EarzUp! | Walt's 9 Old Men Part 5: John Lounsbery

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[00:00:26] That's Shopify.com slash tech. This is a weird fever dream. Nyquil fever dream, you know what I mean? Yeah, and no Taryn, I'm not on pigments again. Your husband might be. No, no, Taryn is not joining us. There's a lot going on. We're gonna get into Waltz Nidal Men part 5 today with Eric here. And we're gonna talk about John Throgood. Is that who it is?

[00:01:42] Lounsbury.

[00:01:44] Lounsbury, I love it.

[00:01:46] I love it. Honestly, yeah, sometimes I'm like, what's wrong with me? Like I'm a comforting person. Eric, when you look at me, do you see what oozes out of me? Emotion, not physically. Oh, okay. Emotion. Emotionally speaking, yes. It's clearly comfort. Right. Comfort. Yeah, I mean. No sternness.

[00:03:00] You're so tall. Yeah. Patient.

[00:03:01] And yes. And having never received a hug from you.

[00:03:06] Yeah.

[00:03:07] I'm just saying. my God. Yeah. So I had to work out of that. And that's a voice. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So that's so that's my weird energy. But before we get to to to what happened the past couple of days to me, I want to thank

[00:04:22] our show, our travel partners, Concy Ears.

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[00:05:42] I've ever gone to Disneyland.

[00:05:43] That's right, you're going in like about a month?

[00:05:46] Yeah, I'm going on the 21 hotel tower. Okay, and I found I found a room like wow this that's great and

[00:07:02] Like I was at work when I found it and went well, I was two nights. So yes, it was less. And, um, yeah, I did something stupid and I just went great click, pay for it. And then when they sent me to confirmation email and like, great, I'm, I'm doing all right. And then three days later, I looked back at the confirmation what those are the wrong dates.

[00:08:23] See, I tried to pull this when I order stuff get it, but that's very exciting. I'm glad that you're going. I'm glad that it's a thing that's happening to you and not to me. That sounds utterly miserable. But blessed man, please let me know. Please keep us abreast December. This is the latest in December I've ever been at a Disney park. Yeah, I think you'll be fine.

[00:09:41] I probably will.

[00:09:42] Yeah.

[00:09:43] I mostly tend to like find a place to eat and drink.

[00:10:46] I've tried customer service and I've tried immunity management and project management and stuff like that. But my resume doesn't really reflect what it would take to get some

[00:10:54] of these jobs I've been applying to, but I just do it anyway because I need to do something.

[00:10:57] I need to feel like I have forward progression. So I've applied... You go on LinkedIn and

[00:11:05] then you find the job post on LinkedIn, but no thank you. I'm just gonna, and I just blocked the number. I'm like, that's not valid. Yeah, you shouldn't have to join another app just to have an interview. Well, right, and also the CEO, and it happened to be a, oddly enough, because Taren works in the same industry, it happened to be a company out of New Jersey

[00:12:20] that does senior living.

[00:12:21] Okay.

[00:12:22] So I'm like, oh, okay, that's funny.

[00:12:23] And I looked up the website and it's like a legit thing.

[00:12:25] I'm like, oh, okay, blah, West Sacramento, blah, blah, blah. And I go to the website and they're like legit. COSAR is a legit company, but they're doing a lot of real estate data for some reason.

[00:13:42] And in the email, they were like, oh yeah oh, also I needed to take a picture of my ID for approval purposes. I'm like, okay, sure. I can do that. And Taryn was like, you know, cause I'm talking to her about it. Cause I'm like, I think this might be weird. I don't know. And she goes, well, but what's the scam? And I go, I don't know. And what's the worst that could happen? They get your information off of your

[00:15:04] ID no matter what. If someone wants to get your sort of skimmed through it. But the check always kind of stood out and Taryn mentioned it too. And I'm like, yeah, but what is that? I'm not going to give my banking for me.

[00:16:20] So I called my buddy Ted, who I did a Cool People Doing Cool Things episode on Patreon.

[00:17:22] the person who sent me the email, I was like, hey, I have a couple of follow-up questions.

[00:17:25] Can we jump on a call for five minutes?

[00:17:28] And I goo, by the way, I looked up this person's name.

[00:17:30] No person like this exists for this company.

[00:17:33] They're in the, you know, this does their HR, but whatever.

[00:17:36] And she's like, well, I'm too busy.

[00:17:38] I can't actually get on a phone call with you,

[00:17:39] but I'm happy to email you in person.

