Puny Pod | Monthly Bugle April '23

[00:00:02] Welcome to Puny Pod's Monthly Bugle April 23, I'm Ryan and my co-host is David David. How's it going today? I am doing fantastic. I am on vacation but here to record and talk about Marvel news. How are you doing my man?

[00:00:16] I'm doing great. Look at that dedication man. Like you know, I think this is what the third episode that you're recording on the road. I didn't want to admit that I'm homeless but now we're just taking a short local trip. So we've family headed down to

[00:00:37] We've based in the San Francisco Bayer app and we went to Palm Springs for just for a few days to get out of the cold and the rain that was in the Bayer for so long

[00:00:46] It's nice for staying a turns out we're staying at a historical home that nobody knew when we rented this place It was owned by Mary Pickford who was a silent screen actress huge one of the you know top in that point time. Mary did Douglas Fairbanks

[00:01:02] and because we're walking around it's like, how's a lot of pictures that Mary Pickford in here? Like when we talk to one of that is.

[00:01:12] And as we look it up and take us you know lived here for a short period of time while she was married to Douglas Fairbanks.

[00:01:20] But so you know you get a line of funds from information and just how many movies she was in I was mentioning before the podcast.

[00:01:27] And like one year she was like in 51 movies in a year. And they think Marvel does a lot. I was going to say hey Chris Evans, to crime your river about your six picture deal. She's banging out a film a week.

[00:01:40] That's wild. That is wild man. Well and and I have to say this here at the time of recording we're just a couple days past your birthday so happy birthday buddy. I'll thanks. I appreciate it. We're happy to celebrate the anniversary of my twin-eth末. Again, that's cool.

[00:01:57] There you go. There you go. All right. Well this is the monthly bugle. So if you're expecting us to talk about a movie really in depth for two hours you came to the wrong show.

[00:02:09] No, this is our news podcast. So we're just going to go through some news real quick here and talk about it and that's sort of thing.

[00:02:19] So one of the segments that we want to have on this this news show is kind of a quick hit review and David we cannot give into our base instincts and start breaking it down.

[00:02:31] But a quick hit review of what's out right now, right? What have we seen lately in the MCU and I know as of our last recording this movie was out. I had seen it. You had not yet but

[00:02:45] Well Antman Quantamania has released. I really really enjoyed this movie. I thought Modak was like perfectly funny weird. Cassie Lang was a really cool addition and I think one of the better like not trying to be not a kid, I guess.

[00:03:10] Because like I think like Spiderman a lot of times is caught up in being trying to be an adult where it's Cassie kind of got to be a kid which was kind of fun.

[00:03:18] But yeah, what do you think of the movie? I enjoyed it as well. I think we should preface by saying that in the review of this movie we're going to spoil a little bit spoil a few things.

[00:03:29] But not give way huge huge pot points and we're not going to break down and see him by seeing and then some of the news will also might get into a little bit into spoilery stuff because it's kind of current stuff. We can't really

[00:03:39] close our eyes pretend like we're still in 2011 watching these films for the first time but I really enjoyed the film. I think that there was a lot of criticism that came on the movie.

[00:03:49] So when I before I had seen it, I didn't want to read any obviously any spoilers or need like deep plot reviews.

[00:03:56] But saw that the rotting tomato scores were not fantastic so I was like all right well, let's let's yeah and I enjoyed it more than I thought it would.

[00:04:05] I think if I were to I would read, I thought that I could have used more Jonathan majors as Kang thought he was great. Yeah.

[00:04:14] Eventually, Lily was kind of sort of oddly and moving and sort of oddly not like she was kind of like flying for a scene and then fly out. I was just like, were you just on the set for like four days? Like what's going on?

[00:04:26] But I did like I did like the relationship I did like the the family feeling between the the four. I just it was it was a it was a it was a fun movie.

[00:04:41] I think the ratings and everyone who's like kind of giving a lot of grief, I think that might be more directed towards quantum mania and kind of quote the weird sci-fi stuff as opposed to the

[00:04:55] I just want my Aunt man bank heist let's run around San Francisco version of the movie. Wholeheartedly agree, wholeheartedly agree and I think we'll get into this I think it'll fit in really well with one of our news stories later on.

[00:05:11] Definitely an interesting place in the MCU where like these stories are are weird and and I think we're seeing the effects of that so yeah.

[00:05:24] Well as we am in one of the future episodes will talk a little bit that there was a I've son article was looking at the rankings and the different phases and there was a question about whether like.

[00:05:34] You know are we are we seeing the end from our fault these kind of click baby garbage kind of article but it was interesting to see how.

[00:05:42] I'm rotten tomato scores which not necessarily like critique average review scores seem to be trending down just a little bit but it'll be interesting to see how we as we further progress through the MCU assuming we ever get to it.

[00:05:56] I'm sure sure for sure. All right well moving on into our current events news segment so looking here at the news.

[00:06:10] One of the one of the things that's right on the the horizon right now at the time of recording and actually I guess at the time of release because we'll release this in a couple days after record it.

[00:06:21] Is guardians of the galaxy volume three is coming out right so really excited for that. And on May 3rd they're putting together a marathon of all the the guardians movies so far so.

[00:06:43] That's that's two movies I think three movies culminating in your your volume three but really cool to see you know that and it got me thinking right so looking at the MCU as a whole they did this for Thor.

[00:07:01] So the last summer when Thor love and thunder came out they did what they called the goat trade or the goat the greatest of all four marathon and so.

[00:07:12] That one you know was about seven hours long it had all the four movies which hey we just watched what of them go back and listen to our episode on Thor.

[00:07:24] But really fun you know kind of way to re up yourself obviously we really like re watching these things so got me thinking what. Marvel franchises. Would you do. Like I guess you David here's a question for you what.

[00:07:50] Like if this were to to be done for any of the heroes which hero like what heroes would you pick to go back and re watch okay fantastic for done keep going.

[00:08:01] Now um the the the I just want to pause I just want to go back to the Thor marathon so that we're talking for movies.

[00:08:10] Yeah that that is a commitment that is a long day and I do I understand that they had a reward that if you could go the end.

[00:08:18] If you could go the entire eight hours without a bathroom break you would win your own many me older which I thought was pretty pretty cool. And then they're also happened to have a cap where yes it's also bladder it's fun it's fun.

