Puny Pod | Phase 1 Episode 2 - The Incredible Hulk

[00:00:00] Welcome to Puny Pod, the podcast that you won't like when it's hungry! Welcome to Puny Pod, everyone. We are the podcast that rewatches the MCU in release order and covers all things Marvel. I'm Ryan and my co-host who has always been more curious than cautious is David.

[00:00:38] Hey David, how's it going today? I am doing great, Ryan. How are you doing today? I'm doing fantastic man. I gotta ask you. So we're watching Incredible Hulk or we're watching Incredible Hulk this month. How hard was it to find this movie?

[00:00:54] I was fully expected to pop on Disney+. Scroll down to Phase 1 and find it there. Wasn't there? So yeah, I had a search online and go through all the sites. It took a bit of a while to find it.

[00:01:07] Happened luckily, have HBO Max since it's not on the Disney+. How about you? Yeah, it was a tough one. I think it's one of... I think four current departures that we'll have to have from Disney+. As of right now, so... Gotta get our stars apps ready for...

[00:01:33] When we get to Spider-Man down the road. But lucky enough my parents still have cable and have HBO on cable. So I could use their login to get to HBO Max. I will play this. I was bound and determined to find it through streaming apps.

[00:01:49] I was not paying for all this to rent this thing. Second question for you here. Do you think this is a Marvel movie? So whether that answer is feel, whether that answer is canon, what do you think? Yes, I firmly believe it's a Marvel movie.

[00:02:08] I feel like a Marvel movie in the... In the grand sense that we know it now, but it has connections to other movies. You have a recurring character even though the actor was replaced. Same casting team, same production team.

[00:02:25] So I would consider a Marvel movie. It's not a great Marvel movie, but it is an MCU Marvel movie. What do you think? That's fair. That's where I agree. I think... I think it's... Feel-wise definitely not. I will talk about that a little bit more in our review.

[00:02:43] But I do think, you know, for anybody out there who is questioning, Hey, why are you this MCU podcast talking about a movie that's released by Universal and doesn't have the same Hulk as the Avengers? We'll talk about that, but also it is the MCU introduction of Hulk.

[00:03:12] So yeah, with our kind of intro's out of the way, I wanted to jump into some Marvel news. Alright, so looking at the Marvel news of the last month, it has been a busy month. Just after we recorded episode 1, news broke about...

[00:03:46] about Jeremy Renner. So Jeremy Renner, the MCU Hawkeye. He was in an unfortunate accident. We actually know a lot more now than we did then. The news broke that he was in the ICU. He kind of fought for his life by all my measures that I've understood.

[00:04:11] Several, you know, several injuries. And what's now come out is he was out plowing on his... I believe on his property in a snow cat. He saw that the snow cat was headed towards, I believe his son-in-laws car, where his son-in-law also was. So he jumped into the...

[00:04:35] tried to get into the snow cat to stop it, to redirect it. And ended up getting kind of pulled under the track. So brutal, brutal accident. Definitely wish Hawkeye the best. I think, you know, definitely scary, scary stuff. Yeah, I was... when we recorded that episode,

[00:04:58] I was actually in the general area, like Tahoe area, trucky area where the accident occurred. Obviously very concerned about his well-being. And then a few days later they released a photo of him in the hospital with a perfect hair. I'm like he's gonna be fine. He's good. Yeah.

[00:05:22] Cool. Moving on to some Disney parks related news because we would be remiss to not mention that on this podcast, on this podcast network. The San Francisco Transformation is underway in DCA. So Disney California Adventure, if you don't know,

[00:05:41] they are taking their kind of San Francisco Warf area and they're changing it into San Francisco from the Big Hero 6 franchise, which is actually a marble franchise. The comic books were not originally marble, but Stan Lee kind of picked them up, moved them over to Marvel.

[00:06:05] And it's a movie from Pixar. The only downfall and you guys are gonna get a little bit of my park nerdiness here is I feel like they are willingly creating the same problem they have across the street over in Disney land where you have Star Tours in Tomorrowland

[00:06:29] and then you have a whole Star Wars land. Separate from Star Tours. This is sort of the creating the same thing. You have San Francisco, which is a Marvel area separate from Avengers Campus, which is just weird.

[00:06:48] Look, all I'll say is if they take away the Carl Strauss-Bierke garden, I'm gonna riot. No, I hear what you're saying, the theming, without getting into DCA and theming too much, it's all over the map. And there's only just a very small snippet,

[00:07:04] which is even California for California Adventure. So eventually they'll probably just change it to Disneyland Adventure and scrap part of that whole section. But I hear what you're saying in terms of the disjoined to nest for sure. Yeah, it's definitely weird.

[00:07:21] Well, something that's not so weird for those of you who are not super familiar with comic world, the every year, the first Saturday in May is what's called Free Comic Book Day. You can go down to your friendly local comic book shop

[00:07:39] and most comic book shops are participating in this and you can go pick up some free comics. Generally, these are kind of, they're kind of introductory comics. They're not anything that you're gonna go on and sell for thousands of dollars down the road.

[00:07:54] They're not gonna tell you a lot, but they do kind of get you hooked in. And for all the comic book shops out there, free comic book day is kind of like their Black Friday. So as I mentioned in our introduction episode,

[00:08:12] I have a very close friend who runs a Limpus games in comics in Cheyenne Wyoming. And he will actually be a guest here on our show in a few episodes, but he loves Free Comic Book Day. It's a big day for comic book stores.

[00:08:32] Now why are we talking about the first Saturday in May? All the way in February? Well, because Marvel, this last month, did announce what their free comic book day titles would be. So they're kind of taking a cool approach where they're doing these compendium issues,

[00:08:53] which is not from my experience, not their normal sort of thing. So there's four different issues that they're doing. The first one is a double issue of Avengers and X-Men. The first story is about X-Men, dealing with the Hellfire Gala, which is the Hellfire Club,

[00:09:15] kind of a big comic book thing. The second story is about the Avengers, and it's talking about the Stark Sentinel. So in the comic books right now, Tony Stark is actually building the Sentinel's kind of a, infamous villain of the X-Men, the Sentinel's. Tony Stark is building them,

[00:09:38] and so this will talk about the Stark Sentinel's. Also in the description it said, it will set the groundwork for an uncanny new team, which uncanny, if you don't know, uncanny almost guarantees that there's going to be some X-Men involvement.

[00:09:55] I once upon a time read the uncanny Avengers comic book series, really cool kind of crossover team between X-Men and Avengers, kind of cool when they get to work together in that way. The other, the second issue that they're releasing is a Spider-Man Venom double issue.

[00:10:15] So Spider-Man, Peter Parker Spider-Man, has a new, new powers, and you can get to see that in the first story. Second story is a Venom story. It's about a symbiotic experiment gone wrong, and it's to introduce a new villain, kind of cool introducing new characters.

[00:10:35] The third issue is a issue of Marvel's voices, which is, it's a series of comics that they've been releasing for a little while, that really highlight stories from diverse creators and diverse characters from across the Marvel universe. So it will include some reprints of stories about Miss Marvel,

[00:11:02] Luke Cage, Wave and some other heroes, as well as a new story about Ironheart, and again, we're debuting a new nemesis in that, which is really cool to see. And then the fourth book that they're releasing for Free Comic Book Day is Spidey and his amazing friends.

[00:11:20] This is kind of their kids property right now. It's interesting because it's actually kind of multiverse, so it's Peter Parker, Spider-Gwin, and Miles Morales kind of all teaming up. It's a really Chee-B art style, very cute, very big head, small body type art style, really fun,

[00:11:44] and something that's really cool. So make sure if you're interested in comics, you get out to your local comic book store, and also that last one, I would guess that that's kind of an early reader type of stage. So your younger kids might even find something

[00:12:01] that they like to read. Next up on our news desk here is a whole slew of what condo forever news. We got a lot of what condo forever news. So first and foremost, really, really exciting. By the time you're hearing this episode,

[00:12:16] so this episode comes out on the seventh of February. So by the time you're hearing this episode, you will be able to stream with condo forever on Disney+. If you didn't get a chance to check that out in theaters, I would absolutely recommend watching it on Disney+.

[00:12:33] I'm going to watch it on Disney+. And I watched it in theaters. I really liked it. I thought it was a phenomenal movie. And then on the other side of that, there's also a Wakanda forever, it's called Voices Rising Music, a Wakanda forever.

[00:12:53] It's a Docu series that's going to come to Disney+. It is coming to Disney+, on the 22nd of February. So really cool. That was a great music in that movie. So really excited to see that. And some of that music was nominated for awards.

[00:13:14] That's what you call a segue. So Rihanna, as well as all the featured artists on her song, for Wakanda forever, were nominated for the best original song in a Motion Picture Oscar award. So really excited to see that. That song is great.

[00:13:41] It's a good song outside of the movie, which I think is a huge part of the Black Panther movies. It's just how good their music is, even just outside the movie. And then there was also some awards for the costume design.

[00:13:58] The costume design has either one of you awards or been nominated for a few awards. Visual effects, obviously. I mean, that's no surprise. I think Marvel releases a movie and it gets nominated for Visual Effects. Their makeup and hair was also nominated.

