Puny Pod | Monthly Bugle July '23

[00:00:00] Hello, Puny Podians. That's a weird name for y'all, but anyways, this is Ryan. I wanted to jump on real quick before we started this episode of the Monthly Bugle. The Monthly Bugle is meant to be a current event's podcast so we do cover current releases in the MCU.

[00:00:19] And we don't have a spoiler filter on this show. So I did want to let you all know that there are some spoilers heavy spoilers about secret invasion episode 1 through 3

[00:00:30] So if you're looking to avoid those spoilers skip to timestamp 23 minutes or maybe I'm just a scroll telling you to skip right to the spoilers wouldn't that be a trick

[00:00:42] Welcome to Puny Pod's Monthly Bugle for July 2023. I'm Ryan and my co-host as always is David. David, how are we doing tonight?

[00:00:56] I'm doing pretty well man. Like it's been a while since we've chatted there hasn't been a huge amount in terms of Marvel news, but there's a few things to go. I want to look forward to chatting with you about how are you doing?

[00:01:08] I'm doing fantastic man and that's yeah, it's we're in a weird place with strikes and stuff like that which we'll get into in our stories. But it does mean particularly on the movie side which that's always been kind of the focus of this podcast things are slow.

[00:01:28] I'm getting close to where I might start bringing in bringing back in some video game and comic book reporting because that's where things are happening at this point.

[00:01:39] I thought for a second you're going to go down the you know, we're just going to have to start reviewing the fantastic form of these and I was like, oh no man like I'm at tap out on that.

[00:01:49] Yeah, we did get chev got to nerd out on that on the app crawl a couple times. I was super fun. Yeah, yeah, but if anybody you know hasn't listened to that show definitely go listen to the hub crawl.

[00:02:03] David and I appeared on it on an episode that dropped last week as we're recording two weeks ago as a release. And then we will appear on another episode that should drop next month and another episode after that. So.

[00:02:22] Eric brought us in to come hang out and it was a really good time. So if you can't get enough of our voices go listen there. And if anyone likes here my voice God bless you. I could not stand it, but anyway.

[00:02:37] Yeah, man. So so let's let's jump into some current content reviews. So as always with the monthly view goal we like to talk a little bit about what's out there in Marvel content right now and even though there is a there is a writer strike and maybe a actor strikes soon to happen.

[00:02:58] And we're still seeing some current content be released. Namely, the big one here is secret invasion. So secret invasion is drip feeding week by week onto Disney plus. And you know, I guess overall David what's what your feel for the show so far.

[00:03:21] So secret invasion for folks who've not internet on comic books is a story set in the Marvel comic book universe that assumes it scrolls have invaded the earth and the show that there are millions scrolls.

[00:03:34] And it's this kind of you know, this I just described as kind of government kind of political thriller where I'm going to get learning this well to show a little bit where scrolls have been made like all levels of government.

[00:03:50] We saw the scrolls in Captain Marvel originally and we've seen them in a similar reference a couple times. I am enjoying the show personally. I love to see Samuel Jackson cook. I think graphic is one of the better villains we've had in a long time.

[00:04:10] And you know, I've enjoyed the tension of basically like fury promised the scrolls in 1997. Captain Marvel that he would find a plan for them and then he just didn't do it.

[00:04:23] And so, you know, bunch of them came to earth and then there's a subset of the group that are like, no, we're just going to claim earth is our own have a great day. So I'm enjoying it.

[00:04:33] I, we are four episodes in and I haven't seen the last one but you've seen half of them so far what are your thoughts. Yeah, I think it's it's really good.

[00:04:44] I like you said getting to see Sam Jackson shine and and giving him a platform is really great and and seeing Nick Fury get to play out a little bit has been really fun. The first episode.

[00:05:04] I was okay, so before I say this because we are going to go into some hard spoil like hard spoilers. I'm going to talk about people who died and stuff. So we're dead.

[00:05:16] So if you had waited to skip ahead because you'll hear once I know what time stamped put in,

[00:05:29] you'll hear it the beginning of the episode at a time stamp to skip to if you had been like, I'll just wait through don't like know that we're going into some hard spoiler territory.

[00:05:40] So in the first episode it was like a plot to bomb Russia by and or the scroll set up a plot where they were acting as essentially hard right Americans that we're going to go bomb Russia.

[00:05:58] And man that one pissed me off killing Maria Hill in episode one after like teasing us with oh you're going to get Maria Hill back and like you get to see Maria Hill's like piece to resist on and get to see her be cool and all that.

[00:06:19] And then she died as an episode one that was that was rough.

[00:06:22] Although it is secret invasion so you know who knows what could be there could be some fake deaths in the cards or scroll transformations or whatever that's very much in the cards for this type of show right right.

[00:06:42] I do like how they said it out there basically the scrolls I think the basic premises we are going to try to create a big war between rushing nine states.

[00:06:52] And as a result, well by weaking the superpowers in theory take over the pan or part of the planet so they can occupy it because scrolls was destroyed by the creed in captain marvel or the events of Captain Marvel.

[00:07:06] Yeah I really like agent hell like I'm bummed man my god first episode couldn't like keep around for like another couple.

[00:07:16] But you know yeah and I would agree graphic is a really good villain we actually get to tie into Iron Man 3 which we're about to review on our main show.

[00:07:29] And you see graphic is working on super scroll stuff and it seems like he's got the DNA of the Frostbeast he's got the DNA of group.

[00:07:41] He's got the DNA of something else that I can't recall and then he's got extremist which extremist is straight out of Iron Man 3 which we're about to cover which is all fun.

