EarzUp! | Dane, Director of the Walt Disney Animation Building Documentary, "Behind The Glass"

[00:00:03] [SPEAKER_05]: It's time for the show that brings the magic right to your speakers.

[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Ears Up!

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, what's going on? Everybody ears up podcast.

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_05]: We are back. I did a magical chime. I didn't even mean to you.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I fat fingered the soundboard here. We can hear that again.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's lovely. It's so good. It's a nice and kind and magical and animation and magic and mystery and wonder.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Eventually this is going to be the new Disney parade.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_05]: This is going to be this sound over and over again.

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be the nighttime parade that's coming back.

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and they're going to haul out Bob Iger and he's just going to be standing on a golf cart and this is going to be playing.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And people are like, yes! I love it! I swear, I didn't mean to swear.

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I took them four years to figure out that.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, what's going on here? Everybody we got Eric here. Terran is going to join us in a little bit.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_05]: But right now we are speaking with Dane and he is the director of a great documentary about the animation department in Walt Disney World called Behind The Glass,

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_05]: the WDW animation building.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Dane, welcome to the show, man. Thanks for joining us.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Hello. Thanks for having me.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, of course, man. Yeah, I was excited. This is as a self-proclaimed Disney Land centric fella.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't really know too much about Disney World or what even goes on over there.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not half the time I'm not even sure it's real. People talk about it and I go, I understand.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you mean?

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, ooh, ooh, I do. I know about them.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Terran Walt Disney Worlds.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Eric here is our Disney World guy.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_05]: We default to him with everything because he kind of knows he lives in that world.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_05]: But being East Coast or being West Coast, excuse me, we're more Disneyland centric.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_05]: We're kind of merging into Disney World a little bit as we go through.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_05]: We do a lot of history shows on this podcast.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_05]: So we're sort of leaning in towards Disney World.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's like peeking over the fence at your neighbor's party.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, what are they doing over there?

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I am. What's going on? Oh, yeah.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_05]: So I was excited that you brought this up and we were able to learn about it.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I had no idea that this was a building.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's the magic of Disney Animation Building.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_05]: If I have the name right.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And essentially what I was, it was a working animation studio that guests could walk through

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_05]: and like watch the animators working on real projects.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_05]: That's like, right? Exactly.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_05]: To me that's wild because it's, you know, someone addresses it in the documentary a little bit.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_05]: But what was amazing to me is we got a tour of Pixar out here in Enrival a couple years ago.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know four or five years ago.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And we couldn't go through the actual animation area because they were working on some projects.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Some like top secret.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. They were like, we got a week to do this.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. So do you know how they would handle stuff like that in this?

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, it was it stuff that was deemed too sensitive.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Couldn't go so the public could see or do you know about the inner workings with that at all?

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. I heard a little bit about that.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, some of it is talked about a little bit.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But honestly, there wasn't really that big of an issue with that.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: The whole reason that they did the building was that they wanted to show people this kind of stuff.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And back then, there wasn't internet.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: This was 89.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, wait a minute. Hold on. What?

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But I should say there was AOL but like, horrible cameras.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But that it was you were streaming.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. People weren't live streaming.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_05]: What was going on?

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I got you.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. It was a lot different than today.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was much easier to see somebody with a giant VHS camera than one of these.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And so they said, no pictures or videos from guests coming in.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You can see the side on the floor.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_00]: You could videotape that's why there's a lot of videos of the, like back to Neverland short

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And the classics theater.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's not a lot of video from guest point of view of the animators because of that rule.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's how they kind of stop that because it was.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to imagine it was kind of elevated a little bit.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't really see exactly what they were working on.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the pictures themselves.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But you could kind of get the just what they were actually doing.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. You saw a lot of backs of people.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Like you couldn't like take pictures and leak anything really.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. And you know, looking at the footage that you have in the dock,

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_05]: it is very, you know, they're elevated.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know. Like three quarters, like 40 or 45 degree angle looking down.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And kind of far away.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_05]: So you can see people flipping maybe.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, and that's about it.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_05]: But that's still pretty awesome.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like that's what Disney does really well.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Is they give you the behind the scenes, look, they open the kimono a little bit.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And go like this is how this is how everything is done.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's what people want.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_05]: So I was disappointed when, you know, as soon as as soon as I saw the subject matter,

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, I've never heard of this. That means and this is how smart I am.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_05]: That means it's not there anymore.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't like that.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_05]: So how did you what inspired you to put this thing together, man?

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. So I mean, most people don't know about it.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the reason others inspired to make it.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: There was a great book that came out in like 21.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, excuse me, like that.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's actually what partly inspired the name of it.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: The book is called, behind the glass at the Florida studio or something like that.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Actual titles like Disney Renaissance years behind the glass of the Florida studio.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that book came out and I found out about that and I read it.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, this is really good.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But the book was written by a person that worked there.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's more about the technology of actually what they were doing.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the cap system, flipping and stuff like that.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I want more of like the history of the people.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the personal stories that these people that because like they

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_00]: talked about Bridget in that book.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I researched Bridget a little bit and I was like,

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: There needs to be something about this.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So I wrote it down as one of my like just video ideas.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, it would be cool to do something like like that.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And I like to have a big a big project every year.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So when this year kind of came and I didn't have anything yet,

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_00]: this was probably, this was probably March of last year.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I was I saw that idea in my, in my ideas book.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, there's something there.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, because it's easy to start digging.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I found a website that one of the people made with all the footage that's included in the video.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, John.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, there's something like there, there needs to be something

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: made about this.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Like there is on tap potential here.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And no one has done a video on this.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: There's one history video on it.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's very, it's good.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not as deep as I wanted to go.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, yeah, they're especially if we get, if I can somehow get animators involved with this,

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_00]: we could do something really cool with this.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_05]: And what I like what you did is is you know,

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_05]: you're not at the history of the building.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, like you just said, you wanted the history of the people and the stories behind what happened.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's really, that's where Disney kind of falls apart a little bit.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_05]: They at some point along the way it feels like they, I don't want to say they lost their humanity.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Because that's the very dramatic thing to say.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_05]: But it is very much like here's our technology and we're great.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And the people behind it who make it are awesome, the end.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_05]: And then they just move on.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_05]: But you were able to really tackle those things and learn about how people were even involved in this project.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And we'll like get around to that.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_05]: But you like you mentioned the lady Bridget, who's an animator who passed away from cancer, unfortunately.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And there's a lovely tribute and it's a, it's a good part of the movie too.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_05]: The pacing is really good where it's really up.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And then, and then the bridge it parts come because every, every document or needs,

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_05]: you need to take down a little bit.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And, and get you know human and humanize the subjects again because I think at some point you kind of go,

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_05]: oh well these are just these are people who drew who cares right?

