EarzUp! | Bill Evans and the Landscaping of Disneyland

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[00:01:02] Er hat Spaß, aber noch nie. Er hat sich über die Worte. Er hat sich über die Welt zu über die Welt zu verändern. Und helfen Sie bei Tokio Disney und Disney Paris. So ich habe eine Menge cool Dinge über die Sache. Und es wird ein bisschen gecky als je plant names geht. Weil ich habe viele Plant Names. Ich habe die Nämmer der Worte, die Typen aus. Weil das immer interessant ist, dass ich mir sehr interessiert, ist, du bist, dass sie auch ein paar Plätze gibt. They're all different kinds, all different varieties, whatever, right?

[00:01:30] for the look and the feel of the place and whatever but like you just kind of go oh that's a that's a cool you know plant but i think it might be nice to be like oh that's a you know a japanese you know friggin tea plant or a red flowering costanza or whatever it is i don't know i think it's neat i think it's neat thing to to kind of like at least hear the names and maybe maybe one or two will stick and you're like okay cool or if you want to replicate some of this stuff

[00:01:56] in your own house oh yeah i used to text when i'd go to disneyland i would text my grandmother who was a huge gardener i used to text text her pictures of flowers and say what is this can i grow it in colorado the answer was usually no but but yeah she you know it was fun to fun to do that and yeah you know just kind of show off because she couldn't come out and join us so good times yeah so i'm hoping uh i'm hoping that'll you know maybe inspire a little bit of uh

[00:02:26] of joy next time you guys go to the park or at least a little bit of wonder as to how how they were able to to make all this stuff happen you know we've talked a lot about on this show about um you know just the planning stages of opening disneyland and and how all that happened within a year right but it's hard to fathom how much landscaping not only is a part of the overall feel for the park but how much time it takes to do all this stuff you know bill uh he has

[00:02:56] a quote somewhere where he's like i never thought that disneyland was finished until about three to five years after it opened because then everything had a chance to kind of grow in the plant life and you look at pictures of specifically frontier land what struck me like i was on i was on daveland web okay looking at photos because i when he's talking about so this interview i i read about him or

[00:03:20] read of him giving of the thing whatever it is um it was like in the 90s or whatever but he also wrote a book in the 60s so in the book he's referencing all these plants and where they are so i'm on daveland going are these plants still here can i find what they were you know they looked like and the answer is usually no because things have changed you know but specifically on frontier land what struck me the

[00:03:48] most on opening days there's nothing you know like the the skyline above the wall of a fort there's nothing it looks barren a barren landscape but then even five years later it's everything's lush and grown in so they really did a great job in in figuring out what plants to put in and how to play with and we'll get into a little bit how to play with the architecture and accentuate the architecture

[00:04:13] not take away from it so a lot of forethought was put into into the landscape and the hardscaping and uh so you know i got some some good stories about that i got some good quotes from bill uh to read is specifically one about a couple about walt really so we'll get into that i'm excited about that but before we do that if this makes you want to go to the parks and uh you know you really

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[00:05:27] jimmy was jimmy was a great guy that's all i'm gonna say he did all right yeah he sent me weird pictures and i don't want to talk about it but no well that's just jimmy for you that's that's an added service and he gave that to you for free yeah only just letting you know only conciears well he's a good guy though no only years up that was that was just special for you hell yeah dude i love

[00:05:50] that um i think eric what we're gonna do we gotta we're overdue for uh we usually do two shows a month and i think we need to do another show next week okay uh if you're available so eric i'll have a window by then i'm sure and um basically should be a lot of news because there's a ton of news to get through but i'm i already have been talking on this show for too long so i'm

[00:06:16] doing any news but i don't know if you saw i posted in the discord there was uh another nude person in disneyland the other day i did i did see the other nude person like climbing on the outside of tiana's and i'm like what the heck man god bless tiktok because i wouldn't have known about it otherwise uh yeah it's it's just you know what i'm gonna do today you have a psychological break i'm

[00:06:42] gonna i'm gonna ditch my clothes and i'm gonna climb a damn mountain well i think what it is he he he wanted to get dress coded so he would get free clothes from disney that's what it is was that what it was no no okay but you know i don't know if you knew like those uh those female influencers for a hot second were like wearing scantily you know barely like dental floss bathing suits or with a bunch

[00:07:07] a side boob and like oh i'm just getting dress coded and here i got a coupon for 75 bucks they're wearing a to get free shirt with taz flipping you off yeah i guess um and but they would get like they would they were literally doing it to try to get free shirts from from disney i guess it's working for a bit and then they're like no we're not going to do it no you can just leave now yeah stop

[00:07:31] whatever originally this show was just going to be about uh landscaping and the plants within uh the jungle uh cruise you mean ears up no the show that we're doing tonight oh okay yeah yeah it was a landscaping show i still would listen to it yeah well it wouldn't have been on this long tell you that but the more i read about bill and the more i read about uh just the the parks in general

[00:07:58] from the source material to get the information about the jungle cruise uh plantings i was like i don't think i can i don't think i can do a show just on the jungle cruise you know i there because there's so much information and it's so good uh just about in about the parks in general and uh you know there's not a whole lot about the information in the jungle cruise because at some point you know you picked plants and that's kind of it right okay it's harder to go it's hard to go in more in depth

[00:08:27] than that you know what i mean as much as i want to it is sort of like okay well they're plants and they live here now and i did a good job but i thought you were going to list a bunch of names i can i can't that could take up a few hours yeah and they are in reverse alphabetical order by their latin names uh no there's like 800 plants dude this is insane that's why i said it would take a few

[00:08:51] hours yeah i yeah so anyway let's get started here morgan bill evans who was the director of landscape design at wdi he led landscaping efforts at disneyland and later at walt disney world he did consulting on landscaping for epcot for tokyo disneyland and disneyland paris he wrote a book called disneyland world of flowers now you you can go buy it's out of print it was in

[00:09:20] 1962 is when it was released and i went on uh i went online to you know google to see oh where can it can i buy it can i read it whatever you can buy it on amazon for fifty nine hundred dollars oh no thank you no um but then i also found it on archive.org someone went to the uh los angeles library and took high quality photos of the of the book and put them online so i was able to read the the book so

[00:09:48] i put it in our discord channel so if you guys want to look through it and and read it's a short read it's like uh you know 60 72 pages including the uh the index that's it it's not that it's not that much but there's a lot of color uh photographs and then in the back there is all there are all the plants that they talk about in this thing in alphabetical order there's you know three pages of them uh so it's it's pretty cool if you're into that or if you're looking to like i was saying at the