[00:14:15] And then the big set of nominations that I think is really cool and really kind of puts superhero movies on a really good plane is Angela Bassett, who plays Queen Ramonda. She has been nominated for Best Supporting Actress for the Emmys and for the BAFTA Awards

[00:14:41] and has already won the Golden Globe for the same thing and the Critics Choice Award. So really exciting stuff for Black Panther and for Wakanda forever. And for the MCU in large, we talked a little bit last show about the Library of Congress designation

[00:15:06] and how that legitimizes superhero movies. I think this is an extension of that for sure. Yeah, totally great. Black Panther cannot I'm really excited to watch when it comes out on Disney Plus, obviously on the theaters and well deserving in terms of the awards

[00:15:26] as opposed to the incredible Hulk, which we're talking about. Did it want to be Razzies? Did the incredible? Didn't want to be Razzies. Wow. I don't know if they had didn't have the Razzies. I had the list up right here. Golden Schmosa Award, 2008. Most underrated movie The Air.

[00:15:42] So take that. Black Panther, right? So legitimizing, so legitimizing. And then one last release that I wanted to mention before we jump over into our trailer park is Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, which is a Marvel Kids Show. That's getting added to Disney Plus

[00:16:03] on the 10th of February. So I'm really excited. I have a young son. He's about six months old. Obviously very early for him to watch something like that, but I'm excited that I can get him into Marvel even at a young age. So really excited for

[00:16:22] the kind of expanding Marvel universe and the different ways that they're telling these stories for sure. So yeah, moving over into our trailer park. One big trailer that came out this month is the quantum mania trailer at release during the a release during the college football national championship.

[00:16:50] And man, this trailer got me so hyped for this movie. As if I wasn't hyped already. I was so hyped for this movie already, but man, you see, you get to see some really cool moments between Kang and Antman. You really get the feeling

[00:17:11] that this movie is not going to be the laugh of minute Antman movies that we've had so far. It's gonna have some stakes, which is really great to see. That first trailer, the first teaser we got kind of pointed towards more of the comedy element.

[00:17:29] But this trailer moved us over to a little bit more of the heavy stakes. And you also got to see Motoc, our live action Motoc got to show up in that. So yeah, David, did you get a chance to check out that quantum mania trailer?

[00:17:49] I watched it and like you, my interest in the movie's peaked if it wasn't already before. I think that Jonathan Major is going to be a great Kang. I don't want to know too much about it before going in, so I'm glad with this one.

[00:18:03] You couldn't really see some movies. You see some previous movies and they kind of give way the whole story. And I'm like, well, I'm going to watch this now. I got obviously watching even if I knew what was going to happen, but it'll be good.

[00:18:14] I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, for sure. I'm really excited to see how that all plays out. Well, David, did I miss any Marvel news or any trailers from your side? I think you captured it all. Sweet. Well, let's get to the real reason everybody's listening. This month,

[00:18:32] we watched The Incredible Hulk as a reminder during our main show here, we will avoid spoilers for future MCU movies that we haven't watched yet. You might hear a couple minor things here there that give away a character too, but nothing major.

[00:18:50] If you want to hear all of our secret spoilers and all that good stuff, we do have a secret show. I'll talk about it a little bit in our plugs at the end, but if you are into that and you want to hear how this movie connects forward,

[00:19:06] rather than just how it connects backwards, give our secret show a listen. So with that being said, I'm going to toss it over to you, David, to go over our production details. Sure, this I will pause for a second to say, if you ever listen to the podcast,

[00:19:23] how did this get made? I almost want to say, we watched The Incredible Hulk, so you don't have to. The Incredible Hulk. It was actually not released by Marvel Studios. It was released by Universal Pictures on June 13, just five weeks after Iron Man was released.

[00:19:42] Universal had the production and distribution rights to the Hulk when they produced Angleys 2003 Film Hulk. But in February 2006, Marvel announced that they had re-acquired the rights to the film rights to Hulk from Universal and mostly because Universal failed to make a sequel within a contractual period of time,

[00:20:02] so it reverted back to Marvel, Marvel retained the production rights, so they get to make the movie. But Universal still has the distribution rights, so Universal has what they refer to as a right of first refusal, meaning that they can distribute any film

[00:20:18] that stars the Hulk as the main character. But not the ones where the Hulk is a secondary character, so none of the Avengers, none of the other Thor Ragnarok etc. Given Universal's distribution rights and the poor box office results, this will probably be the only standalone

[00:20:35] Hulk film that will be made. It was produced by Gail Ann Hurd. She called this film a recoil because it's a bit of a reboot and it's a bit of a sequel to the 2003 Hulk while they take place in different content duties.

[00:20:52] 2008 Film kind of appears to pick up where the 2003 film does not and we'll get into a little bit in terms of the origin story and all that. Because in the 2003 film we see banner, fling country and wanders the world in search for his condition

[00:21:09] and this film we start off in Brazil. This is phase one, this is second installment, so this is the second MCU film overall it was directed by Lewis Lateria who directed the first two transporter movies and the clash of the Titans movie.

[00:21:25] He was interested in original interesting directing Iron Man but was off of the Hulk when John Favreau took that project. That's a bit of a bummer for Lewis. The screenplay was by Zach Penn who co-wrote X-Men II, X-Men Last Stand,

[00:21:42] Electra, he also wrote The Story for the Avengers which Josh we'd turn into screenplay. So the cast, pretty tight cast, Edward Norton is as Bruce Banner, live Tyler Timothy Roth, Roth as Emile Blonsky. We have heard as General of that is Thunderbolt Ross,

[00:21:57] Tim Blake Nelson as Samuel Stern's Mr. Blue and Robert D'Angeneer appears at the very end as Tony Stark. Just from a casting perspective, Eric Banner was originally asked to reprise his role of Bruce Banner but turned it down.

[00:22:11] Matthew McConney audition but it was turned down for the role. David Dukubney, Jeff Goldblum and Liv Schreiber were also considered. Mark Ruffalo actually was the director's first choice but Marvel wanted Norton because he was more famous and Norton was also Lou Fragnose choice

[00:22:29] because Norton reminded him of the late Bill Bixby who played David Bruce Banner on the Hote TV show. So, wait a listen to Lou Fragnose. The time of the movie, one hour of 52 minutes, it is tied with Thor Dark World as he shortest MC movie ball time.

[00:22:46] Financials real quick. Budget 138 million opening weekend, 55 million domestic rose, 135 million worldwide gross, 266 million. It ranks as the least profitable MC movie of all time. Why did it do so poorly? A few different factors, one, it was released.

[00:23:08] You know, for folks that didn't know I certainly know that the time it was released after the Hote, the original Hote was terrible, even worse in this film. And there was a lot of heavy box office competition.

[00:23:19] You had Iron Man, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. A Kung Fu Panda incredible Hulk. Those all come out right for the incredible Hulk. Then, you know, one week later it gets smart, which is not a great film made a lot of money.

[00:23:33] Then, while he then hang cocked in Dark Knight. And by that point time was just washed over. Like the movies behind it was just crushed it. Absolutely. Yeah. And the other thing was the reaction was just okay.

[00:23:45] It wasn't terrible but wasn't strong enough to drive the real word of mouth. And because we were really early in the MCU, there was not this element of like, oh, you have to see it because it's going to connect to something else.

[00:23:56] And so for those reasons, it's gotten, it's actually over time. I think that it's gotten a slightly better on reviewing. The general content to the time wasn't a must see movie, but it's people start, Marl-Fanza started to warm to it a little bit.

[00:24:10] Real quick, Rotten Tomatoes, critics was 67% on it, 69%. And just to touch base on the comics before we get into the movie, that the Hulk was originally created by writer Stanley and Jack Kirby. First appeared debut issue of the incredible Hulk number one in May 1962.

[00:24:26] As we discussed in our intro show, DC and other comic books depicted, DC and other comic books often depicted their hares as perfect. An athletic, an handsome and all that. The Hulk and other Marvel characters broke convention with those archetypes.

[00:24:41] So in this case, the Hulk looks like a monster. And, you know, Lee sights influence from Frankenstein and Dr. Jacqueline Mr. Hyde. When he said that there's Frankenstein, I've always had a soft spot for the Frankenstein monster.

[00:24:54] No one can ever commit to he was the bad guy. He never wondered, heard anyone. And then he also wondered, bar of Dr. Jacqueline Mr. Hyde is this protagonist who changes identity back and forth. And so that was the real, the real drive for the Hulk.

[00:25:11] As I said, alternate casting and we're just later replaced by Mark Ruffalo. The things didn't go as well. Marvel ended up going with Mark Ruffalo after the fact. We'll talk about a little bit about Norton at the onset drama. But when we get to the after show.

[00:25:31] That makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah. And for those of you who don't listen to our secret show, imagine that that drama will come back up when we get to marbles the Avengers. Because that's where that replacement actually happens.

[00:25:49] Yeah, and it's funny listening to the listening to the list of alternate casting. I don't think that'll ever get old on this show. Like thinking about who could have played these heroes instead is hilarious.

[00:26:05] I'm just imagining. All right, all right, all right, you won't like me when I'm angry. I'm sorry to death of Connie join the podcast. Oh, yeah, oh, you just left. He just left. Yeah. So it is an interesting, it isn't, it is an interesting.

[00:26:24] I had thought about it segment. It's interesting like what if character casting, right? Yeah, yeah, there's, there were some interesting names in there. Also, the idea of it's also interesting to me that most of those names.

[00:26:41] I mean, and where we are with the MCU today is everybody's been in the MCU. So I guess this isn't that interesting. But thinking about the fact that I think about 90% of the names that you listed as like alternate people have some tie-in with marble.

