Puny Pod | Phase 2 Episode 2 - Thor: The Dark World (ft. Dan from The Supreme Resort)

[00:00:00] Welcome to Puny Pod, the podcast that reminds you. If podcasting were easy, everyone would do it. Wait a second.

[00:00:53] I'm a fiddest. And joining us this week, we have a special guest. We have Dan here. He's from the Supreme Resort, scraping the vault, Dan hates the Beatles, and his 35-year run on The Hub crawl. Hey Dan, how's it going today?

[00:01:08] Hey, I managed to pull myself out of bed for the first time since Thursday night in order to have this record. For the listener, we're recording on Saturday. Oh, so yeah, it's been a rough couple days for me.

[00:01:24] Oh, because you had to watch this movie, right? That's what it's been about. Sure. I don't know how I'm not sure you get into the other things around here. Yeah. It's been a rough couple days for America. That's all the time. Yeah. Oh, boy. Sorry, everyone.

[00:01:57] Dan, let's see here. We ask all of our guests this on their first time in. What is your relationship with Marvel? Did you read the comics as a kid? Did you read the comics as an adult? What's your relationship with Marvel?

[00:02:23] Oddly enough, this is not a plan, but it just occurred to me that growing up, I had an ant named Marvel. My family should be talking to us. No, but Marvel, let's see. Was she out in body chance?

[00:02:40] No, well, no, okay. Maybe catch up the bar still or something. Right. So I grew up watching Saturday morning cartoons and I think Spider-Man and Friends was on. And I would like that. I was kind of a super friends kid, but I know that's DC.

[00:03:05] But I think my friends were into Marvel and I was kind of into the aesthetic of it. I didn't at the time know that a different stream Marvel DC, of course.

[00:03:18] I think at the time if you would have asked me, I would have gone with DC just because it was less was more obvious at the time. I grew up in basically in the 80s, so that gives you an idea where

[00:03:30] that's going. So I was kind of aware that this thing existed and it was kind of different in some way. And I think the first time that I really encountered Marvel as a thing was at my

[00:03:47] not butcher, Barbara Chop as a kid. And he had this little waiting area for kids and just random language stuff that was thrown in there. One of them was a doctor strange comic.

[00:04:03] And I remember I think I had learned I knew enough about words to know that strange and weird were buzzwords to me. I was like, oh, it's strange and weird. So I read reading it by that.

[00:04:19] I mean looking at the pictures because I'm like the read. I can but I don't like to. And I was just so I was completely taken in by the visuals and there was some nerdy blanket there

[00:04:32] who was kind of explaining stuff to me and I'm like shut up nerd. You explained a lot. I explained a few things and I was like, okay that's kind of cool. And then getting older, more and more friends were in some Marvel and they would kind of let

[00:04:49] me borrow some comics and I had a friend Winslow who would kind of give me the like the mainly with X-Men. He'd be like, okay you need to read these because these are cool.

[00:05:03] This is a cool storyline and I'd be okay. Cool. I trust you. And so Marvel was something that was happening around me but not really to me, but I also knew enough to get excited about certain

[00:05:21] things when they started to get released in movies. I didn't do anything about Thor. So when I watched the first one, I was like, oh okay that's too Thor is. And then when I kind of saw a little bit of

[00:05:35] this one, I'm assuming we'll get into what that means later. But I was kind of like always waiting for that doctor's strange moment and any tease that came up with Dr. Strange, I was like, okay,

[00:05:47] I'm going to get that. And then so basically the weirder things got with Marvel, the more I was like, here it comes because I know what gets weirder than the guy in the robots here. So I was just

[00:06:02] just like waiting for that but also like taking in anything new like Guardians of the Galaxy, it's like don't know anything about that. Let's see what that's about. I'm probably going to

[00:06:11] enjoy it and I did. But anyway that's my story, the end. That's fair. That's fair. I think everybody's got to have that person who like that's that I think that's a key feature of

[00:06:27] getting into comics is the person who tells you read this, don't read that. You know this is what's interesting and so really cool to have that key person for sure. Yeah and a big part of the

[00:06:43] curation process for me was kind of this friend of mine understanding that I don't need all the details. I don't need like I don't need to know what size underwear spider man wears, you know,

[00:06:58] just like or he would even say like don't even bother with this storyline or this character or whatever. So it's good. Nice. Well this month we are covering Thor the Dark World

[00:07:13] which we alluded to a little bit there. So as we usually do in this podcast, I'm going to hand it off to David for the first little bit here to tell us some of the production details around the

[00:07:27] were the Dark World. Thor Dark World. Let's get into it. It is the sequel to the original Thor film. It was released in November 8, 2013 so just six months after Iron Man 3. So there there's starting to crank them out. This is phase two second installment the eighth movie overall.

[00:07:48] It is run time is 1 hour 52 minutes and it felt like every minute of that. It is it is tied with the incredible Hulk as the shortest Marvel movie to date. Financials. So production budget was 170 million which is up to 20 million from the original

[00:08:07] Thor. Domestic open weekend was 86 million original Thor was 65 million. Domestic grows 438 million worldwide growth, 644 million as compared to 440 million for the original Thor. So as far as worldwide gross in 2013 it's right behind Man of Steel and just ahead of the

[00:08:29] crudes. It is a great no right like at least mid to the top 11. Thor Dark World ranks number 21 amongst MC movies in terms of worldwide gross so just behind Dr Strange and just ahead of Ant-Man the Wasp. So rotten tomatoes critics review 66% audience 75%. This is the lowest

[00:08:55] ranked MC you film until we get to the eternal in 2020 to the one. So enjoy that for well. Dr. Wasp can be Kenneth Brenna who is a nominated Academy Award for Best Director and

[00:09:11] he opted out in order to quote quote recharge. He felt like it was too quick to turn around and make the movie so he opted out. Cool, cool. Patty Jenkins Wonder Woman she was then attached

[00:09:23] and directing the movie would have made her. Jenkins see then the first female film I could tell me a big budget superhero movie. She wanted the issue was she went change the story

[00:09:33] quite a bit people Disney didn't want to run the risk of rewrites delaying the film because it had that tight release schedule and it was the only live action movie which is important

[00:09:44] to their their holiday quarter. So her script rewrite had a tone similar wrote Roman Juliet it focused heavily on Thorne James relationship but she felt ultimately that the script was quote unquote

[00:09:57] a bismal and she knew full well that if she would be blamed if she stayed on and it would impact her career which is probably a wise choice. So they went with Alan Taylor who had directed

[00:10:08] TV shows like soprano, sex and city deadwood, madman game thrones and he was approached by Fyghie and he was then brought into the work his next film just a little little trivia look Taylor's next film was Terminator Genesis which is awful and has a 26% critics

[00:10:29] consensus on Ron Tomatoes. So this is actually by my math twice as good. The screenplay was by Chris Riose he was a grad student just an unknown grad student at the time from Universal Michigan

[00:10:41] he had written some stuff for while he was at getting his MFA USC and then he wrote various Marvel comics and then he would write a series of TV series so Xman evolution the Avengers

[00:10:58] might as heroes and then he was later would co-write Thorne Rok and then Chris from Marcus and Steve McFeely who wrote Captain America first venture were also and would also write the Avengers stuff they were also brought into co-write. So same castor characters principally

[00:11:16] Chris Hemsworth is Thorne Rok and now the permanent Jane Foster Tom Adelson is Loki. We have Christopher Eccleston as Malikith, Cat Dining shows up again. We have Anwale Akaneuwe Abba J who plays Augerman Curse, Suranti Hopkins,

[00:11:34] other new characters we see as Jonathan Howard is Ian and we have Zach Lee Beez, Fandrol and Chris O'Dowd as Richard those are the new characters. From a screen time perspective kind of odd when you think about this as a Thorne Bobby's only in about 34 minutes

[00:11:53] Christopher like Tom Hiddleston's in for 17 but like Malikith's in for less than 10 minutes um, Siff in the Warrers 3 have like a total screen time 11 minutes so didn't quite get a lot of the characters a lot of

[00:12:06] screen time that would come change in future films. I'll take casting so Mads Mikkelson was originally the original choice before Christopher Eccleston was cast but turned it down to his sketch and commitments to do Hannah Blybler was. The another front writer for Malikith was Ben

[00:12:24] Comerbatch which would have been fun. And then Josh Alspus was supposed to return his Fandrol but he was committed once upon a time so he was replaced with Zach Lee Levy who was

[00:12:38] the original choice for the role. So this may come as a shock but a lot of people were not fond of this experience. We've kind of seen this in some of the MCU movies it's a common theme where

[00:12:50] if there's a bit of a struggle or if there's some bumps in the road it turns out the movie quality is not as good. So the director Alan Taylor said in 2021 he suffered a breakdown

[00:13:02] as a result of the difficulties in getting the movies made together as well as the firm uh the failure of trimming their genesis which almost caused them to quit making films. Chris Hemzworth

[00:13:12] was skeptical of the movie's bleak and dark tone and after this one he's tired of playing his character. Natalie Portman was unhappy when Patty Jenkins left and she tried to leave and no one

[00:13:25] reasons did she stay at home because she didn't want to be sued for breach of contract. And in 2016 she was like I'm not doing this again although she did ultimately return for Thor Levent Thunder

[00:13:35] it just ill but complained about it. I think the one who had it the worst so was Chris for Eccleston. He admitted that he only took the role for the first place for money. He claims

[00:13:46] Marvel misled him by neglecting the mention he could be required to sit in a makeup chair for six to eight hours a day to put on his prosthetics and uh he later described making the film as

[00:13:55] quote just a gun in your mouth. But on the positive side Chris had to play his Jane State found the film experienced to be so unmemorable that he completely forgot he was even in the

[00:14:07] film a few years later. So um but Faggy had big hopes for this he could he described this movie as quote the Star Wars episode five Empire Strikes Back version of Marvel Thor Levent Saga.

[00:14:22] Got it. It could have been though I think I mean I wonder if this is a case there's like I get the feeling from a lot of this like hearing the history and you even watching the movie

[00:14:39] just sound like sent that at nobody really had there are multiple visions but everyone's like no not that the love story that's Chris let's do this or let's you know and I think that

[00:14:54] I think it's just muddled and weird but I actually like this movie I'm when I say that it's not like I don't even recognize I recognize that it's not everyone's in favor and I recognize that

[00:15:17] it's probably I think I couldn't see why but I'm curious to pick your brands about that but I don't I don't want to say anything wrong with this movie I don't understand why it's so

[00:15:30] widely disliked. Yeah and I think and I think we'll probably get into this a little bit more later but I think this movie had it been made of phase later when Marvel was more comfortable

[00:15:48] taking more risks being more weird this movie could have been really good this movie was held back by trying to maintain the kind of grounded like traditional superhero type of thing that Marvel was doing at the time right there was a lot of traditional superhero you know

[00:16:09] guy saves earth kind of stuff that they were trying to maintain because they thought that was the box office magic have this been made after guardians of the galaxy or on down the line when

[00:16:20] you could have just put it all in space instead of having to ever go to earth like we did in this movie right I think it would have been far better and and it sounds like the production details

[00:16:32] go into that right there's no one clear vision that drove it forward it's just muddled it's it's a slap together I guess will make the superhero thing type of movie

[00:16:43] it shifted quite a bit I was gonna get into a little bit later on but like Loki wasn't even supposed to be in the movie but he was so popular in the Avengers were like okay let's completely

[00:16:51] rewrite this the the Maliketh character was in way more scenes it was cut out and he's got less than 10 minutes of screen time and so you can understand why he's pretty bitter about that so

[00:17:01] you've got this weird kind of disjointed oh let's do this let's try to pick pieces and elements of different things it worked really well and it just turned into like a podge podge mess I great

[00:17:10] if he'd released later maybe you let James gun take it over like that would have been this cool it would have been a much better series and I'm with you Dan like I don't I don't

[00:17:21] there's nothing offensive about the movie I know it's low you know something has to be the lowest rate of anything but you know when I have to rewatching the first time and I just put down the laptop

[00:17:33] stop taking notes and just watched it through it was fine that's fine yeah yeah and I think Ryan you brought a good point I think like to my mind this movie like like I was talking

[00:17:44] about like okay we're gonna get to the really weird stuff right and it was good to hold to Dr. Strange came after this right right okay so it was good to hold off that for as long as it's kind

