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[00:20:42] What's your name?
[00:20:43] She didn't know.
[00:20:44] Katie Sackhoff.
[00:20:44] Yes.
[00:20:45] Katie Sackhoff.
[00:20:46] She has a podcast.
[00:20:48] And I just saw a video of her interviewing Ming-Na Wen.
[00:20:53] And apparently, Katie was like, because they
[00:20:56] were very secretive.
[00:20:57] And even R2 that they shot with, he was not R2 colored.
[00:21:02] He was red and green or green.
[00:21:04] It was a completely different color.
[00:21:06] And they specifically didn't tell the actors who it was.
[00:21:09] And Katie Sackhoff was like, I thought it was Ki-Adi.
[00:21:12] I think she said, I thought it was Ki-Adi Mundi or something.
[00:21:14] That's who they told me it was.
[00:21:15] That's who they told him it was going to be.
[00:21:16] And Ming-Na Wen was like, oh, I knew.
[00:21:17] I knew it was Luke Skywalker.
[00:21:20] Come on.
[00:21:20] Come on.
[00:21:21] Who would it be?
[00:21:22] Yeah.
[00:21:22] Apparently, Katie Sackhoff was remarkably
[00:21:25] naive about the entire thing.
[00:21:26] And had no idea until they debuted it.
[00:21:30] And she texted her.
[00:21:31] She's like, did you know?
[00:21:33] Did you know this?
[00:21:34] Yeah.
[00:21:35] So yeah.
[00:21:37] I guess we're not the only ones who love to see Luke.
[00:21:40] I just thought it was interesting.
[00:21:41] And I have for a while.
[00:21:42] It's like, they're telling all these really great Star
[00:21:44] Wars stories.
[00:21:44] But wouldn't it be great just to tell us
[00:21:45] the damn story we've wanted for 40 years?
[00:21:47] Yeah, the one that we've actually wanted.
[00:21:48] Yeah, exactly.
[00:21:50] Before we get into the other things,
[00:21:53] and maybe eventually we'll go back over this,
[00:21:55] because you haven't seen the end of it.
[00:21:57] But I did watch the end of The Bad Batch.
[00:21:59] And Nick, you can close your ears for a minute.
[00:22:01] I'm not going to give away any spoilers per se.
[00:22:04] But it ended, like the last four episodes
[00:22:08] were like the final big story arc.
[00:22:10] You know how they do the cartoons that way?
[00:22:11] It's like, even with Mandalorian,
[00:22:13] like the first three episodes were a little mini story arc.
[00:22:16] So the last four, I think we left off.
[00:22:19] And Omega was captured again.
[00:22:22] Yes.
[00:22:23] So of course you knew they're
[00:22:25] going to try and go and save her.
[00:22:27] That's what The Bad Batch would do.
[00:22:30] So the last four episodes was basically
[00:22:32] the rescue mission.
[00:22:33] So it was very good.
[00:22:34] I'm not going to go into too much detail,
[00:22:37] because the, and everybody who's posted that I've seen,
[00:22:41] who's posted online about it without giving out spoilers
[00:22:45] said it was the best ending that they could do.
[00:22:49] So it was a very neat and tidy ending.
[00:22:53] It was good.
[00:22:54] I liked it.
[00:22:55] I liked how it ended.
[00:22:56] And then they did do a little bit of a flash forward,
[00:23:00] about 20 years or so.
[00:23:03] And then there was a lot of speculation
[00:23:05] as to when this took place, like how old was she?
[00:23:08] And somebody did the math and said,
[00:23:10] at this point she's 28 years old.
[00:23:12] So if you did watch it at the very, very end,
[00:23:15] she was, we'll say roughly,
[00:23:17] she's about 28 years old at this time.
[00:23:19] And the scene that we see is what you think
[00:23:24] she's talking about going to.
[00:23:27] So I'm not gonna tell you too much
[00:23:28] because whatever, but whatever.
[00:23:30] So it was very good.
[00:23:32] It was a very good rescue mission.
[00:23:35] I was hoping for a little bit more.
[00:23:42] Crosshairs didn't have a good redemption arc.
[00:23:45] It could have been a little bit better,
[00:23:48] but it was a good redemption arc.
[00:23:49] And who was the one, I forget the other guy,
[00:23:53] that fell early on in this season
[00:23:55] and we never saw him again?
[00:23:58] It wasn't Echo because then Echo came back,
[00:23:59] but Tech.
[00:24:01] I was really hoping for a Tech return,
[00:24:05] but then everybody was like,
[00:24:06] obviously he's not coming back, blah, blah, blah,
[00:24:08] whatever.
[00:24:09] So, but it did wrap up very nicely.
[00:24:12] So maybe our next one,
[00:24:14] you can check out the last four episodes
[00:24:16] and we can do the whole thing
[00:24:18] and talk about it all in more depth.
[00:24:20] But it was a very good conclusion
[00:24:23] and I did enjoy it.
[00:24:24] I did enjoy the whole season.
[00:24:27] And I think, like I said before,
[00:24:30] when I went back and rewatched seasons one and two,
[00:24:34] it is a lot better viewed in big chunks.
[00:24:39] One episode a week
[00:24:43] with the first season of The Mandalorian,
[00:24:45] we've talked about this a thousand times,
[00:24:47] I was waking up at five o'clock in the morning
[00:24:49] to watch it.
[00:24:50] This, I was like, oh, it's Friday.
[00:24:53] I need to watch The Bad Batch.
[00:24:55] And I would eventually get to it.
[00:24:57] It was never cliffhanging enough that you wanted,
[00:25:00] I can't wait till next Wednesday.
[00:25:02] And it was good, but it wasn't so good
[00:25:04] that you were like, I have to watch it.
[00:25:06] So, so that's that.
[00:25:07] So that's our spoiler-free review of The Bad Batch.
[00:25:15] Series finale.
[00:25:16] Series finale, yeah.
[00:25:17] So it's all done.
[00:25:21] There's really, I mean, and like they jumped ahead.
[00:25:24] So I guess if they wanted to,
[00:25:26] they could do a live action with her
[00:25:29] as a 28 year old in the future.
[00:25:33] We're not really gonna see much of the rest
[00:25:35] of The Bad Batch guys because they did age a lot.
[00:25:39] But it could be like when we saw,
[00:25:43] who were the three that we saw in Rebels?
[00:25:45] Do you remember the clones that we saw?
[00:25:48] Oh.
[00:25:51] And even, we even saw Rex at one point
[00:25:53] as an older rebel.
[00:25:54] So we could see them popping into things
[00:25:58] as older characters, whatever, eventually.
[00:26:02] Yeah, I tend to think that,
[00:26:04] and I could be wrong about this,
[00:26:05] but I tend to think that they're beginning the process
[00:26:08] of leaving this time period behind for a while.
[00:26:10] You know what I mean?
[00:26:11] Yeah, especially with the accolades starting.
[00:26:13] But then we're going back to the Mandalorian movie
[00:26:15] in a year or whatever.
[00:26:17] It could be in, maybe we'll see her in that,
[00:26:19] honestly, it's very easily that they're setting up
[00:26:22] that she's in now.
[00:26:25] The whole time we're like, oh, she's Force sensitive,
[00:26:28] blah, blah, blah.
[00:26:29] They never explored that at all.
[00:26:31] Yeah.
[00:26:32] At all.
[00:26:32] So it was a little disappointing.
[00:26:34] I was really hoping that she would be
[00:26:37] a little bit more Force sensitive.
[00:26:39] And that that would mean something?
[00:26:40] That would mean something, yeah.
[00:26:41] But because everybody was like,
[00:26:43] oh, wait till she uses the Force.
[00:26:44] But she never does.
[00:26:45] Never does, yeah.
[00:26:47] Yeah, and they probably did that on purpose.
[00:26:49] I would bet that that was a red herring
[00:26:51] sort of a thing that they did.
[00:26:52] But again, that just seems to me
[00:26:55] like, hey, let's dangle what the fans want in front of them
[00:26:58] and not give it to them.
[00:26:59] Like Luke Skywalker.
[00:27:01] We'll throw Luke walking by in the background
[00:27:03] and just like eating a churro.
[00:27:06] And he's like, oh, and then keeps walking.
[00:27:08] And then the next day there is a wookiepedia page.
