Puny Pod | Phase 2 Episode 1 - Iron Man 3

[00:00:00] Welcome to Puny Pod, the podcast who is a piping hot mess. Welcome to Puny Pod, everyone! This is the podcast where we rewatch the MCU in release order. I'm Ryan and my co-host too, I need because we're connected. Is David... David, how are we doing this morning?

[00:00:45] I didn't know you were going to go with that one, but that's going on. I was struggling to figure out this movie unfortunately is not super-quodable. We'll get into how much I actually enjoy this movie later on, but not super-quodable so it's kind of hard

[00:01:00] to get those first couple poll quotes, but that one better. Better than a... and my co-host is spashing me out, it's David. David, right? Oh man. How you doing Ryan? I'm doing fantastic. I am doing fantastic. Well, today we are here to cover my favorite Christmas movie.

[00:01:25] Oh no, not homeworld. I'm not... Died hard. Not Died hard. Iron Man 3. Up until... This isn't a spoiler, we can talk about things that... We can talk about the title of things that have been released. Up until the... Guardians Christmas special came out.

[00:01:45] This was the sole holiday entry into the MCU. And I... fight this fight every year. My wife and I argue about it every year, but this is the first Christmas movie I watch every year. First of December, Iron Man 3 is on every single time.

[00:02:09] Well, first of all, your wife is correct. And I appreciate your calling at holiday movie. I don't... even though on rewatch, I see where Shane Black can elayers in the Christmas stuff. Doesn't feel like a Christmas movie to me.

[00:02:24] I'm gonna take the W on this one just because it is in the holiday when Disney releases their holiday section of... of Disney Plus. Iron Man 3's in there. I'm gonna holiday for sure. I would argue... I would argue it's more of a nearest movie.

[00:02:45] I mean, that's fair. That's fair. There's also a... there is also a menorah in the background of a scene. So... That's cover all of them. I did not notice that. Interesting. Well, save a friff, feed you to date. There we go, there we go.

[00:03:00] Like I mentioned, we are covering Iron Man 3 today. So, we will jump right into our... Right into the episode. So if you are new here, usually this part comes about 15 minutes into the episode. But I think we're starting to work like a well-oiled machine.

[00:03:22] So we're at timestamp like three minutes. And we're already jumping into the actual meat of the episode. So date... You're lucky to work with it. We're like the Mark 42 armor. Okay, that example. Still working out the cakes.

[00:03:35] So... Iron Man 3 is the movie we are watching and reviewing today. It was released in May on May 3, 2013. We have finally reached phase two. This is the first installment of phase two. It is the number seven MCU number movie of all time. Runtime is two hours ten minutes.

[00:03:57] Original cut. Three hours 15 minutes. I want that cut. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that. Financials, the production budget. So it was budgeted for about $200 million, which is about 30 million more than Iron Man 2.

[00:04:13] Opening weekend it did $174 million, which was up from Iron Man 2 by about almost $50 million. Demester Grope was 499 million and it worldwide gross was 1.2 million dollars. Well, Iron Man 2 grossed 621 million dollars. Worldwide gross in 2013, it was second.

[00:04:34] Only behind Frozen and ahead of Despicable Me and it is the 24th grossing movie of all time. It ranked seventh among MCU movies in terms of worldwide gross behind Black Panther and just ahead of Captain America Civil War.

[00:04:50] And one of the things I didn't realize at the time was you could actually pre-order on home video before it's released theatrically, which I think this was the first maybe only one that did it.

[00:05:00] Yeah, I don't remember that and that feel like a thing I would have done. Oh, totally. Totally. I brought to me those critics gave it 79% audience gave it 78%. It was directed and written by Shane Black.

[00:05:14] He had at that point in time he directed one movie, Kis Kis Bang Bang with Robert Denny Jr and also considered for the role of the director role was Tom Hooper, who won Academy Award for the King's Beach and a Razzie Four Cats.

[00:05:30] So little inconsistice to resume there for Tom Hooper. As I mentioned, screenplay was by Shane Black who was mostly known for writing the lethal weapon series and it was also co-written by Drew Pierce who was a relative unknown.

[00:05:48] He created a cult TV series called No Heroics, which came on the BBC. But then later wrote after this wrote Mission Impossible, Rognation, which is really good in Hobbs and Shaw. Black originally. Hobbs and Shaw's bad. I'm a huge, fast-infurious fan but it's bad. It's not great.

[00:06:11] It's not great. The reason Shane Black wanted to do the demon in the bottle storyline again. It did not want to have the Mandarin because of the, I'm going to go get into the character if you will but Black was basically pushed by Marvel to,

[00:06:33] pushed by Marvel to not do demon in the bottle which they sort of did. The last movie and two have the Mandarin which is one of the Iron Man's best. Comic villains.

[00:06:43] The cast, it is Robert Tangerine again and now this is the cast in order of the most screen time. So it can mix and upload it. Second was Guinith Palcho, she appears again as Pepper Pots. We have Guy Pierce introduced as Aldrich Killian.

[00:06:59] We have a Don Chiligan as James Road slash Iron Patriot. Rebecca Hall is my Hanson. Is a new character. James Batchdale is Eric Savan. We have John Fevrow as Happy Hogan again. Ty Sinkens is Harley Keener, New Row, Ben King's Lee as the Mandarin, New Row,

[00:07:17] Paul Bettick returns and then we have Stephanie Sozac as Elimbrant and William Seller as President Ellis. As all with things Marvel, other actors were considered for certain roles so for Aldrich Killian, Jude Law was considered which I can see. Happy Pretty Hall. The Mandarin, Anthony Mackey auditioned.

[00:07:41] Yeah that would be I'm sure it's glad he did not get the role but like that's pretty well. I would like to see the Mandarin call sheet one day just who all raised a hand. I couldn't imagine him. It would be a totally different version.

[00:07:56] He would not have this other in Baptist like teacher trying to teach you America kind of thing that would not. No. That characterization would have changed a lot. Oh totally yeah they themselves scripted look a lot different but my Hanson there were number

[00:08:10] of actresses who were either auditioned or were considered Jessica Chastain was cast but she had a conflict. Jim Arderton who was considered for Black Widow, thank you Carter. So always Pride's May Never Pride was considered Diane Kruger is a Fisher we're all considered and then Emilek Clark was

[00:08:31] actually cast but because of script changes her character was dropped and we'll see Emilek Clark later on in the MCO. Yeah this is the final movie MC movie that was produced by

[00:08:43] Paramount just a little couple piece of trivia. It's the first movie not to use IOM for visual effects. They used and said digital domain which is owned by James Cameron and a wet

[00:08:53] digital which is owned by Peter Jackson and we'll kind of get into the comic stuff but this marked the first appearance of the mander and who appeared in 1963 tales of suspense number

[00:09:05] 50 and so we'll get into the comic elements as we go through the scene by scene break down but that is the production notes for Iron Man 3. Awesome well thank you David thank you.

[00:09:19] So as we always like to do here before we get into the breakdown we like to kind of set the stage right so so thinking about where we were at in 2013 when this movie released

[00:09:36] what was so for that we we kind of have to think about what what was it like right what was our lives like what was our viewing like um so David let me ask you what what was your first time

[00:09:52] watching this movie like so coming on the heels and right after the Avengers and having enjoyed all the MC today I was really really really looking forward to this film. I thought that they had

[00:10:08] really captured the Iron Man character I was looking forward to the cast I like that pierce everyone loves bank Kingsley but I was ready for the movie. I don't remember the first watching of it

[00:10:22] I do remember seeing it a couple times in the theater and then kind of early waiting when it came when it was available to watch either probably on DVD or online how about you.

[00:10:32] Yeah my first viewing was definitely a midnight showing I remember seeing this one at midnight this was definitely another one that we watched where I watched with the comic book shop in town.

[00:10:46] I think I won some trivia if if memory serves maybe I actually went to this one for free because the way that they always did those trivia was the last question of the trivia for the like

[00:11:00] movie prior so it wasn't just MC movies but it was like all nerdy movies so the last question was always about the next movie that they were going to do and the prize if you got that question right

[00:11:13] was two tickets to the next movie and so if memory serves I think I actually one my tickets to Iron Man 3 by answering a trivia question about it right. Next. So yeah. Did you go? Did you go as Iron Ram?

[00:11:32] I did. I did and this this movie was when Iron Ram was really getting its upgrades so for those who who are jumping in on phase two because you did want to listen to phase one for

[00:11:46] some reason one go back and listen to phase one. Big mistake go back be a computerist. I I did dress up as a green and gold Iron Man for college football games here at

[00:12:02] here in Colorado Colorado State University and I would wear it to Comic Con's and also I would wear it to comic book movie premieres and I'm nearly certain I wore the Iron Man

[00:12:16] the Iron Ram costume to Iron Man 3 and this movie also is what inspired one of my favorite upgrades to that suit which was the the like injection molded or I guess vacuum form to the non-jection molded but the vacuum formed helmets that I would buy. They

[00:12:42] because this movie they finally upgraded it so that the face mask would slide up and I didn't have to take the whole helmet off to get air or to look out of it so to breathe. Right so this

[00:12:56] movie inspired one of my favorite upgrades to that Iron Ram costumes. Nice, nice. What were you so when going back into rewatching this presumably in the last couple weeks what were you

[00:13:10] what were you thinking when you went into it? First off I was stretching my legs because we spent a whole week without a whole month without having to rewatch anything from the MCU which

[00:13:22] I say that like it's a bad thing I love the MCU and rewatching it is always a treat. But it definitely was like stretch my legs came back into it for the show and then

[00:13:33] I am very familiar with this movie like I mentioned I watched this one at least at least once usually multiple times throughout the Christmas season and so I this is one where I knew what

[00:13:51] I was getting back into right we talked a little bit in some of the phase one episodes about I can't remember I remember it being good is it still gonna be good I remember it being good

[00:14:01] oh my god it's bad you know some of those kind of things with this one I knew what I was getting into this was coming back to a comfort movie for me I was excited because I like this movie a lot

[00:14:14] and I was really glad to get back to it I will say it is interesting the process of this podcast has I was going to ask you that very question which is like viewing with like a critical analytical

[00:14:30] eye and not just to it and enjoy me I was it any different after rewatching it It was a little bit different and we can get into that kind of at the end too but

[00:14:42] I will say the the other interesting piece that I've noticed as we've gone on this journey of this podcast is going back and rewatching some of these that you know I watch somewhat frequently

[00:14:54] with the recent having watched like within the last six months having watched all the movies that led up to it is also an interesting change right there's there's not a lot in this movie that calls back

[00:15:10] to previous movies but you're in more of the spirit and also having watched forward which we'll talk a little bit more about probably when we talk about the one shot that goes with

[00:15:25] this all hail the king without spoiling too much there is it is nearly impossible to have anything except for a memory of how you felt before watching this movie because this movie has a big

[00:15:47] reveal and it which we'll talk about in the in the review but it also there's also other things down the line that kind of have retroactively impacted this movie and so the emotional state of this

[00:16:00] movie is markedly different today than when it was in 2013 or even then what it was all the way up to like 2021 like it's it's a different feel now so it's interesting it's it's definitely interesting and I found that really interesting on the rewatch how about you

[00:16:21] so I do not have this one on my kind of concert watch this is false within the category of I remember seeing the film I remember the big reveal I remember how it made me feel at the time

[00:16:34] and as you said the lead up to this I'm to Iron Man 3 having just watched all the MCU to date I was looking forward to seeing how it kind of fits both in terms of the Iron Man

[00:16:53] series the trilogy right like do they feel even or do they feel disjointed do you see the characters develop so I kind of wanted to see because you have different writers each time

[00:17:03] and you only have I think all the directors are different if I'm not no no directors different for the for Iron Man 3 and so I wanted to see if it like I wanted to see that part and I wanted to

[00:17:15] revisit my feelings coming out of the movie were having watched the movie initially around the reveal and to see I'll also try to watch the pepper Tony relationship arc which to me

[00:17:31] today it has felt very kind of still to and very kind of artificial and so I was looking up those were some of the things I was looking forward to and then debucking your claim that

[00:17:43] this is in fact a Christmas movie looks will get to maybe super secret spoiler show or soon as we stop recording yeah that's fair all right well this week or this month rather