[00:08:35] So my god I pro butter we got to put it. I'm not worthy. What you're not. I mean I'll think about that one.

[00:08:54] But I would say that I've never attended one of these I do a I like the idea of just hanging out for a while like a roadhouse or some other place feed up food beverage it sounds like a great time.

[00:09:10] I counted if we're just talking to him see I counted six films that had at least three six six IP characters that had at least three films right so you have ant man you know vendors you have Captain America Ironman Spider man and Thor.

[00:09:30] We've already seen Thor and so that one's out I would say I mean I think Avengers is the easy call but I wouldn't mind a Captain America I wouldn't mind just seeing how that character evolves from day one skinny kid Brooklyn all the way throughout that would probably my first choice how about you absolutely yeah I think I think Captain America would be really interesting especially.

[00:09:55] I think what's really interesting with Captain America in particular is the next movie is going to be. Is going to be Sam Wilson as as Captain America so you get to see a development all the way from you know skinny kid in Brooklyn all of our.

[00:10:19] Times all of our time with with Steve Rogers and then we move into Anthony Mackey as as. Falcon who becomes Captain America so. Really would be cool to see that one I think that one probably is the most like intriguing from like a paying attention to it standpoint.

[00:10:41] I think the most interesting to me from like just a fun to watch standpoint would probably be Spider man. I love Ironman but like I don't know where I mean one I don't know when we're going to get another Ironman movie to you know I think.

[00:11:00] His movies are I said this I think during the Ironman to episode his solo movies aren't his his best times as as Ironman and so you know he's far more interesting in Avengers.

[00:11:15] So I think Spider man just seeing Tom Holland in all three of his Spider man movies plus whatever the next one is will be really interesting. I saw an article this week was researching that was trying to say.

[00:11:34] That like it was trying to capture the movies from outside Marvel studios that are now MCU cannon.

[00:11:45] And that got me thinking about I was thinking about that during this discussion of a marathon because like what that includes based in their basing this solely on like recasting right who's coming back right so Deadpool right so Deadpool wanted to Ryan Reynolds is coming back in Deadpool three.

[00:12:08] Which then also we have Hugh Jackman coming into Deadpool three which that ropes in the entire X man franchise into the MCU as cannon. Spider man has featured villains and Spider men from all the.

[00:12:32] From all the live action Spider man movies so now all the Sam Ramey and the amazing Spider men are all. Cannon. Netflix right Daredevil like Kingpin all those seem to be kind of teetering on the same cannon but I think they're in now as well so.

[00:12:55] Yeah, yeah that what's interesting with Netflix is like they were in because they reference like the Battle of New York and things like that and then they got kicked out of cannon.

[00:13:07] I think that was just for use of writing there was some like there was like at some comic corner something fight he said hey this is you know their great stories but they're not part of our story.

[00:13:18] And now with Charlie Cox coming back and now there's talk of the punisher coming back as well and. I think I heard I heard rumors of just about everybody other than.

[00:13:33] Iron fist coming back at some point in the like Daredevil stuff so that that would rope that all back into cannon which is kind of funny that it just kind of zigzag like that. I hope this means we're going to get Nicholas Cage is how right our back.

[00:13:52] Come on now it's.

[00:13:55] Oh man oh man so yeah I mean I would definitely go see a Spider man even even an extended Spider man marathon I mean that would be brutal I and this is me who I've watched all three extended Lord of the Rings in like one day which that's.

[00:14:12] That is brutal I think that's 12 hours of movies but. That was also in the comfort of my own home where I could you know. Pause it get up go pee go get food whatever. Take a wellness nap get back to right totally. Cool so yeah yeah again.

[00:14:35] All three guardians of the galaxy movies so the first one that was kind of our intro to the Guardians and then volume two which was. Guardians versus ego which was a really I thought was really fun and then it culminates with our. Upcoming third. Guardians of the galaxy.

[00:14:59] Will involve the high evolutionary and Adam more luck. A lot of I think a lot of story lines are going to pay off there's also rumors that this is the last. It might be announced that this is the last guardians of the galaxy movie as such so.

[00:15:20] You know interesting to see see where that goes for sure here in a couple weeks.

[00:15:24] I think it's hard for it's hard for me to imagine the guardians without James gun so I tend to think this will be the last standalone guardians movie I do think we will see characters in future.

[00:15:37] Properties I also think that we'll see at least one or two characters killed off so I was I will ask you this just. Give me we're going to do a little draft here who up people who characters we think in the Guardians will be.

[00:15:51] I think that's a really good chance of getting killed off because it's the highlight evolutionary is the main villain. That's kind of his storyline and I could see it kind of coming to.

[00:16:15] Peak and you know maybe a sacrificial thing or all we all go down together type of thing happening I could definitely see it being rocket. I don't think it'll be I don't think it'll be groups already kill him off once.

[00:16:32] I think it'll be tracks personally for a couple reasons one. Dave Batista has already gone on record as bristling and we're going to get to behind the scenes drama at Marvel in a second. But when James gun was originally kind of pushed to the side because of

[00:16:49] some old tweets he did, he stood up, he and others stood up for him. And I remember reading somewhere where he's just kind of tired of the Marvel thing where I do some new stuff. And so I think he would be my first choice.

[00:17:01] The reason I don't think rock it will is because you don't really have to pay an actor. That's fair. Right, like it's just VFX and you know plug in another voice if what's an end is when it comes back. Yeah, I've Bradley Cooper says he's a real.

[00:17:16] Yeah, that's fair. That's super fair. Yeah, I think meta reasons. I, there is something, like if I was thinking about it for like outside the movie like non-story reasons, there's something that absolutely astonishes me with

[00:17:33] the fact that Chris Pratt has come out as Scott Shree as he has from all of his stuff that's going on. And so, as much as I would love to say goodbye, Chris Pratt, I don't think we will.

[00:17:49] But don't we, Chris Pratt would have been a high draft choice. So if I were ranking them, I would say Dave Bhatt used to slash drafts number one, so I would say, I would say Chris Pratt number two to be honest.

[00:18:06] And then after that, I think those are the top two in my mind that are most likely to be killed out. I think they're any kill off someone just for the dramatic significance and also to let aside some of the doesn't want to be in the franchise anymore.