[00:10:17] beginning of the show if you're looking to landscape anything or if you want like a feel for a certain area in the park maybe in your backyard or whatever it's a it's a pretty neat book to uh to kind of flip through and and get some ideas from there's also some cool stories in there too yeah cool so how did walt and bill meet well they first met walt first met bill and his brother jack evans when

[00:10:43] they did landscaping for walt's home in bel-air specifically helping to enhance the small steam train track that was recently installed in in walt's backyard you know walt was famously into like miniature trains and you know riding little trains so when he had that built um in his backyard he called up uh somehow you got the information for bill and jack and he said hey i need you to uh to you know landscape all this new crap i just put in my put in my house so bill and jack went over to walt

[00:11:13] and they decorated like the trestles and the bridges and built you know some mini berms and tunnels and all that kind of stuff for walt in his little his little train there are you saying that he hired some people to do some junk in his backyard and then said you know what i have a theme park for you uh yes so bill and jack got the gig to landscape disneyland after giving walt a tour of the family

[00:11:39] compound which was a few parcels of land that their family lived on each residence had a different theme to plants giving walt a good window into their skill set so that's a kind of a brief overview but the details are that uh the evans family got enough money to scrape together to buy several acres and what they did is that they kind of split up those acres into tiny parcels for each of the family to like

[00:12:04] build a house and have a couple acres i don't know how much land these people had but they had enough to build each individual house like the sister had some and bill had a house and jack had a house and they each had different theming to their to their landscaping depending on what was there so i guess their sister was kind of more um like sparsely landscape because they she had two big walnut trees

[00:12:30] on her part of the property so she built around that but bill's backyard and front yard was more around the tropical side of things so apparently walt calls them up and is like hey i have an idea for you guys and they go well why don't you come out to the house and we can show you what we've what we've done and how we can kind of like help you know help the park so he goes okay so walt was really impressed with all the different kinds of plants that they can make grow in these climates that traditionally

[00:12:58] they don't really grow in yeah now landscaping disneyland didn't just mean picking trees and plants and like that's it right it was what they call hardscaping which is walkways pavement uh planning where all those go uh planter boxes etc so okay it sounds like they you know the the grading of everything to make sure that the water doesn't collect in a certain place or whatever so it was much more than just just designing for plants they were they were uh helping to pick where

[00:13:28] the walkways would go sight lines that kind of stuff direct people around the certain ways and yeah you know through through the landscape okay yeah so the disney company kept him on contract for a few years until one day roy called bill into his office and said bill we've been engaged long enough it's time that we got married so which seems kind of out of place for roy roy always seemed kind of stuck up you

[00:13:54] know um but he sounds he sounds fun in this so he closed up his shop and went full-time as the director of landscape design for wdi putting not only bill on the payroll but all of his employees as well from the company which i thought was really nice yeah i feel like you don't see that these days you know and how big was the operation really that i don't know but i mean to to be able to land and

[00:14:21] hardscape a theme park like disneyland in a year i'm guessing at least 25 guys if not just jack and bill no no it can't no so in 1975 bill turned 65 years old that year the disney company adopted a mandatory retirement policy and so guys like yale gracie roger brogie bill evans and others attended a fancy retirement party at the studio they were told quote goodbye and good luck

[00:14:52] so they were that kind of forced retirement at 65 and apparently six months later roy calls him up and says hey we need your help doing uh wd or walt disney world and so he come he came back on as a consultant and kind of did that for another 20 years well yeah because there's always an exception to the rule if they really want you exactly yeah exactly i mean roy came back he was supposed to be retired

[00:15:17] and right who cares we need him yeah so how did bill get into this well bill's father was a hobbyist in the plant world experimenting with different unusual and rare plants testing their suitability for the la climate system eventually the evans boys took over their hobby from their dad and set out to cultivate these rare and exotic plants that nobody in the area had exposure to at the time

[00:15:44] which i thought was kind of neat you know oh yeah my dad's just a weirdo playing around in his uh you know greenery or whatever his greenhouse and then uh oh let's just cultivate these and sell them yeah why not take the hobby into something useful yes hi taryn hello hi hi hi hi hi so when we're talking about this uh you know the rest of the show picture yourself in disneyland in like 1960 or

[00:16:14] something like that this is not how the park looks today wherever the plants are but it is sort of the blueprint for it it's the design idea behind how the the park probably looks today um i wish i knew where some of these plants still were some of them are some of them do exist and i was able to find some of them but for the most part i just assume that they're gone somewhere i don't know i don't know what's going on but before we start let me ask you both what percentage of the plants at disneyland

[00:16:44] itself right because obviously it's pre-dca what percentage of the plants at disneyland are considered native to southern california what percentage yeah i would say 10 50 20 20 20 20 20 20 okay or native plants i know i think it's high but i'm going 20 hey man it's good maybe 10 10

[00:17:14] just five percent i was gonna say five the other 95 of plants were imported from other climate systems around the world which was clearly a challenge right in early meetings with walt at the orange groves that would soon be the site of five dollar bottles of water and landfill fodder bill evans and his partner jack reeves got a hold of an aerial photograph of the proposed build site with an overlay of the

[00:17:41] park build design and using these as a guide the two men laid plans for the general flow of the park making notes as to landscaping ideas and while they were at it were able to save dozens of trees from destruction during the early grading phase of the build out of disneyland so you know famously it was orange groves or some avocado trees there walnut tree whatever right so bill was able to go through

[00:18:07] based on these pre-plans and say okay i would like to save these trees because we can use them later on in the park somewhere okay just kind of thinking ahead and saying i want that that that that that because it'll fit in the jungle cruise and that one will look good over there and that one will look good over there and exactly yeah however most of the trees they had saved ended up being pulled out of the land anyway because the whole area was irrigated with a technique called flood irrigation which

[00:18:34] it's kind of in the name right you flood the land with water instead of the usual kind of direct root watering system and the park was not going to be set up for that kind of irrigation so they unfortunately had to go which had to have been kind of a blow right where it's like man i've done all this work i'm gonna pick all these trees nope sorry yeah we're not gonna be able to water them properly and i imagine that some sort of like root training system where you can't just transition from flood

