Puny Pod | Phase 1 Episode 1 - Iron Man

[00:00:00] Welcome to Puny Pod, the podcast that was built in a cave with a box of scraps! Welcome to Puny Pod, everyone. This is the podcast where we re-watch the MCU in release order and cover all things Marvel.

[00:00:33] I'm Ryan and my co-hosts who always forgets to wear deodorant and dances with his boss is David! How are we doing today, David? Ryan, I am doing great. I am Buckled in. Excited for the podcast. How are you?

[00:00:45] I'm doing fantastic. I am really excited to be here in our first official episode. Those of you who are going back and listening. I apologize for how bad this one probably will be. But those of you who are listening for the first time. Welcome. Welcome.

[00:01:01] Super excited. I would encourage everyone to go back and listen to episode 0.1 aka the legends episode to get kind of a feel for who we are

[00:01:13] And how the MCU got here got to where we are at the time of the release of this movie and that should be mentioned. We'll make sure we mention this in the first few episodes here

[00:01:25] We are at the time of recording it is after Wakanda Forever's release. So we are four full phases in.

[00:01:33] You know, we're quite a ways on from the release of a lot of these movies which is one of the really exciting things that we get to kind of go back and check it out.

[00:01:45] So with that, before we get to our breakdown, let's check out some Marvel news. All right. So Marvel news. I'm actually going to toss it over to you David because you sent me this one to cover first up here.

[00:02:18] We saw a filming schedule come out for Daredevil for the Daredevil Disney Plus show. Can you talk a bit about that one?

[00:02:27] Sure. Charlie Cox who reprises his role of Daredevil from the Netflix series was speaking about the film schedule for Daredevil born again, which is in the plus show

[00:02:42] It was revealed that they will have a busy 2023 quote. They said to me, we're going to be shooting in 2023. I said great when they said all 2023. I start shooting February and finish in December. So good for Charlie for his, you know, steady stream of paycheck to 2023.

[00:03:05] But it looks like it's going to be a huge 18 episode first season. Cox really has no idea about what the story being written for the show saying,

[00:03:14] but he probably couldn't cause it's under an end year. So I thought that was an interesting and a pretty long time frame. What do you make about? Yeah, that's super exciting. I'm glad that they're going to give it the time that it needs.

[00:03:29] I think it's interesting to watch Disney at a large level really experiment with the way that they're telling stories through Disney Plus. You have some limited series that they've done with the MCU where like wand division is a one-off one season.

[00:03:53] And you know, Loki is meant to be a multi-season show and gets less than 10 episodes a season if I remember correctly. Maybe just over it.

[00:04:05] So it's kind of cool to see them experiment some more with the idea of a longer form, you know, 18 episodes to really flesh out a character that is beloved.

[00:04:18] Right? I think Daredevil is a deeply beloved character for many, many, many Marvel fans and has been done kind of dirty in movie form. The Netflix series was great and I'm really excited to see what it kind of, what can happen now that it's officially in the MCU.

[00:04:45] Shot fired at Ben Affleck. My two questions I have, 18, filming for a year is longer than some movies are filmed. So I wonder if they were going to do any kind of, could we see any kind of crossover stuff like Tom with defenders or some other group.

[00:05:03] And then the other one was what is the tone going to be? The Netflix series was right at a bar, it was pretty dark, pretty violent and it'll be interesting to see if Disney Plus goes out of stark or if they lighten up a bit.

[00:05:19] Yeah, it'll be really interesting. I mean, his introduction came in, she-hulk and was very comedic right? He was, he was, she-hulk's love interest.

[00:05:30] Spoiler alert if you're not there yet sorry but he kind of gets to be a little bit of the butt of the joke we see him do a great scene where he's doing the walk a shame.

[00:05:43] I think if you did 18 episodes of that though, I don't think that that would serve the character well.

[00:05:53] One or two episodes that are a little bit more comedic makes sense, lighten it up but you definitely if you did a whole show that was just a laugh a minute with their double eye. I think you'd have some pretty upset people on your hands. Yeah, agreed.

[00:06:10] So moving on from that, something that actually is very timely to the episode we're recording today. The very first MCU movie Iron Man was inducted into or added to the Library of Congress's National Film Registry.

[00:06:33] It went in alongside the little mermaid from Disney and it's joining films like I believe return of the Jedi's in there from the Star Wars side. These are the movies that are meant to be our cultural milestones, right?

[00:06:55] These are the movies that really make up our American culture if you will. So really exciting to see the MCU get that kind of recognition and get honored in that type of way.

[00:07:09] And that's the, there's really exciting and as we've established you know it definitely I'm an Iron Man fan so absolutely stoked to see that one.

[00:07:19] This movie like a little bit of a spoiler for this actual episode you're listening to right now this movie is one of my favorite MCU movies still to this day. And so to see it kind of get that honor.

[00:07:32] It's really cool and I think there's an legitimizing factor to it there. Yeah, totally great. You see it later on you know all you don't see for a while until Marvel movies are nominate for Academy Awards but this is quite honor.

[00:07:46] Goes in with other movies such as Hair Spray when Harry Metzalli, Carrie like you said before it's a collection of stories which are central to telling American culture.

[00:07:57] I were explaining American culture and so quite honor and and well deserved for the the significance that this movie has in the MCU.

[00:08:06] Absolutely well I'm going to give a little bit of a of a peak behind the curtain here we are recording today on the 29th of December which is the day after Stan Lee's 100th birthday so Stanley who if you were still with us.

[00:08:27] He would have celebrated his 100th birthday yesterday pretty pretty cool to see kind of not necessarily the man behind the comics, but definitely the man whose face was on all the comics and you know to to some degree is responsible for why we are here today.

[00:08:46] And I also saw with that on his birthday yesterday Disney actually announced something that that I was pretty excited about not a lot's known about it.

[00:08:56] It was only about a 22nd little video that they released for it, but they did announce that they are going to do a Stanley documentary on Disney plus so pretty exciting there.

[00:09:09] Interesting didn't see that news that there's an interesting story about Stanley starting from when he was an assistant at age 16 working for what is now known as Marvel Comics becoming editor 19. So it'll be interesting to see how they how they tell that story.

[00:09:24] Yeah Disney as of recently has done a little bit less polling of the punches.

[00:09:33] I haven't watched yet I believe it's already released they released a Mickey Mouse documentary and I saw I saw some early reviews of it saying that it allowed them to get a little bit prettier and tell some of the darker side of the story which Disney is sometimes shy away from so it'll be interesting to see.

[00:09:53] You know how much of of Stan's life really is in that obviously it's to honor him and and that sort of thing but it'll be interesting to see you know how in depth they go I think there's a lot of interesting story to tell there for sure.

[00:10:06] Yeah, totally great. I think how they you know Stanley was a complex character he's in that you know he was the face of Marvel he is the old dude who has his cameo veryably in.

[00:10:18] Every every every Marvel MCU movie up to certain point but you know had a difficult you know relationships with as we talked about last episode with.

[00:10:28] I'm in Jack Kirby other creatives who he had sometimes a rock relationship with and so to be hopefully they tell both sides of the story. Absolutely now to move on to what will probably end up being a recurring segment here in our news section.

[00:10:46] I'm calling it the trailer park marvel always is working on something and so I think just about every month we will probably have some trailers to review.

[00:10:58] The one trailer here that I picked up that's not actually mainline MCU although maybe it will include mainline MCU we don't know yet is across the spider verse it's the animated. The animated spider man property from Sony. I really loved the first one of these movies.

[00:11:21] I love multi-verse stuff the what if comics were some of my favorite the what if show is one of my favorite still.

[00:11:31] And so definitely kind of that multi-verse seeing our heroes in different lights something I love and that's something that the across there that the spider verse movies do really well and spider man always has had that right there there's always been the spider verse.

[00:11:51] And so in the trailer we saw all kinds of stuff we saw spider woman showed up so we did get our first glimpse of Jessica as spider woman.

[00:12:07] We saw we saw spider man 299 we saw spider man from the Sony video game series as well as obviously Miles Morales and spider Gwen.

[00:12:22] I mean you could probably go frame by frame and find a different spider man in each frame of that trailer so if you haven't checked it out yet I would definitely suggest checking it out I think.

[00:12:35] It's something that's really exciting and you know offshoots of the MCU are not always the best cough cough more be this is one of those offshoots that that is really good and and.

[00:12:44] I'm curious to see if if MC you ever shows up I think it would be really interesting if like Tom Hiddleston got to do a voice in it or something like that.

[00:12:54] Sure yeah spider man into the spider verse we as we talked about in the first introductory episode we're not going to. I think it's just a very long to long to the non MC titles mostly because they don't really.