[00:17:41] I'm like, I don't know.

[00:17:43] So then Taryn finds this website, CoStar,

[00:17:45] and then there's actually a section in their careers page And I just, I wanted to bury myself, man. It was so tough. Yeah, I bet. It was tough. Like, and I tried not to get into it, but you can't help it. You absolutely can't help it. And I mean, I thought this was like, this, you know, coming to Christmas and like,

[00:19:00] this is just, it was just, it was the right time.

[00:19:02] Everything was hitting at the right time.

[00:19:05] And yeah, no job, but you have a new MacBook and you can't return. Yeah, it's awful. It's just, it's such a bad like vibe. And the old day I've been bad vibe makes me wanna cry. Like it just, it's like openly just weep.

[00:20:20] It's atrocious.

[00:20:21] And, but, you know, say hello V man.

[00:20:26] You gotta do what you gotta. They're in Virginia. It's not remote. Okay. And I'm like, well, I got a whole studio. I mean, this is what I do anyway. Like I do commercials, it's like whatever, right? And I say commercials, like it's like a big thing, but they're literally for other podcasts. But like, why would someone develop this questionnaire and have me send it out to me? I guess it's really to really set that hook.

[00:21:43] That was the thing I kept coming back to.

[00:21:44] It's like, it can't be a scam

[00:21:45] because they have this questionnaire

[00:21:46] and it's very insightful. That's epic. That's epic suck. Look dude, cow man. Yeah, it is. And you know, going through if you just like search scam in Reddit, because like looking for some subs to post this in just so other people don't actually I might I should probably find a voiceover sub and post that too. Because like, you know, they're

[00:23:03] targeting that community, right? That's fair. But this one person's like it just in the I I just, I will make, I will interrupt to make an announcement. Both Terrence and Beverly, as well as Jeremy, will be on our Christmas show on the 14th of December, you guys. Oh, all right. Our Santa Iger letters. Yeah, so, and they are going to do Santa Iger letters.

[00:24:20] And I think Jeremy is going to do one as well.

[00:24:23] And you know how that boy gets

[00:24:24] when he wants to write letters to people.

[00:24:27] Going to be great.

[00:24:27] So speaking of this crew. He's not on any windows on Main Street.

[00:25:42] He was a shy man who pretty much got his work done

[00:25:46] and then went home. out a window. By default, you have to get a window. Well, and that's kind of it. Several of the nine old men ended up working for Wed, and that's how they got their windows. Ah, okay. Is they were involved with the making of the park. So some of these folks, like Wooley Reitherman, was involved with the making of the parks. And we'll talk about Wooley eventually.

[00:27:03] You know, I think Wooley was one of the first, I think he let's go. And those were his his young men that he relied on. And as he started to up the stakes, as he started to push animation forward, he brought in educators to teach these these guys who didn't have formal art training, how to be better at what they were doing. And they

[00:28:22] were kind of overtaken in time. And that was one of the big

[00:28:26] schisms in in the school, he was doing

[00:29:40] cartoons, he sold his art and he, according to one report, that's cool. I mean, that's got to be a good feeling that your teacher was like, Hey, why don't you go work at Disney? Why don't you get a job there? Right. I mean, clearly you're good enough. And obviously you need training or whatever, because he's just cool. But I don't know, that's got to feel good as a kid.

[00:31:02] Did I get that much reinforcement that you think I'm that good? him. He said he, John really liked characters that he could sink his teeth into. He updated the old squash and stretch of old cartoons. That's when, when, you know, walking, you know, a character would hear on botched. You got to get rid of this old squash and step or whatever.

[00:32:20] Squash and stretch. Yeah. But the next stage was I mean, upgrading

[00:33:42] to Snow White was a massive improvement because you were

[00:34:43] and Lonsperry's original sketches into the final animation. But the problem is now I have it, you know,

[00:34:45] sharing my YouTube page and then on the right,

[00:34:49] now I want to see the DeLorean racing through things

[00:34:52] and old, I'm going to solve all the stuff that.

[00:34:55] Yes, I'm going to use it pretty good.

[00:34:56] Yeah.

[00:34:57] You just got to do a walkabout.

[00:34:58] Why can't I, I'm not going to stretch out.

[00:35:00] Here we go.

[00:35:01] Tonight the butcher, he's a guest.

[00:35:02] A little repetitive because it's very short.

[00:35:04] But you, he would put in the thinner pencil.

[00:36:20] John wasn't one of those guys that demanded

[00:36:22] that this or that happens or acted out all of his scenes

[00:36:25] for all the other fellows.