[00:17:57] of as long as possible but I felt like this movie kind of an remember watching at the time this I felt like this movie kind of jumped on the grenade of like okay at some point we're gonna have

[00:18:10] to crack this egg of putting audiences in a place that they weren't really entirely ready for and so kind of go like okay that's kind of where we're going now guys and I think

[00:18:24] guardians could have maybe not looking at it from that point from that time point of view but definitely looking back I think guardians would have been perfectly suited to jump on that grenade

[00:18:40] and open up the field for this one to kind of really stretch and be all the things that it possibly could be maybe all these people suck and I'm just weird I don't know but like

[00:18:54] I mean there's something there I don't yeah it's almost like watching fan forestic where it's like I can kind of see the movie that this can be and I like that movie a lot um this one it doesn't

[00:19:09] it doesn't have that level of the studio messing with it as fan forestic but it kind of it has a touch of that yeah yeah definitely can feel that and so you actually touched on kind of our

[00:19:23] next couple of questions here sorry a little bit I'm glad I'm glad you gave me a sweet sweet like what sort of I'm looking for segue segue yeah I totally botched it but here we are

[00:19:41] so I guess I'll pass it to David first David thinking back to your very first viewing of this movie if you can remember it what was that like I honestly do not remember watching this movie before

[00:19:57] the first time I know I've absorbed it I probably unlike a DVD years ago or you maybe it African out but I didn't love the first Thor movie and I just recall this was if I remember correctly

[00:20:13] it was in and out theater pretty quickly and I just seeing it around just saying it fair enough how about Dan do you remember anything about your first time? I remember kind of a lot about

[00:20:26] the time period um I was working in a movie theater at the time um Mayor may not have been a man it no I was not a manager but I was working at the box office so I would kind of have to

[00:20:43] explain things to people that were obnoxious um and I was also and I think this is probably essential to my enjoyment and or acceptance of this movie being how it is I was also in a

[00:21:01] music history class and I'm almost certain that at this same time or around then we were either learning about opera or had already learned about it and a I kind of approached it

[00:21:18] watching it and I think it was because I was explaining it some of this to actually my friend Alex who is on the most recent episode for this recording of the screen resort kind of explaining it like

[00:21:31] this whole thing is kind of like opera it's way overblown it's over the top the stakes are vague but big the emotions are kind of broad strokes like who's the bad guy well we didn't

[00:21:47] really get to a killmonger place yet so the bad guy is just he's just a bad guy he's just a bad guy who just wants to do darkness and look and I remember watching it with that sort of point

[00:22:03] of view of like oh this is just a big dumb opera knowing that it's a big dumb opera trying to be nothing more than a big dumb opera and I was like cool this totally works I like it but I probably

[00:22:16] saw it a couple times I know I know I saw it and I'm X because it was free yeah I love I was gonna say that I love the idea of you were like really like nerding out of the details are like okay guys

[00:22:32] this is during the convergence the nine realms of additional all in alignment and this results in very physical and dimensional anomalies and just be like okay let's get the crude take it

[00:22:44] into that. No I and I think I ended up being kind of the the soul explainer in the box office because I would like I would kind of look at the person and be like okay Eliko home pig farmer let me

[00:23:02] explain it the way that they're most likely to understand it I would occasionally say things like Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter is a documentary but whatever I mean if you're asking me what

[00:23:17] what it's about like it's in the title but like they would ask okay well what's this do I do I do I need to understand this do I need to know this I said I think the way I explained it to

[00:23:28] people is like if you don't know anything about Thor you'll get it but you won't know that you're getting it so just like go for the ride but yeah it just absolutely is not for everyone and I

[00:23:42] remember David you said 60% on Rotten Tomatoes in our group chat that we have for all that here's up shows except for years up itself because we're secret we were talking about how kind of sometimes

[00:23:58] that's that 60% brought into me to a score that it's like this window of 60 to 80% of like if it's a real genre movie that could actually be a good thing because it could be like

[00:24:14] this isn't for everyone but boy howdy did you know the evil dead really you know make me vomit you know yeah it doesn't out it does for movies that don't need to have that brought appeal

[00:24:31] and should not have that brought appeal right there there's genres of movies that should not have a hundred percent if if you're looking at it and I think this might be that one because I think

[00:24:43] whichever movie was gonna be the one to jump on that grenade as I said I think was destined to be an issue it's sort of like the the last Jedi problem where it's like okay well you

[00:25:00] can want to go in this direction a lot of people aren't gonna like it yeah even if it's a great movie you're gonna get some negative feedback here um I mean it's not nearly as good of a movie

[00:25:14] as the last Jedi of course how about you run movie ever made what was your uh well yeah was your early memory of this so this was definitely another went to with the comic book store

[00:25:28] midnight premiere type of viewing um for anybody who this is their first episode I for a significant chunk of the MCU I was going with um my local comic book store at the time it

[00:25:49] was Griffin Games and comics in Fort Collins we would rent out the whole theater really cool experience kind of uh being being in that space with all the same people I do remember walking like

[00:26:03] seeing the disappointment on faces as we walked out because I think even in that group I think it was I think it was an experience of extremes I think there was either people who were walking at like

[00:26:17] oh my gosh that was really fun you know cool we're getting we're pushing the weird there's also the aftercredits scene that that kind of confirms some of the overarching story that's happening right now

[00:26:29] and so that that kind of got some people really excited on the flip side there was also the like what the hell did we just watch type of faces and the like oh this is in what I wanted

[00:26:46] so I think it was really cool to be in that and I will say that that experience thinking back on no matter what the movie was very much colored the way that I experienced movies in their first

[00:27:09] few weeks of being open um because I was experiencing it with the people who were the target audience for these things right I I my very first experience with any of these movies at the time whether it

[00:27:25] was Star Wars or Marvel movies or whatever was the directly targeted audience for it which was really interesting and I found that interesting as we went through and I would like

[00:27:37] look at critic reviews or talk to friends who went to see it kind of in a general population sense and that sort of thing and it meant that I I kind of just experienced differently which was

[00:27:54] fascinating to me that like just just filling a movie with a bunch of sweaty nerds meant that you had that monument to leave a different experience to start off the the run of a

[00:28:11] I wonder if how much of the disappointment I guess with this movie was because this was right after Avengers right and up until this point it was like I mean I'm nerdy about a lot of things so

[00:28:28] I don't want to like be disparaging when I say comic book nerds I'm definitely nerdy about theme parks and all sorts of music everything so like it's like that thing where like when there's something that you're nerdy about and it's like that thing that everybody who isn't

[00:28:48] nerdy about it is like there's that dumb thing you like shut up not that dumb thing when then like we got iron man and it's like oh god this is actually a good movie and I can

[00:28:58] like I could take my grandmother to this movie and she won't like beat me up for being a nerd after where it's right again and then and then we have the string of movies where it's kind of

[00:29:09] operates like that where it's like I mean I am into maybe not but there's the string of really big like universally appreciated movies for everybody about this nerdy crap right yeah and

[00:29:26] and there must have been at the time this feeling of like okay yes finally I can talk to these people about this thing and we can share this experience because ever we all like that right we all

[00:29:37] like to have a thing that we love that becomes also enjoyed unless you're a hipster you then you know put a bit of pirate hat on but then I feel like there is this there might have been this

[00:29:50] string of like and just applying my own nerdyness to this the string of like oh thank god it's good oh thank god this one yeah okay good oh thank god it's okay it's actually good um and then this one

[00:30:06] I can see taking that perspective watching it and going like okay I know what they're doing and I get it yeah I get it but my crime is gonna beat me up again like yeah well and it almost

[00:30:23] becomes a one two punch because just before this one we had Iron Man 3 right which Iron Man 3 was I love it and we talked about it a little bit in that episode where like it's definitely a polarizing

[00:30:40] um a kind of almost I would say in an opposite way where it's like okay we're gonna make an immensely watchable movie that kind of plays loose and whatever with some of the comic book nerd stuff

[00:30:55] exactly exactly it was the comic book nerds being their grandmother up which is elder abuse than we can't have that Exactly well um let's talk about kind of where we were at going into watching it now right so fast forward from 2013 to 2023 watching it this month so

[00:31:22] Dan what was your kind of thoughts going into the rewatch you know where you looking forward to it what were your thoughts I don't know how many of our 12 listeners for scraping the

[00:31:41] vault listen to your podcast as well but um I I guess a majority if I'm not I have made the joke on that podcast that Jimmy has given himself Stockholm syndrome by having to like convincing himself that the made for video Disney

[00:32:06] sequels are actually good and they're not they're terrible so I have developed kind of an opposite thing where almost any time I press play on anything on Disney plus I like come and check them like

[00:32:20] oh it's gonna be bad but I also I remember having I enjoyed this movie when I watched it but I also have heard about how I'm wrong for liking it and I thought maybe it was like

[00:32:44] time specific thing maybe maybe I will hate this movie and I'll be able to say oh I get it and we just like make fun of it together um but I just I enjoyed it I don't know I yeah and I

[00:32:59] in watching it I was just like what am I not getting like I can almost see it but it's like oh that's dumb there are plenty of other movies that are almost really good that we think are

[00:33:16] good you know like and like I texted you to while I was watching it's like do you see just doesn't make movies like this anymore yeah yeah yeah sure the yeah I don't know I just uh

[00:33:31] of course I'm not gonna get into it more but like I just watch this I'm thinking like anyone who likes any Zack Snyder DC movie and doesn't enjoy this movie too is just wrong

[00:33:46] and I think it was a timing thing it came out after Avengers and like I don't know yeah that's fair and and came out before Zack Snyder was building the it was bringing that fanbase out of the

[00:33:58] woodworks because man of steel was the same time as this which and I love Man of Steel too yeah like I legitimately love it because it addresses the problem of if you have a super powered

[00:34:12] god who is invincible what threat could you possibly throw him oh another one of him and then what happens mass destruction yeah you get a bunch of people standing up for the rebel going like

[00:34:27] thank you I think we're saved question why question sorry anyone who am I toss this off too let's let's toss it off to David you know I'm used to my fort the format on my 35 year run at the

[00:34:48] hub crawl so the question is this where Disney parks ride over this run at B air what do you think now I so I approached this with it I I'm pushed with like an open mind of like let me watch

[00:35:08] us again I don't really remember a lot of the movie from first watch kind of like the first Thor to be honest and so the first Thor was better than I thought it would be on rewatch house

[00:35:20] you know knew about some of the issues about how the creatives the actors didn't like doing it it kind of comes off in the film that the people don't really seem like they're like being there

[00:35:30] different points in time and I know it was rushed and it feels rushed on watch so I just wanted to kind of see how one I want to see how would be how it would strike me on rewatch knowing

[00:35:43] that it was poorly rated but just giving in an open you know an open view and then two again like everything else Marvel like seeing how it's connected to the rest of the other films

[00:35:55] how would you run? That's fair that's fair yeah I I think at this point I was so my wife loves this movie this is like one of her favorite Marvel movies and so I was kind of excited to go back

[00:36:10] to it and I think I've mentioned this on the podcast usually my methodology is the first watch through I watched with my wife to kind of also get some of her impressions on these on rewatch

[00:36:23] and I told her I was like I'm like watching you closely because I want to see how somebody who like unabashedly loves this movie and then unironically hates the next two Thor movies I want to see

[00:36:37] how they like experience this that's interesting yeah so I was really excited for that and I was excited to kind of get back into it you know try because I similar to what we've all talked about

[00:36:54] like I don't I think it's very similar to what you said Dan where like I don't full on hate this movie and there's a cultural hate for this movie yeah in fact I on our last monthly bugle I had

[00:37:12] prepared kind of a version of clickbaiting nonsense that happened to be the night that we were recording watch mojo drop to their top 10 worst Marvel movies and this was number one like the worst

[00:37:27] worst of course um and so I don't know I was like going back into it I was like is it that bad like am I just not remembering like what's going on here and and again I think I think it does

[00:37:41] suffer from like something has to be the worst I also don't think it's lore stems to you movie and it's done and we'll talk about that in the overall rankings but you know I I was going into it

[00:37:52] with this like criticalize similar to the Iron Man movies where like I love the Iron Man movies so I wanted to go into them and understand like why do people hate two and three right why why is

