents

[01:40:10] that there are traders to shield and that Alexander Pierce is one of them real quick a fun little cameo from the Russo brothers other project community Danny puddy who played abad in community is the the shield agent who Steve has to kind of kick out of his stations

[01:40:33] so that he can use his microphone to make this announcement um Rogers orders the orders shield not too launch project insight and then so from there shidra walks into the control room and

[01:40:53] rumlow threatens to shoot the man in charge of launching project insight if he doesn't get the helicarios in the air agent share and intervenes and a gunfight breaks out rumlow still manages to override the uh override the weight and immediately launch the helicarios as the helicarios begin

[01:41:16] to take off Rogers and the falcon uh go for go for the first two helicarios. I don't again I don't I don't understand why rumlow didn't just do it himself like why does he have to like threaten

[01:41:32] to shoot the dude. Yeah that's what those moments where it's like if you knew it just just doing a rolly chair literally rolled in the middle of the world yeah so but uh so Pierce pulls a gun

[01:41:45] on a world security council member who is Natasha actually with a uh this mesh disguise she stops him uh rumm now over at security protocols in order to dump all of shield secrets

[01:42:03] including her own onto the internet all uh how snowed him we'll call her snowed in uh black attaches snowed off snowed off yeah yeah there you go uh it takes uh two shield agents with

[01:42:25] alfalfa level security uh in order to stop project insight and so Fury shows up in his full fury greatness with his trench coat and everything. Pierce tries to sway Fury to his side save seven billion people by sacrificing 20 million just 20 million come on man. But they proceed with

[01:42:50] the override Fury states that Pierce probably erased all traces of Fury uh being the director of shield but Fury uh changed his ice can from his working eye to his damage eye and the override

[01:43:04] works doesn't make any sense to me I don't understand this um the one thing I did like though here which I noticed uh was that Pierce refers to him as Nick which I thought's come interesting

[01:43:18] because no one calls him Nick other than he dynamites yeah cut to captain and falkin uh they've managed to put the first two chips in the helicarrers um but are confronted by the winter soldier

[01:43:33] on the last one bucky damages falkin's jetpack and is and falkin is forced to parachute down to the triscale in where he gets caught in a fight with agent rumlo. Cap is about to put the last

[01:43:48] chip in place when he's confronted by bucky cap war uh cap wins this big fight scene this was this was the scene I referred to earlier where I was like this is where captain america dyes

[01:43:59] I was like this is going to actually know I take that back a couple scenes later but uh essentially big fight scene we see cap actually kind of getting beat up by bucky he's bucky standing his own

[01:44:18] he tries to get it in place with only seconds left he had shot multiple times to my barns at least I hear oh man because I stopped watching at this point I was very sad just done it was over

[01:44:32] I just paused yeah other the little smart nevermind so then zola's algorithm um the helicarr using zola's algorithm the helicarrers target um 7755454 people including Tony Stark including uh president um president Ellis we saw in Iron Man 3

[01:44:59] um this also gives us actually our first scene of uh Avengers Tower which was kind of funny that this is how we get to zia for the first time um we also see it target uh there's the

[01:45:16] there's one of the scenes of targeting where if you look at the names they are just off enough to wear like if you were copying someone's homework you would change the names by this about and it would be the entire roster of the 2014 Patriots doing lint Patriots

[01:45:40] yeah yeah it's it's just off it's like uh it's like Timothy Brady instead of Tom Braytler's um so people are all targeted um and then cap gets up he manages to insert the last ship in

[01:46:01] the the last helicarrie at the last second um so we see that it uh then the targets go from 7203 um Pierce act uh so just before that change we do see kind of a fun little nod to Star Wars

[01:46:24] the agent of shield that is controlling the launch says fire win-ritty in almost the same exact inflection as as Tarkin when he's firing the Death Star um but uh we we do see back in the back with the world security council

[01:46:49] Pierce activates the world security councils collar things the little brooch pins it kills them and he uses it to hold Natasha hostage fury and Natasha's surrender their arms and then uh Natasha figures out how to disable the device by using one of her widow's bites

[01:47:15] or widow's stings I guess because she says that actually stings um giving fury the chance to shoot and kill Pierce. I yeah I don't know that in real life that that would go down like that

[01:47:26] but still a fun scene and I really do like the fight scene between cap and bucky cap is getting worked by bucky yeah completely worked uh we don't know go ahead

[01:47:40] oh no go ahead I realize it's in the next scene what I was gonna say I was gonna say the one thing that we don't know and I don't know if it's ever really kind of come up

[01:47:48] we know that they've both been given the super soldier serum we don't know if they are at least in the MCU maybe you know I'm not quite sure like do they have roughly the same strength levels

[01:48:00] and um or I know they have different like experiences in terms of fighting and so forth the ones got a cybernetic arm but like do we know if one is quote-unquote stronger than the other?

