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[00:00:25] Erfare jetzt mehr über das neue Galaxy Z Flip 6 auf Samsung.de On this episode of Bantha Milk Podcast, we're back around the Dejarik Table with two new guests and four new questions. I like when our guest, Bob, their head along to our theme music.
[00:01:13] It definitely makes Nick, my other co-host, very excited about that. So welcome everybody! Today, I will say, this is... It's only our fourth episode. Last three episodes, we had some great guests and some great questions, but I will say looking at the two questions that you guys brought,
[00:01:33] this is going to be our deepest episode yet because these questions are amazing. I really love the episodes that our two guests brought with us today. First, I want to introduce my co-host Tom. What's up buddy? Not much. Back for episode four, the search for more listeners.
[00:01:48] The search... It's almost like space balls, right? Alright, and we have two very special people with us. I'm going to say your last name wrong and I apologize. I should have asked you while we were talking earlier. De-shaal? Yeah, De-shaal. De-shaal? Perfect! Alright, Gabriel De-shaal. He is awesome.
[00:02:10] For any of you who are listening, if you're driving in the car right now, stop, go to Instagram, type in his name or even just Gabriel Junkart. You are going to be amazed by what this man can sculpt and what he can do.
[00:02:25] But you don't want to hear it from me, you want to hear it from Gabriel himself. So Gabriel, sorry, go ahead and tell us everything all about yourself, whatever you want to tell us. Go for it. Thanks for that warm welcome. Appreciate it.
[00:02:37] So I'm an artist. I'm a sculptor. I upcycle. That's kind of my approach to my art. But I kind of have a couple different series or unique spin on this part of the materials I use is around luxury goods as one of those series.
[00:02:54] So I take, use luxury goods like Louis Vuitton and Gucci and I reimagine them through the lens of some of these pop culture icons, especially through Star Wars and other series that I've explored.
[00:03:09] You can see a couple of them in the background here of all the madness behind me. And yeah, and so that's, that's I've been on this journey for about 25 years and continue to kind of hone my skill and refine.
[00:03:22] And there's no shortage of things for me to explore. So that's awesome. Well, welcome to the show. Thank you for agreeing to be on this. This is a fun little roundtable discussion that we have everybody as we know by now everybody brings their own question.
[00:03:39] We all get to answer and give our opinions on said question. And if you guys don't know already, the only correct answer is my answer. So I just want to let you know that, you know, I'm always right and you guys are always wrong joining us.
[00:03:52] And Christine, I was listening to your podcast today because I wanted to find out more about you. We have Christine McPartlin. Did I say that right? Yes. I can't, it's funny. I'm a teacher and I can't say names at all.
[00:04:06] I butcher names all the time. If your name is not Bob Smith, I'm going to say it wrong. So I'm happy that I'm pronouncing Star Wars names. Yeah, oh yeah. Forget about it. It's a running joke with the other half of this podcast.
[00:04:17] Nick just loves giving me names to say and then laughing at me as I butcher them. So Christine, welcome. Tell us about you and your podcast. I really enjoy your concept of your podcast because it takes the Star Wars podcast to a whole other level.
[00:04:32] So go ahead and tell us all about it. Thank you. I'm very excited to be here. Thank you for having me.
[00:04:37] So my podcast is called Mind the Force and we are a Star Wars retrospective that focuses on Star Wars characters and their mental health journey through their entire canon arc.
[00:04:50] So it's everything from the films to the movie, films to the books, to the TV shows, to the comic books, to video games.
[00:04:58] And we've been examining their mental health through their journey and then relate it back to our own mental health and kind of what we can learn through these different characters about ourselves.
[00:05:08] And so I half of it is me nerding out with another like Star Wars Super fan, which I'll be getting all your contact information. Of course. I'm always looking for co-hosts. Yes.
[00:05:20] And I also interview a mental health professional and get their professional assessment about what's going on with the character. And it's been a really satisfying journey. I feel like you guys probably experienced yourselves. Star Wars makes me feel so many big feelings.
[00:05:38] And I'm also a big advocate for mental health awareness and just kind of found this happy marriage between them. And it's been a really satisfying project. It's been awesome. Your show is great. I love listening to it today and just how you're taking it to that new level.
[00:05:58] I'm very happy that mental health has become such a positive thing to think about now where, you know, back when I was a kid, you know, if people didn't talk about their mental health, they just dealt with the problems internally and, you know, whatever.
[00:06:14] And now we're all able to express ourselves and the kids in school are able to express themselves better and they don't have to feel alone all the time.
[00:06:23] And this is great that you're able to tie that in with Star Wars as well because it is fun going through and like I was listening to episode five, three, four and five.
[00:06:33] You're talking all about Anakin and his evolution into Darth Vader and his mental health and what was what pushed him over the edge and all that stuff.
[00:06:43] And it's true if you really want to sit back and think about it, you can really analyze some of these Star Wars characters greatly as to how what their mental health is. So that's an awesome concept. I love it as well. Skywalker's had some family problems.
[00:06:56] Yes, they did. A little bit. A little bit. Everyone would have definitely benefited from a good therapy session. They surely would have.
[00:07:07] All right, well now that we know who we're talking to, let's find out what their opinions are on all of these wonderful questions that we brought with us this week.
[00:07:15] Just an FYI when you're finished giving your opinion if you want to just hand it off to the next person so that we know we don't step on anybody's toes. We'll try to do that. That's always fun and it's fun.
[00:07:28] I'm going to put Tom in charge of reminding people when, okay, send it to send it to Christine now or whatever. So it'll be fun, but whatever. We'll have a good time. Yeah, good luck with that. All right, so let's have some fun.
[00:07:40] My first question is all about what's happening down there in Disney World right now. It's actually a little delayed, but the Galactic Star Cruiser was a huge hit for 17 months and then they shut it down.
[00:07:54] And then it became this multimillion dollar hole in the ground, I guess, whatever you would just, I don't know. It's just sitting there letting Disney write it off as a tax write off for this year.