[00:18:19] That's fair. So, that is fair. Well, David, you want to get on to your next story? So, speaking of departures voluntarily and involuntarily. There's been a lot of shake up in the MCU specifically that Marvel Studio.

[00:18:39] So one of the big stories which came out recently, which I think a lot of folks might have perhaps seen but it looks like a lot of top executives have been let go from Marvel. So Marvel recently announced that Victoria Lanzo, who was the head of physical production,

[00:18:59] post-production VFX animation. Very high up. She was the president of all that was a breply leco. She reported it to the CEO and she evident was blindsided by the news. So there was a lot of scuddle but why was she let go? This seems kind of quick.

[00:19:23] There have been whispers and stories for a long period of time about drama that would occur. You've got all these Marvel properties. You have people who are animating all these things, so I have no idea what's going on in

[00:19:37] terms of like, okay, I'm animating Ant-Man doing this, things were very rushed. A lot of pressure on deadlines because Marvel did slash Disney were trying to watch things by certain dates. Now we are seeing certain things back up in being postponed.

[00:19:52] So wondering if all the stuff is related? But evidently it was a, other things also to Disney claims that she was fired because we breached of contract because of her production work on Argentine 1985 which is a non-Disney film. Her team claims that she had permission to do it.

[00:20:13] Without knowing any of the players involved, I have to believe that if I have a contract with a movie studio that I'm going to ask for permission before I do something like this. Am I company if I want to do like a side gig?

[00:20:25] I got to get permission because if they find out that I'm hustling driving Uber at nighttime, they're not going to be too happy. So the other thing evidently there was also some conflict related to queer issues within the company.

[00:20:40] So Alanta who is gay reportedly clashed with Disney, there was a scene in the Antman in the Wasque on a man who had to blur out a shop window that had a pride flag if I remember correctly.

[00:20:52] She also came to smoke out against then CEO Bob Chapek at the glad awards for Disney's reaction that don't say gay bill and that at that point she was no longer doing press.

[00:21:04] So there's been a lot of dust up, there were a lot of rumors and then I can't find everything out last three weeks because now I figure it's just the attorneys who are talking one another and no one is leaking anymore stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's really man.

[00:21:27] That's one talking a little bit about the queer issues. It's so challenging and I mean I'll go ahead and mention this dance here just to put it on the air. I have it, I have it supporter of queer folks like that's a part of something that I care

[00:21:51] about a lot. And so I think what's interesting interacting with American cinema right now is that there is right now US box office makes you some money but where you're making the most money is international and to appease the largest international audiences, a lot of movie studios

[00:22:23] are kind of in this place where they have to dull down their representation to survive in those those marketplaces whether it's the Chinese market or the Saudi Arabian market or wherever and so I think it's challenging and I can imagine being a queer person

[00:22:43] in especially a leadership role and like having that directive come down that like hey the international release of this we notice there was a rainbow flag and one of the windows we got to blurred out.

[00:22:54] I don't recall that from seeing it right and I'm sure actually now that this is all come out I would bet that they figure out some way to either clean it up or you know

[00:23:05] maybe the worst the worst like corporate version of it is they highlight it right I think you know what where it will be interesting to see where this flag is here I think actually

[00:23:19] next week when quantum media drops on digital so yeah I think that that is a challenge and it is unfortunate to see that that be a piece of this for sure. Yeah I get the sense that most CEOs most companies from personal experience don't like

[00:23:45] real internal vocal like thought leaders if you all or don't like to be called out on certain things and so I can imagine the Disney and I showed the same sentiment as you we're not thrilled about it being done in public if you will.

[00:24:02] What I found interesting is that Alonso has retained and it turned out by the name of Patty Glazer who is also representing the producer Karen McCarthy who was fired after working on the acolyte as Star Wars Mystery Show for like 11 days and she was suddenly asked and so

[00:24:25] one I'm sure Disney is will soon be tired of Patty Glazer sitting in like legal demand letters and so forth and but this is what they've kind of brought upon themselves if you

[00:24:35] know we won't get into the acolyte one the fact there are a little bit different but basically there I understand like McCarthy had an understanding I don't think it's time like an MOU or

[00:24:47] or had some severe change but the thought was okay you're gonna be hard you're gonna you know as with all things Disney Marvel Star Wars you're gonna you know devote 100% of your time this project and then she was kind of abruptly let go claim she passed another

[00:25:00] things Disney claims that hey we never had a contract I again I haven't read all I don't know all the facts but it seems kind of weird to me that somebody's showing up for work for like a week

[00:25:12] and you're like you give them a badge and an email and all that stuff you're like oh no they're not employ like they just they've been there for two weeks whether go what's happening and obviously

[00:25:21] they're just there was a change in direction and they went let someone go and they're just trying to be cheap so yeah yeah yeah for sure other other news other executives being like a one which is not as

[00:25:36] controversial there's a person coming by the name of Isaac or Ike pro-meter who was a long time executive within uh within Disney I'm sorry on the Marvel side if you will yeah

[00:25:54] and decided on the Disney side decided not on the Disney side so he was vice chairman of Marvel from the early 2000s he became CEO in 2005 he reigns CEO after Disney required the company 2009 and he oversaw Marvel Studios up until 2015 when basically like Kevin Vaggy's like

[00:26:16] I don't want to work for the student anymore and it's either him or me and in 2015 all the Marvel stuff was taken away and you were saying that pro-meter was still like an executive

[00:26:29] but they basically gutted like what was responsible what he was responsible for reporting to him yeah I mean as much as I'm a comic book fan and and I love comic books right

[00:26:41] um what was under Ike when he let or by the time he got cut was consumer products so in March we all buy and then comic books um again I love comic books so this is not an indictment of

[00:26:57] whether a comic books by any means but um that's uh that is a miniscule arm at that point like consumer products probably actually I don't know the numbers I'm guessing here but I am guessing

[00:27:12] that consumer products probably was the bigger part of his job um which is you know realistically the biggest part is the movies the movies are are the cash cow right now for for Marvel and so this

[00:27:27] was kind of a hey yeah keep keep a few things I guess yeah yeah yeah yeah so I left in charge of like Spider-Man toothbrushes and some other stuff but loses the whole MCU I know tears lost

[00:27:41] as I from what I've read and understand this guy was the total jerk I don't know the story yeah he doesn't feel like pulling like one of the the stories that's stood out about him was he was