[00:19:02] irrigation over to you know whatever they call the next one yeah there were also changes to the land that had to be made for the sake of the design of the park one being an old riverbed that ran through the property and happened to be right where the rivers of america tom sawyer's island and the jungle river ride were to live so because back then it was called the jungle river ride right so all of that had to be graded and taken into account before outlining the landscaping design so that's kind of the some

[00:19:32] of the hardscaping that i was talking about earlier where there's you know it was up to bill and jack to figure out water flow just natural rainfall how's how's everything going to drain out hey we got to carve this out to do this whole thing so um that was that was part of the design there now crews at the disneyland resort shifted over 1 million tons of earth to form the park with the berms and everything

[00:19:58] the big trees that were placed in the park were delivered first some weighing as much as 22 tons to serve as kind of focal anchor points for the rest of the landscaping and then next the smaller trees shrubs vines and others were installed along with the appropriate irrigation to ensure they thrived in their new home lastly the flowers were added a little color you know a little filling in the

[00:20:23] landscaping that kind of thing so that's kind of the order of of progression apparently when you're you're doing a big landscaping job like this kind of makes sense go ahead taryn oh i just said that kind of makes sense yeah i mean is that how they ended up with the storybook uh canal bones where they just had weeds you're gonna get to that one i love that story i you know what i did not put it in there oh okay well i don't think bill planted them because it was just a hill with weeds on it and they put

[00:20:50] little fake latin signs in front yeah like they were real that's right i didn't find too much more info on that so i'm like oh it's kind of like well known so i didn't i didn't put it in there but but good yeah they ripped it all out yeah they weren't happy about it no no no um as you can imagine a project with as lofty a time frame goal has as walt had put on disneyland they soon exhausted the

[00:21:15] resources and stock of the local nurseries which forced the team to look at estate sales old gardens around la and other places sometimes hundreds of miles away from anaheim proper now famously many trees and shrubs were salvaged from the construction of the local freeway systems which are just beginning to carve their way through the neighborhoods and hills of the region during this time the santa anna

[00:21:41] the pomona and the santa monica freeways were all under construction most going through residential neighborhoods cutting 200 foot wide channels through areas with mature foliage so bill and his team would head down to the construction sites and tag the trees that they wanted and would pay the foreman of the construction sites 25 bucks per tree to stay as far away from the trees they selected as they could they didn't want anything bruised or broken or anything like that bill would

[00:22:10] return crate the trees up at the roots i create the roots up and then they would haul them away to their new home in the park wow wow which i thought was kind of neat man it is neat but like 25 bucks i mean because these these mature trees would cost 500 600 bucks if you bought them from a nursery right and like how do you dig up a tree like that like that that to me like just even that that level of i guess

[00:22:38] construction or whatever gardening is very difficult yeah i mean full-grown trees like that's a that's insane yeah i imagine it's with a bulldozer you know and uh just scrape out as much dirt around as you can and you yank them out i don't think there's much you can't be really very delicate because you don't know how deep the roots go or how far they go out or whatever so you have to get enough of the root ball to satisfy the tree when it gets transplanted and sometimes and he talks in here i don't know if i put it in

[00:23:08] notes but he talks about like 85 of the of the plants that they transplanted into disneyland from other places survived wow that's pretty good so 15 didn't so there is there is a loss there you know the trend of finding uh you know basically discarded trees or pre-discarded trees throughout the uh the region would continue through the park opening as los angeles grew and the more mature plants were

[00:23:36] being destroyed kind of all over the you know all over southern california for example in 1962 pershing square in los angeles was receiving a five-story underground parking lot which i don't know it seems too futuristic for me like five stories five-story underground parking lot like they shouldn't have the technology to create something like that in the 60s it feels too futuristic for for

[00:24:01] those for those cavemen in the 60s to know how to do that i don't like it yeah and how is the ground i mean i i live in a very rocky area you can't dig down that far you can barely have a basement around here and then in chicago you get a little bit down and it's all water the water table's so high yeah how in the world can you do five stories underground i don't know it's that's a good question

[00:24:26] yeah um let's see where i go anyway bill was able to snatch seven giant ficus trees like literally save them from the chainsaw that day like he heard about this going down there were eight giant ficuses but he was too late to the construction site to get to all eight so he grabbed the seven that he could and he hauled them over to disneyland now these things they're not just like you know the tiny little

[00:24:52] ficus you see in like home depot these were huge they were so big in fact that the highway patrol made him take a full 15 feet off the top of the trees in order to be safer transporting them back down to anaheim oh my goodness so they removed 15 feet from these trees and they were still big enough to like be able to you know kind of shuttle down wow it'd be usable right so bill told walt what he was

[00:25:20] to that you know hey we got these trees i picked them up whatever and walt asks where the trees are going to be planted bill says he wasn't sure only that he knew they would need them eventually so for a full year they sat in the back lot just in in their crates just waiting for an opportunity to use them bill's just got a garden hose wow there you go so they sit there until new orleans square

[00:25:44] started spinning up and those trees got moved into the new orleans square area where apparently they still live today wow cool yeah kind of neat he says quote we trim them three times a year so that they don't become so heavy that you can't see the architecture behind them michael eisner once looked at the trees when they were in need of pruning and asked me where are all our wrought iron

[00:26:08] balustrades and i said coming up those are some of the biggest and most beautiful trees in disneyland and they're essential to the composition of the area so i think wow the big ficus that he's talking about is like in you know kind of in front of the train station and you know kind of all around that's what i was thinking yeah and he's right i mean that it is essential for that a lot of shade

[00:26:32] big canopy um but you don't want it too overgrown where it looks sloppy yeah i think there's also some trees unless i'm mistaken like uh that that might be like that um near pirates like in the line line for pirates maybe yeah it's hard because i don't really know what giant ficus look like yeah me either they're related i'm just thinking tree they're in the fig family so you can get really

[00:26:57] really big okay and big leaves and yeah one problem that bill had early on is with walt's insistence upon easy access to shade he wanted guests to gain some relief from the anaheim sun however planning out the locations for the shade trees proved to be more difficult than simply pointing to a spot and just digging a hole like i would do you know what i mean well this looks good to me pal the team needed to have plenty of sunlight for the grass and flowers of the area to properly

[00:27:27] thrive and grow so there was the issue of kind of making you know layering those things right we need some shade but we also need some sun so let's figure out how to get shade and i think what he would do is um you know you can prune some of the trees back like i talk a little bit about some i think they're pepper trees uh in around the hub where they have these kind of weird twisty branches and so he had the