[00:08:07] But my question to you guys is first off, I didn't get to go on the first time around because I didn't have an extra $6000 laying around for two days of a vacation. So I did not get to go.
[00:08:20] But what do you think they could turn it into now? What could they do with it now? I am going to send it to Gabriel first. So Gabriel, go ahead and tell us what do you think they could do with this?
[00:08:33] Okay, so my idea here is deviating from, I think, kind of like the Disney theme of being family friendly. But again, this is me being CEO for a day and maybe making this attraction a little bit more affordable for the masses.
[00:08:52] But with an interesting twist, maybe a little bit more adult themed in nature. So one of my favorite seasons, holidays, whatever is October, fall, Halloween specifically.
[00:09:06] And I'm sure all around your guys' neighborhoods or towns or cities, these like themed kind of parks pop up where they're a little bit on the scarier side and you kind of experienced those. And I would, I'd like to maybe see that maybe evolve into something like that.
[00:09:24] You repurpose the building. And maybe with an interesting spin on what we kind of saw with some new kind of characters being introduced in the Ahsoka series,
[00:09:35] maybe leaning in on some of the zombies from Thrawn's army along with maybe some of those witches through maybe a more scary experience on a floating derelict maybe starship that's floating.
[00:09:54] Maybe taking in some cues from, I know we're crossing beams here maybe a little bit, but maybe Firefly or Serenity and some of that dark side and maybe even some Resident Evil to bring in kind of the scary parts. Yeah, that's awesome.
[00:10:15] Did you read any of the Star Wars books? There was this Star Wars, it was like a ghost ship like a haunted zombie Star Wars book.
[00:10:25] And that's what I was looking for when you were talking. I have it on the shelf behind me but I can't remember what the name of it is. But to me it was almost like the basis of Thrawn's zombie army in the latest Ahsoka series.
[00:10:38] But when you were talking about that it reminded me of that and made me think of that and it would be really cool. Like you said, instead of just stormtroopers if they were like zombie stormtroopers walking through the ship would be like really really cool. Yes, yes.
[00:10:50] I like the idea of adult theme because that's who has the money. And let's be honest it's going to be expensive no matter what.
[00:11:00] So you might as well spend the money on adults and not have to bring all your kids with you where really the trip becomes thousands and thousands of dollars. Yeah, I love it. I think you could lean into it and do some real funky stuff too.
[00:11:14] Not only just kind of the hey run through this scary environment but there could be all kinds of different ways of bringing that to life. Excellent.
[00:11:24] Well, Christine, I don't want you to think like you know I feel like maybe you might be thinking gosh this guy's mental stability might be with that recommendation.
[00:11:37] I think you need to copyright this before Disney and Six Flags get together and like take price class to a whole new level. I think it's a sick idea.
[00:11:47] And the more you go into the novel especially into the comic book there's a lot of dark shit going on in the film. And so I think it's a great idea. I'm not even in some of the haunted houses.
[00:11:58] I don't like things that pop out and I would still go to this. I would definitely show up. Yeah, 100%. 100% I agree. All right, it's your turn. What do you think Christine? So I can imagine a Jedi temple luxury style resort.
[00:12:18] I want everything the giant spiring towers, the limestone and the marble, the giant beautiful windows and the vaulted ceiling.
[00:12:27] You have like meditation gardens like the beautiful gardens where they would like do the lessons with the padawans and there's maybe beautiful library that's like the archives and you can either go lounge there or go read a book or maybe like pretend to like check out holocons or something like that.
[00:12:45] And then underneath the temple is the fifth shrine that the Jedi temple was built on top of.
[00:12:55] And that's like either kind of like a similar idea, like something like haunted or something creepy, or it's like a sexy nightclub and go down there and get your dark side on. There you go. I like that.
[00:13:08] That's definitely probably that one because then they can charge for the bottle service. Exactly. And I mean they've really shown with like, what is it called Disney Springs that they can make a lot of money by having things focused at adults in Disney World.
[00:13:23] Like so they know that like there's money to be made.
[00:13:26] And so and that would also be like you get people staying in the resort and going to the nightclub or you could just have people come to the nightclub and then you have like a cool kind of after dark thing going on. I love it.
[00:13:40] I'm already writing the business plan. There you go. At least give me some world. Yeah, exactly. That's a great idea would be awesome to have a Sith based nightclub under there all red and spooky and whatever. I found the book. I found it so it's called Death Troopers.
[00:14:01] And it has all zombies in and it was funny when when the Asoka zombies showed up I was like oh my god that's just like the book. It's a pretty easy read to us. A good book. It was a pretty easy read. So that's going back to Gabriel.
[00:14:13] But yes, sorry Tom go ahead you were gonna. I was gonna say I love I love that idea. And I mean you think about it we're all Star Wars nerds. You can't dress up in your cosplay and go to your local you know club or whatever bar.
[00:14:28] And I mean you'll get you'll get your your your butt kicked. So imagine a place where you can comfortably go and hang out with fellow Star Wars nerds and you know not have to worry about all that stuff.
[00:14:41] I want to wear all those bathrooms in the bathroom or Jedi road. Exactly. I keep telling my coworkers that I want to bring back capes and nobody thinks it's a good idea for me but this I could go to this nightclub I could wear my Lando Calrissian awesome.
[00:15:01] Yes, eight. And people would be like yo that's awesome anywhere else I would get you know kicked in the butt or something like that but there. I'd love to see you wear your Lando cape in the hallway tomorrow.
[00:15:15] If you've never worn many case and my bar I caught play like to wear some kind of case and you feel so powerful. Different feel you just feel so so regal so important yeah it walks in the breeze and yes. That's awesome. I love it yes.
[00:15:38] Thomas your turn. So my idea for this would be to extend galaxies edge.