[00:27:53] pulling he would pull trash and like be great people for throwing away paper clips yeah like he so when some 2009 so so when the production so Marvel production budgets are tight it's early in MCU they've borrowed a ton of money from Marilynish and they're trying to make these

[00:28:12] these you know movies of people running around and tights and shooting things right which I'm sure how the bankers viewed it and basically he was one of the people behind evidently moving from Don Cheeto moving to Don Cheeto replacing Terrence Howard in the Isaac Rhodes character

[00:28:31] claiming quote black people all look the same no one's gonna notice yeah yeah so good riddance good riddance hike but I you figure like every every so often your company requires another company there's some people to hang around way too long everyone is just

[00:28:49] it doesn't want to deal with them evidently five you had huge issues and that's why you know and five you won and I guess you know rolling around on a pile of cash tomorrow but

[00:28:59] I think I think the more interesting part of the i-story is not necessarily that i- because so I got hit by the the layoffs right so if you paid attention to the Disney sphere at all right

[00:29:11] Bob Iger new old CEO came in said hey I'm gonna do 7,000 layoffs some of them were positions that were currently hiring he'd like closed a bunch of requisitions without hiring anyone from them and then some of them were actual

[00:29:29] axings right people losing their job and this is also part of a grander restructuring that that's going on at the company so outside of the marble world some of the things you may have heard about are like the Metaverse Division got cut which take it or leave it

[00:29:46] Disney has a weird relationship with technology which I could go on for a whole podcast about but that's not why you're here you hear to hear about marble I think the more interesting part of

[00:29:57] this is that i- as well as other people got hit by this reduction in force and it actually also served to move all the rest of marble so all the marble stuff that was kind of over here hanging

[00:30:13] out doing its own thing the comic books and the consumer products division was not under the direct control of marble studios this move moved those entities under the direct control of the leadership group at marble studios so it'll be really interesting to see you know looking back

[00:30:39] at the movies that have come out let's say past 2015 right you have faced three which is arguably the strongest phase of the MCU right that that's your civil war doctor strange guardians to spider man homecoming rag nerock black Panther like infinity war captain marvel and game

[00:31:01] far from home like those are you know big hits and and there's a lot that goes into it's not just that it it's not just that the MCU moved under Disney right like that's not

[00:31:15] that's not the whole why but i do think you know there's a lot of people there's a lot of double-sided reactions to this because there's like oh are my movies just going to become an

[00:31:27] extension or are the comics just going to become an extension of the movies which I don't think that will happen um i think i think it's it should be good i think the the marble studios folks know how to tell

[00:31:42] a story and they know how to put people in charge to tell those stories yeah i think it's i think we we've as we've seen from like the early films it's just like this delicate balancing act between

[00:31:53] the studio the creatives the director the actors if you will now as we think about it's the the the financial people as well and and trying to get the right balance of people so that like

[00:32:10] you know the i like promo those are the world or not you know counting pennies and trying to like you know drive creative decisions because it'll save some money right yeah for sure for sure so so speaking of um of creatives let's talk about uh production delays

[00:32:34] yeah yeah so i think last last monthly bugle we talked a little bit about the marbles had been pushed back at that time so marbles moved off of an augustate into november um but beyond that we have seen a lot more delays i guess so i want to

[00:33:00] preface this by saying we haven't seen necessarily announced delays but there are signals and so well i go through the story please understand that like i get what i'm about to share doesn't expressly say that there's a delay but but Ryan's an insider and he would he speaks

[00:33:22] i'm sure right now this is from out high yes exactly exactly so yeah lowkey so all of our Disney plus originals all had release windows right i think lowkey had a 2023 release window what if had an early 2023 release window

[00:33:47] i believe beyond that there there was also like iron heart and echo and a lot of of things coming to Disney plus that had these you know at least a year on their announcement

[00:34:03] all of this has shifted to a coming soon tack so we don't have release dates for many things in the marble world on Disney plus we did we did get a release date and we'll

[00:34:19] talk about this a little bit in the trailer park we did get a release date on a trailer um with uh first secret invasion um originally when i was researching a story secret invasion was even

[00:34:30] being lumped in here was like is that one even gonna come out this year um but realistically everything has been moved to this coming soon tag where instead of saying like hey it's coming out this year it's coming out next year everything got kind of pushed back

[00:34:49] Ryan i want you next time you have a deliverable at your work and your boss gives you a deadline as hey when are you gonna when are you gonna be done with that project just just respond back coming soon

[00:35:04] yeah yeah it's i think it's interesting um i i think uh what's what's interesting is they're still in production on a lot of this so i know echo is in production i've seen some

[00:35:19] set footage and stuff so echo is um a story we actually met echo in the hawk i series um on Disney plus um she's kind of the adoptive daughter of kingpin um we also have seen some production

[00:35:35] footage from daredevil born again um which that's gonna be huge like they they i feel like that that series has to sit on its own they can't release that at the same time they're releasing

[00:35:48] like a mandalori in or something in the star war side or anything like that i feel like daredevil is gonna be kind of their flagship for a season uh on Disney plus um agatha i haven't seen any

[00:36:02] production information about the agatha covenant of chaos i think i saw some casting news recently i don't remember who it was but uh saw some casting news maybe about that one iron heart

[00:36:13] we have the character now and i am i am a static for that that show i am so excited for that show but it it's got delayed and then the other one that got potentially delayed that i saw

[00:36:31] is even like on the animation side xman 97 so yeah so you know lots of delays here and i think we're talking a little bit offline and actually if you listen to this secret show you may be

[00:36:45] heard a little bit of this right we talked a little bit about what's the future of the MCU because i think right now just to set the table a little bit we have all the Disney plus stuff

[00:36:58] feasibly delayed i again i i i want to name that like it may not be delayed it may just be that i i know that on the other side of this too is some truth and advertising stuff going on in

[00:37:10] movie stuff right now there was a uh lawsuit involving anada armuses i think it was her marlin mineral movie that where they used some footage that wasn't in the movie and so there was some truth

[00:37:21] and advertising uh lawsuits that came out of that um and i i suspect that that might be that could be a piece of why we're not promising you know early 20 23 anymore arguably we're passed early