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_05]: But no they're like real people.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And there was a very touching moment where everyone then basically the company allowed the animators to build a garden in her honor.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And it was like the fact that the company allowed them to do that is awesome.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_05]: She's a really good moment from from all sides.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah exactly.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And, and I mean this is an, and might be a spoiler but the garden still there.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: That is the one thing that is still there all these years that I know of besides the some stuff like I think nature's table is still there.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_00]: The restaurant that was in the expansion of the studio.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's still open to cast members.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But to my knowledge Bridget's garden is the only thing that is from feature animation still.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's still there. So that thing means lots of a lot of people.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, that that makes me feel really bad about saying that rather than putting the new monsters and stuff in the.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Muffins area we should just take down the old animation building because it's just it's just offices now nobody cares about that.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you added this paythos to it like no we can't get rid of that building.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's just move the garden.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, is it going is it going in muppets because we're going to have a riot on her as far as I heard it's going in the building.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_05]: So you changed our org is going to be a flame with.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, petitions that no one else had hasn't been completely revealed where it's.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, there are a lot of ideas but yeah who knows.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not happy about it.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's any way they pull knows that.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_04]: That would be good. I agree.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, whatever. They should they put in there like preserve that that's important to people.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_05]: So speaking of the subjects in the movie, how did you pull all these people to because you do have animators and directors and you have people who have moved on from the positions they were in and they are probably very busy people.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they are.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I asked myself that question every day. How did I get these people?

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I reached I started reaching out to them around the holidays.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I thought that's when I started doing the interviews because the lead up to that was a lot of planning and a lot of researching that was like the research planning phase story boarding as much as we knew of like of like what we knew of the building so far.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Because when we started doing the interviews then the story was just presented to me because it was just like this thing right to tell like you know.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Because every single thing that is laid out in that video or in this documentary is all true there's nothing that is like Hollywood, you know anything there's nothing that's drama thoughts like all of these stories actually happened and the stuff with the garden and you know everything like that.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: That happened in chronological order so it was like this is exactly like I can't believe somebody hasn't already made this and so yeah but the reaching out to people I did it around the holidays and I just found a bunch of emails.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to tell you where I found those emails, but.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I always have trouble answering this question without leaking info but yeah.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so you have a source and that's all we could say.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, yeah that's for yes I just made a bunch of contacts pretty much yeah there you go yeah I've been in that boat to and you go like what do you say I don't know you him and all you know you lie and you found it online.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, that's cool man and it's nice that they were willing to sit and talk about it and you know I.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I always have a hard time with with movies like this we're talking about documentaries because there's so much involved and making a documentary is.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_05]: You know in my mind kind of you're you're just you're a cook with eight arms you're doing this you're doing pre production planning and you're doing stories and then you have to do an interview or whatever.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_05]: You're like right everything down so it's hard to be linear about how things come together.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_05]: But you're talking about the story so you did all your research which I saw you shot it out those at Steve the entry for your research show you know bless bless up to Steve what do you do you you wrote the outline you wrote the script I suppose and then did you contact the people and be like hey this is what we're going to go through did you guide them through that.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Because when you when you interview him and what I see is I get ahead of myself in this problem what I look for in a good documentary.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Is when all of the stories that the interview ease are giving kind of line up and they drive in sequence and I think that's just like a sign number one of good preparation and good planning but good editing also.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Because you have three or four people telling the same kind of stories so you get the same basic perspective and I like that and to me that's that's like your 60% there if you just have that aspect of it.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_05]: But I imagine that's really hard to do how how does that aspect come together.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so pretty much Steve works with me on all of my videos he's like he is my researcher slash writer kind of I'm also a writer but he's kind of like a fact checker researcher.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so he works with me on everything same thing with Anna she's also she's my producer on the channel so pretty much we started with a lot of notes this isn't the exact note.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't ruin it no it is.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It is.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't ruin it.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Come on.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So pretty much we started with a whole bunch of notes and what we knew what we could find out on Google just basic Google searches pretty much because every if you search up Walt Disney feature animation Florida there is three but three things that will pop up Wikipedia.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Disney, Wekky and maybe a few videos on the on YouTube and those videos are not informational because they're back to never land P of ease now I might be a little different because of this I'm not sure but at the time it was only those and they're not very helpful.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Just to walk through the tour yeah I can imagine that yeah that that footage in the film of of the walk through the tour that took me forever.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not fine that was not available on YouTube.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow yeah yeah most of that footage is not available on YouTube and it was very happy when I got that so I just did a basic outline pretty much and then when we started doing the interviews I started adding more to the outline and then when we were done with the last interview I took everything that I had and we started basically storyboarding and everything that is in the documentary I had at that time.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_00]: When we started storyboarding basically took a white board with with Mary the story outline in the credits and we basically just made a bunch of squares on this on this whiteboard and yeah we mapped out the entire film and then when we were done with that I went in and started editing all the videos.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I should mention for the interviews themselves I asked them all the exact same question.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay yeah yeah yeah except if there were like Jerry Reese like if when I was talking to Jerry I didn't ask him like an animated question I had obviously you know.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of just made a bunch of highlights with different colors on what I should ask different people pretty much and yeah it took a lot of time.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay this probably that portion of the making of the thing probably took from October like middle of October through I think it was early January when we did the last interview and then from January to very early May was when we finished the film and then that was all post production time.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And then everything before that was great production stuff just writing down the questions seeing what we had seeing getting all the stuff that was already available online there wasn't much of it but like pictures of the outside of the building media stuff from 1989 stuff like that making all the contacts and everything.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_05]: How excited were you well I'm excited but if for me I would be really excited because I'm interviewing story people yeah so I sort of already know going into it these people can they know how to tell linear story yes.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It's really it's not was there a lot of bouncing around you know where you had to go like oh god this is going to be a pain to edit yeah okay really all right there was one interview where I nearly canceled the film why.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_00]: There was it wow yeah it was it was.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: What happened I um it was a great interview it wasn't bad or anything it was just so good that I nearly canceled the thing what do you mean.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to explain I forget who it was I'm trying to think of even who it was because it's such a blur but there was just so much that they gave me that I didn't know about and it was like how am I going to add this to the film.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But then that's when it became in the 40 minutes long because it was only supposed to be 30 minutes.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay wow the original outline was a 30 minute film and then this interview happened and then it was an hour and 30 with them.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_05]: So it expanded your essential worldview on the project and you were did you was maybe like oh my god this is too much pressure I can't I can't do it there was a lot of justice that was going to.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: There is a lot of times that was wow.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Is this a pet project though for you right like this is a hobby or was that is this your profession.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_00]: No it's hobby.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay yeah it's he even then at some point everybody when you know we're just podcasts right but every probably every other day I'm going it's a lot of pressure for just a hobby this.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to do it right now I really don't and then you do it and it's like fun but you go through that and I imagine especially looking at that wall of information and going oh this is a lot this is going to be way more at my free time than I necessarily want to give right now.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_05]: How do you push through and see it through?