[00:38:03] they're that that general dislike and for this one it kind of think the question was left still kind of unanswered they're they're just I think it does get a lot of unwelcome dislike I think this

[00:38:19] could end up being kind of the inverse of what I was talking about where your grandmother's beating you up um where this was a very convenient movie for people to prove that they didn't

[00:38:34] just love every Marvel movie because it was of our Marvel movie but like well I didn't like that one that one stupid right and I think it's a it's a very easy place to like hang that little bad

[00:38:45] jump of like I just I bought and finally don't love everything that they do and yeah maybe that me there's some sincerity in that but it's also extremely convenient to shut those people up to be like

[00:38:58] well I didn't like that one where then where like Iron Man 2 is just it's just a bad movie right yeah I don't remember anything from that movie and I have seen it like at least a million times

[00:39:10] it I will tell you it does not age well as the Iron Man fan on the show let's just say the best of the worst of that movie are the Elon Musk and Bill O'Reilly camey is hmm that's like

[00:39:25] the best of the worst of that movie wasn't one of the characters basically Elon Musk Tony Stark right yes Tony Stark would better PR and a different accent yeah oh goodness well this is about the time in the show where we do usually take a quick break

[00:39:46] or at least we have started recently taking a quick break so with that being said I'm gonna go ahead and we will head out to a quick ad break once we get back we will jump into the movie so see you all after the break

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[00:40:39] maybe now she can get me some purple stuff smell you later losers and we are back all right well let's jump into the movie breakdown so again we're reviewing Thor the Dark World here so we start off with a voiceover by Odin who's telling us a story from

[00:41:02] 2988 BC about Malikith and the Dark Elves Malikith wants to return the universe back to the darkness using a weapon that he created called the ether which grants its users basically the power to manipulate matter we see Odin's father bore and the Asgardians clash with the Dark Oves

[00:41:29] and the warriors called the cursed on their homeworld of and I should have tried to practice this all these various realm names but that's what the salt part of the time finished you make Danishes the thing you get them in your bloke of ones

[00:41:51] I think you have to do small to him and just try to hide by the way I think and I don't know if this is the plot if this is a point where you want us to interrupt

[00:42:03] you and talk about things before okay great um they kind of I again this is one of those things looking back I don't know how they could have explained what the red goo was other than it just

[00:42:17] being ether but I don't know that this movie does itself any favors or has any favors done to it by having it just be like that's good it's this red stuff that just kind of does the thing

[00:42:34] I don't think it's the exact same thing and again I don't know that this is something that they could have had the time or if anyone at the I don't know how I don't know how self-force this

[00:42:47] error is you know what I mean like it could have just been like a what the hell are we going to explain this to people yeah and that's that's what like throughout this movie

[00:43:01] I strikes me as it's it's a template movie for lack of a better way of saying it like this movie follows a template and just doesn't do more than that doesn't do less than that and in

[00:43:13] everything is generic bad guy number three generic plot device number four and and that's kind of it's it's a benefit it's a benefit if you just want to turn on a movie and just watch a movie

[00:43:28] yeah not think about it I get it it's an opera all it needs to do is be pretty and like look cool and have some moments where you go oh that's right that's literally all it needs to

[00:43:42] and and those of you who don't know if you don't know anything about like opera and you think oh I'm supposed to think it's classy and it's not it's total trash like it's like and that like

[00:43:55] it's trash for rich people who like I want trash but it's fancy as trash so they don't have to remind themselves that they're watching trash that's all it is truthfully truthfully yeah

[00:44:10] and I think this yeah you hit the nail on the head well well said so so once the aether or ether and I'm gonna pronounce that about a million times incorrectly I guarantee it

[00:44:23] once the aether is removed by the as guardians the battle is lost and malachids sacrifice his own people to escape uh board decides to safeguard the ether by throwing it into the fires of Mount

[00:44:37] Doom but considering just kidding by burying a demon or no one will ever find it an unbeknownst to bore malachids along with algorithm and a handful of dark elves escape into suspended animation

[00:44:53] actually has got winds and it's over good thing you brought up something that I forgot that I thought about while watching this is that this movie kind of I don't know how blatant again

[00:45:08] it's hard to it's hard to determine intent but I'm gonna you know in good faith assume that they knew what they were doing and this movie kind of borrows from some Harry Potter aesthetics and some

[00:45:20] Lord the Rings aesthetics and I think that if any Marvel property can or should this is the one yeah I can imagine a lot of you know nerds for those properties what seeing that and going like

[00:45:36] ooh but like I mean it's there it's there to use there was yeah there was a I didn't see there's a star versus aesthetics as well as yeah there's a few scenes where that

[00:45:47] veil is so thin and this was one of them where it was almost the exact argument from like Lord of the Rings with cast it off into the fire no I'll keep it I'll keep it safe whatever

[00:46:01] it was almost that exact argument that bore was having in this moment well I remember reading Jay tokens Twitter feed at the time and thinking and he said I can't believe these people rip me off

[00:46:18] was that in response to to Abraham Lincoln yes on his vampire hunting trip no I guess what I'm trying to say is it like yeah there's some borrowing going on but at some point like I mean

[00:46:33] what are you gonna do come up with a new idea for what a laser is like it's just a thing like there's kind of you pick one of the three that exist you know and this this one of the things I

[00:46:49] really liked about Thor or I like about Thor in general is it does has it has that thing or just like oh is it magic no it's not magic we're just super technologically advanced and we just I don't

[00:47:01] enjoy rent fair and like I don't know like the other part that's this is what the comment would guide it um so and it has a lot in common with like crawl which is a movie that I think Disney needs to

[00:47:19] remake now but it's just this property sitting there that has it's just some also they just need to like go scoop it up um but this this cool thing that was really really like cutting edge in the

[00:47:39] 80s where it's like is it sci-fi is it fantasy oh my bone and and I mean the the Thor comics have been around for I don't know how long it's a very very long time yes yeah so like if it's it kind of

[00:48:04] yeah they could have come up with other things but I feel like at the same time it's like this is Thor guys it's been around for a long time if anyone can grandfather in these elements it kind

[00:48:15] of like we could just say it came from us like why not right we don't know that it didn't for sure for sure yeah that's that's that's what gets interesting in fantasy is like anything fantasy based there's just a certain there's only a small palette and the thing

[00:48:38] of it is that entire palette was created while mass media was a thing right someone needs to create a new dragon dammit no we have that's a dragon right uh a lava that tastes like cheese that's

[00:48:55] not a lava these are things in the world like I don't know for sure though that's super real and I and I think borrowing the aesthetics um I don't think it was hack in any sort of way or I don't

[00:49:11] think it was done poorly it it's just funny on rewatch looking back and be like oh that's like almost that exact thing well and also at that time period you had like like I don't know five people

[00:49:25] who were doing all of these things so it's like okay it's like if you hire Rick Burman it's gonna there will be some elements from not Rick Burman has to start to act right right uh yeah if you

[00:49:37] hire the guy that did the makeup for Freddie Kruger you're gonna get some help we skin somewhere you know yeah um so from there we move over to present day as guard and Loki is being brought home after his

[00:49:57] crimes on earth during the day of New York and he's died it by the high guard of as guard he's brought before everything right my still got him died it um Odin is really frustrated angry and Anthony Hopkins uses his only

[00:50:26] change of emotion that he ever knows how to do in these movies which is suddenly deciding one sentence to yell um you weren't it's kind of your word stuff man so Loki's banished to the dungeons

[00:50:41] until that he will never see his mom frig ever again I actually think Anthony Hopkins was the only actor who knew he was in an opera that's fair then when you look at the way he acted he

[00:50:55] absolutely does that like just zero to 60 and very much like stage actors kind of thing so is he at this point in time just channeling is he just basically gonna have to British

[00:51:07] out the chain out this time in this film he's just screaming the whole time yeah but yeah I think that would be British out the chain out yeah okay just checking thank you would British Robert to Narrow Bay Jeremy I earns as a good submission yeah

[00:51:28] just because I can yeah I think he knocked it out on the first one I can't think of especially if you take into consideration they're both actors current careers oh so like younger listeners listening uh Jeremy I earn in there were things that used to be called movies

[00:52:04] movies but you're what your grandparents dream um so cut to fandrel ballstag and siff fighting an army on vanheim so silly when he's dead vanheim which is the home of their comrade hogan hogan hyp his heroes are there

[00:52:33] my grandma's gonna beat me up just just chill where the hogan heroes reference little saviour song oh that's great that Colonel clank was in this oh so time where rives to vanheim to try and help his friends fight in what is the

[00:52:59] final battle of a war to bring peace to the nine realms a megalith of peers to fight Thor siff kind of lets him know all yours Thor walks up to the monster greets him monster wars back Thor says I accept your surrender crowd all laughs and then

[00:53:19] in actually what is a genuinely kind of funny moment Thor smashes the rock the monster into small rocks and says anyone else the morauders also render and fandrel says perhaps next time

[00:53:35] you should start with the big one this was a cool little callback to journey into mist or yeah journey into mystery number 83 where the stone men from Saturn attack earth they are the

[00:53:49] cronin which actually if you listen to the chant in this scene I believe that's what the crowd is chanting when the large rock monster comes out I think they're chanting cronin so

[00:54:05] Dan I'm sorry for for the hits from your grandma coming but yeah so this is kind of a cool little reference to a comic story um I'm doll beam's Thor back up to azgard where he where we get to see

[00:54:29] that the by frost has been reconstructed which is the rainbow bridge that we all know and it had been destroyed during the events of Thor Odin congratulates Thor I'm bringing peace to the nine

[00:54:43] realms and encourages him to forget about Jane and introduces the thinnest bee plot that I think I've ever seen in a movie with this love triangle between the Sith Thor and Jane it's awful like

[00:55:02] it's opening up a nice one yeah there's like a little scenes where it's just like Sith like locks eyes with Jane and it's supposed to be this like oh it's it's a love triangle

[00:55:19] and it's just it's terrible I don't know how I don't know how much we're supposed to read into that because I think yeah I think that uh Sith or whatever her name is um other Jane um she's

[00:55:37] so it's so slow as lame I don't know I'll come with something uh I feel like it's because they never really played up anything about there being any love interest there

[00:55:52] other than maybe there is and certainly it would be convenient for like the royalty and all of that crap that I'm sure is it play here I mean of course obvious choice you know I probably grew up

[00:56:06] the other probably gonna end up getting married or whatever but like I don't I really get the feeling from that where it's just like uh well I mean yeah I guess Thor's kind of do what Thor's gonna thaw right

[00:56:19] yeah I think it's I think it's another one of the we talked about how destroying to this is and how different ideas that went into this I think that this was one of those ideas that just

[00:56:31] somehow got left in but wasn't well developed and just kind of it just it just needs a little hint of follow through maybe she could just be like oh you must be Jane you know hey and then

[00:56:44] like some sort of like I don't love this but it's cool you know or the other direction where it's like you I once said something so in a proof right but in the comp but but to your point I mean

[00:56:59] I think they do you could have been a breadcrum and it could have been developed further I think I'm pretty sure that in the comics Thor and Siffam married and so might have been something

[00:57:10] we'd done in future movie but obviously never came back to it yeah the joke just so it'll be clean Siff would have asked in a very angry way what a certain part of Thor tastes like

[00:57:28] and then slaps her or pulls like a weave or something like that as an aside there's some amazing wigs in this movie sure yes sure it is we can write it I'm just I'm picturing it and it's wonderful

[00:57:48] you're just like a catfight it was just like hair pulling it's just like hey Jane I really don't have good stuff and he looks like he looks that are kind of sassy too like okay I mean since someone's asking

[00:58:19] guys since movies already fit you percent better I'm not just just with these three rides oh man so from from the room we jump over and we get some sweet hot shirtless Thor action happening

[00:58:39] but he isn't in the mood to celebrate he's at his he gets dressed and many heads to a celebration he doesn't go there sure this and he's talking to Siff and she tries to talk to him

[00:58:57] and he essentially is like thanks for your sword and your counsel but bye uh so then counselor code we know that well and that's gonna be thanking him for his sword well and that's where I get the feeling that there's like again I don't think that she loves

[00:59:14] that Thor is you know interested in a human or whatever but like she doesn't approach him in any like confrontation oh wait she's just like the app hates so we all know like where