[00:37:37] 20 23 we have heard nothing about what if so i'm fine saying that one's delayed but um you know so yeah we we have all these Disney plus series they're pretty pretty you know up in the air um

[00:37:51] we have a streak of movies right now that critically and financially have not been ultra successful um so you have doctor strange in the multiverse of madness you have Thor love and thunder you have black Panther Wakana forever which was financially successful but i kind of broke

[00:38:13] the the mold there and i think there was also some pieces to think just because of the content of that movie um and then quantumania which we already talked a little bit about right um critically

[00:38:27] unsuccessful um financially not a flop but not success not as successful as the MCU's expected to be um so the question becomes where do we go from here right what what comes next for the MCU

[00:38:46] um and i think i think what's what's really interesting in looking at what comes next is that the stories that they're trying to tell right now multiverse branch realities kind of stuff with like weird stuff everyone's in a while right spider-man new arm maybe coming out of the

[00:39:08] woodworks or uh you know all the the king variance and all that stuff we're in a weird space and one of the benefits that the comic books had when they would tell these stories is they did

[00:39:24] not expect every reader to read those comics that was not a every reader reads it and your risk is so much lower right your investment is so much lower than it is for a movie

[00:39:38] and so i'm not terribly surprised if i'm being super honest at some of the cooling appetites for these movies right um these aren't gonna be your blockbuster movie every year

[00:39:50] these stories don't have that way i don't think um i love them i'm super excited to see them and i hope that that the marvel doesn't get too scared right because they're still making somebody like

[00:40:01] don't get me wrong it's not woe is marvel none of these have like failed to make their budgets or anything like that um but you know i i do think we'll see a slowing i think from here on out this

[00:40:18] this phase goes up in popularity because from here on out we have guardians of galaxy volume three which arguably is gonna be weird let's let's face it that one probably will be weird but people

[00:40:30] come to that expecting weird people come to guardians expecting goofy kind of storytelling right right muck no go ahead run oh i was gonna say from there then we go into the marvel's marvel's

[00:40:46] little bit silly little bit throwbacky gonna be fun and then from there though it's it's going to be really your traditional marvel type stuff right you're gonna have capital where america new world order thunderbolts blade um and then you start getting into where they're actually

[00:41:02] going to build in some of the fox stuff so you get into deadpool uh fantastic four and then more Avengers movies right Avengers king dynasty of Avengers secret wars um so i to me i think

[00:41:16] we got a lot of the weird stuff out and i and i do worry that marvel maybe is a little bit now scared to do some of that weird stuff in the movies in the movie theaters um

[00:41:29] but the cool thing that they have is Disney Plus and they can put all the weird stuff there right um so and that's what i mean that and this the this all related i want to kind of jump into real

[00:41:42] quick because you you've touched upon a couple things which i think are important to note like there's we are seeing a slowing uh appetite if you will um just if you're just like in box

[00:41:53] office numbers but i think that's very kind of one dimensional way of looking at things Disney Plus is grown in popularity in hindsight when they you know when the pandemic hit and they quickly launched

[00:42:03] Disney Plus which i think was the right thing to do uh to continue to make money while the paratrox close you know they probably didn't price it right i think i lot it was all about getting eyeballs

[00:42:15] all about getting subscriptions if you will and now that they're in this weird spot where the industry has changed do you remember when black widow came out scrawl jahans was supposed to get a piece of

[00:42:25] the gate and they're like hey we're just gonna put this baby out on Disney Plus and launched in a few theaters because no one wants to go to the movie theaters and die right um and so and so you know

[00:42:34] she had her lawsuit because i decided to like how busy if you're an attorney working for Marvel or Disney litigation department man you have jobs curie four life anyway um but i don't

[00:42:48] I think they're still trying to figure it out like i think they know Disney Plus you know but what's the right balance is you know do you put the weird stuff on Disney Plus we talked about how

[00:42:56] Iron Man as a Disney plot could have been a pretty cool Disney Plus show maybe as more so than like Iron Man 4 as a standalone property and i think they're still trying to figure it out

[00:43:06] i don't think i don't think i can't just look at you know looking at uh and manwass quantum mania doesn't give you a full picture as to what the future is gonna look like is this like a

[00:43:20] downward trend we're gonna continue to see was it just a blip because it was kind of people gave it bad word of mouth and so a lot of people like it'll be on Disney Plus and a while one thing i

[00:43:29] note is that it's you mentioned it's being released on digital fairly soon but Disney Plus it's not the same day so they're trying to still figure out strategies of of when to launch stuff

[00:43:41] on you know digital you could purchase here you know TV to A for old people like me versus when when is it going to be on the streaming service and i think they're going to start putting that

[00:43:51] stuff out playing with those different little levers if you will yeah for sure i think i think it'll be interesting to see and and um i maintain this from from what you and i were talking

[00:44:03] about this maybe we talked about on a secret show i think quantum mania is going to be one that it's gonna do huge numbers in about uh let's call it three years when king dynasty comes out

[00:44:18] well two years when king dynasty comes out in 2025 um i think quantum mania is gonna do huge numbers because everybody's going to have missed it and gonna go oh crap i got to go back and watch that

[00:44:32] i i i still maintain that i think like it is it's gonna be that type of movie there's a couple of those in the MCU right now with uh with where we're currently at you know i i know some

[00:44:47] folks go back and they'll they'll you know maybe they missed guardians because they they heard it was just a romp and that's not what they wanted or um you know Thor Dark World which isn't great

[00:45:01] but you know they go back and watch it because it had an infinity stone and it was referenced in in in endgame and that sort of thing i do think uh i do think quantum mania has that

[00:45:15] go back and rewatch it to it that's gonna come around eventually um which will be interesting to see i do think there is space for marvel to cool down though i think they're like

[00:45:33] there is no doubting that marvel was at the tipy top of the game and like was doing unheard of and unexpected things for a decade right for better than a decade almost two decades was doing just massive massive numbers and super hero movies were dominating everything was

[00:46:00] of everything was a parody of a superhero movie or uh uh you know remake of a superhero movie you know that i think that that cools at some point and we we are likely seeing that that cool down

[00:46:16] i think that's right i think you have to you have to do a little bit of of zigging when other or zagging when those egg which have way it goes um and you have to like come up with

[00:46:28] some creative stuff you can't you know early early superhero movies were origin story you know fight a bad person maybe make a sequel saying you know you move on to the next bad person