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[00:19:05] slash ears up that's ears with a Z up now back to the show and we're back all right well David let's go ahead let's get started with the actual breakdown of this movie and I'm actually going to have you kick it off here for us sure i'm answering

[00:19:30] let's do this so moving begins we hear Tony he is narrating a story about how we create our own demons and so in a flashback to near zeev nineteen ninety nine we see Tony meeting a few notable

[00:19:45] characters he meets a botanical scientist named my Hansen who wants to introduce Tony to a research project quote my and and I should just pause here for a second to say that this is a backwards

[00:20:02] looking scene we jump forward a little bit later on but when I first saw this movie I was confused as to why happy hooking had long hair and what's going on I think I found just blinked at the nineteen

[00:20:15] nine nine part but so you know we see Tony 20 years there are 12 13 years in the past he is still ever the playboy he talks about she wants to introduce Tony to a research he has something else in mine

[00:20:30] he says my my says where we going Tony says to town on each other probably back here room hogeon center lives we see which which is great to see again then we see Tony meeting Albert Gillian

[00:20:43] who pitches his company advanced idea mechanics or aim on a crowded elevator with Tony and happy hogeon and just a bunch women and then Tony basically tells killing hey man I'm interested in the

[00:20:54] idea I'm trying to get rid of him I'm going to and he says quote I'm going to try to ditch these clowns I'll see on the roof in five minutes just gonna try to get my be quite real quick so

[00:21:03] one of the things I'm rewatch you know I meant to pretty misogynists but I'm thinking you know maybe they've turned a corner here completely wrong at the beginning so um and then we see by is working she demonstrates the biological research that in the plants which causes

[00:21:24] and not a scientist here but causes the DNA to change and basically has the power to cure otherwise incurable diseases paralysis, temptation and that is project extremists and then we see it firsthand um on a plant but it also causes a glitch which causes an explosion

[00:21:48] and in kind of a funny scene happy kind of protectively smothers Tony near fire near Z fireworks go off as we see Killian is just left alone on the roof so sad so sad.

[00:22:01] Yeah this the scene I had to remind myself that this is pre Iron Man right so so this is before Tony's been humbled and it's gross it is definitely gross but it's

[00:22:20] I think it had to be because that's what Tony was right like this this deepens that character for Tony of like going from being the gross guy to being now you know yeah I didn't feel the same

[00:22:36] way I just felt it was unnecessary you could definitely you know portrayed him as a partier the you know I'm gonna get my beacquette real quick super gross like just you know

[00:22:47] and you know so I didn't necessarily love that park it for me it just more kind of took me out of the movie and I just and like I said I had to remind myself this is a flat like you said

[00:22:56] this is a flashback scene different Tony but um it just started the movie off maybe on a slightly wrong point might have been better had we started in the present and then gone backwards perhaps might have been you know could we have been reminded of the current

[00:23:11] Tony but anyway we do eventually get to December 2012 so 13 years after the rooftop and after months I think it's like six months after the battle in New York he has spent Tony has spent all of his time

[00:23:24] building dozens of new power suits all with different abilities and capabilities it's clear that his experience has impacted them and he's showing signs of PTSD he's not sleeping he's withdrawn he is just tinkering on stop and his latest model is the Mark 42

[00:23:46] and it is modular meaning all the suit pieces are flying to him and then reconbying and so you see him putting these installing um microchips into his arms to be able to kind of call the armor if you

[00:23:58] well and we see the very first attempt of Tony trying to make the Mark 42 work he's dancing to kind of a fun funky version of jingle bells while the pieces are coming out of and Tony who's been

[00:24:12] awake for three days just completely ignored his charms as warnings in the demo and to poor the whentonies thrown across from attempting flight while the the Mark 42 shatters into pieces Namely ask you how did you enjoy you as the big fan of arborups what do you think

[00:24:30] I think this one's really fun I like that this one is still mechanical like these suits are still mechanical it's not nano bots that just kind of grow on him and that sort of thing it's

[00:24:43] it's still all mechanical pieces which is really fun I hope this was a fun suit up to like the part where like his butt pieces the last piece that's missing and it comes flying in and it

[00:24:59] wrecks everything is really silly we got a cool superhero landing as of course we did but yeah I think I think this is a really fun suit up plus it establishes this has a Christmas movie with the aforementioned jingle bells and Christmas trees in the background

[00:25:22] this is a good mini-string debate we will say it for later we cut to a video of Tony who's watching a we cut to Tony's watching a video of the Mandarin and the Mandarin is says and the broadcast

[00:25:37] some people call me a terrorist I consider myself a teacher America ready for another lesson why should it bex is more yeah you got America a miracle America ready for another lesson

[00:25:50] president Ellis you continue to resist my attempts to educate you sir and now you've missed me again you don't know who I am you don't know where I am and you'll never see me coming

[00:26:02] fun little thing president Ellis who's in reference there is obviously president at states of the time and he's named after worn Ellis who wrote the 2005 Iron Man's story arc extremists which was one of the comic influences for this film we cut to see various news outlets

[00:26:20] reporting on the Mandarin before we cut to president Ellis who's introducing James Rhodes as the re-themed iron patriot so if you thought you thought you thought the nationalism is turned out

[00:26:33] my man wait for it we also get you know what other thing I think the people in watching Iron Man too most people said you don't have the best part of the that movie was all the celebrity

[00:26:44] cameo cool let's let's double down and so you get Bill Mar and John Rivers were both poking fun at the iron patriot rebranding before we cut to Tony and Rodina Barr

[00:26:57] who were talking about the iron patriot in Mandarin yeah I so the reason why I have such a big cringe moment with iron patriot is this movie is one of the principal offenders of just

[00:27:16] taking something from the the comic books ripping its name and just slapping it into the movies and iron patriot is the prime example of this so in the comic books in the prime universe right so the earth 616 mainline comic books to give everybody who's listening here a

[00:27:41] little bit of a background on the actual iron patriot and I'll let you compare it to what happened in the movies here during going into the prime going into earth 616's version of secret

[00:27:57] invasion which if you caught up on the MCU you're watching on TV right now um Norman Osborn famously the green goblin yes that Norman Osborn was the director of the Thunderbolts during the secret invasion uh or during the action of secret invasion the Thunderbolts go and

[00:28:16] save Washington DC now I'm I'm putting a very high level on this please understand there's a lot more nuance and a lot more detail and I definitely suggest anybody go back and read these comics are pretty good

[00:28:28] and the Thunderbolts saving Washington DC kicks off Norman Osborn's dark rain dark rain is a story arc that ran from 2008 through 2009 where Norman essentially leveraged himself as America's last hero and worked his way to lead pretty much every arm of the U.S. defense department

[00:28:56] and everything from shield to in the comics there's a thing called the 50 states initiative everything he was over the he was ahead of um from there Norman Osborn created the dark

[00:29:06] Avengers which is a super cool team where it's a bunch of villains either acting as heroes or kind of as loose analogs and just to give you some of the heroes that were in there um so Marvel

[00:29:20] boy appeared as Captain Marvel bulls eye who we all are familiar with from David's favorite movies um appeared as Hawkeye he dressed up as Hawkeye I'm gonna skip a few here uh Mac Gargan with the

[00:29:38] venom symbiot showed up as Spider-Man Charles Barton who is Clint Barton's brother showed up as trick shot Daccan dressed up as Wolverine um Harry Osborn was a armored Captain America analog so this is Harry Osborn Norman Osborn's son uh he called himself the American son and he had

[00:30:04] both super soldier and green gobble and serums kind of going in um Scar stood in for Hulk uh U.S. agents stood in for Captain America one of my favorite weird ones is Ragnarok who is a

[00:30:20] clone cyborg version of Thor he stood in for Thor um and then kind of leading the dark Avengers was Norman Osborn in the Iron Patriot armor which was built out of stolen Iron Man armor's

[00:30:36] it is a first appearance as the Iron Patriot was in March of 2009 the dark Avengers ran a luck for a while um until they decided that they wanted to attack as guard um as a quote on quote

[00:30:50] response to a staged attack um of sexually soldier field because everything happens to soldier field in the uh in comic book things um by Volstag the dark Avengers go to attack uh as guard

[00:31:07] and end up actually destroying as guard but the actual Avengers at this point go and capture Norman Osborn and actually in a really cool scene they they lift his helmet off they lift off

[00:31:23] Norman Osborn's Iron Patriot helmet and you see kind of crude face painted version of the green gobble and mask I thought to be a serons Howard yeah so just like a crudely painted

[00:31:42] green gobble and mask uh it under the Iron Patriot armor which again really cool story and I'm really really upset I know I was one of those nerds who was ranting and raving about this in 2013

[00:31:56] because this is a really cool story and they just kind of lifted it to use its iconography in this movie and put it on roadie and then what they did is actually in the movies or I'm

[00:32:09] sorry in the comic books after this movie was released um they brought back the the Iron Patriot moniker I guess shortly before the movie was released as like drones and then roadie through some

[00:32:25] some weird let me tell you comic books in the 2010s were weird roadie reasoned with the AI that was in control of the Iron Patriot drones because they were kind of being used to

[00:32:37] implicate the US in crimes um he reasoned with that AI and the AI ended up giving roadie an iron Patriot suit and then I or then roadie was the Iron Patriot for a while um that was all like

[00:32:53] April of 2013 through like July of 2013 is when that was taking place so right around the release of this movie definitely something where Marvel said hey we're doing this in the movie we should probably make

[00:33:07] it make sense in the comics um so what you're saying is it wasn't a paint job it wasn't simple it wasn't a simple paint job it's actually a really cool character that I'm sad we're not going to get

[00:33:22] at this point I mean I guess we're in the multiverse so yeah well we're not gonna think this is a strike going on anyway um in the in the scene we see roadie outside of

[00:33:35] his iron Patriot suit Tony outside of his iron man suit oh that'd be kind of a funnel like hang out the bar like just in the suit it's like they just came off work but anyway put that aside um so

[00:33:45] roadie is sharing with Tony that there have been more bombings than have been reported on the news and that intelligence agencies are mystified by the lack of any physical evidence being left behind he rode also expressive concerns about Tony and insist that Tony does not get involved

[00:34:05] and then as they're talking two children asks Tony to sign a drawing of iron man carrying the nuclear missile through the wormhole and Tony freaks out and when one of the

[00:34:18] kids starts to put some on edge and when one of the kids asks him how he escaped the wormhole it triggers him a panic attack and he just abruptly and we see this for the very first time

[00:34:29] we'll be seeing the movie leaves abruptly and it goes outside and flies off the iron man suit yeah I thought this was so a couple things here one I will say that is not the interior of

[00:34:41] Neptune's nest anybody who follows our socials knows I was just at an Neptune's nest a couple months ago that is not the interior now it is exterior shots for sure of Neptune's nest up in

[00:34:52] Malibu by the way unsponsored plug go eat their delicious and beautiful but if it were to sponsor us go for it and not expensive either um and then but the other thing I wanted to call out is this is

[00:35:10] the first like anxiety panic attack that we see Tony have and I will say as someone who has struggled with this at points in my life right I've like opened it up a little bit here but

[00:35:22] I have struggled with anxiety and that's sort of thing in my life and I will say that this felt very true to that experience um this like the way that they depicted like the smallest thing

[00:35:39] kind of tipping him over and that's sort of thing um it because Tony breaks the crayon and that's what kind of triggers the really the crux of the anxiety attack and I will say that it felt

[00:35:57] true to me it felt very very real and and I will give them kudos for how that that was portrayed interesting I will appreciate sharing that I think that this one of the things on rewatch

[00:36:10] I kind of I think back at the time I think kind of you know mental health was not as kind of a prominent or talked about issue as it is today and so I'm glad that they did a good job of

[00:36:22] representing it and I also in this heart and back to how we talked about in the very first episode we did how the characters have real issues and suffer from real things and they're not all perfect

[00:36:34] life characters and I thought I too thought that they did a very good job of of representing how Tony was still suffering months after it could that would be a very real thing to it like being

[00:36:47] thrusted to war and not expecting to have any kind of negative impacts to his but just seems not genuine yeah for sure for sure well from here we cut over to stark industries

[00:37:04] where we see happy he is now the head of security he's ensuring everybody has their badges as he walks through the main lobby and this is actually where we see the menorah in the background