[00:13:07] Tie together as the MC properties do it's just a bunch of independent studios making. Being licensed rights to Marvel characters and creating movies some of which are okay some of which are not great some of which are are good.

[00:13:21] But I would say spider man into the spider verse is the best non MC you marvel superhero film so I am definitely looking forward to the next one. Heck yeah heck yeah.

[00:13:35] All right well now that the news has wrapped up let's go ahead and let's get into the me and potatoes.

[00:13:44] This month we watched Iron Man as a reminder during the main show we will avoid and we will avoid spoilers to the best of our abilities for future MC you movies.

[00:13:55] That we haven't watched here yet so you're listening to the first episode we haven't watched anything other than Iron Man so we're only going to talk about Iron Man if you want to get all the dirty spoilers check out our super secret spoiler show over on the ears up patreon.

[00:14:11] You'll need to support it five dollars a month and you'll get our secret show along with a bunch of other stuff that we'll talk about at the end of the episode. So with that David why don't you give us some of the details.

[00:14:22] Marvel Studios Iron Man was released May 2nd 2008 it is the first film Marvel Studios independently produced and follows. Fantastic four rise and silver surfer.

[00:14:39] If you're looking at release date um it is the first movie of the Marvel MC you it is the so it is phase one at first installment it was directed by John Favreau.

[00:14:49] Screenplayed by two writing teams Mark Ferguson and Hawk Ospie and Ark Markham and Matt Holloway and stars Robert Danny Jr. Terrence Howard.

[00:15:00] Jeff Bridges, Gwyneth Paltro, Greg Clark as Phil Colson, Paul Betney as the voice of Jarvis, John Favreau also appears as Harold happy hogan and Samuel Jackson makes his MC you debut in a spoiler in a mid credit scene as Nick Fury.

[00:15:20] The time of the movie is two hours six minutes. This was as it mentioned before the first movie of the Marvel MC you the budget was a hundred forty million dollars opening weekend was a hundred and two million dollars.

[00:15:33] It grossed three hundred and ninety million dollars in the US and five hundred eighty five million dollars worldwide ranking as the number twenty three grossing MC you movie of all time. A couple other real quick facts here.

[00:15:47] We talked about in the last show but if you have to listen to just how we kind of got to where we are.

[00:15:53] Marvel in the nineties and two thousand was was was hemorrhaging money was on the file for bankruptcy and so it was licensing its rights to various characters in order to pay the bills.

[00:16:05] So X men's bottom and Iron Man Hulk etc were licensed to other film studios for them to for them to produce.

[00:16:16] Two thousand five was the point time where rights to Iron Man reverted to Marvel there was a plan just six picture distribution deal between marvel paramount that's what paraproparamount's name appears at the beginning of the film. And by 2005.

[00:16:32] The they started to produce Iron Man the heart John Favreau John Favreau selected Rob denny Jr. to be hit the and really kind of. The Marvel Studios to hire him to be the the lead character.

[00:16:49] One little trivia thing now even though Rob denny Jr. was cast as the lead his salary for the film is five hundred thousand dollars plus an unknown cut of back in profits so he's estimated made two million dollars.

[00:17:03] He is the third highest paid actor that I could find in this movie behind Gwyneth Paltrö made two point five million and Terence Howard who made somewhere between three point five and four point two million which is wild.

[00:17:17] One story suggested the reason why Terence Howard got paid so much was he signed on early and then by the time Paltrö and Rob denny Jr. were brought on the edge to less money for the cast.

[00:17:29] That is that is the that is the beat potatoes if you will of the movie. Ryan Wunch takes to the scene breakdown before we before we jump into the scenes I want to set the stage a little bit right.

[00:17:44] I think something that is really interesting is to talk about you know where we were when this movie came out. I guess we'll kind of focus on three questions here and all kind of tackle them first right.

[00:17:59] You know what what was our first viewing of this like if we can remember it. Do you remember how you are how you felt before watching the movie and.

[00:18:09] What were you thinking going into our rewatch right where both watch these movies a lot of times varying amounts of times by movie so it's really important I think to talk about you know kind of what the experience of rewatching is like.

[00:18:23] And so for my part I don't specifically know that this was the first time I watched this movie but one time seeing it in theaters really sticks out in my brain. As I shared on our legends episode.

[00:18:39] My my dad was kind of my intro into the experience very into Marvel he really he read the comics. He has since bequeathed unto me the Iron Man Iron Man 1 through 5 issues 1 through 5 and you know those are kind of the pride and joy of his comic collection.

[00:19:04] He loved Iron Man and prior to this movie Iron Man was a be character it's hard to imagine now because Iron Man is so in a role to the MCU and has become.

[00:19:17] And he was a cultural juggernaut but prior to this movie Iron Man was kind of the also and type of guy.

[00:19:26] He wasn't really the star of the show if you will so when we heard that Iron Man was was becoming a movie I was really excited I always liked Iron Man whether it was through some of the cartoons he would appear in or his own cartoon.

[00:19:46] Or the video games like the Marvel vs Capcom video games that sort of thing. I always really enjoyed Iron Man I'm a tech geek at heart so Iron Man's kind of technological side always spoke to me.

[00:20:05] I've always been a fan of like armored type of stuff so his you know the armor pieces really spoke to me. So I was really excited about this and the the showing of this movie that I harken back to was.

[00:20:22] I went to see it with my dad my dad he and I went together I think it was the whole family.

[00:20:32] And it was just it was such a cool experience it was definitely one of those like stereotypical father son bonding type moments but it was it was really cool to get to kind of experience that together we had previously seen like.

[00:20:47] Star Wars re releases as well as the prequels kind of together. And so you know movie going was a was a part of kind of our relationship and it was it was really cool so really really one of those formative type of things for me.

[00:21:07] And and something that I remember fondly and going into this rewatch you know honestly this is one that I've rewatched quite a few times and so going back into it was was kind of revisiting an old friend.

[00:21:23] I was really excited you know there's there's things that tie in as as we talked about a little bit in our prequel episode if you will watching these movies every time is like watching the watching a new movie because.

[00:21:40] The threads that get tied into future movies color the way that you watch the movie so definitely you know not the same experience is sitting down in that movie theater in 2008 with my dad but still like a really love love going back to this movie or right after Christmas so I had just watched Iron Man 3 it is a Christmas movie we'll argue about that in a few episodes but.

[00:22:08] You know kind of going back to see where the character had started was is always something I love to do how much self David.

[00:22:14] Well I remember seeing the theater my son was too young to go he would have been about eight years old the time little bit young for Iron Man at that point time but he's a big marvel fan as well.

[00:22:26] So growing up I was a big fan of the Marvel comics I.

[00:22:32] I had preferences for some of the team ups so for the vendors more for the X-Men which is probably a favorite comic book so I wasn't a huge Iron Man fan but I was a Robert Danny junior fan and I was intrigued to see how they were going to pull off the movie.

[00:22:50] Everybody's taught in the theaters because there was no Disney plus and so you'd have to wait no one's going to wait months and months and months for the DVD to come out or the blue ray or what have you. Or the VHS depending upon what year it is.

[00:23:02] The and at the time going into it. I had high hopes I had seen a lot of bad marvel super hero movies that since I'm one to we're actually pretty good.

[00:23:17] So it's just curious to see how they would how it would play off like you said Iron Man was kind of a be character and you know not knowing how difficult it was for Marvel to produce it.

[00:23:28] I you know I came in with kind of open set of eyes as to just kind of enjoying and seeing how good they can make it look. You know special effects of the time this is 2008 like CGI was getting pretty good.

[00:23:44] I was just hopeful it wasn't it wasn't going to have like I was just curious to see how they're going to pull off him shooting up and stuff like that. And then and then upon rewatch you know as you said.

[00:23:57] You just pick up new things each each and every time and we'll kind of get into it into the episode but still holds up and we'll talk about the importance of the movie which would for.

[00:24:08] For the MCU which really can't be really can't be understated given kind of the time and where Marvel was. Yeah absolutely well let's get into it here so.

[00:24:19] I will the way that this breakdown is going to work for those of you who are listening for the first time, which should be most of you we're going to kind of go.

[00:24:30] And so in these overarching scenes so as I as I did my watch through I kind of dived it up into groups of of scenes so we're not going to necessarily go beat by beat.

[00:24:43] Not necessarily going to get all the way into reading the script or anything like that again I would definitely encourage everybody to go watch this movie. If you need to pause the podcast right now and go watch it.

[00:24:56] If you know I would definitely encourage everyone to watch this movie before listening to this breakdown because we're we're not going to be able to go all the way to the nitty gritty but we definitely want to kind of give you a feel for the movie as we go through here.

[00:25:13] So so Ryan if we if we're not going to do a script really read to be clear, but if we do I have I have dibs on doing Jeff Bridges a character. Oh hey I'm pressing. Oh I'll open that stain yeah yeah it.