[01:48:10] not that I can think of I don't know that we definitively know I I think they're pretty I would say that they're pretty even okay I would say the same thing as well and that's why

[01:48:21] I think the fights are so are even cited they're not like not this you know it's not like Batroc who just gets worked after cap takes off a shield oh batroc to his credit six around for

[01:48:31] while that was pretty impressive um so at this point in time they're like hey let's we got some more CJ budget to burn let's just blow it out right here and so we take we have this big CGI gun battle

[01:48:43] he'll take control turns the hell of care it's onto themselves and we go from seven or 15 thousand targets to three you know they start to shoot each other up I pause for a second to say

[01:48:55] if you now control the hell of cares can you just like get cap off can you just like just pause for a second to get maybe civilians off but anyway whatever um the hell of cap care is

[01:49:06] start to crash some crash into the Potomac one of the hell of cares slow you know fortunately the Potomac and on onto you know obviously for imagery purposes can't crash into Washington DC one of the hell of cares slowly crashes into the Trisketian it causes it to collapse

[01:49:25] rumble who had been fighting falcon gets buried under but trouble falcon jumps out of the window to the 41st floor to save by fury Natasha it is a funny moment where he's like he's like

[01:49:36] running out he's telling the story they're in the helicopter and he jumps out he has to fall down like several stories he's very sick the 41 is like well it's not like the numbers on the side of the

[01:49:45] building um oh it's really like uh cap then saves Bucky who's pinned in this wreckage of the same helicopter which is down stuck in the Trisketian they fight again and Rogers tries to convince

[01:49:59] Bucky knows he's Steve but before Rogers passes out he tells Barnes that he is quote with him to the end of the line the same promise that Barnes gave to Rogers years ago

[01:50:09] Rogers falls into the water and drowns to death oh no um no after the glass pane collapses Rogers falls in Barnes saves Rogers pulls him out of the water before disappearing so

[01:50:22] Steve later wakes up and we don't know how long it's been but we imagine it's been at least a short period of time yeah um again this is has habit wakes up in a hospital but instead of this

[01:50:34] time listening to an old Dodgers game he is listening to the soundtrack of Trouble Man and Sam says on the left and on the he's on the left of Sam and then since that time a lot of events have

[01:50:50] occurred and so we started at the at the at the this point we see Agent Sharon has joined the CIA we see Agent Marie Hill is interviewing at Stark Industries which in the comics she actually served

[01:51:03] under Tony Stark except it was him joining shield we see that creep senator Stern's been rested we see rumble arrives in a ER with a really really really bad sunburn we see an attached a test find before a departmentate defense subcommittee they they're asking why she shouldn't

[01:51:22] go jail for what she had done she said it's because quote they still need them and kind of confidently walks out uh fury is officially dead he's destroyed all of evidence being alive even replacing the

[01:51:37] ipatch sunglasses we see fury joining Steve and Sam at his own tomb and they both declined as often join him in Europe do you notice what Bible verse was on his tomb I did it's the same

[01:51:54] Bible verse that Sam Jackson quotes in pull fiction I don't remember the the I don't remember the exact one but yeah it's it's the call back from pull fiction yeah he claims it to Z equal 2320 it's

[01:52:13] I my understanding is not it's not exactly that yeah I did I will strike down upon the with great vengeance and fear is anger those attempt of poison stroy my brothers love that it's so good

[01:52:27] um uh he needs basics his head someone's looking for him tell them that I'm dead Natasha arrives hands steep a file about bucky that she got from kev and Steve begins to insert

[01:52:40] for bucky with help of Sam and she's gonna go rebuild her identity and that is the conclusion of the movie yeah so yeah this was a this is a really good movie let's let's do our afterthoughts

[01:52:56] so why do you feel like this movie was so significant to the MCU what was kind of your main take away sure so I think the they're they're couple takeaways for me I think one I think that Chris Evans

[01:53:14] and I understand he had you know had as well I think most of my characters at different points time express some frustration and around his role his character in so forth I think a lot

[01:53:30] of the actors were about getting tight cast he was originally talked into it and he was the first choice and he was basically talked into it and member Robert Danny Jr said hey you know if you do this

[01:53:42] you'll get your set financially kind of do whatever roles you wanted to and so I think he emerged as the star as the like iconic Captain America I would almost argue the most iconic stock the most

[01:53:59] iconic character that we've seen in the adventure so far even maybe even above Tony Stark above four like he is he carries him if he is fantastic um the movie I think shows that you can do