[00:27:52] the branches trimmed really close or the the branches really trimmed really close to like the base branches the bigger ones so you can see the architecture of the tree but it still provides some some shade but you can still see through them it's these kinds of things that's cool that's very smart yeah yeah there was also the issue of preserving the carefully crafted sight lines of the park and you know what was the point of having these beautifully crafted buildings if they were just

[00:28:18] going to be covered up by trees so that's part of that too now as we all know disneyland has several distinct areas of the park all defined by their highly designed buildings and of course the landscaping had to support those designs and not hide or clash with them another challenge bill had going into these design meetings pre you know building stage with the various heads of the lands at wdi was shifting

[00:28:44] gears within the planning process so for example he'd meet with ruth shellhorn who designed the main street area for you know the opening day now main street of course has that victorian feel to it there's lots of guiding lines there's lots of rigidity in in the structures and how the buildings were formed and decorated right so bill thought the landscaping had to have a similar structure to it and he called it an

[00:29:09] elegant rigidity that supported and accentuated the construction of that area but then on the same day he'd have a meeting with harper goff who was in charge of adventure land so bill and jack had to downshift and sort of reset their thinking because as you walk into adventure land from the hub all those guard rails over on main street of you know for the landscaping should fall away and they thought the

[00:29:34] landscape should look more chaotic and uncivilized kind of like a real jungle wood right right then you'd have a meeting with the people from uh in charge of frontier land and over there the goal was to make everything look like they had just left the land alone and plopped some buildings down splashed some boats in the water and called it a day bill what's the plant yeah that thing over there we can we eat it

[00:29:59] no can we marry it no can we drink it yes let's go bill says quote when we went into frontier land we wanted to create the illusion that we had just found it all that growth in there and just added some boats on the river we used to get letters in the early days from guests who complained that junior got poison oak while running around on tom sawyer island and why didn't we remove such dangerous plants well obviously we didn't plant poison oak but these people believed they were in a completely

[00:30:28] natural wilderness junior was just itchy yeah i mean got it from somewhere else but like must have been that natural wilderness at disneyland those those early doritos so in frontier land you're going to find plants that have more of a rugged look to them japanese black pines various prairie grasses a red flowering crepe myrtle from china among others

[00:30:53] provide support to the otherwise plain storefronts the area did have its transplant casualties near the boat dock an australian tea tree that was chosen for its unique and twisty branch structure failed to survive transplant instead of chucking the whole thing bill took the skeleton of that tree with its gnarled look he tied a bougainvalia bush that was nearby to its branches and voila a bougainvalia

[00:31:20] tree and i've seen pictures of it and it looks like a bougainvalia it looks like a bougainvalia it looks great it's very cool and i don't know if it's there or not i would imagine not because it's like the you know 60s i don't know the bougainvalia last you know that long but uh yeah so if you see it check it out it looks neat you see it in old pictures again go on daveland web and look at all this stuff it's it's it's pretty crazy but back to main street now much of the shade provided

[00:31:48] along main street was from the siberian elm tree which is an evergreen tree that's kept pruned so as not to hide the beauty of things like the tall double-decker bus that makes its runs up and down the park the shade of the town square and the plaza there which i think is now just you know the hub and they call that you know the carnation plaza right the stage is no longer there but these plants are still around i think is from the brazilian pepper tree now bill felt this tree was versatile

[00:32:17] and hardy enough to not only withstand the anaheim climate but provide a good backdrop wherever it was placed depending on how it was pruned for example on main street these trees are left full and bushy to provide more shade these trees are also planted over in frontierland where they're pruned a bit more thinly to reflect the kind of lower availability of water in a more desert climate so if you've ever seen those trees you know around the hub that looks sort of gnarled with these long weird branches though

[00:32:45] these are the brazilian pepper trees i like that i do like that there's like so much thought put into it right like it's it's it's just like everything else at disneyland but like it's done for a reason there's a reason behind the way it looks yeah and reading these interviews with bill like he he's he just he's those people who he's one of those people who thinks his job 24 7 which makes him so good at it you know it's yeah it's wild another reason for a lot of the success of the early disneyland

[00:33:15] horticulture scene was plant breeding now oftentimes disneyland would get their hands on plants that have been bred for specific climates years before that culture even was available to the open market so i think they worked really well with um you know a lot of suppliers and hey maybe try this try this over here this might be really good for four hours of full sun it's a new plant we developed or whatever until they'll throw it in there it's kind of neat was was there a black market maybe uh gray there

[00:33:44] would be today for sure this type of palm yeah yeah you can't get this in in california throws up in a trench court a trench coat yeah you got seeds seeds here get your seeds it's this type of plant breeding that has led to the success at the park with a limited time plant the poinsettia now normally the flower of the poinsettia you know you buy like trader joe's in the pot it lasts a

[00:34:08] couple weeks and the plant's done that's it right but in its native climate in central america that plant itself kind of grows into a small tree which holds a flower for six or seven months out of the year wow so as bill puts in his book quote but in disneyland the poinsettia has a new look our landscape department has pressed it into use as a bedding plant the need was for a low growing

[00:34:33] type in essence all flower and no stem okay the chemist came to our rescue again with a new formula that stunts the vertical growth of the plant without affecting it in any other way the reward a full-sized flower on a half-sized plant as a result disneyland in december and january does indeed roll out the red carpet there are dazzling beds of poinsettias petal to petal upon

[00:34:58] which the eye or camera lens may feast wow this guy yeah so all those poinsettias that you see planted in the holidays they're kind of like hybrids i never knew that they well i never knew that you could do something like that with a plant and i also never knew that a poinsettia goes like up on a stalk yeah there was just apparently if you grow in the right climate it does okay so

[00:35:26] tomorrowland was probably the hardest uh for the landscape team to design because nobody had ever done a tomorrowland before there's no books or pictures to reference or anything you think about it you can reference to a future of a frontier land you can reference an adventure land you can even reference a main street but tomorrowland there's nothing like that so bill had to choose plants that he thought were bold enough to stand up to the similarly bold architecture of the area

[00:35:54] without being too overpowering he says quote we wanted bold gutsy plant material which would compete with all the stylized structures we used in the early days and have now been torn out and replaced we weren't trying for some martian garden or anything like that because that is kind of the first thing you think of oh tomorrowland plants whoa they're probably weird and creepy and he's like no i'm not trying to do that here's a stick and it's purple and it will