[00:37:18] it's at stark industries pepper let's have you know that he's being a little bit over zealous to the tune of a 300% spike in staff complaints pepper has to head into her four clock meeting with Aldrich Killian which she's worried is going to be a little awkward because

[00:37:43] he used to ask her out all the time when they work together we actually find out that now Aldrich Killian has become a hotty make hotterson and they discuss aims latest project extremists

[00:37:59] and Aldrich does his best kind of corporate weapons spiel with a look inside his quote big brain throughout this one thing I wanted to point out right here and this is kind of important this relationship intention between these two one there was a rejected plot point where

[00:38:21] the writers there was the in the sector after the script that pepper and Aldrich Killian have an affair and there's a sex tape and it's released the media's embarrassed pepper which would have just been an atrocious storyline but they kept they kept some of the tension

[00:38:36] which kind of kind of works right and you know here type of a this is a good looking guy like I get it yeah it was also it's also really funny that that's part of that because

[00:38:49] in the comics at the time happy and pepper are married so at this point in the comics and also for years in the comics not it's not just unique to the 2010s happy and pepper are the couple

[00:39:03] and so it's kind of funny that happy is on the outside looking in of a potential love triangle but also I don't know I find it funny as somebody knows the comic book background always the grooms him never the groom right right so happy called Tony

[00:39:23] in a really funny like tech fumble type scene where happy struggling to like turn the camera around he's got it stuck on the front facing camera and makes a jab about not being a tech genius like Tony

[00:39:39] it's a phone man like come on it's I mean it's you know I'm not asking to like you know operate some crazy machinery or even iron net arbor man it's just like just a phone press about

[00:39:55] four year olds can do it swap but yeah so happy like reminds him who who all drich is Tony doesn't really remember and happy goes of course you don't remember he's not a blonde with

[00:40:08] a huge rack could have said could have said hey you were pretty drunk that night or that was the lady with the exploding plant or what is it right like just unnecessary Pepper ultimately turns down to the business proposal but they share a little personal moment

[00:40:33] before he departs Pepper turns us down on the basis of being too weaponizable she she hears the ideas of extremists and she's like that's gonna be a weapon spoiler alert she's not wrong um she heads home and she finds quote unquote Tony sitting in the mark 42 armor inside

[00:40:56] being clearly suspicious of this actually being Tony she asks for a kiss from Tony and he says that the face mask is malfunctioning so she decides that she's gonna go to the basement

[00:41:13] and get a crowbar to crow to try it open um when she gets the basement she realizes that Tony has eaten without her on date night great this moment great his boyfriend never right

[00:41:31] in this moment uh Tony admits to Pepper that he is a piping hot mess um and is struggling with his mental health and opens up kind of about the struggles he's he's going through right now a couple

[00:41:42] things um which I thought were kind of interesting when uh one is just more like a little trivia thing when he comes down the stairs to confront him there's like a pile of twisted colored metal out

[00:41:54] you know you've seen his workshop and if you look closely that is the metal that is the Formula One race car from Monica which I thought was kind of a string yeah I got that too and I

[00:42:05] thought was really interesting and it um I was doing some research on this um and one of the things I came across was actually relating that scene um to the fact that like Tony's art is kind of a

[00:42:25] arc throughout the three Iron Man movies um so an Iron Man one he's asking Pepper to go buy really expensive art right he he wants to buy a expensive art and store it Iron Man 2 he's hanging

[00:42:40] up a poster of himself and selling off his Jackson Pollocks and his ice art and then in Iron Man 3 he's kind of picked back up the high art idea but it's art about himself right it's the crumpled

[00:42:57] Monica cars it's kind of the to me it'd be a reminder of my downfall right it'd be and I would suppose that's how he would use it right characterization wise it would make sense that by looking at

[00:43:09] that he's reminded of his failures in a way that like inspires him to improve. I don't know if it'd be like I would view it as like a reminder that I'm not I'm not invulnerable right and you know when

[00:43:23] he decides hey I'm gonna raise the race car because I'm Tony Stark and I can do anything like you have to have that moment of like no you can't necessarily do everything so I might flip that around

[00:43:35] and would wage you probably does it to remind himself a little bit about phone availability a little bit of as humility um and a little bit like life is short right or potentially short.

[00:43:45] Yeah um and before we we move on we talk this is where we get a lot of the expose about extremists and how it works it quote unquote hacks the brain in an empty slot which again

[00:43:59] yeah I'm gonna rant on this at least four times during this episode taking something really cool from the comics slapping its name on something else somewhat related but not the actual same thing so

[00:44:12] give you guys an idea of what happened in the comics with extremists. Stremus is a the extremist storyline is a arc of Iron Man that took place from January 20 2005 until April of 2006 extremists is developed by Maya Hanson and Aldrich Kylian at future farm which is a subsidiary

[00:44:39] of Stark Industries. So not by aim. Aldrich Kylian in this storyline really only serves as so he he helps develop it and then he goes and he starts uh so government funding is what what's

[00:44:58] funding extremists the funding gets pulled out. Aldrich Kylian goes off and sells some of the samples of the not fully functional extremists and then he kills himself that's the extent of Aldrich Kylian's storyline in the comic books and and he's not anything more than that.

[00:45:23] Maya Hanson though plays a pretty major role in the extremist storyline so after it's the samples have been sold off a domestic terrorist in the US called Malin who is empowered by the extremist

[00:45:44] techno virus is fighting with Iron Man Iron Man defeats him but is pretty damaged and so Iron Man has to take the extremist virus himself and mind you in the comic books the extremist

[00:46:02] virus is actually nanites it's actually nano particles that are in your blood at that point. Um so Iron Man takes that to heal himself because the powers are pretty similar the the base powers of what extremist does is pretty similar. Now for Tony a couple things that change

[00:46:25] Tony gets the ability to essentially interface with any technology through sheer force of will so he could look at an ATM and it would spit out money right. It's doing what he wants

[00:46:38] he uses this to interface with his armor so it's it's basically like an extension of him. He also uses the extremist to store his armor as nano particles in the hollow parts of his bones

[00:46:53] so his armor actually like it's called the bleeding edge armor but it kind of just boils out of him and becomes his armor which is really really cool. I'm on record is not liking nano

[00:47:06] bot suits but i will say that's one of the cooler versions of it where it just kind of like is stored in his body. That is cool. Um ultimately the Mandarin actually gets involved with extremists by infiltrating the government manipulates my hands into perfect the virus.

[00:47:26] At that point they realize that only 2.5% of people have a gene sequence that can accept extremists and so the Mandarin's big plan is to basically use extremists as a bio weapon and release it worldwide kill off 97.5% of people and the last 2.5% of people that will live are

[00:47:50] going to be these gods right because they're going to be empowered by extremists they're going to be able to heal themselves. They're going to be ageless they're going to have fire-breathing powers

[00:47:59] and all this stuff. Um and so that was kind of the Mandarin's master plan. Um now down the line eventually aim does actually get involved with extremists at the very, very, very, very, very

[00:48:13] tail end of it all after the main chunk of the story is done. Maya gets kidnapped by aim and they force her to make some more extremists that they can then sell off

[00:48:28] to the highest bidder. I'm not going to lie, I like that extremist storyline more than this one. Yeah it's I think that's going to be the overarching theme every time I cut in with one of these

[00:48:40] rants about the comic books because um well I love this movie. I genuinely love this movie they used up a lot of really good material. Yeah yeah when we talk about what would you better

[00:48:55] as it is in plus this in theory, this storyline arc and this is a general statement you're like all the the multi-comic arc are probably better as I get Disney plus show than like a two-hour

[00:49:07] movie absolutely so so we um date night does not go well and hey fall asleep Tony has flashbacks to the battle in New York and somehow through his sleep reactions because he's got the

[00:49:24] microchips and his arms he calls the Markford to hammer to the bedroom. Pepper is not too cool with that and she heads to the couch remarking him to co-tinker with that. I remember on first watch

[00:49:42] and even on subsequent watch you know look like the Mark 42 was was threatening pepper but actually I think what is as we see as revealed later on it's actually meant to protect her

[00:49:54] and when we meet the Mark 42 I mean Tony claims it was designed with her protection of mine so it's plausible especially when you see some we see stuff later the movie he actually designed it for her

[00:50:06] and not for him so interesting little armor note there. We then cut to Los Angeles where we see happy is investigating his following Killian's bodyguard Eric Savin at the TLC Chinese Theatre

[00:50:20] for the known as man's Chinese Theatre and he confront Savin and then just gets worked before he witnesses another an extremist Killian agent who unexpectedly combasts when he cannot control who he cannot regulate and it destroys the Chinese Theatre and happy watch Savin mysteriously

[00:50:46] heal himself while happy just is you know seriously injured and he ends up at a hospital. Yeah it's actually really interesting and I'm not going to go ahead and as long as I've

[00:50:59] a rant here I promise but both characters that that are extremist power in this scene so Eric Savin is another name pulled from the comics but not the same character so that's Eric Savin in the comics was Coldblood who was a cyborg assassin and then actually Jack Tagger

[00:51:25] was a armor based hero I believe called Armory or artillery it's one of the two and I don't have it in my brain notes right now so but Jack Tagger it's also from earth 616 not the same character

[00:51:42] clearly really used a lot differently but yeah yeah yeah the one of the things that kind of struck me when I'm watching this scene is like how much this reminds me of the Terminator right like these

[00:51:59] these you know that had that very much a scene which I don't hate right because I love the Terminator series we then cut to the Mandarin who is talking about the explosion and he

[00:52:11] Mandarin says a true story about fortune cookies they look Chinese they sound Chinese but they're actually an American invention um I'll just go throw their hollow full of lies you'll bat taste them out my disciples just destroyed another cheap American knockoff the Chinese theater

[00:52:32] Mr. President I know this must be getting frustrated but this season of terror is drawing to a close and don't worry the big one is coming your graduation we see Tony visiting happy in the hospital

[00:52:45] where he Tony asks the nurse to leave it on down to Abby which is in real life one of John Favreau's favorite TV shows and outside the hospital appointed question by reporter Causes Tony to basically make an impromptu threat to the Mandarin and Tony says here quote

[00:53:06] here's a little holiday greeting I've been waiting to send to the Mandarin notice has holiday greeting in that Christmas I just didn't know how to phrase until now my name is Tony Stark and

[00:53:15] I'm gonna have a afraid of you I know your carrots so I decided that you just died pal I'm gonna come get the body there's no politics here it's just good old fashioned revenge there's no pentagon

[00:53:25] it's just me and you and on the off-chanceier man here's my home address one ten eight eight zero Melb appointment nine to six five I'll leave the door unlocked that's what you want it right Not the vice plan as we see in a moment

[00:53:41] Also that address does not exist I now looked it up as well because I'm an urge There's a point I mean it references a point along the PCHML but it's not Sunra House unfortunately yeah Um a couple of actors that stand out in that scrum of

[00:54:00] Reporters real quick that I wanted to call out Because they're mostly extras, but you know it's kind of fun to see people that you recognize from other things So the main reporter who's kind of reporting in the front of the hospital It's a blonde femme presenting woman

[00:54:18] She is played by Kim Holdernis Which probably on first glance that That name doesn't ring a whole lot of bells But if you are familiar with like YouTubers who make like family comedy type of content or if you watched the amazing race a couple years ago

[00:54:40] She is part of the Holdernis family so Really funny content actually like Unsponsored plug But yeah Kim Holdernis and then the reporter who is like holding the phone holding a cell phone and really kind of presses Tony and and gets Tony's

[00:55:04] Response going what the the actual questions that Tony is responding to when he said when he kind of gives that threat to the manjard That's that actor is actually Glenn Foster Who is a frequent stuntman for Robert Downey Jr across

[00:55:22] Many many projects so not just the MCU, but also in Sherlock And I saw a couple other movies. I think maybe he even stumbled for him in kiss kiss bank bang So Robert Downey Jr is basically talking to Robert Downey Jr in that scene That's fun

[00:55:40] That's cool. That's cool We then cut to Tony and Jarvis and they are researching the various manjard attacks Using shield FBI and CI intercepts and I always like it just as in the side. I always like when they have these kind of

[00:55:56] pattern how you describe these kind of digital 3D layout so whether it's like the yeah Always really cool. I would really really like how to do that And they discover a prior bomb explosion which left a similar heat signature in rosehill Tennessee