[00:27:00] Whether it's like leave Shriver doing his being over on the X-Men universe as Sabre Tooth or, you know, Jeff Goldblum as the head of the movie that we haven't watched yet. But yeah, so that being said, David, do you remember and I'm, you know what?

[00:27:28] I'm actually going to go first on this question because a mind is a short answer. Do you remember because I do not what your first time watching this movie was like? I do not.

[00:27:39] I think in fact, I think I probably felt in the category of folks who didn't like the first Hulk movie. I, but I do remember seeing them up because I loved the TV show.

[00:27:53] I grew up watching it at the time in the 70s like that's the best you're going to get. So, you know, I was actually more excited to see Lou Fragno than Stanley at the time. How about you? Do you remember when you first watched it?

[00:28:09] I don't the best guess I have is I think I think I watched it in my college dorm. I did not watch it in theaters. I know that for sure.

[00:28:22] I'm pretty sure my buddy was like, do check out this movie that I have on a thumb drive for no explicit reason. And we watched it. But yeah. So you kind of touched on this a little bit. What was your connection with the Hulk?

[00:28:41] You know, before watching this before this movie came out. So I, so I used to, one of my favorite comic books was The Avengers and the Hulk was in The Avengers at the time. I, a, kind of a secondary not, not one of my favorite characters.

[00:28:58] I read some of the Hulk books, depending upon who the artist drawing him was. But never got into like the later Hulk stuff, the Red Hulk and so forth if you would. But appreciated the character at the time and what the, what the character kind of represented.

[00:29:19] Because you think about it, as we talked about before, Marvel represented these superheroes in the real world.

[00:29:25] And the Hulk was created during the Cold War and often kind of viewed as a reaction to war and, you know, in culture fairs and radiation nuclear science hall at stuff which state. I think they for this film, they actually do a decent job of time together. Yeah.

[00:29:42] How about you? I, so as we talked about during Iron Man, I love technology like. So characters like Iron Man or my ideal characters like Hulk that are just pure physicality. At least the Hulk side of him right never really captured my attention.

[00:30:05] And so I didn't get to know Hulk outside of like Avengers comics. That much I would only, I'd see him in the Avengers or whatever because I like to do Avengers but really didn't. Really didn't pick up on him anywhere else other than that.

[00:30:28] So yeah, just just not a strong tide of Hulk prior to this movie so that being said. Now that we've rewatched it and a little bit of behind the scenes magic. We don't watch these movies one time in the month. David and I were both commiserating pre-show.

[00:30:49] We watched this movie three times each at least, which I will say that's more than I've watched this movie before this podcast. So same. So yeah, David what, what was your thought? Let's go and into the rewatch. So I think I had a certain amount of dread.

[00:31:12] Mostly because it has such a bad reputation. On first rewatch, I was pleasantly like, okay that's not as bad as I recall. It's not as, you know, people make it out to be like it's a lecture or something. It's not that bad.

[00:31:29] I think by the third rewatch that it had broken me and I could, I was, I was, was done. They're just certain scenes in the movie. And I say this when we talk about the Marvel movies, there's some that are rich, none for just having fantastic rewatchability.

[00:31:44] And if it's on TV or if you just have a particular movie, you pop it on and it is great. And this is not one of those movies. I don't know that I want to watch it again. I think I'm good. How about you on your rewatch?

[00:31:57] Would you were expecting going in and that's fair. That's fair. This one was fun. I wanted to, I really did want to watch it. I, I, so in 2018, I watched. I set out a goal for myself to watch 300 movies in that year.

[00:32:14] And it's actually funny the day before I did my first rewatch of incredible Hulk. I got the memory on Facebook that I had rewatched this three years prior. And so I was too funny.

[00:32:27] So I was looking forward to kind of revisiting it in the light of a new day. So to speak. And so I, I think I agree like it,

[00:32:37] it's a very simple movie and we'll talk about this a little bit more in the after like after we break it all down. But it's a, it's a very simple movie. So it rewards that kind of, um,

[00:32:49] first watch it's you know, there, there's some really good things about it. Um, but trying to watch it critically, uh, gets rough. And we'll agree with you there. So I will also say, um, my wife, this was her first time ever seeing this movie.

[00:33:07] And so I ask her after like after words, I was like, so, uh, what'd you think? She's like, I watched it. That was about her full review. So, uh, well yeah, in the after show, we will, we'll get into more a little bit more about some of the,

[00:33:27] you know, mistakes behind and not the mistakes. But just some of the, the drama, some and kind of play a little like what if like what could it be done to kind of improve the film? So for sure. All right. So let's jump into the actual breakdown.

[00:33:43] Um, so as a reminder, um, I'm gonna throw this disclaimer in the first few episodes here just to remind everybody. Um, we will not go and read the script. We're gonna try and kind of give you broad strokes.

[00:33:56] We might get a little bit in the leads here and there, but we are trying to give you broad strokes. We are trying to keep our time under two hours. Uh, so if you liked the Iron Man 2 hour breakdown, I'm sorry,

[00:34:10] we're gonna try and keep it to less than that in a moment. But, um, jumping right in here. Uh, So we start with the opening credits. Um, we, we see the classic, uh, flipping of the comic book pages. Um,

[00:34:27] and then we see kind of a very quick flash origin story of the Hulk. Uh, we see Bruce Banner and Betsy Ross working on a project at Culver University. Um, with, uh, and in these flashes, we see General Thaddy's Thunderbolt Ross, who's kind of watching it.

[00:34:49] We see that it, the experiment fails. And we see Vanrotrans into the Hulk. Destroy his lab. Uh, heard it like in his destruction hurting, uh, oh, uh, the General And Betsy, um, we do see Bruce kind of bedside next to Betty at the hospital. Uh, uh, um. back.

[00:35:14] Hook and Uh, وال, Jon Chiwiss and? Um, runs away And ultimately, we see him leave. And we see no sighting for five months. There's a lot of references in this introduction. So I guess first and foremost, let me say this, which kind of this totally an off-joke.

[00:35:43] But it plays into Louis Lateria. If that's how you pronounce it or Louis, I'm not sure how he pronounces it. But so I am a huge fast in the furious fan. And so to hear the universal fanfare and not here,

[00:36:07] immediately followed up by the first song in the fast of the furious is really weird for me. And the reason why I say that plays into Louis Lateria is he is actually his next project is the final fast in the furious movie, Fast X,

[00:36:23] which comes out later this year. Interesting. I'm not sure if it's Louis or Louis, but you're going to pronounce it Louis. And I'm going to pronounce it Louis and one of us will be correct. Perfume. Yeah, the thing would struck, I enjoy the opening comic book flip scene.

[00:36:43] There was a reference to Stark Industries in Nick Fury. I think you had a couple other ones as well. I was again kind of jarred by the universal pictures and Marvel entertainment present credit, which points to the joint distribution agreement.

[00:36:58] That always caught me as like jarring each time I see it. What else did you notice in the opening comic book flip screens? Yeah, so like you mentioned, there's references to shield, Nick Fury, and Stark Industries kind of selling stuff to shield at this point.

[00:37:15] You see some requisition orders and whatnot. When at one point, it does scroll down past known associates. And you get one quick, very quick reference to Doc Samson who will talk about a little bit later because he will actually come back in a couple of scenes.

[00:37:36] But the one that doesn't come back, which I think we should talk about now is Rick Jones. So you see a known associate of Richard Rick Jones. So Rick Jones is actually from the comic books series. He is kind of the best friend to all the superheroes really.

[00:37:56] He's friends with Captain Marvel, he's friends with Marvel, he's friends with Bruce Banner. And in the original origin story and we'll talk about how this differs from the origin story that we see here, we see play out here. Bruce is actually creating a gamma bomb.

[00:38:17] So instead of an atomic bomb he's trying to create a gamma bomb. And Rick Jones finds his way out onto the test range during a test and actually saving Rick Jones is what causes Bruce Banner to go get exposed to all the gamma radiation

[00:38:41] turning him into the Hulk, so on and so forth. That origin story wasn't here but it was still cool to see a reference. What did you think about the origin story over the credits? So I think it was good if they hadn't read done essentially an origin story

[00:39:03] for the first 30 minutes of this movie. I think like it was good to kind of give us that and they also were able to use some mirroring over the 70s TV show intro, it was cool to give it that way

[00:39:21] but I would have liked to have seen us maybe skip Brazil if we had done that way because essentially we got what felt to me like two origin stories. I guess one maybe is the origin story, I guess thinking about it now

[00:39:38] and I hadn't thought about it until literally this exact moment. I guess the opening credit origin story is kind of the origin story of the Hulk and Brazil and that time in Brazil is kind of the origin story of Bruce Banner as he is today.

[00:39:58] I didn't even think of that. Yeah, so it actually makes more sense to have two origin stories because they're kind of two characters. Yeah, I actually, I'm not going to lie. I actually liked the really quick quick and dirty origin story.