[00:25:32] I love Jeff Bridges and it was a it was an interesting character choice for him let's put it that. Yeah we get into we'll get into that as to why he played at the way that fair enough. All right well so starting off we see.

[00:25:51] We see Tony he's he's in a humvee he's in the middle east being escorted away after what we will find out later is after weapons demo the home be that he's in he's kind of having fun with it.

[00:26:06] He's he's party in it up with the folks in there it did this scene kind of cracks me up because it does make the movie timely so there's references to my space putting pictures on my space.

[00:26:27] There is a boom box in the home be that's playing the music there's a stand alone like point in shoot camera and one of the soldiers says like don't mess with the settings just click it.

[00:26:43] So it is kind of funny that just from the get you are kind of faced with the time of this movie but eventually the as their kind of party in it up hanging out.

[00:26:58] The convoy is ambushed and a missile comes in Tony sees his own logo on the missile it goes off and it kind of sets us up he then is captured and imprisoned by a group of terrorists we cut to our studio titles so.

[00:27:26] Interesting I'm not going to call out the studio titles in every movie by any means but it was kind of interesting it struck me in this.

[00:27:35] And this one one the MCU the Marvel studios logo is different right we've gotten so used to for those of you who are listening to this after having watched a lot of the MCU you're probably used to kind of the comic book flipping.

[00:27:52] Marvel studios logo that from time to time you know they'll put somebody else in the background of or something like that this was not that this was you did get some comic scenes but then it's a totally different logo.

[00:28:07] And then you see the paramount studios logo which struck me as weird still yeah it is the that was the thing that.

[00:28:19] And then it realized that paramount had a distribution deal with marvel at the time I think it's picture deal that there's host to suppose to have so yeah was it was.

[00:28:33] Not quite what we used to seeing expecting specials you get into later films so then after we see the studios title cards we move into an award ceremony there's an award ceremony going on in Vegas.

[00:28:46] Tony we we kind of get introduced and reinforced with the playboy Tony right Tony's not. happy hogan who will become a constant presence here in the MCU you know it is it is really cool to see see happy.

[00:29:36] a very very young child of a route and Tony leaves the casino he is confronted with Christine ever heart from.

[00:29:47] from there he ends up hooking up with Christine ever heart that's kind of all once you know I know David you had some interesting things that you picked up during that scene well I thought it was.

[00:29:59] So they do a pretty good job in a short period of time of setting up Tony as it just a flawed character so one of the things we talked about in the previous part.

[00:30:12] a lot of the marvel characters were different than other super hero types because they had flaws because they were imperfect we talked about how the fantastic for would fight amongst themselves and we talked about ironman ironman here.

[00:30:25] in what is less than 15 minutes we see him being he was humanizing we see him completely self absorbed as know that it's pepper's birthday.

[00:30:36] complete disregard for other people's time he makes roadie wait for three hours and then you know the his overall kind of bad influence just drinking and strippers on the on the plane so they do a pretty job of.

[00:30:50] cramming that all in a fairly short period of time is very kind of self absorbed you know billionaire playboy. the other thing pepper talks about MIT and MIT I would just want to put a pin in it just to note that like MIT will appear in future episodes.

[00:31:09] but here we talked about it as it applies to start industries it was kind of an interesting scene question for you so the.

[00:31:17] so the we know that in the near ironman fan you remember ironman from the comic books being very much a kind of socializing playboy you know not a committed man at all.

[00:31:29] like does the like watching the ever heart scene again and like just kind of struck me is kind of out of place I don't know if they would make it today I mean I'm trying to be too politically correct but I also feel like.

[00:31:42] you can you can establish him as a as a character without him being just a complete playboy what do you think.

[00:31:50] yeah I think that's interesting and and we'll talk about the timeliness of this movie again in a few scenes but I think that in the world of you know we sit here at the end of 2022 nearly 2023 in this world I don't think a playboy looks the same as it did in 2008.

[00:32:10] definitely the the womanizing and the like objectification and and some of those pieces it's. it's definitely of the time yeah and so I think it'd be interesting to see because I it'd be so hard to make a Tony Stark today.

[00:32:30] um I the world seems more aware of the idea of like. people who are you know in the military industrial complex the the world has a different view of them than they did in 2008 right and so.

[00:32:50] I I almost think you if you were to make iron man today you might end up pulling from the ultimate. comic origins where Tony Stark was a mechanic who kind of issued his dad's fortune.

[00:33:06] um I I almost wonder if that's the Tony Stark that you ended up that you would end up with where they to go back and make this today right because. taking him from that from from being a womanizer and really kind of being a jerk.

[00:33:24] to to kind of his character development into who he is. it could be done it just would be so much more challenging in the light of today I think.

[00:33:34] I mean he can still be a self absorb you know self centered jerk if you will but the part for me this tough is just he goes from.

[00:33:45] it just makes it makes it harder by into the pepper pots relationship in my mind like that just seems a little bit of like. um a little bit of a of a one 80 maybe fit built upon it maybe in the second movie but we'll get into that later.

[00:34:01] yeah that's fair. I also do want to mention I forgot to I forgot to call this out during the recap but. I also do see Howard Stark number one of three so in the like in the ward ceremony they're showing kind of like a.

[00:34:18] a slide show of Tony's best moments and Howard Stark is involved in it. um and this Howard Stark will never show up in video form so it is is a different actor for Howard Stark then we see later on here in a couple episodes.

[00:34:37] uh when we'll see Howard Stark show up in um Captain America and it's a different Howard Stark then. um ends up showing up later on down in the MCU so I noted here Howard Stark one of three we also see a different roadie.

[00:34:56] uh Rodie's face looks a little different uh then if you've been used to the MCU as of modern so it was Terrence Howard like you mentioned is his contract gave him a lot of money for this movie and I know that that will probably get into that a little bit more in Iron Man too but.

[00:35:14] I know that that drove his separation from this series. Yeah they and Martin Martin Martin Martin Martin Martin then see you um.

[00:35:22] Fige and the cast directors did a really good job of of picking right people for right roles but there were a few that that where the face is changed and we'll see that in more so in the earlier MCU movies I think once they got the formula down there really able to do really good job of.

[00:35:41] of properly casting um so from there uh the next kind of group of scenes that I have here is the morning after so after the after the award ceremony we wake up at Tony's house.

[00:35:54] I think what's really funny now going back and watching this is a lot of the technology and Tony's house is really not that far off from like.

[00:36:01] The average consumer technologies today uh he has um Jarvis which is a more advanced AI than like let's say not to set off anybody's voice assistance but you know.

[00:36:15] I'm a if you will uh you know and he has the screens built into the windows which you know kind of is exist today.

[00:36:26] And uh you get a really great line from Pepper Pots where she's she's being introduced to Christina and Christine says oh you're the famous Pepper Pots you know you.

[00:36:40] You do everything for Tony and he and she says yeah including occasionally taking out the trash which sick burn so she goes downstairs talks to Tony I.

[00:36:50] I love to the inclusion of the suicidal tendencies song institutionalized here um I I love suicidal tendencies as a band so getting that in there was really cool.

[00:37:05] And we see one of my favorite things about the Iron Man movies which is Tony's workshop I would kill for Tony's workshop.

[00:37:17] And he has a conversation with Pepper and ends up finding out that you know he needs to get to the plane to head out for a weapons demonstration.

[00:37:32] He he takes off er he races with uh with happy to the plane and he gets to the this plane it's his private jet he takes off with rowdy.

[00:37:45] The couple of interesting things with this uh plane right so the song that is playing during the scene that's kind of the strip club on the plane.

[00:38:00] slept on Tony by Ghostface killer Ghostface killer loves Iron Man and actually runs with the nickname of Iron Man and he also had a cameo that was filmed for this movie and ultimately met the cutting room floor.

[00:38:19] But kind of cool to see some some cultural references make their way in I think that's something that the comic book movies or comic books do is bring in cultural and pieces and marble has always done that right marble has always always always spoken about what's going on in the real world.

[00:38:42] They've always been a story based on the real world instead of based on Gotham and Metropolis and that sort of thing.

[00:38:49] And so cool to see that at this point in the comic book movies they made the decision to honor that and bring in those little references and create things that we can make podcasts about you know here nearly 15 years down the road.

[00:39:05] Yeah the yeah when the marble comics really kicked off in like 1960s was definitely stuff that's going on in terms of like. Current culture what's going on in terms of.

[00:39:15] Threats communism, the the the war all that kind of stuff so right so a bit so interesting to see them reference what's going on you know to touch you know we were we are seeing it Afghanistan here one thing that you touched on that does not hold up is pretty much any technology.