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I so out of that interview I it gave me this outline for the ending it wasn't the person that's in the ending but it was it gave me the outline because they just explained about the closing and mentioned this thing about where the.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_00]: The equipment went and they also mentioned that there was somebody there like in the last day and I'm like okay I have to find that last person and it just happened to be Aaron because I had Aaron on my list before I knew really anything about him.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I just knew that he was there from like day one and it just so happened that he was also the last person to walk through the door as an animator which was because I didn't have to find something else.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah so they gave me the ending and I was like okay so I had the ending and then they gave me a bunch of other stuff and I was like how am I going to do this and it was a lot of.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean at some point you go too far you can't turn back or you've wasted more time than you would waste.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I didn't think it was a waste of time I was just like I don't know how I don't know how I'm going to do this but just hearing everybody's stories and hearing how people so many people that were in this were very excited for a.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the thing like because this is not the first time that something like this has been tried to be made.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: The film you mean yeah they've tried to make a film about this before it's just over down the ground so the animators involved yes and really yeah and I did hear that.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Because of this film things are being talked about but I can't talk much about that.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow that's cool yes you yeah so I just kind of like I was like I like these people deserve their story out there like there's.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_00]: If I don't do this it's going to not happen ever I was I was afraid so I just yeah that's the whole point I made it because it was just like.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a personal gain like I've seen a lot of growth on my channel and that's all well that's great I'm not complaining about that at all but that was not the point of making the film.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to make a bit film was presenting a great story.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah I mean I was watching this thing I'm like this kid doesn't even have ads in his and his documentary let's go on.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Why is he monetizing let's go baby we got to get five dollars from YouTube or whatever it is these folks clearly wanted to tell their story yes yes.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah you could you could feel that from them and that's what really struck me it took a few minutes to kind of get into it and then once I started identifying these people like this.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_04]: This attraction was part of my childhood I remember going to mgm.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Disney mgm in the early days and really looking forward to going through this.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Well I don't know if you can say child her that you're a.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I remember going to Disney and Gets do.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you're younger than me which makes it funny yeah but it was you know that that was so cool to see all this stuff happening and then to hear their stories first hand.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you had me like after it only took a few minutes and like okay I'm I'm in.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in a half let's go let's go that's exactly why I wanted um animators telling it because I was like they're going to tell it better than me obviously like it's going to be boring let's not me tell the story it's going to be really cool for them to explain it.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah yeah little bit of both in there which is good I mean I you but you know scripted.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah and some of the the best interviews we've done are people who were a boots on the ground and they're just telling stories about their time and and people are always going to want to listen to it especially.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And a thing that's no longer there I mean Disney fans have this you know maybe it's an obsession maybe it's a cult like kind of thing for what's not there anymore yeah.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_05]: We wanted to get up we want to learn about it we want to you know we want to limit the fact that things have changed and it's not there and and sometimes that's not healthy.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And sometimes it's warranted so you know you talk about at the end like this the animation Academy or whatever it's now the Star Wars launch base and for something as is meaningful as to guests like Eric apparently.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And to the animators who work there whatever to now just be a walk through of star of a purchased IP is kind of horrendous and as much as I love Star Wars.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like this is not you know.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah there's nothing to do with animation I mean there's the animated Star Wars things that aren't represented in there what the building now is a trotace it really is.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And and you know.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a good relationship with people in Disney but I will say that I've.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I've never had a single conversation that has never has said anything good about Disney or I doubt not Disney about launch.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay never had never had never had a conversation about launch.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh because it's just something to do yeah people that even work there know it's bad and yeah.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably why it's going to be going soon.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a bunch of posters.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty much is it maybe you can see Chubaca.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah it's our launch bay better than Disney World launch bay or Disney lands launch bay is better because at Walt Disney World it's it is sad.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: It's never went in I don't even know if it was a route I don't know what was there when we were there 2015 was it would have been in inventions 2015 oh there you go perfect.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah we didn't see that.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah we did.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_03]: In inventions yeah at Disney World.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know I don't think so like the whole thing was a rosé filled.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if I'm wrong.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think we went into an event okay that was my was overheating my brain was melting.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That's true.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And the only way I can cool it down was cans of yinling and cans and giant cups of rosé at the pool.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_05]: It's only way to experience it's a launch bay.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit strange apparently.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah that's what that's what I have it.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah I like the timeline that you took everybody through where you know from the one of my favorite parts came early on when they were like.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah I was in there it was basically going hey can you take some of that land that you can't just make a sound stage and I'm like it's like the most I was in there thing I've ever heard of.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah and let's end it happened like oh yeah okay great.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_05]: The neat it was it's interesting to hear about the scale and some of the infrastructure and logistics I suppose of how these animators going like how are we going to staff.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah to full time animation studios on either coast that are just tied to the both of our parks sort of kind of and not really.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_05]: That had to be insane and so you go through and you talk I mean you go through you talk to the HR.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Late someone from HR about hiring people and it and it.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of in me this going like well you had to hire people just off the street almost to get bodies in first.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Well what I what I loved about that part of the film hi I'm tearing.

[00:27:25] Hey.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_03]: What I loved about that part was that there were there are some photos and things of these college students and these just college art students and I had this like intense like jealousy of like just that time.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Of like can you imagine being an art school at some college and just having Disney come in and basically hiring anybody who's willing like it didn't even sound like they were very like.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't if you had experience in paint.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go let's try it out like you can be a test and you just think can you imagine just like starting your career with Disney because they just showed up at your college while you were a junior or whatever like.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_05]: They needed a warm body or the paintbrush.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they said I think they said there was 70 people it was a 70 person studio when it first opened probably 68 of those were straight out of college.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: There was so many college straight out of college people like very young people making their first films in that studio.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Let an excellent way to start your career.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah well and one one of the gals if for good or names she was like you know I got promoted basically fast tracked every movie that came through the studio.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I got promoted because I was yeah Rachel yeah not because I was good but because they needed to think and I'm like well Rachel Rachel came in and the first actual film she worked on was lying king.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_00]: That's insane yeah that's the variable come on my way.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: The films I mean the films in there that were made is just incredible like you're talking to people that as an audience you're hearing people from people that worked on.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Aladdin and and and lying king so like that it's just saying to think about.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but in the beast lying king Aladdin.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it was apparently then they got movie lumbishes their first full length animated feature to be done entirely at the at the Florida studios right there which is crazy to me to think that you're going to be walking through.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_05]: But you know as a guest not knowing what's going on and then I don't know your later go oh yeah I think I saw someone drawing that I mean maybe not but you know you feel like you could I guess.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah one thing that they talk that you guys talked about in the film was.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Rabbit roller coaster was that what it was called a roller coaster rabbit roller coaster rabbit which yeah all everybody talking in the film talked like this was like.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I like at a well known like movie and I'm like I have never heard of this in my mind.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I've never heard of it either dude like oh this looks great though I got a lot.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like I'm a big Roger Abbott fan but like I was like what did I miss.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah apparently the first thing made at the Florida animation.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't remember what movie that short appeared before, but I know I've seen it at least once I loved Roger Abbott too one of those shorts was a.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what maybe it was honey I shrunk kids.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean I shrunk ourselves or something because that was that.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean we shrunk the short I don't know yeah.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_05]: It's probably.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean we up the baby blew up the.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah honey I exploded the child.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a different movie.