[00:36:22] eat you uh he says but we were trying to complement the architecture without being too low-key now tomorrowland represented a different dynamic as well due to the travel of the monorail overhead we had the people mover the skyway buckets that kind of stuff right so the landscaping had to be visually solid because there's nothing going on while you're riding the monorail you know it's not a traditional disney ride it's transport that happens to take you through a theme park so to

[00:36:51] do this to make the the outside look good you can't just make it look good from the walkway right for tomorrowland it had to be had to look good all over the place so bill put in italian cypress trees supplemented by groupings of cocculus vibranum and pitosporum tobara remember that time i know that one yeah in the beginning where i said hey man maybe you guys can get ideas for your own house landscaping yeah that's assuming i say the words right

[00:37:20] if i say these any any you know any more incorrect a portal for another dimension is going to open up yeah we're going to do a spelling test after yeah there you go which a tree was uh classically categorized uh so nearby tomorrowland was the monsanto house of tomorrow in a setting which blends the disciplined form of the structure with a natural environment in the sunken garden on the

[00:37:47] slopes and edging the water are several varieties of juniper including a specimen plant of juniper juniper fitcerana 18 feet across striped pygmy bamboo organ grape azaleas and stylized guava trees okay if that's not a dynamic weird setting i don't know what is man yeah now fantasyland held a little

[00:38:14] bit more freedom i think for the team as bill says quote now in fantasyland what we were seeking was something with some whimsy something that was fun and a little unrestrained we did things like the topiary figures for example and we did the miniature landscaping for storybook land we went with lacy things like elm trees that you could see through and which would lend themselves to twinkle lights after dark if you use magnolias with their great big heavy leaves and kind of somber

[00:38:40] character they didn't make sense with twinkle lights this guy knows his stuff he knows his stuff yeah yeah i just i really appreciate the fact that uh he's like okay and either either he's going well they're probably going to have twinkle lights or something like that or what was like hey bro we're going to have twinkle lights so you know whatever and he's like well i can't blot him out i don't know yeah neat stuff ma'am we need we need the twinkliest lights uh why is he obama oh let me be clear

[00:39:09] we need the impressions i don't know we need the twinkliest lights please oh yeah at the time fantasyland had the chicken of the sea boat there right and the little lagoon next to it if you ever see photos of the area you'll notice these beautiful palm trees that lie in the water there ideally they were supposed to be coconut palms but again the southern california climate didn't allow their kind there so yeah that's what they planned for in wdi that was the

[00:39:39] sketches that was the that was what they wanted coconut palms bam didn't work okay so bill was able to find a similar looking version from tropical africa the senegal date palm so in case you ever want to recreate this look in your backyard you can you can start in tropical africa done yeah bill did have some problems with several of the companion plants that he planted around the lagoon so again there are wins and there are losses and in around the lagoon was really tough because of the uh

[00:40:07] chlorinated water a lot of the companion plants and the filler plants died over the first several weeks but there is one plant that actually thrived in it it was the large leaf phyla dendron not only survived but thrived and those plants have like those kind of air roots that they go out seeking for more water these air roots would would get sent out from the mother plant and then go down into the

[00:40:32] chlorinated water and they were just totally fine with it okay wow kind of weird so yeah it's really adaptable if you're looking for a hardy plant around you around your pirate lagoon it's phyla dendron baby right here in the tiki room yeah that one yeah for the swiss chalet and the matterhorn the authentic furs and trees of the alps were not readily available in southern california so again no

[00:40:58] kidding bill found reasonable substitutes in the deodar cedar tree which is native to the himalayas but it has a silhouette that was reminiscent of the uh furs from the alps so i guess it just you know kind of shaggy up top and where was this one uh matterhorn swiss chalet okay beneath them he put miniature dianthus daisies columbine and ferns to kind of fill in the the look there okay that makes

[00:41:26] sense and here's another question for you on the matterhorn mountain itself not around it not at the bottom not at the base not at the swiss chalet but on the matterhorn itself what sort of plant life if any lives on that mountain proper i think that there is one tree like uh i think there's one tree or bush or something it's like there's something that like when you there's a there's a a paw

[00:41:54] you guys know what i'm talking about like in a in a stone and a right above that there's something yeah the yeti footprint thing yeah that above that like in that area there's something and i can see it in my brain it's one of the old climbers who's been there since the 60s who's just holding a bush in front of his face that's right basically he's evading the irs the trees surrounding the mountain proper are colorado blue spruce trees

[00:42:23] and they were chosen specifically because they have these one inch long blue needles and bill thought they seemed to impart the illusion of distance and he talks about in his book since you know guests would probably be used to like the dark green needles on trees and and and think like okay well if i see that color that means that they're they're close up you know what i mean but the blue sort of blended in with the background and it he was playing with that sense of distance

[00:42:50] so he he thought that okay the the color would push them back and kind of just make them blurry a little bit interesting yeah so that's what he chose and it works pretty good you know uh he said the um blah blah blah the trees are contained in concrete planters and planted in soil with a drip irrigation system and they're hot they're put up on a crane and they're settled into the mountain and they last

[00:43:18] between two and five years before needing to be replaced with smaller ones i mean you can't you can't let them get too big or it kind of ruins the illusion because the matterhorn is at like a hundredth scale so the trees can't really grow all that much you know what i mean it also just it throws everything off so yeah now despite the best efforts of bill evans and his team there were still a fair amount of maintenance that had to be performed all across the park trees and shrubs

[00:43:46] needed pruning and the lawns had to be replaced on a yearly basis to keep them looking as green and healthy as possible southern california got at the time about 10 or 12 inches of rain per year but some of the plants brought in required 50 inches to survive so it's a testament to the horticulture team that they were able to on such short notice develop and execute a landscaping plan the way they did in the time that walt gave them you know i thought that was pretty neat uh anyway let's take

[00:44:13] a quick break everybody we're going to come back and we'll talk more about bill evans and landscaping disneyland right after this back to ears up where the opinions never stop ever all right thanks for sticking around everybody you're welcome yeah thank you in case you didn't know summer is here

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[00:46:51] pick up with bill see what he's been up to so apparently uh you know as any hobby horticulturist knows soil is very important to the success of plants and at disneyland that's no different soil was also a big issue for bill and his team well i sorry but i can imagine with all the different types of plants he has yeah that like came from all different parts like i can't even imagine the

[00:47:18] undertaking that this is right exactly yeah well you know it's a great point taryn because in my notes i say different plants and flowers need a different soil compositions to survive so the horticulture team developed and produced their own soil mixture which was equal parts fresh redwood sawdust and clean granular sand plus any essential nutrients for the specific flowers or plants that they were you know