[00:40:13] You know, the it does differ from the comic books and it was honestly like one of my favorite scenes of the movie, I don't know why, just it was like, I don't like it we talked about if I don't like it when a comic book movie retails

[00:40:29] the origin story over and over and over again. I got it, your Popeye Spider Spider man. I got it, you killed the parents Batman, I get it, right? You're from another world superman, I got it. So I actually appreciated and kind of jumping into the action

[00:40:43] and I think one of the main differences between this film and the 2003 Hulk film which we'll kind of get into is like this one, they want to have much more action to it, I think. Again, action equals box office, box office dollars equals

[00:40:57] production, you know, profits from our ball nuts. I think that's what they were kind of going for with this one. Yeah, that's fair. So from there we see that it's been 158 days without an incident which is approximately five months. Burn it, banner is living in Brazil,

[00:41:18] working at a bottling factory or Pingo Dolce, which is a Guarana drink which side know I love the flavor of Guarana. I'm literally drinking a rock star which is that flavor here as we record. So I do love that flavor but he's also spending his time

[00:41:42] learning his relaxation techniques from kind of some gurus. He, one day he's at work, he's asked to assist with kind of fixing a component of the bottling line. During that he cuts his finger and we see the blood drop into a bottle.

[00:42:07] We also, which will come back in the next scene here. We also see him working through kind of a rudimentary internet chat with Dr. Blue or with Mr. Blue. He refers to himself as, so Bruce Banner refers to himself as Mr. Green, he's communicating

[00:42:30] with Mr. Blue trying to figure out a cure for his, for his gamma poisoning. He tries a cure, it fails and Mr. Blue basically says, hey, I either need you to come here or I need blood. Bruce decides that sending blood is the safer option there.

[00:42:56] So yeah, and actually in this scene, he's trying to learn Portuguese during all this. He's trying to learn Portuguese and he is flipping through TV and we actually get our first, our first, Hulk Camille. So as he's flipping through TV, he stops on the courtship

[00:43:21] of Eddie's father, which features none other than Bill Bixby who was David Banner from the 70s TV show. Yep, it was a nice little nod. We'll see a couple other times later in the moving, not to the TV show. I liked, I don't.

[00:43:47] One thing I didn't understand is if you're going to go for like a really relaxing calm job, I don't know the working in a bottle of men. In fact, I like a bottle of stuff. I don't know that's quite my jam, you know? Yeah.

[00:43:57] Can you just work at a yoga studio? I don't know. The other thing, I did like him when you start talking, when you talk about like the him learning Portuguese and Portuguese I understand even if you can speak Spanish very well as his much differentness,

[00:44:11] very difficult to kind of learn. I love the, you wouldn't like me one of hungry lines. I don't want to make favorites. Yeah, yeah, he has to confront a jerk. And he's like, you won't let, or he's like me, me hungry bad.

[00:44:31] You won't like me when I'm hungry and it's pretty great. It's great. It's great. The other thing I point out is the two things. One, the person teaching the breathing techniques of famous jujitsu, a racing gracy. The other thing when we've talked about it

[00:44:53] before we'll talk about it as we go throughout, the technology looks really dated the screens, the laptops, the phone. It's a little jarring. And so it definitely, I can't catch myself every single time like, oh man, this is not like good. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting.

[00:45:20] Because the technology actually looks more out of date in this than it did in Iron Man, even in civilian areas of Iron Man. Right, you know, you know Iron Man and people at Stark Industries are gonna have higher tech things that are tech companies.

[00:45:34] But it definitely like skipped five, six years, which is just kind of weird. So after this, we see Ross has been advised of the potential gamma poisoning. In an cutscene, we see an elderly man and Milwaukee drinking a tainted soda and then collapsing.

[00:45:54] So Ross somehow uses the bottle track down banner and Ross sends a special forces team led by Emil Blonsky to capture banner. Ross informs in their target is a scientist who stole military secrets and they will definitely be a fighter if cornered

[00:46:09] as they fly down to Brazil, Bruce gets a matter from blue saying that may have a cure but he needs more data. The exposure levels, gamma concentration, cell saturation. That night, Bruce is sleeping when Rick start when Rick his dog starts barking

[00:46:23] at the commandous route side of the apartment. They scan the room, blow off the door, fire tranquilizers, so what they thought was a sleeping banner who'd fled the apartment. So, you know, this scene again, the sets up what we'll see is the constant theme

[00:46:40] of the military chasing down banner, the thing which I saw on rewatch was, which I noticed was, wow, Ross is kind of a jerk. Like didn't even give him a heads up that banner was the Hulk. It sounded like a very simple project.

[00:46:58] You might, for me, I'd like a little bit more information for going in. Yeah. We have the camp, you know, the obligatory Stanley came out as the Manima Waki who gets sick. I think this might be the earliest that we've seen Stanley. It was 13 minutes into the movie,

[00:47:20] which I, well, it's earlier than we saw in Iron Man for sure. And I think it's probably one of the earliest in the whole MCU. Yep. Yep. We see, you know, we see, we further see the Chase and Sue's banner crashes

[00:47:38] into the bullies we see from the factory earlier on in the movie. They also joined it on Chase as they followed Bruce in the factory. You know, the game catches up with Bruce before the commandos do start beating him up. You know, he begs them to stop.

[00:47:54] You know, he says in his broken Portuguese, stop, please me, angry, angry, very bad. He transforms into the Hulk, big C.J. fight scene in Sue's. The Hulk defeats easily defeats Bloncky's entire team with Bloncky surviving in the Hulk heading for the jungle.

[00:48:11] Our isolated roster made sure going through Banners a part of it along with Bloncky who demands an explanation. And then Ross just says, hey, you did a good job. And informs his men that they need to pack up since they're living town.

[00:48:25] If I'm Bloncky at that moment, I think I'm out. Yeah, I think I'm done. I'm not sure what his motivation is for this point out of the movie other than he signed a contract to appear for the entire film. But I would be completely out.

[00:48:43] Yeah, I feel like putting myself in Bloncky's shoes, the only thing I can see driving him to stay in the fight is like, oh, I want that. And like, you know, we'll talk about a little later where he ends up getting it.

[00:48:59] But I think he's kind of in it, kind of out of the novelty and curiosity of it all at this point as well as the like, that's really cool. I want to do that. Love it all. I'll also say this fight is the best in the movie.

[00:49:22] This fight is hands down the best. You see the least of the whole, the actual monster, right? You only see scant scenes of him kind of moving around in the darkness. I'm guessing that's for two, you know, there's dramatic effect there.

[00:49:38] There's also the fact that you only had to render his, you only had to render his face for four seconds. I clocked it. You only see Hulk's face for all four seconds during this fight, which I'm sure saved on CGI budget. But really cool fight through the,

[00:49:59] through the Gorana drink factory. And I really enjoyed that fight. I think like I say, definitely the best one and definitely the best looking to like the rendering at nighttime, I know from a technical standpoint, darker rendering is easier. But it looked good and it was,

[00:50:23] it was actually a really compelling fight. Yeah, the, the CGI I think I would not recommend that people go back and watch the 2003 Hulk, but if you are, you know, glutton for punishment, I would say that the CGI between the two is markedly different.

[00:50:43] And I totally agree the nighttime CGI version of Hulk that we see here later on, looks pretty good, actually. It looks pretty good. I mean, even by the time we seen future films, they've really dialed it and got gotten to do a very good job, but it wasn't,

[00:50:59] you know, you watched some of these early superhero films and, you know, Star Wars and other films and sometimes CGI is distracting. You're like, wow, that does not look good. Yeah. So from there, Ross has let them know that they need to pack up their leave in town.

[00:51:14] The next thing we cut to is Bruce waking up the next day, confused next to a waterfall wearing only his pants. He catches a truck finds out he's actually in Guatemala. The driver agrees to take him to the next town over and then we see Bruce in Mexico,

[00:51:38] walking down the street pretty ragged begging for money to buy some stretchy clothes. Over in Virginia, General Ross is sharing with Juanzquie that there's an Infantry Weapons Development Program, which was aimed at basically recreating Captain America for America. And he does mention Super Soldier by name during this

[00:52:07] conversation. He talks about how Bruce didn't know that that's what he was doing. Bruce thought he was making radiation resistance and had developed a promising serum. Blonsquie kind of lets Ross know like, hey, I want to be a super soldier, right?

[00:52:30] I wanna be injected with that in so many words. And Ross kind of vaguely promises that he could probably set something up. So this one was really interesting because what this actually did. So establishing that this was why Bruce became the Hulk

[00:52:50] was he tested his radiation, production on himself and that he was kind of being tricked into weapons development. This actually moves the origin from original Hulk, Gamma Bomb, Origin moves it over to ultimate comics. So the ultimate comics were a series of comics in the late 90s.

[00:53:15] I think we talked about it a little bit in Iron Man but where they kind of rewrote some origins and that moved the origin over to that. It also aligned it with the 70s TV show, the 70s TV show used a similar dish origin for the Hulk.

[00:53:32] So kind of cool to see that. And then also as another reference to the 70s TV show when Hulk or when Bruce is walking down the street in Mexico with only his pants on, looking all ragged. The tune that's playing in the background is actually the lonely man,

[00:53:55] which is the intro to the 70s TV show. What did you think about the travel distance issue? So the thing I first noticed, like, wow, it's a lot of Hulk jumps to get from Brazil to Guatemala. Yeah, so I did the math.

[00:54:18] If he was in Rio, which feels like that's where he was. And I just picked a random place on the Guatemala and border that was pretty like the closest place I could pick. It would have been, he would have had to travel

[00:54:35] about 170 miles an hour for that whole 24 hours to get there. They said he was in Puerto Verde, which the only Puerto Verde I could find in Brazil does not look like where he was, but sure let's use it. So I used that.

[00:54:56] That calculates out to about 150 miles per hour, which at first glance I'm like, that's ridiculous. There's no way he could travel that fast for all 24 hours. But then I got to thinking about it. I was like, what is established? And so I did some research actually

[00:55:18] and I looked into what is establishes how fast Hulk can move. Unfortunately, thank you comic books. It is widely variable. And the number I landed on was a max speed of 67 miles an hour. Oh wait no, sorry that's the incredible Hulk ride at Universal.