[00:39:35] I didn't it's not really a plot hole but part of me was just like wait so you had to fly to Afghanistan. Behind like enemy lines push a button and then leave like could that have been a call right you just like.

[00:39:54] Could you could you just like done like a video rendering. I have to be there but anyway that that aside you know good early set up of the characters I do I did like the early pace of the movie where we.

[00:40:08] We get his backstory pretty quickly they lay out who he is as a character they they get him to the origin story and it keeps very close to the origin story I remember reading you know.

[00:40:20] How did years ago yeah and that's I think something that that the MCU has done really well and they started it here right and in the next few scenes are are the rest of the origin story. They figured out the formula to do an origin story though.

[00:40:36] So much of of like pre MCU Marvel movies or you look at DC movies they spend a whole movie on why Peter Parker got bit by the spider or on Batman's parents getting killed on the way home from the off don't care about Batman's parents anymore right.

[00:40:58] So it's not from here let's jump here right.

[00:41:02] Yeah and so I think you know they did a really good job of that here and that flows into the next thing right like you said he takes off on the plane he gets to Afghanistan he does a weapons presentation the Jericho missile.

[00:41:18] And yes he has some funny things about like the mobile bar card that comes with the order. We see him and then we we kind of threw through some jump cuts we see that okay that intro we got in the as we now know it the funvey.

[00:41:38] And it was his ride between this weapon's presentation and when he got kidnapped up so it gets kidnapped we see some flashes of. Surgery that is giving him the electromagnetic in his in his chest which we find out is keeping him alive.

[00:42:00] And you know we we kind of see we see that origin of why Iron Man has this this thing in his chest very quickly in very quick succession so really cool really good way to do that really.

[00:42:17] Quick one one thing I want to point out you talked about technology and this cracks me up and it's super personal so literally probably no one else will have picked this up.

[00:42:28] I had that same phone that Tony has that the like the LG phone that that swivelled into a T and it had like the T nine.

[00:42:37] It didn't have a front facing camera on it and it cracks me up every time I watch this movie because 100% they just took a foam ring like a sticky foam ring sticker and just put it on the screen of that to make it look like this front facing camera.

[00:42:56] Which always cracks me up. I thought for a second you were going to say I also had sharp no to my chest. I was like wow no wonder that's why so I grind to you darn man fan I get it now.

[00:43:09] No, I didn't get that crazy I mean I do have an Iron Man suit of armor down here in the recording studio with me when they have to pull that out for a later episode but. Never got so dedicated to get the sharp no in my chest.

[00:43:26] So from the way from that point we've seen him be kidnapped we've seen the surgery. He's been kind of he ins and is introduced he acts as our exposition throughout kind of the whole next scene so Tony's being tortured.

[00:43:49] He had shown all the weapons that this terrorist group which we now know is the 10 rings. Is is using they are all his weapons they're all stark. He he's asked to build the Jericho missile for them.

[00:44:13] At one point he he's refusing to do anything right he knows he's going to die either way so he's refusing to do anything and then there's kind of a moment of realization for him where he's like okay.

[00:44:28] You know let's I got to do something I'm going to die either way you know maybe I can do something with this.

[00:44:37] So he starts working we first see him build an a miniaturized arch reactor to replace the car battery that is powering the magnet keeping the shrapnel out of his heart. And then he kind of includes the incident on the fact that he's building a suit.

[00:44:56] Throughout this you know there's there being threatened there the terrorist group the 10 rings isn't quite catching on to the fact that he's not building a Jericho missile there's suspicious but because.

[00:45:11] Video quality was so poor on security cameras at the time they can't really tell that he is actually building an iron man suit and that brings us.

[00:45:22] I'm like plot flaw right here don't you think the 10 rings has at least one engineer come on that's not even that's not even close.

[00:45:32] Yeah, I do I do I do like these scenes the doctor ho Jensen is a is a great character which I enjoyed much more on rewatch.

[00:45:46] But you know it's about this time I think that like you were saying Tony realizes he has got to figure out a way to escape because he can build Jericho up and get killed or he could not build a Jericho up in same same end result.

[00:46:00] So and again great that they're keeping it so consistent and close to the original story. Yeah, yeah it's really cool and and this you know to kind of bring an end to.

[00:46:22] To this scene is he ends up shooting up in in a incredibly comic book accurate Mark one suit.

[00:46:31] You know, obviously when when they were drawing it it didn't have as much detail as it does now but the mask and the overall shape of the mark one suit they builds in the cave is absolutely the the mark one suit the old shell head.

[00:46:50] So from the comics and really really cool to see that and I think this will probably become an ongoing ranking for us.

[00:47:00] But because I love Iron Man suitups that like if there is a suit up in a marble movie where Iron Man is shooting up on the real that that automatically wins points in my book so.

[00:47:17] To see the first one here it was really cool and it's it's even though it's clunky even though it's not as sophisticated I still I have love for all suitups so really really cool to see the first one here.

[00:47:35] I am I liked this is this is where right in these scenes where Tony has seen his own.

[00:47:43] Missile or explosive injure him seriously where he walks out and he sees the you know he sees the guns how did you get my guns and and Rosas as welcome Tony Stark the most infamous mass murder in the history of America he's starting to first.

[00:48:00] Realize that you know he's no longer in the lab is no longer in the board room like the he is seeing like the upfront in personal in person experiences of what he's producing and further conversations he has with the insin and we'll see a little bit later on when he goes to go more like.

[00:48:21] Further cement that but yes and like his the quote which really struck with me your life's work in legacy are in the hands of those murders is this the last act of defiance for the great Tony Stark or you're going to do something about it and then he he builds the suit and the rest of the rest of there.

[00:48:39] Also want to note that the just put a pin in it that the 10 rings is an organization we will see in future marble films sometimes depicted very well sometimes not quite as well but. Keep that a mind when we're in future episodes.

[00:48:57] Yeah, absolutely absolutely so from in a couple of like movie movie references that I liked here because obviously we're not this isn't just the comic books right. We were also referencing some movies. Is so so yes and I know you wrote this down David but.

[00:49:23] Yes and torture so when when yes and is getting tortured by rosa he it very much feels like Indiana Jones to. Yeah, it was cool to kind of see that get pulled over for sure. So from there we break out so.

[00:49:46] So Tony is shooting up he realizes it's going to take too long some guards come to check on him there's a booby trap door blows up.

[00:49:55] So so yes and realizes it's going to take too long so yes and decides he's going to go ahead and he's going to sacrifice himself to to go. Let give Tony some time to kind of save save or to get through.

[00:50:16] Tony's going through the cave in a scene that I can only say is sadly missing any black Sabbath I really wish that it included it here there's there's a couple of like steps where I'm like I wonder if they just didn't get the rights right or something to put it in this scene because it was almost to the beat of Iron Man.

[00:50:36] Tony goes through we find out that that Yens and his family is all dead so after his sacrifice he he is going to. He's going to see his family.

[00:50:55] We come out of the cave Tony kind of does his cool flame thrower attack on all the weapons and we get to see Iron Man's first flight takes off flying out.

[00:51:12] And in the combination of the flame thrower attack and the first flight and then being rescued by helicopter I have to wonder if.

[00:51:22] Michael Bay made a stop on the set that day and decided to direct those scenes because it felt very Michael Bay and with the explosions and then the helicopter.

[00:51:34] So really cool kind of way to introduce us to Iron Man as the suit right beyond just Tony Stark right on rewatch.

[00:51:44] I really I really noticed Yens and a lot more how he was kind of the moral compass how he you know kind of challenged Tony his statement about you know when I'm out of here I'll see my family again knowing that they're dead.

[00:51:59] You know the Tony's last words to Yens and thank you for saving me and Yens and I was like don't waste it don't waste your life and that I mean we are. You know 40 minutes in we've already seen like the character turn.

[00:52:15] I also noticed that Yens and was probably huge star wars fan because when he rushes down with them sheen gun to chase the 10 rings to buy time was straight out of. Star Wars with Hansel.

[00:52:27] But absolutely but the the and in the end being very Michael Bayish I don't know how he survives that but we're just going to suspend disbelief just just a moment.

[00:52:40] Yeah yeah there's definitely there's some times here early on where you just kind of have to go yep that that can happen okay.

[00:52:51] I mean it's a flying space space man like I mean we have to like spend some disbelief but there is the other like I'm just going to tell myself that there was like you know some sort of crash technology or something inside the suit.

[00:53:05] Same thing when you know we see else other times when these big crashes like that at least you haven't a concussion you come on out.

[00:53:13] That's fair that's fair so you know this kind of takes us out of Afghanistan right like this is this is the last major seen in Afghanistan will come back a couple more times but. One of the things that struck me on rewatch.