[00:47:43] planting so they would put eight to ten inches of that mixture on top of the flower beds and plant into that swapping the mix out every two years or so with a fresh batch and and uh he he notes in his book it's not because of like you know any nutrient quality or whatever it was literally to like control any pests or whatever because if you have any pests in there they're laying eggs then they start to really kind of you just don't you just scrape it all out and replace it that way you don't have to

[00:48:08] fart around with uh you know bugs eating your stuff or you know chemical like that it's funny because when you first mentioned that i got stuck for like a solid 10 seconds on the fact that it was sawdust and i was and it felt very like cannibalistic to me oh no yeah it's like feeding ham to a pig yeah like he's saving all these trees and he's going to pick them up and he's cutting them off so that he

[00:48:36] can get them to disneyland and then then you're murdering because i think it was specifically the fresh fresh oh yeah you need to hear the screams of the redwood yeah well and he notes in his book he's like maybe the the the home hobbyist would would uh you know appreciate that as well would do wonders for them and i'm like who who's getting fresh redwood sawdust this is the 60s everything was built with redwood back then but now it's like super expensive oh yeah yeah it's not like going

[00:49:04] out and just picking up some sawdust from the the you know two by fours from your so once the flowers were planted the soil was then covered with fur bark to keep the soil damp and limit the need for maintenance like you know pulling weeds and stuff like that so that's the soil mixture at uh at disneyland at least when bill was there i'm sure it's changed by now because he died again

[00:49:29] fresh redwood sawdust seems rather hard to come by but uh yeah that was it moving from the plaza in into like adventure land as we talked about a little bit before um you know you need to to separate the lines of sight you need to to make a clear delineation between lands that we are going so as you enter adventure land you see tall bamboo framed by bright bougainvalia jaraconda and india rubber trees line

[00:49:56] the bridge into the land ahead of you is a bow tree which is a ficus religiosa now i think it's still there so that big tree right right by the bathrooms basically so you're you're walking to adventure land and the side of the bazaar is right there and then you have the bathrooms right there there's a tree i think this is the same tree but i can't really tell for sure okay uh it has heart-shaped leaves

[00:50:23] with kind of a little tail off the the tip of it you bank to the left and head towards the dock of the jungle river ride and we can see a south african coral tree recognized by its wide canopy and orange red flowers now this tree was moved from the rear of the tahitian terrace years ago to the dock of the jungle cruise at some point i can't tell when uh by a 50 ton crane and he tells

[00:50:49] a story about you know the the fragility of these plants and how nervous he is moving them because especially these these more mature trees if you ruin them if if you kill them that's hundreds and hundreds of dollars to to replace if you can even get a nursery that has a mature one right right so there's there's a sense of i don't know if this will work kind of thing but he was smart enough

[00:51:18] where he was able to kind of trust his instinct so they they pulled this tree out bare root you know they didn't crate it up or whatever and then they hosed off the dirt from the root ball and just let all that water just kind of run into the rivers run into the jungle cruise river and they were able to like replanted and and transplant i don't know if it's still there this is the thing i don't know where exactly it was planted and i don't know if it still exists there or not because this was again

[00:51:47] the 60s right so who who knows but that was a pretty neat story yeah moving into the jungle in adventure land hundreds of species of plants are represented many of which are native to the areas of the world showcased within the ride you have kapok trees jaraconda palms philodendrons from south america you have rubber and orchid trees ginger lilies and tiger grass from india giant birds of

[00:52:15] paradise and papyrus from africa and dozens and dozens more the i know some of those papyrus yeah the problem with a real jungle is that it's all rather samey you know you look at photos of the jungle and it's like okay you got the same basic three or four plants kind of hanging out there's not much variation in the natural you know dilution of foliage in a in a jungle at least not enough to

[00:52:41] decorate a five minute theme park ride with you know what i mean and make it seem interesting yeah so bill had to take some liberties in the design of this area and as a result you'll now find plants not considered to be jungle fair like giant honeysuckle or a blue passion flower you got red trumpet vine and wild purple bougainvalia yellow cassis cassay's cassay's there you go it's hard to say it

[00:53:10] uh white ginger and red tacoma are placed along the water's edge providing color and a sense of depth within the jungle theme also included in this mix are caster beans lianas scenario trees palm grass queen palms and soaring bamboo so again you want to make a jungle at home there you go those are the plans that's it construction construction in the park was wild as you can imagine and timing

[00:53:40] seemed to be everything especially for areas rather dependent upon landscaping to help tell the story of the area such as the rivers of america or adventure land and more specifically here the jungle cruise or as it was known back then the jungle river ride as the horticulture team was transforming the sandy landscape of the freshly carved out former orchard into a tropical river the install teams from wdi were on site setting up the second part of the

[00:54:08] experience the animatronics as you can imagine having young plants in the way of a giant mechanical hippo being pushed into place would lead to a conflict of interest there and in fact many plants were trampled ruined and then replaced before the park was even open oh man most made it through the setup and ended up thriving which again is sort of a testament and in one of his interviews bill talks about like kind of it seemed like he had a sense of pride on that you know he's like they

[00:54:38] survived and everything was fine and we didn't know about it but like this is what a cool bunch of plants we picked yeah so initially as you departed from the dock of the jungle cruise and head into the river you're first sort of enveloped by artificial flowers mainly because the sun had a hard time piercing the canopy of trees enough to provide light which is sort of what we were talking about earlier like you need to have that balance i have the feeling this hasn't been the case for some time now but i found that

[00:55:07] really interesting for some reason where they just they wanted some sort of depth and uh and layers of complexity so they just had artificial flowers because they couldn't real ones couldn't grow because it was too dark yeah that's interesting yeah a little bit disappointing a little bit a little bit yeah but that's okay a byproduct of creating such a lush landscape from living materials only

[00:55:30] basically aside from the you know artificial flowers is that sometime uh nature uh finds a way the horticulture team used the severed trunk of a pepper tree as set dressing alongside the river at some place not knowing that it would eventually take root and grow into a real tree wow this pepper tree is native to the highlands of peru so the jungle habitat the trunk found itself in was not its

[00:55:55] typical environment but it overcame anyway and i found really awesome whether it's like cool yeah this is just a thing we're gonna have here for decoration oh no it's alive yeah it wanted to live holy cow yeah another strange plant found along the jungle cruise river was something called bushman's poison a slender spindly tree that produces small berries now these berries were used by african