[00:55:43] No, so he can travel anywhere from faster than light to hypersonic. So at first glance, I was like, that's a mistake. They're like, why did they put him in Guatemala? That's way too far. But then when you look at his comic origins, he has supersonic speed.

[00:56:03] Sonic is at about 720 miles an hour. I guess, I guess you can accept that that's Hulk speed. I want to listen to understand that this was actually one of the more interesting things to think about of the movie.

[00:56:23] How does he get from point A to point B so quickly? Yeah. Just a little sneak preview. The rest of this movie is not great. Yeah, I will say we're getting close to the peak of interest because this movie is it's a lot of action.

[00:56:39] You hit it on the head a couple scenes ago. This movie is a lot of action. They were trying to be the box office. That was what they were doing. And they did it well. There's there is a lot of action. But that means that our interesting research

[00:56:55] were the nuggets are going to fall off here in a couple of scenes. I will say this, the scene between Ross and Blonsky, where they're talking about the enhancement that took place in what we're two and Blonsky that mentioned to super soldier program,

[00:57:16] I thought when you asked the question earlier, does this feel like Marbo, this piece did. This scene was probably the most interesting scene and the most future-looking scene that we will obviously won't get in here but we will on the after show

[00:57:31] about what we'll see in the future for future characters and movies. So I thought that part was pretty interesting. For sure. For sure. Yeah, it's definitely, I would agree. This is probably the most interesting part if they were to make a legends of the whole,

[00:57:48] I'm sure that this would be like the one scene from this movie that they would pull forward. So from this scene, we see that Banner decides he's got to get to Culver University to get the data from his old lab.

[00:58:08] He first is deterred by security guard who's checking IDs. He walks outside. He gets the hair-brained idea to go check on his ex lover. So he goes and checks on his ex lover. He sees that she's being joined for lunch by her new boyfriend, Leonard Samson,

[00:58:32] which we'll talk about him a little bit here in a second. But Banner visits an old friend, Stanley, who offers him a place to stay in a job delivering pizzas. He has to bribe the security guard to get in to the old science lab who looks suspiciously familiar.

[00:58:56] And he, after getting into the science lab, he finds that all of his data is gone. I want to pause right there for a second. I want to pause right there. So he gets to the computer lab. He's been gone five years.

[00:59:16] And he just happens, you know, this old five-year-old password, I'm sure it hasn't been up to him. I'm sure it did. Like, what kind of security is going on here? Yeah, yeah, definitely, I'm sure if there's anybody from with a cybersecurity background listening,

[00:59:34] I would be remiss to note that their email, or their password retention policies at Culver University are a problem. I would have preferred it, again, this is so minor. But if she had just, if she had a habit of writing her password

[00:59:50] on a sticky note and put it under her keyboard and he knew it and it was like this cute little like, oh, that's where she always has it. But no, you just guess it first guess. And it's also coming from like a university.

[01:00:03] So I did a lot of computer classes and spent a lot of time in computer labs in the university. It's not uncommon for them to just be unlocked. Like, there behind locked doors, there behind security guards, in theory, it's secure at that point.

[01:00:21] So especially this era, that wouldn't have been uncommon for it just to be sitting there unlocked. Fairpoint. So after he gets in there, he bursts, heads back to the restaurant. He sees Betty, Betty sees him. But they don't really see each other.

[01:00:45] It's kind of a mist in the mist moment there. Betty follows him. They reignite under a bridge. He finds out she still has the data. And he is offered some money to get to New York so that he can meet with Dr. Blue, our Mr. Blue rather.

[01:01:14] Ross does also in this group of scenes we also see Ross accessing a cold storage unit to grab a vile of the weapons plus serum, made by Dr. Rindstein and frozen with stark industries, cryo something, cryo. Cryo sink, thank you. And we give Blonsky some of the serum.

[01:01:45] So in this set of scenes, we get to see a couple of, or we get to see two really big cameos. So short of Eric Banna, we have after these scenes, we have seen all of our Bruce Banners so far.

[01:02:03] So are all of our hoax so far, I guess you could say. So the owner of the Petaria, the owner of Stanley's Petaria, which I have to imagine Stanley's was chosen because Stanley, but he is played by Paul Souls,

[01:02:21] who is the voice of the Hulk in the 70's TV show. I didn't know that, interesting. Yeah, and then additional to that, another tie into the 70's TV show that security guard who was bribed with pizza from Stanley's is none other than Lou Ferrigno,

[01:02:42] who I think if you were to ask anyone who the Hulk was like, I guess I should say pre-aventures. If you were to ask anyone who the Hulk was, I think Lou Ferrigno would be the number one name on anybody's mind. Oh, without question, without question.

[01:03:00] The, the, we see Lou Ferrigno as cameo as a security guard. He is also has a cameo in the 2003 film, Hulk film as a security guard. I think that he and Stanley are the only people that have been in both movies.

[01:03:23] I worry a little bit that Lou Ferrigno might be typecast in the MCU to play a name security guard forever, but I was happy to see him. I love Lou Ferrigno in the Hulk as a kid. You are correct that the reference to the owner of the pizza

[01:03:41] or the of the 10 restaurant, his name is Stanley Leiber, which is Stanley's real name. And that's where, and that is where the little, other little nod came from. Yeah, and the Lou Ferrigno will come back one more time in the MCU not his face though.

[01:04:00] So I'm gonna leave that little nugget for us here. His voice will come back. And in fact, you all have heard his voice at least twice if you listen to our show. Wait, is he in the podcast with us? Yeah, no.

[01:04:22] Nope, I don't hear a knock at the door. I thought that was him. I can't even begin to do. They're a bunch of bad acts and I cannot do a good Lou Ferrigno. But I don't know. No. After this scene,

[01:04:36] we see Bruce and Betty walking to the bus stop. They're cutting through the college campus when Bruce is attacked a second time by the military. So banner again, past fest at heart, fleece into the library where he swallows the thumb drive,

[01:04:54] which has the data that was from the computers that Betty gave him. Banner again transforms into the Hulk, fights the troops. Ross's forces lose again and they retreat, however, Blonsky, fill in it, attack the Hulk. We see that the serum that he was given by Blonsky

[01:05:12] enhanced his speed and the strength and agility. The Hulk severely injures Blonsky when he kicks him into a tree and flees with Betty. So CGI, as you said, this is the second big fight scene. I would probably put this as the number two fight scene in the movie.

[01:05:31] And like I said, it's gonna go down here from here, I think you will. I start with a lot with this scene. The just, the, you've got the chase scene where Betty is basically running as fast. The humvies, very many knocks out one of the,

[01:05:48] one of the military people, the sound cannons don't make any sense to me whatsoever. I just, I struggle with this scene quite a bit. Yeah, the sound cannons are funny because that's a real technology like Sonic cannons is a real life technology but not in the sense

[01:06:07] that they used it here. It's not, it's not turning sound into a physical thing that blocks people. It's literally just using sound more in the sense that, oh, but I was staying, we saw a bit of a stain use it in Iron Man where kind of stuns people

[01:06:24] that we have that, but not like this. And so I don't know why sound would be more powerful than a 50 caliber bullet. So I think the other thing that stood out to me during this fight was my god, live Tyler is a terrible actor. What?

[01:06:46] The scene where she's standing in front of the APC and like it's trying to yell at her dad and she's like, and the first couple of lines she has there are okay, but then it, she just yells, yeah, and it's, it is so terribly done

[01:07:05] and I'm just like, my god. I mean, I know I love Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings was a great movie. I love Armageddon. Armageddon was a great terrible movie but why does Live Tyler keep getting work? You mean MTV Movie Award nominee, Live Tyler

[01:07:25] so watch her mouth out. Yeah, she's not great. We should make a note that for Future Show, we will do a non-comprehensive rating of actors and actresses who appear in the MCU. Just, you know, they're early on. I mean, Edward Norton is a really good actor.

[01:07:44] That's a really big poll, right? Yeah, Live Tyler is technically an actress. Not as big a poll, so she might be a little bit lower down the list. She might be the incredible Hulk of the MCU actresses. Ha ha. Oh, man. I address.

[01:08:04] But yeah, I don't think the CGI wasn't terrible in the scene there is one terrible scene way later on in the movie but I don't think it was terrible here. I do think the weird like transition to almost night time with the thunder storm

[01:08:24] that suddenly rolls in just to make it dark. We heard. It was so weird. Like it's like they're fighting. It looks like it's probably like they were going to, if I remember correctly, they were going to go to the bus stop in the morning time.

[01:08:40] And so either they walked 12 miles to the bus stop or it was probably morning time midday at the latest. And then all of a sudden it is pitch black outside. Now, now, to be fair, I have lived, I used to live in the Washington DC area

[01:08:56] and there are times when a storm will roll in and it will be daytime, sunny and clouds roll in and it gets very dark and very rainy very quickly. I've seen that but this is legit nighttime which is to me was distracting. Yeah, for sure.

[01:09:14] For sure, it's almost like they cut like storm or like thore out of this movie. Like they were supposed to be here. They were bringing in the heavy clouds to make it darker. It's too funny. The one thing I went out, there was a nice to see.