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_05]: There's there's a big there's a big heart section I suppose it in the movie where you're talking about the animators and they're basically saying like we were from all over the country.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_05]: We relocated to Florida and we didn't fit in anywhere.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_05]: We didn't belong and so we just worry each other's family and we hung out not only just at work and you know but we would go walk around the park or we would would hang out on the weekends.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And our families would get together and we would have birthdays and they were like a real community of people.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And there were they would go to what Disney Springs I guess now so whatever they would go to like the Virgin record store and by CDs and they go shopping and it kind of reminded me sort of like Walt's original vision for Epcot.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_05]: We're not here living there where it's like oh we're working there we're playing here we're spending all of our company script in this.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_05]: But it was really cool and strangely beautiful in a way where these these people didn't feel like they fit in so they had to just form these familiar bonds with each other.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's the story that you're talking about you know and that's this that's what you could miss if you don't talk to these people if you just go all the building was built in 19 you know whatever and these movies were made and that's it but that's not you know there's that deeper personal connection that you get to in a really nice paste manner.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah all of these animators that are in these films are just so I mean everybody in this film not just the animators that the everyone up to like Bob was are just so you wouldn't if you met them.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't know that they worked on these incredible films they are so humble and and so nice.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean most of them are reached out to and they got back to me within like a couple hours and they were like yeah whatever you need you know we we heard that we've heard that this is happening whenever and whatever you need just let me know.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_00]: They've helped with marketing promoting the film one of them there it's actually being screened in in Lancaster Pennsylvania where I'm from because of Matt Novak who's in the film.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_00]: He works at the Pennsylvania College Martin design so he got it there and that's being screened on November 1st.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Rachel is such a nice woman I'm actually I'm going out to California actually this week and she's yeah she's just like you know go out to dinner I'm like yeah you know just the animator sure yeah.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_00]: She's still working at the at the company. Yes, she still does make it a nice. Yeah, she works at the Burbank studio.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_03]: That's cool she can take you around. Was it harder to get like animators who are currently working at Disney to do interviews with you because I know that they sometimes have roadblocks.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah Rachel is probably one in the movie that currently works for the company for animation there was somebody who I tried to get in contact with he was on board he wanted to do it and then.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_00]: A division of the amount of imaginary block that I'm going to say which one but a distinct division of imaginary.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Mark Han almost got blocked because he retired recently and they initially didn't allow him to do interviews.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So we waited on that one and then came back and he was like yep, I'm doing it you know he was nice.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: That guy you wouldn't even know what he did like literally like I forgot I was talking to the guy that created Ariel when I was talking.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I thought like I was talking to him and I he just felt like a fan like I was you know it's talking you know movies about with these people you feel at least I felt like I was talking to just a fan.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It was on these people are unbelievable.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah it's it's I want to say it's the Disney hiring method yeah or it's just the fact of working at Disney where people who have giant egos don't last very long or you know or they're not pleasant or they wouldn't reach out in the first place but.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I think you have so many talented people so many hundreds of working on a film right and they keep there he goes and check because we can all do the thing that we're talking about you know to me and maybe someone could draw waves better than I can or whatever but we all can do the same thing we're all the same basic level kind of.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_05]: So there's no competition I feel like that makes you a little more friendly of a person and then you know to me and it very much like we've we've spoken to a few people that used to work at the company and they're all just these.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_05]: You just want to be friends with everybody.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And you feel like you just chat with your friend like oh wait no actually have to like or after running interview right now yeah so you know and but it is it's that Disney connections at Disney quality that it's it's cool to see.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_05]: A common threat you know around every every interview that you know that you get and I think to a certain extent to work it is and you have to have that level of like ability.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Timmy who's at the end of the film he worked at the imagine the animation academy teaching the drawing.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah he is like we I probably I probably text him like every month or so just chat us like it just have a conversation he's such nice guy.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool yeah the film reached I do remember the film reached another level during the interview process when we got in contact with Bob boys and Mark had.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_00]: When Mark it was really when Mark can accepted because that was somebody that immediately there were two people that I wanted involved with the film max Howard and Mark and I got both.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So when we got Mark.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I was I was very ecstatic and he's great in the film.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Bob boys I sent that email on a on a whim this guy's involved with it he like was you know head of he was like creatively on.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like he's probably not going to respond but there's no.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no hurt you know if I get him it would be great if I don't know whatever.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and then within a half an hour you responded and he was scheduled within like 40 minutes and I was just like.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not always the way man where it's like you you sort of second guest yourself and you pump yourself up and I do this especially when I try to reach out to people like we just reached out.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_05]: We just have to interview with Stan Freeze who's like the former Disneyland band leader.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah yeah yeah and man I himdened hard for months about trying to reach out to him like there's no way this guy is going to freaking talk to us.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like who are we and he was just like and I wrote him and it took a couple days from to get back because he's retired but he's busy working at the knots right now.

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And he just writes back sure with the next equation point and I'm like what the hell does that mean is it yes do you want to do it or you just like yeah sure whatever.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And it was one of the best time to ever had because that dude's just laughing the entire time is such a nice man.

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah and it's it's those moments where you kind of go like maybe I don't need to second guess I have value.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean I'm the thing and I can connect with this person and I don't know you know what I mean like we're sort of in the same industry kind of sort of entertainment.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I know I do know that I had a stronger pitch than than most for interviews because I have I had something that most of them.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to talk about and some of the time like with Jerry and Bob it's like that.

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: The people like that he they don't really talk about that project all that often so it was a much stronger pitch than like you know let's just talk about your career which yeah you've worked sometimes and that's great on that it that's amazing that's my favorite type of interview.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's really great to do where it's just like let's talk about your career but don't fortune the most people don't like to do that.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Well you can you can you can kind of meander through a whole thread but I agree if you have appointed.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah specific thing and these are the questions I'm going to do whatever.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I bet you're probably in more than now as as as I know that exactly how I got Bob boys was because he's now he's never talked about that.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a very hard project publicly to my knowledge.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I think a lot of high level people are like that too especially if they're busy right.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And you know you go this is exactly what I want from you and this is exactly what we're going to cover and it's a lot easier for them because I do think some people as.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Open and gregarious as they are they don't some people don't like to talk about themselves or don't like to reminisce or do whatever but you know they want to share information so yeah I mean that's I think that's the best way to do it you know.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's really cool so you talk in there of course there was a big expansion for the studio because you know everything was going well.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_05]: But the expansion almost sounds like it was sort of the downfall in a certain way because like broke it like broke up that community.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah and there's a few moments where people are kind of lamenting that fact where it's like we were a community and we didn't then we didn't see each other as much.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Because you can go to the library or you know this big building and people weren't around as much anymore and I wonder if you know if work I don't work suffered but yeah I don't know did you get a sense that that was sort of like the beginning of the end kind of thing.