[00:56:23] pygmies as a poison to bring down elephants oh geez so that's very poisonous dipped in the extract from this berry blowgun darts were fired at elephants acting as an anesthetic to the massive creature that'd bring them down and kill them dang yeah that's sad yeah but also that's pretty cool man conveniently enough around the corner from the bushman's poison tree was the elephant pool where you

[00:56:50] can see the ombu tree amongst the rest of the jungle plant life further on down the river in the african veld panorama there you can find acacia trees that have been pruned to more resemble the trees that live in the grasslands of that area you would also see giant aloes and euphorbia trees which are both native to the region and he does talk about um and maybe you've got this impression i might mention it later but i

[00:57:18] don't know um just getting passable copies of trees and bushes and plants that are from that area and sometimes you can take creative license with pruning the trees that might not be from that area but they go okay well this kind of you kind of have the same feel if we trim it up a little bit and you know raise the canopy then it's then you know you'll be fine it's kind of neat yeah so he really did know

[00:57:42] what he's talking about yeah in the hippo pool area if you look for a reed with a fringe kind of on top that's papyrus which was used by the egyptians for paper jeez apparently it's also known as bulrush which is the plant that sheltered baby moses from the hallucinogenic spider invasion or something like that i don't know that yeah that that's what yeah that was like one half the bible

[00:58:06] well that's the old testament right yeah things were crazy back then i know right yeah uh the elephant ear plants that you can spot along the water's edge are related to the tarot plant i don't know why that was interesting i was with one sentence i have nothing else on the elephant ear plant but you can eat tarot root yeah i guess yeah yeah so there you go hey yeah returning to the dock on the left hand

[00:58:31] side where that island is now you might still see i don't know if it's still there a four four palm like trees decorated with masks now these are dragon trees and are actually of the lily family and they hail from the canary islands the congealed juice or sap of the trees was once sought after for medicinal purposes fun facts guys these are just fun facts i love this you know what i mean on the right

[00:58:57] side of the boat dock which had surely changed by now but it's worth mentioning is the baby orchid plant sangre de cristo this plant is an ever-blooming orchid containing cinnabar yellow flowers with a stamen in the shape of a cross nearly every day this flower blooms in adventure land wow yeah kind of neat in a testament to the resilience of the adventure land jungle when it came time to prep the area for the

[00:59:24] indiana jones ride queue expansion there at the bank of the river the only plants that were lost in this new construction and rerouting of the river were a few of the giant bamboo plants and thanks to the self-perpetuation a self-perpetuating nature of the plants and the ecosystem that bill evans produced in general that small deletion was filled in on its own kind of rather quickly cool yeah the jungle the

[00:59:49] jungle just took the space back he set himself up to succeed yeah self-healing plant yes he he hired the right people so that he didn't have to continue working his whole life right there you go genius and it was bill who after many years of petitioning the company finally got disney to remove the awnings from the jungle cruise river boats so guests could see all the hard work the jungle was doing above them while the illusion probably needed a bit of cover when the park first opened in 1955

[01:00:18] the whole area eventually grew into something worthy of a full view so if you look at old pictures of the river boats they have that you know kind of tassel fringe hanging on the side yeah down the canopy and then now you look at him and it's just it's just a tent on the top there's nothing hanging down on the side so oh okay yeah kind of neat it's clear that bill evans was the right man for the job not only did he know what he was doing from a landscape perspective he also had a similar style to walt

[01:00:45] using plants as set dressing he also knew how to make the boss happy there's a long quote from bill yeah he says walt didn't pay a lot of daily attention to our work but he would surprise me now and then by making some comment or some request that i hadn't expected all through the construction phases walt would be out there every weekend and we would take a kind of ritual hike on saturday he would make comments of a general nature with nothing in detail about the

[01:01:12] landscaping once in a while we'd be walking along with joe fowler and dick irvine and walt with all the troops strung along behind us and walt would turn to joe fowler and say joe that tree looks a little close to the walkway doesn't it and then he'd turn around and he'd say how about moving that tree bill and this maybe was a 15 ton tree the next day it would be 10 feet further away oh geez i would be

[01:01:37] part of that group and i'd be right there if some problem required a landscape solution so while art directors spent a lot of time at the drawing boards in their studios we'd be down at disneyland doing the landscaping by the seat of our pants oh man what do you think that can we can move that tree right sure bro figure it out yeah i mean that's the walt way right like hey uh do that thing over there

[01:02:01] and um i'll talk to you tomorrow yeah yeah we have to do it now oh okay yeah what do you think joe and joe's probably going yes well absolutely move it and then he gives bill the middle finger yeah good luck with that kid i'm already done next cigarette here you go mr disney he once referred to landscaping as a kind of visual mood music making the point that nobody comes to disneyland for the

[01:02:30] trees but if they weren't there attendance would probably die out and i think it's true it's a good point people would still come to disneyland even if there were no rides no attractions just the land and hardscaping a huge botanical garden representing different sections of the world like i mean people would still attend it if you took all the buildings out yeah i think people would still go they wouldn't obviously pay as much money but if you took all the landscaping away and just had the buildings and

[01:02:59] the rides i don't think it would be as successful yeah i i totally agree yeah i think so it sets such a mood and i mean yeah it's one of those things you look at i know you've complained about epcot where there's no there's no shade no shade it's but it's it's a concrete landscape designed to look like the future but they've they've managed to soften certain areas over the years because they realize

[01:03:25] they're missing something with the that lush disneyland just conglomerate of trees i mean yeah the the jungle cruise is from what i understand by all like legal or whatever not legal whatever definitions of jungle there are it's a jungle now yeah it's its own climate it's its own ecosystem

[01:03:49] right like that's that's insane and to hear that plants are just like nah we're taking it back sometimes amazing yeah it is yeah sometimes we forget that disneyland has been changing and sort of breathing ever since opening day not just like with the addition of rides but just in the borders within the park and that didn't stop when the plants hit the soil here bill says it's kind of a long

[01:04:16] quote but i think it's pretty good he says quote we moved trees constantly hundreds of them and i don't know if other people were doing this or not the growing pains at disneyland were like letting out your belt after a heavy meal when they got too jammed up man don't tell this man about the spandex you know what i mean um when they got too jammed up we'd move the railroad track out another 50 yards so that sounds like they were moving the train track like multiple times well yeah we'll just shift it