[00:53:27] Is and this goes back a little bit to what you were talking about with. How would you develop Tony starts play boy side today in 2020 or would it be developing the same way. And it left me with the question of like.

[00:53:42] Would they make this movie if they were making this movie in 2020 with all of our geopolitical life the way it is. Would it be set.

[00:53:54] In Afghanistan again or would it be set somewhere else would it be a flashback right would would we be flashing back to you know maybe 2002 Afghanistan or something.

[00:54:05] Because obviously they changed the characters origin once right like in the the comic books I think the most well known comic book origin was I believe Vietnam that you know that was kind of the the most well known of the Iron Man origin stories and choosing to make it contemporary as of 2008 met moving it to Afghanistan.

[00:54:35] Does it move again is it a flashback doesn't even get made today.

[00:54:40] I think it's good question I think I think you would still have I think you would still have the similar origin story where he is captured by terrorists and emerges from a cave with that piece set in Afghanistan.

[00:54:58] And perhaps perhaps not what they're not going to do is not going to set it up in a in a made up country right. The only other you know could you I don't know that you would move it elsewhere in Asia.

[00:55:13] I just like I said they probably did what they could do kind of given the time and it's supposed to be reflective of you know then. And tensions that occur in the word you know we were in Afghanistan for a long period of time.

[00:55:26] And so it makes sense to have it that way I just don't know how to be able to to do it unless you kind of radically changed his origin story but I think his origin story is really one of the more interesting ones and marvel to be honest.

[00:55:43] And because of his kind of flawed character I do think you might reshape his character flaws a little bit but I you know I think it holds up pretty well as this kind of narcissistic jerk who does a complete 180.

[00:55:58] It happened pretty quickly happened the span of less than a third of the movie but but I think it works.

[00:56:04] That's fair that's very yeah I think I think I think most maybe move it from Afghanistan to maybe say I don't know Russia Ukraine if it were being made today I don't know you definitely.

[00:56:18] It strikes me that like Afghanistan would be hard to have it makes sense in today's parlance but. But yeah definitely interesting to think about. And then I know you you also caught on to some stuff with kind of.

[00:56:38] Yensin and kind of the him being Tony's first assistant right. Yeah my question for you is. Well we we see. Later in the labs we we see Jarvis like you obviously the Jarvis and the lab predates. Yensin but. Yensin kind of gave off.

[00:57:00] Jarvis vibes to me as this kind of like helpful assistant extremely loyal you know I would say when Tony when you when he is in the lab that you that we all secretly wish we have.

[00:57:13] And he has seen the Tim and dummy and pepper like that's that's where he's happiest that's where he's kind of most comfortable if you will. I do think that Yensin's death.

[00:57:27] And we won't know till we look at the film later on and we look at other ones but. I think it's one of the more impactful scenes of the MCU it really is something that like.

[00:57:37] His sacrifice like kind of inspired Tony and helped him to evolve as his character and you know but for that.

[00:57:48] You know would you know with the MCU turn out the way that did what would you know because that's predicated upon would Tony and Ironman be would he be the same Ironman right.

[00:57:59] Yeah yeah I think that's super super real and I don't I don't think he would be and I think. I think that goes back right like oh Ho Yensin is a like he's in the comic books as playing this same role.

[00:58:19] Just you know obviously different nationality and such but he he drove Tony the same way and so I think. He is so so integral to two Tony's development and making him who he is as a hero right changing him from.

[00:58:44] Changing him from a better version of to use a modern reference. You know an Elon Musk or a. Jeff Bezos right kind of the billionaire playboy. Maybe genius we don't know.

[00:59:04] Kind of guy to to the superhero right and and there is a corner that has to turn there and I think Yensin is that corner Yensin has always driven that corner. Yep agreed.

[00:59:19] So then we get back home so Tony is rescued by helicopter he comes off the helicopter.

[00:59:25] We hear him ask for an American cheeseburger which man I'm not going to spoil anything because this is going to come back now all I will say is we will put up in it because it will absolutely come back but.

[00:59:41] Watching that choose for conversation in the light of all the marble stuff we know now. Don't near brought me to tears and for those of you who are watching the MCU for the first time along with us. Just know it will bring you to tears on your rewatch.

[01:00:00] We also see Phil Colson get you introduced. And we see a press conference with. Just before the press conference or I guess during the press conference he is eating burger king cheeseburgers which very much a sign of not yet on Disney's dime.

[01:00:21] Or else those would certainly have been McDonald cheeseburgers dude if I'm if I'm gone for months and I'm my first thing I'm eating is I'm telling you right now it's not going to be a bird king cheeseburger. You know I'm not a flame bro.

[01:00:37] I got you these like thought we were cool man like. Like someone thing open. Yeah the press conference we see. Agent Colson of the strategic homeland intervention enforcement and logistics division shield. His as a character that we will see in in multiple movies the thing that struck me.

[01:01:03] When I we first see him I don't know if you noticed it but it looks like. It looks like agent Colson suit was tailored for someone like six inches taller and forty pounds heavier it's almost like okay.

[01:01:17] Like this is not the original actor but we're still going to put him in the same suit it looked like he's wearing his dad's jacket. Come on yeah I don't know if it's supposed to be like government like he's on government.

[01:01:31] Money so he can't have like a nice suit or if shield is supposed to be. You know underfunded at this time or what it is but. But yeah and I think what's interesting so I don't know if you knew this but. This scene as well as.

[01:01:55] scene we will see here in a few movies. Seems from next. Movie so so incredible Hulk.

[01:02:09] Stuff from Thor and then Captain America's unfreezing all are supposed to happen in the span of a week it's called Colson's Big Week and there was a comic book series that came out about it.

[01:02:19] Which is really funny when you think about the timeline of all this that literally from here where he is introducing the idea of the you know he's trying to get an interview with pepper. To to basically the forming of the Avengers is a one week span of time.

[01:02:39] So from there so Tony gives a press conference he announces that. Stark Industries will be shutting down its weapons manufacturing until further notice mayhem or. Not mayhem I guess. Bedlam ensues everybody's freaking out. Staying in particular you know he who was the. Who was his.

[01:03:07] Howard Stark's old partner and used to run the company before Tony took it over. Announce you know he basically tells them that like we're iron mongers what and you know appropriate name.

[01:03:18] And what we do keep the world from falling into chaos it's this it's this this kind of you know Tony says early I saw young Americans killed the weapons that I created to protect and defend them.

[01:03:29] Like now we have system that has no accountability so it's this does the missile act as a deterrent or not and I think he's realizing like.

[01:03:36] The that it's not it's not keeping it's not keeping American safe as intended I think you know it's the what was the code about the Jericho.

[01:03:45] It's the missile you only have to fire once right and the thought is that's going to keep the peace but that doesn't it doesn't realize is at this point in time it's not how works. Yeah. Yeah and that's.

[01:03:58] I will also say man old marvel naming conventions kind of crack me up sometime. Would you think that the guy named stained. Was the villain for the guy named Stark like Stark clean and things that are stained.

[01:04:17] I never would have guessed that we would have got to a villain point there. Okay let's do funny. So then Tony starts starts a secret project up at home so we end up you know ultimately this this is the iron man suit that he's working on.

[01:04:34] During this time 10 rings finds the mask. Oh, but I have visits Tony and has. Conversation with him particularly surrounding the the arc reactor. I guess that was I guess that was just prior to this but.

[01:04:56] Pepper also has to help Tony during this part where she needs to to replace his arc reactor with kind of an upgraded version and it's really funny because throughout this she's like you'll be okay you'll be okay as he's literally laying on the bed dying.

[01:05:16] She just I do like the line how bigger your hands. Yeah.

[01:05:24] So so we get to this point where he's I like I'd like to see where he is now building because he's a tanker he let this way likes to do he's not he's going to keep building newer and newer and slicker and more powerful versions.

[01:05:40] Using the more powerful arc reactor for it and it you know again, heart and back to what we saw in the cave and what we're seeing now. Yeah, so he and he also you also see during this time.

[01:05:53] Rodies trying to stay out of it he's kind of trying to take the the 10 foot approach right.

[01:05:57] I work for the government I can't be helping you which that does set up some interesting pieces especially when we get to Iron Man 2 and 3 there's there's some interesting conflict there created for for roadie.

[01:06:10] And the way that he has to interact with Tony who is his close friend. And we see it a little bit in this movie too, but open out of visits brings. Brings bring Tony pizza from New York which is a sign that it's not a good thing.

[01:06:29] We find out that that the business side of Tony is kind of crumbling right the board wants to kick him out or trying to file an injunction.

[01:06:38] But meanwhile Tony is relatively you know doing his superhero thing in the basement and he builds a build the first version of kind of the iconic Iron Man suit right the not necessarily the clunky built out of scraps.