[00:56:13] One thing I noted here is that there's reference to the quote Oracle cloud analysis which I think pops up on the screen I'm sorry Larry Ellison Who is in armband too in the last film Yeah, it always cracks me. So Oracle is a pretty prominent

[00:56:29] Product placement across ironman and It always cracks me up because I don't know what executive is watching ironman and deciding that That's where they're going to go for their cloud solutions is Oracle because ironman does it

[00:56:41] Oh, that's all I'm looking at I'm not looking at cost not looking at functionality You think I'm sending an RFP? No, man. I'm just kidding And then also of note because I noted Kim Holdernis in an uncredited little tiny blink and you'll miss it situation is

[00:57:01] Pen Holdernis Kim's husband now husband He's on mute but he is the reporter reporting on the rosehill incident Like on the quote unquote screen Which is just again kind of funny again. He's in the amazing race same same kind of Thing there, but I

[00:57:23] I literally watched their videos like weekly it's hilarious stuff Check it out so watching watching ironman With when I was watching with Lisa she was like wait is that? Is that sure enough it was that's funny that's I to watch that I love the music

[00:57:41] We see at this point time Jarvis plans a trip to Tennessee and Screen on the screen video screen But Tony who is now getting slightly paranoid why he's getting visitors since he told Jarvis to that

[00:57:57] To have the house on complete lockdown and the visitor turns out not to be the Mandarin But my handsome who believes Tony's in danger and Just a and Tony is surprised to see her quote

[00:58:10] Please don't tell me there's a 12 year old kid in the car that I've never met and my I said he's 13 No, I Which I thought was pretty funny and kind of a again a noddle but to his kind of playboy status

[00:58:25] one thing to note here just the my character When my arrives at Stark Mansion he when he says you're not the Mandarin The original script had my actually playing the main villain and

[00:58:39] Presumably playing this either playing the same role that killing was playing or a parallel bad person Which I think would have been really cool because we haven't had a lot of female villains in the MCU

[00:58:52] Right you probably at least at cursory thinking count them at least on like a hand or two tops right and now Would have been like a cool little twist and she later on. I mean, I will kind of get into it

[00:59:03] But she's a little kind of bummed about her character and she basically said this is not what I signed up for But it's too bad. Yeah, I don't I don't think we've had any main To this point to Iron Man 3 we have not had a main female villain

[00:59:17] No, we've got we've had some henchmen some henchmen Yeah, and including one in this film. Yes, but not like main baddie character and well There's a little back-to-telt test stuff going on. We'll get to anyway as pepper starts to argue with my

[00:59:31] The house is attacked by three helicopter gun ships Which are disguise as noon news helicopters So Tony commands the mark two mark 42 suit cover and protect pepper and Pepper and my survived attack They go to the front of the house Tony gets the armor back

[00:59:51] But it's a prototype, but it isn't ready for fight or combat Kind of a bad choice there As far as defense, but he manages to destroy two the helicopters house crumbles into the ocean takes time with it Tracks him to the bottom, you know Tony starts pop

[01:00:07] He is able to eventually regain some power and fly off to an unknown just a nation But everybody thinks at this point time that Tony is dead including pepper So unfortunately the home

[01:00:21] Which is almost a character in the movie in the series at this point time while all the Christmas decorations ends up in the ocean so happy holidays Yeah, another little like blanket you'll miss it. It's in this scene. It's also in the scene where

[01:00:40] Pepper comes home to mark 42 being outside If you look at the mantle Jarvis actually has his own stocking which is Really really fun that is cool that is cool. Do you as an aside when she comes home and she sees him in the armor?

[01:00:54] Do you wonder if she has like You know some people have like a no shoes in the house role and whether she says I can No suits in the house like to hate you can't not upstairs take that downstairs

[01:01:04] I mean, I think she says so we're doing this inside now Like She's got like we'll get into like the relationship but man. She's got to have seen so much stuff She's like, oh okay fine

[01:01:19] Where are the repulsors to sleep? I don't care anymore like just give up arguing with them House destroyed we got to see Jarvis's stocking on the mantle and Tony Regains his mark 42 armor and takes off. We see him kind of in the background

[01:01:41] Shoot out of the ocean and take off As He wakes up we see him crash into a snowy village initially he thinks he's in in quote upstate California But Jarvis in for instance that he's actually about five miles outside Rose Hill Tennessee Tony shocked but Jarvis reminds him

[01:02:09] That he asked for a flight plan to be made and with no more power Jarvis shuts down Tony then has to trudged through the snow carrying the mark 42 armor behind him

[01:02:21] He stops at a gas station and steals a poncho and uses a payphone to call and leave a touching voicemail for pepper He then drags mark 42 to what he thought was a empty house nearby Is he's pulling the microchips from his arm? He's confronted by Harley Keener

[01:02:42] Who is armed with a potato gun and Harley discovers that Tony is Ironman Harley says that's is that Ironman? Tony's sure Technically I am Ironman Technically your dead Looks at a newspaper Tony says valid point

[01:03:04] So two things about this scene where he farts me is Harley so Harley's in Tennessee I'm fairly certain that Harley would have an actual gun but But we'll put that aside but the part like And we'll get into the Harley Tony

[01:03:21] Interaction but it starts with a very kind of touching moment between Tony where he says So who's home? Haris as well my mom's already left for the diner Dad went to 7 11 to get scratchers

[01:03:34] I guess he won because that was six years ago and Tony says hmm well happens dad's leaf no need to be a pussy about it Woo, I'll teach her uh, I guess Tony's dad did an un-brought him That's where things of

[01:03:47] Print or relations good god yeah yeah I think that the relationship between Harley and Tony is really It's it's fun and it's a pre-cursor to some things we'll see later in the MCU I think Where where Tony kind of develops other young people

[01:04:13] Sorry to share so let's be clear. These are not grooming kids he's like he's like grooming people in the super house. Let's never tell you that would be super house I should say so Yeah, yeah yeah yeah he's but yeah he's uh

[01:04:26] It's definitely a far cry from the guy who Saw the nerd granted wasn't a kid but right saw the nerdy our Aldrich Kylian ditched him on the roof it is a Much different Tony Stark at this point who has learned that you know you got to help

[01:04:50] You got to help those kids who are struggling And remind them not to be a pussy cuz they're dead left No, I this I think the diet like I like I like Tony having kind of appeared to kind of

[01:05:06] Check him if you will like to have that kind of dot in that back-forth dialogue It's just a 12-year-old kid or how role is supposed to be in the movie did he just match just seems a little bit weird But But yeah

[01:05:19] So from there we cut to Maya and pepper they're in there in a car having a conversation Maya informs her that she believes Maya informs pepper that she believes that her boss Aldrich Kylian is working for the mandarin

[01:05:37] I would like to pause here to say congratulations on almost passing the back-to-test Got two of the three well then We then cut to Aldrich Kylian who is preparing for his next mandarin broadcast before we see Tony and Harley Who are visiting the site of an explosion

[01:06:02] Where six people died Tony thinks that something is just not right and Harley says the site reminds him of the wormhole from the Avengers White what's what's up with like kids of sessions with the wormhole from their vendors

[01:06:15] But I don't understand it like I mean I feel like It's a weird oddity and that like I've encountered a few kids in my life that like they get like obsessed with There is something in a certain group of kids where they just get obsessed with

[01:06:39] I don't want to say trauma but like natural disasters natural disasters are so cool to some kids Yeah, and and so I think it's that same sort of

[01:06:51] Part of the brain right it's it's that like natural disasters are cool this is like the ultimate natural disaster or wormholes More of a natural disaster than anyone can imagine I mean that's fair and that does lead to like the The

[01:07:08] Discussion between Harley and Tony which which follows right yeah because Harley goes are they coming back the aliens Tony says maybe can you stop remember what I told you the I have an anxiety issue Does that subjack make you edgy?

[01:07:24] Yeah a little bit can I just catch my breath for a second Are there bad guys in Rose Hill do you need a plastic bag debris then to do you have medication no Do you need to be on it yes Do you have PTSD I don't think so

[01:07:40] Are you going completely mental can I I can stop do you want me to stop Remember when I said to stop doing that I swear you're gonna freak me out. Oh man you just did it didn't you are you happy now

[01:07:51] Harley says what did I say? I hate this dialogue So much really I do I Delicate is not gonna say it is stuff like as soon as an adult that you know

[01:08:02] It says hey, would you just kindly just be quiet like okay? Well, I'm a drop it and just keeps Like this seems to me like something like if we're not if we're not the topic of mental health

[01:08:13] This might be something like Pepper or Roti or happy might do to kind of like You know nudge him or or kind of like needle him on a particular topic obviously I can do that around things around like PTSD and anxiety and so forth But it just

[01:08:27] You know, I get what they're doing I get there with they're trying to reinforce we're seeing Tony and then half his second kind of like Momentary anxiety attack Which again kind of reinforces one of the themes of the movie but I just felt felt very still to

[01:08:42] Using this kid that's fair. I think I think maybe it's just the kids I've been around in my life and There are some kids I've been around in my life that are like neurodivergent and and this line of questioning feels very

[01:08:59] Very much like something I've experienced with them where like they they they have that obsessive streak and so They don't pick up on the social cues of somebody else struggling and so they they kind of just keep at it Which

[01:09:16] Probably I can see unless you've like experience that that might be like one of those things that does come across is pretty like Yeah kids are just gonna shut up. They're just gonna stop yeah Fair point so then Tony runs away briefly in school's hard

[01:09:31] Harley for spashing him out and then he heads off to talk to the dead soldier's mom Tony meets Davis's mother who's at a bar Where he notices she's expecting someone and has a file marked confidential on hand lucky coincidence And it just so happens to have MIA

[01:09:55] in a suspiciously light Marker that doesn't look like bleed through at all and also In really good handwriting that doesn't indicate what direction it should be read in What are you trying to say Ryan It's almost like MIA backwards is aim bump bump bump

[01:10:20] He's about to ask some more questions when one of Killian's agents Ellen Brant shows up And suddenly cuts off Tony she poses as a homeland security agent in with and tries to explain her actions to the sheriff But when he starts asking for identification

[01:10:39] She grabs his badge turns on her extremist powers heats it up and Smacks him in the face with it before she shoots the sheriff Quick little note about Ellen Brant again. How my book character this one might actually be the same

[01:10:55] So Ellen Brant is a agent of aim In the comic books she was she is most well-known for being man things girlfriend and After his transformation she pushes him to transform she pushes Man thing to to transform into the beast that he is And

[01:11:21] After his transformation he attacks her and leaves her face scarred Which We kind of see in this in this scene that she has a face scar Tony manages to escape the bar only to be cornered by seven He jumps through the restaurant window and fights off brant

[01:11:44] Tony ducks into the kitchen and sets fire sets a fire to keep brant out of the kitchen She ends up walking right through it and it barely synges her clothes Little does she know that Tony has at this point started to hatch a master plan

[01:12:03] But just before the whole master plan goes into effect Tony says you rock you walked right into this one. I've dated hotter chicks on you Brant says that all you've got a cheap trick and a cheesy one liner and then in one of my favorite quotes here

[01:12:21] Tony says sweetheart That could be the name of my autobiography Boosh Tony has opened up the gas line he heats up Davis's dog tags in a microwave causing sparks and Explosion blows Brant and you see her land on an electrical line I really uh

[01:12:48] The one of the things I do like about this movie is the Tony using his ingenuity to come up with traps weapons and stuff like that and at that that power was

[01:12:58] Pretty cool because you're at the tiger watch you're like this guy's gonna get murdered and we are 45 minutes in in the movie's up Yeah, for a movie with so much like armor stuff in it which will get to in the the final fight

[01:13:11] There's a lot of you get to see a lot of Tony's Smart's come out right he's not just the suit. He's not just a pilot of the Iron Man suit but he's actually smart dude who can figure out how to build traps and

[01:13:25] You know some shades of home alone in there occasionally totally So then outside the the back of the diner Eric's of seven has set The water tower on fire using his thermal abilities Which then falls on Tony who somehow survives this fall

[01:13:49] We see that seven has taken hardly hostage but Harley uses the device Accaid the pinata for a cricket that Tony gave him earlier and Blast him with a blast seven with a repulsor Seven is stunned which allows Tony to grab his car keys and