[00:27:10] It says Luke's churro.
[00:27:12] Luke's churro, yeah.
[00:27:13] And you can get an autograph.
[00:27:14] That's right.
[00:27:15] At Comic-Con.
[00:27:18] Anyway, that being said, yeah,
[00:27:20] I think especially leaning into the High Republic era,
[00:27:23] I have now finished three High Republic era books.
[00:27:27] Light of the Jedi was the first one.
[00:27:28] You had read that one, right?
[00:27:29] Yes.
[00:27:30] And then the second one was...
[00:27:35] That's gonna annoy me.
[00:27:37] There are three in the trilogy.
[00:27:39] The third one is Fallen Star.
[00:27:41] Okay.
[00:27:42] Oh, the Rising Storm was the second one.
[00:27:44] Okay.
[00:27:45] And the third one was Fallen Star.
[00:27:46] And now I'm onto,
[00:27:47] those are the big three novels
[00:27:49] in phase one of High Republic.
[00:27:51] All right.
[00:27:52] So I've moved onto the phase two portion
[00:27:54] where I'm reading Eye of Darkness.
[00:27:57] Okay.
[00:27:58] And it's all kind of following the same storyline.
[00:28:00] Like the whole, how many of these,
[00:28:01] have you read a lot of these books?
[00:28:03] Just one of them.
[00:28:04] I said like the whole story that I'm...
[00:28:06] What's up, dude?
[00:28:07] How you doing?
[00:28:10] Okay, you do you.
[00:28:11] Get what you gotta, you good?
[00:28:13] Later, skater.
[00:28:14] How dare you?
[00:28:15] We have a surprise guest that didn't even come on the
[00:28:18] show just interrupted the show.
[00:28:20] Just adjacent, show adjacent.
[00:28:21] Show adjacent.
[00:28:22] She was doing her own podcast earlier today.
[00:28:24] I'm sure she was.
[00:28:25] Yeah.
[00:28:26] Was it a real one or a fake one?
[00:28:27] It was still spilling the tea, so it was a fake one.
[00:28:29] I see.
[00:28:30] Just hit record.
[00:28:31] I know.
[00:28:32] I wanted to, well then...
[00:28:33] You should just set it up and hit record one day.
[00:28:35] I just have an extra mic hanging down
[00:28:36] that they don't know about.
[00:28:37] Yeah.
[00:28:38] Anyway, so the whole High Republic era story
[00:28:41] they're telling right now is essentially,
[00:28:43] the High Republic is this time period about
[00:28:46] you know, between 100 years before and like
[00:28:50] a thousand years before where we are right now.
[00:28:53] Right.
[00:28:54] And it's supposed to signify the Republic at its highest
[00:28:57] at its most powerful and its most hubristic
[00:28:59] and the Jedi as well.
[00:29:01] And so in this storyline, the big bad of the series
[00:29:05] is a group called the Nile led by Marcian Ro
[00:29:08] or Marcian Ro, I don't know how you say it.
[00:29:10] And it's all about them as the threat to the galaxy
[00:29:15] over the course of these three books.
[00:29:16] And essentially, it's cool because it's like
[00:29:19] signaling the downfall of the Jedi and the Republic
[00:29:23] well ahead of time because it's like,
[00:29:25] hey, here's this threat.
[00:29:26] They're not that much of a threat.
[00:29:27] Big bad thing happens.
[00:29:29] Yeah, we won't worry about that.
[00:29:30] Oh, let's react.
[00:29:31] Oh, we killed them.
[00:29:31] We're all good now.
[00:29:32] Big bad things happen.
[00:29:33] And so like, it's essentially just the Republic
[00:29:35] and the Jedi acting like, oh, we got this
[00:29:38] and not having it at all.
[00:29:39] Not having it at all.
[00:29:40] Which I think is gonna play a lot into the acolyte.
[00:29:43] Even just like the descriptions of things
[00:29:46] in the High Republic are like the robes
[00:29:49] that the Jedi, you see them wearing in the trailer.
[00:29:52] It's exactly how they had described
[00:29:54] the Jedi robes in the High Republic.
[00:29:55] They're like kind of gold trimmed and really fancy.
[00:29:58] The lightsabers in the High Republic
[00:30:00] were supposed to be a lot more intricate
[00:30:03] and like ornate and almost ornamental
[00:30:05] because they weren't really supposed
[00:30:07] to be using them all that much.
[00:30:08] Right, they didn't need to use them that much
[00:30:10] because they were such a powerhouse.
[00:30:11] Yeah, and then the other thing with them
[00:30:13] was like the Guardian Protocols.
[00:30:15] Have you ever heard of this?
[00:30:16] No.
[00:30:17] So that's something that I don't know
[00:30:19] when they added this to Star Wars lore
[00:30:21] but apparently the Jedi have a thing
[00:30:23] called the Guardian Protocol.
[00:30:24] Okay.
[00:30:25] And it's essentially whenever there's
[00:30:26] a dire need to the galaxy,
[00:30:29] they can enact the Guardian Protocols
[00:30:30] which speeds up the training of Padawans.
[00:30:35] Promotes Jedi from Padawan to Knight
[00:30:39] probably quicker than normal.
[00:30:40] Okay.
[00:30:42] And it intensifies battle training.
[00:30:43] It's like when the galaxy is at war.
[00:30:44] Sure.
[00:30:45] It's what happened during the Clone Wars.
[00:30:47] Okay, right.
[00:30:48] There was the Guardian Protocol.
[00:30:48] Yeah.
[00:30:49] I didn't realize that was it
[00:30:50] but apparently that is what happened
[00:30:51] and they talk about that in these books too
[00:30:53] because the Threat of the Nile happens
[00:30:55] and after the second book
[00:30:56] when there's this big freaking thing,
[00:30:58] they enact the Guardian,
[00:30:59] or the third book maybe,
[00:31:00] they enact the Guardian Protocols
[00:31:01] because there's a full on galactic scale war
[00:31:03] and all of a sudden so many Jedi are dying
[00:31:05] and they need to replace people like soldiers in the field.
[00:31:07] Sure, kind of like the draft.
[00:31:09] Exactly, honestly.
[00:31:10] So yeah, there's a lot of new and interesting information
[00:31:14] that makes a lot of sense, connects to today
[00:31:17] and I think the same with Jedi Survivor
[00:31:22] and I think it'll be the same with Bacalite.
[00:31:26] You won't need to read any of these books
[00:31:27] in order to get it.
[00:31:28] Sure.
[00:31:29] But if you do, you'll be rewarded for it.
[00:31:31] You're gonna see things that you're like,
[00:31:32] oh man.
[00:31:33] I remember, yeah.
[00:31:34] In Jedi Survivor, the first Jedi Fallen Order game,
[00:31:39] have you ever played any of the Uncharted games?
[00:31:41] The big thing with Jedi Survivor,
[00:31:42] it's kind of Uncharted-like.
[00:31:44] You're delving into ancient ruins and finding stuff
[00:31:47] and the first game is about the Zepho,
[00:31:48] which were these ancient alien race of Force users
[00:31:51] that I don't know if they just decided they didn't like
[00:31:53] or they were boring,
[00:31:54] but we never heard about them ever again.
[00:31:56] But this whole second.
[00:31:57] Kind of like Meta-Chlorine.
[00:31:58] Exactly, it was like, ah, it didn't work out.
[00:32:00] Let's see what we can shift to.
[00:32:01] Let's see what else we can do.
[00:32:02] So the second game, instead of Zepho ruins,
[00:32:04] you're exploring High Republic ruins
[00:32:07] and so you get all these different lore things
[00:32:11] and a part of the game is where we see
[00:32:13] an actual like, a Nihil attack.
[00:32:15] Okay.
[00:32:16] And it's like, oh, I'm reading these books right now.
[00:32:17] I know that.
[00:32:18] I know that, yeah.
[00:32:19] That's pretty rad.
[00:32:20] I know how they got there.
[00:32:20] And the first book, the big,
[00:32:23] you might remember actually, you read that,
[00:32:25] the big event that happened
[00:32:27] was the great hyperspace disaster.
[00:32:29] It was this ship that was in hyperspace and exploded
[00:32:32] and it sent all this debris everywhere at light speed
[00:32:35] and was destroying all this crap.