[00:36:26] He showed up at eight. But yeah, this guy animated on everything from when he started until he left the company. He's credited on basically every short, every movie, everything that the studio did that was significantly, unemotive queen. She needs to be emotional. She needs to be ugly. She needs to be scary. And they got it. Yeah, absolutely. And he got to it. John himself got to animate the sequence where the witch is descending into the cellar and closing a trap

[00:39:00] door over her head, where she's like staring out No, the cool scenes where Dumbo is drunk. Nice. So there were other animators like Bill Titla who did most of the Dumbo animation, but John got to do the less serious things

[00:40:21] where there were more visual gags

[00:40:23] like Dumbo hiding behind his ears and things like that. two very different characters that were often in the same scene. One kind of sly and mischievous and the other one, the bumbling bear who just wants to do what he's told and get out of here and go sleep. It sounds like a lot to keep straight in your head.

[00:41:40] That sounds like a lot of brain power.

[00:41:43] You know what I mean?

[00:41:44] Yeah, that's some work, man.

[00:41:47] Yeah, it is a lot to think about. about Crane in a few sequences in that movie. Then we get to the big leagues here again. We're doing music and animals over at Gen. It's Cinderella. He animated all of the animals in the carriage transformation scene. So he didn't he didn't do the full the full Cinderella transformation. He wasn't doing that, but he was doing all of the, you know, mice

[00:43:02] and and and such being turned into horses and all of that.

[00:43:05] It is funny because you just on the surface, like you don't really think about

[00:44:03] to do animals again and singing, syncing up to a musical track.

[00:44:06] Some of this was apparently credited to Ward Kimball,

[00:44:12] who's possibly our next old man.

[00:44:15] Ward's one of my favorites,

[00:44:16] so I've got a ton of stuff on Ward.

[00:44:18] So I'm doing more research on him,

[00:44:21] but some of this got credited to the wrong guy.

[00:44:24] Oh, John was a background guy.

[00:44:26] He did filler stuff. and yeah, but John was talented and skilled, but he just did his work and he got out of there. Maybe he didn't cause a ruckus, I don't know. Finally, he draws a human. In Peter Pan, he designed George Darling, Wendy's, all the kids' father. So not the most important character,

[00:45:40] but he had some good scenes at the beginning of the movie.

[00:45:43] Sure, yeah, absolutely.

[00:45:44] He got to animate him in formal wear

[00:45:46] with a suit and a cape and a walking stick And in this, considered his triumph by multiple subsequent Disney artists, was doing the Italian restaurant scene with Tony and Joe, the owner and the cook at the Italian restaurants. So, Andreas Deha again says that this is his best work.

[00:47:00] John Pomeroy, another Disney animator who want spaghetti. But yeah, exaggerated movements, again, back to that squash and stretch, utilized to amazing effect to create emotion and create drama and interest in these characters. These characters are barely in the movie,

[00:48:22] but what scene do we remember from this movie?

[00:48:25] It's that one.

[00:48:25] That spaghetti scene, right?

[00:48:26] Yeah, exactly. they're considered. They're still cartoony for the most part, but think of the horse Samson, who had that angular style that fit with Prince Philip. John was involved, was the principle on the horse Samson. He also did the entire sequence between Kings Hubert and Stefan.

[00:49:43] They're cartoony but still angular and they're having fun. This is a great sequence The Aristocats, of course, it's a bunch of cats. He did several of the cats. He did characters in bed knobs and broomsticks in the animated sequence there. He was the supervising animator on the sheriff of Nottingham in Robin Hood. I'm very happy I didn't say Robin Hood, because I almost did. And yeah, stepping back a little bit,

[00:51:00] he, his first time where he was allowed to be a director

[00:51:04] of the entire film was, or for the entire feature But that meant he spent his entire career at the Disney Studios. Amazing. 41 years animating Doing What He Loved. He was named a Disney legend in 1989. This is old hat if you've been paying attention to all of these because all of Walt's nine old men were named Disney legends the same year.

[00:52:20] The second group of legends, they were named legends. This is, these are very long sentences. And we controlled anticipations that followed through making a bold statement, but they never lost believability. Hardly subtle, always fun to watch.

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[00:57:44] also claims he quote won the battle against the company, despite just gotta bend the knee. We fought back against Disney. We had a big battle with them. And we won the battle against Disney," he added. I'll tell you, the fact that we were willing to stand up to Disney, that had reverberations across this country. Because I think you do have some CEOs that they're not necessarily bought into this agenda, but it's the path of least resistance.