[01:14:08] in order to escape or to grab seven's car keys and Grab his car Harley tries to get in with him to go along can can I do the Harley? Sure. Yeah, yeah, you do the Harley roll And mid it you need me we're connected

[01:14:29] What I need is for you to go home be with your mom keep your trap shut and guard the suit and stay connected to the telephone because if I call you you better pick up Can you feel that? We're done here

[01:14:46] Out of the way where I'm gonna run you over buy kid I'm sorry kid you did good So you're just gonna leave me here like my dad? Yeah, wait you're guilt tripping me aren't you? I'm cold I can tell you know how I can tell Because we're connected

[01:15:10] He drives away in uh of course a stolen outie Had to be an outie What can a man in Ford Bronco couldn't have been like Mitsubishi he's like nah, he's got to be an outie. Got to be an outie. Ah, so good so good

[01:15:30] We cut to the matter and who is once again hijacked the hair airwaves and explained that he is going to Brutely murder the accountant of a major oil company rocks on on live TV if the president doesn't contact them Conte column within 30 minutes

[01:15:49] And until we see people in the gyms and bars, etc. and the TV screens are going to this hacked Mandarin Transmission And despite the president make a phone call which never do Mandarin carries out shooting and warrants president That the president will be his next target

[01:16:08] There's just one left some prep left president Ellis so run and hide Tissured children goodbye because nothing not your army not your red white and blue attack dog can save you. I'll see you soon

[01:16:26] And seen thank you. Uh Tony calls roadie who is managed locate what they think is the Mandarin so Roadie flies to the Middle East and a suit and he is shocked to find nothing but an abandoned warehouse Which doesn't have a single trace of the Mandarin

[01:16:41] He also finds that the file he got in rosehill is a document from aim which is killings company So Tony says I've got he's driving he's like I Somehow reading files and driving at same time, which is even worse in texting and driving people

[01:16:56] What that aside so he calls up Tony it's like hey, I'm going to need a heavy duty concept right now. What's your login? Roadie says it's the you know in violation of what is likely government you know password IT login

[01:17:11] Critical policy says it's the same as it's always been war machine 68 And uh password please Well look I got to change it every time you hack in Tony It's not the 80s anymore nobody says hack anymore give me your login

[01:17:25] It's uh it's a it's warm machine rocks with an ex all caps and Tony laughs And the people there laugh and I thought that was actually Very funny moment having a password that is all the same case no no numbers no symbols in

[01:17:42] 2013 as a government entity without two factor authentication That that is one of those moments that did take me out that that's where my bolt my suspension of disbelief just Right now for a second way wait, so hold on so not the flying robot suits

[01:18:00] The people with the fire coming out of their arms and regenerating limbs It's the password It's the second man you know second not me fair enough. It's a little tough

[01:18:11] But I mean it's the analogy of like the seeing the really antiquated tech the really antiquated phone or whatever Same thing so we cut back to Tennessee tennis it we received

[01:18:22] Tony driving to nearby beauty pageant he sneaks in one of the camera vans so that he can use the Vans ability to connect to the servers and research the data that's on the documents he's found now

[01:18:33] Fortunately for Tony the van is being operated by one of Tony's biggest fans He goes on his name is Gary He goes on to say how Much he's tailored his likeness after Tony his hair his little go tea

[01:18:48] And he even has his likeness tattooed on his arm and Gary opens up his sleeves and shares it to Tony's very proud of that momenty And Tony says Spanix got bail. I'm sorry Is that me Which I genuinely like that moment

[01:19:06] Yeah, and this is another one of those places where there was some weird product placement for one Speedtest.net Which is like Romantly featured as the speedtest website Which again I don't know the aim there We also got to see the Stanley cameo Stanley is

[01:19:26] Judging this beauty pageant and he gives the woman a 10 out of 10 And then the last thing that I want I just go on again this is I I promise you these are the only two super technical grants that I'm gonna go on But I S D N

[01:19:42] So Tony asks Gary to get on the roof and recalibrate the ISD ends I S D N is a landline phone Network it's Transmits over hard lines Transmits over the public switch telephone network It has nothing to do with satellites

[01:20:08] Has absolutely nothing to do with satellites or mobile networks and so recalibrating the ISDN makes no sense not to mention The most that it that ISDN can pass is 128 kill kill bits a second

[01:20:22] So I don't remember the speed what the speed test came back when he did the speed test.net speed test but I guarantee you it was faster than what an ISDN can do So it's one of those techno babble moments and

[01:20:38] As somebody who's like in the industry internet industry it kind of drives me nuts when I see it But I'm just like man come on What would it would have driven you more crazy if he connected the van to the satellite feel like

[01:20:53] Like like a fibrop decline like you just like so those a fibroptic last two the captures the same Which is like 10 10 miles in there. I'm just carrying

[01:21:03] Yeah, it's you just got a light you just got to ignore all that stuff dude. I can just it drives you know it's just I hear you it doesn't make sense but it fun plot point and a fun appearance by Gary who

[01:21:13] Up to this point in time is maybe one of my the most likable character in the movies for me so far Using ISDN technology Tony hacks into aim servers and finds video footage that sheds

[01:21:28] Light on what's going on the bombs are the work of you know this is based upon point The barms of the work of soldiers from the extremist program and It's you know it's intended to help Care people we've talked about before

[01:21:40] But if a user's body cannot properly metabolize extremists the users body heats up and explodes and You know after and now we had the big reveal which is after veteran started growing and stable exploding

[01:21:53] The deaths were used to cover up extremists as flaws by manufacturing this terrorist plot and the test footage shows and a number of the early subjects We're died because of the flaws of extremists so So from there

[01:22:09] Pepper and Maya are having another moment in a hotel room. They're having a conversation and Maya is talking about her wide-eyed approach to science she kind of can In a way compares yourself to a verner von Braun talks about alderitz trush about Tony before

[01:22:31] Room service arrives and then room service arrives and Aldrich barges on past the room service and into the room Alderitz questions Maya's motives but she tells him that she needs stark in order to improve extremists And now they have the incentive Pepper two things one

[01:22:52] Beckdale test failed again This time matching three men, but anyway, I also like how Pepper gets very defensive of Maya and I don't know why I also don't know what she thinks she's gonna do to stop

[01:23:06] Killian like I don't this is I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of deleted scene You know they've certainly gone from bickering back at the mansion to like besties like hey yeah talking about like You know a anem and extremist and stuff like that

[01:23:20] Yes, or we don't triple do that to you. Yeah, I guess so. I guess so right you know you're driving from I'm sure they're now but like you're on the long road trip

[01:23:30] You know, you know you share a mirror and all with a with a colleague in the car, right? Like I see I could bond You did that just to get the drive. I did actually I did I'm so cheap So cheap anyway

[01:23:47] So from there roadie we cut over to roadie he has packed track down the mandarin's IP address Which leads him to a sweat shop in the middle east

[01:23:56] In what can only be described as a perfect analogy for the US foreign relations in the 20 in the 2000s and 2010s He breaks in and Has all of his weapons ready to go only to realize it's a sweat shop and and Says you're free if you weren't already

[01:24:20] Well also saying you're welcome you're welcome This turns out to be a trap and He is disarmed by an extremist soldier and later we see that Roadie is knocked unconscious and killians men Steel the iron Patriots suit

[01:24:45] From there we cut over to Tony who is driving and talking to Harley and Jarvis the mark 42 armor isn't charging and It keeps saying the wrong cranberry Tony starts to have a panic attack and

[01:25:07] Harley tells him to build something because he's a mechanic and Harley is a licensed therapist This inspires Tony to head to the hardware store and start to make some improvised weapons

[01:25:23] Now I will pause here for a second because this gets to like one of the my favorite parts of the movie is all the homemade weapons but the YouTube series of Tony Stark DIY weapon projects

[01:25:38] I would pay so much money for that. I'd be so awesome. No, I'm an old man. So great. Awesome. Yeah Just here here's how you build yeah let's skip this echo stuff. Let's go straight to this thing There you go you're welcome Disney way better than the

[01:25:55] Guinect Paltrow DIY that that they might make where it's just how to make goop And Guinect Paltrow catches his stray So Tony uses the IP address that the mandrons been using to hijack the airwaves and traces it to Miami

[01:26:17] He infiltrates the estate with all of these homemade weapons he's built from the stuff that he bought at the hardware store So he's got like a bowloe. He's got an upgraded potato gun. He's got a like an improvised taser

[01:26:31] He uses Christmas like Christmas ornaments glass Christmas ornaments to be like Grant AIDS And he's also got a electric stun love which is pretty crazy. It's like copper wire wrapped around a glove that he puts power through the bill with a box of scraps Tony

[01:26:59] Exactly. No, I like the glove and the glove remind me of the first Iron Man where he's like in the Latin use building stuff out of out of the box of scraps. I genuinely like this is The the the scene is probably

[01:27:13] It's my might be my favorite of the movie just I've really liked it quite a bit That's fair that's fair it is a very very good one We we see Tony infiltrate the compound

[01:27:23] He gets to the mandrons bedroom where he uncovers a bed sheet and he finds that there's two women in there He kind of tells them to be quiet and he sneaks behind the headboard of the bed when you hear the toilet flush And then he meets Trevor Slattery

[01:27:44] Who says I wouldn't go in the for 20 minutes talking about the bathroom Okay, okay, let's let's we're gonna pause here at a moment but let's let's keep going for a second Okay, so inside Tony confronts the mandron he ends up finding out that he is a

[01:28:07] British actor named Trevor Slattery Don't hurt the face I haven't actual You've got a minute to live fill it with words It was just a role the mandron see it's not real Trevor is under the influence of some sort of substances and is oblivious about the mandrons actions

[01:28:30] He says ah well had a little problem with substances and I Ended up doing things no two ways about it in the street that man should have do Tony next Then they approached me about the rule and They knew about the drugs

[01:28:49] That that accent got away from me. No, that stay with it stay with it And what did they say they get you off of them? Tony just turned a little bit British at the end

[01:29:01] That also that might be his accent from um oh with the movie wait oh with chudal Sherlock Holmes. Yes, that was perfect well done Trevor said they said they give me more Well, Trevor is actively confessing to Tony

[01:29:20] Seven arrives and knocks out Tony. All right, let's let's talk about the we have to pause everything right now This was the moment of the movie this was the record scratch this is the two date like the biggest I didn't see that reveal right yeah

[01:29:41] I didn't see that and I was angry about it right I'm gonna go on another comic grant I'm gonna steal some thunder and go on a comic grant for a second So you mentioned

[01:29:54] Mandron's original appearance, right so the mandron in the comic books is first appearance tells this suspense 50 released on November 12th 1963 Written by Stanley pencils and ink's done by Don Hack lettering done by Ray Ray Hallaway This is old school foundational marble comics like this is

[01:30:19] This is the stuff that is The baseline of marble comics The mandron is the principal villain of Iron Man He was the architect a architect of Tony Sarks kidnapping through manipulation of long chew um

[01:30:38] He's frequently at behind the scenes manipulator, but he does have powers through 10 rings he wears on his fingers Which actually in this movie they did cost you Trevor with wearing 10 rings which is nice E-tring has a different power So he can like rearrange

[01:30:58] matter with one of the rings he can um He can create areas of darkness he can manipulate light he can Do flame blasts he can do ice blasts electro blasts He can even do mental manipulation through one of the rings and these rings are powered by alien powers

[01:31:16] Again, these are on his fingers For those of you caught up with the MCU you're gonna be like oh that's what 10 rings means But we got none of that in this movie instead we got Trevor Yeah, I remember so when you asked the question like on rewatch

[01:31:37] Like this was the moment I was sort of Most curious as to how it would come across and so the mandron character kind of mentioned a little bit earlier, but um You know

[01:31:51] Chain black did not want to do the mandron and Disney plus said or Disney said hey We have a ton of money and you're gonna do the mandron. So

[01:31:59] Kevin Feige explains you know that the Ben Kingsley mandron is not Chinese in the film as he is in the comics to as we've talked about for To avoid the kind of food man choose stereotype and the quote from Feige is

[01:32:12] We're not saying he's Chinese. We're saying he in fact draws a cloak around him of Chinese symbols and dragons because it represents his Obsessions was soon to in various ancient arts of warfare that he studied