[00:32:38] And so like one of the places you visit in the game
[00:32:41] is a shatter, it's called the shattered moon
[00:32:43] and it's a moon that's just been obliterated
[00:32:44] as such. Okay.
[00:32:45] Just pieces of it are flying everywhere.
[00:32:46] And they don't mention it,
[00:32:48] but you know, you're left to infer
[00:32:50] that this moon was destroyed
[00:32:51] by the great hyperspace disaster in this book.
[00:32:54] So they do a pretty good job about rewarding people
[00:32:58] for digging into that expanded lore stuff.
[00:33:00] So I think if you have not
[00:33:02] and you're looking at the acolyte,
[00:33:03] excited about it, check out some of the stuff
[00:33:05] and you're gonna be excited.
[00:33:07] I think that's what I like a lot about Star Wars
[00:33:11] and especially now with Dave Filoni taking over,
[00:33:14] he, you know, when Disney took over,
[00:33:16] they said everything before us is no longer Star Wars.
[00:33:21] But now Dave Filoni is like,
[00:33:22] but there's such good stories out there,
[00:33:24] I'm gonna start incorporating them into my stuff.
[00:33:28] So I do like that he is blurring the lines
[00:33:32] between canon and non-canon.
[00:33:35] And if you enjoy more than just watching
[00:33:39] episodes four, five and six,
[00:33:41] if you enjoy Star Wars that much
[00:33:42] that you're reading books or comics
[00:33:44] or something like that,
[00:33:46] you are rewarded in a lot of the newer movies
[00:33:49] by saying, oh yeah, I remember it,
[00:33:50] like Thrawn, like everybody couldn't wait for Thrawn
[00:33:53] because they all read the books
[00:33:54] and they were like, yo, he's such a baddie
[00:33:56] and all this stuff.
[00:33:57] And even in this series that came out yesterday,
[00:34:03] the Tales of the Empire,
[00:34:05] we see there's a callback to Thrawn in here as well,
[00:34:09] which was awesome.
[00:34:10] And as I'm watching it, I'm like, yeah.
[00:34:12] You know, like, and it's the animated Thrawn,
[00:34:15] which means it's not the dad bod Thrawn.
[00:34:17] Yeah, that's right.
[00:34:19] It is full form.
[00:34:20] Yeah, it's-
[00:34:21] Not even wearing the white uniform yet.
[00:34:22] No, yeah.
[00:34:23] So it's cool.
[00:34:24] So yeah, that's,
[00:34:25] I do like the fact that there is so much
[00:34:28] Star Wars stuff out there
[00:34:30] that if you want to dig deeper into things, you can.
[00:34:34] And I think part of the dynamic shift
[00:34:36] that's happening too is like,
[00:34:38] in the old expanded universe,
[00:34:40] it was like, all right, we had three movies
[00:34:42] and the last one came out in 85 and that's it.
[00:34:45] Yeah.
[00:34:45] And so like after 1985,
[00:34:47] between 85 and like 2000 or like whatever it was,
[00:34:51] 1999 when Phantom Menace came out,
[00:34:53] the main driver behind the Star Wars lore
[00:34:56] and the Star Wars story was the books and the comics.
[00:34:58] Yeah.
[00:34:59] And that's where all the big stuff happened.
[00:35:01] Like, I don't know,
[00:35:04] like they're big galaxy shaping things,
[00:35:06] huge stories with galaxy wide implications.
[00:35:09] Once the Disney brand took over and they kind of rebooted
[00:35:12] and started making more stuff and turning stuff out,
[00:35:15] they still had these things
[00:35:16] but the books became more small scale
[00:35:18] because they couldn't,
[00:35:20] like we talked about with John Jackson,
[00:35:21] like you can only do so much
[00:35:23] but you can't kill this person.
[00:35:24] Yeah, you can't kill this guy.
[00:35:25] You can't-
[00:35:27] You can't do this.
[00:35:28] It is funny when they create a new character piece,
[00:35:33] you're like, oh this is a new guy.
[00:35:34] Here's a red shirt.
[00:35:35] Here's a red shirt so.
[00:35:36] But the great thing about the High Republic era now
[00:35:39] is that kind of the books are the main driving force
[00:35:42] behind this era right now.
[00:35:44] Right.
[00:35:44] So like they're doing these huge wide scaping stories
[00:35:48] that have huge implications from the galaxy
[00:35:52] and then they're able to influence
[00:35:54] the other media through that.
[00:35:56] Right.
[00:35:57] And they've been able to do it so far
[00:35:58] in a way that's like,
[00:35:59] because even the books,
[00:36:00] like if you just read the books,
[00:36:01] you're still missing out.
[00:36:03] Yeah.
[00:36:03] Because there's all these,
[00:36:04] like the novels are more geared towards people our age
[00:36:08] and they're actually,
[00:36:08] they're pretty good.
[00:36:09] Yeah.
[00:36:10] Like these novels are actually,
[00:36:11] there are terrifying parts of it.
[00:36:12] Like parts of these books are like,
[00:36:15] especially when the guy,
[00:36:16] when you listen to someone read it,
[00:36:17] it scares the hell out of me.
[00:36:20] But and it's clearly meant for,
[00:36:21] and this is the sort of Star Wars
[00:36:22] I have wanted for awhile.
[00:36:23] Right.
[00:36:24] But they make young adult novels and stuff like that
[00:36:26] and they continue to move the lore.
[00:36:29] Like in the High Republic books,
[00:36:32] the novel series,
[00:36:33] they're talking about the Drengir threat.
[00:36:35] Okay.
[00:36:36] And the Drengir are like this sentient plant life
[00:36:38] that is like imbued by the forest
[00:36:39] that's been wreaking havoc on many different worlds.
[00:36:41] Okay.
[00:36:42] And it's like spoken as like an ancillary event,
[00:36:44] like people mention it in these books about,
[00:36:47] oh, you know,
[00:36:47] this is like the Drengir,
[00:36:49] but like the whole young adult novels
[00:36:51] are focused on the Drengir
[00:36:53] and the threat they pose to the galaxy.
[00:36:54] Right.
[00:36:55] And in adult books,
[00:36:56] they go back to it.
[00:36:58] Yeah.
[00:36:59] Talk to a,
[00:37:00] talk to a man.
[00:37:01] And so like if you,
[00:37:01] I haven't read them yet,
[00:37:02] but like I've been reading about them.
[00:37:03] And like if you read,
[00:37:05] like if you are reading the book,
[00:37:07] you can point to these moments where like,
[00:37:09] oh, they're referencing what happened
[00:37:10] in this young adult.
[00:37:12] So like they're very,
[00:37:13] I don't know.
[00:37:14] I feel like they have a lot more freedom
[00:37:16] and at the same time,
[00:37:17] they're doing a really good job
[00:37:18] at like weaving things together.
[00:37:20] Sure.
[00:37:20] Without killing Chewbacca.
[00:37:22] Without killing Chewbacca.
[00:37:23] And Chewie's probably alive.
[00:37:28] No, maybe not.
[00:37:30] Because how old,
[00:37:30] how old did they say he was?
[00:37:32] 200?
[00:37:33] Yeah, 250.
[00:37:34] Yeah, he wasn't alive.
[00:37:34] Anyway, he's an old guy.
[00:37:35] That being said.
[00:37:36] And also like when we saw Solo the movie,
[00:37:42] that's when Han first met Chewie
[00:37:43] and Chewie was not like a freedom fighter at the time.
[00:37:47] He was just a Wookie.
[00:37:49] So if he somehow is back with this,
[00:37:51] I think it would be a little weird
[00:37:54] for him to go from that
[00:37:55] to then what happened in Solo for them,
[00:37:57] then what happens in A New Hope.
[00:38:00] Yeah.
[00:38:01] And that's the other great thing
[00:38:02] about where they're going with the Acolyte
[00:38:04] in this whole era is that
[00:38:05] they're not beholden to that crap anymore.
[00:38:06] Right.
[00:38:07] We don't have to worry about
[00:38:08] where was Han during this time.
[00:38:10] The only person they really have to worry about
[00:38:12] is Yoda because Yoda's around somewhere.
[00:38:14] Yeah, and Yoda's.
[00:38:15] And I mean he's 900 years old.