[01:09:34] The scene where one of the students from Culver is capturing footage of banner S.E. transforms and fights the military and is later interviewed and gives him the name, The Hulk. And that's where you get that's where they're first used the word The Hulk.

[01:09:48] This movie does a good job of saying the name in it. Yes. Because we'll talk about the abomination here later on. So later we see the military taking everything Betty owned out of her house, Ross thinks Samson who tipped off the military about banner.

[01:10:03] Samson calls Ross the bigger threat since the Hulk actually predicted Betty while Ross and Dangerner. Betty wakes up in a cave in the great Smokey Mountains National Park North Carolina along with Hulk. Betty calms down the Hulk and they fall asleep

[01:10:19] and after the Hulk of her it's the banner, he and Betty go on the run. Again, and as you mentioned before, nighttime that Hulk looks really, really good. Yeah. Meanwhile we see we visit Blonsky in the hospital after you broke almost every boner is body

[01:10:34] when it clipe with the tree. We see that the serum is giving them super healing powers. But later we see this serum is also being a deformous skeleton in a pair of judgment. Bruce emails Mr. Blue who tells them that he's meeting New York City.

[01:10:48] However, unfortunately, the aliases Mr. Green and Mr. Blue have been added to the shield operations database which intercepts the email messages and alerts the military. We learn later on that Mr. Blue turns out is cellular biologist Samuel Sterns, they visit asked.

[01:11:05] They visit Sterns who tells banner he's developed a possible antidote to banner's condition. Stern tests the antidote after banner and she's full reaction in turns into the Hulk too much could kill Bruce and two little could be dangerous for Sterns. The test is successful.

[01:11:20] But Sterns warns Band that the antidote may only reverse each transformation and may not cure him entirely. Blonsky has recovered and joins Ross's forces for a third time to take banner into custody. Blonsky board the chopter and Ross asks

[01:11:36] how he feels and he says quote, like a monster. Lots going on here. We see the suspension, just believe, the suspension, just believe the part that again is a tough look for me is the use of the, you know, he's cautioned that they can't have anything

[01:11:57] with them and they're using a public computer to send messages. And then it looks like the shield database intercepts every email which has the word green or blue in it and I just don't know how that's feasible.

[01:12:14] I don't know how that, I don't know how you're going to distill all that and then be able to track down this person. So, but again, the building towards the plot we're seeing, you know, we're seeing them build towards this crescent.

[01:12:26] We're going to have another, you have another fight between Blonsky and the Hulk. What were your thoughts in these scenes? Yeah, I thought these scenes. I think they were interesting. They're so there's a scene where we get to see a news report about the attack

[01:12:45] on Culver and we actually get a couple of cameos in there. So, the student you referred to earlier who coined the term Hulk is actually Jack McGee, who is a quote unquote reporter, aka Kid with Cellphone, but Jack McGee in the 70s show was a reporter

[01:13:08] from the National Register and frequently kind of the, I guess, antagonist, if you will, of that show. In addition, the other, another Culver student interviewed at the same time who actually, now that I say this, he might have been the one to say Hulk was Jim Wilson,

[01:13:30] very minor comic book character, but he was used particularly in the early 90s in the comic books to discuss the AIDS epidemic. So, he had a run where he wanted to use some of Bruce Banner's blood to kind of,

[01:13:50] he had AIDS HIV AIDS and he was trying to use Bruce Banner's blood to cure himself with that. Not many appearances I think he's, he's in a total of like, I want to say

[01:14:05] less than 10 issues across all of his appearances, but kind of cool that they pulled that. Other than that, we also saw, and I know you picked up on this, the, the traditional comic book

[01:14:23] garb of one, the Hulk which is his, his purple pants. The reason our logo as a podcast is green and purple, he sees his purple pants, Betty brings him some purple pants at some point.

[01:14:44] And then I did mention here so, so when they're in New York and Bruce and Betty are trying to get through New York, they decide to take a cab instead of the subway, obviously hilarity ensues,

[01:14:58] you know, a really rough cab ride with with a stereotypical, really rough New York cab. And I actually think the post cab scenes so after they get out of the cab,

[01:15:11] might be one of the best like little tiny scenes of this entire movie and I know it is the best moment of chemistry between live Tyler and Edward Norton. The rest of the movie, it's really

[01:15:25] hard to get involved in their relationship and feel for their relationship because they just don't have chemistry. But in that one moment, there's the line where Bruce is like, hey I have some

[01:15:38] techniques that can help you deal with your, with your anger after Betty kind of loses it on the cabbie and she goes, you zip it or walking and it was probably live Tyler's best acting moment

[01:15:51] of this whole movie and definitely the best moment of chemistry between those two actors. Because I am a massacist, I actually watched all the deleted scenes for this movie and there were a number of scenes between Banner and Betty which actually had much more chemistry to them.

[01:16:14] Like it is a little bit jarring and I imagine a lot of it just got left on the cutting room floor because I want to focus on the action but she goes from, hey I've got this series boyfriend

[01:16:27] and this dude haven't seen in five years to like this required you know the reunion love relationship and you just don't really feel on the screen. But if you watch the deleted scenes like

[01:16:39] how okay you can actually see there's there's a little bit more chemistry there. Not much but a little bit more and I agree this is probably that was probably the highlight for live for the movie. So then from there, so we've completed the the experiment we see that

[01:16:58] Blonsky's feeling like a monster and Ross and his forces land in New York and go to a tax turns lab to pull Bruce out. Bruce learns during this time that turns has been replicating his blood and injecting it into tests subjects. He is

[01:17:27] fearful that this power is going to land in the wrong hands and eventually as they're in the blood lab Bruce does get tranquilized by a sniper and Blonsky comes in rushing in even though

[01:17:50] Bruce is already knocked down you know this is the moment of kind of the super soldier serum if you will taking over Blonsky and kind of putting that rage into him. As they are leaving

[01:18:09] as their leaving Stearns lab Betty confronts Ross and she says hey don't call me daughter like the no more I'm not your daughter anymore. The major from Ross's unit stays around to interrogate Stearns to find out what he knows.

[01:18:34] Blonsky knocks her out and basically says hey inject me with whatever you have right inject me with Bruce's blood. Stearns has to let him know hey I'm willing to oblige what I need informed consent. With the experiment being a success

[01:19:01] he Blonsky mutates into and this was I guess I skipped over where this was said in the movie but Stearns does say I don't know what's in you already. What that is mixed with this may be

[01:19:19] in a bombination terrible terrible. So we see the abomination show up which is one of the characters that will continue into the MCU by the way so pay attention to this guy he's

[01:19:35] going to be back and we see him attack Stearns. Stearns gets thrown into the racks of equipment and some of Bruce's blood drips into a cut on Stearns' head hinting towards his future which

[01:19:56] us comic book readers we know as the leader which is kind of the intelligent so where the rest of the game of mutation mutations were all strength-based leaders gamemutation is is intelligence based so pretty cool little piece there and if if my guess is correct we're going to

[01:20:26] see the leader coming back in a yet to be released captain America for during Disney D23 last year they brought the actor who played Samuel Stearns back on stage said he's going to be in

[01:20:43] Captain America for I can't imagine they're going to recast him as a different character but pretty excited about that maybe maybe he's the new new cap right yeah yeah he's going to have to

[01:20:55] take the shield from the new Falcon yeah great the so so Blonsky to become a nomination he received a combination of the serum and the gamma radiation is that right okay

[01:21:15] the one quite so you know we talk about you know we're not going to spoil stuff for the future but we don't see his character return again we don't the one you know when you win the up

[01:21:27] on rewatch the one question I had was oh they just they gathered up the lab and they have all this blood and what happens to it what and I don't think anything does I don't I don't think we see it again

[01:21:39] I could be wrong but but I just found that to me just a weird plot hole yeah I I don't think we have would be interested if we do and maybe we do right maybe this you know maybe the plot

[01:21:54] line in Captain America for has to do with it or or something like that but I don't think that we we ever saw that all that replicated blood again and that's that's not something the Marvel

[01:22:10] typically does they typically don't leave a strand like that and then just abandon it so maybe we will see it yeah which I will say like we thought I think as a Marvel fan we thought a lot of this

[01:22:23] ended up getting left partially because this movie kind of is as we mentioned in the intro this movie's weird and it's standing in the MCU and the way that it interacts with the MCU is weird so

[01:22:38] you know there's definitely some weird things you know Betty doesn't come back until I mean I don't think she's even been back she hasn't come back in live action period she came back a little bit animated in the one-if series but yeah Betty hasn't really come back

[01:22:59] um definitely beat for Betty yeah uh this life moves on in the next movie anyway exactly exactly so then we get kind of a big fight scene and as it as is kind of tradition for us

[01:23:15] as a podcast we're gonna kind of breeze over the fight scene so it is a fight scene it's in Harlam it's CGI monster on monster it should be really good we'll talk about if it is or not here in a second

[01:23:28] but um you see that you see a bombination is wreaking havoc on Harlam Bruce is convinced to go down and fight him monster on monster mayhem in zoos ultimately a bombination is locked down by a chain hole the whole spares blond skis life

[01:23:53] because he hears Betty and we get to see a moment of not quite smart Hulk but at least a wear Hulk and then he flees new and then the Hulk flees New York so looking at this scene

[01:24:11] one thing I caught was the the moment where Bruce the moment where Bruce basically becomes a superhero is almost exactly the same as the moment that Tony Stark becomes a superhero