[00:07:52] The thought is in the comic book they the super scrolls basically recreate the power of the fantastic 4 we haven't seen the fantastic 4 in the in the formal MC as a viet and so the thought is like okay group is Mr. Fantastic and his kind of Johnny store and I'm like.

[00:08:09] I thought that was gonna fun not enjoy that yeah and I will say one last shout out episode three was a lot of Samuel L. Jackson and Ben Mendelsen kind of spending time together they they they kind of went on a mission together Ben Mendelsen plays Talos and seeing seeing them get to interplay was really fun and it was just genuinely an enjoyable like episode of television to watch.

[00:08:38] Yeah I've seen episode four you have done seeing episode four long. It's good like I think the I think the best part to the show or the parts we just see the conversations the dialogue between.

[00:08:56] The conversation between Talos and graphic the conversations between fury and roadie all those are really a really good I think the part of the show I think.

[00:09:11] Which is which is lacking a little bit is it doesn't for episodes in and there doesn't seem to be I'm not getting the consequence as a viet you see a little bit in this episode about Marie Hilda and episode one and I was born like she was one of the you know her and Colson and we're like very too very like kind of meeting for oh crap this person died.

[00:09:35] But then other events have happened and you're just kind of waiting for how this all fits together and we're four episodes in there's like two left land this plan I don't know if they're going to get there.

[00:09:48] Yeah that's super real and I am drawn back so the the links between this show and and or have been pretty heavily made in. In like culture and that sort of thing a lot of a lot of like comparisons made there. And I'm hoping that it end.

[00:10:09] It's not so far. Fantastic yeah and I also remember so I was on I went and I guess co hosted.

[00:10:19] I was going to be a band the milk during and or and I remember Rob at the time being like this doesn't feel like it's going anywhere this doesn't feel like it's going anywhere.

[00:10:27] And then there's just like the last three episodes just bang bang bang everything hit and it was like wow that was actually fantastic I was really great.

[00:10:37] So I I'm holding my breath that it'll be that I also recognize not everything can capture that that gold and there is a there is the chance that this one will fall a little bit. Flat because as a as an ongoing show I think this would be great.

[00:10:54] I think like a super spy Samuel L Jackson Nick Fury show where possible seasons yeah multiple seasons that sort of thing. This has the feeling of that right now it doesn't have the feeling of a six episode short you know essentially extended movie.

[00:11:15] Alright I'm going to put you on the spot I'm going to ask you this so there have been eight this is the ninth and this is the ninth Disney plus based MCU show.

[00:11:25] Where like what third does this rank and I'll remind you a little bit in rough chronological order. Loki or it's like one of vision Loki. Fuck in the winter soldier what if Hawkeye Moon Knight Miss Marvel.

[00:11:46] She Hulk and I think I mentioned what if so it's basically it's eight like where does this rank is this kind of top third is middle third is it bottom third.

[00:11:57] It's probably for me bottom third and that's not to say it's bad I want to be specific right like.

[00:12:05] I've for my for my money I don't think that they have produced a objectively bad show on Disney plus like and who does we will be reviewing the Disney plus shows in 2028 which we'll talk about a little bit in one of my stories here but.

[00:12:29] Is it is it about moon night. No I I loved moon night I thought moon night was fantastic is it above Miss Marvel. You mean she Hulk. No, I was thinking Captain Marvel.

[00:12:49] No and yeah I don't think it's above I don't think it's above anything it's probably last out of what's been released because I so and I have weird rankings I will on this I love what if I loved the what if comics and the show.

[00:13:08] I don't want to say it's a hot take but it's an uncommon take not a lot of people love that one. Miss Marvel I really liked the casting of. I think it was hugely important to that show and yeah.

[00:13:34] What's what call it Hawkeye I really enjoyed she Hulk any I will fight anyone who said that was a bad show.

[00:13:45] I'm just saying that's in their bad I'm just saying like one can be one and one has to be last like you're not trying to make your favorite siblings or show it is just like.

[00:13:55] And that's the same that's the same way I'm coming at it and that's why I would say secret invasions probably so far the last out of everything that's been released but that is a far cry from saying it's bad I think.

[00:14:09] I think everything has enjoyment value and and I often think about going back and watching some of them. I haven't yet but.

[00:14:22] I think for my money I would say secret invasion is probably the last but again that's not to say it's bad they're all good I think it's all good it's just bringing what's better.

[00:14:35] What about from your side yeah it's kind of a kind of I've I would describe we're just we've been fairly spoiled as relates to content as we talked about before there was no. Super hero shows like this it was all animated when you're younger maybe you got like.

[00:14:53] Lou Fragna with a bunch of green paint on jeper and like the whole can now is basically it like there was that much so. Yes I don't I can't put it out there at the top it's in a probably be.

[00:15:06] Bottom in the middle third top of the bottom third maybe.

[00:15:12] It's definitely not in the top tier but I'm enjoying it so far it's hard you know it's hard to argue it's you know there's with other stuff that's going on in the world it's hey it's Disney you know it's Samuel Jackson it's you know.

[00:15:28] It's chie-t-l it's good right for sure and one last couple of last thoughts before we move on off of this subject.

[00:15:36] I do want to say a million Clark and Olivia Coleman are fantastic additions to the MCU I'm super excited to see them in the MCU I think so is a Amelia Clark is playing the grown up version of Talos's daughter named Gaia.

[00:15:56] And Olivia Coleman is playing Sonya Fallsworth which is a original character to the MCU although the last name falls worth actually ties back to the.

[00:16:09] I think that's a very high quality howling commandos from Fallsworth was one of the howling commandos no confirmed relation as far as I have seen in the show but.