[00:38:17] He's been a Jedi for 700 years at least probably.
[00:38:20] And he's on the council.
[00:38:21] So like he's an important dude during this era.
[00:38:23] So we'll probably see him.
[00:38:25] Or they'll make reference to him.
[00:38:28] And that's the thing that annoys me with the books too
[00:38:29] is like I get it, like they want to try it.
[00:38:31] They're telling a different story.
[00:38:32] They're avoiding it.
[00:38:33] But like they mention Yoda on several occasions.
[00:38:35] I'm like just show us Yoda.
[00:38:36] Yeah.
[00:38:37] It's cool that he's Yoda.
[00:38:38] But like just they're like,
[00:38:40] oh is Master Yoda gonna be there?
[00:38:42] No, Master Yoda's a wearing out.
[00:38:44] Right, just include him.
[00:38:45] Then don't mention him at all.
[00:38:47] Yeah, even like some of the other books
[00:38:49] like when we were talking before
[00:38:50] about like some of the Thrawn books
[00:38:51] where they make Thrawn out to be such an intellect
[00:38:55] and in doing so they're making Darth Vader
[00:38:57] look like an idiot.
[00:38:58] Look like an idiot.
[00:38:59] And I'm like okay, we can't, you know, he's not.
[00:39:02] You know, like he can't be that as well.
[00:39:04] Like as Anakin was he very emotional?
[00:39:08] Yes, but I don't think he was an idiot.
[00:39:10] He wasn't necessarily a genius.
[00:39:12] Yeah.
[00:39:13] But he was smart.
[00:39:14] He was smart.
[00:39:15] Like he was really good with machines and flying.
[00:39:16] Like yeah, the newer Thrawn books
[00:39:19] did make him seem to be a bit of a nincompoop.
[00:39:22] That's the word for it.
[00:39:23] That's the word for it.
[00:39:24] All right, so we're gonna review all six episodes
[00:39:29] because they were very long.
[00:39:31] Oh yeah.
[00:39:32] Each one was like.
[00:39:33] Well they were almost the length
[00:39:33] of a Mandalorian episode.
[00:39:35] Yeah, so this is what I,
[00:39:37] maybe it has to do with the production?
[00:39:41] I feel like it has to.
[00:39:42] It must just take so long to make these things maybe
[00:39:46] cause they're great.
[00:39:47] But I want each of them to be one 45 minute episode.
[00:39:51] And I want them to release six of them.
[00:39:53] Yeah, yeah.
[00:39:54] Like they basically released two episodes.
[00:39:58] One about.
[00:39:59] Two and a half episodes.
[00:40:00] Two and a half episodes.
[00:40:01] One about Morgan, Elzbeth.
[00:40:02] And one about Barriss.
[00:40:03] And one about Barriss, yeah.
[00:40:04] And they did it before with the Tales of the Jedi
[00:40:08] as well.
[00:40:10] But it just, I don't know.
[00:40:13] It reminds me, not reminds me of,
[00:40:15] but it's just like,
[00:40:17] like just the fact that they were 15 minute episodes.
[00:40:20] And you're watching opening credits, closing credits.
[00:40:24] Now once you, putting it on Disney Plus
[00:40:27] and it did skip a little bit of that
[00:40:29] so you didn't have to watch all of it.
[00:40:31] Right.
[00:40:32] But at the same time it's like,
[00:40:34] okay there's 500 people who worked on episode one.
[00:40:39] Were there 500 different people that worked on episode two?
[00:40:41] Like I'm sure in the closing credits
[00:40:43] there was probably a lot of redundant names
[00:40:45] that we could have combined them all together.
[00:40:47] So I don't know why they do it the way they do it.
[00:40:49] I'm not a producer, I don't have the whatever
[00:40:53] but they could have just done it
[00:40:55] and it would have been a nice mini series.
[00:40:57] Especially since they're releasing them all at once.
[00:40:58] Yeah, they released all at once.
[00:40:59] It'd be one thing if they were releasing them weekly
[00:41:01] but like it's, why make us go through
[00:41:04] all the credits for a few, yeah.
[00:41:06] Yeah, six times.
[00:41:07] And you know, we're kind of going to this
[00:41:09] in a negative way.
[00:41:10] I thought they were good.
[00:41:11] I really liked them.
[00:41:12] I liked the,
[00:41:13] I liked the premise for me.
[00:41:16] It seems like a good way to take characters
[00:41:20] that it would be weird and shoehorned
[00:41:22] for them to like work in some of their origin
[00:41:25] or some of their story into one of the other mediums.
[00:41:28] Into another show, yeah.
[00:41:29] But if they just took three episodes
[00:41:31] and just focused on them,
[00:41:32] they can tell that story really well.
[00:41:35] I liked the Barris story more
[00:41:37] than the Morgan Elizabeth story but not much.
[00:41:39] I thought they were both pretty good.
[00:41:40] Right.
[00:41:43] Yes, I felt the Barris story was a better,
[00:41:47] because it had a better redemption arc.
[00:41:49] It had an arc.
[00:41:50] It had a good flow to it.
[00:41:54] I think that was the point though.
[00:41:56] I think that they are purposely juxtaposed
[00:41:59] against each other because they're both people
[00:42:03] who fall to darkness.
[00:42:04] They're both people who want revenge.
[00:42:08] And you know, through the three episodes each
[00:42:10] we see you can go one way which is to, you know,
[00:42:14] learn from your mistakes, like reflect
[00:42:17] and realize what's going on
[00:42:19] and not let your fear guide your
[00:42:22] and really dominate your future.
[00:42:24] And then there's the other way
[00:42:26] which is to go ahead and keep pushing into that.
[00:42:29] And just yeah, yeah.
[00:42:30] And that's where we see their divergent paths.
[00:42:33] They have similar origins.
[00:42:35] They're people getting destroyed.
[00:42:37] They're disillusioned.
[00:42:39] Yeah, their families.
[00:42:39] Their families have been taken from them.
[00:42:42] But Morgan, you know, takes that anger
[00:42:46] and continues to fuel it
[00:42:47] whereas Barris kind of looks back
[00:42:49] and she mentions at the end of her thing,
[00:42:53] she's like a darkness took me.
[00:42:54] Yeah.
[00:42:55] Which I guess is her kind of way
[00:42:56] of coming to terms in the future
[00:42:59] with the fact that she thought back
[00:43:03] and went, because she in the moment
[00:43:05] didn't think she was wrong.
[00:43:06] She wasn't evil ever.
[00:43:08] You know what I mean?
[00:43:09] She was following a good soldier follows orders
[00:43:12] for a Clone Wars thing.
[00:43:14] So she was following orders.
[00:43:16] She thought the empire was,
[00:43:18] she was sold on this story
[00:43:20] that the empire was going to be doing good
[00:43:23] for the whole galaxy.
[00:43:25] So she bought in on it.
[00:43:26] And it's just like her origin story.
[00:43:28] She didn't think when she was doing
[00:43:30] what she was doing in the Clone Wars
[00:43:32] that she was evil.
[00:43:32] She thought the Jedi were corrupt
[00:43:34] and she was trying to,
[00:43:36] she was misguided, whatever.
[00:43:38] But again, she was never doing it
[00:43:39] as like I'm an evil,
[00:43:42] she wasn't that kind of person.
[00:43:43] She was misguided.
[00:43:45] Misguided, right.
[00:43:46] So I wanna do a little bit of deep dives first,
[00:43:49] a little about the characters.
[00:43:51] Get it, let's get into it.
[00:43:53] In episode one,
[00:43:56] Morgan Ellsworth is battling
[00:43:59] against General Grievous.
[00:44:01] And I wanted to know more about this Grievous character
[00:44:04] because we've seen him a lot
[00:44:07] and we know who he is
[00:44:08] and we know that he's a bad guy
[00:44:10] and a general in the empire and all that stuff.
[00:44:13] But I was like, what is he?
[00:44:15] What is this?
[00:44:16] So I went to Wikipedia,
[00:44:20] Wookipedia I should say,
[00:44:21] and he's a Kaleesh male warlord.
[00:44:26] The droid part of him is not part of him.
[00:44:31] That's from the thing.
[00:44:33] Yeah, which is funny
[00:44:36] because the way they worded in here,
[00:44:38] it brings it back to the Obi-Wan,
[00:44:43] nope, the Boba Fett series with the biker gang
[00:44:46] who was all about getting.