[01:24:29] where he Tony Stark went up he eyestop he fell down he fell through his own roof instead in this Bruce jumps out of a helicopter and is falling falling falling says oh shoo language um and crashes through the street becoming the Hulk my little commentary on that was

[01:24:55] they probably just couldn't afford to do a transformation mid air with the CG budget I will also say the full light I forgot to mention this in the the the trans they're in the experiment part where they were experimenting in turns as lab

[01:25:13] when they do the transformation when it is fully lit up it is horrible looking and so I am kind of glad that they they kept it out here because if they had done it mid air it would have

[01:25:27] looked just terribly bad um I don't think they knew how to animate that so I am glad that it kind of happened under the street um oh go ahead I was going to say I did not like these scenes

[01:25:44] the light scenes were you you'd expect for it to be this big you know climactic battle between these two you know monster beasts and it is just a boring CGI select fast um I I don't know how

[01:26:04] that chain is so strong I I you know when you talk about plot holes Hulk wins and then you just kind of like nudges the abomination towards the military like what do you want us to do with them like

[01:26:18] yeah how are we going to transfer what happens when he wakes up um so for those reasons I just I was over it I did like the cameo of Michael K Williams as Harlem bystander

[01:26:35] even though this was actually shot Toronto but uh Norton who was notorious for rewriting the script wrote a part for whims because he was a big fan of his work on the wire and his cameo is supposed

[01:26:48] to be much longer um he was supposed to have pleaded with the Hulk in abomination to stop their fighting only changes mine it basically tell the Hulk you know what never mind waste this language

[01:26:59] that would have been terrible and so I but it's just weird that he's just in it for like a second it's it was just every time I saw it it was distracting every time that's fair that's fair I will

[01:27:12] also mention and this this should tell you what this fight is like because I was paying this much attention to other things uh the marquee on the Apollo theater um which is featured in the background

[01:27:26] of this fight changes throughout the fight uh what what is actually on the marquee kind of changes throughout the fight which it's like man you couldn't even get that straight um I don't know why

[01:27:39] this fight fell apart I I would love to know like if if the CGI guys walked out before making this fight or what but it should have been this climax and like you said just kind of fell flat

[01:27:53] up so after the fight we see uh about a month on down the road um Betty's still in New York thinking about Bruce apparently leaving her camera uh her digital camera on so that it runs out of

[01:28:07] battery um and then uh meanwhile Bruce is running through British Columbia he gets a package from a North Carolina pawn shop where they had sold Betty's necklace earlier in the movie to get

[01:28:23] the vehicle um this package actually is our last cameo um it is addressed to David B which is a reference to the name change that the 1970s movie did where um where Bruce was not Bruce he was David

[01:28:43] banner and then we see um after Bruce sets up his he he makes out an envelope to send the necklace back to Betty we see him um meditating and he has a little bit of a smirk as his eyes turn green

[01:29:02] so kind of hinting towards the he has control of the Hulk now um like you yeah according to the director Louis uh the final shot is supposed to be like deliberately ambiguous it was meant

[01:29:18] it like you said meant show that he now control the Hulk and and lean towards a Hulk the lean towards the Hulk sequel you're not sure if he's gonna be a good person or a bad person so um

[01:29:31] say I thought that was kind of a that was actually kind of a fun little touch yeah for sure for sure it also could have leaned towards a eventual uh Avengers story had they actually adapted the first

[01:29:48] which they kind of do we'll talk about this when we talk about Avengers um the first Avengers comic um was actually the Hulk was the villain driven crazy by Loki but he was the villain in Avengers

[01:29:59] one um I read a reprint of that it's something in my life interesting yeah um so then if you watch this on uh HBO Max or if you watched this on any home release there is another scene after this

[01:30:16] it probably felt weird and the reason it felt weird is because in theatrical releases this was a post credit scene um and so in our tradition as a podcast we are going to cover the post credit scene

[01:30:31] that's not really a post credit scene but it's sort of a post credit scene uh we are gonna cover that after our outro music we also stick around after the outro music because we will also

[01:30:44] cover the consultant um which was a Marvel one shot so if you've been on Disney plus and you see the Marvel one shots um we're gonna try and cover those with the movie that they kind of best fit with

[01:30:56] and the consultant is specifically about this kind of aftercredits scene which we'll talk about after our outro so stick around after the outro um to to hear that but with that being said David

[01:31:13] what do you think was the main takeaway why was this movie significant or is it significant to the MCU so I think the significance of the movie there's a couple things one it helped them to demonstrate

[01:31:29] to investors and to the you know to the larger market that these super hero movies could be profitable and successful even though this one was considered at the time a little bit of a flop but it was important then it wasn't like a Hulk 2003 flop

[01:31:46] because the rest of the MCU may not have been made just as we talked in the last episode the importance of Iron Man was that they had to have a big successful movie to prove out their

[01:31:57] concept of building this larger you know to justify the Marvel Studios and the MCU. The other thing has I mentioned earlier and we'll get into a little bit more in the after show when we

[01:32:09] talk about Edward Norton and why we've never seen Edward R. back in the MCU again the the process by which there was a lot of rewriting of the script was you know this

[01:32:22] development of who's in charge we see it in the next film as well and that really helped triangulate things and really kind of put Kevin Viking firmly in control of the whole the whole

[01:32:32] creative as if you will and we'll talk about they could probably spend some time on fighting one of the future episodes we kind of do a little bit more of a deep dive on how we got to where he is now

[01:32:42] and and some of the bumps we he's experienced along the road but I think those are the main things it did set up the Hulk is a pretty as a character that we see later on as a as a complementary

[01:32:51] character but but I think it also ruled out the fact that we're never going to see a sandal Hulk movie again I don't think but what how about you what was your main takeaway from the movie

[01:33:04] yeah that's that's fair and I think I think story wise the the biggest takeaway is sort of the development of fatty as Ross and shield as like this kind of meddling government entity right the the without this movie so you know most times I've watched the MCU

[01:33:36] I kind of skip this movie you don't get that meddling you don't get that feeling that that there's something else behind the behind the government like the government isn't kind of causing problems

[01:33:52] for your heroes until you get really to winch or soldier that's that's where you start to get that that feeling that the government is causing problems for for your heroes whereas with this inclusion

[01:34:05] that that tone is set way earlier on which I think is the right tone I think looking at the comics shield has always been a government agency they're going to do what the government's going to

[01:34:16] do right there they're always going to metal and they're going to they're going to cause problems for our heroes and so this movie established to that really really well which I liked I think I agree that from a from a monetary standpoint that's sort of thing it did

[01:34:37] sock it in that we won't get a whole community whole Hulk Hulk is one of those characters that's so hard to do right I think I think his stories are complex his powers are complex you know

[01:34:53] we talked a little bit about his super speed and and even the way he's been portrayed in the comics has changed so much over time it's not it's not really straightforward it's not easy

[01:35:03] I mean heck his color has even changed and actually I watched the same deleted scenes you did and I'm a little sad that this reference got cut out there there's a scene where Blonsky is being debriefed and he's asked what color the character or he's asked what color

[01:35:20] the Hulk was and he goes he's green or gray or greenish gray which was kind of a cool reference to you know old school Hulk was gray gray Hulk was a part of the comic book history so

[01:35:34] kind of cool to see that but yeah I think you know the meta consequences of this of this movie definitely you know it sets a it sets a baseline I you know for for what these movies can

[01:35:51] be like a bottom line I should say they are floor if you will but I think there's probably also if I had to guess and I didn't do any research on this so I want to make sure I name that but

[01:36:06] I'm guessing the studio also did some learning from this movie right? Sure. Because you had the success of Iron Man and then quickly you not a failure but you had not as much

[01:36:17] success out of incredible Hulk so kind of got to experience both quickly which means you know future projects could could flourish better and you would be better able to react to I think it's a really good point. I think that you they that and that's probably actually the

[01:36:38] biggest takeaway which is you you learn from your I don't want to say this this is not a failure but you you learn from your non successes if you will and okay maybe releasing a film five weeks

[01:36:49] after another marvel maybe not the best idea they spent very little time marketing the film they mostly spent the time marketing Iron Man and so now they've they've now they have a different approach in terms of staggering the movies and how they more kind of marketing each one

[01:37:04] I did think it did had a number of elements which built towards future films which I thought was good they you know they figure out some of the casting stuff they figured out you know the creative process if you will

[01:37:16] So they were filling it out and I'm imagining if you were to go back then And you look at the results and you're like okay this movie made you know 268 million I think 268 million dollars that's not a success by current MCU movies but if that's your worst one

[01:37:35] if this is the like your lowest profit one you have a gold mine here right and so if we can iron out and get some structure around you know how we want these films to be related

[01:37:45] and to build towards this larger thing again this is two movies in there's not even there's not even a huge you know long-term vision I don't think of the MCU they're I think they were

[01:37:54] trying to get to through the first phase and then you know like a TV show well let's renew it for season two and season three and season four if it goes really really well I think

[01:38:04] but as we get a little bit closer to like Avengers I think at that point time they had a longer term vision they knew okay this is where we could potentially go down the line but I think for now they're trying

[01:38:15] to like do proof of concept and so far two movies you know first two were relatively well received Huckle a bit less up but they both made a lot of money and they're both successful and people wanted more

[01:38:27] yeah absolutely all right so moving over to our favorite and least favorite scene of the episode I what would your favorite scene Ryan man that's hard you know and I know last time I said it was an embarrassment of riches this time it's it's not