[00:15:46] So the hotel is right across the street there's a there's a main entrance there I don't even know if they still use it as the entrance to Hollywood Studios but there's there's a road that separates galaxies edge the back of
[00:15:59] the bridge and and the hotel what I would do is something similar to what Universal did with the with the Hogwarts Express and have some sort of theme Disney whatever you want to call it like light speed chip that will take you across the road
[00:16:16] you don't even know you're crossing the road into the hotel and reimagine the hotel into some type of like Star Wars experience.
[00:16:25] I don't know what you would do with all the hotel rooms you could knock down walls and make separate rooms and but I would make it into an extension of galaxies edge and have it be another Star Wars experience.
[00:16:36] I mean you already have the theming and spend all that money on the theming why would you just waste all that Star Wars theming just make it part of galaxies edge so I mean you could do different floors or different planets and as you go to the
[00:16:49] different floors you're totally immersed in a different experience a different planet so that was that was my idea just why let it go to waste why let it sit there because Disney's famous for that I mean they'll just let something just sit there and they'll just
[00:17:04] you know get the tax write off and just let it go to waste why not just turn it into that extension of galaxies edge and let people enjoy it they spent the money on it might as well let people enjoy it. So what do you think Rob.
[00:17:17] I agree with you. I'm even more of a simpler man than than that I. I feel and this is more for me personally like being selfish since I didn't want to spend $5,000 on a two night experience or could afford to spend $5,000 on a two night experience.
[00:17:41] I want to stay in that hotel even if it's priced at the top level of their hotels they'd have to add a couple things to it to make it a regular hotel that doesn't come with a pool or anything like that and if you're in Florida staying in a Disney resort you definitely want to go to a pool afterwards because
[00:18:01] you know every time we've gone we've gone for seven or eight days and it's like you do park park park three four days in a row you're getting exhausted you just want to half a day or a day where you just relax for a day.
[00:18:13] So they would definitely need to add a couple things like a pool and some other more chill things around the hotel but the hotel came with a bunch of stuff like there was the lightsaber training.
[00:18:27] They had some other things that were like a room to learn how to play sabacc and stuff like that.
[00:18:34] You don't need the full cosplay experience the $5,000 hotel also included there were actors there I don't want to say 24 hours but probably 16 hours a day there was like two to four actors there immersing you in the whole experience for you the two days that you were there.
[00:18:53] So that's where you know half of the money was going to this whole feel you wouldn't need that you know maybe the front desk people have a Star Wars esk costume but they don't have to be fully immersive the way it was before.
[00:19:09] But they have the rooms already you could have a kids room or they can learn how to play sabacc or have some video games or something in there.
[00:19:17] Use the hotel like Tom was saying it's already themed that way so you don't have to buy all new sheets or anything and I would love to stay in a Star Wars themed hotel.
[00:19:27] I don't need that full experience but I want to be able to open the door and then bam there I am I'm in my own little Star Wars world.
[00:19:34] So I would I would be I'm much simpler and I'm like you have it as Tom said you spent the money just open it up for everybody just let anybody you know it's still going to be super expensive but it's not going to be $5,000 expensive.
[00:19:48] So I would just say open it up to more people keep it simple. If you want to add a nightclub or or haunted zombie chase in the background or underground that would be awesome as well but definitely keep it so that and then make it so that other people can experience it because I thought it was pretty neat.
[00:20:07] I just couldn't afford to go myself. I think just needs to pay us for ideas and I think so too. Because I think they're good ideas.
[00:20:16] Yeah, I think I think both of you guys and Tom as well had awesome ideas for that so that that's that's a great start for us we got one question down now it's Gabriel's time to ask his question. So Gabriel go ahead hit us up with your question.
[00:20:30] Okay, so we got some good news that was hot off the presses here just a couple days ago that we got some confirmations from Disney on a new movie that they're going to be working on and it's Mando and Grogu.
[00:20:46] Now with that, the question is, where do they take Grogu and and how does that character kind of evolved.
[00:20:59] And you could maybe take this question a couple different ways could be specific to the movie or if you just have like your like thoughts on where they might take this character or should take this character. I'd love to hear you guys's opinions.
[00:21:13] All right, Christine you can go first on this one. So I had a lot of thoughts about it. This is a great question Gabriel.
[00:21:26] And I think at some point, like it really it clashes with the fact that Grogu is so cute and that's like the sellable marketing factors it has a lovely baby Yoda.
[00:21:37] It clashes with the mysterious lore around Yoda, being that like yo, he's just mysterious species is not even years old and so wise and old and like so deeper than the force.
[00:21:52] And eventually you have to like tackle the fact that Grogu has to grow his grow up and eventually develop like, like he's already 40 years old. So it sounds like an infant.
[00:22:05] Then I think you'll definitely see in children of force develop like he's going to get more and more power. I think that's definitely his destiny and where the character is going.
[00:22:17] I think the biggest, I don't think they'll take it as any further than maybe they'll make him talk. Like but like a word or two he won't say a lot because I think that would kind of drag it out but I think that's the biggest thing.
[00:22:32] But maybe like a word is what we'll get. You know, I can't help but draw some parallels between like it's Marvel and group maybe like I don't know like that. And I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing.
[00:22:49] I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. And I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. And it's been broken into pieces and I think we'll see. That can be parts of what we'll be needed.
[00:23:02] Is what we'll get, you know, I can't help, but draw some parallels between likeachts Marvel and group. Maybe like, I don't know like that evolution. I don't know this can go really good or can go really bad. It's going to be cheesy.
[00:23:19] It's gonna be so much his it's really going to happen questioning. or what does it mean to be a Jedi, along with Din and Bo figuring out what is it to be a Mandalorian? Which is like the bigger existential question they'll probably be tackling.
[00:23:35] And I think they'll have Groovy doing it all at the same time with like Gurgles and E. I'm trying to eat frogs. Yeah, more frogs, frogs and cookies. Yeah. Tom, what about you? What do you think is on the chopping block?