[00:16:25] I think that they are both great additions to the MCU and I hope to see them in more projects I think they're really fun yeah I think Coleman has her scenes with fear really good. You know some of the stuff that.

[00:16:40] I mean the Clark is kind of in task with you know Marvel still at points and time struggles to write female dialogue female centric heroes and characters at times.

[00:16:51] And so I think one of the other things which is also and it's based on the premise of the show is you know you don't who's a scroll you don't who's you basically don't know who's good news bad.

[00:17:02] And so there's this kind of guessing games you see everyone you're like. Oh, this fear is scroll is the president of scroll is rodeous you know everyone's a scroll everyone could potentially be a scroll and so that parts a little bit and easy because you don't know.

[00:17:16] You kind of don't try I just got as you kind of don't trust what you're watching if you will and you know if you would like to see me like Clark with more time.

[00:17:26] The call with more time the actor whose name I can't remember who plays graphic I think is doing a fantastic job and what's we're done we can do a little. And so that's graphic versus like Kilmonger who was more correct or their methods but anyway.

[00:17:43] Kingsley Benadier is who is playing graphic and yeah. All very fantastic I will say I will leave everyone with this one thought again I haven't seen episode four.

[00:17:56] But I do have to give shout outs to one of my favorite internet theories right now which is the Scrody theory.

[00:18:04] So, rodey in episode two fires Nick Fury and so there is a lot of thought that that was actually scroll rodey and I'm pretty sure the best name for that is Scrody that I think is the right name.

[00:18:20] I've heard Scrody I think Brody is better it sounds almost dirty but I think Scrody is a better word yeah and episode two. The.

[00:18:32] Brody character first to Fury by his first name which is kind of if you know him you know him not to call him that and then episode three when.

[00:18:44] Fury's wife is called he's called she is called to meet at the central spot and it's it's clearly done she'll voice and so those two things together you're like okay if he's working for graphic or is he not work for graphic he is he you know.

[00:19:01] Is he furious a scroll like who knows I could just make sure I had explode but it'll be interesting to see there's a few more episodes left I've really enjoyed it. Like you said it's not lucky it's not.

[00:19:12] You know one division but it's still enjoyable and hopefully they landed hopefully it's we're at a spot that. Like makes sense for sure for sure.

[00:19:27] Well before I lay a little bed to give a landing space for some spoilers we didn't talk about this pre show but David have you have you seen across the spider version at all.

[00:19:43] I have been in the middle house of a model and I've seen very little films so I've not seen across the spider verse are you about to talk about the different versions of the spider verse movie.

[00:19:54] No, I wasn't going to talk about that but I that is fun. I actually looked so I saw it this weekend I saw across the spider verse I'm in the middle of dad life so some movies don't get to see on on release.

[00:20:09] Hey fans we've got like six years before I can review this and get up and get up and back. Well this one's not even on or maybe well maybe but it it was really fun I would genuinely say for anyone who is a spider man fan at all.

[00:20:25] So see into the spider verse it is some of the best spider man material there is there is references in it to all of the live action including MCU. Direct references to spider man and or what's the line that they say. Doctor Strange and that nerd on earth 999.

[00:20:53] And there's they brought in spider punk in the form and Hobie is fantastic he's fantastic throughout this whole movie. Quick minor spoiler.

[00:21:08] But if you are a fan of spider and comics you might be familiar with Ben Riley who was the Scarlet spider he is in the movie and he is.

[00:21:23] It is so good the way that they made fun of themselves with Ben Riley they made all of his lines super emo and super super over the top which is exactly how he has to be written.

[00:21:37] And it's it's so good it like I will I am gushing about a movie that we're never going to end up reviewing on this podcast because it's outside the MCU.

[00:21:47] But very genuinely if you like spider man at all go watch it it also solves it also fixes the problem of like.

[00:21:58] Get tired of seeing the same event happen on every spider man movie right we've we've had 10 spider man movies in last 20 issues and we've seen the same events happen over and over and it talks about why we saw that like it it pokes its own fun at the that like way that we see the same things happen over and over so.

[00:22:18] Very very great um genuinely go go check it out I I could not say it can I stress enough how good that one is so yeah I'm excited to see it even though and I've studio see a void of trying to watch read anything about it.

[00:22:37] I think that could it at points of time kind of dampen the hype but at the same time and everyone will be spoiled on things I just want to go with like a clean slate so I will endeavor to watch this week because I really.

[00:22:50] I really enjoyed the first one and they do a great job and everyone will watch this one so for some height I watch it.

[00:22:56] Heck yeah heck yeah alright well let me lay a little bed here make a nice little bed I'm making hands with my I'm making shapes with my hand of making a bed.

[00:23:06] This is where anyone who skipped ahead to the time frame that I said to skip ahead to at the beginning is skipping to so this should be probably about 25 minutes in after editing and all that stuff will see exactly where it lands but.

[00:23:27] Anyways welcome to the episode if you skip the head. And again our IP Thor. You just couldn't get through the mirror. But yes you need to be some sort of drop or the house we drink you came when the mirror will get spiffed. Go ahead please continue.

[00:23:49] Well David I'm actually going to pass it to you pretty quickly here because we're going to get into the news and David I want you to give us an update on what seems to be your specialty as of the last few months.

[00:24:00] How is the strike going or sorry I'm super excited that my. M.O. or my expertise is now contentious labor negotiations I didn't. And hadn't picked that one out on the bingo card but real quick update as we've talked about the last couple episodes.

[00:24:18] The writers give a little bit of a have been on strike they've been on strikes in the beginning of May so we are entering month to.