[01:32:24] Instead they're trying to depict the mandron as a more like an ambiguous collective Every man terrorist and so the you know Representing from like you know South American insurgency to Osama bitladen and so forth and so on rewatch kind of knowing that I actually appreciate the decision

[01:32:50] More they kind of did the best that they could do. That's right right The thing I hate about it is that the character is the fact that he's just as

[01:33:04] drugged up British actor and if he had remained the original man in all the way throughout I think that would have that would have They would have been able to pull it off But that probably super frustrating so he you know

[01:33:17] I up until that point time super creepy well shots like and then that point it was like they pull the rug out and I was like

[01:33:24] Oh, man seriously and I think that's the the repeated theme of this of this movie from a comic book fans lens is like When you saw the trailer because if I remember I'd manager and was in the trailer

[01:33:37] You got excited right you were like oh yeah, they're gonna do manager and we're gonna get manager It's gonna be so cool or we're gonna get extremist right extremists is new new ish at the time Right it was only released five years five six years before

[01:33:53] This movie came out So cool, you know and then maybe I think even in the trailer you saw a peak of the iron Patriot armor and you're like I remember speculating like

[01:34:04] How is there how are they gonna pull that off? They don't have the right spider man at the time like what What's happening here this this looks so cool and the movie Taking that anticipation away is actually really good

[01:34:22] But it doesn't live up to any of that anticipation So in the moment if you are one of those fans who's like who's reading all the tea leaves and sees all this stuff

[01:34:32] This is the movie I think I think this is the movie that proved to me that you have you can't do that It's the movie that said like Don't go into Marvel movies with expectations unfortunately

[01:34:45] Because they're gonna be shot down. Yeah, so a couple things so I agree with you entirely and they've done a better job of Giving it on to the fans

[01:34:55] And but by while also servicing the casual friends and so yeah if you came in with a bunch of comic book knowledge You're gonna be disappointed in this film even more so than than the average fan right

[01:35:09] And while it would have been cool to do just a straight Mandarin storyline and you take out the extremist stuff. I still find a couple things one you need to have big cjx That's what sold you know 1.2 billion

[01:35:23] And then too, I think especially given the kind of like the climate at the time a movie which is heavily themed in like terrorism Without this unbelievable Sci-Fi piece would have freaked people out and would it would not sell well internationally like And like I said they I

[01:35:45] Can appreciate the decision more now having rewatched it even putting aside kind of future movies like I don't hate it quite as much as I did at the time

[01:35:55] That's fair. But I do that being said. I do think it was kind of this kind of this cheap thing of like building up this character And then making them entirely irrelevant. Yeah, I think that's that's absolutely accurate and that is the displacement I think between

[01:36:11] The way I felt leaving this movie the first time to the way we'll talk about it right how I felt after the rewatch I think there is a There's a big change there. There's big delta between those two so So from there

[01:36:31] Tony is captured and my a reveals that she's working with Aldrich Killian all along But expresses some remorse Tony thinks he can help I'm sorry my I think she can thinks that Tony can help perfect the extremist DNA

[01:36:48] Tony seems to have my right up until he tells her that she doesn't have a soul That call that yeah, the the insult I was like Tony dude you had

[01:37:01] Right through the first half I mean you've you've you have wood her one time before you can't you can't go back 12 13 years and bring back Real in some of that prior charm right yeah Anyway as Tony pleads for help from Maya Aldricher arrives and dialogues with Tony

[01:37:22] Aldrich kind of is heartening back to the moment in burn and says as I looked over that city Nobody knew I was there nobody could see me No one was even looking I had a thought that would guide me for years and an emity Tony

[01:37:39] Thanks to you that's been my mantra ever since he kind of wings to Maya You simply rule from behind the scenes because The second you give evil a face of in laden a Gaddafi a mandarin You hand the people a target Ultra-jage gave Tony the same gift that

[01:38:03] That was imparted upon him Which was desperation and reveals that he has kidnapped pepper and Subjected her to the extremists virus Aldrich plans to use her as leverage in order to gain Tony's aid in fixing extremists flaws So this is kind of the

[01:38:29] Indian a three not to spoil the 30 and a Jones fell but like when they Shoot Henry Jones in the stomach and Doc and and Harrison Ford Indiana has got to go get Right like he's got to get the the Guerrell right in order to heal his dad. Yeah

[01:38:45] So then Maya I guess deciding she does have a soul Decides to hero up and It threatens to inject herself with extremists Knowing that she would explode unfazed by my as threat. All treats shooter and kill sir and tells Tony a high level position has just been vacated

[01:39:11] So just a comment here about the actor so Rebecca hell who played my hands and who at one point time was pitched to be the original mander in the film You know she she was displeased

[01:39:23] She said quote I signed on to do something that was a substantial role. She wasn't entirely the villain There have been several phases of this but I signed on to do something very different

[01:39:32] To what I ended up doing and so it's you know when I've rewatched it like that was the one character that jumped out to me as Sortle kind of underutilized underdeveloped it could have had a much bigger role like you could have taken her couple different ways

[01:39:48] She could have been the ultra-manor and she could have you know she see her kind of working both sides with Tony It's just it just seemed like it was a little bit of mess there for sure for sure. Yeah, I think

[01:40:02] Looking back at phase one and and we'll probably see this become a thread through phase two There there are some characters that have been left Left done wrong I think The other thing that stood out to me here. This is just a little movie goof kind of thing

[01:40:23] Earlier at the man's Chinese theater Explosion when Jack Taggart takes Extremist he's like breathing it in He has like a little contraption is breathing in extremist in this one At this point now it's in injection with a little needle that sticks out

[01:40:44] It's kind of funny that they just couldn't keep it straight exactly what the intake of a of extremist looks like Is it a pill? Do you have it? Do you inject it like So then Rodey Who who who reminder has been captured is

[01:41:04] Is evicted from the iron patriot armor as a result of all dishes extremist abilities Tony is strapped to a bed frame and he finally escapes as the mark 42 arrives piece by piece from Tennessee 832 miles away according to ponytail express who somehow got out of the

[01:41:30] Jail in monaco where he replaced with flash I do like for example, I do like in my mind I envision these guys being the the guard just being so bored like hours of damn time Just like our I'm just gonna memorize the distances from you know

[01:41:49] Good like that yeah, I mean I would press choose like baseball stats or something but whatever like So Tony defeats all but one of killians men the one he doesn't defeat says I just work here. They're so weird And he reunites with roads on the estate

[01:42:08] Tony and Rodey confront Trevor who shares What he knows of the plans something about being off the coast a big boat and the vice president The mark 42 is not regained full full flight power

[01:42:25] So there's actually a couple funny scenes where like Tony has to walk down the stairs in the suit Which is one of those things you don't think about but that it's hilarious when it's on screen

[01:42:36] And they hop into a quote lovely speedboat that Trevor had previously referenced getting from the Aim group and call the vice president to warn him that alterage intends to attack President Ellis aboard Air Force 1 The vice president is in Cahoots with Aldrich Because of his granddaughter's

[01:43:04] Amputation and ignores the warning On the president's life now another interesting actor call out here So the vice president's Granddaughter Is in a wheelchair we kind of cut to her during this call She is actually played by Jenna or Tega

[01:43:26] Who you may be familiar with as Wednesday Adams in the Netflix series Wednesday Interesting much much different look she's a much younger at this point and definitely a Very it you wouldn't recognize her if you didn't know that it was the same actress

[01:43:45] Interesting interesting we um we see seven wearing the iron patriot suit he board the Air Force 1 he shoots a secret service ages to board You try to pose with them capture the pay president with an iron patriot suit Again

[01:44:02] Literally everyone who puts on our iron man suit does have a fly it. I will I would just your big disconnect is the Routes can these eyes D-inline and mind it's the iron man suit every single time Ironman arrives

[01:44:13] fight seven who blows a hole in the airline air the airplane's body survivors fall out Ironman kills Sab with this cool like chess propulsor ray which I thought was really cool and then Ironman flies rescue to people using the infamous barrel of monkeys technique

[01:44:30] And holds them all together drops in the water they also arrive When he lands in your right bridge the suit happens to be hit by a large track passing by and breaks in the components Reveals that Tony has been remotely controlling it all the time

[01:44:43] Meanwhile iron patriot suit flies away with the president safely inside Yeah a couple things on this so so one Throughout this action you actually see cut to like navy navy ops room And the guy who's fielding the call is played by Corey Hawkins

[01:45:04] Who was Dr. Dre and straight out of the compton So this movie is kind of one of those weird ones where there's a lot of blink and you'll miss it like actors who became something after this movie

[01:45:15] Not all marble movies are like that, but kind of fun. Yeah, what's cool? That's uh it's always fun seeing actors and like in one of their early roles and then you see them later on like oh

[01:45:24] Yeah, I remember that person here she was in you know Ironman three or whatever The other interesting thing with this one real quick before we move on and and I meant to call this out

[01:45:33] Actually all the way back at the water tower scene. There's a lot of physical or like a lot of practical effects in this movie So like the water tower scene is large in the in Tennessee is largely practical you can tell it's a it's a

[01:45:46] Miniaturized version of the set with the water And then this one actually the barrel of monkey scene There's a lot of CGI here, but This was one of the Spoiler images I remember seeing prior to this movie's release was the crash down in the river

[01:46:05] It was actually shot in Atlanta because of course it was But they had this like whole rig with all 12 people like kind of holding on to it and and doing the barrel of monkeys thing and

[01:46:19] And they actually did it as a practical shot of them splashing down into that river which is kind of cool That is cool that is cool we See Tony and Rodey they're still on the quote Lovely speedboat and

[01:46:40] They're they're basically saying well we couldn't save the president with suit how are we gonna save pepper without nothing and Tony asked Jarvis if it is that time and Jarvis and act the house party protocol Which unleashes an army of different armants suits the

[01:46:56] Cut back to Malibu you see the house and you see that the The the area underneath the basement sub floor starts to open up if you will We cut to peppered Aldrich taking on they're they're talking on an upon did oil drilling platform on

[01:47:12] Ammy where he tells her that She's his quote trophy for Tony the president arrives at the platform where Aldrich Intends to kill him on live television and then the vice president would become this kind of puppet leader who will follow

[01:47:24] Aldrich's orders in exchange for the extremit which is gonna cure his granddaughters Disability if you will Tony and Rodey track the president to the shipyard in exchange gunfire as they tried to rescue pepper and the president have kind of fun scenes with

[01:47:39] You know this kind of almost buddy cop kind of moment with between Tony and Rodey need some more of those he runs out of bullets cuz

[01:47:47] He doesn't know I like he has it unlimited supply weapons like but I don't need to like say bullets like what you talk it about And so they're under heavy fire and pinned down when All of sudden here comes Ironman cavalry and

[01:48:04] Tony instruct them to target extremist heat signatures and destroy them with extreme prejudice and I will pause for to ask you how excited were you to see this like oh my gosh I was

[01:48:19] I was like spent watching this it was so so so so so so so good In the comics Tony has always kind of purpose built armors that's that's like an ongoing trope

[01:48:35] that's been a thing and so getting to see that represented on screen was so cool in all this tech Just a couple stats as well as calling out a few specific armors So there were 34 armors in total represented in this scene

[01:48:52] They have done marketing work since that describes all 34 of those sets of armors I'm not going to bore you all with the details of all of them just highlighting a few So there was the sneaky armor which is bark 15

[01:49:07] Which you actually that's the last suit of armor you see Tony get into that's missing a leg at the end of the battle It's developed with like stealth plane technology so it's kind of angular and has a small Radar cross section You have the heartbreaker armor

[01:49:27] Which Tony at one point says heartbreaker go help red snapper out it's got a big huge Central reactor It is very very reminiscent of the ultimate universe armor Although that that armor has three kind of lights on its chest versus this one only one but

[01:49:47] The like helmet and stuff looks very similar to it the python armor which was mark 20 Is a black and gold suit that is very very very very very very reminiscent of the mark 42 armor in the comics which is what?