[00:23:57] I really think they should and I'm hoping they do. I hope they get back to the stories of Din and Grogu going off on adventures by themselves. To me, those were those were the best episodes.
[00:24:12] You know, I wasn't thrilled with the last season with the whole, you know, Mandalorian thing. I feel like the show wasn't the Mandalorian. It was the Mandalorians. And I think you should save that for maybe like a spin-off or something. So I want to see more
[00:24:30] adventures with Grogu and Din Jiren. And to me, the most exciting episodes were when they were on the run from the client and his cronies trying to get Grogu. We didn't even know what we
[00:24:46] wanted him for. But those to me were the most exciting episodes. I hope they get something back to that where they're being hunted down or they have to go hunt someone down. The adventures are
[00:24:59] really unwritten. It's really whatever they come up with. The interesting thing is we have these 25, 30 years between Return of the Jedi and the Force Awakens. Well, where does Grogu end up? Yeah. Is he even alive during the Force Awakens? What happens in this stretch of time?
[00:25:21] So to me, those are my burning questions and I really don't have any answers. I'd like to see where Dave Filoni and what's the name? And yeah, John Favreau, where they see this going. So it'll be interesting to see what they come up with.
[00:25:37] Rob, what do you think? Yeah. Like I said, this is a deep, deep question because kind of like when we had Mark Anthony Austin on two shows ago, he was saying how everybody's just a grumpy
[00:25:56] Star Wars fan now because it's not what I envisioned it to be. So we don't know what Filoni and Favreau are envisioning. Unfortunately for us, whatever our opinions are, aren't going to matter. So we can either appreciate it or not appreciate it.
[00:26:14] And unfortunately, for some reason, Star Wars fans are very cynical. I'm not really sure why. But yeah. So like you said, it'll be interesting to see what their ideas are. I'm going to bounce off of what both of you guys have said so far, which is
[00:26:32] we can't go too far into the future. You know, Grogu's 40 or 50, whatever he is now, and he's still Toddler-esque. So at what point does he have a maturing cycle? Like since it's a species we don't know much about, he could go from Toddler-esque to teenager in one year
[00:26:54] and then be that way for a long time. You know, like it could be a growth spurt type of thing, which would be awfully awkward. And I think it would totally destroy the whole Grogu character
[00:27:05] because we do love his cuteness. But at the same time, is it now turning into like a buddy cop thing? Whereas Grogu, the good cute cop and then Dan is the bad cop. Like I don't want to
[00:27:16] see that either. I don't want to see this little buddy cop novel. But I do enjoy, like Tom said, the first season when it was the two of them going around. I do want to see that.
[00:27:30] I think we're going to still see a young Grogu, maybe some words, maybe more than just one or two. But if it's true Star Wars fashion, he's going to say three words at the very end of the
[00:27:45] movie. That's it. And then everybody's going to be so excited, oh, he saw his first words. But it's not going to be till the end of the movie when it actually happens.
[00:27:57] But yeah, I and also now that it's a movie, they have two hours as opposed to the series, they spread it out at six, eight hours long or, you know, 43 minutes here, 27 minutes here,
[00:28:09] whatever. But now they have to do everything in two hour time span as opposed to four, five hour long series where they can stretch it out. So I'm sure it's going to be something where they're either hunting somebody down or in the process of them hunting somebody down,
[00:28:24] somebody else is now going to be hunting them. So that way they'll have a nice tidy ending at the end of it. It will be exciting. It will be fun to see it on the big screen, to see Baby Yoda
[00:28:35] on the big screen, to see Din Jairn, whether it's Pedro Pascal in the suit or Pedro Pascal just giving the voice, which is one of the other rumors that I heard is that he's just going
[00:28:45] to be just being a voice actor at this point and the other guy's going to be in the suit. I feel at the end of the Mandalorian season three, they were really leaning into that a lot with him
[00:28:57] in his helmet and not wanting to take it off now. So I think I think that's one of the ways that they're trying to go, okay, this way we can have a stunt double the whole time because
[00:29:08] he doesn't want to take his helmet off because that that's the way it is convenient dollars. Yeah, save a little bit of cost effective that you don't need to pay for Pedro Pascal to be there.
[00:29:21] Yeah, they can give him his lines and he can do it all in two days and that's it. What are we going to say, Gabriel? He's been super hot. So like, you know, you're always trying to juggle what other projects he's working on and, you know,
[00:29:34] his availability. So this gives you, I think creates more flexibility for you to get those shoots in. Yeah, I mean, film the last of us yet, right? Yeah, they haven't filmed that, right?
[00:29:44] No, no, I didn't think so. Yeah. So I mean, he could do all his lines in one day in a bathtub and whatever trailer he's in and whatever film set he's on, you know, like they can do all that.
[00:29:55] So yeah, getting his paycheck. So, so I think that's where they're going. I really hope that they do do the din and grogu, you know, chasing, even if it's not like a lot of different things,
[00:30:13] if it's just one big mission that they're going on. And then while going on that mission, it breaks down into a bunch of little things. So I think that that's that's where I'm leaning and hoping for, I guess. And Gabriel was your question. So you must have deeper,
[00:30:28] darker feelings about this. I'm kind of all over. I've got more questions than I have. I think we all do. It's like one of those things to your point, like the constraints of a big blockbuster movie. I wonder if they lean into something that's more
[00:30:43] cinematic or something? Like, I don't know, some of the maybe something to do with the dragon on Mandalore or something, you know, something that's cinematic that's like requires the budget, the big budget to achieve in a right way. And that's what you kind of focus in on.
[00:31:04] Unfortunately, I love the series in that you get a lot more story. A lot more like it equals date or nine hours of actual like film time or whatever at the end of the day. So
[00:31:16] right, even if it's not all great, you're getting eight to 10 hours of Star Wars content. Exactly. Flushing out that world, introducing new characters, little kind of things in the background, things that they the Easter egg sort of stuff that I always appreciate.