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_00]: From these people.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah I got I got a feeling I mean I I knew the story obviously but if I would where to go back in time.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it certainly seems that that writing was on the wall.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I heard a mix of opinions on the closing I heard some people that were shocked by it and I heard some people that knew was going to happen and some people even knew was going to happen and had left before it happened.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah there's always rumors with that you know yeah yeah and yeah the expansion was both blessing and occurs because they could finally do.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Bigger movies but when there was one flop that was all it took.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah brother bear is kind of what the since that I got from the movie was like that was it should have done more.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And and I think there was also outside fact I think there was certainly company politics that I had to really be careful when talking about that in the film.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think there were certainly some issues with that certainly did some folks that had not are not were not in the company anymore that had been when the studio was built.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_00]: That viewed it a little bit differently now should have and maybe thought that everything should be concise into Burbank.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Because essentially that's what they were trying to do they were trying to take the most talented artists from Florida moved them to Burbank.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So they can make what in their head we're going to be better films but in reality it completely backpired because most people left.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Well and what that's what I understand is because you know you could take you you cut up film like the Lion King and you know you talk about the specific segments that were produced in Florida.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And I mean the Lion King is arguably the most well known animation from Disney from Disney you know ever right top two whatever.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_05]: So how do you justify as a company going like well we could do better if everybody was over here what do you mean you could do better it's you could cheaper probably.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_05]: But maybe not also because it got you know Florida salary versus California salary.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah and all that kind of stuff it just it seems like like someone justifying their job to like well let's consolidate and save 2% on the budget.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also really funny considering that they they shut down what's it called.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_05]: My people imagine in favor of she can hold yeah you talked about that a little bit you had clips of that movie I didn't know anything about it have no idea so it was really neat you have these pretty name these projects that sort of work cancel.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah you know whatever it's like oh it's fascinating to me.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah my people's they weren't really working on a lot at the time of closure that didn't come to fruition there was the a few things that Aaron and his crew were working on like storyboarding that never really went anywhere.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but my people is the big one that didn't happen that was supposed to I mean they were do they were doing character models stuff like that.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and yeah and everything that is in the film to my knowledge that's everything that's available everything else you either not exist in or destroy it along the way.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Where do you where did you get that from I mean you talk actually well that just abroad that's a broad question that's open it up because you did talk about like finding this footage.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And and at what point do you where do you go for that how are you digging around for them so the footage of the characters in a movie theater is an animation test.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm at that time somebody made an animation test for those characters.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Some of that stuff was from the archives because of it's just curious what they had and they had the model sheets.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Did you get to dig through archives like is it archive for research?

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I did not get to visit it and I did not get to dig through it but I I'm contacted somebody and said hey what do you have from my people's and they said this is what we have and it was just the model sheets.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Cool yeah.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_05]: That's awesome are you going to are you going to go to archives when you're out here?

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh I might if I'm allowed to see if you can I mean it's weird ask probably but it's we've been once it's a trip man.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a trip.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I can I probably call it it's not secret I've talked about it before so many invited me to the animation building.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Nice so yeah I'm going to get to go there.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm going to be able to go over to the lot or not.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I would like to see the archive building and to see the seven door building and to see the old animation studio but I don't I don't know if that.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, yeah it's a great tour if you have if you have the time yeah that's sweet dude.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_05]: One thing I want to ask you about and then we'll let you go because it's getting late.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_05]: But just from a technical standpoint when you're you're shooting interviews.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, obviously it's like on zoom or we're not in the same room with everybody right?

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was actually on zoom yeah.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay yeah and I mean not that it's like brand specific but I admit more of the fact that like you weren't in the same room with them.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah sure.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_05]: But for for stuff like this you know where we're just talking is it's we're mainly an audio you know podcast we put the video up.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_05]: You know the things like I don't worry about your camera position or lighting or whatever but making a movie how do you how do you release it?

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_05]: That kind of like creative control I guess and be like well look I'm going to trust these guys that you do whatever.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_05]: This the from an audio quality standpoint it sounds great.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so you don't have to worry about that but like the camera you how do you not they were okay.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was not something I was going to bring up to them because I didn't really want to.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a certain there's a certain point where you can't ask too much exactly yeah I didn't want to like when when the reason Bob was is is voice only is because he was like out of the office that day.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_00]: You know like something like that that dramatically changes the film that I was like.

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Not really happy about that but like what are you going to do it's it's it's it's Bob was and even said like you know if you need to reshoot just let me know and what will you know we can reshoot something.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_05]: But I wasn't gonna you know I didn't want to how much do you put people out that's that that's the external internal question is like what do you say that you know we didn't have to reshoot anything.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it worked I think what you did work yeah but yeah I mean.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I did the best that I can with the video.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But I just tried to do is just make it high the actual resolution high quality.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I think I think I think I'm pretty sure.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah and I think it looks I think it looks great I think you know it's very clear that you put a lot of effort into it and I just mean from a standpoint of like.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_05]: You know you're not going to be in charge of what angle.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, like you get like the three quarters or you know because you would want normally you know like at least a two camera shoot or something like that you can't have that so you have the one on for me I would be doing nothing but thinking about that.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_05]: The entire time I'm doing the interview because that's my brain is insane and so I guess I don't know if you're the same way but if you are how did you get over that that's that's all I was asking.

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So what I did with that is every at the beginning of every interview I said.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So the way that I this is what I told him I said the way that I'm going to be recording this is I'm going to be recording to every interview I'm going to be recording to the cloud of zoom because when you record to the cloud it records whoever is speaking it takes from there camera.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not taking from the the zoom meeting.

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_00]: That's smart so there that competition where will be larger and therefore be higher quality.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So I said when I asked the question I will mute and then give me a few minutes so that I get off screen before you start talking.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah nice and and they did there was a couple times where it came in a little too early but it was fine I put be roll over that you know so.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't even notice as a guy who looks for flaws I didn't the I would have noticed no and I've noticed yeah.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I look I think it's I think it's great I think it's a it's an awesome way to have interviews about subject matter that people care about without having to fly all over the country.

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, to figure it out you know what I mean and that set up in that cost and I feel like you did an extraordinary job for the budget that you had and time that you had to do it.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean it's you know it's it's awesome and hopefully you know if there is a project in the works you can be part of that too man.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_05]: You know because I think I think it's your.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't see passion I feel like it's overused but I feel it's your it's your guidance in telling the story that came through more than anything.

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Which I think is neat I don't know and that's why I guess I like documentaries especially from you know young people being old myself I can't say.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know to me where it's like it's it's and I guess that's the the content creator mentality as well too or I'm just going to make this stupid thing I'm going to make it I'm going to do it.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think what that does it helps people develop how to tell a story rather than getting hung up on technology or like I said like they oh well what what angle do I shoot from.

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Well I need this light I need to put diffusion on the thing whatever's like no we can just don't worry about it just do the same right.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's that's the the interest that you have in the topic and the desire that you have to get the story out is is very very clear.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean honestly the camera.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_00]: That was the least of my worries.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I was more focused on how do I.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_00]: How do I make how do I make these transitions you know that was a big thing because it was like how do I guide a store even though I asked them all the exact same questions was like how do I guide a story without me talking because that.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I was my goal I was like I do not want you to hear my voice except for the production logo and I met that goal I do not talk a single time in this whole thing it is all animators and people who work at the boat.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm very proud of myself for that.