[00:24:27] As a reminder the W.J. is striking to ask for sort of the concessions on their labor contract they are looking for increased minimum compensation and all areas media including residuals which is a big deal when you start thinking about streaming. We started thinking about AI.

[00:24:48] I didn't even think about secret invasion hits both those check marks so for those who have been living under a rock. This isn't a spoiler for secret invasion. The intro was done in AI there's still an artist.

[00:25:09] Yeah and there's still a human artist behind picking out what images go where and that sort of thing but it is it is done through AI which has definitely stirred the pot and I think was a little tone deaf just giving given the timing.

[00:25:26] Yeah yeah and so things like we'll talk about it for a second because it's also impacting the screen actors guild but they're looking at.

[00:25:37] Listening to as Paco was talking about the compensation from pre-imposed production and there's certain instances where you're doing like rewrites you probably you know I my understanding was you're not necessarily being paid the same scales before there's sort of things kind of applied sounds like you're doing some free work in there.

[00:25:54] Looking for you know contributions like pension and healthcare retirement all that kind of stuff. The screen actors guild slash American Federation of Television Radio Artists that I was further as a sag.

[00:26:08] Share similar concerns around AI and residuals and are also very close to striking so we are recording on July 12th.

[00:26:16] The contract deadline for the screen actors guild to reach an agreement is extended till tonight midnight July 12th if they do not come to a agreement and it sounds like they're still a ways way.

[00:26:30] Then the WGA and the screen actors will both be on strike at the same time.

[00:26:35] The AI part and you kind of touched upon a little bit is a big deal because you can completely replace and I'm going to completely but you can replace a lot that a writer does by using a generous scripts and storylines.

[00:26:53] And we're placed what an actor does so if you saw the last Indian Jones film there were scenes that were done completely with AI it's not CGI they basically used.

[00:27:09] I'm far to explain this to like my mom or my grandfather they basically used computer to recreate what in it Jones looked like using all of the images from him from before.

[00:27:22] And he provided the voiceover but it's not too hard to envision this is not the old like Grand Moff, Tarkin CGI Princess, Layas CGI or like that looks terrible like if anyone saw the last Indian Jones film.

[00:27:37] The young version looked really, really good and it's because they had so much content. So many images so you stitch that all together and that's different than trying to draw it you've got the images and so.

[00:27:50] Actors are concerned that like okay I if I've been on 100 episodes of friends I could just get computers right scripts and to mimic me on friends and just continue on in perpetuity right so.

[00:28:03] They're also concerned with residuals from the from a especially like a writer well from both the like from a writer's perspective you know I might have written to was you know written contracts residuals are tough because especially on streaming because.

[00:28:18] There's no necessarily fixed dollar amounts set to it I as marbles studios I can take something that I've written off of streaming after day one I just cancel you're not getting any money and so those are things that they're kind of fighting for.

[00:28:31] It's I'm sure it's very complicated in terms of like the technical discussions around some of these these technologies and and.

[00:28:39] They also when they sound the contract is usually for a period of time and so you have to be you have to have like four site is to what the stuff might look like in the future so I mean I think to certain extent.

[00:28:50] I do think that the. You know recent explosion of chat GPT and we'll bar now there's we're good because it brought these topics to the forefront to start thinking about like oh this is not you know.

[00:29:02] 10 15 years away this is like right now this happens today right truthfully yeah. Hi. I guess you can find details on patreon.com slash years with a super easy. I'm going to go up anyway back to the plate of the working class. I mean math class.

[00:29:45] Yeah on on this very network we saw. We've seen a few shows that that as a joke as a lot have been recreated just from.

[00:29:58] Just from teaching an AI using literally one episode so listeners if you want to defame David and I just know you have our voices please don't do that. But but you're excited someone did my voice and anything with it like man we have fan that's cool.

[00:30:22] But it is it's it's it's kind of fundamental right like you can't you have to have the creatives involved and you can't just replace them I'm against them there you can but I don't know I would be interested in kind of go back and look at like.

[00:30:37] Look at. cartoons right cartoons which originally hand drawn stitch together that's replaced with with the scenes and outs probably all computer animated if you will.

[00:30:50] I wonder if there's something kind of be learned there but I don't know man like it's it's it's it I'm confident that they will.

[00:30:58] find a resolution because basically films and TV everything through an excreach to a halt the one thing I run clean off that did not screech to haught there's a Disney plus show that was announced called echo it was based upon a character that was in the Hawkeye series and it was introduced as the protagonist.

[00:31:22] was announced as a standalone Disney plus show. Early early returns were not great at one point in time they were going to dump them all and launch them all right around Thanksgiving time which was kind of a not the fact like a.

[00:31:41] I'm going to put these all at the same time so there isn't continued like browsing about how not great this is and then be we're in do it around Thanksgiving time and hope that you forget about it right.

[00:31:55] and at one point in there is going to cancel it into take the tax right off all of. and then they will come to that bottom what are we going to do about it as well will look back neutral.

[00:32:05] or that one but now they are going to release it because there is a there is a dry well of content and so they're reducing from seven five episodes. plus standards of MCU content, if you will. But that's how desperate they are.

[00:32:21] It's a whole flee, hopefully all this means it will get to a resolution rather quickly because the, you know, the, the production companies need the talent and the talent needs production company and they just need to like come to a reasonable inferiority.

[00:32:37] Oh, what's I optimistic that they'll do? Yeah, for sure, for sure. And at the time of release, if you're listening to this, the week it releases, San Diego Comic Con is on the verge of not happening. So it starts the 20th of July

[00:32:56] and notably this year, all the major studios pulled out of their haul H appearances which haul H for those who aren't familiar. haul H is that's where the big things happen. That's where the, the big trailers are premiered. That's where the big panels are,

[00:33:16] that where they, they make the casting announcements and aware where all the everything you see out of Comic Con essentially is from haul H. And so all the major studios have pulled out of haul H this year which I think is a direct result of the writer strike.