[00:59:29] you're going like right that's and I think that's the like maybe that's the underdevelop part is like it seems like Odin is the only one who disapproves of Thor's relationship with the human Odin and Loki I guess

[00:59:46] because Loki gives him some crap about it being a heartbeat in his lifetime or whatever which is it we just true and I think I think that's an interesting thing to develop where it's just like okay

[00:59:57] what if these characters are genuinely like they're not like anti-J and they're just like Thor you know that this isn't gonna end well right yeah you know and that that seems on I think I think they struggled

[01:00:12] to develop that in a in a way that that gave it that way because Odin is seemingly anti-human right well he's like you know he's like you know he's like any royalty anti-antasy him yeah he's pro at scarty

[01:00:36] no but I mean he's thinking of it as like you know I want to maintain the throne and think about my legacy and like that would make sense and I think that they even alluded to that

[01:00:46] at some point in the movie where he's well it's okay never mind I almost got into I go almost gotten to double swivel territory but but you could have built that up though you could have

[01:00:57] had like the throne her or the throne and you see it kind of at the very end we won't jump ahead but like it's it's a hot out the the the whole relationship piece is just it's the part that's

[01:01:09] difficult for me is like they they have like a minute on earth right and they share the story and so forth and he's older about the non-realms and she pretend to show interest but like you don't see like

[01:01:20] this deep or like with this like the kind of solid and mopey thought it was just like man I can't wait to go back to you know dude you're in the arc you could have called her up like it's it's

[01:01:29] assumed just like it's it's just missing something you don't see that and it doesn't seem tragic if they're not together or whatever you know when I and I think what the hard part is is like

[01:01:41] in the first door movie that relationship and I remember us talking about this at the time that relationship was one of the most healthy in the in the the not the comic books in the the whole universe right is at the time you were choosing between

[01:01:58] Tony Stark and Pepper Potts which was a garbage romantic relationship at the time really how you're not right and then you have these two segments right as I wanted to say yes he's

[01:02:14] too he's gone down the sigma road and he's just you know he and Jesus Grimes now I get it yeah and then the the other options you have are like Betty Ross and Bruce Banner which

[01:02:36] not great I guess you you had Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter which that's a that is a solid relationship yeah but it's meant to be like a tragic relationship to some extent all right I mean that's

[01:02:50] torn apart by time and yeah yeah and I mean you know Betsy Ross is busy making those flags hello I will I probably said Betsy Ross I've Betty Ross clearly

[01:03:05] no you said it all right okay but yeah so so I think that that in in context here that makes it challenging just because it's like you had something so good and now it's just the fall

[01:03:21] through isn't there I just think though that it wasn't the strongest part of I mean it's weird because you need that in order to do the fish on a water story right but right it's all it's not

[01:03:35] the most interesting part of Thor that's true um so from from our our celebration we then cut over to London where Jane Foster is on a real awkward date and then Darcy Louis arrives

[01:03:57] and notices Jane has shower and put on lady clothes Darcy hands Jane a piece of equipment which is showing readings which are strange and Dr. Erick Selvick had talked about these readings

[01:04:12] unable to focus on the menu um Jane leaves the date and heads off to join Darcy so I want to ask you guys what's your read on how many dates in this for date is definitely first first date

[01:04:30] see it's so weird to me because he uses and maybe this is a cultural thing for like American versus British or whatever but like he uses her first name repeatedly which seems so weird to me just

[01:04:44] like Jane you can't think of this Jane we was supposed to call Miss Miss Foster or like lady even just leading out Jane just just like you can't think you can't make a decision there's three

[01:04:58] things on the menu like I don't know it was that that read weird to me I guess but I also think that we don't know how much time they've been at that table and it's why they've been at that table for a while

[01:05:13] and I think the way he handles it is a weird mix and the actor does it extremely well in what is otherwise it's not okay movie um this feeling of like I mean it's like I was saying like

[01:05:35] like with the self or whatever dumb name is Seth Seth Seth so the Seth in Rob's gonna call you Darcy deus how Darcy deus could have been like yeah you know

[01:05:57] I this isn't my first choice for how this goes but I do understand and I feel like that that character whatever his name is just kind of has that same approach of like I was

[01:06:06] clearly hoping that this would be an actual date but I mean you're going through some stuff you're a little bit damaged do what you need to do yeah that's fair that is fair yet and a

[01:06:21] I do love this introduction of Chris O'Dowd I was a big fan of the IT crowd which he was the main character and so seeing him in the MCU was really fun and I think he does play that subtle disappointment

[01:06:36] but also like okay go do it without like taking over the scene in that way yeah like what am I gonna be like a douche like yeah go take care of what you need to take care of you right

[01:06:48] so Darcy drives off with Jane her Darcy's in turn Ian pops up in the back seat and Jane tries to call Eric we see a news report where Eric Selvig is running around naked it's don't

[01:07:06] hinge trying to save people with his science equipment that was that actor that was the actor's call right that was I think he's just like okay because this is what we had a fair amount of

[01:07:19] ad living so the part where Darcy says that he went all banana balls and you're wearing lady clothes like all that stuff is improv and so I'm guessing he showed up and he's like well what do you

[01:07:30] want to how do you want to play this scene like well first I'm gonna get butt naked yeah rock around pixel anything yeah totally and you know you know papy scars guard is is like no I am not wearing a piece

[01:07:43] like no it's all little Gordon Ramsay on hotel hell on this thing oh yeah no he's he's full Monty for sure oh yeah right definitely do you think it was shot on location I would love it

[01:07:58] if it were it would be so good that's in this contract it's like I have to get to run around naked after that's this is in my writer green m&m's and I'm run around stone hinge but naked

[01:08:15] yeah yeah I mean yeah that family's very talented but they're they gotta be free because I mean not in the best way right that under standable goofy freak kind of way yeah yeah yeah so Jane Eandarcy enter an abandoned factory where objects have become begun to disobeyed

[01:08:39] the loss of physics they disappear into mid air they pop back up elsewhere they are eat a whole fire truck is easy to pick up um Jane separates from the group to investigate the reading she's

[01:08:53] found and she gets teleported to another world where she finds the ether and is infected by it um in a brief scene we we do see that Malakiff is woken up because of the ether being woken

[01:09:16] he announces the return of the convergence which is a rare alignment of the nine realms before we go and we get to see highmed-all and thore chilling on the bot by frost having some conversation

[01:09:33] highmed-all you know let's thore no do you remember the convergence that told you about accent yes it's alignment of the worlds and the approaches doesn't it highmed-all says you know we haven't seen this marbles since before my my watch began

[01:09:53] he said the I think that's a new level of saying the title of the movie in the movie is saying the title of the production company in the movie

[01:10:07] you can sense it even fewer can see it which and well it's a fixed can be dangerous it can be truly beautiful thore says I see nothing in highmed-all goes maybe that's not the beauty you seek in that exact

[01:10:22] information perhaps not does perhaps that does want to get thy beak wet David why hey Tony Stark everyone I want to pay for playboy which leads to a this whole conversation then leads into a discussion about Jane highmed-all said

[01:10:48] she's clever and that she's studying the convergence well even though she doesn't realize it and then he realizes he can't see her so thore goes to look for her it's a weirdly like this is one of those moments where and we refer to this on scraping the

[01:11:06] ball like I think the characters read the script you know like where it's like I mean yeah your it's a suspension of disbelief and I don't want to come down too hard on it but

[01:11:17] this just a touch of me it's just like so if they don't ask this one specific question at this one very specific time this movie doesn't happen right yeah I'm doll

[01:11:29] I'm doll says he's looking at nine realms in 10 trillion souls so he just happened to try and look for Jane at the exact moment where she was going and eating up the red goo and yeah so Jane waking up off of her purple stuff coma

[01:11:59] just to keep to me what it reminded me of the red goo it's like liquid gel out yes it's then you know we're just about to shift enough yeah yeah like almost like you can

[01:12:12] tell it's it kind of wants to be a solid but it's still liquid probably delicious but you don't want to touch it because it's still hot and I'm a little beat you up if you with your iron Antoinette it's someone saying gelo putting

[01:12:31] oh no what are we doing sorry that was David's impersonation of uh I can't think it was name oh no that's me no no I was gonna so they know Stanley which by the way David you're welcome now you can now that could be your impersonation of the

[01:13:08] I didn't like don't cost me some time doll you didn't you see that's potentially problematic but I can see 10 trillion people across all Stanley I didn't know your life's name was commute oh man all right okay we're 22 minutes into the movie uh we're watching through the dark world

[01:13:50] this is why this is why honestly this is why the hub crawls made it 35 years some tear moments like this yeah oh if you want more of this type of content go listen to bandfamilk podcast so we shift to Jane who wakes up off her purple stuff hangover

[01:14:17] I mean being under control of the she is those are the tis real and cool which is absolutely she lanes a sick kick flip and then starts talking to Darcy who informs Jane that she's been gone for sorry

[01:14:40] boom forms Jane that she has been gone for five hours so Jane's been gone for five hours as it starts to rain around them like in the literal circle around them Thor arrives and Jane takes the protection apparently because Thor can just create an umbrella in the sky

[01:15:03] takes the rain circle with her and leaves Darcy out in the rain how we know that this movie isn't as bad as it could be is it at no point does any character make a reference to making it rain like drop in pills

[01:15:24] really is a missed opportunity right yeah that's what we should do we should anti workshop this movie to be like okay how can we make this actually the worst okay I'm down for this let's do this

[01:15:40] so the thing there would be Thor would be like looks like I made it rain and then he like looks right at the camera in weeks and like the mehola just spits out dollar bills

[01:15:56] what up the like I like it would you rather have a money canning mehola or me or mehola I'm just drinking a lot of water today so it'd be super helpful times there's our drop for the episode

[01:16:20] there we go um as it rains around them so so Jane walks up to Thor she slaps him and they discussed where each of them has been he explains that he was gone because the bright bifurus was destroyed in the nine realms erupted in chaos she's like that's

[01:16:40] no you were in New York bro and he's like I forgot to call you my be the world was ending there's this act was her name is Natalie Portland and she didn't want

[01:16:55] to sign the contact for lenses that is one of my favorite things of like this era marvel is like I know there it was all contract arguments right yeah that's why pepper pots is hardly in a

[01:17:10] bunch of stuff that's why Natalie Portland didn't show up at times it was all just people like basically what we're hearing about now in the media about how bad marvel is to work for

[01:17:23] in some ways it was all going on at that time and yeah that's why this stuff happened I mean look these rich actors have the studios by the throat they can't make the movies

[01:17:36] they want to make anymore unless they get the right to use the digital image of these actors in future without their consent or permission come on money no money for it either it's a one-time

[01:17:50] payment come on I mean look your famous is now what you want I'm not gonna lie did like it in Indian Jones who's pretty cool I haven't seen it do they do princess layer what oh it's grandma

[01:18:06] Tarkin it's but it looks really good no it looks really good if you get Tarkins now yeah yeah it doesn't look anything like the loomsaw before don't worry about it it's good

[01:18:18] oh the Tarkins are good now so then Darcy arrives breaks up the reunion and brings in her her nice little awkwardness look at you I'll mussely and everything how space Jane Jane's interns intern Ian is being arrested and when the police try and arrest Jane

[01:18:46] for trespassing on private property because this is still reality and you know private property still a thing she releases a blast that knocks out the police and Thor takes her to as guard what's this we're doing ever we have a brief bit of exposition gibberish on

[01:19:09] smart full-time before we jump back to as guard Jane is being diagnosed but her illness is not of earth they warned her she will not survive the energy that is surging within her

[01:19:26] um this is one of those scenes though I will say to the credit of of the Thor movies and it's Danny mentioned this earlier and I love this about the Thor movies is the like look magic isn't

[01:19:40] magic it's just advanced science and this is one of those scenes where it was kind of fun she was like she's on like an operating table and they're like working on her and she's like oh is that a

[01:19:52] continuum trans functioner and she and the doctors like no it's a soul for just like does it uh rearrange battery they're like yeah she's like cool it's a continuum trans function what's there she didn't actually say give to the um trans function but

[01:20:11] here we are and since we're clarifying Darth Sidious is not in this uh maybe delete the sand so I didn't watch those oh you did it yes listen or subscribe to the patreon and watch walk about oh I got you this new collard