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's I met that it's yeah well I think it shows that the.

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_05]: You're planning and your writing is very solid because you can't do what you did without having all of that groundwork laid in the first place.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the possible yeah so I think it's I think it's awesome and you know I only only you know talking about the camera stuff just because that's what I did.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_05]: You know I've done I've done a bunch of stuff before too and it's like I obsess over that I've heard word and I love I love talking about yeah no I love to I'm not and I it's I'm worried that it's coming across as a negative that's not what I mean.

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I really I really want to make that clear because it's it's for me.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I focus on dumb stuff yeah and I want to know from other creators if they focus on dumb stuff too or if you are smarter than me and you can go the stories much more important I don't really care.

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I'm not worried about it. I'm talking I'm talking to these these Disney legends know to me and about telling telling the story that I want to tell.

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And it sounds like it sounds like you're not like me at all which is great for you. Yeah, he probably you probably sleep really well.

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean I did focus on dumb stuff during this but I mean other than that it was of course yeah good camera.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was a concert in post production more so than everything gets blown up and post everything is like oh my god is this going to and then it can release it and was like dude this is awesome.

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah. I mean everything works out fine. Yeah. Anyway, everybody we've been talking with Dane he is the director of a great documentary called Behind the Glass the WDW animation building Dane where is the best place people can watch this movie on your YouTube channel.

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes on YouTube dot com slash c slash big beautiful days or you can just look up beyond the glass on Google it'll come right up.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love it great job. What else do you do you you mentioned your part of like a collective and you have a pot or something like yeah, I do yeah I do the side podcast I do that created tonight at every once in a while.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I took a break for the summer on on my channel but I'll be coming back real soon with some some videos about Disneyland.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Nice yeah and actually.

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I listen I have never I never said this before at all.

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I actually recently started working on something for an extra so awesome what is it another film yes awesome very cool.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_05]: You want to you want to give us a hint or you're going to keep it for yourself you're going to be selfish.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess there's a theme it's another it's about another animation studio.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, okay sounds like sounds like we'll leave it at that but we'll we'll definitely go to the channel hit the follow button.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Like and subscribe.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the you don't know whatever yeah, Dane I really appreciate it man. Thank you very much. It's been great.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_05]: The movie was a treat and it was really fun to see not only these people just talk about their handy how much fun they were having and how they would forget that there were guests around and then to justify them.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just those kind of stories they stick with you.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_05]: It was really great so everyone please do we've ever go check it out behind the glass the WDW animation building and Dane we're going to let you split we're going to take a break.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to come back in Eric is going to regal us with something I don't really know what maybe just this camera angle.

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Great.

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Why not?

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay anyway we're going to take a quick break everyone will be right back hang on.

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Back to yours up where the opinions never stop ever.

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright welcome back everybody big thanks to Dane coming on the show and I just really season florida 12 30 almost there.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah he's like he's probably let me go to bed no see this is not now I'm going to be thinking about this.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not Jeremy Jeremy you can feel bad for.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh he got I got a bad Jeremy it's too long the afternoon I know.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah it was really great it was really great documentary there and it's always good to see I don't fan fan edits that's not the term look for.

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_05]: So he's good to see documentaries from like not big production houses or whatever it's it was neat it was really fun it was impressive.

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_05]: God and I know what he meant about like being excited my voice changed my voice.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm about like landing these big interviews like that's awesome yeah so many big people.

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to ask but I figured you guys probably already went over it before I came in but like how did he even get their contact like how did he said he he was very cheeky about it.

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_05]: He's very sneaky he said I can't really tell you but I have contact so I'm like I say no more brother I feel as a fellow contact have her.

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I get it yeah you don't want to breathe I don't want to ruin them don't worry about you're good.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah it's good to know people sometimes I guess.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah anyway good stuff so appreciate.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Dane from coming on and yeah go check it up behind the glass the WDW animation building which again I never knew existed I had no idea.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_05]: But even if you don't really care about attraction history or whatever there's a lot of cool little nuggets from the movies that they worked on in Florida like Aladdin and Mulan and Lilo and Stitch and stuff like that so you get a lot of good trivia little nuggets here and there.

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_05]: There's something for everybody something for every fan base here yeah it's good you know what else is good if you're going to the parks at all hit up concierge go to concierge.com.

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And they're going to help you plan your trip to the parks especially if you're going the next few months so many things that are closed.

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And being refurbished and what's opening soon and whatever and you don't really know and then just as much as stuff going as much a change is who cares who knows it's happening but you know who knows is the concierge people.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_05]: They're always going to know because they're they have their ear to the ground and while you're at work doing stuff.

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_05]: They are religiously savagely even surfing the web looking for the latest information for you to help you have a good time also help you maybe save a little bit of cash you know the one of the coolest things I heard i think Eric said.

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Which is a shocker everybody. But if they if you book if they book a hotel for you and then later on there's a way to get that same hotel at a lower rate they're going to track that for you and they're going to automatically apply that and then refund you the difference of the things so they actively will save you money it's pretty great when they do that yes it's kind of nice I like it yeah so check them out.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Consiers dot com they are official travel partner and then we'll help you have the best vacation you've ever had in your entire life guaranteed guarantee money back that's one thing.

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_05]: That's one thing comes here said they say if you don't have the best time of your life if you're married this will be better than your marriage we better than your wedding you better than your honeymoon you have kids better than the birth of your children.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_05]: You get free trip and your next trip is free to and that is a that is a concierge guarantee you're going to get an email.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Please please direct all all attempts at refunds to.

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Disney dot go dot net.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah you don't pay concierge so.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking but actually that then it's true you get refunded your zero dollars.

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay yeah that's fair.

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_04]: All right what he got for us man you go something right I got a little something about a woman whose name is on a window.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_04]: That's right on a window.

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah well on a window that's a weird last name woman whose name is on a window did I pronounce that weirdly I'm sorry.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't actually know if you're joking is her name on a window or is she on a window.

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Her name her name is painted on a window her name is painted painted on a window.

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay okay.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_05]: She's native of America.

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So her name is not on a window.

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_04]: No it's paint was not on a window and her last name is on a window.

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Well off to a good start here.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Is this Lee rigden?

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Her window is on main street USA at Disneyland.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It reads ambassador finishing school Sicily Rigden instructor.

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_04]: It is right above the China closet store.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_04]: This is this is a person who I really didn't know a lot about until I was on.

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Well I wanted the tours that I took at Disneyland last year when I took the main street tour where we got to go into Walts apartment and everything.

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And the ambassador who was or the the the the plaid who was taking us through the tour pointed out that window is one of his favorites because she's the one who started the ambassador program.

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh it's cool and she is the only person outside of the Disney family to hold a key to Walts apartment.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and he was around.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh wonder why are we are we insinuating something?

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh let's get into this sorted story.

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is not started at all.

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Sicily was born in 1923 and Bradford England.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Her maiden name was Sicily Bulland and she married an American after World War II Glenn Rigden.