[00:46:41] they would be kind of very linear two dimensional stories if you will and then eventually comic book this superhero movies i'm seeing a particular started to have had to delve into different

[00:46:55] things and so they went weird into gardens of the galaxy and you did even the you know you see things like um early Thor Thor wasn't quite what you thought it would be Thor raggedrock was a

[00:47:07] great film and so then you start going off and you pull it all together do the Avengers it's fantastic and then you start you were like okay what's the next thing you know do you just do if you know who's

[00:47:17] the Avengers gonna fight as Avengers gonna fight Superman and Batman no okay well then let's start with quantum media let's get a little bit weird i don't know i mean look i love comic books i've

[00:47:27] read all you know when i was especially when i was younger used to just devour them and i think i'm fairly emceeunerty and even i will be like quantum media still confuses me at times and so if it's

[00:47:39] gonna confuse me like some kid who you know who hasn't seen any of the Disney plus stuff like what's happening here so i do think eventually they're gonna have to zag get again i think we'll see

[00:47:50] some you know you might return to some little more simpler properties maybe some team ups but some things which can operate a little bit as a standalone marvel definitely got definitely like fed off of

[00:48:00] the everything is interconnected everything's related and you have to see everything but you know when you start talking about the canon of Disney plus and i don't know how you make sense of quantum

[00:48:10] media if you haven't seen Loki right yeah like there's no way like wait what's happening who's this dude what's what's with his branch chain realities what's happening here yeah yeah for sure

[00:48:23] for sure yeah and i think i think it'll be interesting to see where it goes next i i don't think marvel you know there there's a click baby articles out there's this the death of marvel

[00:48:35] is marvel you know as this are our death rattle or whatever hey i don't think it is um we were talking a little bit before we started recording about how Disney's acquired properties right

[00:48:49] now are kind of this tale of two IP's where marvel is cooling down is slowing is maybe taking a more methodical stride i guess to what they're doing and doing some of this testing

[00:49:06] on the other side uh with our our boys over in the bandla trailer i'm sure they're very excited because we're coming off of starware celebration this week where they went balls to the walls

[00:49:19] with star wars right now right i i think we're gonna trade trade spots for a little bit i think star wars is gonna get some spotlight not that they ever didn't really have spotlight but

[00:49:29] little bit more than they're gonna take up a little bit more space they have i think they announced three more movies um i think they announced like four series between animated and live action

[00:49:43] um it's gonna be really interesting um and the other thing that i think is really interesting i was listening to this in i was listening to a podcast or watching a podcast called the punk rock mba

[00:49:56] talks about the business of punk rock and that sort of stuff but one of the things that he was talking about was that you know realistically where we're at today culture wise is the mono

[00:50:10] culture is almost dead um you know they're there definitely is still some right and and there's definitely still things that everybody cares about but like especially with with the pandemic and all that people kind of burrow down into their little rabbit holes and they got really

[00:50:30] interested in their their little sub genres and that sort of thing and so it's not like a real blockbuster movie doesn't exist the way it did before 2020 it just doesn't exist that way anymore

[00:50:43] and so i think it is interesting to watch how different properties are exploring that space and figuring out what it looks like in a post 2020 world right and maybe and maybe successive of a movie isn't just measured by the number of dollars it makes and that's something

[00:51:02] that it's an easy way to measure things i will say um and i agree with you i think that like the the industry has changed in a certain way and we won't know for a period of time how we are able

[00:51:13] to measure that success i will say that you know when it talks and we start talking about the quantumania and different realities spider-man no way home was a super popular movie the third

[00:51:27] most profitable marvel movies so i i will say and it is an event in 2017 before if you make a good story and it's fun and you get a good positive word of mouth people will come see it and spider-man

[00:51:41] no way home had it before they they people were frothing to go to the movie theaters generally but to that movie specifically because everyone loves spider-man you had the uh you had the news that

[00:51:55] there might be other spider-man and so even with a complicate even with a weird strange concept like that it operating not quite as a standalone movie but a continuum of the prior two did really

[00:52:07] well super fun yeah and i don't think you can capture that lightning again um maybe if you did an x-men movie that that you got those same rumors going that we're gonna include you know all three

[00:52:21] generations of x-men are gonna be here you know the the fox original x-men the first class x-men plus you know are you know whatever the re cast x-men in the MCU look like that's about the only

[00:52:34] other franchise that i think has the good will to the movies that preceded it because fantastic four dozen right fantastic four does not have good will with it's original two iterations we take

[00:52:46] Chris ethic what do you talk about it you ready to go with this right come yeah come see pre-capped in America um the so i will say this and i mentioned i know mentioned this before what will what will

[00:52:58] get people going if you want to jump start interest in the MCU bring an x-men people will lose their minds myself included yeah x-men x-men is there like i don't want to say nuclear option but it's

[00:53:12] their trump card that they have though they're just leave right now it's it's just waiting well then play it like what are you waiting for like right like i don't i mean again unless it's

[00:53:22] like nixx kj and a hell writer too like what what could be more what could be a better property is riper for for harvesting than than the x-men i just i that part i do not get but

[00:53:35] yeah they're they're has to there's something there and i don't know what it is you know we got a tease we keep getting teases of it right we got professor x-en his yellow wheelchair in doctor strange we got the x-men 80s cartoon guitar riff behind them retconning

[00:53:58] mismarvel into a mutant deep cut but i like it um that's it hey here's a ringtone like that's all of god yeah come on which by the way i started rewatching the the like old i think it was like late 80s cartoon man that's a good show

[00:54:23] that that late 80s x-men cartoon so good i started rewatching it with my son but just like hey it's it's you know thore loving thunder and corg green x-men comic like that's it that's all

[00:54:36] you're gonna give that's not real but like that's all you're gonna give me a come on now yeah yeah i can only hope that that Deadpool opens the door i think what's interesting is story-wise

[00:54:47] at least where the rumors are right now deadpool is going to be an interesting thing um all the rumors are that the story of Deadpool is gonna push quote unquote push the multiverse to its breaking

[00:54:58] point um which i could see them doing some closing of the door with that right um you have to leave it a little bit cracked because you got to get to king but um you know if multiverse continues

[00:55:12] to not be profitable or popular i could see you know Deadpool literally like jumping out of the screen and killing Kevin Feige and being like cool the multiverse is done now um that would be a