[00:59:01] Now they can say, well, gee, I don't want to end up like Disney.

[00:59:05] People may fight back his name right now, but the guy who was in charge of an ethics commission and realized that he was breaking the rules of his own job, getting put into the high profile high paying job and got dumped off of the ethics commission so from Pixar, Star Wars, and its classic animated films into traditional pins. Digital, excuse me, into tradable digital pins. I was gonna say, traditional NFT pins. Yeah, it's NFT, but you get a physical copy of your NFT.

[01:01:43] The Disney Pinnacle website has a wait list for interested traders and collectors. a hurry to do it. They're only developing an app for half of the cell phone market. You know what I mean? Just half of the people can get it. We'll see how it goes. They did lay off most of the NFT portion of the company when either came back, didn't they? I thought so. Yeah, it was like the, not NFT, but it was the, like the, the a thing. Nobody cares. Nobody wants them. The board eight people found a niche with people with too much money to burn and they created a culture around it, but I just I don't, I don't know. That's burned out too, hasn't it? No. Well, I just think a lot of these, a lot of the eights have lost their money, but they're still doing more of like,

[01:04:23] that was referenced in that article. They had some event or whatever last weekend and they is in Hong Kong Disneyland talking about the world of Frozen themed land which is opening on November 20th. Which looks awesome. It does. And you know, I got I saw an article I forget where it was from now but it was I want to see was those you register. But it was like you want to get a look at what the frozen land could have looked like for Disney or if it comes to Disney and this is what it'll look like and it's just pictures

[01:05:42] of the Hong Kong one but it's like oh this was pitched in 2017 or whatever for Disneyland

[01:05:46] forward but.

[01:05:47] Yeah, we'll write it right now I'd rather have a frozen for then frozen live-action. Yeah It'll happen. It'll happen. It's inevitable. It's inevitable There's an interview with The Rock and he saw some talk show and he said he's like literally shooting it right now

[01:07:04] The live-action Moana. Yeah, like oh god

[01:08:06] I feel like why and I'm not gonna go too far into it because I go through this all the time but like Star Wars worked because it you used your imagination for what these things meant and

[01:08:09] Then as they had to expand and expand the universe

[01:08:12] They had to describe what these things meant and there was no longer cool

[01:08:16] And then they had to just invent stuff that directly contradicts

[01:08:21] Edicts laid forth in the original films and it's like well now what's going on. That's all confusing and out now

[01:08:26] Nothing means anything anymore

[01:09:25] many years between the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy, where we were, other people were imagining things.

[01:09:30] And they're like, yes, we're on board.

[01:09:31] We really air to the empire.

[01:09:33] Yeah, I'm in.

[01:09:34] Like, I wanted this throng guy seems awesome.

[01:09:38] And now they're kind of going, well,

[01:09:40] we did wipe the slate clean, but we kind of really

[01:09:42] like some of the stories that were out there.

[01:09:44] So we really want to bring them back in.

[01:09:46] So for my part, I'm trying to do is figure out that if there's a spaceship that shoot

[01:11:03] the laser blast in space and it doesn't of time, number of pins, and trading locations where the decades old cherished Disney tradition is permitted. First of all, it is not cherished. The only people who cherish it are people who are like, you know, really excited about a new season of Loki.

[01:12:22] You know what I mean?

[01:12:23] Like nobody cares.

[01:12:24] Most people do not care about it.

[01:12:25] I just decided to make fun of Loki.

[01:12:27] Um, it's fine.

[01:12:28] I haven't seen how they're allowed to do that because maybe the give and take on there is like, well, they're encouraging people to go in and buy pins,

[01:13:43] which is why they're doing it near a pin trading area where youward Ho. Use of the trading area is restricted to specific times between park opening and 3pm daily. Pen traders are permitted to bring only one pen trading bag, measuring 14 by 12 inches by 6 inches to the park and cannot use lights or signs.

[01:15:01] This people wonder, you see like, you know, whenever I go. So I don't really see them for a while. So maybe it's not really like a, we don't really hit the weekends and maybe they're more like weekend people. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to think, yeah, there are definitely times where I haven't seen anybody there. And yeah, it's something weird for me

[01:16:20] because as a Walt Disney World guy,

[01:16:22] no, you pin trade with cast members.

[01:16:24] You don't pin trade with like people.