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And Glenn brought her back to the USA in 1946 and they moved to Long Beach, California in 1950.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: When her daughter's got a little bit older, she decided well it's time to get to work.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I live in America and it's the 50s is time to get a job.

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yes.

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_03]: The kitchen and get a job woman.

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So Sicily living in Long Beach decided the best place to work was Disney land down the street.

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_04]: She never brought an application.

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a park man the 50s were a wild time right she she just showed up.

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_04]: It's awesome at Disneyland and wanted a job and declared that she she would like to interview for jobs.

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_04]: She did this five times.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Dang before before she finally connected with the head of personnel Chuck Walen who gave her a job as a ticket seller because Chuck went wailing on that resume.

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and higher.

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Chuck decided that she would be a great ticket seller because she could add and subtract.

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_05]: My god, sometimes when you hear stories about women in the 50s and men just of must must have thought that women were like fresh out of the jungle.

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Like these are chimpanzee people.

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Like apple sauce brain.

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, just like well you can add it.

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Did you dress yourself?

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_05]: That's why women didn't wear shoes with shoelaces back then they slipped on because it was really taxing for the women.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_05]: You can add in some track she looks really pretty and she can read to.

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_05]: She has full executive function ever both of her hands she can all the pencil.

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Higher her but as a pencil holder.

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Is this exactly why we haven't had a woman president yet?

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that was not long ago.

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_05]: No, you're not wrong.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, how is could get a job then by that criteria?

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_05]: She should.

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure that it's a little more talking to you.

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_05]: That is very fun.

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, none of them and want this job.

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Who else will do it?

[01:03:31] Okay.

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, none of them could add in some track there.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_05]: There you go.

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, maybe that was it.

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_05]: It's the last job.

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_04]: No man could fill it.

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_04]: There you go.

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Sister did very well in this job.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: She sold tickets faster than everybody else and her drawer was always balanced at the end of her shift because she had it in subtracted so well.

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_03]: She really didn't do better than that.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, I love it.

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: In 1958 she was moved up to tour guide because she was given an option.

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_04]: There was there were seasonal layoffs happening and they said, we don't need more ticket sellers.

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: because the summer is over.

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_04]: If you want to keep a job here,

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_04]: you need to become something and she chose Tour Guide.

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Very quickly she was promoted to lead of the entire team.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: She suggested that Disneyland cell guided tours

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_04]: to guests who were coming in on Greyhound buses.

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's a good idea for she started it.

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Why does the key?

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_04]: There we go.

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, you're taking the Greyhound in

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and hey, why not buy a guided tour of Disneyland

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_04]: when you get there?

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Tour is at this time started out at the hub end of Main Street.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And once they became popular,

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_04]: that was kind of a,

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_04]: they decided that was a bad area to have everybody congregating.

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_04]: So they established the garden that we see now,

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_04]: which is on the west side of the entrance,

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_04]: just past the railroad.

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Just as you pass in,

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_04]: there's that little area they've got a private bathroom,

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_04]: a little hot that everybody's in.

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you walk past it.

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_05]: It's easy to miss.

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_05]: But if you go to City Hall, you're too far.

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, that's been there since the late 50s

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and that was because of her making these tours more popular.

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_05]: You know what, honestly,

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_05]: if you next time you go to the park,

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_05]: even if you're not going to meet for a tour

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_05]: to go in the area,

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_05]: because you can still walk in there, I think,

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_05]: at least, whatever there.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And it is kind of a quiet, unique little space.

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: It is.

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And you can talk to the tour guides.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: They're usually hanging out.

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah?

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's usually somebody in the morning.

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: There's usually somebody in there

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and they're very friendly.

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: You can just hang out, ask them questions,

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: whatever, learn about what tours are going on today.

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Nice.

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, through the 1960s,

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: tours rose in popularity even more.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_04]: She as the lead,

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Sicily designed different tours of the park

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and trained all of the new guides.

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_04]: She decided that as a proper British woman,

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: she would use her upbringing

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and establish a sort of standard for all of the tour guides.

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So she is the one that taught everybody

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that they had to be proper.

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: They had to use proper British manners.

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: They had to dress in that writing sort of outfit

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_04]: with the plaid.

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Ow, she established all of this.

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And she even in the 60s,

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_04]: such as it was, you know,

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_04]: it's not, it's still the 60s,

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: but she established a certain sort of cultural sensitivity,

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: learning how to approach guests from other countries

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: and teaching people to understand

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: that they don't have the same background

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: that everybody else coming into the park might have.

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_05]: So far as personal space or,

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, yeah, some of those things like,

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_04]: don't smile with your teeth to certain cultures

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and learn what people want to do,

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_04]: what they find important when they come into the park

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and yeah.

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_04]: So cool.

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_04]: She started all of this.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_04]: She even established a,

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_04]: she developed a crew of tour guides

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_04]: where at one point they had a 120 different tour guides

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_04]: who spoke up to 11 different languages.

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Good Lord, that's too much.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_05]: It's overkill.

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, like I mentioned,

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_04]: she established the question outfits that they had.

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And in 1964, she was put in charge

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_04]: of the division of tours tickets and guest relations.

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_04]: This is around the time when she became the keeper

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_04]: of the keys.

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_04]: She was trusted to ensure that Walt's apartment was clean

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and dusted whenever guests were expected.

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And Sicily stalked the room with food and drinks

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: whenever anybody was gonna be around.

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So that little Tom and Jerry bowl,

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: she probably brought all the liquor and dumped it in there.

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: That's awesome.

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: She'd get her Tom and Jerry recipe.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_04]: She continued this tradition even after Walt had passed

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_04]: whenever Lillian was coming to the park.

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_04]: She made sure to let Sicily know

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_04]: so Sicily could have the apartment ready for her.

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_04]: In 1971, she was sent to Florida

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: to train the new crew of ambassadors there.

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And let's see, in 1982, she managed the Disneyland

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Ambassador to the World Program.

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_04]: She considered this a new start to her career.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Her husband had passed away and she wanted a new challenge.

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So she established the 13 ambassadors

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_04]: that didn't work in the parks,

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_04]: but were ambassadors around the world.

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_04]: They were the ones that were on TV all of the time.

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And I've spread the message elsewhere.

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_04]: In 1994, she retired her legacy.

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Sicily's legacy.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_04]: She was the first and only female manager

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_04]: in the parks for many years.

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And she was considered by many

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_04]: to be the definition of Disneyland customer service.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's a big deal.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's a big deal.

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what you think of.

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what's taught.

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: We teach it even at my company.

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know that you're going to get a certain level

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: of service at Disneyland.

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And it sounds like she really set that tone.

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_04]: That was really cool.

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_04]: That was her.

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it kind of sounds like they were just

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_04]: a rag-tag bunch of street reference until she showed up

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and smacked the riding crap in her hands.

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_04]: It said, all right, let's get scored.

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's a different.

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a parody on the different channel.

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's the bad news bears.

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_05]: But of Disneyland tour.

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_05]: There you go.

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: She was before she was in charge of so many things.

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_04]: She endeared herself to Walt Disney.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_04]: She didn't recognize him.

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And he came on to her in the park and asked how things were going.