[00:55:26] not surprising turn from from a comic book reader standpoint but um but yeah i think you know i do think it cools down i don't think we're i don't think for the next probably 10 years we're

[00:55:39] not gonna get back to three four five marble movies a year um i think i think this might be the last year for three i think you go down to two um after that and and i think um you know it cools down

[00:55:56] you're still telling a story you you maybe put a little bit more into your shows a little bit more storytelling into your shows because like uh the stories have been great but they haven't pushed

[00:56:08] the greater narrative along very far um so i think putting a little bit more time into the shows would be interesting um and like i say taking a little bit lower risk on those shows too

[00:56:23] lower the production budgets go film them on the volume right go you have the volume now that uh fiverr out and philony built over on the starboard side um which makes you know filming a little bit

[00:56:38] cheaper right and you know tell tell some cool stories in between every six months you have a big you know property come out right right well like i said we also had to think and keep in mind

[00:56:54] too when you talk about the number of MC movies released a per year you also had to think with f star wars in picked bar and Disney and you know all all these all these different movies that are

[00:57:05] kind of in the that are um in the queue if you will and it i agree with you like we should need to focus a little bit back more in storytelling you gotta find the amounts between the shows

[00:57:17] in the movies um i think they'll eventually get there but it's you know it's a little it could be a little frustrating at times um especially for like a real casual viewer that just wants to see a fun

[00:57:29] you know story of the which kind of stands on its own the Deadpool will be interesting for sure for sure so um speaking of your favorite property fantastic for just real quick uh i was announced recently that the screen writers for fantastic for which is

[00:57:50] supposed to come out i think 2025 there's no cast it's very mom um the original writers the original screen writers were a place so um Josh Friedman is taking over writing from the writing du of Jeff

[00:58:04] Kaplan and Ian Springer you can spring a wrote uh disaster wedding and kpop lost in America which I know you've seen personally 20 times so many times so many times wait till we do the scene breakdown for

[00:58:16] kpop i'm just kidding um so funny is on our first like our first podcast appearance together i weirdly talked about kpop because that was it on um on uh THC the hub crawl yep

[00:58:32] i remember that was very fun uh finding name or submarine right still uh okay but they were originally tapped so why this is important is uh the main reason is that Josh Friedman wrote

[00:58:46] avatar to war the world's black dahlia his tone is going to be a much different than this kind of light comedic tone the original fantastic four movies if you folks have seen them which i don't really recommend too much but if you have seen them you know fantastic

[00:59:05] four was like this weird kind of science fiction a but it was a you know ruts loosely a family they would picker that was comedic um and the fact that they are moving and shifting screen

[00:59:17] writers to just me oh this is going to be more epic sci-fi drama you get the person's writing avatar too and it's not a bunch of punch lines right so i thought that would be interesting

[00:59:26] and i do think because fans have not seen the fantastic four in the MCU other than John Krasinski as read Richards and uh in um uh Dr Dr Strange i i think this is the chance to

[00:59:43] start a new but you really have to kind of get the tone right early on a points in time like Captain America the original director for captain originally Captain America was going to be like

[00:59:55] a comedic buddy buddy film and i can imagine that would just have been terrible so the fact that they nailed it out of the gate is going to be really important so i thought this is interesting

[01:00:03] we'll follow it see if if we get further news but definitely something that is uh will be impacting on the MCU coming soon yeah and i think um i think it's interesting there's so

[01:00:21] because there's effectively two fantastic fours that have come out so far right so we have the Chris Evans just got all the Michael Chickless um lead one and then we have the Miles Teller Michael Badjordan uh Kate Marra and that one was darker right like that

[01:00:41] that movie took a decidedly darker turn but it almost it was like twilight dark where it was dark teen drama which i was not the right fit by means great um so i i hope you know i hope this

[01:01:02] leans more towards like like you said epic sci-fi not necessarily dark but like not not laugh a minute because i i saw some rumors around this one so just to cover some of the rumors i've seen around fantastic four that some of them less substantiated than others

[01:01:21] one of them i saw was that it was going to be a time traveling fantastic four from the 60s which i feel like that meets the first screen writers that's like a silly kind of storyline

[01:01:34] where it's like oh let's bring these fantastic four who are stuck in the 60s into the 2020s yeah that that's very silly that's a little bit more of that um i think you know this is more

[01:01:48] likely to be a little bit more the tone that the John Krasinski brought to read Richards in Dr Strange although he has said he has not been cast John Krasinski has like been in

[01:02:05] in renewcing he has not been cast as read Richards for the movie which is disappointing because i think he was great um and i think there's an obvious suit suit storm in his actual real life wife

[01:02:19] but uh but yeah it'll be it'll be cool to see and i agree i think they're like it sounds like they're they're making the right tonal decisions right now the yeah the only way i would want

[01:02:32] them to if you're gonna the only way i'd want them to shift and go back to a commute to him so it's being directed by Matt checkman who if you remember in addition to doing some game of

[01:02:41] thrones doing some one division he also directed it's always sunny in Philadelphia and if you're gonna tell me that the game is gonna be the fantastic four we're gonna have Danny Davido is the thing

[01:02:53] Kate Hade Olson is a suit storm like i i debate between Dennis as Dr Doom or uh or read Richards i keep going back and forth from that one but i think uh who's the who's the like in bread family

[01:03:15] that's the the villains the McPoils yeah the McPoils being Dr Doom okay all right yeah how about can anyway no but sirs you though i think i do think i do think a more uh series tone

[01:03:26] if it's a Marvel movie there will be comedic elements it's not gonna be you know it's not gonna be uh a a straight straight film but it'll be interesting to see how it goes for sure for sure

[01:03:39] well let's get on to the last segment here are trailer park so two trailers came out this month since our last recording um so and they actually both like came out in the last two weeks it's been

[01:03:53] it's been a little bit dry for a while and then we hit a streak for the last two weeks where i woke up every morning and there was something on my feed about like uh either a Marvel movie or Star Wars

[01:04:03] movie or something else that i am exceedingly excited for so um on the Marvel side we saw a new trailer for the Marvels and it was actual trailer right so not just a 30 second you know

[01:04:18] kind of teaser we actually got some some good you know good imagery there so we're gonna see uh it looks like um it's it's kind of gonna be there's gonna be some body swap elements which