[00:44:48] Oh, the augments or whatever.
[00:44:51] Yeah, the droid augmentations and stuff.
[00:44:53] So Kaleesh,
[00:44:56] I'm hoping I'm saying it, C-A-L-E-S-H.
[00:44:58] Yeah, Kaleesh.
[00:44:59] Yeah, Kaleesh.
[00:45:00] Kaleesh were a reptilian sentinel species
[00:45:02] from the wild space world of Kalee
[00:45:05] and were formidable warriors
[00:45:06] not known for their kindness and typical
[00:45:08] and typically concealed their features
[00:45:10] behind traditional war masks,
[00:45:12] which is what that skull is,
[00:45:14] is a war mask that he wears on top of his face.
[00:45:17] Frequently crafted from the skulls
[00:45:19] of fearsome beasts in their home world.
[00:45:22] Despite their technological inferiority,
[00:45:24] they engaged in conflicts
[00:45:25] notably against their planetary neighbors, the Huk.
[00:45:29] The most notorious members of this species,
[00:45:30] General Grievous fought as supreme marital commander
[00:45:34] of the separatist droid armies during the Clone Wars.
[00:45:37] So I was very confused as to how he had a bone face
[00:45:40] and now I learned that it was a mask that he wore.
[00:45:44] And then also going back to the details on Grievous,
[00:45:49] it says became fearsome warrior
[00:45:54] were against the same things.
[00:45:55] Grievous and continued his conquest quickly.
[00:45:57] Oh, his original name was Quimeon J. Shalini.
[00:46:04] Shalala.
[00:46:05] I have a cousin in that.
[00:46:06] You do, I have Matt Harris, he's really nice.
[00:46:08] Wonderful.
[00:46:09] Yeah, eventually took the name of Grievous
[00:46:10] and continued his conquest quickly,
[00:46:12] become a warlord earning a bloody reputation
[00:46:15] for his home world gathering together.
[00:46:17] Grievous traveled and fought alongside
[00:46:19] a group of personal bodyguards,
[00:46:20] the Izvor Kya for years they shared in his victories
[00:46:24] and a love of battle as well.
[00:46:26] Grievous' potential was seen by the Sith Lord,
[00:46:29] Dark Sidious and Darth Tyrannus.
[00:46:32] Tyrannus.
[00:46:33] Also known as Dooku.
[00:46:35] Count Dooku.
[00:46:36] The Count of Serino.
[00:46:38] Monte Cristo.
[00:46:39] Monte Cristo, as he held his people
[00:46:41] in a merciless war against the Yarmari.
[00:46:43] In time Grievous led the Khaleesh forces
[00:46:46] with his frosted indetermination,
[00:46:48] brutally punishing the insect species from his home world.
[00:46:50] However, the Galactic Republican Jedi Order
[00:46:52] interfered, blah, blah, blah.
[00:46:55] It says somewhere that here does he,
[00:46:57] when he, sometimes later,
[00:47:02] members of the Executive Separatist Council
[00:47:04] of the newly formed Confederacy of Independent Systems
[00:47:07] led by Dooku conspired to mortally wound Grievous
[00:47:11] in a bid to convert him into a super cyborg,
[00:47:15] subsequently subverting to their cause.
[00:47:19] Dooku's agents sabotaged Grievous' shuttle
[00:47:22] which resulted in a gruesome crash
[00:47:25] that left the man on the brink of death.
[00:47:27] Grievous was offered conversion
[00:47:30] into an enhanced cybernetic being by the Sith
[00:47:34] who were interested in experimenting
[00:47:36] with technologically advanced beings.
[00:47:39] His remaining vital organs implanted
[00:47:42] into a powerful robotic body.
[00:47:45] After the majority of his organic body was destroyed,
[00:47:48] but over time he gradually started
[00:47:49] to make considerable improvements to a cybernetic body.
[00:47:53] So that's where and when he lost most 90%
[00:47:58] of his Kalish body and became this battle cyborg.
[00:48:04] And Kalish traditionally, normally,
[00:48:08] only have two arms and two legs,
[00:48:09] but as we know Grievous-
[00:48:11] He's got a couple more.
[00:48:12] He's got a couple more.
[00:48:13] Yeah.
[00:48:14] So yes, so that was when we saw him
[00:48:16] on the screen in the first episode
[00:48:21] hunting down and fighting Morgan Elizabeth.
[00:48:24] I was like, you know what?
[00:48:25] I don't know nothing about him.
[00:48:26] Now I do.
[00:48:27] And now so do you.
[00:48:28] Thanks to me because I am awesome.
[00:48:30] Way to go, Rob.
[00:48:31] Yep, there we go.
[00:48:32] So Morgan Elizabeth.
[00:48:32] Now the only thing I didn't like about this series was,
[00:48:37] I'm just gonna bluntly say it like this.
[00:48:39] Why?
[00:48:40] Why?
[00:48:41] Why do we care about these two?
[00:48:43] That's the only thing that I said to myself was like-
[00:48:47] I have definitely heard many people
[00:48:49] asking about what happened to Barris.
[00:48:51] I don't know that I've heard a whole lot of people
[00:48:53] clamoring for a Morgan Elizabeth origin story,
[00:48:58] but definitely there has been some chatter about,
[00:49:00] oh what happened to Barris after Order 66?
[00:49:03] I think there was some stuff out there
[00:49:06] about maybe she had died, but that was retconned.
[00:49:10] But yeah, I mean there's other,
[00:49:13] for me it's less why these two
[00:49:16] and more why only these two.
[00:49:18] But again, I think it might have to do with production.
[00:49:21] I know that animation takes so long to do.
[00:49:25] And the animation in this was very clean.
[00:49:27] It was, although I did take note of the fact
[00:49:30] that all of the fight animation
[00:49:31] was your standard animation.
[00:49:34] It wasn't like a motion cap.
[00:49:35] The motion capture.
[00:49:36] We didn't have any of those scenes
[00:49:38] where we had motion capture like we have in the past.
[00:49:42] Which was fine, but then I get,
[00:49:44] whenever I see one of those motion caps,
[00:49:46] it's clear like, oh this is gonna be a good fight.
[00:49:48] This is real, yeah it's gonna be a good fight.
[00:49:50] But yeah, I mean it's,
[00:49:52] I guess I see what they're doing.
[00:49:55] They just finished their first season of Thrawn.
[00:49:59] I'm betting we're gonna see in Ahsoka Season Two,
[00:50:03] this is gonna have implications with Morgan.
[00:50:07] Because a lot of Morgan Elizabeth's thing is,
[00:50:11] first of all, I didn't know
[00:50:12] there was light side Nightsisters.
[00:50:15] No, no.
[00:50:16] That was news to me.
[00:50:17] But apparently they have been mentioned in the past.
[00:50:20] I think the first mention of them is actually in the book
[00:50:22] you read, The Courtship of Princess Leia.
[00:50:24] Actually yes, now that you say that,
[00:50:26] that is true because they were helping Luke and Leia.
[00:50:32] They were like teaming up with them.
[00:50:36] That's actually the first book
[00:50:37] that they mentioned Nightsisters in.
[00:50:39] That's what brought Nightsisters into canon.
[00:50:41] Oh okay.
[00:50:42] Yeah.
[00:50:42] Okay.
[00:50:43] So they've been around, but yeah,
[00:50:45] I guess I didn't realize and then I saw it.
[00:50:47] I'm like that makes sense.
[00:50:48] We see these Nightsisters that use this magic,
[00:50:50] but it's just the force,
[00:50:51] but it's another way of accessing the force.
[00:50:53] So clearly there must be a light side counterpart to it.
[00:50:56] So it was funny because as I was reading it,
[00:50:59] I didn't think too much into it,
[00:51:01] but I was just like, Nightsisters,
[00:51:03] I was like oh, but then they were taking care of them.
[00:51:07] And I was like, maybe it's just because they are
[00:51:10] in a feud with the other Nightsisters.
[00:51:12] The Mountain Tribe.
[00:51:13] The Mountain Tribe.
[00:51:13] I was like, okay, whatever.
[00:51:15] But now after seeing this, we see,
[00:51:19] okay, they were actually good Nightsisters
[00:51:21] and bad Nightsisters.