[00:33:39] I think it's just there's nothing there. There's no trailers to premiere. They don't want to book it, right? Because if the actors go on strike, they're not going to be able to, they're not going to be able to have signed new contracts

[00:33:55] and there's some actors that are also, the, the guild is not doing a sympathy strike with the writers but there are actors who are sympathy striking and are of their own volition to do that. And so they, you know,

[00:34:13] they can't go sign new contracts and we have all these rumors about who's going to be in fantastic. Four who's going to be in deadpool, all this stuff that it would be great to hear about but also right now it's just, they can't.

[00:34:30] There's no way that they could make those announcements right now which is just interesting. And I do, to some degree feel bad for Comic Con because it has been struggling since the pandemic from my understanding. And so it is painful to see that corporate greed strikes again

[00:34:54] and it ends up with kind of the fans getting hurt at the end of the day. And yeah, I mean, the actors and writers are ultimately being hurt. I don't blame that. I want to be very, very specific. Yeah, the, the, yeah, I think it's, like it's tough.

[00:35:15] I think that you have, at the end of the day you have two groups that have the same goal which is we want to create movies in TV, right? That's how you get paid, that's how we get paid, right? The part that diverges is,

[00:35:32] you know what, you've got the, the AMP, PTP which is the Alliance of Motion, Pictros and Telvis superstructures and they negotiate on behalf of the studios and Amazon Apple and Disney, Netflix, all those other ones, the NBC. And there's a divergence there where the, the, where the,

[00:35:55] AMP, PTP and the, and the, and the, separate because you, you figure out like it becomes this kind of competitive, you can't both win at this kind of situation. I don't think, I think that, and what I've seen from the, I've not seen the close reading

[00:36:12] of what the sag is asked for but the WGA, like it all seems fairly reasonable. I think that, you know, and the, I was just while you were talking, it was like the news and it looks like the, they called in like an 11th hour mediation,

[00:36:29] today's kind of the final stroke, looks like the sag is not looking to extend the timeframe. So by the time we're done recording and this thing gets saved into the vaults, sag will probably be on strike, which is kind of a bummer, but hopefully having the two guilds

[00:36:48] on strike at the same time will actually expedite and bring people to the table. Yeah. For sure, for sure. Um, cool. Well, let's see here. Let's move on. I got really down a rabbit all this week and a couple of weeks ago,

[00:37:10] we did some reporting about release dates moving around and I talked a little bit about, you know, what does that look like for content per year, content per phase? You know, what, what does that look like? And I got really curious about that.

[00:37:28] And I guess actually what spurred this curiosity first was a little bit of a peek behind the curtain here, I have documents to plan out like everything about this show, about P&E thought. And David knows this because I texted him about it. I got,

[00:37:52] I don't want to say bored, but I got interested in, you know, how far does P&E pod go? So right now just to give you guys kind of a idea of what our plans are. Our plan is to cover everything that is done

[00:38:16] by it gets harder and harder because I've described this subset of the content. But I'm gonna say everything that is explicitly Marvel Studios, I think that also includes some stuff that we're not doing, but basically everything that started, every all the movies and then everything that

[00:38:41] started on Disney+. So when I broke that down to give you, to give the listeners an idea of what the next few years look like for P&E pod. Phase two goes through January of 2024, we just talked about that on the phase one or wrap up show.

[00:39:03] Phase three goes from March of 2024 until January of 2025, and then where it gets really crazy is when we get to phase four. So the way I have it set up is content hours for the main show should be pretty consistent. We'll watch three episodes of a TV show

[00:39:34] there about hour-long TV shows, about three hours of content we got a consume. That's also the max time that a shit movie would take. Trying to equal it out a little bit there. So if we're watching it at a clip of three episodes per,

[00:39:53] main three episodes of TV per main episode, phase four will take us from March of 2025 in tell, wait for it. I got to scroll some more. All the way until May of 2027. That assumes the world is still alive. Yeah, okay.

[00:40:26] And then phase five is July of 27 through March of 28. So you guys have some puny pod to listen to you all the way till 2028. Have no fear we'll be here. So your basically take everything from 2008 on. That's not that did not appear on Netflix or ABC or Hulu.

[00:40:59] Correct, correct. Yep. So yeah, you have puny pod until 2028 with the current releases and that goes through Echo. So there'll be more right deadpool will come out. There's a lot of move. There's a bunch in the hopper that'll come out and we'll extend that bus.

[00:41:21] So I don't have to watch electric it. I don't want to know. I mean, we'll get to that a little bit when we talk about deadpool here in a second. But um but this led to another really deep dive that I did and I got

[00:41:38] I got crazy about this and and I David David like looked at this spreadsheet because I added it to our show notes and David's like, dude, did you build that or did someone else?

[00:41:49] I was like, I did and I will post the charts that came out of this to illustrate what I'm about to talk about. I'll put that on our socials next Tuesday. So if you want a visual representation of what I'm about to talk through,

[00:42:05] check out our socials, puny pod and you can check out what I'm talking through here. But um so what I did a couple of episodes of the of this show of Buntly Buglego we talked about you know are we faltering?