[00:31:32] But more broadly, like the character stuff is going to be tough. They've got a tall order. They've introduced this adorable character and adolescence looks terrible. I mean, when are we going to grow him some feet? Like, like, like, when we get that, that's not
[00:31:50] going to look good. Like, no, little triangle feet are not going to look good at all. Yes. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. He's got like three toes. They were kind of nasty. Yes. Yes.
[00:32:05] You know, the other thing is, is he going to speak like Yoda? Because Yaddle doesn't. Yaddle doesn't. No. So is he going to what? What's his dialect? What is how is he going to speak?
[00:32:18] Like, that's an interesting thing. Are you going to solve? And again, too, like, what about that race? Like you don't even, like maybe they just appear when the force needs them or the balance.
[00:32:31] Yeah. Maybe they're like born of the force. Yeah. A purist form or something. I don't know. It's very, very interesting. Maybe he'll communicate telepathically. Maybe that would be cool. Yeah. Because when he was meeting with Ahsoka, they weren't talking, but
[00:32:48] she was able to, you know, read his feelings almost like you said, almost telepathically. So that would be pretty cool. Yeah. So I don't know. Subtitles the whole movie. Backwards or something. Like, the subtitles are in Arabic. Yeah.
[00:33:08] Well, all the, all the super Star Wars fans are reading it into Arabic. Oh my gosh. And the other people are like, what is going on? Yeah. That would be really funny. All right. Well, that's two questions down. That means we're halfway through our show.
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[00:33:52] All right. So we're back. Christine, why don't you hit us up with your question? So touching into the Konwarzi anime this series is Ahsoka joined forces with Maul to take down Palpatine when he asked her on Mandalore, would they have succeeded?
[00:34:16] Rob, what is your take on it? See that's a very, very tough question for me. This is super deep because as I was thinking about it, initially my initial reaction is no because Star Wars needs that big baddie that they needed that Palpatine there. So no matter
[00:34:37] how hard they tried, Palpatine would still survive. I mean he came back Palpatine's back. He came back in seven, eight and nine. So of course they wouldn't be able to take him down. But
[00:34:48] would I love to see that? Yes. 100% yes. I think it would be so awesome because I think with the technology that we have now with what we've learned from the mistakes of
[00:35:03] episodes one, two and three and being over CGI and then when the emperor was killed the first time by Luke when he picked him up and just threw him down the hole, how it wasn't very exciting looking
[00:35:21] because it was 1977 and it was hard. It was emotional. It was emotional, yes. So I think if they were to do it again with Ahsoka and with Mal, it would be totally awesome because they would now have, cinematically everything figured out between real people, between some CGI,
[00:35:44] between a lot of stuff. The lightning coming out of his fingers would be even more impressive. Ahsoka could be defending and fighting almost kind of like the Rey and Kylo fight scene in later episodes and episode I guess was nine or whatever. But with Ahsoka's abilities,
[00:36:06] Mal was, and you didn't appreciate Mal until you watched the cartoons. Once you saw him in the Force Awakens and or the Force, sorry, the Clone Wars and then in Rebels when you got to
[00:36:20] really get to know him you're like, wait he's back and he has robot legs and stuff because he got chopped in half. Once you really get to get deep down inside because in the movies I think
[00:36:31] that was he was kind of like Boba Fett where he had like three or six lines or something like that, like very minimal lines. If they would have used him better and made him really big and bad,
[00:36:44] people would love him as an awesome bad guy. So and then just his whole story arc in when he was in Rebels, he was no longer bad and he wasn't good. He was just out for vengeance
[00:36:58] at that point. So it would be fun to see what would happen if they take him down. If then he says, you know what? I'm doing another 180. I'm going back to bed. I'm going to rule the empire now.
[00:37:12] Like that would be what I would love to see like him totally like, thanks Ahsoka you helped me become the ultimate bad guy now and then maybe they fight or whatever the case would be.
[00:37:22] But yeah, I think it will be an awesome story arc. I think graphically and visually it would be amazing. So I'm down for it rewrite it let's go let's do it. So that is my answer. Tom,
[00:37:37] let's go to you where we I jumped the boat there so go ahead Tom you hit us up. That's okay. I mean my answer simple. It's a big giant no there. There's no way that you can trust
[00:37:48] mall right he's going to get her as basically help and then the minute they take down Palpatine Ahsoka is in trouble. I like she goes to sleep. Bear sleep with one eye open.
[00:38:02] Mall is going to take her out. So I mean, he's going to he's not going to waste any time turning his back on her and taking her out. Now whether he can or not, I mean that would be awesome
[00:38:15] to find out but you know Ahsoka wouldn't be would be stupid to try to team up with mall unless she had her own thing where she's going to use mall and kind of turn the tides.
[00:38:28] That would be interesting but there's no way that she could ever trust him. I'm Gabriel. What do you think? Okay, so I love the idea. It gives us some more mall involved in some more movies and cinematically and so forth. I'm kind of a maybe so here's my
[00:38:46] angle. So if I kind of lean into this idea of like light and dark and this balance and that if you bring these two together that they might offset enough of the dark side of Palpatine
[00:39:00] that maybe there's an edge. Maybe that's the edge that tilts this balance back to the light maybe and that's how you get Palpatine who dies and then maybe gets resurrected again as we play that through the other movies but yeah.