[00:51:22] But yeah.
[00:51:23] This is another one of those moments
[00:51:25] where number one, reading the books
[00:51:28] gives you that little tiny extra payoff.
[00:51:30] Oh, you can make that connection.
[00:51:31] But also where what's a freaking Dave Filoni
[00:51:36] is taking something from that.
[00:51:37] Taking something from it.
[00:51:38] And putting it on screen.
[00:51:39] Yeah.
[00:51:40] So real fast, Morgan Ellsmith
[00:51:42] was a force sensitive human female Nightsister
[00:51:44] and industrialist who was instrumental
[00:51:47] in the construction of the Imperial Navy
[00:51:49] during the regime of the Galactic Empire.
[00:51:52] And a dedicated follower of Grand Admiral Mithral,
[00:51:56] Mithron Uodo.
[00:51:57] Mithron Uodo, yep.
[00:51:58] Which we all know as Thrawn.
[00:52:01] After the fall of the Empire,
[00:52:02] Morgan sought to return Thrawn to the galaxy
[00:52:05] and lead an army along with the aid
[00:52:07] of Imperial sympathizers to achieve this.
[00:52:09] So here's the thing.
[00:52:11] So like, you know, the big moment in
[00:52:15] with Captain Pelion.
[00:52:16] And again, as soon as we saw the TIE Defender,
[00:52:18] I knew all right, we're gonna have Thrawn
[00:52:20] in here somewhere.
[00:52:21] Yeah, because she was designing it
[00:52:22] and then yeah, it was pretty neat.
[00:52:24] Yeah, I liked the way they did that.
[00:52:25] And I like how once again,
[00:52:28] this is a typical Thrawn storyline
[00:52:31] where the other Imperial people are like,
[00:52:34] you're an idiot and we're not doing this.
[00:52:36] And then Thrawn is like,
[00:52:38] I see what you're doing here.
[00:52:39] I got you.
[00:52:40] Yeah.
[00:52:41] But Pelion, he asked that question,
[00:52:42] why are you doing this?
[00:52:43] And she goes, for the glory of the Empire.
[00:52:45] And he's like, nah.
[00:52:46] No, why are you really doing this?
[00:52:48] And then when Thrawn calls her on it,
[00:52:50] she's like, for revenge and all this stuff.
[00:52:53] If you pull that line forward into
[00:52:58] Ahsoka season one,
[00:53:00] and you think about the political things
[00:53:02] that are going on,
[00:53:03] Morgan is trying to get to Thrawn,
[00:53:05] all this stuff, but it's like,
[00:53:06] why is Morgan fighting for the Empire?
[00:53:09] She says for revenge, but the Empire is.
[00:53:11] Yeah, the Empire is what did it.
[00:53:13] So it's not, if you think about it that way,
[00:53:17] she's using the Empire to find more Nightsisters.
[00:53:22] That's her goal.
[00:53:23] That's her goal.
[00:53:24] It's not to align with the Empire.
[00:53:26] It's not glory of the Empire.
[00:53:27] And you carry that through,
[00:53:29] she gets to whatever the freaking world
[00:53:32] as I forget in.
[00:53:33] Yeah, and they were showing that too,
[00:53:36] in this.
[00:53:36] Yeah.
[00:53:37] That's the village that she was in there
[00:53:39] where everybody is like,
[00:53:40] oh please, you promised us
[00:53:43] when she was selling the plans.
[00:53:45] Oh, that was in the town
[00:53:48] where she fought Ahsoka in the Mandalorian.
[00:53:50] In the Mandalorian, yes.
[00:53:52] But then when they go to that alternate world
[00:53:55] with the new Nightsisters on it,
[00:53:57] in Ahsoka.
[00:53:58] Oh yeah, in Ahsoka, yeah.
[00:54:00] That's more I think her end game.
[00:54:02] You know what I mean?
[00:54:03] She's been working with the Empire all these years,
[00:54:05] but she says she wants revenge.
[00:54:07] Now she's found more Nightsisters,
[00:54:09] and we even see in Ahsoka season one
[00:54:12] the Nightsisters aren't cool with Thrawn.
[00:54:14] No.
[00:54:15] There's that one part where they're bombing the temple
[00:54:17] and they're like,
[00:54:18] I don't want them to bomb that temple.
[00:54:19] Yeah, yeah.
[00:54:20] So I think we're gonna see,
[00:54:23] yeah, she worked with Thrawn for all these years,
[00:54:24] but she said she wants revenge.
[00:54:27] She's not doing it for the Empire.
[00:54:28] She wants revenge.
[00:54:29] And I think we'll see some of that.
[00:54:31] Yeah, 100%.
[00:54:33] So yeah, so those three episodes
[00:54:36] did have a lot of good callbacks.
[00:54:38] One, learning more about her relationship with Thrawn.
[00:54:42] Also when the Mountain Nightsisters took her in,
[00:54:48] and then they're,
[00:54:50] not how I'm gonna say training her
[00:54:51] or whatever they were doing with her,
[00:54:52] but then the Mother Nightsister was like,
[00:54:56] oh, I see bad things for you.
[00:54:59] And it was really cool cinematography-wise,
[00:55:02] and she's standing in front of fire.
[00:55:04] It's like, yeah, you're the devil
[00:55:05] or whatever type of thing.
[00:55:06] And that scene is mirrored at the end of the season.
[00:55:09] Yes.
[00:55:10] Because at the end of the series,
[00:55:11] she's standing in front of her own town
[00:55:14] that she set on fire.
[00:55:15] Yep, that she set on fire.
[00:55:15] With fire behind her.
[00:55:16] Yeah.
[00:55:17] Interesting, again, cinematography for a cartoon.
[00:55:21] Yeah, for a 45-minute episode of a cartoon, yeah.
[00:55:25] But yeah, and the callback to her town
[00:55:28] that was in The Mandalorian,
[00:55:29] as well as seeing her really go into Thrawn
[00:55:36] and becoming a good, not number one,
[00:55:39] but a good ally to Thrawn in the beginning.
[00:55:43] So it was neat.
[00:55:43] It was a good storyline.
[00:55:45] It wasn't anything drastic, I would say.
[00:55:51] Like we didn't really,
[00:55:52] we learned a little bit about her.
[00:55:54] We learned why she's so angry.
[00:55:56] Yeah, we taught her motivations.
[00:55:58] That's not all we really taught them.
[00:55:59] But that's all we really got out of that.
[00:56:00] And then the next three episodes
[00:56:02] were all about Baris Offee,
[00:56:04] is that how you say her last name?
[00:56:05] Yep.
[00:56:06] And she, so it was funny,
[00:56:09] like I have such a bad memory.
[00:56:12] Like I remember seeing the yellow skin
[00:56:15] and the tattoos and stuff like that,
[00:56:16] but I couldn't remember where or when or whatever.
[00:56:19] Right.
[00:56:20] So she's also, and I like how this has been updated
[00:56:24] since- Since it was released.
[00:56:26] Since it was released, yeah.
[00:56:27] Also known under the title of The Healer later in her life
[00:56:31] was a force-sensitive-
[00:56:33] Miriela.
[00:56:33] Miriela female and a Jedi Knight
[00:56:35] that fell to the dark side of the forest
[00:56:37] during the period of the Clone Wars.
[00:56:39] Trained as a Padawan under Jedi Master Luminaria.
[00:56:43] Luminara Syndulla?
[00:56:44] Yep.
[00:56:45] Offee wielded a blue lightsaber
[00:56:47] that she used when participating
[00:56:49] in the first battle of Geonosis.
[00:56:50] She preferred studying ancient Jedi texts to fighting.
[00:56:54] During her time as a Jedi Padawan,
[00:56:56] Offee forged a friendship with Ahsoka Tano,
[00:56:59] the Padawan of Anakin Skywalker.
[00:57:02] Though rather differently in personalities,
[00:57:04] the two bonded through their shared experiences
[00:57:06] in combat, including at the second battle of Geonosis.
[00:57:09] As the Clone Wars continued,
[00:57:11] Offee grew disillusioned
[00:57:12] with the Jedi's role in the conflict,
[00:57:14] believing they had strayed from the ideals
[00:57:16] that the Jedi Order was supposed to represent,
[00:57:19] becoming particularly wary of the Jedi Council.