[01:54:15] um a cool standalone movie Marvel movie that is not a big CGI battle budget if you will and they proved that Captain America was you know a good character but not like you know he's not

[01:54:29] he's not at the time you're not X-Men he's not Spider-Man it can be its own standalone movie the first movie didn't do that great financially this one did pretty well and I think did a good job of

[01:54:42] developing um the what we will see in later movies is kind of distressed up the government which was very much like a Marvel you know kind of 60s era theme that were in the comic books quite

[01:54:56] of that how about you why was this movie significant uh in your opinion I think this one I I definitely first I should say I definitely agree with everything you said I think it's

[01:55:08] uh yeah but I I think the other thing that this movie did was to the general public kind of write the ship in a way um so Iron Man 3 as we talked about with that you know he it I love it

[01:55:27] but not everybody loves it uh Thor Dark World pretty universally disliked although we we talked about why it's actually not that bad in in hindsight um and so this this is coming off of two

[01:55:46] what the general public would consider being stumbles coming after the success of the Avengers and so this was a big action movie universally enjoyed you know you didn't have a barrier to

[01:56:02] entry that you had to get over no hurdles to like it you know it could just be kind of a movie you liked and so I think that this I think without this movie the MCU maybe falls apart although we'll talk

[01:56:17] about our next movie spoiler alert is Guardians of Galaxy which um in its own way also lent some some um uh correction to the MCU but I think that this this was one of those like safe bat type of movies

[01:56:36] where it was it was just good and everybody liked it and any kind of um it kind of saved them from some movies that that took a particular set of uh of skills to enjoy. Sure it is you make a good

[01:56:58] point it low barrier to entry this can operate a standalone film you it doesn't you don't have to have to have seen really anything else I mean it helps but you don't have to um and did help to you know

[01:57:09] as I refer to a little bit like the Sorbet after the you know a couple courses of Thor Dark World and uh and you know some of the other ones were like uh these are not you know you know say

[01:57:22] what you will about um our third three um but this show like yeah we could still make a big budget film it it solidify the characters you really start to see the then again it's great

[01:57:37] to see Nick Vierant everything one of these movies playing this kind of central role if you will um yeah and it kind of I would say I would describe this like a little bit of like writing the

[01:57:47] ship yeah we can actually make a good movie like they don't all have to be like the big anyway. And the other big thing that it did was introduce the Rozo Brothers into the MCU which I would say over the the full scope that we now know um

[01:58:03] probably second Kevin Feige as far as um masterminds of the MCU of Huel so getting them in as the as the director their directorial debut in the MCU is also really important and should be should be stated. Yeah they got they got

[01:58:27] really informative right you got the Rozo Brothers directing it you've got uh McPhilly and Marcus who do this who do the screenplay and you know we see um we sit obviously collaborate on

[01:58:40] future movies as well and uh the the the the really I think really get the formula right it really does feel like especially when you get into the vendor stuff which won't you know spoil anything

[01:58:50] but really feels a ventry feels like a group team up movie and I think those are more I think there's more difficult stories to tell and you have so many different characters, so many different

[01:59:03] here it was a very kind of like linear here's point A to point to point Z if you will right and um I thought they did I thought it hold up really well you know I think the only thing for me at the ending

[01:59:19] kind of I didn't I didn't particularly necessarily entirely love the ending most of because like it leaves in this kind of state of collapse and you know that were the end of this where I stand

[01:59:30] alone movie and I really end of shield and there were no other Marvel movies but this one it makes kind of sense but it kind of doesn't make sense when you start thinking about future films

[01:59:40] entirely that's fair that is fair um so yeah let's move on to our next segment which is our MVP's for this movie uh so David let I'm gonna let you start who do you think was the MVP

[01:59:57] um I mean I think the obvious answer is Chris Evans and it's I don't think it's close at all and I'm gonna I will take him off the board just I know he's great in other things but he really like

[02:00:12] he is so good in this movie he unlike Thor which for whatever reason had Chris Hemsworth on screen like about a third of the time they're like not bad this guy's amazing his chemistry with um

[02:00:29] scratching hands in his interactions with with Nick Fury like he's the reason the movie works if you had cast or some of the other choices I'd have to go back and look a little dain cuck or just like

[02:00:40] something all the time I can't remember what the but if you cast someone else I don't know that necessarily works um although uh I will say that the uh actor plays Buckingham Sebastian Stanislaus

[02:00:53] thank you I'm who I just wouldn't have been a good character America but I can't I'm honestly can't see anyone else other than Chris Evans so that's fair uh that's definitely fair for sure