[01:06:57] But the actual first suit it's built it's the silver suit and we see the first test flight so Tony takes off tests the altitude limits against the SR 71 which fun fact that was actually the ex jet in the.

[01:07:18] Exman movies was the SR 71 so kind of I don't know that that was a reference so much is just that was the highest flying plane at the time. And it it ice is up on him he crashes back down to earth. And we also see here.

[01:07:41] Pepper saved the arc reactor the original arc reactor that Tony had built in the cave to make a nice little present for him that says proof Tony Stark has a heart.

[01:07:53] That will come back a lot of times not only in this movie later on in this recap we'll talk back about that that proof Tony Stark has a heart but in future movies as well that that will come back so.

[01:08:10] There's there's a good amount of comedy here and we get introduced to dummy which is one of his assistant robots that I have such a love for.

[01:08:21] Throughout these scenes and throughout the whole series dummy dummy comes back quite a few times and is is quite the enjoyable character and. And I think also during this scene we get it like he had another suit up right and I think it's.

[01:08:39] It's better than the original it's way more sleek it's way more cool and and he does this.

[01:08:46] He asks Jarvis to test the control surfaces and I just feel like that was the VFX department just saying hey let us let us show off because the all these flaps on the suit are flipping and flap in and.

[01:09:01] I feel like that was there time to get to show off a little bit totally it's like it's like when you listen to like a like a rock song from the 70s and that there's like.

[01:09:12] One minute guitar solo there's like I'm just going to let this person show out and it's the same thing for the visual effects folks here like same exact thing.

[01:09:19] Yeah, I thought the thing I would note is that Tony took him 11 days to figure out how to fly and that the yeah I can fly is a great comment.

[01:09:32] One of my one of funny quote from the from the show and you get to see him, you know you see his suspicion for staying in these scenes he is developing a separate suit of armor the mark two it's on his private server.

[01:09:51] Staying once details doesn't take any details at least you brought on the arc pizza I mean I was I mean it's better to be okay.

[01:09:59] But but you could start to see there there's some suspicion because because of his weapons and and how you may look as as exactly if you're not going to know every every sale transaction that occurs.

[01:10:12] But the fact that stain doesn't show any kind of even famed surprise or redicense I think that early on trigger for him like oh something something is going on and staying is not to be trusted.

[01:10:27] Yeah, that's super fair super fair so yeah so yeah Tony then he's after his first test flight.

[01:10:38] He's talking to Jarvis there is a there is a little drop in here of you know perhaps a few intent to visit other planets which that will definitely come back later on. You may need to change some things.

[01:10:54] And Tony sees on the news that there is a benefit that he's throwing that he didn't get invited to.

[01:11:01] And we also see during this time that the ten rings is actually in fact in reassembling the entire mark one suit over in Afghanistan while this is all going on.

[01:11:14] And Tony's tweaking the design and just just before deciding to leave he realizes that he has a gold alloy that will assist with the icing problem and one of the one of the great lines that comes out here.

[01:11:33] And he's talking to Jarvis and he's like why don't we throw some of the hot rod red on there and Jarvis says yeah that will help you keep a low profile.

[01:11:44] Right after Tony had said you know the gold seemed ostentatious and it's like yeah red is so so much so much better off. Yeah. So Tony heads heads to the benefit that he's throwing that he didn't get invited to at the Walt Disney concert house.

[01:12:06] We get to see our first Stanley cameo of the MCU he's playing Hugh Heffner which still cracks me up when I see it. Colson is there he still fill Colson kind of in this movie he plays the the like pesky pastry. AKA, she bought on his dime.

[01:12:59] And then Tony is faced with the consequences of what's going on. Christine Everhart comes back. She shows him pictures from Gomera, which is where Yenson is from. And we see the consequences of kind of the double dealing that's going on. And he, Tony confronts,

[01:13:24] obadaya about it, obadaya owns up. He's like, app that's what we're doing. We've always done it. And basically, you know, kind of fesses up there. Yeah, that seals the deal in his mind. You know, this is a very kind of convenient scene

[01:13:45] because you have Cole Sonnus shows up again again in his ill-fitted suit. And then Christine shows up, which just happens to tell the Nicole Mera is, is he being attacked by the 10 rings and they're using his technology. So he's solved the mystery at that point in time.

[01:14:03] Like, staying is behind it. Can't be trusted. And then like you said, he, he, he, from there he flies to a suits up for the first. What did you think of when you saw that, the suiting up of him in the Mark III?

[01:14:16] Mark III is, is a really cool suit up. And so we'll probably establish this even more. So when we get to the nanosuits later on down the road. But I love the mechanical suits. So the suit up, these suit ups are some of my favorite

[01:14:33] because it's all these little moving parts and everything's kind of like screwing in and screwing on and clamping around him and man, it's so, so cool just to see that every one of those machinations moving. I think that's, that's one of my favorite parts about the suit ups

[01:15:00] is when we see everything kind of moving. And like I said, I'm a big fan of like heavy armor robots type of stuff. And so these, these suits are some of my favorite because they're bulky. They look like they could stop a blast right?

[01:15:16] Like they look like they could withstand some damage. And it's just, it's really cool to watch that kind of go on. Yeah, no, I, it was, it, I, it took like 40 seconds which hindsight seems really, really slow.

[01:15:36] But also really cool to watch and see how they do it. I don't know, I just, it's one of the cooler ones. And then he, then he flies to Afghanistan which I did not pull, go Merit together the very, very first time I saw it.

[01:15:52] And to display some more of his, some more of his weapons. Do you do notice when, to just when he, when they fired a missile or rocket atom that he kind of shrugged out of the way?

[01:16:05] Kind of like he did in the cave earlier in the original armor. But those kind of cool. Yeah, I was really, really cool. The, the Goumera offensive is, is a really cool part. It's actually funny. My wife, my wife tells the story.

[01:16:18] She worked it best by shortly after this movie was released. And that scene was there like demo for all their, um, for all their like surround sound systems and their TVs. So she has seen this scene in particular, uh, thousands of times.

[01:16:38] Like, like a bunch of times per day. Somebody would go in there and they turn on this scene. So, um, yeah, you get to see Tony fight a tank. And then, um, he, we see, uh, an unfortunate training exercise by some,

[01:16:55] some air force jets, uh, again, another little bit of a confrontation with, um, Rodey right, uh, Rodey has to act in his official capacity, but also, you know, has his friend. Um, and, um, we do ultimately see here at the end of the Goumera offensive, uh, suit down.

[01:17:18] Uh, the rare suit down. Um, and this one's pretty comical, you know, it's he doesn't have getting out of the suit down to a science. So, you know, he's kind of, he's, the robots are hurting him and then, you know,

[01:17:32] oh, Ouch, Ouch, Ouch, and Pepper walks in and tells her it's not the worst thing. She's caught him doing which leaves you to wonder what is the worst. Um, one of my favorite codes. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so that's kind of the Goumera offensive, um,

[01:17:49] one little Easter egg that's in there is, um, Rodey's ringtone on his cell phone is actually the theme from the Iron Band Cartoon series, which kind of was pretty cool there. But again, you think like, why does he have that? Yeah. That's true. It is, it is.

[01:18:11] It's, it's, yeah. People, people listening people back then like, mid early 2000s, like having a personalized ringtone on your phone was a flex. I just can't imagine that that would be the flex you would go for. But yeah. Um, so let's talk about, um,

[01:18:34] Oh, but I stain visiting the 10 rings. Yeah. Yes. So, obadaya stain goes over. We, we get to find out that, that, you know, obadaya is, he is the bad guy, right? Like, we've been suspecting this, but it's really exposed that he really, really is the bad guy. Um,

[01:18:59] he, he goes, we see him use, um, kind of a stun tech like a sonic stun on the, on the, on the 10 rings. Um, and he, he makes a comment about how, the, that part of the world's, uh, kill his heel has always been technology. Um,

[01:19:23] which I think that was kind of, you know, his, his folly, right? He, he, he thought of himself as like above everybody just because he had the tech. Yep. Oh. And we see him kill off that branch of the 10 rings. Um, so, so from there, um,

[01:19:50] Tony sends pepper over to, find out what obies working on. We see a scene between pepper and obie. Um, and then, uh, obie is talking to, um, a engineer who will come back, um, in a later episode, um, an engineer in front of the big arc reactor. Um,

[01:20:16] and he, he utters one of my favorite lines and a line I use, frequently in day-to-day conversation, uh, Tony Stark built this. Intercave! With a box of scraps. Um, and, um, fun fact, the actor who played that engineer that, or that obie is yelling at

[01:20:36] is actually timely enough. Ralphie, uh, from a Christmas story. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I like, I like, Reeves responses like, well, I'm sorry. I'm not Tony Stark. Um, the, in the, the, the scene where, um, the, we have now put it together. We now, you know,

[01:21:00] pepper is found out. Obedize come out like, it's clear. Like, it, it is, it is set up. Um, the other thing when you talk about, um, the other things that kind of stood out to me, there's a lot of, when driving around with this,

[01:21:15] a lot of outie product placement. Yes. Marvel movies. Like quite a bit. Like those cars hold up pretty well, but like the cell phones. Like, ah, you see G.I. and it iPhone in there. Um, but I do like this. I do like this scene. Um, you know,

[01:21:34] because he, obedize taken the, you know, the parts that from the Iron Man suit, once and to build the arc reactor. Um, and one of the quote is like, the, we, uh, we, uh, it seems like there's a little hiccup. Is there a hiccup? Yeah.