[01:04:34] look really funny throughout the trailer um mismarvel played by ML the oh i can't pronounce your name but uh mismarvel is kind of jumping into uh spectrums body as well as captain marvel's

[01:04:50] body and they're kind of swapping places and to great comedic effect right uh whether she's floating through space because that's where spectrum was or she's fighting her way through an alien prison

[01:05:03] because that's where captain marvel was um i think that should be really fun um there's a lot of teasing of like are they actually going to team up in this trailer there's a lot of like question marks

[01:05:16] at the end of big team up question mark which is kind of fun right do we know um do we know more about the plot or the big bad or release date we have release date release date is no

[01:05:32] member 11th i want to say okay um and then uh yeah mid-no member at the very least i 11th might be the wrong date but yeah 10th or 11th somewhere there it was i don't remember

[01:05:47] I remember it decidedly was not Thanksgiving week which makes sense although Friday man they make it ton of money yeah um and then um i haven't seen anything necessarily about big bad

[01:06:02] I don't remember they're being a whole lot about big bad it seems more to be introducing the concept of these three characters interacting in the trailer from what i caught okay um i did see the presence of

[01:06:16] um you know i i did notice you know we had all the characters come back um so miss marbles family's back um and uh captain marvel we didn't really see a whole lot of her side side characters we did see

[01:06:36] Nick Fury up on the the saver space station um that's actually where spectrum is working at the beginning of it so kind of cool um i think that should be a good time the i know that they're trying to pump

[01:06:50] it up somebody uh Kevin Feige or somebody said that there hasn't been a team up like it since the original Avengers which i'm like you might be over selling it there but but um it should be a good time

[01:07:03] it should be fun yeah i'm looking forward to it for sure um so the other one more immediate here is secret invasion so we got a two minute trailer for secret invasion um i believe this was released

[01:07:17] at c2 e2 originally and then it got out on socials um and uh this one uh features Nick Fury this is the the scroll invasion basically if if you haven't read the comics the secret

[01:07:35] invasion is where essentially you don't know who's a scroll you don't know who's a human um and schools are killing a bunch of people and and impersonating them and uh so really cool storyline it's

[01:07:47] gonna be a big like spith ruler kind of thing going on which is really cool and should be really fun we have rumored returns in the i think secret invasion is where i saw i posted about this on our

[01:08:02] socials uh we have to eat some crow um our very own beddy ross uh is coming back and is being played by live Tyler so i think both of us called a shot that she would never come back to the MCU but

[01:08:21] well here she is I'm shocked i'm shocked i'm shocked you know but it could just be hey we lost number looked up couldn't find it years past like oh i found that old i found that old email you had um

[01:08:35] no i'm looking forward to this series so this will be coming on Disney Plus i think it is in June i believe you know June 21st in 21st eight on the one uh not sure how many episodes will be but

[01:08:47] it's it's the same cast of characters we've seen we've seen we've seen with Samo Jackson who's coming back and Mendelsan is coming back as the leader of that scroll group um Marhell so this will be

[01:08:59] it this will be a really fun one um also has a meal at Clark i guess she is playing the character who with the scroll daughter that we saw from the miss marble film as a as a grownup um yeah and

[01:09:13] actually her character got revealed i don't know if this was on purpose or not her character got revealed if you turned on the the close cat the only way you knew who her character was it was

[01:09:23] turning on the close captioning on the trailer yeah oh then turn it off but just don't don't put their name on it like what do i'm gonna say like yeah yeah it's kind of it's kind of goofy

[01:09:35] but yeah um and i saw super scroll in that trailer too uh we saw some some super scrolls which is cool they're they're kind of these these scrolls that are trying to take over and and they do

[01:09:50] all kinds of crazy morphing stuff with their bodies and stuff so yeah then it's gonna i guess secret scroll i'm sorry secret invasion is going to lead to armor wars which should be um should be

[01:10:02] another great no it's there oh man well so so marhell man marvel i'm so two things on on armor wars i'm gonna get on my soapbox for a second i'm super excited for armor wars armor wars is uh so for

[01:10:17] those who don't know that's as it's name suggests Ironman's tech falls into the wrong hands we're supposed to see the return of um Justin hammering it i think he was on stage at d23 talking about

[01:10:31] it so uh you know we'll get ready for some awesome dance moves from our buddy these still but be still in hearts um it as well as rhodi kind of doing some of his armor

[01:10:45] stuff bringing in iron heart you know obviously she's in the armor or you universe if you well um so really excited for that um unfortunately it did get moved i think unfortunately it got

[01:10:59] moved from a series to a movie um i think actually at d23 they announced that it was gonna be a movie um that that has been like officially announced as not just rumored it was an old official announcement to move that

[01:11:13] to the big screen which i'm like i'm excited on one hand i'm excited to see it on the big screen on the other hand i think it severely limits the amount of story they can tell with that which is

[01:11:25] unfortunate yeah we've seen them do that but we've seen Disney do that before um the u and migraegger ob one series was a riddley supposed to be a movie which they turned into a series and i thought

[01:11:39] i vaguely recall that solo was supposed to be series which they turned into a movie so we'll see like you know i'm here for it i will be excited to see it when it comes out heck yeah heck yeah

[01:11:53] so yeah that was all talking about uh that all started with talking about secret invasion again check out Disney Plus on uh the 21st of June for that one so um looking forward to that are we okay are we getting commission for like all the Disney Plus like

[01:12:11] do we get like a like a 0.001% or something if only if only man i know some of the other podcasts on the network they'll say the the name of certain things over and over and over again and then that'll

[01:12:23] be there like uh ads which we don't even get enough attention to get ads so i don't even know if it works for us that way i mean we're outside of the top 10 MCO podcasts i think 13th i can't

[01:12:37] remember but i had to look at the list again but um but appreciate everyone listening to the show absolutely absolutely yep um definitely appreciate every single one of our listeners and um um make sure you check out all of our socials um we're literally puny pot everywhere just

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[01:13:30] other than that um i just want to again thank everybody for listening make sure you check your feed in a couple weeks um our episode on Captain America first Avenger will be coming out here in

[01:13:43] a couple weeks so uh to watch your pod catchers for that but other than that um that is the news for this month thank y'all enough said enough said