[00:42:25] Is there less content or are they giving us more content? What does that look like? So initially what I did is I analyzed everything from 2008 and beyond that is either a movie or a Disney plus original. So nothing from ABC, nothing from Hulu, nothing from Netflix,

[00:42:45] throw all those out right? And so that was my initial analysis and you see here that basically every phase, it has kind of climbed. So phase one was about 770 minutes phase two, 786 minutes. So pretty close but a little bit more phase three

[00:43:08] about doubled that up to about 1500 minutes phase four which is where we introduce the Disney plus shows. Double that again jumping up to about 3400 minutes and then phase five which there's some assumptions in here. I did assume for basically full hour

[00:43:32] long episodes for every episode of the announced length of these shows. Phase five is running right now is looking like it's gonna run at about just over 4,000 minutes of content. So you see this kind of ramping up when you're just looking at

[00:43:56] the movies and the Disney plus originals. Now I also wanted to look at this here by year right because we hear a lot about superhero fatigue, we hear a lot about oh they're cutting back on projects that's sort of thing.

[00:44:13] And that that sort of tracks if you look at it year by year but not really. So essentially just about every year since 2010 we have been seeing increased amounts of content coming out of the movies or Disney plus.

[00:44:36] In tell 2020 something weird happened in 2020 and like nothing was released. I don't know what happened. But nothing was released on Disney plus originals or as far as movies into 2020. And then you jump up to 2021 where now we have over 2,000 minutes of content released in

[00:44:57] 2021 goes back down for 22 23 24 is going to jump back up a largely in part largely thanks to Daredevil. Daredevil is set to be a long series. I think the longest yet I don't have

[00:45:14] the episode count in front of me right now but it's a long series assuming for 60 minutes and episode it's going to be a big chunk of content. So you see as the TV shows get out of it in that

[00:45:30] spikes are content. So what that got me to thinking is what would happen if I analyzed it with all of what I would call side projects is what I labeled them as. And so these are the ABC shows. So ABC shows for context here,

[00:45:51] the shows that have been released on ABC are agents of shield primarily that's the biggest piece of this. Agent Carter had two seasons. In humans had one season and I think that's all for ABC.

[00:46:10] Hmm. Um, Hulu had cloaken dagger and the runaways runaways was recently in the news because it was removed from Disney plus and Hulu was removed during the purge which is unfortunate and it

[00:46:25] does reference to the events of the MCU. The MCU never references the runaways but the runaways referenced the events of the MCU. So and cloaken dagger referenced the runaways so by proxy there in the MCU or they could be considered part of this greater universe right.

[00:46:47] And then I also did not consider the Netflix shows. The Netflix shows are the defenders. So you have iron fist, just con Jones, power man, Luke Cage, daredevil and then punish her

[00:47:03] got his own show. So a lot of content there that was on Netflix, it's all on Disney plus I believe now. So when you add those things in this is where it gets really interesting and I think there is some

[00:47:23] truth to them hitting a peak and backing back off of it. So when you add those in you have phase one, there was none of that so you still all they have 700 ish minutes. Phase two goes up to

[00:47:40] almost 6,500 minutes so 6,500 ish minutes. Phase three jumps all the way up to 13,000 minutes of content. Which is a huge jump up to phase three. Phase four dips almost exactly down by 10,000 minutes. You drop about 10,000 minutes from phase three to phase four. Phase five is back

[00:48:08] up to about 4,000 minutes of content. So you do see this remarkable peak in phase three and that's because agents of shield was largely contained within phase three. That's where a lot of it took place.

[00:48:26] And so you do see, you do see them go up and then back down. Now I do want to also be clear. Why this is kind of a side project and why it's weird in like does it actually happen in the

[00:48:40] canon uses characters from the movies but during that time the way that Marvel was structured was these TV projects were actually under the Marvel entertainment arm which is the comics and home goods.

[00:48:57] As you may recall this was run by Ike Pearl Mutter who just got laid off from Disney a couple months ago. So this was not run by Kevin Feige. Kevin Feige had some fingers in it but not directly

[00:49:14] in these TV shows so they were they're weird. They they reference some things about the MCU the MCU never references them but there there is some references to what's going on in the MCU

[00:49:28] across all of these shows even the Netflix shows. The Netflix shows all take place in New York after the Battle of New York and reference things about the Battle of New York. And eventually

[00:49:40] we do see them come back in right Deadpool or not Deadpool sorry. Daredevil is back in with she-hulk and there's been rumors about Jessica Jones coming back and some various things like that.

[00:49:55] Really you know separate there but outside of the phase to put this to human years right because that's also really interesting to look at. You do see again a remarkable peak and fall back off

[00:50:10] so 2013 we started to see agents of shield start to come out. That's where we crashed up over a thousand minutes a year. 2015 and 16 we get close to three thousand minutes a year. 2017 and 18 you are close to if not over four thousand minutes of content released in those years.

[00:50:38] To put that in hours I don't have this in front of me so you're gonna hear me type here for a second. 4,000 minutes of content is 66 hours. 66 hours. So what is that three days?

[00:50:59] So basically I quit my job. Yeah yeah I could bang this out in a week. To keep up with to keep up with 66 hours of of content in here and you know that's spread out right

[00:51:13] there's a movie here movie there TV show here weekly TV show there whatever but you can understand where the claims to superhero fatigue come from once you actually see those numbers in front of you

[00:51:26] of like we have as much released in that in the year 2018 you have as many hours of content released just in that single year as you do in the entirety of phase five.