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[01:21:21] I do I do like this scene though when Odin arrives and he's just like pissed and he's like the person leaving him on red oh totally yeah he's not chicken and he's textman's

[01:21:31] it seems like i'm like I brought her because you can help her and she does not belong here as guard anymore than a goat belongs in a banquet table so what nice sense oh god i can tell you i'm sorry

[01:21:53] she's awkward uh hey i'd like you meet my dad vibe right there hey yeah all right cool remember Jane i told you about her it's really smart nice so then after Odin gets to meet the future Mrs. Thor he orders his guard

[01:22:14] to return her to midguard before her infection causes another explosion and knocks the guards back you know when i'm nearby bushield wait i'm a specialist if you're not gone through your primary care physician

[01:22:33] this is all out of network stuff you just all out of pocket you realize that right this doesn't count as travel so Odin recognizes the cause and tells Thor that there are quote relics

[01:22:52] which predate the universe itself he then goes to tell for the story of how malachith created a weapon out of the darkness called the ether before the dawn of the nine realms Odin says during this exposition while other relics appear as stones the ether is fluid and ever

[01:23:09] changing it changes into dark uh changes matter into dark matter seeks out host bodies drying upon strength from their life force um if you have a little star molds or like circles or squares you could use that and at Easter you can make a good egg that

[01:23:30] putting makes it really easy yeah but Odin's dad bore nipped uh the creation of the ether into in the bud uh in the beginning of the movie so everything's cool and the dark

[01:23:46] elves are all dead so don't worry about it um Odin's book has really pretty animations and really good uh drawings in it and it's a cool story tale but it does nothing to tell us how to get the

[01:24:01] ether out of Jane. Dan to your earlier comment I would have liked this little exposition at the front to explain what what the stuff you're talking about right that and just a little bit more

[01:24:12] because I even I'd say I was like what what's the ether again and I had to remind myself. I feel like there's a very good chance that I don't know the timeline as well as YouTube

[01:24:21] probably do but I feel like there's a good chance that they knew that the infinity stones were going to be explained by the collector or whoever ends up I don't remember who explains it um so they

[01:24:37] were in this weird place or it's like what do we how far do we go what do we we don't want to step in any toast here and maybe that was part of it I don't know. This felt very like hinty but not

[01:24:50] full explanation for sure. It's almost like they needed at some point to just kind of almost and I know this wouldn't have worked like explicitly but almost explicitly like let us know

[01:25:07] like okay this will be important you know yeah they they uh they need just like pop up video MTV style hey remember this thing and I'm sure I mean this is why you know writers even

[01:25:21] though they're grossly overpaid and you know have to do to us by throw um they they can come up their professionals are coming up with a way to you know do that to be like okay we need

[01:25:34] basically to tell the audience pay attention to this stupid yeah when they could have but you know whatever um and just to kind of you know I'm going to interject here with a little bit of Malikith's

[01:25:48] comics origin I guess so Malikith was a pretty constant kind of background villain for Thor from his first appearance in 84 which was Thor 334 by Simonson Simonson actually did everything on

[01:26:04] that book he he wrote it he drew it he penciled it all of it he is generally characterized well in this movie a lot of his characterization looks is very similar to his comic origins um unlike

[01:26:19] a lot of what we talked about last episode with Iron Man 3 where they just kind of took the skin of a thing and filled it with a different story um he's he's done pretty well here um I will say

[01:26:30] he didn't have anything to do with the ether or with any um infinity stones or anything like that in the comics um he was I would say his comic story potentially influenced uh the ether's kind of

[01:26:48] way of moving I guess is the best way to put it um as very frequently Malikith was a host or a holder for various villainous things so at one point he had some of the mandrons rings that chose

[01:27:02] him as their host um he carried the casket of ancient wizard or winters which we saw in the first Thor movie that was the kind of frost giants mega weapon he even had acted as a

[01:27:17] host for the venom symbiot at one point um so um of interest um Malikith's most recent and his last story that we have so far was War of the Realms in 2019 and stop me if this sounds familiar

[01:27:35] if you're caught up on the MCU but um he declared himself the butcher of Thor's and fought Thor Odin's son or main lanethor a young Thor from the 6th century a old Thor from an altered

[01:27:49] unit universe and James the mighty Thor um he used the all black necrosor during this fight um so that might sound familiar if you're all caught up without saying any more spoilers that's all I

[01:28:02] can say yeah I tear point about Malikith's and the ether not being connected I think they had the McAfin they wanted which was the ether um they had the and the villain went back and forth

[01:28:15] it was Loki was not convenient originally then they got Darth Malikith in there and then um at one point in time they were gonna have hellet in here and they finally ended up with Malikith

[01:28:24] and so he was just kind of forced in and I you know doesn't I work as it fantastic as a batty but you were gonna say they're gonna go ahead well I feel like Keith is like a good burner villain

[01:28:35] and yeah some of the stuff about like his backstory and all that and like I'm really I'm sorry if I'm insulting any comic book people here but as somebody who isn't really necessarily interested in all of the details all the time he sounds like probably an

[01:28:55] interesting character in the comics that we don't really need to see a ton of in the movies so you got a McAfin in the red jello and and as well matchment with the like a McAfin villain

[01:29:12] yeah but I would have found it interesting and useful if we had just a touch of that like he's basically a container for whatever backstory but that's that's all that I felt was missing from

[01:29:28] that I thought Keith quite for the moment I saw him just like oh it's just the villain of the week and that's fine yeah and I and I think that's that's the the purpose he serves in the comic

[01:29:38] books right he's a container for some he he he he's powerful on his own but in general he has to be carrying something else to really be a threat and that's basically what it was here right

[01:29:50] was carrying a thing and so like I say good I would say one of the better like versions of faithful without faithful without exactly using the exact words and the exact happenings from the comic books

[01:30:09] yeah and the movie as a movie really just needed to do some certain specific heavy lifting of you know multiplicities exist red jello and the relationship with Thor and Loki that's that's

[01:30:26] all and we that's that's a lot to do yeah oh and by the way Marvel's gonna be weird now all of that is that is so much heavy lifting to do that getting involved with a having having like a

[01:30:41] kill longer sort of villain in this would have made it like three hours long I think yeah absolutely absolutely so so from from here we jump over again to his farthalheim where where Malikah stabbed Algram in order to send him off to get captured by the warrior's three

[01:31:05] and eventually to turn into a cursed we see the ships flying to and then we see Malikah ships head towards Asgard to start attacking on Asgard we see the prisoners arrive including

[01:31:24] Algram and we see Loki who is down in the dungeons he's a he remarks Odin continues to bring me new friends how thoughtful we see a tense but touching scene between Frigga and Loki in his cell

[01:31:49] um about the there's a conversation kind of around their her parentage of him and the consequences of his actions he tells her that she's not his mother and then they go and share

[01:32:07] a tender moment which then it turns out to be that she's just a hologram because that's where she that's where Loki learned his tricks we cut to Thor who's explaining the convergence to Jane

[01:32:22] she says I like the way you explain things and that you're not and that you don't hate sand you're not this is the this is the part like I even looked up the scene and the

[01:32:33] original I was like this is just a bead for bead of like of of that star was movie this is part maybe cringe Natalie part man like this is a management problem right it like yes they keep saying no this is this one of you guys

[01:32:54] she's I okay what's what's my character okay so I'm dating a younger man the tech earth at the years old um we fall in love got it got it um and just stuff to be tough even a hundred times smarter than him yeah you know what that

[01:33:15] that scene always had this weird feeling of like to me and I think that that's what it that needed was her kind of going like you know I really like the way you explain things

[01:33:31] but you just explained and then this like physics thing yeah you know about scientific thing yeah so then we cut over to Loki he's in prison he's lying down he's throwing a cup up in the air

[01:33:46] and catching it um we start to see explosions happen in the dungeons where uh algorithm has now crushed his cursed stone and he becomes cursed and he apparently has the ability to overpower their cell walls by punching them seems reasonable so he starts free

[01:34:14] his cousin prisoners right right um he approaches Loki's cell but doesn't free him Loki does tell him that he may want to take the stairs to the left uh and figure senses the outbreak and sense the war to join into the fray syphine warrior's three our engaged in

[01:34:35] battle uh with the writing prisoners Loki is safely as sconst in his cell reading the books that fray could give him when Thor arrives and starts to clean house meanwhile Odin is concerned about securing the weapons vaults so two questions two questions one um he did he directed

[01:35:00] cursed up to basically where his where he was hoping maybe Odin is but where his mom is that's that's bad luck and then I'm kind of curious like what books do you think he's reading in there

[01:35:11] well it's his mom's books so probably like you'll have a James missioner I mean I didn't see I'm just going off with my mom read you know I didn't see fobio on the cover so but you know middle-aged mom romance books Mary Lou Henner

[01:35:30] biographies I mean you got to fill the time somehow right I saw I did still a lot of a lot of gold stickers on each one so there were two other first book club oh boy

[01:35:50] oh by the way I smell point we're literally look four forty minutes into the movie right now oh good but that's how I felt at the time I was like man this is dragon let's get some action here

[01:36:00] yeah I actually I have it's funny I had such the opposite did you really right yeah I really did I had such an opposite time stretch for this movie because I was I saw I think it was actually

[01:36:13] at around this time that I saw the time code I'm like wow it's only been forty minutes that's really that's interesting it's it the experience of this movie I think is one of the most

[01:36:24] variable from person to person yeah so from from there we cut to the rainbow bridge and I'm not in I think that every time I watch a Thor movie and it just makes like

[01:36:44] I have to get over this lump of sadness of just like oh no there's tears on I don't think as guard is just all your pets became people there's a golden retriever obviously look he's a cat yeah yeah look he's definitely like a sign-me's cat

[01:37:14] let's get pissed if you try to pet him I said what the real bridge is now it's a small world and he gets a lot of singing sorry they're all dead okay all right it's good the spoiler

[01:37:31] for a small world if you've not been on the bed before it's a delight the supreme resort so we got the high-end all he's guarding the rainbow bridge and he begins to run across before he jumps onto one of the dark elf shifts that we saw earlier

[01:37:52] and destroy it with a sword the other ships fly towards Asgard to fight and the space battle in suits where before high-end all picks up a protective shield which the cursed apparently can deactivate big CGI battle between the dark elves and with the assist of the

[01:38:15] cursed and the Asgardians and Sous Malakith shows up and tosses a grenade of some sort and those grenades are really cool they are like they're like pocket black holes kind of and it destroys the throne of Asgard during the battle Malakith and Algonth

[01:38:37] Algrim search for Jane knowing she contains the ether they fall or they fail to capture and they escape but not before killing Furgah Thor arrives but it's too late for good

[01:38:53] dies in Odin's arms and later we see a funeral pire with Furgah whose spirit returns to the cosmos is this a very serious question but is this seen where Renee Russo's playing dead her best piece

[01:39:09] of acting in the MCU. Oh Renee Russo if you want to see her best acting definitely go watch chin cup that's a master class in acting so she's that bad. It's bad. She's gonna like the James mission or novel of actresses right?

[01:39:33] Yes. Yes that is the perfect way to put it. Like if you ever wanted to watch an performer be historical fiction then in there you go. Yeah she's immortal. So we cut over to Dr. Selvig he's I guess in London he's explaining the convergence

[01:40:02] the universe rotates on a 5,000 year cycle and everything aligns during while the alignment. Gravity light and matter are all crashing from one world into the other which is explaining to the patients at a old folk home slash mental hospital that he's in

[01:40:20] and Q David for you to receive. I'm like my shoe back. Dr. Selvig can have a gel pudding pot my shoe back. I would say like in the name of like talking about something that is actually

[01:40:47] really interesting and you may have actually missed this if you were a unwitting viewer. Dr. Selvig's chalkboard is pun intended here, chalk full of references. To various Marvel comic things I know David you caught quite a few of those you will you were watching.

[01:41:09] Yeah yeah I this to me honestly one I could have used this explanation like 50 minutes ago because again to Dan's or other point like there's a little bit more exposition that would have helped at the beginning talk in terms of the conversion to alignment.