[01:38:50] quite an embarrassment of riches it's it's more just like a flat movie that everything everything was enjoyable and we'll talk about this a little bit or no for all on depression I think

[01:39:00] everything was enjoyable I guess peaks I'll go with the the scab scene right it's a short scene it's silly but I really liked it I think it was one of those moments that actually felt real

[01:39:15] was was the cab scene in New York um I think my least favorite scene was the experiment so when we were experimenting on on banner and one the transformation looks terrible when when we're at when we're in turns as lab or experimenting on banner we're transforming him

[01:39:43] his transformation looks horrible we're CGI of the whole movie and live Tyler jumps up on Hulk's chest to like calm him down her leg passes through his leg happens like in this movie that

[01:40:00] like honestly the CG in this movie was really good and honestly still kind of holds up for the most part that that was the that was just the standout just bad part so how about how about you David

[01:40:19] is it cheating if I say that the opening credits scene where we have the Hulk is that cheating no take it man now uh man I think so I actually actually enjoyed that

[01:40:34] opening I can't really I can't really claim that one um I didn't have a lot of favorite scenes uh I thought that the I thought that the scene between Blonthgan Ross was fairly important

[01:40:51] I and I guess maybe I call that my favorite scene but I didn't love it I also you know the William Hurt character will get into an after show a little bit like I didn't love his portrayal

[01:41:03] kind of things were kind of off me throughout um which leads to the question of and you can only pick one is your least favorite scene my least favorite scene of the film uh and I can only pick one

[01:41:19] I think it's the abomination Hulk fight that's fair I I on this last free watch I just had to skip it it's like there's nothing if I if I were to rewatch it would be to find the little things I

[01:41:30] would focus on the the Marquis and the oh does this restaurant exist in in New York City or this doesn't not necessarily Toronto I'd say that's my least favorite yeah that's fair that's fair

[01:41:43] and I think I think that movie sub or that scene suffers from the promise of what it could have been right it should have been awesome monster on monster action and it just wasn't um so with that being said

[01:41:58] let's move over into our MVP of the of the movie so for you David who is your MVP in this movie I'm gonna say uh I'm gonna say Emil Blonsky I thought he did a pp

[01:42:17] Tim Roth is a pretty good actor he giving a bunch given a bunch of ridiculous dialogue says it all with the straight face you know does a good job playing this kind of detached becoming increasingly detached individual who morphs into this monster at the very end

[01:42:36] I enjoy it you know I've I his fight action scenes I thought were pretty good and he was he was believable you're not the whole time just wondering why this you know just do it this person is doing

[01:42:46] a terrible job he's not Nicholas caging it up at all which will save for this after show but I would say I would say Blonsky how about you? That's fair man that that actually was where

[01:42:59] I was gonna head was Blonsky um but in the in the interest of of making sure that we don't agree um you know what I'm gonna take a a little bit of a weird one here

[01:43:17] I'm actually gonna take Stanley the pizza joint owner okay um I really enjoyed that character and like he was just this he wasn't in it very much but he was he was very much just this like moment of

[01:43:31] levity um it at sometimes in the deleted scenes um you actually get to see more pizza deliveries which kind of added to some fun but I think Stanley he he he was he was he was the mentor without being like

[01:43:53] your prototypical mentor I guess for for Bruce so I definitely enjoyed that that's a that's a really good call there's also deleted scene where Bruce is telling Stanley what has occurred transpired and you know everything it's happened and I think that's only this

[01:44:12] he is the I think mentor was a good way to put it there are only three people to whom he's opened up it's it's Mr. Blue that a and it's Stanley and so I think it's a good call yeah awesome awesome

[01:44:26] um I almost picked one person and mostly so that I could bring back what I mentioned in the intro I forgot to mention Doc Samson um during our tear down and so I I just want to make sure that

[01:44:39] I promise to I give the listeners what I promise them um so Doc Samson who is played by Tyver L in this movie he is Betty's current boyfriend um is actually also a comic book character um he was

[01:44:53] gamma radiated in the comic books and the length of his hair determined his strength all of Samson so also another comic book character um that they pulled and you know not to take us back into

[01:45:08] the tear down but uh you know we talked about a little bit in Iron Man that in these early phases every character name was like somebody from the comics so I really like to that that they maintain

[01:45:22] to that through this so um that little bit out of the way though um as we're doing here with phase one because we don't have a lot to compare it against and I think it goes without saying that both of us

[01:45:33] are going to rank uh the two movies we've listed or if we watch so far uh Iron Man and then Hulk but uh that ranking aside uh compared to ranking aside uh David thinking about the whole MCU as you've

[01:45:48] seen it today do you put this top third middle third bottom third oh bottom tenth I don't think I will say this I I I will say that as we rewatch all these movies I'm going to wager and say that this is not the worst MCU movie

[01:46:10] that's fair you know what I I think that's a that's actually a fair bet um I do think I should say I agree bottom third um and you know something I want to mention real quick here

[01:46:27] I know I speak for myself there isn't a Marvel movie that is a like a bad movie there's there's Marvel movies that are less good than other Marvel movies to me um so like my my sign of a bad movie is something like a Valeria in City of 1000

[01:46:48] planets that's just horrible it's not even funny it's bad it's just bad bad and so you know I don't think Marvel movies fall into that for me anywhere along the whole MCU um but I do think like there are worse Marvel movies than others so I do think

[01:47:12] this one I would agree um you know is it's gonna fall pretty close to the bottom and an overall impression wise um you know the one the one big thing I want to say that this this left me walking away with was this was a universal movie

[01:47:31] 100% you had a lot of upshots a lot of weird like harsh shadows that just reminded me of so many universal movies like um transformers or fast-on-a-furious all those kind of things uh just all over this movie

[01:47:48] yeah it's not yeah to be too beclair as much as I have uh directed the film at different points of it's not a lecturer it's not fantastic for it's not ghost writer it's not it's not that

[01:48:01] level bad at all and there are like there are some actually some you know and as um I think I think you touched upon a little bit I think it's really hard to do a movie like this

[01:48:13] and so Edward Norton I give him again just as I did for um uh Tim Rothfike you know having these ridiculous lines and and pulling them off and creating a his version of Hulk I actually

[01:48:30] I actually kind of like his his banner if you will certainly more so than David Bant Eric Banna and I'm I'm I have to look relook when we look at the Hulk uh with uh Mark Rufflow

[01:48:43] would be interesting to compare like who does a better banner um pros and cons with each but we'll we'll get to it for sure for sure all right y'all well um that does it for our breakdown of the

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[01:57:39] all right David so let's talk about this uh not post credit post credit scene uh so I know you have some feelings about putting it in this slot. I am I have voiced my

[01:57:52] objection via text that this is not a post credit scene in this part of the movie however uh the final scene of we will call it the final scene of the movie and we can put aside our uh

[01:58:05] our long-standing differences over this um so we hear uh we see general loss, Ross drinking um a green drink in a bar keeps saying reload which is awful uh he the bartender keeps refilling his drink door opens in walks rob down a juniorist Tony Stark

[01:58:29] sides up to Ross offering his condolences on fancatcher banner and losing control of Blonsky and he did say he did say warned Ross about the dangers of the super soldier program and it had been put on ice for free reason yeah exactly Ross has an acknowledges Stark

[01:58:49] saying always wears the nicest suits to which Stark's miles and says to Shay I know right uh this should have been my favorite saying what I'm like I answer to early uh Stark says he's heard that Ross had an interesting problem in Ross response by

[01:59:05] saying well you know quote well you know all about that wouldn't you and Stark follows up with what we're putting a little team together thought you might be interested and then Ross says who's

[01:59:17] we in that ends yeah you know it's a short scene it I think that this does tie it you know with the with this in addition to Ross's conversation with Blonsky earlier in the movie ties it into

[01:59:32] the MCU really well and kind of I guess is really our anchor points for this into the universe so kind of surrounding this scene is where the consultant takes place so the Marvel one shot the consultant which I believe was released on the

[01:59:59] E double check myself here I don't want to be something fun uh it was a Marvel one shot is what you can be found on Disney Plus that's a series of short you know three five minute

[02:00:13] direct to you know direct to video not released although they had talked about one point in time showing them in uh pre-credits scenes kind of like Pixar hmm that would make sure that would make sense

[02:00:26] yeah so this one was released in or on the home release of Thor which were a couple episodes away from but it more relates to incredible whole care and so you see Colson in a better fitting suit

[02:00:44] at a diner with Jasper's tidwell and they're talking about how the the world security council wants the abomination to be on the Avengers and they know that they need to fumble that that negotiation

[02:01:00] so they decide that they need to send in the consultant which then we cut over to the cut scene and it's it's Tony Stark is the consultant he does the he does that last scene of the movie as we

[02:01:15] saw here and then he cut back over to the the the the same diner later on and they're they're kind of giving an after action that yeah Tony went in he was full of vibrato they knew that

[02:01:28] that would piss off Ross and they knew that there was no chance that Ross was going to give over the abomination um so kind of a fun little like I say it's only three or four minutes long

[02:01:42] and and kind of a fun way to to really tie this into some characters we've very seen yeah it's just it's just really kind of fun what if moment thinking that like oh maybe Blonsky

[02:01:55] will be in the Avengers which would be wild and so they send in Tony Stark to you know basically you know negotiate and blow up that whole idea and and we don't see Blonsky and for a

[02:02:08] fair long period of time fair enough fair enough well um I think that's I think that does it for us here at puning pods so if you want to check out how this connects forward make sure that

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