[01:21:54] The technology doesn't exist. Wait, wait. The technology? The, it's right here. This is it. I want you to make it smaller. Yeah. But we could, we could, that was such a great line. Like he just, because he's, he's not. This is the part,

[01:22:10] and you see later when he is, commanding his suit, he's, he's not the engineer. Like he's not the scientist, right? He is the CEO, probably the finance, the business person. But like he doesn't, he can't do it. He doesn't know how works.

[01:22:26] And so that's why he ultimately loses the spoiler for about 15 minutes from now. But um, but like he doesn't, he doesn't know how the technology works. So for him to simply just say, well, just make it smaller. It's like, you don't understand how it works by now. Yeah.

[01:22:40] Yep. And ultimately, open I, after he realizes how it doesn't work, um, he knows where there is a small arc reactor, right? So he, he heads to Tony's, um, he uses the same sonic, stun tech, uh, to stun Tony, and steal his arc reactor. Um,

[01:23:04] which from there Tony realizes he, he has another one of those small reactors, like I said it would come back later. Um, the gift that Pepper had given him, uh, kind of memorizing his original arc reactor. Um, uh, still in the basement.

[01:23:22] So he climbs his way down there. He goes to get his arc reactor, um, and puts it in. Um, shield, um, goes to get, Obi here with Pepper. Um, so at this point, uh, Phil and Pepper, and all are trying to go get Obi. Um, and, um,

[01:23:48] we see them use the little device that's going to pick the lock, uh, which actually is a bomb, to blow the lock. Um, and we see another suit up. Um, we see this time, um, we see another suit up here. Uh, Rode is watching on this time. The,

[01:24:09] the Tony is shooting up. And, uh, we get a nice little, uh, foreshadowing line out of Rode here, next time, baby, um, which is nice little reference, uh, to where we'll see Rode in the future. Um, and then we get a really bombastic fight. Really cool.

[01:24:30] I love robot on robot action. Um, I could probably go on for days talking about the actual fight going blow by blow, but, um, fight between Tony and, over Daya, um, that ultimately ends in the, the big arc reactor blowing up, uh, Tony gets the Tony sends, um,

[01:24:49] Obedaya down through, uh, the glass above the arc reactor that's conveniently placed there. Um, and, uh, Pepper overloads the arc reactor. It blows, um, Obedaya stain up. And that is, the, possible last we will see, although Obedaya stain. Um, one thing I caught in the background of this,

[01:25:12] that's really cool that puts this in the MCU, and isn't something that they had to do. There's a, the rocks on building is in the back. Um, which is really cool, you know, like I say, not something they had to do. Um,

[01:25:26] it could have been the north-rop-grumbing building or, you know, whoever, um, but to use an in comic references really cool. And that's something throughout this movie, that they did a really good job of, and they've moved away from as, as the MCU has aged,

[01:25:43] and they've been pulling in those, those little comic references. So, um, Christine Everhardt is, from the comics, um, hoe-yenson is from the comics. Um, basically every character here is from the comics now. They're, their spot may have changed or their character, you know, who they were,

[01:26:07] may have changed, but all the names everything comes from the comics, this time, that that's what they did. Like I say, it's changed as the MCU is aged. They've moved away from that in some ways, and there's a lot more, like MCU original characters. Um,

[01:26:23] but it's really cool that like, they, they use the world building already available to them. Yeah, now I think that they do, um, the, I would agree with the battle scenes between, um, Iron Monger and Iron Man. Hold up pretty well for as far as the CGI goes.

[01:26:43] Um, and it is believable because Tony doesn't has the kind of weak and arc reactor. These are the low power levels. Um, but when they've flying to space, and he freezes up. That's the part we realized. Oh, you, you didn't think about the icing issue. You're not, yeah,

[01:27:01] you're not a scientist. You're just a numbers monkey that is selling, selling weapons if you will. So, yeah, oh, but I just, he doesn't realize the issues. Yeah, yep, and that leads us to the, to the famous press conference. Yes, so very last scene of the movie, um,

[01:27:19] Tony goes in. Um, we finally get to hear shield. Uh, Phil Holson finally realizes that shield is a good name. Um, we also get to see a little bit of a, of a brief reference to Iron Man. And I loved Tony's like, well, it's not quite accurate.

[01:27:34] It's actually an alloy. Um, and Christine comes back again, right kind of an, an omnipresent presence in this movie. Um, comes back again. She, she starts to ask a question. Uh, Tony and his best Tony ways, like, called me a superhero is outlandish and ridiculous. Um,

[01:27:56] and then eventually we get the V drop that kind of kicks it all off, which is I am Iron Man. Um, and then we bust into the credits, which I have to say, um, Iron Man's credits are some of my favorite. Like the Iron Man movies overall,

[01:28:16] just the aesthetics of the credit scenes. Some of my favorites. Good music, right? Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, and there is an after credit scene, but in the tradition of after credit scenes, we're not going to cover that until at the end of the episode.

[01:28:32] So make sure you stick around to the end of the episode. And we will talk a little bit about the after credit scene. Um, but yeah, any closing thoughts about that last scene there, David. No, it's, um, interesting. Again, when talked about like Marvel superheroes,

[01:28:51] how they're different from other superheroes. You look like DC superheroes. Everyone's got a secret identity, you know, Batman Superman. They all hide behind masks or they hide their identity in some way, shape or form. Marvel characters. Sometimes it's just shoot all together. They go for the celebrity. Fantastic.

[01:29:07] Four if their celebrities are known. Here, he announces the I'm Iron Man, a line which we will see later on in the MCU. But um, just yeah, just a great, it was just a great ending to the scene. And I just thought, um, you know, we start looking,

[01:29:25] we think about the movie. We talk early. Why is, you know, the question I would have for that I pose as like, this is movie significant. You know, for my perspective, Iron Man, as you said before, was it, was it be superhero? Um,

[01:29:41] Robert Den Jr was a bit of a risk. John Favreau was in a stabbing actor, but, you know, this, the Iron Man, kicked around for like 15 years before anything, was ever really, um, produced and distributed. So, this was the first, as a bitch for this,

[01:29:56] for the first movie of the MCU, the first one that they were producing and, and creating themselves. And they were in financial hurts in the 90s and so they had a bar a lot of money. And they had to have a blockbuster. Like the first few movies, could,

[01:30:13] they had to be big hits, financially, to demonstrate and prove that they could, you know, that they could continue on with this storytelling, if you will. And Iron Man made a ton of money. Um, and even still, those ranked number 23 at all time. If Iron Man fails,

[01:30:30] if Iron Man is it, is a flop. Um, that I don't think, you know, as, uh, uh, Neil Miller on, um, a trial by content, once known to recent podcasts, the rest of MCU doesn't get made. Yeah. It simply doesn't. And, um, and for that reason,

[01:30:49] I think that this is one of the very most important MCU movies that have come out. I'm not, I'm not going to say it's the best, certainly not the worst. But it's, it is one of the very most important. And Robert Danny Jr.'s character,

[01:31:03] I thought he absolutely nailed it. We talked about there could have been other actors. Tom Cruise would have kind of fun. I'm like a lie. But, um, but I do, you know, his character, he pulled it off really well.

[01:31:14] He was extremely believable in the role as Tony Stark. How about you? What, why was this? You know, as an Iron Man fan, as a fan of comic books, why was this movie significant for you? Yeah, I think, I think this one was so significant.