[01:41:24] There is and so when I re-watched this is probably the one thing that really jumped out at me the most because I originally saw the planets when they zoomed in and then I saw there was a screen

[01:41:35] grab and the right article went down this kind of rabbit's hole if you will but number six been six is the designation you could see that on the chalkboard that's given to the Marvel universe in the 1960s you have something called Simon's and theory of relativity which is

[01:41:50] an homage to the Comrad Water Simonson this is there's a nexus of all reality which is a location of Florida Evergrades where the dimensions intersect that's garden by the man thing we've yet seen that which we've not seen at the MCU.

[01:42:07] There's others there's a reference to the crossroads in Guardians. Marvel Comics has a Florida man. Oh no. Oh how do you thought about that? It's Florida man. Florida man thing guards the guards guards the interdimensional intersection. Perfect.

[01:42:29] Okay we're gonna we're gonna workshop this as soon as the radish guild strike is done you're not gonna like sit pen put pen paper. But you see references to dark energy which are in

[01:42:41] this movie you see some reference to the crossroads which we see in the future movie phase transition which you see in an ant man property these are not spoilers so just you know they but I

[01:42:52] thought that was really really cool on rewatch and this to me is like the most this and the two reality stones of the two most kind of like future looking things.

[01:43:02] Yeah you also see on that board in kind of another reference to real life you see kind of a an equation that's Kyle plus Yost equals X. This is a reference to Craig Kyle and then Chris

[01:43:16] for Yost who we mentioned wrote this movie but they also were big name comic book writers particularly on the X-Men side of things. They most notably created the character X-23 which if you

[01:43:31] seen Logan that's Logan's daughter is X-23 so kind of a big character in the marble world. Wait are we not a spoiler for your podcast? That's not MCU we can spoiler right? Break our rules Adam. I'm just kidding. I may be able to believe it.

[01:43:52] No it's okay. I know the listeners enjoy the enjoy my sweet beliefs so so we brief cut to Kirstu's talking to Maliketh in gibberish and telling him he needs to heal to recoup his strength so that they can kill him all. I think another reason people didn't

[01:44:15] like this movie was subtitles. Yeah yeah having the dark elf speak in their language like the whole time. I like it but I think that there's a lot of things happening that like maybe like subconsciously like because nobody really likes subtitles unless you're

[01:44:38] like the worst kind of anime fan. I mean I agree subs overdubs but but like I feel like something in just like normal quote normal American brain was like and I had to read while watching that movie my

[01:45:02] grant was right I'm a nerd. I think it just there's a bunch of little things and yeah it's not a perfect movie by and it starts with the imagination but I think there's a bunch of little

[01:45:12] tiny things that add up that each individually makes sense but when you like you kind of walk away from like that movie. Yeah yeah and I think it's definitely one of those ones that like

[01:45:30] it leans the hardest into being for the for the fans. Right. Yeah so back on Asgard we see that Jane looks healthy until we see an ether cloud form. Fangirl tells Odin that they are unable to restore

[01:45:47] the palishields and that even Hymdahl cannot see the enemy. So Thor arrives and offers Odin a plan in order to save Jane by drying away into destroying Malikith and ether Odin per for prefers

[01:46:03] the brute force plan that will result in a bunch of Agile Scardine deaths cut to a brief scene with Darcy. Losing watching the news and apparently they're replaying the air excelvig clip because

[01:46:16] it's just that good. And then we head back over to Thor and Hymdahl these are quick cuts here. I apologize it's kind of hard to describe some of this but well and in the news it wasn't like in

[01:46:27] the in the universal the movie and the news it wasn't pixelated but they have to pixelate it for the movie. That's why I was watching out there like I want to see that hog. Yeah it's being so hot.

[01:46:37] Oh, nice sweet hog yeah it's maybe saved it's got a court to be alive right? In the movie they're just staring at his jaw like full. Just right at the jaw. You look like hey guys eyes are up here.

[01:46:55] And then again if we want to make this the worst version of this movie cut to the queen is it? Oh, so that's a good bed. Is that a corgi? Is that a corgi lad? Corgi lad.

[01:47:25] So Odin had closed the by for us I guess so that Hymdahl could head to the pub for a minute probably the corgi lad on and it's version of it in Thor's world.

[01:47:42] And Thor has a plan and asks Hymdahl to help. Thor's plan yet again is to move Jane and draw the fight away from Asgard. Uh, it make that all happen which by the way this like pub scene made me wish that this head

[01:48:02] this was another place where I was like I wish this had come out after the after the MCU had decided to go weird because I think spending more time in Asgard

[01:48:14] and getting to actually see the city of Asgard would have been so cool. And this is like the one glimpse you get of like not the palace, not the dungeons, not you know this kind of center of Asgard.

[01:48:25] It's just a pub in Asgard which I would love to have seen more of. But last we didn't get to go that weird. Yeah, that is one of the nice things about this

[01:48:36] movie is we do see more of Asgard. We see more of like okay here's what this looks like here's what there's you know that's what a pub looks like here's how that works it's like you get a treat.

[01:48:49] It's literally little things like oh this is probably a public square and that's kind of cool you know. Yeah absolutely it's more than just the castle where some gods live and the rainbow bridge

[01:49:00] that your animals go across when they die. So from there we we find out that or that Thor's big plan is to use Loki. Thor asks Loki to help him escape from Asgard in return.

[01:49:23] Thor promises Loki that he can have his revenge on Malikith for killing their mother. We see Siff and Loki or we see Thor and Loki walking along through the palace and Loki kind of in probably one of the better scenes from this movie overall.

[01:49:43] Shape shifts into various forms so he turns into highmdall for a little bit. He turns into a general kind of just a warrior of Asgard for a little bit. Loki turns Thor into Siff for a little while and then in the last little transformation that's just as good.

[01:50:07] Thor is accompanied by Loki in the form of Captain America. So kind of a fun reference to the overall universe. Loki asks for a weapon and Thor cuffsom. Also I think correct me if I run but I think that that segment and this will sound like I'm

[01:50:31] saying something negative. I'm not that segment is the first time we get that like Marvel humor and at least in within the action. Like we get it a little bit with like you're wearing lady clothes

[01:50:43] and all that kind of stuff but like oh and this is the hero characters doing their hero crap. This is the I think the first time where we get that like hey wouldn't be funny.

[01:50:54] Yeah the only other time would be like the very first fight between Thor goes anybody else. But that's that's Thor being cocky in character. Yeah that's not like uh this is here's one for

[01:51:08] the fans kind of pressure but I think then it's a really good point because I do think they after this film but like with this film they started to find the Thor character and it's the

[01:51:20] oh sense of humor like yeah and with as a is a has a very funny delivery and he he puts it and so I mean and and I think and they obviously might in future films.

[01:51:33] Well and I think that this I suspect and again I don't know a ton but my feeling is that the kind of over correction where Dr. Strange is calling Wong Beyonce where it's just like oh okay

[01:51:47] come on I feel like that over correction might come from the people's reaction to this movie where Marvel is just like I guess we we can't have it be all that we need to have it be more like

[01:52:00] and you get it then yeah and that's actually the only thing about Dr. Strange that I really don't like is there's so much of that in the movie where it's like you kind of expect

[01:52:14] been in a camera box just be like that happened yeah so from there we see Odin headed to the by frost because he's been someone there by Heimdahl he lets him know that Heimdahl says to Odin that there's been treason Odin's basically like who Heimdahl's like me surprise

[01:52:44] Eddie cuts off his head right it's only in a fine watching long scene I'm just sitting there watching and I'm like this is a man with a giant broad sword saying I'm committing treason that's a

[01:53:01] not a good time but Odin orders his guards to stop Thor by any means necessary Thor teams up with Valsdag and SIF to stall the asguardian soldiers Valsdag says to Loki if you betray him look he goes you'll kill me sounds like there's a line for me

[01:53:27] as fans will assist in their escape Thor and Loki come into your large jerk Elf ship which draws a lot of attention Thor and Loki bigger in really a nice development of their

[01:53:39] brotherly relationship and he is Thor destroys a bunch of columns on his way out and a bunch of statues including one of his grandfather Thor or his grandfather grandfather Thor eventually Thor throws Loki out of the spaceship and grabs Jane and joins him on a

[01:54:03] speeder craft driven by fan drill Loki directs the ship towards a hidden path out of Asgard and Thor escapes Asgard with Jane in order to head to Svartful Heimd and a Seamonsor almost hits them but then it gets eaten by a bigger Seamonsor

[01:54:22] and my gun chance is there's always a big google fish and then he's saving Asgard so then we see Thor and Loki we cut to him and all these He's still cutting off his own groups away just looking right at the road and it was like it's fine

[01:55:05] so we see Thor and Loki bickering on the ship Loki dreams of Jane's power and tells Thor to say goodbye to Jane who will be gone in a heartbeat and this is kind of where

[01:55:19] we introduce the idea of like look hundred years that a human's gonna live is nothing to Asgardians who live for thousands they then shift to a discussion about Frigga Thor is like look she's my mommy too you had her tricks but I had her trust

[01:55:40] her name is Martha right was marked so we kind of have have some good exposition and I will say this is one of the better parts of this movie is like the the building of the brother relationship between Thor and Loki

[01:55:58] is really solid in this movie and sets us up for a lot of things that we have in the future where they you know that that brother relationship is really important

[01:56:08] well and you can you can I don't know about relate to it but you can understand it because it's really clear and I think this is really to the credit of the actors it's really clear who this person is and what they want what they're driven to do

[01:56:24] and like they're not gods of anything but they are gods of thunder and mischief so like right it's this feeling of like like and even like when they say you know mother wouldn't want us to fight

[01:56:40] yeah that she wouldn't be surprised you know and that and that's not to continue the fight that's like a yeah yeah you're right this is kind of what we do brings the wrong action yeah and I think I think that it's kind of like oh

[01:56:55] gods they're like us to kind of moment where like yeah we see ourselves in those characters which is nice so we we head back over to earth and we see in acting as Dr. Selvick's son to check him

[01:57:11] out with mental institutions Selvick is really happy to see Darcy and says I've had a god in my brain before they head to James lab and again if we if we want to make this reverse workshop

[01:57:23] this to make it the worst version of this movie they have an long at least two minute long scene of Darcy saying like you know your son and we can get them yeah I don't know children

[01:57:38] yeah you've been hit on the head doctor do you remember that's right father wink wink yeah so back on swap smart film time I have four in low-key it's one day and it has like coconuts on it you look coconuts right I don't usually like coconut but

[01:58:05] it's really good set school print Thor and Loki and I don't know what they're approached by Maliket cursed in a number of dark elves holding up his shackles Loki asks do you still trust me Thor says would you and release his Loki and Loki says no I wouldn't

[01:58:37] and then he's then Loki stabs Thor with a dagger and Loki says you think I ever cared about figure forget about any of you all I ever wanted was you and Odin dead at my feet Thor someone's

[01:58:54] mule and Loki appears to cut off Thor's right hand before Loki offers Maliket a gift Jane by the way cutting off the hand we are now two movies into the second phase of the MCU

[01:59:18] and in both I think it was actually left hands both times left hands have been cut off so listener if you're tracking that's a that's what you call a long-term Easter egg this is basically impressed right back I think five games right personally I think that

[01:59:37] I think maybe that's the only part that he read at that time and he was just like a very straight back yep was okay cool cool and he's only seen that one part of him oh he's here thinking it's

[01:59:50] early in the daylies and he's seeing only that one oh two I feel like five years like hey make I see some more like nom and we're busy chopping it up and we're working 16 18 hours you know

[02:00:02] yeah but while I'll see them eventually yeah Kevin there's one here's one we're just gonna there's a little teaser and he's only seen it's only seen that one part of Empire Strikes back on TNT like every time I my game's on okay that part still happens cool

[02:00:26] it'll be cool like Loki ends up in carbonite it's gonna be great I was I will say this at this point in time during the movie and having known that Loki was not supposed

[02:00:36] to be in this thing at all if you would told me that this was a Loki movie I would have completely believed it oh yeah that's fair and it basically and I think that that might be part of the

[02:00:46] problem of the perception of the movie is it would have been easier to just be like okay it's Loki now yeah for sure so Loki tricks Malkith into drawing the ether out of Jane but it was

[02:01:00] all an illusion Thor attempts to destroy the ether but fails and Malkith absorbs the ether Thor fights some Dark elves and saves Loki from magic which would draw him into a different