[00:39:19] Well, I like that idea that is because all the movies have been about the balance between good and evil and how they're if there's an ultimate good then there's got to be an ultimate evil there as well almost like Invincible the M Night Shyamalan movie Invincible where he
[00:39:37] was like you know I'm always hurt so I need to find the person who never gets hurt. So I can see that if now suddenly the ultimate bad and ultimate good are in the same room
[00:39:47] working against now the super ultimate bad whatever yeah that's a great that's a good concept I enjoy that. Christine go ahead and hit us up with what the actual answer is since you
[00:39:58] asked the question you know what the real answer is. So I do love that idea Gabriel the balance between the light and the dark that was a very cool way to consider it being not with my podcast
[00:40:12] I have to examine so deeply in the character motivations I guess I look more at the logistics of how it would happen so I mean first off I'm a very proud member the mall has I think malls
[00:40:29] and so I have a little mall figure in here that's like he sits with me every time I record he's my little like motivator um so if pretty much if a so-called joins mall that would and say they're
[00:40:44] able to get back to Anakin in time because I'm also I I just finished through like the end of Clone Wars and went through that emotional journey again and just one the detail is just delicious
[00:40:56] every second it's still good and so I'm thinking if they team up and they get back to Anakin in time that's gonna speak to Anakin if Ahsoka who he misses so much he misses so much when he
[00:41:10] sees her before she goes back to Mandalore his big puppy dog eyes he's just like I'm so happy to see you and I'm so happy you're back and how have you been and here's the slice neighbors and a bunch of
[00:41:21] like a bunch of clones who I want to succeed um so if she comes back and is saying hey this is going on like yes malls told me and we can't trust him too much but doesn't this all
[00:41:34] make sense with all the manipulation you've experienced over the past 13 years of your life and this old man has just groomed you um like he's very he's very kind of like direct way he really
[00:41:48] should read the real man um I feel like he's gonna believe her he's going to like take that step back because at this point in the storyline he's spiraling like he's spiraling he's having
[00:41:59] the visions about Padme dying he his mistrust in the Jedi Council is at like an all-time high because this is like close to the Obi-Wan murder conspiracy and he's just like not in a great
[00:42:14] place at all so the basically the second most important person to him because Padme and then Zasoka the second most important person in his life has come back and it's saying hey this is
[00:42:24] happening to you we have to stop this like could Maul and the Soka defeat Palpatine by themselves like it's a maybe but as soon as Anakin joins them I think they take him out
[00:42:37] I feel like that would be enough to help him out because then also at that point you're bringing the Jedi Council and like now Yoda's involved now Mace windows involved and he's not dead
[00:42:48] or or is he or is he um that should be a question on the next episode is made right exactly yeah and so I think it's definitely possible but the other factor
[00:43:02] which I'll end with is can they make it back in time because think about when Asoka captures Maul and they're on the ship they're going back to Coruscant just standing on the on the deck with
[00:43:15] with Rex talking that's when everything goes down in Palpatine's office with Mace and and the attack and everything like that so who knows if they would have made it back in time
[00:43:28] before everything that shit because I think once I think once he killed Mace like that was done he's just shell shocked he's like I've thrown my entire life away might as well go all or nothing
[00:43:43] who knows we can only speculate right we are not Dave or uh John unfortunately well that was a great question our last question of the day comes from my co-host
[00:43:57] the biggest flyers fan in the room go ahead Tom what he got for us and I haven't even checked the score once to play in the Canadians tonight so I haven't even checked the score that's how
[00:44:06] dedicated you are to this show so speaking of Dave Filoni um you are given complete creative control over Star Wars money's not an issue whatever you say goes what would your next
[00:44:24] Star Wars movie be about start with Rob such a loaded question it's a very loaded question I like those there are so many ways you can go with this uh but I I read Gabriel's answer and I'm kind of
[00:44:43] not piggybacking off of that but uh going along with a similar concept of what he's about to say so those of you listening listen up his answer is really good um I don't read the answers ahead of
[00:44:58] time yeah well I mean I had I didn't want to step on anybody's toes so I made sure that what he said and what I said were different um going and this is very similar it's a probably what we might
[00:45:09] be getting with the Mandalorian movie um I would love to know about the bounty hunters before we saw them in Empire Strikes Back so a whole bounty hunter movie there was a couple of
[00:45:24] books that I read bounty hunter series in the books there was this big rift between the bounty hunters Guild and Boba Fett and because Boba Fett was so powerful and so good he could
[00:45:38] charge astronomical prices because people knew that if they got him to do their get their bounty they were going to get their bounty so his prices were off the charts the bounty hunters Guild were
[00:45:50] not they were mad at him then he was tricked into breaking apart the bounty hunters Guild uh in the books and all this stuff but definitely something bounty hunters based before Empire
[00:46:05] Strikes Back we don't need to see the Skywalker's at all we'll know what's in the same time frame we'll see bits and pieces of things going on in the background but it'll be all based off of
[00:46:20] bounty hunters doing bad things uh when they initially came up with the what's turned into the Mandalorian series but initially they were going to do a Boba Fett movie years ago um
[00:46:35] they wanted to see how Deadpool was going to fare in the movies first because Deadpool's not a good guy he's not a bad guy he's just a mercenary just a bounty hunter so they wanted to see if people
[00:46:48] would actually go and see it and like it and then when it blew up they were like okay we could be on to something because Boba Fett's not part of the empire he was just hired by the empire
[00:46:59] he's not a good guy you know so will people go and watch a movie about a guy who's not a good guy that they can kind of root for or not um and then we got the Mandalorian series and everybody's
[00:47:11] like is this Boba Fett is that not Boba Fett you know whatever and then when we got the book of Boba Fett that wasn't what we wanted we didn't want dad Bob Boba Fett we wanted Boba Fett that was
[00:47:26] we wanted Boba Fett that was uh no uh no disintegration we wanted that Boba Fett that was so intense that Darth Vader made sure to tell him specifically don't disintegrate this person
[00:47:42] you know so I want to know about that Boba Fett it doesn't have to be Timo Morrison in the costume because we never saw his helmet off in any of the original three movies it can be