[02:01:05] how about Jim um I'm gonna go with uh Maria Hill I think Maria Hill um in this movie she gets to be super spy a little bit more um and and gets to kind of be really fun anybody who's listening to the

[02:01:29] bugle knows my feelings about where Maria Hill is in modern day I'm see who but uh but yeah I think I think she's really she gets to kind of show off flexors super spinus in this movie

[02:01:47] and I I really enjoyed that um I don't think I picked her in Avengers didn't she she told I will say this my only slide pushback she's in the movie for three and a half minutes

[02:01:59] that's true it is short it is short time short and sweet I think you can see arman's allah no not quite well let's let's get into our rankings in overall uh impression for those who

[02:02:15] aren't familiar we do like to try and say top third middle third bottom third kind of as a quantitative thing there's about 30 movies in the MCU so make sense to break it down into thirds

[02:02:27] that's about 10 each so for me um my overall ranking I'm gonna say this is an easy top third I think that this is definitely top 10 this is not me being crazy Ryan who puts everything in the

[02:02:47] top 10 I think that this has staying power with the top 10 this is a very good movie so I will put this in the top 10 I also do think I think just overall this was a really good

[02:03:04] movie it was a return to kind of the simple superhero it was a return to a super simple a simple superhero movie without being absolutely simple right and that's I think that's what we saw

[02:03:22] in Thor Dark World was oversimplification this left a little bit of complexity in which is what we want out of the MCU but it wasn't so complex like Iron Man 3 where we're investigating the

[02:03:36] inner psyche of a superhero um it was it was very it was fun it's a fun movie to watch while still having a little bit of challenge just to keep the brain going yeah at at two hours

[02:03:50] in 23 minutes it is well paced it doesn't slow down I don't feel like it drags a time it doesn't like it's not overwhelmed by big you know CGI scenes if you will there is actual um you know

[02:04:07] you see relationship dynamics between him and Peggy between him and that Tasha between Sam and and Cap Fury like it is it's easy top third for me like I don't know I haven't really given a lot of

[02:04:22] thought is like you know my top 10 but I it's probably top five it's really good it's really good looks great so it's so much fun absolutely well that that does it for us here at PewDiePie

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[02:06:14] the mid credit scene where we see Baron Von Strucker in a hydro research base in possession of Loki's spear he states that through hydrospies in shield or are though hydrospies within shield

[02:06:32] may be gone there are followers all around the world then he walks over to a pair of cells he stops in front of them and says it's not a world of spies anymore not even a world of heroes

[02:06:44] this is the age of miracles he also states that there's nothing more horrifying than a miracle one of the cells contains a man who is running around at tremendous speed you might even say

[02:06:59] that he is quick and has silver hair the other contains a few thoughts before destroying two of them hello Pietro and Wanda Maximoff aka quick silver and the Scarlett Witch I so a couple things one the obviously this is Wanda Maria Maximoff Petro Django Maximoff

[02:07:27] they made their very first convictory appearance in 1964 the brotherhood of evil mutants from X-Men number four and it was read by Stanley and Jack Kirby and this is the is it this is for a

[02:07:41] mutants what's it we're gonna eat X-Men come on they're not mutants they're miracles okay man I've read that I've read this comment here mutants you can call miracles you can call them you know you know fountains of cosmic abilities you can call whatever it means like sorry

[02:07:59] I do I do remember in the moment being like man they just had to dance around you instant they they they didn't even like try and hide it you know using another M word right in there and

[02:08:10] for those who don't know in the comic book continuity the Max Moff twins are actually Magnitos children which you don't we spoiler alert we won't see in the MCU that they're their Magnitos children but it was also interesting because at the time you also had a quick silver

[02:08:35] happening over in the Fox universe with days of future past you had a different quick silver happening which was always weird as somebody who consumed all these movies so knowing that you had to

[02:08:49] quick silver's going on but yeah yeah I I know they had their bad deal with 23 fox and I couldn't use the term mutants but I was still calm whatever you want to call like

[02:09:02] you know post-drawn to sandwiches I don't care like I'm just gonna see them heck yeah so then in a post-credits scene so that happened in the middle of the credits I was like after all the stars went through

[02:09:14] then in our post-credits scene we see Bucky walking around the Captain America exhibit at this Smithsonian which by the way this Captain America exhibit has freaking legs this isn't last time

[02:09:26] we're gonna see it in the MCU even so Bucky stops to read kind of about himself and his biography I do like I do like that they just ask her which is where the man can and it looks like

[02:09:43] Stanley has been fired so yeah bummer fam swamp wamp but yeah so again great movie thank you for joining me David always a good time to to record here and everybody come on back for Guardians of the Galaxy next month see you all