[01:50:07] Tony was wearing at the time of this movie's release There's the hot rod armor Which you actually see that's the when you're watching this fight when Tony like jumps off and and The suit of armor gets knocked out of the way and ends up against a pole

[01:50:25] That's the That is the hot rod armor that one is actually a prototype War machine armor with hot rod flames on the hands and feet as a reference to The suggestion of putting the hot rod red from Iron Man 1

[01:50:46] There's the thumper armor which is kind of cool. It's got the twin jack hammers it's designed to look very Functional it's designed to be kind of the blue collar armor if you will You have the gamma armor which is a essentially a green version of the thumper armor

[01:51:07] So it's also got the jack hammers, but it's green Called the gamma armor likely a reference to Hulk um One of the big ones that everybody freaked out about myself included was the silver centurion armor Which is mark 33

[01:51:26] Tony is wearing this when you first tries to save pepper during this fight And it was first introduced to an Iron Man 21985 and This this is a very very very very very very popular set of armor for a Iron Man

[01:51:46] If you talk to comic book nerds of my age or a little older they probably associate silver centurion with Iron Man pretty closely You also have the e-gore armor which was mark 38 I Was nearly certain this was the Hulkbuster armor

[01:52:09] So this is the armor that goes under the like pile on that's falling and Structure keeps it up looks very close to the comic book design of the Hulkbuster armor

[01:52:21] I actually remember this was in the trailer because I remember thinking we're gonna get Hulk in this when I saw that in the trailer I was like Dude we're getting Hulk nope and nope

[01:52:32] a couple other really quick cool ones one that I actually have a Funko pop of somewhere here is the Gemini armor Which was mark 39 it's black and white Inspired by NASA materials and it's actually designed

[01:52:49] For deep space travel so it's got like the gold face like a NASA helmet has and then it's black and white and the materials are Designed to look like things NASA would use unlike the space shuttle and stuff And then the very last one here which was mark 40

[01:53:05] The last one I'll call out is mark 40 Which is the armor that Tony used will he was fighting killion kind of up on top That one is capable of mark five or faster So it's like a super super fast

[01:53:23] Super armor okay Ryan I'm gonna ask you to rank them all from What I appreciate you Ryan is like you have Share you have taught me more about the armor than what we saw in the movies

[01:53:38] Right like you see them like for little snippets and it's cool. I appreciate all that that's um I think Again having just an Iron Man one episode on each armor or to spend more time in armor. I think it's really cool and fun for sure right So

[01:53:57] Cutty back we see this big CGI battle which ensues between all the Iron Man suits and the extremist soldiers Rodie goes to save the president Tony goes to save pepper Who he discovers has actually survived the extremist procedure so far For Tony could save our alternate appears and

[01:54:15] Begin to torture Tony with his extremist heat while Tony's in the suit and as they fight a Container raid collapses around them and pepper falls 200 feet to hurt death Right before this though and and this is a little bit of a spoiler Something happens in this fight where

[01:54:36] Tony pulls out a knife out of the silver centering and it cuts off Yeah, yeah, aliens left arm now fans track that Because you might hear people's left hands getting impacted a lot and if you are a Star Wars fan You probably know why that happened

[01:54:55] You know, I'm not really caught up on the Star Wars things. It won't be Anyway, I do like the one scene where Rodie's a came in give me a suit

[01:55:04] He's like a sorry man. They're only coded to me, but I got you covered and this moment of just like Seriously like there's not one generic one I could wear right which There's something we said for the fact that

[01:55:19] You know as the fight unfolds we see like Tony this is one of actually one of the cooler effects I think in the movie we used like basically jumping and slipping in from suit to suit And it's done very kind of reflexively and

[01:55:35] Rodie wouldn't be able to do the same and he would just be a target and You know in a weird way actually kept him safer by not Putting a target on his back which I thought it was kind of interesting for sure So pepper is dad Tony fights

[01:55:51] Aldrich ultimately finally traps him in the Mark 42 suit which Tony instructs Jarvis to self-destruct And movies over Excess that Aldrich Killion aka the Terminator survives Stagger's back towards Tony killing toast Tony that he is the Mandarin and At this point time extremist powered pepper shows up

[01:56:16] Ultimately finishes his off-killdre at Aldrich. She does his cool thing where she jumps into the suit like Grab's it grabs it or pulse her out Kicks and explosive to him and then destroys it with the repulsor A that she grabbed from the Mark 42 And The one thing

[01:56:34] It was interesting just that moment where he says I am I am the Mandarin right like he finally says it out loud As I mentioned before both Ellen Brett and my hands, where we were going to have larger roles And this is you'll love this part

[01:56:48] She was supposed to be the female villain but Marvel's creative committee particularly everyone's favorite Sexist like pearl mother insisted that the big bad had to be a male falling the reasoning that toys based on female characters wouldn't sell

[01:57:06] Oh come on man. Yeah, oh, but but as an aside Um The internet need toys for killing except like a Lego so I'm sorry suck on that like anyway

[01:57:21] Tony approaches pepper who you know pepper says who's the hot mess now Tony's like, yeah, it's debatable tipping your way a little bit Why don't you just like that at home sports bra the whole deal and

[01:57:34] Which was it was shame-block and Drew Pierce were interviewed and they insist it was get when if Paltre's idea To wear a sports bra and yoga pets a pants in the final battle not theirs I do not believe that for a moment but whatever after the battle

[01:57:52] Tony orders Jarvis to implement the clean slate protocol Which destroys all the remaining iron man suits remotely as a sign of his intention to devote more time to pepper And we finally have our lovely Newers Eve fireworks spectacular

[01:58:12] You know afterwards you see the money now the Tony's delivering voice monologue You know president and the vice president Trevor slider arrested Happy wakes up in the hospital without an Abby still playing I guess only go on channel Tony's cured pepper of her extremist

[01:58:29] Tony undergo surgery to remove the shrapnel and bedding areas art Elimiting the need for his arc reactor. I have no idea why he did not do this before Sir, you're done by Dr. Wu who we saw all the way back in burn

[01:58:45] Hawaiians and introduces Tony to Dr. Wu and makes a crude cardiac arrest joke and It's the same Dr. Wu who's doing the surgery now. Yeah like a cool amount Tony gives Harley with a rebuilt lab and new version of Harley use trademark potato gun

[01:59:03] Telling him the arm man will be back and leaves a thank you note from quote the mechanic Tony visits his old home a malibu pitches the chest react arc reactor into the sea And says he always be iron manning without his armor

[01:59:15] Gathers up some scraps from his house wreckage And drives off in a Chevy Cavalier I'm sorry it's another out of it's another out of my bad Yeah, and the last line here Tony goes My armor was never a distraction it was Never a hobby It was a cocoon

[01:59:39] I like to believe that this is actually a reference to the original extremist plot line because Subjects of the extremist virus in the comics Winning to this like cocoon of scabs on their body And it was described as a cocoon

[01:59:56] And so I like to think that it was it's at least a little bit referential to the source material there using the work cone And we get to see him before our office of butterfly Lovely now question for you was this last scene?

[02:00:16] No, you know what let's save that question for the for after the credits So with that being said Let's move into our closing thoughts Why was this movie significant David that's a really good question? I think so it's I think it's main Well those couple things one

[02:00:39] This was the first movie after the Avengers Avengers made a ton of money The Ironman movies all made a ton of money and This movie to extremely well financially. It's kind of curious they did not make a another

[02:00:53] Ironman movie and this complete the trilogy, but I think it's cement Robert Danny Jr. as a central character in them so you it And the other thing is it kind of it kind of fortifies the relationship between

[02:01:10] Tony and pepper which is always seemed very kind of weird and still to it's like hey, I really like you But hey, I'm salamating over Scarlet Johansson and I'll just saw the weird stuff um I think that by the end of the film you tend to appreciate it

[02:01:26] a question I will save for the super secret show was like I get why Tony is in to pepper I don't know why she's in down Yeah, right that's fair. How about you? Why is this movie significant for you? I agree. I think it

[02:01:43] uh I think it it In a way it kind of solidified Ironman's legacy so Ironman kicked off the MCU right kicked off phase one The second entry in Ironman was not good we've talked about it here. It was not a good movie in general

[02:02:06] This in the moment leaving the theater I remember was very frustrating to comic book fans but it was actually a really interesting movie and it broke some of the superhero tropes and molds too It was able to be a little bit more silly

[02:02:24] Tony was powered down for most of it. He was not in the suit for most of this movie And so I think it was a little bit of an exploration I think it also

[02:02:37] It's significance had to be kicking off phase two and you don't have to do that with a bang right You just you kind of just have to be there You can't be bad it can't be a bad movie to kick off phase two or else

[02:02:51] We don't have the MCU that we have today But I also don't think the pressure is as strong as like was on Ironman one where you have to like Swing for the fences and absolutely knock it out of the park

[02:03:03] I think you just had to kind of carry the story a little bit and and that's gonna be an interesting thing that I want to kind of track as we we move through these is I think the importance of movies is going to become less because it just

[02:03:16] Kind of pushes the story along a little bit It doesn't have to it doesn't have to be monumental it doesn't have to be huge but it just kind of Pushes it along a little bit right right yeah, I think

[02:03:27] Yeah, I think it's the the fact that it was very Conversely viable couldn't be up it could be a flop right Semence rapid energy juniors like to see the Ironman role. I mean I think at this point in time You could have literally rolled out any script

[02:03:47] With Robert down in junior and and the Ironman suits and it would do very well because he's charismatic He is the perfect Tony Stark everyone loves seeing the suits and I thought the plot was a Bit of a mess it was a little bit uneven even throughout

[02:04:06] I did like the fact that We got to see Tony is kind of Like growth in his character like this is the one movie where I felt like there were some bases for him changing the the anxiety the PTSD

[02:04:21] Feeling as a result of the the battle of New York and and how he comes to kind of process it how he comes to kind of appreciate pepper How he comes to realize like you know these suits were a cocoon they were you know

[02:04:32] They were not you know and wanting to devote more time to pepper wanting to just be a better person right right And it's a bomber that he quit being Ironman forever Yeah Just kidding so from there what so

[02:04:54] We do m mvp's and and just if you haven't listened before we Have a rule where we can't use the same MVP twice so David People who appeared in this movie that you've already picked you've already picked yinson

[02:05:10] Holyinson and you've already picked Robbie right now. You can't pick them and you've picked I've picked happy and I've picked Tony. I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you to go first because I

[02:05:22] Stuggle with my MVP I don't think you're gonna so I hope I'm not stealing this out of the under you I don't I don't suspect that I am I'm gonna go with Harley Really wow I really enjoyed that and I think This is so

[02:05:44] If you are the unicorn listener out there who is listening While you're watching these movies for the first time That might seem even more strange but if you are probably what I would guess is the majority of our listeners to where you're rewatching this with us

[02:06:03] Harley. I think sets up who Tony Stark is To up until modern day of MC I think Harley is the catalyst similar to Ho Yinson being the catalyst in Iron Man 1 to turn Tony into Iron Man I think Harley is the catalyst to

[02:06:25] Turn Tony into who Tony is now That that would be I think that's for me that's that's the big thing plus he's really fun like The kid who plays him is is fun there there is an awkward acting moment when he gets the like

[02:06:44] When he gets the he opens up the door in the prologue and He has a really awkward smile but that one blemishes side It's I think it's really well acted. I think it's really fun the the relationship

[02:07:02] feels very real to me like you know a kid who starts off a little bit star struck but then kind of gets comfortable with Uncle uncle Tony essentially. Okay, I Take a bridge with the Yinson comparison but

[02:07:20] You know as far as like on-screen he had a lot of on-screen time and You know through this movie especially we have to kind of like dance around who've been kind of prior in vp's

[02:07:33] And you know it's not gonna be any of the extremist people. It's not gonna be John Favreau He's basically gone to all movie I

[02:07:43] Would like to give in it to Ben Kingsley because he's a fantastic actor and I like both the Mandarin and Trevor's flattery quite a bit like Don't go on there birds for 20 minutes like love that I really struggle with this one. Um, I think I'm gonna go

[02:08:00] If if she had a larger role I would have gone with rip back a hall as my hands and like if she were just given just a little bit more room to cook If she were like the true bad

[02:08:12] But I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with guy pierce Yeah, guy pierce he Is to date I think the Ironman villain we've seen even though he's not the true Mandarin I think

[02:08:31] You know kudos to the makeup department for making him look ugly at the very beginning but you know he He places kind of you know charming You know charismatic Leader if you will he is the brains behind everything He Does a good job of

[02:08:51] Playing the the the Tony snub and the I really like the dialogue with the lovers about the anonymity and that's what's the greatest thing it's given me and thank you for that He No, he's pro he's my MVP he's what he's what Justin hammer should have been

[02:09:09] Yeah, yeah, I could see that I love both actors but You know and again another problem you have kind of the two bad guy

[02:09:17] Rolls and they kind of can't see to other out and you're not sure like it just seemed to be a little incongruent if you also Guy pierce would be my choice that's fair That is fair So last thing we do here is we talk about our ranking so

[02:09:37] Early on here in the MCU we are going to rank in kind of thirds So there's about 30 movies in the MCU been released so that means you're looking at about 10 Like groups of 10 yes So David tell me

[02:09:54] Top third middle third bottom third where does this rank and what's your overall impression I'm I'm gonna say it's in my bottom third and I think there's a few reasons for that the things in the movie that work well

[02:10:12] It's Tony outside the armor that it's his it's his growth as character it's his dealing with his anxiety It's him and the fight scenes without the armor on There's a lot of stuff the mannron

[02:10:24] You know despite the fact that they pull off the mannron best they could they ruined a character that sucked The big reveal sucked The 1999 flashback left a really bad taste or my mouth. It was hard to kind of get away from at the very beginning

[02:10:42] And it just didn't like I Thought I thought the Avengers had set like a certain standard level in terms of like telling a story and like and then it just it kind of reverts

[02:10:53] It doesn't have as much you know of the improv humor. I don't think is the first one but it doesn't it didn't have quite the same Trump for me. I didn't love the You know the the Tony Harley

[02:11:08] Interactions if you will it just it's it was just a little too snappy for me But but I can appreciate I can appreciate the role and I appreciate that they invested in someone other than Rode or pepper So how about you?