[02:01:16] dimension you get a sweet CGI battle Loki fights the Dark elves will Thor fights out of them and the ether powered Malkith leaves on his ship writing that down thank you sparkle time I love the ones for the racians

[02:01:43] the ones are a good I don't normally like racians but I really enjoy those yeah I think they call them Nordic prunes and not racians for some reason why really trying to make it not to make a joke about scars guards

[02:02:05] I was going to go down she just crushed Loki I was going down the Ikea route but you went to a different area which I actually am in for goodness Thor is getting worked up before

[02:02:25] Loki stabs algorithm with a long sword who turns and pulls Loki into the same sword injuring Loki Loki manages to attach an explosive to the hip of algorithm who implodes into this pocket black hole Loki is fatally wounded while protecting Thor from algorithm Thor

[02:02:46] cradling Loki in his arms promises to tell Odin of his sacrifice Loki's really dead this time we promise everybody following Loki's death Thor and Jane talk about Malkith's plans to destroy everything which in turn leads kind of a fun little exchange Thor says I saw him on earth

[02:03:08] why would he go there Thor to convergence I'm reading this completely not how it was in the movie but yeah I like it actually none of this would have happened if I had enough found the ether

[02:03:20] then that job I quit earlier what have happened to him right I'm all had no known then Malkith would have only possessed you that much sooner I only found it because I was looking

[02:03:35] for you Jane gets a very long distance call from Richard on a lunch date which kind of kicks off our understanding that hey things travel through the convergence right including cell phone waves apparently

[02:03:49] before Jane and Loki discover another portal nearby in an nearby cave that transport back to England Thor suspiciously asks who is Richard Jane responds really before driving in the car

[02:04:03] it's like and I think what so I think that a lot of the tonal issues people have with this movie are because everything is like banking all of the silliness that you usually get in a Marvel movie

[02:04:20] for what's about to happen and because I think that in order to get to where we get you need to do kind of a lot with a straight face to be like okay and then when this

[02:04:36] crescendo happens it is so rewarding yeah at least for me or I'm just like oh okay here we go this is awesome that's fair yeah and I think it reads as on even if you weren't expecting that right

[02:04:50] okay I can get that but it does telegraph enough to be like okay this exists this is a thing that could happen and then they pile a bunch of stuff on that makes you forget about it which is I mean

[02:05:03] that's that's a good magic check right it's just as like what if this was a distraction and then story story story story story story and then it's like okay huge payoff so yeah then what we get is Thor and Jane Reneite with Selvig Darcy and Ian

[02:05:24] at a apartment in London Thor asks Eric if he is well which kind of leads so little funny scene of like your brother isn't coming easy or let's get his dead Selvig thank god I mean I'm sorry

[02:05:40] and Thor's just wants that is like yeah I get it right sure there they learn the Maliket plans to unleash the ether and destroy the universe and he will do this in Grinich apparently

[02:05:56] which is the center of the convergence because I'm guessing the convergence goes off of Earth time so they had to put it on the crime mode and yeah and also just like this had very much like

[02:06:08] was it the was the horror crux and the one in the last star was movie where it's a hold of the right place at the right time and he just grabs a few dead markers and a ruler and just like boom

[02:06:18] Grinich let's do this like did you mean to to conflate Harry Potter and see her was it that moment I did it most it was great that you did I didn't mean to I did it I could remember it's the

[02:06:31] Defender sorry sorry Rob yeah that moment of just like so Jane says Maliket is going to fire the ether at a spot where the nine worlds are colliding which will amplify it's reach in force exponentially Selvig hatches a plan to track it talking they're taking them to

[02:07:00] Grinich hey where the walls of the world will be non-existent fast forward a bit and we see the arrival of a ship carrying Maliket tearing up the streets and destroying the buildings in London Maliket and several dark elves exit the ship before Thor arrives to save the day

[02:07:22] we get a CGI battle Thor battles Maliket as Jane and Selvig try and put their equipment out and detect anomalies Thor then lightning bolts out before Maliket starts to revive and Jane and Selvig are working on a technical solution. Selvig says that the convergence will be

[02:07:46] full effect within seven minutes which to which Jane replies that means we have to keep Maliket busy for eight she's the math scientist right yeah she does remember by the way it just reverse

[02:08:00] workshopping this at some point for the worst version of this movie at some point in this next sequence someone makes a joke about getting a hole in one. So as Jane is experimenting with her portal

[02:08:18] technology and scoring all the hole in ones Thor and Maliket continue to fight passing through portal dimensions between London and various places Thor's hammer shoots into the space to try go to wherever he is I love this part it's super nerd moment for a second. Malik

[02:08:47] is supposed to be intelligent like it's supposed to have intelligence and so the fact that it decided to go into space rather than going for the portal like it's yeah maybe I think it's unintentional humor

[02:09:04] that literally no one other than me would be like would get yeah I don't know I just love that they were just like well I guess I'm going over here now and then just redirected

[02:09:22] this like so before Thor and Maliket they end up teleporting back and they land on top of the OXO tower and um Yolner ends up saving Thor right before he hits the ground in a fall

[02:09:44] Jane is tinkering with her device she and Dr. Selbig escape the dark elves that are chasing her and Thor and Maliket teleport back to Swarthillheim well a forest beast or well a Frost Beast teleport into London and starts munching on dark elves. Quick question quick question

[02:10:13] and Dan I'd like your opinion do you think that Dark Elves Meat is tastier than Light Elves? Well it's probably more tender yeah the more fat okay. Yeah and I think it's probably a lot

[02:10:28] more versatile I would have heard is that sometimes they will sneak some dark elf meat into nuggets because you just assume that it's just going to be all Light Elves but um I mean just trace

[02:10:43] them out the pink the pink goo elves are the ones who are just matching elves like melting in the pink goo. So Thor and Maliket transport back to Swarthillheim oh sorry I skipped a line in my

[02:11:07] brain notes um so Ian saves Darcy's life and Jane teleports the two to them and they're kissing uh but back to Jane and Selbig Thor hops on a subway which to get it back to Greenwich which is

[02:11:29] kind of funny like they're it's just kind of one of those stopping in the middle of a battle and have a little bit of humor moments but it's too late Selbig announces that the convergence is at

[02:11:41] its peak Thor grabs some magic sticks uh which are actually science sticks from Jane and makes his way through the convergence to Maliket um he throws one of them and Maliket grabs it but surprise it's a

[02:12:00] portal stick and Jane turns up the frequency to 11 and which causes Maliket to disappear Thor throws another portal spear and Maliket says you think you can stop this accent uh they cannot be destroyed Thor says but you can um at which point Jane turns her device up to

[02:12:31] 12 now and Maliket transports via yet another portal to Swarthillheim we cut to Thor who is unconscious she's horns are especially good better we cut to Thor who is unconscious and love a London loveland is where I am you welcome listeners um as the creaking dart dark elves

[02:13:00] spaceships starts to collapse on top of him uh Jane tries to pull away from him and he puts her head to his chest and prepares to be crushed but wait there's another portal that appears in the spaceship

[02:13:15] teleports to Swarthillheim where it crashes Maliket so two well one one may think uh Ryan you butchered the Maliket accent you gave us a little new gave it's own and it's it's more like you think

[02:13:33] you could you think you could stop this that either cannot be destroyed and it's a sort of I listen to it and it sounded like the embers are on the astroblasters right every time I listen to

[02:13:45] throws me off but we'll another week we'll the week zerg yeah i'm asking that as a complaint this is a Star Trek movie if that is masquerading is several other movies and that's fun absolutely

[02:14:01] um it's a Star Trek movie who for people who think Star Trek is stupid and for nerds so Jane Darcy and Selvig are all sharing a meal uh Darcy assures Jane that Thor will come back

[02:14:17] except last time he was gone for two years it's only been two days this time uh besides Thor is has stuff that he has to sort out and I like the way it's played of like

[02:14:35] okay she's been there she understands how complicated it is and she's like yeah it's this is what he does it's fine totally okay i get it a couple days go do what you need to do she is like

[02:14:49] and you know she's just like mama's gonna get her beat wet it's my take a little while but so then we cut back over Thor's talking with Odin because you know he kind of committed

[02:15:05] treason on his way out Thor praises or Odin praises Thor for bringing together the nine realms um they all saw Thor risk his life Thor declines Odin's offer to take the throne

[02:15:21] because the essentially he's like look i'd rather be a good man than a great king I don't want to deal with all the brutality in sacrifice Thor is proud of his son that strives to be a

[02:15:37] good man rather than a king and then just kidding he says no one wanted i have one son who wanted to throw him too much and other the other one who will not take it is this my legacy Thor says

[02:15:51] Loki died with honor I shall try and live with the same is that not legacy enough Thor offers up the hammer Odin says it belongs to you if you are worthy of it and Thor says

[02:16:03] I shall try to be Odin says I cannot give you my blessing nor can I wish you good fortune Thor says I know very reminiscent of I love you I know oh and it's sorry to ruin this moment but as

[02:16:21] I'm watching as I was watching this movie I'm not even joking or lying about this as I'm watching this for some reason my dumb brain starts picturing the guy in the next cell from silence little lambs that my friends my friend and I lovingly call spider man

[02:16:43] for reasons I'm picturing that that character is just sort of always off screen and any I'm just gonna he's just he's just ready he's waiting for it and again my friends and I have called that character spider man many times which I

[02:17:05] recommend people adopt his their own because it's delightful that is fantastic um so Odin says if you were proud of them or if I were proud of the man I would my son has

[02:17:24] become even that I could not say it would speak only for my heart go my son and Thor says thank you father and then just kidding it wasn't Odin it was Loki masquerading his Odin and he says no

[02:17:41] thank you and and of movie so uh move into our closing thoughts here I think we've talked a little bit about why this movie is significant it kind of broke that barrier of the weirdness

[02:17:56] of the MCU um it it you know reminded us of of that kind of the MCU can be weird it introduced us to the spaciness of the MCU a little bit in the light lightweight um so first off before we get to our

[02:18:15] overall impressions and also a little bit of a quick segment that we'll we'll toss to Dan for that we pulled from one of his other podcasts but first I want to talk a little bit about MVPs so

[02:18:29] MVP of the movie and as a reminder we have a rule for David and I that we cannot select characters that we've selected before so David has selected Loki before so he can't choose Loki

[02:18:43] I have selected Valtstag before so I can't pick Valtstag this time um so first David who is your MVP of this movie? Oh man it is uh it's this is a grim Sophie's choice um no I um I'm gonna pick Dr. Saldick

[02:19:03] um for a couple of videos. Good Nick one I think the most important reason is his chalkboard and his like I mean he explained the movie to me so I have to be I'm pretty grateful for that and

[02:19:16] leaving the easter egg crumbs and providing the kind of scientific nonsense with the community elements you know any you know ran around nude on script I was just a story I read is that he

[02:19:28] insist on multiple scenes and reshoot to that so I mean he's my choice how about you run? Oh this is actually legitimately a tough one mostly because I'd back to us into this corner by saying

[02:19:43] we can't pick the same person twice and I kind of want to save Loki for another time. Are you? Loki Loki's the best thing in the movie like like he is he is but he's also the best thing

[02:19:59] in other movies too and that's why I just feel like do I want to pick this version of Loki? Yeah you know what I'm gonna pick this version of Loki. I think he is one of the best parts of this

[02:20:14] movie he is part of the um that brother exposition and he does it really well he I think Loki was a shining star in this movie so he's having fun like you can tell like he's actually enjoying himself

[02:20:30] one of the only actors in the whole movie that seemed to be with him you know when when when Renee risked her free when she smiles as she dies because she's like I'm done with this stuff like

[02:20:42] I think the check-in cash now I am out of here. Yeah yeah Dan who you pick anyone I'm gonna go with Kenneth Branoff or not directing that because he is such an inconsistent

[02:21:01] director that I and I remember in fact when I remember what when I found out that he wasn't attached to it my first thought was of thank god because he's I don't if it's not written by William Shakespeare

[02:21:19] literally like you don't know what you're gonna get out of him right we could we would have gotten potentially some of those like the hole in one joke or something because he would be like

[02:21:30] oh there's Americans they like this you man haha but but but you two point Dan like he originally didn't want to because he felt like he was gonna be rushed in only year to produce