[00:47:54] somebody who's fit and fits the the costume better um but yes that's that's what I want to see is all bounty hunters all the time and it'll be amazing uh Gabriel your answer is awesome more awesome than
[00:48:13] mine go ahead no I kind of have a two-parter so I'll I'll go in with more of the the I think the easier one and then kind of maybe tackle the tougher one but um one of the one of my favorite
[00:48:26] villains is uh General Grievous I love the character it's just the the the voice just everything just crazy about him he's you know 90 uh mechanical and he's just got a little little bits of him
[00:48:39] that are actually his his human parts or you know whatever race he is um but um I'd love to like unpack that character kind of the transition and build up of his kind of um his prowess as a
[00:48:55] hunter and on his on his planet and then ultimately the disaster that kind of then translated into him being kind of parted out and turned into this this this robot I'd love to see that
[00:49:08] like the greediness of that in the the dark nature and then how he starts to align himself with certain factions and so forth I think that would be really awesome um that would be
[00:49:20] my um my other uh if I had the keys to the kingdom would be now this is again it goes back to the previous conversation of kind of grogu but this idea around Yoda and maybe kind of unpacking
[00:49:35] where he came from what his backstory is um understanding more about that character I mean we've got 900 plus years to cover so I mean he could be from a whole different outer rim just
[00:49:48] obscure not impacted by anything I don't know there's just so much there's so much uh to here to go but I also realize that that's what makes that character so like maybe doing a movie kind of
[00:50:03] destroys the whole mysteriousness of it and that like maybe that's why Lucas was very much about like we're not really going there um there's a little bit of here but that's it we're not even
[00:50:14] gonna kind of explore I'm not even gonna kind of maybe even unpack anything of that because maybe it's best left in this mysterious kind of nature so that I've mixed feelings about that
[00:50:27] last one but I agree I agree uh Christine what about you um well Gabriel you know if Star Wars wants to try to figure out how to tell uh I guess a long-form mysterious ancient figure story they
[00:50:43] call the BBC uh because doctor who has been doing it for a long time yeah yeah yeah and he's like in is over like a billion years old so my idea and I do apologize Rob for the plaque that I make
[00:51:02] it for this in your in your comment section but I would love to do flesh out the story of Reva Sazandra from the Obi-Wan series who played Third Sister um I think that
[00:51:20] it was like an amazing storyline that was just put in a show that had so much else more important going on that is just kind of a strange side story but I think it's one of
[00:51:31] the craziest stories I've ever heard of in Star Wars just an order 66 youngling survivor who is captured on the streets of Coruscant raised an inquisitorious and is so bent on revenge against Vader who she knows is Anakin because she watched him bring the younglings player 5000 and gun
[00:51:55] everybody she knows he's Anakin and she was so and she so steeped in the dark side at this point that it battles with her being raised in the light in the Jedi temple and like she's just held
[00:52:09] bent on this revenge and it's all she thinks about for what like well over 10 years to even what eight nine maybe younger when order 66 happened and then we see her in the Obi-Wan
[00:52:21] show that she's a grown woman at least 21 from two years old so she has just been like revenge blinded for so long and but she's so badass right and she's so strong and powerful and
[00:52:37] like clearly like is so strong in the force but it's probably so dark and conflicted and like doesn't really believe in what she's doing but like like somewhat believes in what she's doing like it's it's a theme that comes up a lot particularly
[00:52:53] with dark side you do you see it a lot with the empire and you see it especially with Vader it's a big thing from even actually from Anakin even into Vader that the ends justify the need
[00:53:04] is a huge theme in Star Wars and it's the same that she's like I don't care what I need to do to get this revenge including kill Luke Skywalker right right yeah in my
[00:53:16] premise he's like I don't give a damn what I have to do yeah and I just think it's such a there's such a story there to flesh out yeah I agree I think she would be awesome as well
[00:53:30] it would be any one of these characters that we don't know a lot about would be fun to learn more about I mean even when they took the Mandalorian and like Quill that you know an
[00:53:43] ugnaught that was just a background character and then suddenly we find out that they're not just pig people doing grunt work in the background that they excuse me that they you know they have
[00:53:55] hearts they have souls they have minds you know like yeah he was so uh you know they were forced to do this job for you know their lifetime and whatever and he finally you know worked long
[00:54:08] enough that he could buy his own freedom type of thing like just the fact that they're able to take these little characters and then turn them into something your character she's not even like a
[00:54:18] little character but we just didn't get enough of her you know like she's so interesting that we do want to get so much more of her so that would be a great great character to do a similar
[00:54:28] Rob to like the story arc in with Dr. Pershing from the Mandalorian like I actually enjoyed that that little kind of I guess yes I guess it was like a little side story it was a kind of a nice break
[00:54:41] from the regular story arc and it was kind of interesting to see somebody like him that they do a little story arc on yeah I just I just found it really interesting so I think you're right
[00:54:52] with the with these characters that really are kind of in the shadows you don't really know a lot about to kind of learn their stories so Tom you want to do a whole movie on Dr. Pershing
[00:55:03] this is what you're saying I do I do what is your answer so since I now have creative control of Star Wars I'm green lighting all of your movies thank you because I do want to see every
[00:55:14] single one of them but I think we do have to be careful with the Yoda one because I think you're exactly right with that last thing you said where I don't want to break the
[00:55:23] mystique of Yoda yeah I mean he's one character I really don't want to know I like not knowing and that makes sense it sounds really weird but I like not knowing
[00:55:36] yeah I agree it was a different story right go go I want to know where he came from yeah I guess it's because I grew up with Yoda and Grogu's like the new blood I Yoda I just I
[00:55:48] like that mystique I like not knowing he's this mysterious 900 year old probably the strongest force user in the galaxy I like I like knowing that I don't know anything about him yeah I agree
[00:56:01] so actually have a couple ideas that I'd run by you guys tell me if you would green light my movie nope I don't like to stray from what I know and I know episodes one through nine that's like
[00:56:15] my my lane so I know I know some of the movies are talking about they're going back to the old republic and all that other stuff and I kind of want to stay within episodes one through nine