[00:57:22] Deciding to act on her concerns,
[00:57:24] she orchestrated the bombing of the Jedi Temple
[00:57:26] as a means to foment further distrust
[00:57:31] of the Jedi.
[00:57:32] Despite their previous friendships,
[00:57:33] she allowed Tano to be framed
[00:57:35] for orchestrating the bombing,
[00:57:36] even going as far as impersonating
[00:57:38] a former Sith apprentice, Asajj Ventress,
[00:57:42] to frame her former friend.
[00:57:45] Skywalker ultimately ended up catching Offee
[00:57:48] and bringing her to justice.
[00:57:50] Offee finally confessed just moments
[00:57:52] before Tano was convicted of the crime,
[00:57:54] clearing the Torguta's name.
[00:57:58] Offee expressed her views of the Jedi Order
[00:58:00] in front of the Tribune,
[00:58:01] showing that she had been corrupted by the Dark Side
[00:58:03] before being taken away.
[00:58:05] So that's all what happened during the Clone Wars.
[00:58:08] And now after reading that I go,
[00:58:10] oh yeah, I do remember that's who she was.
[00:58:13] But this was a much different story.
[00:58:16] Like this really went into afterwards, I guess, right?
[00:58:22] When she was then,
[00:58:24] because the,
[00:58:27] who were the Sith, they weren't Sith, but the-
[00:58:30] Inquisitors.
[00:58:31] Inquisitors, yes.
[00:58:32] So she gets captured by the Inquisitors
[00:58:35] and taken in, and basically what the Jedi does
[00:58:40] or what the Sith do so often is mess with your mind
[00:58:45] and manipulate your mind into thinking
[00:58:48] that the good guys are bad
[00:58:51] and you are now the good guy.
[00:58:52] You are not the bad guy.
[00:58:54] You are doing the right things.
[00:58:55] They were saying things like,
[00:58:57] the Jedi can only teach you so much.
[00:58:59] We're gonna teach you how to be complete.
[00:59:02] And leading it that way.
[00:59:04] And so then she becomes
[00:59:06] and starts helping out the Inquisitors.
[00:59:08] So the whole thing with that,
[00:59:10] so they started off in her cell, right?
[00:59:12] And she sees the Jedi Temple during Order 66.
[00:59:15] And then she's brought to the Fortress Inquisitorius
[00:59:20] which is under construction.
[00:59:24] We've seen that in several, we saw it in Obi-Wan.
[00:59:25] We saw it in a couple different things.
[00:59:27] And right now in the time period where we're at
[00:59:29] it's still under construction.
[00:59:32] And she's brought to this place with two other Jedi.
[00:59:36] And usually the thing with Inquisitors,
[00:59:39] they don't just say,
[00:59:40] hey you're a Jedi being an Inquisitor.
[00:59:43] They find the ones that they know
[00:59:45] they're questioning the Jedi.
[00:59:47] They're unsure, they're doubting their beliefs.
[00:59:50] And so the three of them,
[00:59:51] Baris and these other two or three people
[00:59:53] that clearly they judged,
[00:59:56] all right these three might be able to be convinced.
[00:59:59] Convince, yeah.
[01:00:00] And so Baris, her whole thing was
[01:00:03] she thought the Jedi were on their own track.
[01:00:06] And so it wasn't hard to convince her.
[01:00:08] The only thing with her was
[01:00:10] she was actually convinced
[01:00:13] that they were not on the right track.
[01:00:14] She wasn't convinced that
[01:00:17] and it twisted her necessarily.
[01:00:18] But she, so when she saw the,
[01:00:22] she wanted to be a Jedi
[01:00:24] but what she thought the ideal of the Jedi was.
[01:00:26] And so you saw her going on Inquisitor missions
[01:00:29] and trying to talk to people
[01:00:31] and reason with them.
[01:00:33] So even in going backwards,
[01:00:34] when they brought those three people in,
[01:00:37] then it became just two at the end.
[01:00:39] They go, okay, you're our final two.
[01:00:41] And they throw one lightsaber down
[01:00:44] and they go, okay now you guys have to battle
[01:00:47] to the death and whoever wins
[01:00:50] will get to, you'll get to be a part of us.
[01:00:53] It's like that scene from Dark Knight.
[01:00:56] Yeah.
[01:00:56] He snaps the pool cue in half.
[01:00:57] Yeah, uh-huh.
[01:00:58] And the other person was like,
[01:01:01] oh we're not gonna do it.
[01:01:02] And it was neat because the force field,
[01:01:07] you could see it as it was shrinking in
[01:01:09] like in Fortnite.
[01:01:10] Yeah.
[01:01:11] It was like burning the ground.
[01:01:13] And she was like, look I don't wanna die.
[01:01:16] So.
[01:01:17] And she choked him.
[01:01:18] It wasn't even as clean as picking up a lightsaber
[01:01:20] and defending herself.
[01:01:21] No.
[01:01:22] She snapped his neck.
[01:01:24] Yeah.
[01:01:24] It was pretty dark.
[01:01:25] It was deep, it was dark, yeah.
[01:01:27] So and then which,
[01:01:31] fast forward to the end when
[01:01:35] the Inquisitor finds her again.
[01:01:38] It's the fourth sister.
[01:01:39] The fourth sister finds her
[01:01:40] and then she's battling her without a lightsaber.
[01:01:44] And that was pretty clearly a direct callback
[01:01:47] to her fight with the Grand Inquisitor.
[01:01:49] Yes.
[01:01:49] Where he's fighting without a lightsaber.
[01:01:51] He says your something cloud or makes you predictable
[01:01:55] and then at the end she says
[01:01:56] she says your anger makes you predictable.
[01:01:58] Yeah.
[01:01:59] So it was a neat callback there as well.
[01:02:03] But then going back to what you were saying,
[01:02:06] she's going on all these Inquisitor missions
[01:02:09] and they told her we are doing good by
[01:02:15] stopping all of these uprisings basically.
[01:02:18] And she was like okay, well we can stop these uprisings
[01:02:21] without killing people and they're like nope,
[01:02:23] you gotta kill them all.
[01:02:24] It's not our thing.
[01:02:25] And she's like no but why do we,
[01:02:26] we didn't need to do that
[01:02:27] and then you could see the cracks starting to appear
[01:02:31] where she was like okay this isn't what I was,
[01:02:34] this isn't the bag of goods I was sold on.
[01:02:36] Right.
[01:02:37] And to the point where it was a good twist
[01:02:41] when she goes well there's still one more Jedi
[01:02:43] that you need to kill then.
[01:02:45] And it was also cool she like forced,
[01:02:47] just pushed her, like snuck her right off the edge
[01:02:51] and then escaped and I was like okay,
[01:02:53] that's her now turning to the good side again
[01:02:56] going back to the light side.
[01:02:59] So yeah and it was fun when they,
[01:03:03] I guess they brought the children,
[01:03:05] I forget how it ended, how they.
[01:03:07] Well there was the kid who needed the healer.
[01:03:10] Yes, oh yeah and then she essentially
[01:03:12] turned into a shaman.
[01:03:13] Yeah, yeah she was like almost like Luke
[01:03:16] in episodes seven, eight and nine.
[01:03:19] Now here's something I saw that people
[01:03:21] are kind of speculating on because we see this
[01:03:23] and there's clearly been a time jump for Barriss.
[01:03:26] Yes.
[01:03:27] Not for the fourth sister.
[01:03:28] No.
[01:03:29] The fourth sister looked exactly the same.
[01:03:30] She ages a lot differently.
[01:03:32] But Barriss looks like she's been like
[01:03:34] just beaten in the face for a couple hours
[01:03:37] but the thought there is that that was purposefully done
[01:03:42] because we see she's the healer, right?
[01:03:45] So she's been using the force to heal people
[01:03:47] and we see Daisy Ray specifically mention
[01:03:51] that it's a life essence transfer.
[01:03:52] You're transferring some of your life into them.
[01:03:54] And Kylo did it so much that he died
[01:03:56] so maybe she's been doing this for X many years
[01:03:59] and that's her way of penance is like
[01:04:01] I'm giving my life little by little away.
[01:04:04] All these people who need help.