[02:21:42] and stuff like that and I agree with you I mean he's also the MVP in the sense of like he set it up as a as a Shakespeare you know tragedy been and right and you have those

[02:21:52] operatic moments and elements that you talked about and which they carried forward which I think made the movie work yeah and in fact when I found out that he was directing the first one my immediate thought was

[02:22:04] oh that's perfect because he's just gonna make a Shakespeare movie and that's what that needs to be but then push him out put go away and we're like okay bye go make whatever the other movie you're

[02:22:14] gonna make that's fair let's fair well I want to hand it off Dan so on scraping the vault no you have a piece at the end of the the episodes where each one of the hosts has a role right so

[02:22:36] yeah um for listeners who haven't listened to that which I'm again I imagine is very small because truthfully we just inherited our listenership from other people of this network but um if you haven't

[02:22:47] listened to scraping the vault it so Dan selects a music selection that matches the movie Audrey picks a food and Jimmy picks a beer and I always overthink mine so tell us what music

[02:23:09] are you picking for watching Thor the Dark World this movie in a lot of ways reminds me of an album by a band that enough people listen to that at least one person in your audience be like oh okay yeah

[02:23:28] Swade aka the London Swade in this country they really sent an album out so their first album was hit in the sense of like Brit pop was a thing for a period of time and it was a hit with that group

[02:23:43] um and you know really poppy upbeat just dumb pop music for the purpose of making dumb pop music their second album was an album called Dog Man Star now if you think to yourself

[02:24:01] that sounds like a very pretentious album made for very pretentious people well you're right because it is and it is their intentional like we're gonna go dark now kind of thing and if you don't

[02:24:17] understand that they are completely embracing that aesthetic to the point where like there's moments that you could imagine like being sung by barris Christen because it's so so like barris Christen

[02:24:33] at the Hollywood wall because it's so over the top so melodramatic and so just like okay we get it your sad shut up but like we've all felt that way at some point and it's kind of fun to have

[02:24:49] something out there because like they have a sense of humor and I think that this album was done with a sense of humor but to the point where they're like we're gonna make this so moby and so sad

[02:25:01] they even we want to tell ourselves to shut up because we've all felt that way at some point and if you approach the album with that in mind and with the idea in mind the league singer his voice sounds like

[02:25:17] the way it feels when the air conditioning has turned up like 2 degrees too low which is a great feeling um it's I don't want to say a fun album because it's not meant to be fun but it's like it's

[02:25:30] it's a cool journey to go on but if you don't know ahead of time you're probably gonna hate it that's fair you don't hey that match is really well that match is up really really well

[02:25:44] so last but not least let's talk about ranking we talked a little bit about our overall impression so if you guys have anything to add to your overall impression of this movie do it when you get your ranking in here but

[02:26:00] for listeners who haven't listened before we we rank top third, bottom third, middle third so right now there's about 30 projects out in the MCU that means you are considering top 10, middle 10, bottom 10, um ish so for let's go to Dan first of Dan top third, middle third,

[02:26:28] bottom third where would you put this one? Middle third but towards not lower than the middle of the third for me however when telling people like for a period of time I worked with ESL students from

[02:26:52] other countries who were adults just probably had faster way to say that and they would talk about like what Marvel movies should I watch what order I would always tell them you can skip dark world

[02:27:04] yeah just like you can skip iron man too but you should skip iron man too and you can skip dark world yeah that's fair that's that's fair and that's I think um that's one of the challenging

[02:27:21] things about where Marvel has progressed too is like realistically yeah I think you could skip this and you could just rely on sort of the historical images of this movie where like the things

[02:27:35] do pull forward from this movie right uh you could just kind of rely on the the kind of historical footage of that yeah well and I'm I'm often that obnoxious person who like it's for example one

[02:27:50] of my favorite musicians who I understand now is a charlatan but once upon a time he wasn't um is David Sylvia and if you were to ask me what's his best album I'd tell you secret to the

[02:28:01] be high 100% but if you would but my favorite album is of his is gone to earth which is a very weird not weird in the traditional sense but it's just like it's like this thing you can't quite get

[02:28:16] a handle on but you can hear where it's kind of going and it's like yeah okay I'm willing to bridge that gap with you and I really like what you're trying to do and you come close enough that I'm

[02:28:28] into it and but unless you're willing to do that extra work for this movie okay yeah I kind of understand why people dislike it as much as they do but I understand someone not being into it

[02:28:42] but that's for me I would say I would say lower lower top half you know like I like the Bible like the one story with the baby you know oh and by the way in my worst version of this

[02:29:03] in the cutscene the credits cutscene hide all who has cut off his own head we cut to his his head and he he winked at us like oh and he says I got my own you yes all tentually enough you here's look at it you

[02:29:27] so sad there's a writer strike David what where's where's your ranking in overall impression of this numero who know no I'm kidding it does fall in the bottom third for me I enjoyed it more than I

[02:29:49] thought I think that there were a lot of things that kind of work in the movie and I think after understanding the you know metaphysical and the convergence and the alignment when you're

[02:30:01] seeing the fight scenes and stuff falling through it makes a little bit more sense upon a rewatch or at least having that understanding I thought Loki was great in the film I think they did

[02:30:12] some things to lay the groundwork for future films and it was more enjoyable to watch than some of the other moves I'm not taking to great movie but it's not it's not the train wreck I think

[02:30:26] people make it out to be yeah I would agree I'm putting it in the the I'm putting it in the bottom third but simply out of the like something has to be at the bottom sense it's not

[02:30:41] it's not a Iron Man 2 where you cringe every moment you're watching it it's not the incredible Hulk which you know suffers from kind of a jarring aesthetic separation from the

[02:30:56] rest of the MCU and I mean you can tell Edward Norton doesn't want to be there the whole time right right and so like it's not it's not objectively a bad movie but I do feel like I could

[02:31:12] probably name 20 MCU projects that are better than Thor Dark World I do think it's at the top of that bottom third I think it maybe depending on what comes out in the future it could bump itself

[02:31:28] into the middle third and so I think it's definitely not as bad as people make it out to be it is not the number one worst movie and so especially not like currently I think for the time

[02:31:48] I could totally understand someone being like this is almost as bad as the Hulk it's like yeah maybe to you it I get it but I mean now it's like I mean is this almost as bad as quantum quantum

[02:32:00] mania right not for me yeah well in that I haven't watched the internals because I don't want it looks incredibly unwatchable it's it's a DC movie I'll say that yeah be a turnals is a DC movie

[02:32:13] but not a good one like this one is but yeah and I think that's I think that's the other thing that is really interesting as we go through this rewatch and one of the things that I really

[02:32:26] wanted out of this podcast is the lens of looking back right and and we talked about this a little bit in Iron Man 3 I think it's true here too where like so much of this movie has been pulled for it

[02:32:42] and has become important to the plot that we have today in the MCU that it actually gives this movie it improves this movie in context and the context of 2013 I may have said it was the worst

[02:32:56] movie in the MCU so far um in the context of 2023 I actually like it a lot more and and I think the context is kind of mellowed some of the the worst sharp edges of it so um which funny yeah

[02:33:11] what's funny about Iron Man 3 is that like again I knew just enough about what was what that like I went in and I'm like oh Ben Kingsley is the Mandalorian or whatever

[02:33:23] like Mandalorian okay all right cool that's gonna be fun and then like when stuff we can say what already happened right sure okay and then so like when the reveal happens I was like I even

[02:33:38] was watching it with my friend Eric who didn't know anything about this stuff I was just like oh my god it is like what and I got to tell you later and then as we're walking out of the movie theater

[02:33:49] I said I really liked that movie I totally enjoyed what they did I think it was that movie was made for me in so many ways but they just pissed off a bunch of Marvel fans and that's awesome that makes

[02:34:05] me happy because you what they did in that moment and this is what Ryan Johnson did I think with the best movie I've ever made which was they said we're in charge of the story here

[02:34:17] it was them just basically saying like putting you in the chair going like look you're gonna sit you're gonna listen to us tell a story the way we want to tell it and then understand you're not

[02:34:27] gonna like every moment but we're going somewhere with this and you need to just shut up and pay attention we hope you like it but you might not well I for one was disappointed not to get my stereotypical

[02:34:39] food man chew villain from the phone that was a bum but whatever to get tomato tomato tomato I hear they couldn't get Jeff Dunham to make a puppet for that so that's when that's

[02:34:52] cool where they would have been like oh man do you think like I pearl mutters calling out like Jeff Dunham to like hey I know we're from Avali Marba because you make a puppet for food man chew

[02:35:04] character that what is so bad oh my god you more stereotypical he no it's not on the nose enough yet yeah no need more it's more well make us out of a little

[02:35:22] I'm the last thing the last thing I'm gonna say about this is that the film is beautiful like it still holds up the bypass bridge and the special facts the we didn't really talk about like the C.

[02:35:35] G. I battles or the or the space shots it was beautiful to watch it's absolutely it's really I mean that part is really well done I think absolutely I will say that early 2010s timeframe

[02:35:48] is a point where I think we were hitting kind of the sweet spot with CGI where we realized that not everything had to be CGI but things that had to be CGI did and you are getting some

[02:36:00] actually really good looking movie string at time frame well I think we we think enough people learn the lesson from the prequel trilogy where it's like yeah oh oh you can't go too far okay we need some

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[02:40:31] so in the mid credit scene full-stag and sift go to tannivir to valian uh who is also known as the collector the collector asks why they don't simply store the ether in their fault full-stag replies that the tester act is already on asguard and having two

[02:40:46] infinity stones bump up up um uh that close together would be dangerous they hand over the or the ether to the collector he says it'll be absolutely safe here in my collection as they leave the collector says one down five to go

[02:41:04] it's a collector I'm sorry it's the collector my impression is that he's like in terms of villain and hero he's kind of one of those in between people but yeah I would put him as a as a US corporation as far as down it okay yeah really evil

[02:41:30] I didn't think he could wrap out Jesus Christ hey but you think he's good on the surface he's just kind of quirky you know he's just a weirdo he's weird I mean you weirdo yeah I think he's he's power hungry he's a

[02:41:45] power hungry weirdo and if it suited him to go in either direction he probably would if he right the resources yep you do get but an easyo del Toro just absolutely eating this

[02:41:58] seat up which that's a weirdo it's wonderful too so great this so great this this might be my favorite scene of the whole movie to be honest no I mean I'm directed by James Gun which is a little

[02:42:10] none of fact and um I didn't closely look at all the relics in the background I don't know if anybody noted anything else Adam Adam Warlocks cocoon is in the background of this scene which had all the fanboys with a real strong sweaty palms but yeah

[02:42:33] just a nerd boner to you silently hear the movie theater the racing cup sweat sweat pants just so I literally ruffling and again if this is the worst version of this podcast one of us would say that there was a sound effect when boy oh oh

[02:42:54] and we would have that cute up but we don't you don't think so yeah so podcast get the love and get their Zencaster paid for not us oh no I'm just kidding

[02:43:09] um so then there is also a post credit scene where thundercrackles and Thor arrives at the end of a breakfast that that Jane is having and Jane and Thor are reunited and they kissy face

[02:43:35] and we also see that the frost monster from yotinheim who was accidentally teleported to earth during the final battle apparently runs about can lundin which is great because we totally see that again future movies um I think they should have instead shown like documentary footage of

[02:43:57] the filmmakers reading the email from the studio saying can you please have a scene with the kiss and then it ends with the humorous button and then they just flip off the camera so again

[02:44:14] and we get our oh go ahead no I was just gonna say this is the moment where she's just like oh yeah we know it's happening now and to paraphrase Pam from archery like you could drown a toddler

[02:44:25] panties at this moment we're not suggesting what you do we're not suggesting you do but the splooosh noise they splooosh with that with that satisfying splooosh I think we can draw this episode to 2 and n so

[02:44:48] thank you again Dan thank you listeners for listening all the way through um seriously go listen everything else that we mentioned in this episode there's some really good stuff out there

[02:44:58] really good content out there right now um next time we'll be in your feed we'll be for a monthly bugle episode and then from there you'll hear us talking about Captain America the winter soldier

[02:45:09] so thank you all again and have a have a yeah take it easy all fresh break