[00:56:27] I would I would like to see Palpatine just before episode one of how he became a Sith to me that would be really interesting the only problem with that kind of movie was that
[00:56:43] read Darth Plague yes Darth Plague tells you all that yeah and but see I'm a very visual person and like I want to see the cinematic version of it and you know the problem is who do you get to play
[00:57:00] that um you know you you can't use the same guy you can't you can't use him he's he perfectly aged with the with the movies yeah now who do you get to cast him to play young palpatine
[00:57:15] yeah um so that would that to me would be an issue it might break a little bit immersion for me if they if they obviously they'd have to recast um the other idea that I would love to see and I wanted
[00:57:26] to see this um even before the sequel trilogy was even a thought when they came out with the game Jedi Academy I wanted to see where Luke's new Jedi Academy went um I want to see who the need
[00:57:41] these new Jedi are you could make a whole storyline on this new crew that he brought in and now that we have Disney plus I mean that would make a really cool Disney plus show
[00:57:52] you bring in all these young teenagers they all have their their issues with each other and they just have issues you know you know teenagers they have issues period now imagine Luke who's
[00:58:02] now got to play dad role and he's got a he's got to train this new crop of Jedi to me that would be a really fun series and it doesn't have to be serious I mean it can have its serious moments but
[00:58:12] can also be fun um I guess my last idea my third idea is very similar to your favorite character Christine which is Maul I want to know about Maul's second crime syndicate the crimson dawn
[00:58:29] after solo to me that is an untapped you know I don't know whether Disney plus series movie but I want more Maul and I know you guys somebody I think Gabriel you said I I could never have
[00:58:43] enough Maul like you he is one of the greatest Star Wars characters and and the the clone wars and rebels made him into that character it's like Rob said he was in the movie for three seconds
[00:58:56] besides the fight so I want to see what happens to that crime syndicate the crimson dawn because he was scary in solo and you could tell everyone is afraid of him and he was the real boss
[00:59:10] it wasn't uh what was the other character's name that Kira was uh working for yeah was it it was like a vaughn or something with the boss is a boss yeah um something boss Raylan
[00:59:23] boss tried and tried and boss tried and boss tried and boss um you know I he wasn't the real bad guy it was really who he was working for it was really Maul so I want to see where that went and
[00:59:36] and I'm not a solo hater I love that movie and then when I saw Maul on screen I mean I had I had chills I had I had you know goosebumps on my arm when I saw Maul in that movie how they
[00:59:48] worked him in there and it was a perfect way to work him in there and he also took over um death watch too so even you have you could have a whole trilogy of movies there going from crimson
[01:00:01] dawn into death watch and everything so yeah we could I I'm on board with you there I got a I got a three movie arc for you all about Maul I'm in take it away Tom do you think though
[01:00:14] maybe why that didn't come to like were we going that direction if solo would have been a you know a success at the at the box office is that where the story was going because at the end of solo
[01:00:29] they talked about the job the job that they had and I feel like that the job was leading into where Han is in A New Hope and how he got in trouble with Java I think the job was working
[01:00:43] for Java so I don't know if if Maul would have crossed paths with solo I think he was going to work for Java so I don't really know I don't know the direction they were going in and
[01:00:57] and that it's an interesting question that you bring up where would they have taken solo too had solo been a success yeah but it could also give you that other spin off solo could have went
[01:01:09] right and if we could have stayed with crimson dawn we could have gone left and then seen Maul leading crimson dawn at that point so right we could go in that direction uh with a different
[01:01:21] movie and not then not seen solo at all it wouldn't be like solo too it would just be crimson dawn a star wars movie you know something like that so well as I said before I think Disney
[01:01:33] needs to start paying us because I think our ideas are better than a lot of their ideas so I agree well that is all four of our questions and everybody even me I'm I'm so proud of myself
[01:01:48] had great answers this week all these answers were amazing like Tom said Floney is actually our number one subscriber he has already liked in the comments and all that stuff down below and he's putting down check marks and you know we're not going to get any
[01:02:03] credit for any of this no royalty checks no royalty checks whatsoever uh he he's he thought of it first uh so uh yeah but this is awesome so this uh two are two wonderful guests Gabriel and Christian
[01:02:16] this is your time I'm going to give Gabriel I don't know if either of you ever watch hot ones but at the end of hot ones he goes look into that camera that camera that camera go ahead
[01:02:24] to plug away everything anything you want to say about yourself give us one more plug and uh and thank you both for for being here so Gabriel you go first plug away your your art which is amazing
[01:02:36] one more time I have to say I'm bowing down to you it's it's unbelievable thank you I appreciate that um thanks this was a blast um you can see all of my work um past and and and and what I'm working
[01:02:51] on now at just gabrieldishaw.com simple as that or you could just google me um if you want to kind of stay up to date with what I'm working on what I'm doing in the studio what I'm thinking about
[01:03:04] Instagram's a great way to to to view that or get some insight into that and that's just Gabriel junk art that's my handle and then Gabriel Dasha on tiktok so I'll kick it off to you Christine.
[01:03:17] Yep Christine your turn that camera that camera that camera go ahead plug away thank you so much for having me um you can find the latest episodes of mind the force podcast at mindforce.com where you'll find the links to all our streaming platforms and social
[01:03:34] you'll find us on facebook and instagram at ask mind the force that's our handle and we just dropped episode five uh we'll be wrapping up the anakin skywalker trilogy art so tune in nice
[01:03:48] that's awesome both of you once again thank you so much um this was a lot of fun I'm really enjoying this format because it is fun meeting all all my new friends I have two new friends now
[01:04:01] I'm very excited about um and I know if I'm ever in Indianapolis or Christine I forget are you in are you in New York? I am in New York yeah okay yeah so I can come visit you in New York or I can
[01:04:13] go all the way out to Indianapolis and I have a place to crash now I'm really excited about that you can snuggle up with my dog Yoda there we go I love it that's a great name for a dog
[01:04:23] that is awesome so uh for all of us here um I'm gonna go back to the Tom Tom was supposed to come up with a good good closing for us and he's letting me down here he doesn't know this yet yeah I'll
[01:04:34] have to think of one yeah so for now may the force be with you love it