[02:11:22] Question for you. Yes, so are you a fan of Shane Blacks other work so Kisk is being bang in series Lep and I like yeah, okay, yeah

[02:11:32] The the reason I ask is because I so going into this I was super excited about this movie win Shane Black was attached I like to Kisk is bang bang bang. I liked the Lephan series. I like

[02:11:45] Lant, long kiss can I like last action hero like his his writing work is Definitely different from the MCU and that's part of what like really excited me was this was going to

[02:11:58] This was almost guaranteed to be a different take now it didn't his movie did not go full I would not say go full Shane Black style

[02:12:06] but it was a lot of his his flavor was built in and so and maybe that's going into it with expectation kind of thing right like I went into it Expecting something not to be the spectacle of of

[02:12:20] Um of Andrews and more expecting kind of this personal story which is what we got in a way Um With a lot of like various sarcastic comedy and Dark comedy in a lot of ways right I would have liked I would have enjoyed a little more dark comedy

[02:12:41] the other thing I also The other thing and then maybe it's almost sized wise is important like it doesn't it doesn't Late too many tracks for the future in fact here to do like a backwards recon to kind of fix the main bad guy right and I

[02:12:57] And while I don't have to and so while I maybe as casual fan can enjoy that It also didn't it doesn't build anything for me and it feels You know if we were not to see the Iron Man character again like oh, okay fitting in

[02:13:11] You know pepper and Tony live happily ever after and and you know There's new Iron Man in the future and that just does not happen

[02:13:17] So that's it. I will ask you. I am guessing this will be one of the movies where we have the largest variants between our opinions Yeah, yeah, cuz I'm going top there. I mean I'll go and talk and I know and this is not me being

[02:13:30] This is not me being Ryan who puts everything in the top third Ryan. This is me being like very genuine that I do think this is in my top ten Marvel movies I know not everything can be a top ten Marvel movie and I

[02:13:44] Was sitting here like while you were talking thinking about that. I was like I know I have this perception of putting everything in the top ten

[02:13:50] But I do genuinely think this lands in the top ten and I know that that I don't want to say it's a hot take because the one that's an overused phrase and two Is it an extremist take There we go To tip to winners I

[02:14:10] I do genuinely think this is a relief good movie. I think and I owe you guys one last comic book rant and I'm gonna fit it in here real quick I do think the manipulation of comic book material like mandarin like

[02:14:27] extremists like iron patriot and like aim so aim for those who don't know Aim in the comic books is again found Dational to the comic books. This is strange tales 146 in April of 1966 Develop they were developing weapons for

[02:14:51] Hydra originally and then they kind of spun off into their own thing If you have seen Marvel comics Pictures that are and you see the guys in like yellow rubber suits with like cylindrical helmets on The look kind of like beekeepers

[02:15:10] That is aim and aim is as ubiquitous in the comics as as much of a background force of evil in the comics as Hydra is today Right like yeah, they swear as part of Hydra, but they kind of split off

[02:15:24] They are they are this background evil so again just another thing they've that got kind of co-opted and and ripped from the the the comics and repurposed for this movie which those pieces are disappointing We're seeing some of it get fixed

[02:15:43] In in later entries in the MCU we see some of this stuff get fixed And so I think that actually makes this movie more enjoyable now than it was in 2013 I think it was less enjoyable in 2013 when it came out then it is today In

[02:16:02] 2023 as we're rewatched right so a couple of things one I think at some point time will have when we do our Review in our rankings it's it's fun to take a moment again. You know, you know You got reaction of where it falls just a reflection of like

[02:16:15] How you enjoy the movie or the characters and so forth and I think that's perfectly fine right obviously You know there has to be a top movie and about a movie and what's the thing you're like we'll get to that

[02:16:25] one of the things the other thing for me I think when I think about some of these movies is I've started to ask myself the questions Would they would they make this again and obviously in 2013 with you know today with perfect hindsight

[02:16:39] No, I don't I don't think Iron Man 3 would look anything like it is today I think they really would have built aim I really think they would have maybe built the manner to have a multi movie arc or to you know as you oftentimes see in the comics

[02:16:52] Manor and rises up does something bad goes to jail You know, you know comic we say it He's big enough. He's a big enough behind the scenes enough type of villain that he could have been a king He could have been a Thanos he could have been a

[02:17:05] Saga wide or at least phase wide Tom villain yeah, and you could you can he can go to way to jail

[02:17:13] And he breaks out of jail and he's back again another movie like that would have been that would have been fun to have and so for that reason It's just the

[02:17:21] It's like the the wasted resource and that's the thing that left her thumbs me out about the movie So I don't hate the movie. I just it just

[02:17:29] What it could have been yeah, might have been really really cool so that but fortunately the next movie is a big step up that we're gonna watch Yeah, yep well between then and now Make sure that you check out Pinypod on your social media of choice Um

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[02:18:45] All right David so we had a post credit scene as well as one shot in this one we'll talk about him both here First we want to talk about the post credit scene So it's revealed that

[02:18:58] This whole movie is or I guess at least the voice over lines from Tony Our Tony recounting his experiences to Dr. Bruce Banner who has dosed off at some point during this story and There's kind of a fun little interplay there where

[02:19:25] Dr. Banner says I'm not that kind of doctor. I don't have the time All right, I don't have the

[02:19:34] Tony's trying to guess at what he's saying and then he says time which actually I I genuinely think and I I couldn't find this anywhere online so I'm gonna claim Origin of this theory I think this was a Teas towards Dr. Strange

[02:19:54] saying I'm not that that kind of doctor. I don't have the time I Think that a I would guess that the writers room knew that Dr. Strange was in the next phase

[02:20:06] Sometime around the time that they wrote this post credit scene and I think that this is a Hey, we're thinking about Dr. Strange interesting. I didn't didn't even get that deep my I was just

[02:20:18] I'm mine. I was like why is he talking to Bruce Banner like Bruce Banner is not He's not he's not that kind of doctor And you know I've seen theories where you know they felt like

[02:20:30] Did Bruce help to cure pepper's extremists so maybe he's telling him the story You know and or maybe it's just simply like he is suffering from PTSD and he's talking to someone who's been through it and so many trusts You know, it's kind of hard to say

[02:20:47] The why isn't Tony insulted that Bruce Banner fell asleep And I think he just it was just a matter You know to me it's it sounds like Tony just had to get it out and so yeah, whether they were kind of actively listening or a lot

[02:21:01] It's it's the process of him Talking about it and I don't need that he doesn't need the feedback per se And then you see him launch it another story right away. So obviously wasn't like oh I needed some you know big You know big idea thought

[02:21:18] Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and it's it doesn't set anything up really it's not it's not like our big colossal Post credit scenes from other movies No, which it was actually

[02:21:32] Striking and I think we're gonna see that here for a few movies that things aren't really getting set up Through these post credit scenes for the first couple movies of the of phase two Which is

[02:21:47] Definitely interesting for sure. Yeah, it's an interesting choice you know obviously well that changes in the future You mentioned earlier the The one shots the you know the how would you just the one shots are these kind of short documentaries which They did around the first

[02:22:09] Six or seven movies of seven or seven movies of MC We missed the one shot that we probably should have watched with Captain America, but we'll catch it at Captain America winter soldier these are

[02:22:24] So they're like they were released as DVD extras. They originally were only like five minutes on which was I think a little better But the one before this was item 47 which we talked about with the Avengers

[02:22:38] That one was like 15 minutes long and this one was also 15 minutes long yeah, actually um So it's basically I actually almost enjoyed I don't know when I'm next to as much the movie but they're parts that I kind of like so so Trevor

[02:22:53] He's an enemy at Segate prison. He is surrounded by his own personal Butler or protector Herman and he has other inmates who are part of his van club protection He's being interviewed for a doctor and a bite Jackson Norris

[02:23:10] Who wants to detail the events of the man-reth situation Norris is trying to connect with Slattery so he's he's recounting Slattery's being cast a child As well as his starring in the failed CBS plot caged heat was looked Offel some it looked awful and awesome and

[02:23:31] And eventually though we get the heat informed Slattery that his portrayal has angered some people including the actual 10 rings terrorist group Which obviously Slattery did not know even existed

[02:23:44] He tells him story of the Mandarin and Terus group before we're new of veiling he is actually member of the group He pulls out a gun that he had

[02:23:55] Basically kind of disguised and snuck into the prison killed the guard in Herman before telling Slattery the real reason for the interview is to break him out of prison so he can meet the actual leader of the 10 rings Still hearing this

[02:24:10] This is gonna come as a shot but Trevor is still clueless and has no idea other amicage Remifications of him posing as the Mandarin so and then there's another one shot that has its own mid and after credit scene so You know

[02:24:22] Stick around I guess you have to just watch literally every second anything the marble puts out because it might be nice But we suggest in the hammer who's also in the same prison Who's reacting Trevor Slattery at mocking ummies

[02:24:34] Clearly still in fact you with pepper because he's reading an issue about of her bit in forms magazine And that same one at Savin is reading at Stark and Rarks quote now this chick pepper she shakes things up

[02:24:46] And that's pretty much the the one the end of the all hail the king Yeah, I mean it is cool it this actually did more to establish future things than Anything else really directly did in the in the movie or or the after credit scene especially

[02:25:08] Which is kind of I don't know fun Justin Hammer to to date in the MCU has not returned yet though rumors are bounding so But yeah, I think I think this was was a fun little thing and it basically worked to retcon

[02:25:32] That the real Mandarin really existed. I don't know if it was and I don't know David you might know because this might have come up in your Production details research was this in response to the outrage around the Mandarin or

[02:25:47] Do we think that this was like the plan all wrong? That's a good question. I don't know I would I would heart can think I will you know it Let's I'll look into it for the next one. I would think

[02:26:00] So it has to be part of a larger plan if you're not gonna have if you're not gonna have the Mandarin show up later on Then you wouldn't do this even if people were pissed right? Yeah, so Maybe it is a way of

[02:26:12] I thought if I were to guess I would say it was slightly in response to fan criticism and acknowledgement that oh This actually heartens to something that's going to be bigger that you will see again and maybe you can get excited for the Mandarin again

[02:26:26] Right, maybe right that to me would make perfect sense Marvel for the most part doesn't I don't think Really entirely retcon stuff just for the sake of retconning stuff But this was an easy one to say to like pop something I think That's fair that is fair well

[02:26:49] Yeah, I think that does it for us here at Pune Pod so check us out next month We're gonna cover probably another top third movie for the dark world And we are going to be joined by special guest Dan from the supreme resort and scraping the vault

[02:27:09] So really excited to have his voice here um Other than that guys have a fantastic July I'm sorry fantastic August and we will see you again next month