[01:17:23] various challenges will take over the space. Our plan is for Imagination Campus to use the Beast's library space moving forward,

[01:17:27] and the final day for guests to experience Beast's library will be December 10th.

[01:17:32] It's tucked away inside the Sorcerer's Workshop in the Hollywood land of DCA.

[01:17:37] The famous Prince portrait hangs in the middle of the room, and guests can watch as it changes

[01:17:42] to the clawed version, just storytelling by Disney thing that's going on

[01:19:00] in Rancho, Barrage.

[01:19:02] Palm Springs.

[01:19:03] Yeah, near Palm Springs, basically. I've been keeping up with that at all.

[01:20:01] It's weird. It's weird. I'll have to go back and look at it. I missed that one.

[01:20:04] But apparently the first prices of the houses in

[01:20:07] Disney's Cateno have hit the market and you're looking at upwards of over a

[01:20:12] million dollars for homes and $20,000 to join the club.

[01:20:19] Does anyone want to buy my house four times?

[01:20:23] I'll move in there for you. that would have been I guess worth it. But the Incredibles? I mean like a total mid-mod? Yeah. I mean, oh, maybe, maybe, maybe. I don't know. Hopefully they understood that the whole aesthetic of the Incredibles is based on its century modern. I don't know, man. I just, whatever. Katina was- Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

[01:21:40] That's a lot.

[01:21:41] It's slated to eventually have nearly 2000 homes

[01:21:42] and condos on long vacant land just east of Bapo Drive

[01:21:46] between Frank Sinatra and Gerald Ford Drive. Maybe it's worth it. Bigger than that. Right. Prices for, I mean, it's hard to get a, anyway, prices for the grand collection, which includes four different floor plans ranging from about 2,700 square feet to 3,700 square feet, will begin from the quote, low two million. The prices fall in the upper end of the housing market in Rancho Mirage since this data show

[01:23:02] the city's median home value is $570,000. very soon. So I imagine they almost think that it's a script is done and they're going to start shooting now that the writers strike is over. Okay. They've been talking about that for a long time. I didn't know she was attached to it. Yeah, I don't. Can we just get Gutenberg back? Steve Gutenberg. I would love that. Get back the original cast.

[01:24:20] The project nearly fell apart in 2021 when Johansson sued Disney over the hybrid release

[01:24:25] of Marvel's he is. I'd take Candleman over a hat box any day. Are you kidding me? Of course, dude. I would take the whole entire museum of the weird over most of the new things that they've done.

[01:25:44] So there's the Attic scene in Disney. So he's right by in the attic scene. I think that's where that is.

[01:27:00] Or like the big coiled snake by his coils to the right of that.

[01:27:05] There's a candelabra. different. I like it. Good. I'm glad that they did that. I'm glad that instead of just like making it the same, they, they, uh, yeah, whatever. They just ran two through the 3d printer. Basically. Yeah. Tossed them in there. Um, yeah. Neat, huh? I thought you might like that. I had no idea. I had no idea that it was in Disney, Disneyland. And I was like, how do you guys know this? And they've like,

[01:28:21] I have not seen a single story about it.

[01:28:22] Although different Brian in the chat is Brian.

[01:29:28] Speaking of curse what I'm doing is I am putting together a few I'm doing a giveaway doing a few giveaways Oh, yeah, I want to tell you guys real fast

[01:29:30] So for I'm doing two separate giveaways one specifically for patreon people and all you have to do

[01:29:38] Is just be a patreon member and I will do a couple of maybe a couple of drawings

[01:29:42] I haven't really figured out exactly how many things I'm gonna give away. It's probably gonna be at least five prize packs

[01:30:44] And I will bestow upon you potentially a nice little gift pack. We have, I have some shirts, some churro shirts that were screen printed before we transitioned

[01:30:49] to a drop shipping that I still have.

[01:30:51] I have some stickers, I have some books, I have some posters that our friend Miles at

[01:30:57] Modeling Disney gave to me for the hundredth episode actually, I think.

[01:31:00] And I just found them along with a bunch of other swag from the, from the hundredth episode,

[01:31:06] like hundredth episode, this little cheap nylon backpacks. I will do the drawing. I will announce the winner on the Christmas show and you know, it should be a good time It's fun Santa Iger letters Santa Jason, I don't know whatever It's a some yeah, it's the same Santa de Santa. There you go. Oh my god. I wish that he's the cool I just I'm waiting for someone at those debates. They just like just take your boot off and give it to me

[01:32:21] Just let's go. Just take it off. Take it off. I want to see it

[01:32:25] and if you don't