[00:51:45] So I would say so it's it's um first of all it's an impressive and research to grind. I was a little bit a little bit for you. I just because I know how much time and to research get all this data into like

[00:51:59] fact check it and put in like it's it's a lot. I think I think that the studios the the superhero fatigue I don't I take I take slight issue with that only in the sense that I don't think there's

[00:52:19] there's definitely some subset of folks that are super hard out. When you look at the blockbusters every year when you look at the shows that are most reviewed the podcast everything it's like

[00:52:30] it's a lot of stuff in fandom right don't I don't disprove that and so you have smaller independent films and other really great content that gets kind of drowned out by these you know big marble DC and other you know other studio ten-pole projects if you will

[00:52:47] but I would say that for the I don't know hundreds of hours of agent Carter or Jessica Jones or the Disney play shows we're talking about you know like the casual viewer doesn't have to really

[00:53:03] watch it if they don't want to you know now the part that I do I do empathize with is like for someone who is watching maybe they're coming and watching like doctor strange,

[00:53:15] multitudes madness and they have not seen one division they're probably like what is going on here like or if you're you know watching the new Captain America and you're like hey what happened to

[00:53:29] the Chris Evans dude what happened it that guy right like so I get some of that but I do feel like the extra hours are for the enthusiasts or like yeah I'll watch all this stuff now watch multiple times

[00:53:45] post podcast about it right like and so it doesn't it doesn't feel like it's extra for me you know yeah but I the other thing I will say in the part that I think might be difficult times is

[00:53:57] when you have too much content like it's kind of like trying to find on movie on Netflix like the the UI is terrible and it's you can't find stuff until you you revert off of time to the

[00:54:09] stuff you're familiar with and so finding that content and having giving it its moment kind of shine and get some sort of like attention except it's that part I think is that that part I think is

[00:54:19] tough at times yeah yeah and I and I think I think we are getting closer to a better balance right I think less less content but more meaningful content it feels like the better balance to me like

[00:54:39] better production more meaning like it ties together better I think that that is the that's I would much rather watch a thousand minutes in the year of all content that is leading the same

[00:54:58] place right and that's kind of where we're at now is you know we're we're watching movies we're watching TV shows that are all leading to the same end then trying to keep up on

[00:55:12] 4,000 minutes of content yeah that maybe some of it doesn't matter right maybe some of it it is just auxiliary BS and I do want to give a quick shout out I'm sure this person won't hear it

[00:55:27] but in the in the sense of integrity I do want to cite a really recent a really great resource that I used so I found a Reddit thread created by user yxkeu oh in the daredevil or I'm sorry

[00:55:45] in the defender subreddit which they went in and they created a phenomenal a phenomenal resource a Google doc that gave me a lot of the runtimes that I used for this and they also have a lot more

[00:56:04] analysis as far as like release platforms and some other stuff like that so I would say go check out there their research it's also really great but yeah I think the the point of this story is like

[00:56:18] we did hit a peak the MCU definitely hit that peak and I think they're getting it right I think yes there is truth to there being less content I don't know if it's a larmist I don't know that you

[00:56:32] need to be alarmed about it I guess there's a lot of like oh my god the MCU's failing they're doing less content right sure they're doing less content but I don't think it's reason to be alarmed yeah

[00:56:44] I think it's I think it's you know after you know free 2020 and after 2020 when this you know the I kind of equated to the streaming wars like that just changed everything and how

[00:57:01] you know the number TV used to be a certain way now it's way different now the you have the Amazon's and Apple's and others are creating content and they're creating content before

[00:57:10] enough looks as well and so I think now I think they're just trying to figure out how best to like catalog create monetize like what's the right balance if you will not everything has to be

[00:57:25] interrelated and or which is fantastic in so many ways works as a standalone star wars piece and you don't have to know anything about star wars and you can approach it and watch it enjoy it

[00:57:38] and I would hope that Disney does that for the MCU and other properties so somebody who's a casual viewer doesn't there you know they haven't seen anything the 30 movies in they're like okay so I've got to watch 30 movies and listen to these knuckleheads talk

[00:57:53] about these podcasts for two hours and episode like I'm not gonna do it right like so to be able to have things where people can jump in and that was one of the beautiful things about comic books

[00:58:02] you can kind of jump in whenever and read forward and then read backward and kind of find what you like and it's easy to jump around I think it's just a little more difficult to do that with

[00:58:11] content very true very true very true and I I will give shots out to the Sony Spyderverse movies they do a really good job of making it rewarding if you are an uber nerd that's

[00:58:29] I actually just watched it watching across the Spyderverse this weekend with my wife if you listen to this part during the spoiler warning you are any of that but it is very rewarding for me from

[00:58:46] oh I know all those things that was a deep cut it was also very rewarding for my wife who doesn't read the comics and it's like that was just a really good movie like and so I think that's

[00:59:00] that's where you have to land and you hit the nail on the head David and I was listening to the this weekend marvel podcast and they talked a little bit about that challenge of like

[00:59:12] very truthfully the idea with a comic and if anybody out there is listening to this right now and hasn't read a comic before and you're worried about how am I gonna catch up on a thousand

[00:59:24] issues of Spyderman you don't have to buy this week's read it if you like it keep buying it and that is the way that comics are set up the challenges movies and shows are not set up that way

[00:59:40] and it is is more challenging to set it up that way I think like you said David that was that was a really good point I think that's the biggest challenge with comic book movies is just the

[00:59:53] nature of the media that the two are yeah but you know you could do I don't know I think that what if was a good a good example of how you can generate content what if was a quirky little

[01:00:08] comic book that you and I both read more younger than which is how these kind of weird you know apprentices if you will run the MCU and they created a bunch of fun episodes and some of it

[01:00:19] is you know you will see in future movies but other ones are just like it's a system to see in one thing I think if they explore more things like that I think they'll find the right balance

[01:00:30] for sure for sure well from here let's talk about one last new story it's been dominating the Marvel sphere because while we are a talked about how the writers are on strike and so