[01:04:44] we need a little more room um a major move was when they built it's a small world now walt didn't want to move more of the railroad track than he needed to just enough for small world which was 75 yards or so but even that caused a dislocation of the entire landscaped backdrop the largest berm in the park was behind that train track because we were trying to shut out the interchange of harbor boulevard and santa anna freeway that was a giant concrete mass that we didn't want visible within disneyland

[01:05:13] we had a huge berm back there and we had good sized trees on it when it was decided to move the railroad track we had to move that berm and we knew we couldn't move it with those 35 foot trees on it we went right down that berm with big pine trees eucalyptus trees akasha trees ash trees and bored some one inch holes through the trunks of all these trees about four feet above the grade we put four

[01:05:39] guy wires in the branches of the tree and put a case hardened steel pin through the hole in the tree trunk we get a hold of the pin with the crane and lift the tree up out of the dirt taryn this is you're wondering how they move trees apparently this is how they did it geez and this would untangle it from its neighboring trees there was no box on it or anything with just roots hanging out in the wind we transplanted all of these trees and at the same time as we'd pick up the trees the bulldozers and

[01:06:08] earth movers and trucks would come in and scoop up the real estate and move it to the new location once the earth was patted down in the new place we'd bring the trees from the old berm and plant them in the new berm we went back and forth back and forth working with the movers and we did less damage to those trees than any other way we could have transplanted them i think we had an overall 85 success rate when we took the steel pin out we take a piece of hardwood lather it up with fungicide pound it in

[01:06:36] and cover it with tree seal a couple of years later you wouldn't even know where the hole was wow just like this is yanking out of the ground brother make it seem so easy like it's sims you know like like oh um let's just move that one um like you know four feet that way and it's like they make it seem too easy and what i don't like is that i want things like that i want things to be

[01:07:02] that easy well i i think what you're missing is is probably the brown trousers moment where is this going to work well that's true yeah we're gonna kill every one of these trees yeah like like i think in i think in a job like this you can't have a freeze pattern you know what i mean you have to make a decision and you have to go for it so he knew we have to move the berm there's no other way we have

[01:07:26] to make room for small world i want to keep these trees because otherwise they would cost hundreds and hundreds of dollars to replace so what do we do well let's do this which i think is sort of like it's not like an unproven method of moving a tree it's been done before but i don't think that they like doing it because it's kind of weird he's probably never done it before at that point so another story he had was about these six italian cypress trees that used to delineate

[01:07:55] the entrance to tomorrowland he says quote we picked them up and put them outside the haunted mansion and they're still they're still there today we thought that those cypress trees would be very appropriate to a haunted mansion when we changed out the tomorrowland area in 1967 so just kind of another little like those cypress trees that are outside of haunted mansion used to be in front of tomorrowland that's cool that's a southern tree right sure dude southern diddly why not um and

[01:08:22] that's kind of the basically that's kind of it that's kind of where i i left the uh the research because the rest is literally just like you know latin names but i did run across this quote from uh from bill about walt and he says uh quote one thing it's not my new favorite walt quote by the my new favorite quote about this man quote one thing walt was not lacking was an opinion about

[01:08:46] things and that could be said for you i know that's what i think too but yeah there you go man and look i'm looking at this uh i'm looking at this this index uh i saw somewhere i don't know if i put in my notes but there are over 750 different varieties of plants in disneyland that's amazing and that was back in the 60s who knows what it is you know now and dca has its own you know bucket

[01:09:10] right but i mean you have irish moss you have figs you have daisies california alder hawthorn evergreen elm evergreen grape sweet gum trees sycamore trees queen palms rhubarbs patoot they just on and on and on it's incredible so yeah if you're interested in this at all just google disneyland world of flowers book uh and it's the archive.org link i began i put it in

[01:09:37] the discord um so you can join that and and find it in there too it's it's well worth a read just just even as a storybook it's like i said it's not it's not long at all it doesn't get into like technical detail but they're just fun stories and some i didn't even talk about you know what i mean um it's neat cool yeah i like that got six grand you know send us a copy no if you have six grand

[01:10:03] and you want to send us something send us six grand yeah i don't know i'd rather have the book really damn dude we are not we are built different i'll tell you that right now i'll tell you that right now uh yeah so that's it everybody that's a landscaping disneyland awesome i think that was cool excellent it was very interesting yeah i thought it was neat and you know and you can kind of tell i i started in an adventure land area because you kind of there was a

[01:10:33] lot more adventure land you know information excuse me but um it needed more it needed it need the park story needed to be told you guys well and i i think it was a good show for you to do because you are kind of a plant guy kind of a plant guy yeah you know what i mean you've got lots of plants in this house that are alive i know well yeah you're growing a tree outside i mean this is this is your

[01:10:59] show i am bill evans yes that's exactly what i said yeah eric why don't you do me a favor man uh well actually i might be springing this on you so i might have to edit this out but uh do you know what's going on other shows uh yeah yeah because i forgot to look at the thing okay let's do it next

[01:11:20] week okay yeah real real quick um let's see and or is coming up bantha milk guys are going to be on that uh supreme resort we are putting out an episode that is uh part update part uh wheel of clickbaity nonsense which is what we do when we've got a surplus of uh random junk in that we found on the

[01:11:49] internet but our next episode will be comparing stunt spectaculars oh yeah so tune in to see what that's that's about uh scraping the vault had an excellent episode um last time i'm not sure what they're working on next it's been yeah they're they're due for a new episode soon they're we're we're they're heading toward the tinkerverse uh-oh that doesn't sound like a good thing to

[01:12:15] oh boy no it's all the direct-to-video tinkerbell movies that's not good dude um uh puny pod continues onward they did did fast and the furious tokyo drift why not why wouldn't they based on a bet um i listened to shaggy dog last week again oh god buena vista boys it popped up in my feed i'm

[01:12:43] like let's listen to it again it was a good episode which by the way if you i appreciate that man if you are uh if you're listening live and you want to catch a live recording of the buena vista boys we are recording the first episode of season two on the 25th i believe which is the saturday um right here on twitch twitch.tv slash ears up so we're gonna be we're gonna be doing that i i forget

[01:13:07] what what story we're doing but um it's fun you'll get there oh uh rgh says puny pods next episode is one division all right i love it well i would imagine based on how they handle things that will be the next 17 episodes yeah probably that's a good show though it is yeah i like it i liked it it was good it was a good show um that'll be fun yeah all right everybody thank you very much for tuning into the

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