[01:31:33] And like you said, I think, you know, I'll probably skip a lot of the, like, it launched the MCU. I, I think you, you said that well and, you know, it definitely did that, um, for sure. Um, I think the, the other significance here was that,

[01:31:55] it was a risk. Um, but ultimately like, Iron Man, especially culturally where we were with things like, uh, like the, the kind of focus on special effects in movies and that sort of thing. Iron Man made a lot of sense for that. Um, and,

[01:32:18] and Iron Man makes sense and maybe this is a little bit of hindsight, but Iron Man makes sense as a, as a movie character. Um, and so it created this really great foundation of the MCU, as a, as a partner to the comics, right? It,

[01:32:36] I think one of the really important things with the MCU is that it, it's never shooting to replace the comics. It, it is simply a partner to the comics. And, um, this established that incredibly well. Um, and, and it, it established the MCU,

[01:32:57] and as we'll talk about in the after credits scene, it establishes them the Avengers initiative. Um, you know, we really get to see a lot of, uh, of kind of the starts of everything. And it, it's a gamble that paid off for Marvel. Ultimately, you know,

[01:33:16] at the end of the day, yes, it was a gamble. Um, but it was a, it was one that paid off in the spades. So, um, that being said, what was your favorite and least favorite scene of this, uh, of this movie? It's tough. Um,

[01:33:36] I don't lot of, a lot of favorite scenes. I still think, just the, his very first appearance in the first arm are coming out of the cave and, you know, they shoot at them and they deflects all the bullets.

[01:33:51] Somehow it doesn't get through the big gaps into the neck or the eyes or whatever, but I'll put that aside. And he said, now, you know, my turn, right? Ah, so cool. Um, I'd say at least favorite, it's not really a scene, but um,

[01:34:04] I never quite sensed the chemistry between like Robert Danny Jr. and, and the roadie character. Like Terrence Howard's character. Like it seemed very kind of forced. There's, um, there's a, there's an, an off, off-color joke that, uh, Tony Stark makes about roadie and some hook up with some,

[01:34:27] somebody named Ivan in college or something. It just doesn't hold up. And, and so all those scenes are just kind of like, I'm changing your kind of build for, um, uh, for, uh, roadie for future movies, but they just didn't really work. How about you? What was your,

[01:34:42] what was your favorite at least favorite? I think my favorite scene, uh, has to go to the Mark III suit up. The first time it's in red and gold, um, seeing that suit up by, I, the 42nd suit up or whatever it took, um, you know,

[01:34:58] I think that was definitely my favorite scene. Um, it's hard to pinpoint it to a scene as far as like, least favorite. I, I think, and we talked a lot about this. For me, the, the negative sides of the timeliness of this movie, um, what was,

[01:35:22] is always challenging to go back to. And, um, you know, the, the, the joke that you referenced that, you know, by today's years, borders into the like transphobic realm, right? Um, and, uh, just some, some awkward things that just, you know,

[01:35:47] watching it with today's sensibilities makes it less comfortable. Um, and it, it takes away a little bit from the movie to, to watch it. And to some degree, you have to like go, okay, that was over the time. You know, it was a different time. Um, I, we're,

[01:36:07] we're scraping to find bad things. Yeah. I think it's not so bad that it's like, oh my gosh, this is a terrible movie. You should never watch it. It's got all this bad content. Um, ultimately, you know,

[01:36:20] we're trying to find the dark spot in a very good movie. Um, So I think, you know, I think that's, that's important to say there. So, um, who was your MVP of this movie? Um, I will not take,

[01:36:35] I will not select the obvious answer of Robert Deng Jr. even though that's, I mean, that's the answer. But I'm going to go, uh, Dr. Ho Vincent, um, played a very pivotal role in the development Tony Stark. Um, he was the moral compass. He was the, um,

[01:36:54] he sacrificed himself to buy, Tony more time. He operated as a human jarvis in terms of booting up the suit for the very first time. So for those reasons, I am picking, you know, I'm not going to say that. Um, Vincent, how about you? That's a great pick.

[01:37:12] That is a really great pick. I'm going to go basic. I'm going to say Iron Man. I'm going to say Tony Stark. I think, um, um, these early movies, especially, um, you know, as we get into some of the later movies in the MCU,

[01:37:28] we will probably see some side characters get better development. But, um, I think especially through the first, you know, you can choose to work with characters. Um, I think the stars play a big, play such a big role and, um, really do, do steal the scene. Um, and,

[01:37:48] you know, whether it's Robert Downey Jr. acting, or, um, just, just watching the character development of Iron Man in this movie was really cool. So, um, the basic, I'll go with Iron Man Tony Stark. And that's the correct answer. Let's be honest. That's fair. That's fair.

[01:38:09] Trying to try to try to, trying to think of others. Um, would not be Paul Bettany, who I guess did all of his work in like two hours, which it didn't realize, but yeah, he said he just, you didn't even know what the movie was.

[01:38:21] He's never seen it. It's supposed to be. I think it's great. Yeah, that's funny. So usually we would, uh, insert a ranking here. Now this is a little bit weird since this is our first one. Um, um, you know, as this podcast goes on,

[01:38:36] we will start to develop a ranking of the movies. Um, I guess early guests for, for you David, I kind of spoiled this, but early guests for you. Um, I guess if you were thinking of it in bottom, bottom third, middle third, top third.

[01:38:56] Where do you think this is going to end up for you? Who are you, are you talking across? All the phases, or are you talking across? Um, just as, just as phase. Let's say all the phases. I would say, I'm tentatively putting in the top third,

[01:39:20] most because I think it was a really important film. I don't, I, you know, I don't think, I don't think by any stretch anyone would say, hey, this is the greatest Marvel movie ever, but because it was so important and because of the stakes involved, I, I'm,

[01:39:36] I'm grading it a little bit higher. How about you? That's fair. That's fair. Yeah, this is one, so my first instinct is to go no brainer, top third. Um, I think that that the only reason why it's not necessarily a no brainer is, we are, you know, 24, 25, wow, 30,

[01:40:00] thank. We are 30 movies into this, uh, universe now. And so that's saying top 10. Um, yeah, the more I talk about it, the more I convince myself. I think, I think top 10, uh, probably this movie sits there for me. There's, it'll be interesting to see how these were ranked.

[01:40:23] So over time, I mean, there are some, really heavy hitters like this. Yeah. Really good movies. I, I mean, also a little bit unfair in my mind because they've gotten so much better at making them. The,

[01:40:36] it's hard to compare the first with the 24th or the 28th or what have you. Um, but still very, still entertaining movie, always fun, always enjoy the rewatch. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, I think that does it for our episode here. So, um,

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[01:46:17] the incredible Hulk and remember PUNY pod will return. All right David. So let's let's talk about this after credit scene. It's it's one of the shorter ones, but I think one of the

[01:47:05] more impactful ones. So we see Tony come in. The alarms are going off in his house. It was really dark and he comes in and we're kind of here a shadowy voice say I am Iron Man and then Samuel

[01:47:29] Jackson steps into the light and introduces Iron Man to the idea of the Avengers initiative. So fun fact, I actually missed this the first time I saw this movie. I didn't know the concept

[01:47:44] of an after-credits scene obviously like it had existed before right famously like fair spuelers day off is one of the ones I always think of when I think of you know after credit scenes or whatnot. But

[01:47:58] yeah, this one obviously introduces us to a big universe and and I thought it was really exciting to hear Samuel O. Jackson call it a universe. You know you've just stepped it's in our intro music

[01:48:16] actually one of the lines from this of Tony you've stepped into a large universe and you don't even know it yet. And so I thought that this was a really cool way to introduce us to the idea of

[01:48:34] a MCU. Yeah, we see Samuel Jackson is shield director Nick Fury for the first time tells him Iron Man it's not the only superhero in the world and then he talks about the Vendor initiative. A little known fact that that scene with the post credit scene was actually

[01:48:57] cut in primary releases and then in the post of Vendor releases they've restored the post credit in the post credit scene. So it's possible you didn't miss it that it was not actually there.

[01:49:07] That's fair. Yeah, don't be too self-up. Yeah I remember having to like go find pirated versions of it that somebody like had taken a crappy cell phone camera and recorded it back in the day so

[01:49:24] yeah definitely and the other thing that I remember being interesting at the time of release was so Samuel Jackson was the archetype for the ultimate Nick Fury. So Nick Fury and the ultimate

[01:49:41] universe. So whereas like a lot of the Iron Man movie was pulled from the Earth 616 universe in the comics. So I know that there was a lot of holy blue around you know why is Sam Jackson

[01:49:56] Nick Fury that's not the guy that I'm used to as Nick Fury but I know you know it was really cool to see that they were kind of carving out their own universe. I have my own brothers with

[01:50:11] where we are with the universe numbering and stuff which we'll talk about a little bit in the secret spoiler show but you know it was cool to see see that they were willing to pull references from a lot of places and carve out their own

[01:50:30] existence right the MCU at this time was was referencing comics and using source material but also creating its own narrative which I thought was really cool. Yeah no it was great fun post credit scene and now we're spoiled to the now wanting like two or three. Yeah yeah

[01:50:52] so cool man well thank you for joining us again y'all we will see you when we return next month with incredible Hulk.