[01:00:46] the only thing that you can film is something where you don't see someone's face and you can just do the whole thing in ADR afterwards and so you filming right now is Deadpool 3 and my god there has been a

[01:01:03] deluge of content come out about Deadpool 3 Robert Downey Jr was seen on the set apparently so Jason from years up he thinks that Marvel has handheld EMPs to knock out drones I guess they don't have those on the Deadpool 3 set because man are their pictures coming out from

[01:01:31] that set I hope he's I hope he's recreating his Sherlock character that'd be fantastic I you know what Deadpool would be the place to get the would be the place where Benedict Cumberbatch and Robert Downey

[01:01:48] Jr are in a scene together and say no language Sherlock. Pretty great but yeah so is Iron Man gonna come back we don't know we saw some set footed or some set pictures that included a background

[01:02:09] of a giant like version and life size version of the 21st century fox logo like crumbled to the ground that like it's the logo that's like got the search lights in front of it when you watch a

[01:02:25] movie that's like crumbled to the ground in Deadpool and Wolverine are fighting in front of it Wolverines in his awesome blue and yellow suit comic accurate suit we also saw that Electra Jennifer Gardner

[01:02:41] is going to join the cast as Electra to join a rumored cameo from Ben Affleck as Daredevil and a rumored return to the human torch from Chris Evans basically right now it's a

[01:03:02] it's also really cool there's really cool stuff coming out from it and I think where all is going what it all culminates to me is I think that they may be creating one of my more favorite one off-comic

[01:03:16] series which is Deadpool kills the Marvel universe where Deadpool is going he goes one by one killing Marvel heroes and villains it's literally everyone he's killing he's trying to kill everyone in the

[01:03:31] universe and then in the very last pages of the comics jumps out of the comics and goes and kills the writers room for Marvel like literally goes to the real world yeah and it kills off all the

[01:03:47] writers yeah and it's really fun and I my theory right now my I'm going to put this to wax and I I'm not the only person to have said this I will say I privately said it before

[01:04:09] straw hat goofy went and said it on TikTok but I did hear him say it as well so my guess is that they're going to recreate that they're going to redo Marvel kills the Deadpool kills the Marvel

[01:04:24] universe I think they do Deadpool kills the fox Marvel universe and that is how they wrap that's how they put a wrap on the the the Fox universe is Deadpool goes kills all the X man he kills

[01:04:39] he kills Daredevil he kills Electra he kills both sets of fantastic fours and you know there's probably going to be something funny there because Wolverines notoriously hard to kill so there's there's going to be moments of levity with Wolverine kind of like figuring out like

[01:05:01] Deadpool trying to figure out how to kill Wolverine and I think it'll be a really good time if you're telling me that there is even a slight chance that Deadpool will kill America's favorite actor Nicholas Cage in his role as Hellwriter I will drive for the

[01:05:21] movie set tomorrow and fly a drone so I can capture my own personal footage you forget Nick Cage said he doesn't need the MCU so don't don't don't don't don't want to produce man like

[01:05:35] it's a fun premise I think the idea of brain action of a garnered bring bring back you know bring back the band I think is fun and it would be a kind of a cool way to do it that could be

[01:05:51] I mean that could be a few movies quite frankly there's a lot of characters and yeah I don't think you know I not to nerd out too much I don't think Deadpool's killing the xman

[01:06:04] I'm sorry yeah there's definitely some funny ways that he goes about to I think in the comics he killed the Avengers using bombs made out of pin particles but yeah it's definitely there like

[01:06:25] definitely those notoriously hard to kill people get some shine in the like in the comics as far as how hard it is to kill them and even at one point he like if I remember right he kills like

[01:06:45] galactis yeah yeah I just I don't know killing fully formed Phoenix I mean come on like this haha yeah well um that that's really the news right now there there's really not much else I'll

[01:07:03] I'll just give a quick plug there and I know David's really excited about this and but he's staying away from news about it so I don't want to say too much but Rogers the musical

[01:07:15] did open at Disney's California Adventure if you aren't going to be able to make it out to California and go to Rogers the musical by what did they say October I think is when it closes

[01:07:30] September I think I think it's gonna be permanent or they're gonna extend for a time that's my guess my guess is this was kind of a test and it's been massively popular I've been seeing that the virtual cues are like

[01:07:42] going every day within seconds like it's very very popular but if you can't get out there the good news is Disney has been pretty loose pretty loose with their recording policy and so there are a ton a ton of full watch throughs out there from like pretty reputable

[01:08:06] YouTube channels too like ordinary adventures is a pretty big one in the Disney parks world and they have a full watch through there there's several full watch through that there so

[01:08:16] if you're not gonna make it out there you can at least enjoy the show I did watch it and again David's avoiding spoilers so I'm not gonna say too much other than it is really really fun

[01:08:27] there is a ton of Easter eggs in it so watching it at home where you can pause and look at the like advertisements in the background and that sort of thing really really great

[01:08:37] uh totally worth it so if you if you can't make it out there go watch it at home even if you could make it out there and you want to catch all the Easter eggs again watch it at home there's a

[01:08:47] ton of YouTube's out there that have it but um but yeah I think that covers all the the news that's fit to cover uh so I already mentioned our our socials in the episodes so I'm not gonna

[01:09:00] make you sit through that again um do check out this or the ears up podcast network discord always in our show notes um and other than that thank y'all for listening make sure you check your

[01:09:14] feed in a couple weeks for our episode on the best Christmas movie there is Iron Man 3 and I think that does it for us so as we always sit at the end of these episodes not said