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And she complained that she couldn't stand selling tickets

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_04]: in storybook land because the case he'd she

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_04]: in your train, song, was playing on the loop all day long.

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_04]: She couldn't stand.

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I could see that.

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I could see that.

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and he's like, wow, wait.

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just wait 10 more years.

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to have a better song that plays on a loop

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_05]: at a different part of the park.

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_05]: There you go.

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you think that's insufferable.

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Her window on Main Street was established just after her

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_04]: retirement.

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And in 2005, she had a Disney legend ceremony.

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So it was declared that Disneyland in Dord

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_04]: because Walt was a or she declared in her ceremony acceptance

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_04]: that Disneyland in Dord because Walt was a genuine,

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_04]: neat, nice and creative man.

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_04]: She never thought she deserved all the attention she got

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and the accolades she got because she was just doing her job.

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_04]: No, man.

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So Sicily passed away very not very long ago on December 31st,

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_04]: 2013.

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_04]: She worked for Disneyland for 37 years.

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, good for her.

[01:11:47] Yeah.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_05]: She kids stay in school.

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Learn addition and subtraction and you too can get a joke.

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And just show up at Disneyland.

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And have a good posture.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Just show up.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and a writing crop that I'll never hurt.

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's funny because she, this whole story reminds me

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_03]: of like when I started my current job.

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: The woman who I took over for was kind of she had this whole

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: program at our company that did not really work out because

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: millennials and Gen Z were coming in.

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But she was an older woman and she had this whole thing where

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_03]: like all of our receptionists she thought should wear scarves

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and blazers.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And we were like, so she did this and they expected me to

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_03]: continue it.

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, what are we real estate agents from 1994?

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just like, I was brand new.

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: So I like didn't fight it.

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But I just didn't do it.

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I just never did it.

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And then somebody asked one day and I was like,

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, I don't know that was something that she did.

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like, because I'm like, I'm not going to end up

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_03]: in a pin, like a gold pin and I'm like, we're not like,

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_05]: seriously, it's selling real estate in Florida.

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I picture currently today.

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, she retired.

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_03]: She was she's older.

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_03]: She's that generation.

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And you declared this tradition is over the second year.

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_05]: It's because I was like, yeah, the big, the big staff

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: she clunks it down.

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I declare.

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_05]: We were no longer look like plants to what were all.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and more of it was like our receptionists are

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: of the younger age.

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, there is no way that I have the drive

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_03]: to try and convince these people that they have to dress

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: a certain way.

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It's probably enough to make sure they don't show up

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_04]: in pajama pants.

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, and at the time not jeans.

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I think jeans have come around now.

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But like, I mean, at the time, like there were no tattoos

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that our company, like we've really expanded our what you can wear

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and have.

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, he got bless for Prague.

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, right.

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Big ups or progress.

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Good job.

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_05]: That's in the respect in the chat first,

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_05]: specs for a progress.

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_05]: You know what else are you going to respect?

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Summer is just around the corner.

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And our friends at the 21st Amendment

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_05]: were here are welcoming the warmer weather with open arms

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[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_05]: A sunny day, a smell of barbecue in the air and a cold crisp

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[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_05]: That's right, everybody.

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Do it.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Do it now.

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I had some news.

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_05]: But I don't want to do it.

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_05]: No, great.

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Think we can go in for a while.

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Are you going for a while?

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_03]: We did some last night.

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And we did a lot of news last night.

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_04]: That's true.

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_04]: You're getting this for free.

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_04]: You should pay us money and then you can hear all about the news.

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, there you go.

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_04]: There you go, yes, there.

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, let's get out of here.

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we're going to bounce actually before we do that.

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk a brief moment or two about our brand new show

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and then at work, Blaine, have this the boys.

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_05]: That is out at a release on Monday.

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_05]: We have three episodes for you and it's Matt and I.

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And if you don't know, Matt is the one who designed

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_05]: our my tie glasses from Christmas

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_05]: and the summer one from a couple years ago.

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_05]: So good dude, nice guy.

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_05]: He has a podcast called Shelter From a Blivion.

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_05]: You can find that as well.

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_05]: But overall, I'm going to visit the boys.

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_05]: What we do is we go through all of the or going through all

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_05]: of the live action old school Disney movies that were distributed

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_05]: by a boy to visit a distribution.

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's going to be a serial format.

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's seasonal.

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, excuse me.

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to do 10 episodes.

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to take a break, which is going to be awesome for you.

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a good idea.

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_05]: So we have three episodes up right now.

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Two are movies.

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_05]: One's a trailer and then we have two movies we talk about

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_05]: a shaggy dog.

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_05]: And then we do hot, let them cold feet.

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And basically I think I've said this before, but basically just run

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_05]: through the plot of the movie kind of what happened.

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And talk about that and then we give some cool facts

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_05]: and fun information about the movies.

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's a good time.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Excuse me.

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_05]: We just recorded one which I got to start editing next week

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_05]: called Moon Pilot.

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So if you want to get ahead of the game,

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I believe you can rent that on Amazon.

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's on Disney Plus.

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a movie.

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_05]: She's going to say that.

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a tough movie.

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a tough movie.

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_04]: That's when I have not seen some looking forward to this.

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_05]: It's, yeah, watch it.

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_05]: It's okay.

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_05]: With all of these movies, definitely watch them because they're worth it.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_05]: They're cute and whatever.

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_05]: But Moon Pilot was crazy.

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'll get that out.

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I think the week of September 9th, that's probably going to drop.

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And then the one after that we're going to do is the computer

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_05]: word 10 issues.

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Why don't nothing about it other than Kurt Douglas is in it?

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Kurt Cameron.

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Kevin McCarthy.

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_05]: What's his name?

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_03]: In what?

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Michael Douglas.

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Kurt Cameron.

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_03]: No, what's his name?

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_05]: You can't think of it because I've been

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_05]: poisoning your brain with this week different.

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_03]: What movie?

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Kurt.

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_05]: The computer word 10 issues.

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's, uh, he was married to Goldie.

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I think he still is.

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Kurt Cameron.

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's Kurt Cameron.

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not Kurt Cameron.

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_05]: No, no.

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_05]: You're never going to convince me.

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Otherwise.

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Kurt Russell.

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Kurt Russell.

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you very much.

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Kurt Russell.

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really proud of that.

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Good job, baby.

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm proud of you too.

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_05]: He looks weird because he's like

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_05]: 16 or whatever.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And he's just very puffy and odd looking.

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, anyways.

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_05]: So that's what we're doing over there on Windows to voice.

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_05]: So please go.

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It has its own RSS feed.

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't expect it here on this one.

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Go find it, check it out and, uh, you know, give us a few

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_05]: listens, man.

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I appreciate it.

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And then if you want to know more about all the other

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[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm trying to stall for time to find this button.

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[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I love how much you'd like to.

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm really pretty sure it's good movies.

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Definitely worth your time and you're going to learn

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_05]: at least one thing I guarantee you.

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's all you can really ask for these days.

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[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I appreciate you and until next time,

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_05]: we will see you in the parks.