[01:04:05] Yeah and so by the time this fourth sister
[01:04:08] finds her and tracks her down,
[01:04:09] she's been prematurely aged because of it.
[01:04:11] Sure, yeah.
[01:04:12] And which of course won't matter.
[01:04:14] Age shouldn't be a thing in Star Wars
[01:04:16] that matters as far as like your fighting prowess
[01:04:19] or anything like that.
[01:04:20] Which is why she's able to still kind of
[01:04:22] dip dodge and everything but she does look a little
[01:04:24] Weary.
[01:04:24] Looks a little bit older because her force
[01:04:26] was pulling out all of her life essence.
[01:04:30] Yeah so they were good.
[01:04:31] I don't think Barriss is dead.
[01:04:33] I think we would have seen if Barriss was dead
[01:04:35] so I'm sure we're gonna see more of Barriss
[01:04:37] at some point.
[01:04:38] Um but yeah I like the Barriss episodes.
[01:04:43] I like the way they tied in.
[01:04:45] Yeah and I like, I don't know,
[01:04:47] I'm a sucker for a good redemption story.
[01:04:50] Sure.
[01:04:51] And she had more of a redemption story
[01:04:53] than Morgan Ellsbeth did but by the time
[01:04:55] we see Morgan Ellsbeth in Ahsoka
[01:04:59] and Mandalorian, she's still angry.
[01:05:03] Yeah we know she's a villain.
[01:05:05] She's a villain, she's never gonna be.
[01:05:06] Barriss has always been more complicated than that.
[01:05:07] Yeah so they were fun, they were good episodes.
[01:05:12] You know like I said why and you said why not more
[01:05:16] which is similar like.
[01:05:18] I love the concept, I love what they're doing with it.
[01:05:22] I just, you know.
[01:05:23] Yeah.
[01:05:24] I would like more than just two of these characters
[01:05:27] every year.
[01:05:27] Right yeah tales of, what was the first one?
[01:05:30] The Jedi.
[01:05:31] Tales of the Jedi.
[01:05:32] I think the way they're doing it,
[01:05:33] it seems like every other year they're dropping
[01:05:35] one of these on May 4th
[01:05:36] because last year it was season two of Visions.
[01:05:40] Right.
[01:05:41] I think the year before that it was season one.
[01:05:43] Tales of the Jedi came out in 2022.
[01:05:45] Yeah on May the 4th?
[01:05:48] It just says 2022, it doesn't say the release date.
[01:05:53] Oh no October 26th.
[01:05:55] So it wasn't a May 4th release.
[01:05:56] Yeah so it wasn't a May 4th release.
[01:05:58] But yeah like I don't know,
[01:06:00] I can't imagine it taking two years
[01:06:03] to make these cartoons.
[01:06:04] Yeah.
[01:06:06] Maybe it did, I don't know.
[01:06:08] But I would like to see more.
[01:06:10] Yeah.
[01:06:11] I mean these two characters were good.
[01:06:15] I really could care less about Morgan Elizabeth.
[01:06:19] It was nice to see it but whatever.
[01:06:22] I would have rather seen somebody else who we have had.
[01:06:26] Give me a Mace Windu origin story.
[01:06:28] Yeah yeah something that we've had more time with.
[01:06:32] You know something that we care more about.
[01:06:34] My assumption is it's all about setting up what's next.
[01:06:36] Yeah I can see that.
[01:06:37] So my guess is they did Morgan Elizabeth
[01:06:38] because hey this is gonna be important for.
[01:06:41] Right for the next Thrawn or whatever so.
[01:06:44] Which is I get but at a certain point
[01:06:46] it's like that's fine do that
[01:06:47] plus all the other things we like.
[01:06:48] Right right like throw in somebody else
[01:06:50] in it with it as well.
[01:06:52] You know like give us somebody else as well.
[01:06:54] And now that I'm thinking about it,
[01:06:55] I'm betting we see Varys in Ahsoka season two.
[01:06:59] I can see that because she was a good friend of Ahsoka.
[01:07:03] And at the end of that when they talk about sending.
[01:07:05] Like oh I have a contact I can send you to
[01:07:07] when they're talking to the family.
[01:07:09] Right.
[01:07:10] I mean it seems like it might.
[01:07:12] Right like she could be sending her to Ahsoka.
[01:07:14] Yeah.
[01:07:15] It seems like it would make sense
[01:07:16] that maybe if she's done this
[01:07:18] and she's kind of made her piece
[01:07:20] she might have reached out to Ahsoka.
[01:07:22] Yeah who was.
[01:07:26] We saw in the bounty hunter that came in Bad Batch.
[01:07:33] What was her name.
[01:07:34] There was like a preview in the preview we saw her.
[01:07:37] We're like oh she's coming.
[01:07:39] She was in one episode of the Bad Batch.
[01:07:41] Assajj Ventress.
[01:07:41] Yes.
[01:07:42] I was interest. Yeah.
[01:07:43] So like it like it's going to be something like that
[01:07:46] where it's it's going to be a one episode story
[01:07:49] or cameo or something like that of whatever.
[01:07:51] So but it would be worth it.
[01:07:52] Yes.
[01:07:53] So all right.
[01:07:54] Well that was Tales of the Empire.
[01:07:57] Not not T.A.I.L.
[01:07:59] The Empire doesn't have long fluffy tails.
[01:08:01] Some of them might be cool.
[01:08:02] Some of them might be.
[01:08:03] I mean there is there is a Wookie but Wookie's don't have tails either.
[01:08:06] They don't do that.
[01:08:08] Did you see there was a meme and it said what it is.
[01:08:15] What does Chewbacca have down there is like a dog
[01:08:19] where he has a red rocket or no.
[01:08:23] I don't want to.
[01:08:23] There are certain things that I don't want to know.
[01:08:25] And knowing the internet.
[01:08:26] Yeah. You can find out.
[01:08:28] Oh yeah. You'll find.
[01:08:29] Yeah. The people will make A.I. images of whatever it is.
[01:08:32] I downloaded a two hour trial for Baldur's Gate 3.
[01:08:37] You ever play the Baldur's Gate when you're young.
[01:08:38] I remember the name.
[01:08:39] I don't remember.
[01:08:40] I so Baldur's Gate 3 my students rave about it.
[01:08:42] They say you got to play Baldur's Gate.
[01:08:43] And I you know it's very well rated.
[01:08:46] So I tried the two hour version the trial and it is a good game.
[01:08:49] OK.
[01:08:50] The character creation.
[01:08:52] OK.
[01:08:53] Is ridiculous.
[01:08:54] OK.
[01:08:56] You know you ever hear about you know there's these character
[01:08:58] creations and you can change so much.
[01:09:01] You there are three or six different genital options.
[01:09:05] Oh my goodness.
[01:09:06] Literally it says which generals and you get to pick.
[01:09:08] Oh geez.
[01:09:09] And you look at each one and you do I want that piece of gin.
[01:09:12] Oh gosh.
[01:09:13] Or you want this general or that type of general which type.
[01:09:15] OK. This type of general.
[01:09:16] How do you want this type of general to look.
[01:09:18] Oh my gosh.
[01:09:19] It's like my students told me to play this.
[01:09:21] Yeah yeah. Like what the hell.
[01:09:24] You're like guys do you remember the character creation.
[01:09:27] Maybe that's why they're telling me like yeah you make this
[01:09:29] tell you.
[01:09:30] Yeah.
[01:09:32] Boy anyway so I don't know how I got to that but it's about time.
[01:09:36] It is.
[01:09:37] That ball of bits because we're an hour and 10 into it so it's
[01:09:39] definitely about time.
[01:09:41] Yeah.
[01:09:41] But yeah we'll be back soon we're going to be talking more
[01:09:44] about the ending of Bad Batch.
[01:09:45] I want to talk a little bit about Jedi Survivor talk some High
[01:09:48] Republic books and the accolades coming out soon in the
[01:09:51] accolade and we got to start putting up missing posters for
[01:09:54] Rob's beard.
[01:09:54] That's right.
[01:09:55] I finally shaved it off.
[01:09:56] It's just a little bit there.
[01:09:58] Yeah I mean I shaved it weeks ago and it's you know whatever.
[01:10:01] So but either way from all of us here in the Bantham milk
[01:10:06] headquarters right behind that shoulder there we have spoken